ML20198R093
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| Issue date: | 03/04/1997 |
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l 4- OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS 5 INTERVIEW 6 -----------------------------x 7 IN THE MATTER OF: :
8 INTERVIEW OF
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9 ROBERT J. HARVEY : (not assigned) 10 :
11 -----------------------------x 4 12 Tuesday, March 4, 1997 13 14 Point Beach Nuclear Plant 15 6612 Nuclear Road, Hwy. 42 16 Two Rivers, Wisconsin 17 18 19 20 The above-entitled interview was conducted at 21 12:00 p.m.
22 BEFORE:
23 RICHARD L. DE VITTO Special Agent 24 9711130155 971112 PDR ADOCK 05000266 C.. 25 e ppg NEAL R. gross EXHIBli b COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS PAGE /
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2-3 MR. TONY MC MURTRAY, 4 Senior Resident Inspector-5 U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission 6-7 MR. JOHN H. O'NEILL, JRe.
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3 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Good morning.
For the 4 record this is an interview of Robert J. Harvey who is 5 currently employed by Wisconsi- Electric at the Point 6 Beach nuclear plant, Two Rivers, Wisconsin as a shift 7 superintendent and a senior reactor operator.
8 The location of the interview is at the Site 9 Boundary Center at Point Belch Nuclear Plant, Two Rivers, 10 Wisconsin.
11 Present at this interview and representing the 12 U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission is special agent 13 Richard L. DeVitto of the Office of Investigation, Chicago r
k'\ 14 field office, and Point Beach NRC senior resident 15 inspector Tony McMurtray, 16 Representing Wisconsin Electric la John H.
17 O'Neill, Jr. of the law firm of_Shaw Pittman Potts &
1 18 Trowbridge, and they are located in Washington, D.C.
19 MR. O'NEILL: Just for the record, I'm 20 representing Mr. Harvey individually as well.
21 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: I was going to 22 establish that. Okay. As agreed this interview is oeing 23 electronically recorded by Ron LeGrand of LeGrand Services 24 and will later be transcribed.
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-5' Mr. Harvey, would you please stand and raise 6 yeur right hand?=
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,- 8 IIMSTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. Would you 9 please be seatsd?
10 Mr. O'Neill, would you please state the nature 11 of your representation today?
12 MR. O'NEILL: During this int';rview I--
-13 represent-Mr. Harvey. I also for the record represent 14 Wisconsin Electric Power Company, and during the course of 15 today and tomorrow I've'also been asked to-represent =other 16- individuals who will be interviewed.
17 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay, If I could 18 clarify this, counsel, for the record. You are 19 representing him also personally?
20 -MR. O'NEILL: I am representing him in this 21 interview personally. That's who my client is for this
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-23 INVEST 1 GATOR DE VITTO: And you are also 24- representing Wisconsin Electric?
25- MR. O'NEILL: That is correct. I represant
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' C'- 3 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. And Mr. Harvey, 4 do you feel comfortable kr.owing that this counsel 5 represents both the company and you?
6 MR. HARVEY: Yes, I do.
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7 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. Thank you.
8 Would you please state for the record your 9 name?
10 MR. HARVEY: Robert J. Harvey.
1 11 ROBERT J. HARVEY, 12 was called as a witness herein, having been first duly 13 sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
14 EXAMINATTON 15 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: What is your date of 16 birth?
17 MR. HARVEY: January 3rd, 1960.
18 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: For the record what is 19 your Social Becurity number?
20 MR. HARVEY:
21 INVESTIGATOR EP iTTO: Where do you reside 22 currently, Mr. Harvei 23 MR. HARVEY: , reside at 24 <
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3 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: What type of formal 4 education or professional training do you possess?
5 MR. HARVEY: I have an associate degree in 6 applied science with a raajor in electric powcr teclaiology.
7 I've been employed at Wisconsin Electric for some 17 years B at wh!.ch time I've earned a reactor operator's license and 9 then a senior reactor operator's license.
