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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Shearon Harris Nuclear Power Plant Draft EIS, Public Meeting Afternoon Session Location: Apex, North Carolina Date:
Wednesday, January 30, 2008 Work Order No.:
NRC-1991 Pages 1-36 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 2
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3 DRAFT SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT 4
SHEARON HARRIS NUCLEAR POWER PLANT UNIT 1 5
PUBLIC MEETING 6
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7 Wednesday, 8
January 30, 2008 9
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10 Apex, North Carolina 11 12 The Public Meeting was held at 1:30 p.m. in the 13 New Horizons Fellowship, 820 Williams Street, Apex, 14 North Carolina, Lance Rakovan, Facilitator, presiding.
15 16 APPEARANCES:
17 SAM HERNANDEZ - NRC 18 MAURICE HEATH - NRC 19 ERIC BENNER - NRC 20 LOUISE LUND - NRC 21 MIKE KING - NRC 22 John Runkle - NCWARN 23 Paul Barth - New Hill Community Assoc.
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A-G-E-N-D-A 1
WELCOME AND OPENING REMARKS 3
2 OVERVIEW OF LICENSE RENEWAL PROCESS 6
3 PUBLIC COMMENTS 21 4
CLOSING REMARKS 31 5
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P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 1
1:30 p.m.
2 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Good afternoon, 3
everyone. My name is Lance Rakovan, and it is my 4
pleasure to serve as the facilitator for today's 5
meeting.
6 Today we are here to discuss the draft 7
environmental impact statement for the license renewal 8
of the Shearon Harris nuclear power plant Unit 1. Our 9
purpose, specifically, is to receive comments on the 10 draft supplemental environmental impact statement or 11 DSEIS, which is 33 to the generic environmental impact 12 statement for license renewal of nuclear power plants, 13 otherwise known as NUREG 1437.
14 Before we kind of kick things off I wanted 15 to take a moment to let you know what to expect from 16 this afternoon's meeting, as well as go over a few 17 ground rules.
18 We are going to start off, today, by 19 having some presentations by Sam Hernandez. Sam is an 20 environmental project manager at the NRC, or Nuclear 21 Regulatory Commission.
22 He has been with the NRC for about four 23 and a half years, working on environmental reviews, 24 specifically. He has a bachelor's in chemical 25
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engineering from the University of Puerto Rico, and a 1
master's in environmental engineering from the 2
University of Maryland.
3 Once Sam has a chance to give us a few 4
presentations, specifically on the results of the 5
environmental review, and how you can submit comments 6
we are, essentially, going to open things up to 7
questions and, of course, to receive comments from the 8
public.
9 Now, at this point, I only have one person 10 who specifically signed up to speak. But, again, we 11 are going to open things up. So if you did not find 12 one of the yellow cards when you came in, you will 13 certainly have an opportunity to ask questions or 14 speak once we open things up.
15 We are taking a transcript of today's 16 meeting, which is one of the reasons I'm using a 17 microphone, even though we probably have a small 18 enough crowd that I wouldn't have to use one.
19 So if you do plan to make a comment, or 20 ask a question, you can come up and use a mike that we 21 have in the center, or you can come up and use the 22 mike here at the podium.
23 Essentially the first time that you ask a 24 question or comment, we would like you to identify 25
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yourself and any organizations you are with. And, 1
this way, it allows us to kind of, you know, make sure 2
that we know who made a specific comment.
3 I'm going to ask that only one person 4
speaks at a time and, also, that we try to keep side 5
conversations to a minimum. And this allows us to get 6
a clean transcript and make sure that the transcriber 7
can, you know, follow the conversations and get all 8
the discussions.
9 A few other people that I wanted to point 10 out before we started, we have Louise Lund, who is the 11 branch chief of projects and license renewal at the 12 Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
13 And up here in the front we also have Eric 14 Benner, who is a branch chief for environmental 15 auditing. We also have Mike King, who is the resident 16 inspector at the Shearon Harris plant. There he is, 17 in the back. Thanks, Mike.
18 Hopefully when you came in, on the table, 19 you got a copy of the slide presentations, and there 20 is, also, a public meeting feedback form. If you 21 could take a moment to fill that out either while you 22 are here, today, or maybe once you have had a chance 23 to think about the meeting a little bit.
