ML20198R128
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| Issue date: | 03/04/1997 |
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t 4 OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS 5 INTERVIEW 6 -----------------------------x 7 IN THE MATTER OP:
8 2NTERVIEW OF : Docket No.
. 9 THOMAS MAIANOWSKI : (not assigned) 10 .
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) 14 Point Beach Nuclear Plant 15 N 6612 Nuclear Road, Hwy. 42 16 Two Rivers, Wisconsin 17 18 -
19 The above-entitled interview was conducted at 20 2:00 p.m.
21 BEFORE:
22 RICHARD L. DE VITTO Special Agent 23 24 25 9711130162 971112 NEAL R. GROSS E)MBIT /3 PDR ADOCK 05000266 COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS O PD 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 3 MR. TONY MC MURTRAY, 1
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7 MR. JOHN H. O'NEILL, JR. ,
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j 3 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Good afternoon.
4 For the record this is an interview of Thomas 5 G. Malanowski who is currently employed by Wisconsin 6 Electric, currently at the Point Beach nuclear plant, *fwo
^/ Rivers, Wisconsin. He is employed as a senior project 8 engineer.
9 The location of the interview is at the Site 10 Boundary Center at the Point Beach nuclear plant, Two -
, 11 Rivera, Wisconsin.
12 PrNsent at this interview and representing the 13 U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission is special agent C 14 Richard L. DeVitto of the Office of Investigation, Chicago
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15 field office, and Point Beach NRC senior resident 16 inspectar, Tony McMurtray. Representing Wisconsin 17 Electric is John H. O'Neill of the law firm of Shaw 18 Pittman Potts & Trowbridge out of Washington, D.C. As $
19 agreed this interview is being electronically recorded by 20 Ron LeGrand, Sr. of LeGrand Services and will later be 21 transcribed.
22 The subject unatter of the interview concerns 23 Wisconsin Electric's February 20th,1997 written request
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4 (Witness sworn.)
1 5 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Please be seated. Mr.
! 6 O'Neill, would you please state the nature of your 7 representation here today?
8 MR. O'NEILL: I represent Mr. Malanowski and I 9 also represent Wisconsin Electric Power Company. .
10 MR. DE VITTO; Mr. Malanowski, realizing that .
11 Mr. O'Neill represents the plant and you,'are you ?
12 comfortable with his representation and presence here 13 today?
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MR. MALANOWSKI: I am.
15 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Would you please state 16 and spell your name for the record?
17 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: My name is Thomas G.
18 Malanowski. Thomas is spelled T-h-o-m-a-s, Malanowski, M-19 a-1-a-n-o-w-s-k-i.
20 THOMAS MAIANOWSKI, 21 was called as a witness herein, having been first duly 22 sworn, -was examined and testified as follows:
23 EXAMINATION 24 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Okay. What is your 25 date of birth?
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7 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Could you give us your 8 home address, please, for the record? I 9 ,, MR. MAIANOWSKI: My home address is 10 -
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12 r.imber you could be reached at? ..
13 HR. MAIANOWSKI: My home phone number is area 14 code 15 INV5STIGATOR DEVITTO: For the record what 16 type of formal education or professional training do you 17 have?
18 MR. MAIANOWSKI: Formal education, I have a 19 bachelor's of science degree in nuclear engineering from 20 Purdue University. I'm also trained through the Navy's
.21 nuclear power program. And 12 years experience here at 22 Wisconsin Electric.
23 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Your current position 24 with Wisconsin Electric?
25 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: My current position is senior l NEAL R. GROSS
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2 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: 20 th t a c rporOto 3 based position?
4 MR. MAIANOWSKI: That is a corporate based 5 position in Milwaukee.
6 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: How long have you been 7 with Wisconsin Electric?
8 I've been with Wisconsin MR. MA1ANOWSKI:
9 Electric about 12 yearer.
10 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Did you start in that .
Il licensing position with Wisconsin Electric? '
12 MR. MAIANOWSKI I had my start as a senior 13 engineer in licensing.
C,* 14 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Can you please explain 15 for the record what are some of your duties as a licensing 16 individual?
. 17 MR. MAIANOWSKI: My duties in licensing will 18 include review and/or drafting of correspondence to the -
19 NRC, review of inspection reports, formulation of 20 responses. It also includes preparation and submittal '
21 with input from plant staff for license amendments or 22 other license related duties.
23 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Now, Au this type of 24 training generally picked up on the job or is there some 25 special type of training that's required to obtain these 44EAL R. GROSS c0URT REPORTERS AND TMNSCRIBERS 3323 RHoDE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: Thio 10 n:rmally cn tha, job C! 3 training.