10 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Who are you currently 11 employed by?
12 MR. HARVEY: Wisconsin Electric Power Company, i
13 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: You indicated you've
. 14 been with them for some 17 years?
15 MR. HARVEY: 17 years.
16 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: What is your current 17 position and title?
18 MR. HARVEY: Shift superintendent.
1.4 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: How long have you been 20 in that position?
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MR. HARVEY: Since January lat. Just for the 22 record I'm not fully qualified in that position. I'm 23 still working on my quals.
24 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. What was your 25 position in starting with Wisconsin Electric?
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,. j 8 1 MR. HARVEY: Wh n I CtcrtCd h0ro SCck in 1980 2 I started as a radiation control helper.
3 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: " hat position did you 4 advance to at that point?
5 MR. HARVEY: From there I advanced to 6 auxiliary operator, followed by licensed auxiliary 7 operator, followed by control operator, then operating 8 supervisor and as of January lat, shift superintendent.
9 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Who do you report to 10 in the management chain?
11 MR. HARVEY: I report to the manager which is 12 Carl Gray.
13 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTo: Wh,o is his immodiate 14 supervisor or boss?
15 MR. HARVEY: He reports to the manager of 16 operations which is Tom staskal.
17 INVESTIGA'MR DE VITTO: Calling your attention 18 to a document I have marked as Exhibit A, take a look at 19 that. What this represents, Mr. Harvey, it's a request 20 for enforcement discretion regarding the service water 21 component cooling water requirements at Point Beach 1 and
- 22 2. That's basically the cover sheet.
23 Would you please take a look at that document?
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2 MR. O'NEILL: While he's looking at it, off C. 3 the record, please.
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5 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Mr. Harvey, after 6 reviewing that document, can you tell me, have you see 7 that document before?
8 MR. HARVEY: No, sir, I've not seen this 9 document before.
10 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Did you have any 11 involvement in the actual production of that document or 12 did you contribute to that document at all?
13 MR. HARVEY: No, sir, I did not have anything
( 14 to do with the building of this document.
15 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. Is this the i
16 first time you've seen this document?
17 MR. HARVEYt Yes, sir, this is the first time 18 I've seen it.
19 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Let me call your 20 attention to page mix. If you would review that just 21 briefly again for the record.
22 MR. HARVEY: I've reviewed up to the first 23 bulleted item on page six.
24 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Can you just indicate f 25 for the record what that paragraph states?
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10 1 MR. HARVgY: I t, bacically CtCtoo that Paint 2 Beach plant the capability of cross-connecting the two 3 units' component cooling water systems.
4 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. Again, you've 5 indicated previously that you had nothing to do with this 6 document. That issue itself, did you have any involvement 7 in that, that particular icsue itself?
8 MR. HARVEY: At what point in time?
9 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Let's say the week of 10 February 19th of 1997.
11 MR. HARVEY: My only involvement during that 12 week was after this NOED was discussed at the morning 13 manager's brief.
14 INVEJTIGATOR DE VITTO: What date would that 15 have been?
8 16 MR. HARVEY: Off the top of my head I'm not 17 sure. It could have been the Wednesday or Thursday of 18 that week. I attended the morning manager's brief as a 19 representative of the work control center. This NOED was 20 talked about and at that point this particular item about 21 cross-connecting the systems, one of the people there, Mr.
22 Erich Ziller, said that the valves that are briefly talked 23 about here had been over-torqued and he was concerned 24 about whether that was taken into consideration or not.
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,- _2 had indicated that I, as an auxiliary operator in my early 3 years, probably in the year 1981 had been' involved in 4 over-torquing these valves or at least putting a large 5 torque on them. I don't know if it was over-torqued or 6 not, but'I'did put a large torque on them.
7 And at that point Mr. Cayla asked that a e condition report be written. And later on that afternoon 9- Mr. Eiller did bring a condition report to the work control center and maybe an inactive SRO. I did review 11 that condition report and sign it.