24 You can drop that in the mail. It is 25
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free, no postage is necessary, and that will get to 1
us. And that will help us kind of, you know, get your 2
input in terms of how we can improve these public 3
meetings.
4 If everybody could please take a moment to 5
silence your cell phones, or any other electronic 6
devices that will, hopefully, minimize the disruption 7
of them going off during the meeting.
8 Also if you don't know where the restrooms 9
are if you leave the meeting room, here, and make a 10 left just keep on going a little bit, and you will see 11 the signs for them.
12 I just wanted to say thank you to the New 13 Horizons Fellowship for letting us use this space. It 14 really does work well for our public meetings.
15 And with that I would like to thank you 16 all in advance for a productive meeting, and I want to 17 turn things over to Sam. Sam?
18 MR. HERNANDEZ: Thank you all for coming, 19 taking the time to come to this meeting. I hope that 20 the information we provide you will help you 21 understand the process we are going through, what 22 we've done so far, and the role you can play in 23 helping us make sure that the final EIS is accurate 24 and complete.
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I would like to start off by briefly going 1
over the agenda, the purposes of today's meeting.
2 Next slide. We are going to present the preliminary 3
findings of our environmental review, which assesses 4
the impacts associated with renewing the operating 5
license for Shearon Harris.
6 Then we will give you some information 7
about the schedule for the remainder of our review and 8
how you can submit comments in the future.
9 And, finally, the most important part of 10 this meeting is to receive any comments that you may 11 have. Next slide.
12 The Atomic Energy Act gives the Nuclear 13 Regulatory Commission the authority to issue operating 14 licenses to commercial nuclear power plants for a 15 period of up to 40 years.
16 For Shearon Harris that license will 17 expire on 2026. Our regulations make provisions for 18 extending plant operation for an additional 20 years.
19 In a letter dated November 14, 2006, 20 Carolina Power & Light Company, the owner of Shearon 21 Harris, requested that the operating license be 22 renewed for an additional 20 years.
23 As part of the NRC's review of that 24 license renewal application we performed an 25
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environmental review to look at the impacts of an 1
additional 20 years of operation on the environment.
2 We held a meeting here in April 18, 2007, 3
to seek your input regarding the issues we needed to 4
evaluate. Now we are here to present the preliminary 5
results in the draft supplemental environmental impact 6
statement. And, afterwards, we will open the floor up 7
for comments. Next slide.
8 This slide illustrates the environmental 9
review process. This review evaluates the impacts of 10 license renewal. It involves scoping activities, and 11 the development of a document called a supplemental 12 environmental impact statement, or an EIS.
13 The draft supplemental EIS provides the 14 staff a preliminary assessment of the environmental 15 impacts that are in the period of extended operation.
16 The draft supplemental EIS for Shearon 17 Harris was published for public comment in December of 18 2007. Next slide.
19 Next I would like to give some information 20 on the statute that governs the environmental review.
21 And that statute is the National Environmental Policy 22 Act of 1969, commonly referred to as NEPA.
23 NEPA requires that all federal agencies 24 follow a systematic approach in evaluating potential 25
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environmental impacts associated with certain actions.
1 We, at the NRC, are required to consider 2
the impacts of the proposed action which, in this 3
case, is license renewal. We are also required to 4
consider alternatives to the proposed action.
5 The NRC has determined that an EIS will be 6
prepared for any proposed license renewal of a nuclear 7
plant. NEPA, and our EIS, are disclosure tools. They 8
are specifically structured to both offer 9
participation and obtain public comments.
10 This meeting facilitates the public 11 participation in our environmental review. In the 12 1990s the NRC staff developed a generic EIS that 13 addresses a number of issues common to all nuclear 14 power plants.
15 As a result of that analysis the NRC was 16 able to determine that a number of environmental 17 issues were common to, or similar, for all nuclear 18 power plants.
19 The staff is supplementing that generic 20 EIS with a site specific EIS that addresses issues 21 specific to Shearon Harris. Together the generic EIS 22 and the supplemental EIS form the staff's analysis of 23 the environmental impacts of license renewal for the 24 Shearon Harris site.
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looks for and evaluates any new and significant 2
information that might call into question the 3
conclusions we reached, previously, in the generic 4
EIS.
5 In addition the staff searches for new 6
issues not already addressed in the generic EIS. Next 7
slide.