4 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Who do you report to in
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6 MR. MAIANOWSKI: . I-report to Doug Johnson, 7 manager of regulatory and licensing.
8 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Let me call your 9 attention to an exhibit that we have marked as Exhibit A.
10 Basicelly this is a February 20th, 1997 notice of 11 enforcement discretion. Would please examine that?
12 MR. MALANOWSKI: Okay.
, 13 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Rave you seen that 14 document before?
15 MR.'MALANOWSKI: Yes, I have.
16 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Can you tell me how 17 you've seen it, in the course of your duties or what?
18 MR. MAIANOWSKI: I the course of my duties I 19 saw this document. That would have been Friday morning, l 20 the 21st.
21 . INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Of February?
22 MR. MALANOWSKI: Of February.
l 23 ' INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: That's the first time 24 you'd seen the document?
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'1 4 MR. MMANOWSKI I prepared an initial dr. aft I
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6 2NVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Do you recall when you 7 started on that draft?
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MR. MMANOWSKI: I prepared that draft 9 Nednesday evening, which would have been the 19th of 10 Februsty.
11 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Did you have any input 12 on that document? Did anybody assist you in the '
13 preparation of that document?
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14 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: This document was based on -
15 the notes and conversations we had with the NRC on 16 Wednesday, the 19th.
17 INVESTIGA'!VR DEVITTO: And that was a le telephone diecussion you had on the 19th? .:
19 MR. MALANOWSKI: Right, that was a telephone
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20 discussion between our staff and the NRC staff.
21 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Do you recall who was 22 present at this tele-conference from Wisconsin Electric?
23 MR. 9hdANOWSKI _ I participated from i 24 Milwaukee. My recollection is that Mr. Cayla did the 25 majority of the talking. There were others in the room.
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4 MR. MALANOWSKI: No, I was in my office in 5 Milwaukee.
6 INVESTIGATOR DEVITIV: Do you recall when this 7 document became an object of your work responsibility?
8 Did it precede the 19th? Did you start dratting it or did 4
9 you start discussing it prior to the 19th of February?
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10 Were you working on this maybe for a period of days .before .
11 this or months before this?
12 , MR. MALANOWSKI: 4(a had discussed the prior 13 day, Tuesday, about the potential for requesting (2
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15 did not begin 'to work on this document until the evening 16 of the 19th. '
17 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Okay. -How do you put a 18 document like this together, Mr. Malanowski, if I may ask?
19 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: This document is based on the 20 NRC guidance on enforcement discretion in Part 9900. We
.21 also have an internal procedure that basically reiterates 22 that guidance.
23 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Is this kind of what 24 you would consider to be a boiler plate type of a 25 document?
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I 5 INVESTIGATOR DEVIT70: Were you assisted at i
6 all in the preparation of this document?
i ? MR. MMANOWSKI: On Wednesday night I '
8 transferred it on the system so it could be agreed by the
, 9 personnel at the plant and then they took of it from 10 there, but previous to that I had no assistance with this, . .
11 other than my notes from the conversation.
12 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: From your notes of the 13 conversation of the 19th?
Cl 14 MR. MALANOWSKI Yes.
15 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: You said it's posted on 16 the system or it's put into the system. Is that a plant-4 17 wide computer system?
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18 MR. MALANOWSKI: 7t was put on the hard .
19 computer system on our local Internet,.in the directory 20 where it could be accessed.
21 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So are there other 22 people that are allowed to get into the system and work on 23 a document?
24 *MR. MALANOWSKI: Yes. It waJ put into a 25 common directory.
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1 INVESTIGATOR DEVIT70: Wh:n th0y mako 2 cuggrotions cr th;y mako changco io there some way to 3 track that? '
4 HR. MA1ANOWSKI: tht electronically on the 5 system.
6 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: What I don't 7 understand, if this is a master document that's on a e shared land system, people are allowed to go into the 9 system and make additions or amendmen.:s to this particular 10 document? Or are we talking about separate documents? In 11 -
- words, they take the master document and copy it and 12 then make their changes or do they make'their changes to 13 the master document?
14 MR. MALANOWSKI: How the) make their changes is is really up to'the individual. They can make changes to 16 this document and resave it under the same name.
17 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: How do you know what 18 the final produce is? That's what I'm trying to get at,
- 19 at this point. If they're making additions or deletions 20 or whatever to that document, how do you know what 21 document you're working with at that point?
22 MR. MALANOWSKI: Cur normal practice is to 23 have one individual responnible for obtaining and 24 incorporating the revisions to this document, so there 25 should be a person cogniznut of the changes being made.