12 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: This meeting took 13 place when?
.e-k 14 MP. HARVEY: Either the Wednesday or Thursday 15 of --
16 INVESTIGATOR'DE VITTO: I believe Wedne'sday 17 would have been February 19th.
18 MR. HARVEY: So whatever date I put on the 19 condition report is the day that meeting occurred. Let's 20 put it that way.
21 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: If you could recall 22 who'was present at this. meeting.
33 MR; HARVEY: -I don't remember everybody. I 24 remember Erich being there.
( 25 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Erich?
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12 1 MR. HARVEY: Erich Zillor. Mr. C ylo. From y 2 the NRC I believe Mr. Keller was there, our junior 3 resident. Felicia Hennessey I believe was there. I don't 4 recall. You go to these morning meetings quite often.
5 There were definitely a bunch of folks that are always 6 there and I don't remember.
7 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO " So this meeting is 8 something that takes place on a daily basis?
9 MR. HARVEY: Yes, every morning at 6:45, the 10 shift superintendent leaves the control room and goes to 11 the work control center conference room and briefs the 12 managers of the various departments and then, of course, 13 other supervisors to find out what's gone on during the 14 night. ,
15 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: This meeting, was 16 there any telephone call involved with this meeting? Do 17 you recall?
18 MR. HARVEY: No, sir. Oh, the other person I 19 do remembe'r, Mr. Ken Sokel was the shift superintendent 20 that morning. He came out and was the one that read ever 21 the NOED paperwork of some sort. I think he was reading 22 off an E-mail if I remember correctly.
23 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: But up until that 24 time, Mr. Harvey, you didn't have anything to do with the 25 NOED specifically, correct?
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2 know we were thinking about a NOED until that morning.
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3 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Not to belabor this, 4 but what was your information at that time at that meeting 5 and who conveyed it to you?
6 MR. HARVEY: The shift superintendent who I 3
7 believe was Mr. Sokal read -- one of the things that's i
8 done at this meeting is he basically reads the status of 9 the units off of his notes essentially and one of the
- 10 things that was reported is that a unit had been granted a 11 NOED for the CCW system and service water system, those
. 12 are the two LCO's, and he went through and basically said 13 what we were -- it waJ basically a synopsis of what the 14 NOED contained, what we were allowed to do underneath it l 15 as far as operational end of the plant, and then he also 16 read through all the various contingencies that we had in 17 place to support the NOED.
18 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. Now, you l 19 indicated this was the first time you've actually seen i ;
20 this report, correct?
21 MR. HARVEY: That's affirmative, i
22 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: However, it was 1
23 discussed, certain parts of it was discussed at that i 24 meeting?
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,.. ,. 14 1 bulloted Atc 3 h:ro waro diccucc:d in th] me: ting. Th t'o 2 affirmative 3 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. So you did have 4 some knowledge previous to today as far as this NOED?
5 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir.
6 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Were you given any 7 specific instructions at that meeting?
8 MR. HARVEY: No, sir, I was not.
9 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Let me introduce what 10 I have marked as Exhibit B, which is a condition report I 11 believe which you signed.
12 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Mr. O'Neill, do you 13 need to see a copy of that also?
14 MR. O'NEILL: Please.
15 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Mr. McMurtray, if you 16 could show him that.
17 , MR. O'NEILL: Thank you.
18 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: You've examined it?
19 MR. HARVEY: I examined it.
20 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Does that look like 21 the same report that you signed?
22 MR. HAJtVEY: Yes, it does. It does look to be 23 a copy of the repen that I signed. ,
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, 2 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: That is your signature 3 on the bottom right?
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..R. HARVEY: Yes, sir, that's my signature.
5 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Did you actually sign 6 that report on that particular date, 2/20?
7 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir, I did.
8 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: What involvement did 9 you have with that particular condition report?