8 This is our decision standard for the 9
environmental review. And, simply put, is license 10 renewal acceptable from an environmental standpoint?
11 Next slide.
12 Now, we use the information we receive in 13 the environmental report that was submitted as part of 14 CP&Ls license renewal application. We also conducted 15 an audit, in June of last year, where we toured the 16 facility, we observed plant systems, and evaluated 17 interaction of the plant operations with the 18 environment.
19 We talked to plant personnel and reviewed 20 specific documentation. We also spoke to federal, 21 state, and local officials. Also we considered the 22 comments received during the public scoping period.
23 All of this information forms the basis of 24 our preliminary conclusions presented in the draft 25
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1 This slide shows the team expertise that 2
we had for the review of the Shearon Harris 3
environmental review. Next slide.
4 In the mid-1990s the NRC evaluated the 5
impacts of all operating nuclear power plants across 6
the US. The NRC looked at 92 separate impact areas 7
and found that for 69 of those areas, the impacts were 8
the same for all plants with similar features.
9 The NRC called these category 1 issues, 10 and we were able to make generic conclusions that all 11 of the impacts on the environment will be small. The 12 NRC was unable to make similar determinations for the 13 remaining 23 issues.
14 And, as a consequence, the NRC decided 15 that we would prepare a supplemental EIS for each 16 plant to address the remaining 23 issues. This slide 17 lists some of the major impact areas addressed for 18 Shearon Harris. Next slide.
19 This slide outlines how impacts are 20 quantified. In the generic EIS, I'm sorry, the 21 generic EIS defines three impact levels, small, 22 moderate, and large.
23 And I'm going to use a fishery in the 24 Harris reservoir to illustrate how we use these three 25
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cause a loss of fish at the intake structure.
2 If the loss of fish is so small that it 3
cannot be detected in relation to the total population 4
in the Harris reservoir, then the impact would be 5
small.
6 If losses cause the fish population to 7
decline, but then stabilize at a lower level, the 8
impact would be moderate. If losses at the intake 9
cause fish population to decline to the point where it 10 cannot be stabilized, or continually declines, then 11 the impact would be large. Next slide.
12 The first set of issues I'm going to talk 13 about relate to the cooling system. All cooling 14 system impacts applicable to Shearon Harris are 15 category 1 issues.
16 This means the NRC has made a generic 17 determination that the impacts from normal nuclear 18 plant operations, during the period of extended 19 operation, are small.
20 Since releases from the plant are not 21 expected to increase in a year to year basis, during 22 the period of extended operation, and since we also 23 found no new and significant information related to 24 this issue, we have preliminarily adopted the generic 25
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1 Radiological impacts are a category 1 2
issue. This means that the NRC has made a generic 3
determination that the impact of radiological 4
releases, from normal nuclear power plant operations, 5
during the period of extended operation, is small.
6 By design the operation of nuclear power 7
plants is expected to result in small releases of 8
radiological effluents.
Shearon Harris is no 9
exception.
10 During our site audit we looked at 11 selected parts of the radioactive effluents release 12 and radiological environmental monitoring programs, 13 and supporting documentation. We looked at how the 14 gaseous and liquid effluents are controlled, treated, 15 monitored, and released, as well as how solid 16 radioactive wastes are handled, packaged, and shipped.
17 We looked at how the applicant radiation 18 protection program maintains radiological releases in 19 compliance with the regulations for radioactive 20 effluents.
21 We also looked at the applicant's data 22 from on-site, and near site environmental radiological 23 monitoring station, station locations, for urban 24 releases, and direct radiation, as well as monitoring 25
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fish, and products are sampled.
2 Based on our review of the data we found 3
that the calculated dose to the maximally exposed 4
member of the public to be well within the NRC's 5
radiation protection limit.
6 The dose of the maximally exposed person 7
is a conservative calculation which assumes maximum 8
values associated with an individual who is exposed, 9
from all radiation sources, from the plant.
10 Since releases from the plant are not 11 expected to increase on a year to year basis, during 12 the period of extended operation, and since we also 13 found no new and significant information related to 14 this issue, we have preliminarily adopted the generic 15 conclusion that the radiological impact on human 16 health, and the environment, is small. Next slide.