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1 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: How do you know wh:n 2 you'ra C;tting a final draft? That'o what I'a trying to
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5 ' submit to the NRC, how -do you know when you're at that '
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7 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: , Once you've incorporated all 8 the comments to the document, it's usually provided to the 9 person that would have signature authority .for that. If 10 he is happy with the document at that point then that will 4 11 be prepared for a final signat.1re.
12 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Is there any type of 4 13 concurrence on a document like this, a concurrence page?
C. 14 MR. MALANOWSKI: No, there's not. -
i 15 INV$STIGATOR DEVITTO: Is there any way to 16 track actually who had worked on this particular document? ~
17 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: I'm not aware of a way.
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18 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So getting back to the 19 preparation part of it, you basically took your 20 instructions or you took the information from the meeting
. 21 of the 19th and this was a -joint meeting between the 22 plant, Wisconsin. Electric corporate and the NRC and
.23 incorporated this into this document with obviously some t
24 input from people from the plant, is that correct?
C. 25 MR. MALANOWSKI: Input based on the
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I j 4 M!t. MAIANOWSKI: 2 obtained all my input from 5 my notes during the conversation with the NRC. At the f 6 time I turned it over it was only my draf t. There had
,j ? been Tio other input up to that point.
8 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So this final document 9 at this point, is this strictly your work? ~
6 10 MR..M EANOWSKI: No, it's not.
11 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So it's a combination 12 of efforts, correct? '
13 MR. MALANOWSKI Correct.
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/ 14 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So it could have been
- 15 people from the 51 ant also making contributions, yourself 16 and part of the instructions or discussions with the NRC.
17 Is that correct in saying that?
18 MR. MAIANOWSKI: Is the question was there '
19 other input in putting this in final form?
20 ~INVESTIGAMR DEVITIV: Yes.
21 MR MALANOWSKI: Yes, there was.
22 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: But again the.re's no 23 way of baing able to determine that. . In other words, you 24 can't note a specific paragraph on page two and say this 25 particular paragraph was amended by Joe Schmoe from the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 13l0 RHoDE 18tAND A% N.W.
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2 MR. e AIJ.NOWSKI: Right, th0ro'o no way of lO# 3 telling that any given portion of this document, who had j 4 amended it or written it.
l 5 2NVESTIGATOR DEVIT10: . Nowever, it.has to be 6 signed off by scmebody,-and that's not yourself, correct?
7 MR. MA1ANOWSKI That's correct. !
8 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: In this particular case i
. t 9 it was a gentleman by the name of Mr. Johnson?
10 MR. .MALANOWSKI That's correct. .
11 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: That meeting, that 12 tele-conference that you were involved in on the 19th, do .
13 you recall what was discussed oir were many things
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15 MR. h 0WSKI: The main topic of that 16 conversation were the issues related to the inoperability l 17 of the cooling water pump and service water pump and it .
18 proceeded into a request for discretion.
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19 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: How did that come 4
20 about,.that discussion?
j 21 MR. MAIANOWSKI: The discussion was initiated '
j 22 by Wisconsin Electric to explore the possibility of .
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1 24 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So you're saying 25 Wisconsin Electric brought that forward to the NRC?
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j INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: C2C th:ra cnybody that 3 was a team leader in this project for this particular 4 discussion item?
5 "MR. MA1ANOWSKI Fred Cayia led most of the 6 discussion from the Wisconsin Electric and to my 7 recollection. .
l 8 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Of course, he was at
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10 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: Correct.
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. i 11 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Did you have any 12 discussions previous to that with Mr. Cayla relative to 13 this enforcement discretion?
14 MR. MA1ANOWSKI I had previous discussions 15 the day prior thht depending on circumstances we may ask 16 for a discretion.
17 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So that would have been f
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19 MR. -MAIANOWSKI : Yes, on Tuesday.
20 INVESTIGA'IVR I)EVITTO: Which would have been 21 the 18th?
22 MR. MAIANOWSKI: The 18th, 23 JNVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So this became an item 24 of discussion from the 18th of February on or till 25 eventually when it was drafted, final draft I should say, NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS ANDTRANSCRIBERS 1223 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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f y .3 18th. The request was made on the 19th, and this draft 4 was put together following that request.
5 , INVESTIGA'!OR DEVITTO: Do you recall the i 6 substance of those discussions with Mr. Cayla on the 18th?
f 7 MR. MAIANOWSKI4 Yes, I do.
8 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Could you elaborate 9 those for the record? .