10 MR. HARVEY: Mr. Ziller brought this report up 11 to the work control center on the afternoon of the 20th.
12 The exact time, I don't remember. However, one of the 13 things that are asked of us is to always decide
. 14 operability on the components talked about and being in 15 the work control center, that's one of my functions. So I 16 read over the report, and after reading it and looking it 17 over a little bit, I put an X in the box where it says is 18 structure, system or component operable, I said yes, with 19 further analysis being required to strengthen initial 20 operabi3ity qual and no, it's not reportable. I signed it 21 at that point and put it into the collect. ion box for 22 condition reports that is located in the work control 23 center.
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2 MR. HARVEY: It describes an event where the Ch 3 author states that the two CCW cross-connect valves that 4 go between the two systems, that's CC722 alpha and bravo, 5 he indicates the history that it's likely to been grossly 6 over-torqued in the shut direction.
7 He also talks a little later that during one 8 of these events that it was over-torqued to the point 9 where a body to body leak occurred.
10 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Did you have cause to 11 make an inspection of that condition itself recently?
12 MR. HARVEY: I don't understand the question.
13 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Did you act ually -- I s
14 know you signed off on it. Did you actually examine that 15 system yourself?
16 MR. HARVE : At the time when I signed this 17 off, did I go out and look at those valves?
e 18 INVESTIGATOR DE'VITTO: Yes.
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19 MR. HARVEY: No , I did not; however, I am 1
'20 familiar with those valves and do make trips out to the ,
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23 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. And you were' 24 aware of the condition of those valves?
( 25 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir.
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l 4 MR. O'NEILL: I'm sorry. Ccnvey what?
i 5 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Did he convey the 6 condition of that system to anybody else prior to, say,
- 7 February 19th. Had it ever been discussed at any other 8 meeting that you can recall?
9 MR. HARVEY: No, sir, it was never discussed 10 at.any meeting that I recall.
11 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Would there have been 12 any reason to bring up this mat.ter prior to the time of 13 the NOED?
14 MR. HARVEY: During the years that I've worked 15 for the company on seversl occasions I was the operation 16 system expert for CCW and at those times when we reviewed 17 procedures, we discussed these particular valves and the 18 fact that we don't test them, as far as being able to open 19 them, but that was only casual discussions between 20 operators, that we should include these into a test 21 program or not.
l 22 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Was that condition 23 ever discussed with Mr. Cayia prior to February 19th?
24 MR. HARVEY: I can only speak for myself.
25 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: That's all I want you 1
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2 MR. HARVEY: I've never discussed this 3 condition with Mr. Cayia.
4 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. What did this 5 report require you to do? Did it :cequire you to just 6 examine the conditions and sign off on it or did it 7 require you to take some kind of active participation in 8 remediating that problem?
9 MR. HARVEY: Well, basically All I have to do 10 is determine whether the system or component is operable 11 or not. In this case, because of my prior knowledge of 12 the system and reading the report, I didn't think any 13 additional work, for me anyway, was warranted. So I 14 basically initiated the appropriate boxes I felt were 15 correct in my opinion and put it into the box for the reg 16 services people to pick up in the morning so that they 17 could go ahead and continue on with the further analysis 18 section.
19 Not in this particular case, but if an item is 20 not as clear cut or the condition that we were talking 21 about is clearly at a point where the system or component 22 is inoperable then there are further steps I have to take.
23 But in this case, because I didn't think there was a 24 problem with operability of the valves, no other action 25 was required of me.
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,.. ..' , 19 1 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: You'ro ocying you 2 didn't think there was a problem with the operability of 3 the valves?
4 MR. HARVEY: No, sir, I did not.
5 IlWESTIGATOR DE VITTO: And that was based on 6 historical knowledge? ,
7 MR. HARVEY: Historical knowledge and my 8 knowledge of operating valves in general and also my 9 knowledge of.the FSAR which discusses the system.
10 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: But you did mention 11 something about them being over-torqued.
12 MR. HARVEY: I'm not sure I like the term 13 over-torqued. They had been well torqued into their
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15 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Do you know whether 16 those valves were ever opened, say, in the last year?