17 There are no aquatic species federally 18 listed as endangered, as threatened or endangered, 19 that have the potential to occur in the vicinity of 20 the Shearon Harris plant, or its transmission lines.
21 However, there are two terrestrial species 22 identified as historically occurring on or near the 23 Harris site, or its associated transmission lines.
24 The NRC staff contacted the U.S. Fish and 25
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National Heritage Program. Both entities indicated 2
that the proposed project would not adversely affect 3
any federally listed endangered or threatened species.
4 The staff's preliminary determination is 5
that the impacts during the period of extended 6
operation of Shearon Harris and its associated 7
transmission lines on threatened or endangered species 8
would be small. Next slide.
9 Postulated accidents. There are two 10 classes of accidents evaluated in the generic EIS, 11 design basis accidents, and severe accidents. Design 12 basis accidents are those accidents that the plant is 13 designed to withstand without risk to the public.
14 The ability of the plant to withstand 15 these accidents has to be demonstrated before the 16 plant is granted the license. Because the licensee 17 has demonstrated acceptable plant performance for the 18 design basis accidents, through the life of the plant, 19 the Commission found, in the generic EIS, that the 20 environmental impacts of design basis accidents is 21 small for all plants.
22 The second category of accidents is severe 23 accidents. Severe accidents are, by definition, more 24 severe than design basis accidents, because they would 25
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1 The Commission found, in the generic EIS, 2
that the risk of a severe accident is small for all 3
plants. Nevertheless the Commission determined that 4
alternatives to mitigate severe accidents must be 5
considered for all plants that have not done so.
6 These are called severe accident 7
mitigation alternatives, or SAMAs.
The SAMA 8
evaluation is a category 2 issue and thus requires a 9
site-specific analysis. The purpose of the SAMA 10 evaluation is to ensure that plant changes, with the 11 potential for changing severe accident safety 12 performance are identified and evaluated. Next slide.
13 The scope of potential plant improvements 14 considered included hardware modifications, procedural 15 changes, training program improvement and, basically, 16 a full spectrum of potential changes.
17 The scope includes SAMAs that would 18 prevent core damage, as well as SAMAs that would 19 improve containment performance if a core damage event 20 occurs.
21 The preliminary results of the Shearon 22 Harris SAMA evaluation are summarized on this slide.
23 Twenty-two potential SAMA candidate improvements were 24 identified for Shearon Harris. That number was 25
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1 Then a more detailed assessment of the 2
risk reduction potential and implementation costs were 3
performed for each of the 20 SAMAs. Three SAMAs were 4
identified as potentially cost beneficial.
5 None of the potential cost beneficial 6
SAMAs, however, are related to the managing of effects 7
of plant aging during the period of extended 8
operation.
9 Accordingly they are not required to be 10 implemented as part of license renewal. Regardless, 11 CP&L has indicated, in their ER, that they will 12 further evaluate the three potentially cost beneficial 13 SAMAs for possible implementation at Harris. Next 14 slide.
15 Cumulative impacts are the impacts of the 16 proposed action, in this case, license renewal; taken 17 together with other past, present, or reasonably 18 foreseeable future actions, regardless of what agency 19 or person undertakes those actions.
20 The NRC staff has identified reasonably 21 foreseeable actions occurring in the future, that are 22 considered in this review for its cumulative impacts 23 on the environment.
24 Among the identified
- actions, a
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application to build two new nuclear units at the 2
Harris site.
3 This type of application is a combined 4
license. Another significant action involves the 5
construction of a new waste water treatment plant.
6 Letters of intent to submit a combined 7
license application were sent to the NRC by Progress 8
Energy, on February 1st, 2006, and May 31st, 2007.
9 The letters state that a combined license application 10 for the Harris site could be submitted to the NRC 11 during the first quarter of 2008.
12 Submitting the combined license 13 application does not commit Progress Energy to build 14 new nuclear units and does not constitute approval of 15 the proposal by the NRC.
16 If such application is submitted to, and 17 accepted by, the NRC it will be evaluated on its 18 merits. And, after considering and evaluating the 19 environmental and safety implications of the proposal, 20 the NRC will decide whether to approve or deny a 21 license.
22 Should Progress Energy submit the 23 application, receive approval by the NRC, and decide 24 to construct one or two new nuclear power plants, at 25
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could range from small to large in the immediate 2
vicinity of the Harris site.