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- MR. MA1ANOWSKI: The main point of those .
21 discussions was whether it was a safer condition to 12 maintain the unit in a hot condition or to cool it down to 13 cold shut down.
14 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: That was the main is discussion? 5 16 MR. FAIANOWSKI Yes, that was really the >nly 17 topic of discussion.
18 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Jf we could look at 19 this document, at.d let me jt;st refer you to page six. If 20 you could look at the first paragraph, the first bullet
.21 that's highlighted.in the paragraph.
, 22 MR MMANOWSKI: Um-hmm. All right.
23 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Could you explain for 24 the record what that paragraph discusses? ,
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7 INVESTI ETOR DEVITTO: What do you know a particularly about that area? Is there anything that 9 stands out in your mind that was discussed with that 10 issue?
11 MR. O'NEILL: When?'
12 INVESTI ETOR DEVITTO: Anytime prior to the 13 drafting of this document.
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14 MR. MMANOWSKI: This was brought up during 15 or- Yarence call on the~19th.
16 INVESTI ETOR DEVITTO: Nas it discussed on the 17 . .,wtween you and Mr. Cayia?
18 MR. MMANOWSKI No, I don't recall a 19 discussion on this. -
20 INVESTI ETOR DEVITTO: What took place in the 21 discussion regarding this on the 19th in the tele-22 conference? You wre obviously asking for discretion on 23 this, correct?
24 MR. MIANOWSKI t The question was raised,
, 25 after discussing the safety basis of the request, what
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8 MR. MMANOWSKI No, I did not.
9 INVESTIGA'!OR DEVITTO: I*r going to have you 10 exe.mine another document here, Mr, Malanowski. This is 11 Exhibit 2 which is a condition report. If you could 12 examine'thet, please. .
13 NR. MAIANOWSKI: Okay.
C. 14 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Have you seen that 15 document prior t'o being'shown it today?
16 MR. MAIANOWSKI: No, this is the first time 17 I've read this document.
18 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: What essentially does -
19 this document discuss? '
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MR. MAL 4NOWSKI: This document discusses the 21 fact that these valves had been over-torqued in the shut 2.1 direction at one point.in time.
23 ' INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Do you know what 24 valves?
. 25 MR. MALANOWSKI: These are CC722 A and B which
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O 3 TNVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: In your review of this 4 enforcement discretion you weren't aware of this d
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'l' 6 ..MR. MA1ANOWSKI: No, 2 was.316t.
7 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: When did you become 8 aware of that condition?
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- 3 9 MR. MA1ANOWSKI: I became awarm of that 11- condition on Friday, the 21st in anothe: conference call 11 we were having with the NRC staff.
12 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Where did you have that 13 tele-conference?
( 14 MR. MA1ANOWSKI I was in my office in 15 Milwaukee. *: * -
16 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Who was present?
. 17 MR. MA1ANOWSKI In that conversation again,
. 18 the principal person discussing from our end was Fred _.
19 cayin at the plant. .I don't remember the . list of the 20 personnel that would have been at the plant.
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- CINVES?IGATOR DEVITTO: How was that brought up 22 in that conference call? -4tho mas at the t.ther and of that 23 conference call?
E 24 NR. MAIANOWSKI: Theplanthrsonnelwould 2'S have been Fred cayla and I'm not sure. There war a list
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A INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: What was the substance 9 of that conversation? ~
- 10 MR. -MAIANOWSKI
- This call was to discuss . .
11 status of the repair issues.
12 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTOs It dis:usesd this 13 particular condition report? Did it discuss this
() 14 condition report?
15 MRi 'MMANOWSKI: There was a discuss:on of
- 16 this condition, that's documented in this condition 17 re7 ort.
18 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Okay. Was there
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19 anything resolved at that tele-conference with the NRC7
, 20 MR. MMANOWSKI: There was nothing resolved.
21 7NVESTIGATOR DEVI770 .. Mas this condition 22 report brought to their attention at that time?
23 MR. +MAIANOWSKI: I don't believe this e
j 24 condition report was brought to their attention during 25 that call.
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O 3 HR. MAIANOWSKI: My recollection is the first i,
i 4 time this condition was mantioned during that call was 5 based on questions from Jim McCormick Barger about thie f 6 condition and how long it had existed.
'7 2NVESTIGA70R DEVITTO: So the NRC was the one 8 that was querying this condition?
. 9 MR. MAIANOWSKI: To my recollection.
10 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: And this report wasn't ,
11 volunteered at that time?
12 MR. MAIANOWSKI: I don't recall. I don't 13 recall.
Cl 14 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Did you have any 15 discussions with Mr. Cayla on that particular date about 16 this candition outside of that particular tele-conference?
17 MR. MAIANOWSKI: I don't recall. I don't 18 believe I had any further discussions with him that day. '
19 7NVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: And you don't recall -
20 having any discussions with him previous to that date 21 about this condition?
22 MR. MAIANOhiSKI: I did not have any 23 discussions with him previous to this date.
24 'INVESTIGETR DEVITTO:
- Row about with Mr.
25 Johnson?
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2 diCcu00icns with Mr. Johnson previous to the 21st also.
.O 3 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: And the way you became 4 aware of that condition rr ort 18 through that tele-
- 5 conference?
! 6 MR. MAIANOWSKI: Yes.
7 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: You've never been given 8 a copy of this document up until this time?
9 MR. MAIANOWSKI: That's correct.
. 10 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: If you had knowledge of .
11 thi.s particular condition report, would it have changed 12 this paragraph, referring to the paragraph on page six?
13 MR. MALANOWSKI I don't know if it would have
- 4 14 changed the paragraph, but I would have not included the paragraph in my' draft or the related paragraph in my 15 16 draft.
17 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: I don't understand what 18 you mean by that.
19 MR. MALANOWSKI: Once I released for the plant 20 to hsndle, it would have been up to them to make a i
21 decision, the, people that were knowledgeable of this 22 condition whether we had that capability or not.
23 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: So you wouldn't at that 24 point have made any kind of commitment without an 25 evaluation by the plant, is that what you're saying?
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. 5 oversight of that. Who is that indiaridual?
[t 6 MR. MAIANOWSKI: .This is my understanding, 7 that when I completed my draf t, At was there to null and e it was my understanding that Doug Johnson principally was ,.
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11 NR. MC MURTRAY: Do you know if that document 12 was to go before any additional supervisory staff review 13 prior to issuance after you had drafted your portion?
14 MR. MAIANOWSKI: Are you asking me if 4.t would .
15 have gone for a $taff review?
16 MR. hC MURTRAY: If it would have gone or if 17 you knew if it would have gone. I guess that's two 18 questions.
19 'MR. MAIANOWSKI: I would have expected it to 20 have been reviewed by senior staff.
1, 21 MR. MC MURTRAY: .Okay.
22 MR. MAIANOWSKI: 2 believe it was but I have 23 no direct knowledge of that.
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t MR. MC MURTRAY: Thet's all I've got, 5 ' INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Did you indicate that l_ 6 you report to Mr. Johnson?
7 MR. MALANOWSKI: I report to Doug Johnson, 8 correct.
9 XNVESTIGATOR DEVITIO: How long have you 10 reported to hitc?
11 MR. MAIANOWSKI: I reported to Doug for about 12 two months. .
13 INVESTIGMOR DEVITTO:
- . Is he new in this 24 position as a manager of regulatory services and 15 } A. wet sing? _
16 MR. MAIANONSKI: Yes, he is.
17 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Now new?
18 MR. MAIANOWSKI: For about two months.
19 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: What did he do prior to 20 that? '
, 21 MR. MAIANOWSKI: _Doug Johnson was manager of 22 our steam generator replacement project.
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5 of his skills, Mr. Johnson's skills so far?
6 MR. MMANOWSKI: That's an opinion.- ,
7 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Well, is he a competent 8 manager?
9 MR. MAIANOWSKI Doug Johnson is a very
. 10 competent manager.- ,
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11 INVESTIGhTOR DEVITTO: So him signing off this -
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15 MR. MMANOW IKI: I have no concerns that Doug.
.16 believed in the accuracy of that document when it was 17 signed.
18 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: That's because you
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7 19 contributed to it quite heavily?
20 MR. MMANONSKI: Yes, but my understanding of 21 Doug in previous positions was he would not put his name 22 to a document that was not correct.
23 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: As.there anything else 24 that you would care to embellish,upon at this time, Mr.
25 Malanowski, relative to this situation or any
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-3 " INVESTIGATOR LEVITTO: In closing, Mr.
4 Malanowski, have I or any other NRC representative here 5 threatened you in any manner or offered you any rewards 6 for.this statement?
7 IR. MAIANOWSKI No.
8 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: Have you give this 9 statement freely and voluntarily? .
e 10 MR. MALANOWSKI: Yes, I have. .
11 INVESTIGATOR DEVITTO: And you don't care to 12 add anything further?
13 MR. MALANOWSKI: I don't care to cdd anything C'. 14 further.
15 INV$STIGATOR DEVITTO: Thank you. That's it.
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