3 The specific cumulative impacts of the 4
combined license action will depend on the actual 5
design, characteristics, and construction practices 6
that could be proposed by the applicant.
7 Such details are not available at this 8
time. But if such application is submitted to the 9
NRC, and accepted, the detailed environmental impacts 10 of the combined license action, at the Harris site, 11 would be analyzed and addressed in a separate 12 environmental impact statement that would be prepared 13 by the NRC staff. Next slide.
14 As part of the environmental review 15 process we also evaluated a number of alternatives to 16 license renewal. Specifically we looked at the 17 impacts of replacing Shearon Harris'
- power, 18 approximately 900 megawatts, with power from other 19 sources, or by utility conservation.
20 Alternatives that the team looked at 21 included a no-action alternative; that is not renewing 22 the license. We also looked at replacing Shearon 23 Harris generation with generation from new power 24 plants, either coal, natural gas, or new nuclear.
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capabilities of providing replacement power with 2
purchased power. We looked at other technologies, 3
such as wood, wind, and solar power.
4 Also we looked at a combination of 5
alternatives, including conservation, to replace the 6
capacity generated by Shearon Harris. For each 7
alternative we looked at the same type of issues that 8
we did when we were evaluating the environmental 9
impacts of license renewal.
10 The NRC's preliminary conclusion is that 11 the environmental impacts of likely power-generation 12 alternatives could reach moderate to large 13 significance, in at least some of the categories 14 evaluated.
15 The NRC staff also concluded that 16 conservation, as well as the no-action alternative, 17 would have small impacts on all areas evaluated. Next 18 slide.
19 During the environmental review we found 20 no information that was both new and significant.
21 Therefore we have, preliminarily, adopted the generic 22 EIS conclusions that the impact associated with the 69 23 issues will continue to be small.
24 In the Shearon Harris supplemental EIS we 25
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applicable to Shearon Harris and determined that the 2
environmental impact resulting from these issues was 3
also small in all issues.
4 During our analysis we found that the 5
environmental impacts of alternative, in at least some 6
impact areas, would reach moderate to large levels of 7
significance, with the exception of the conservation 8
and the no-action alternative, which would have small 9
impacts on all areas.
10 Based on these conclusions the NRC's 11 preliminary recommendation is that the environmental 12 impacts of license renewal are not so great that 13 license renewal would be unreasonable. Next slide.
14 Listed here are some important dates for 15 the Shearon Harris environmental review. In December 16 of 2007 we issued the supplemental EIS and we are 17 currently accepting public comments, on the draft, 18 until March 5th.
19 The final supplemental EIS is scheduled to 20 be published by August of this year. Next slide.
21 This slide identifies me as your primary 22 point of contact, with the NRC, for the environmental 23 review. Mr. Maurice Heath is the contact for any 24 questions related to the safety review, which is 25
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1 Documents related to the Shearon Harris 2
review may be found at the West Regional library or at 3
the Eva H. Perry library. At the bottom of this slide 4
is the internet address where you can directly access 5
the Shearon Harris supplemental EIS. Next slide.
6 There are several ways you can provide 7
your comments on the Shearon Harris draft 8
environmental impact statement. You can provide your 9
comments, today, during the comment period. If, 10 perhaps, you are not ready to provide your comment 11 today you can send your comment, via email, to the 12 following address: ShearonHarrisEIS@nrc.gov.
13 You can also send your comments via U.S.
14 mail, or you can hand deliver them to us at our 15 headquarters in Maryland.
16 And with that my presentation is 17 concluded.
18 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: We will go ahead and 19 transition, and open the meeting up to comments at 20 this point. As I said, when the meeting started, I 21 only had one person signed up to speak, so we might as 22 well go ahead and offer that gentleman the opportunity 23 to do so.
24 After he has spoken then we will go ahead 25
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comments or questions.
2 The gentleman who signed up to speak is 3
John Runkle of NCWARN. Do you want to come up and 4
take the podium?
5 MR. RUNKLE: I appreciate the opportunity 6
to speak here and give some comments on the draft EIS.
7 I was kind of surprised how poorly advertised this 8
meeting was, and that I'm not surprised that there 9
aren't a lot of people here that actually have read 10 the draft environmental impact statement and offer 11 comments on it.
12 It seems to be something that people have 13 understood this
- process, and understood the 14 limitations of it, and it is a done deal, and there is 15 really no question about it.
16 I have a document that I would like to put 17 into the record. It is the Office of Inspector 18 General's Special Inquiry Report that came out last 19 week, looking at the HEMYC fire barriers.
20 And it is relevant to both the 21 environmental side and the safety side. It is, most 22 of you here have probably seen it. It says that for 23 at least 15 years that the NRC and the various nuclear 24 utilities have known that the HEMYC fire barriers are 25
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1 And that six out of the 15 that are of 2
special concern are Progress Energy's and Duke 3
Power's. And that this is something that we raised in 4
the issue of challenging on the safety permit.
5 And I think there is, it continues to be 6
of major concern, and I think you ought to address 7
that, is looking at the different access, and the 8
various SAMAs.
9 This is something that, fire safety is a 10 problem, it is one of the greatest risks to safe 11 shutdown of a nuclear power plant, and you are all not 12 doing anything about it. So we can put that in the 13 record.
14 And looking at the various accidents, and 15 SAMAs, one thing in the design basis accidents that 16 hasn't been addressed is the aircraft threats. I 17 understand that the NRC is going through the process 18 of looking at that again, and coming up with some 19 rules.
20 But certainly you can't say that that 21 issue hasn't been known to both Progress Energy and 22 the NRC for 20 years. And that looking at it there is 23 no plan in the next 20 years to correct that problem, 24 there is no plan to correct the fire problem.
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you can say from the year 2026 to 2046, that there 2
won't be any additional potential for accidents. We 3
know that there is going to be an accident somewhere 4
in this country, from the fire protection, and we are 5
pretty sure that with the way that the world is these 6
days, that there will be an aircraft threat.
7 And neither the safety report, or the 8
environmental impact statement, I think squarely 9
addresses those kinds of impacts. And to say that we 10 are not looking at them because they are in the 11 generic environmental impact statement, we know that 12 the aircraft threats are not part of the generic 13 environmental impact statement.
14 And we know that the fire threats are not 15 in the generic EIS, because they haven't been 16 corrected. There is no resolution of those at this 17 point.
18 Now, having said that, I wanted to talk 19 to, specifically, I mean I'm going to take my time 20 here, since I don't think that we are in that much of 21 a hurry.
22 Looking at the draft environmental impact 23 statement, there are really two fatal flaws to it.
24 One is that it is complete with these fairly bald 25
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or not be any impacts.
2 But there is no supporting documentation 3
for a lot of those statements. There are a couple of 4
references back to the environmental assessment that 5
Progress Energy put in, but there is very little 6
things to back out the statement that, you know, that 7
there is not going to be an impact on different kinds 8
of environmental thing.
9 Looking at this time period, from 2026 to 10 2046, the population of this area is going to increase 11 dramatically. You know, the population within the ten 12 mile emergency planning zone is 12 to 15,000 now, it 13 easily could go up to 100,000.
14 Certainly with the extension of the outer 15 beltway around Raleigh, the 540 coming to the 16 southwest Wake County, if anything there is going to 17 be more and more people moving into this.
18 So there will be a considerable more 19 impact from anything that happens at the power plant.
20 With the increasing population, increasing aging 21 population, we cannot say that the impacts from the 22 source term, or the likely accidents, is not going to 23 impact people.
24 The design person, as I understand it, is 25
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an elderly person, or even a young person, or somebody 2
that has chronic illnesses.
3 So to be able to make the assertion, 4
without any kind of documentation, of these changing 5
circumstances, that are going to happen in this area 6
from 2026 to 2046, I think is a fatal flaw.
7 We know what some of those impacts are 8
going to be. This year there has been severe drought 9
in this area, water use has been severely restricted.
10 Looking at Harris Lake as an example, it certainly is 11 at the margin of how much water can be used.
12 Luckily there was a shutdown during the 13 summer, for other reasons. And if it hadn't been 14 shutdown, levels could have been at an extreme 15 criticality at the plant.
16 And we are looking from 2026 to 2046. The 17 draft environmental impact statement does not address, 18 at all, any changes of climate, climate change. It 19 does not look at whether those droughts are going to 20 be more severe, whether the weather patterns are going 21 to change; whether there will be any differences in 22 the environment.
23 I think that is reasonably foreseeable, of 24 water use in that time period. By 2046, and if we are 25
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operating license for this plant, from 2026 to 2046, 2
you have to address those foreseeable changes. And 3
you are going to have to address climate change in it.
4 And you have to be able to document that, 5
in the environmental impact statement. And the 6
changes with the increasing population will have a 7
complete change in land use.
8 And this is not addressed. To be able to 9
say that to look at impacts, cumulative impacts and 10 say, well we don't expect that there would be any 11 difference in plant operation, but knowing that 12 surrounding the plant will be considerably more people 13 that we are using the land different, and more aged 14 population, a lot more traffic potentially, a whole 15 lot of different kinds of things.
16 So that is, I think, a fatal flaw. So the 17 two fatal flaws are, you know, these sort of bald 18 assertions without the supporting documentation, and 19 not taking a realistic look at the area around the 20 plant, from the 2026 to 2046.
21 This is specially galling, because when we 22 raised issues on the safety side of these proceedings, 23 we could only look at differences in the plant from 24 2026 to 2046. Yet in the environmental impact 25
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1 And to say that, I mean, the basic 2
assumption is that there won't be any change in land 3
use, and population, and water use in this plant, 4
water use in this area from the time period.
5 Now, looking at the alternatives, just 6
very quickly, I think that the analysis is extremely 7
limited in looking at the conservation side, to only 8
look at utility sponsored conservation.
9 And that was probably the easiest for you 10 all to look at because several studies conducted in 11 the last year, part of the General Assembly, or the 12 North Carolina Utilities Commission, looked at a 13 substantial reduction of energy use in this area, and 14 our Senate Bill 3
from the session mandated 15 reductions, mandated the change of different 16 alternative sources of energy.
17 But to only limit the review to utility 18 sponsored conservation ignores the real potential for 19 conservation that people will do. I mean, looking at 20 what builders are doing, and they are bringing house 21 movements, looking at the changes in office spaces, in 22 schools, and commercial and institutional buildings, 23 there is a real potential for conservation that will 24 not be utility sponsored.
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is an alternative to extending the nuclear power 2
plant, is just utility sponsored, I think is something 3
that needs to be corrected when you issue the final 4
environmental impact statement.
5 Lastly I always look at these kinds of 6
things to look for tritium. Tritium is a major, I 7
think, radioactive pollutant that comes out of a 8
nuclear power plant, part of the source term.
9 But it certainly is -- that cycle needs to 10 be, I think, specifically looked at, and analyzed, at 11 the nuclear power plant; how much tritium is getting 12 into the Harris Lake, into the groundwater, into the 13 atmosphere, and what are those impacts on the 14 environment, including the human environment.
15 And, again, that goes back to if we are 16 looking at the time period from 2026 to 2046, we have 17 to look at the potential increase in the number of 18 people, in the area, and what will be the effect of 19 tritium.
20 I'm just using that for an example, but 21 looking through this to follow-up, you know, any kind 22 of these pathways of radioactivity to people.
23 So, in conclusion, there are fatal flaws 24 in the draft environmental impact statement that the 25
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whether to grant this license extension or not, based 2
on what this is worth.
3 This is -- I don't even think it is a fair 4
start. So there is a lot of work to be done, and I 5
see that there is a deadline for some time that you 6
are going to issue a final environmental impact 7
statement.
8 The studies that need to be done, to get a 9
realistic look, I don't think you all can finish in 10 that time. And if you issue something just because 11 you have a deadline, that it is still flawed and is 12 still insufficient, that is even less of a reason why 13 to rely on it.
14 So, thank you, I would be glad to answer 15 questions or talk to anybody further about it. Thank 16 you.
17 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thank you, sir.
18 MR. RUNKLE: Actually, I don't know if I 19 introduced myself when I got up there.
20 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: I introduced you, 21 but go ahead.
22 MR. RUNKLE: John Runkle, attorney for the 23 North Carolina Waste Awareness and Reduction Network.
24 Thank you.
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did give your document directly to the transcriber.
2 So that will be included in the transcription for the 3
meeting.
4 Given that that was the only person who 5
had signed up to speak, I will go ahead and open the 6
floor now, if there is anyone else who has a question, 7
or comments that they would like to make?
8 (No response.)
9 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Seeing that it is 10 quiet -- Eric, would you like to do a summary? Why 11 don't you come on up to the podium, please.
12 Why don't you introduce yourself, please?
13 MR. BENNER: I'm Eric Benner, I'm plants 14 chief that oversees the environmental review for 15 license renewal. And we do appreciate the one comment 16 we received.
17 We probably will get more in the comment 18 period. One thing I want to clarify, because the 19 comment kind of struck a chord with me, when you say 20 that there are something like fatal flaws.
21 I want to point out that the purpose of 22 the environmental impact statement is to look at the 23 environmental impacts associated with relicensing the 24 facility.
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the impacts of the plant operating for an additional 2
20 years. So when you look at things like off-site 3
land use, or housing, or what not, really what we are 4
looking at is, are there going to be, specifically in 5
those areas what we look at is, is the plant going to 6
have to hire any additional people to operate for an 7
additional 20 years, such that those additional people 8
moving into the area would impact things like housing 9
developments and public transportation.
10 So I just want to make it clear that the 11 purpose of the EIS isn't to look at all of the 12 environmental impacts that are going to occur over 13 that 20 year period; it is to look at the 14 environmental impacts associated with operation of the 15 plant.
16 That was, really, the only clarifying 17 statement I wanted to make. So with that, certainly, 18 we are open to comments. If anyone here has questions 19 they want to ask of any of us, of the staff, we are 20 going to be hanging around here, and will be here in 21 the evening, also.
22 And any of us are available, if you come 23 up with a thought, or a question, or a comment, even 24 after this meeting, we are here to serve. So we would 25
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1 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Yes, sir. Do you 2
want to come up to the podium, or use the mike? You 3
need to use the microphone so we can get you in the 4
transcript, please.
5 MR. BARTH: There was a kind of mention, 6
earlier on in the presentation, something to do with 7
the sewage plant, and I really wasn't sure what that 8
meant as far as the impact it has on the license 9
renewal?
10 Or is that in conjunction with cumulative 11 impacts, if you add more reactors?
12 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Sam, do you want to 13 take that one?
14 MR. HERNANDEZ: Yes. That is included in 15 the spectrum of things that were considered for 16 cumulative impacts. So, yes, it was included for 17 cumulative impacts.
18 MR. BARTH: So you are looking at the 19 proposed sewage plant as it would affect the 20 community, and also as it applies to the license 21 renewal?
22 MR. HERNANDEZ: How that, in conjunction 23 with license renewal, would affect the resources, like 24 water quality on Harris Reservoir.
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this document?
2 MR. HERNANDEZ: Yes.
3 MR. BARTH: Okay, thank you.
4 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Any other questions 5
or comments?
6 (No response.)
7 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Sam, do you want to 8
take a moment to close out the meeting?
9 MR. HERNANDEZ: I would like to thank 10 everyone for coming in. And if you have any comment, 11 anything that you think we missed in the document, or 12 anything that you think we could do to improve it, we 13 would be really happy to accept that.
14 That is, really, the purpose of why we are 15 here meeting with the public.
16 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Sam, how can people 17 see the transcript? Are we going to post that on 18 line, or --
19 MR. HERNANDEZ: Yes, we will make a 20 meeting summary of this meeting, and in that it will 21 include the transcripts. And if you want to receive a 22 copy of that, if you registered when you came in, and 23 you gave your address, we will make sure that you get 24 a copy of that.
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when you registered, we will also make sure that you 2
get a copy of the final EIS.
3 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thanks, Sam.
4 MR. HERNANDEZ: Yes, I'm sorry. And any 5
comment that you submit we will respond to that 6
comment, either make a change on our draft EIS, or 7
disposition of the comment. And that will be done on 8
the final EIS.
9 FACILITATOR RAKOVAN: Thanks, Sam. And as 10 has been said, we are going to have plenty of NRC 11 people hanging out now, and if you have any questions.
12 Also we have another meeting tonight, so if you want 13 to come and see if we get a better turnout, and what 14 those particular people have to say, or questions that 15 they ask of course you are more than welcome to come 16 back.
17 So with that, I guess we will close the 18 meeting.
19 (Whereupon, at 2:20 p.m., the above-20 entitled meeting was concluded.)
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