17 MR. HARVEY: To the best of my knowledge these 18 valves have not!'been opened in a substantial length of 19 time, beyond the one year point.
20 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: So at this point it's 21 just --
22 MR. O'NEILL: I'm sorry. At what point are 23 you talking about, as of that date?
24 MR. HARVEY: To the best of my knowledge, I
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C,i 3 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Again, who brought 4 this condition to your attention?
5 MR. HARVEY: Mr. Erich Ziller was the one that 6 brought the condition report.
7 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: What is Mr. Ziller, s
8 what is his title and duties?
9 MR. HARVEY: Is a member of the production planning group.
10 Right now he's fulfilling the duties of a 11 shift outage coordinator, SOC for short. He works with 12 productionplanningandtheshiftsinthevarious 13 departments to insure the plant follows the schedules and 14 insures that we don't perform actions outside the 15 schedules that may put us in an unsafe condition.
16 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Did he actually give 17 this report to you?
18 MR. HARVEY: Yes, sir. Mr. Ziller handed this 19 report to me.
4 20 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Did he give you any 21 instructions prior to giving it to you?
22 MR. HARVEY: I don't recall any instructions.
23 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Any comments?
24 MR. HARVEY: There were comments, but I don't
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C 3 , INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Again, that would have 4 been on that particular date that you signed off on that, 5 2/20/977 6 MR. HARVEY: That's affirmative.
7 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Mr. McMurtray?
4 8 MR. MC MURTRAY: The only thing I wanted to 9 just clear up. You said you signed this sometime in the 10 afternoon on the 20th. Do you remember whether it was 11 early in the afternoon or late?
12 MR. HARVEY: I don't clearly remember what 13 time it was. I do believe that Mr. Ziller went into the (s 14 control room for the brief of the oncoming swing shift so 15 that would put it in the three-ish time frame. I am not 16 100 percent sure that's completely correct. Erich would 17 probably remember better than I would.
, 18 MR. MC MURTRAY: That's all I have.
19 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: One particular point I 20 have highlighted here, says follow up with this condition 21 report at the request of Fred Cayla. Is there any 22 significance to that statement?
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[ . 2 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: The morning meeting of 3 what date?
r 4 MR. HARVEY: That would have been the 20th, 5 the same day.
6 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Did you have any 7 subsequent conversations with Mr. Cayla from the time that 4
8 you had signed that particular cendition report?
9 MR. HARVEY: Other than seeing him at the 10 morning meeting, I don't remember seeing Mr. Cayia that
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12 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Any discussions with 13 him on the 21st relative to this condition?
14 MR. HARVEY: I don't recall any.
15 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Have you had any 16 discussions with him since that sign off date?
17 MR. HARVEY: The first discussions I had with 18 him about this, other than the fact that you guyn were 19 coming, was today when he asked me to watch the test which 20 actually opened tnese valves, which is ongoing as we 21 speak.
22 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: You've indicated that 23 that procedure is ongoing right now, as far as attempting 24 to open those valves?
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3 MR. MC MURTRAY: I don't have any other 4 questions.
5 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. Mr. Harvey, 6 have I or any other NRC representative here threatened you 7 in any manner or offered you any rewards for this
, 8 statement?
9 MR. HARVEY: No, sir, you have not.
10 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Have you given this il statement freely and voluntarily?
12 MR. HARVEY: Y3s, sir, I have.
13 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Is there anything you 14 would care to add for the record that we haven't 15 discussed?
16 MR. HARVEY: I cannot think of anything at 17 this time.
18 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay. Thank you for 19 coming.
20 MR. O'NEILL: Mr. DeVitto, do you mind if I 21 ask one question j* ust t.o help you lill out the record?
22 INVESTIGATOR DE VI'ITO: Sure.
23 MR. O'NEILL: Mr. Harvey, you answered this 24 question in general terms but more specifically, why did 25 you believe that these valves were operable when you NEAL R. GRO55 COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1
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- 2 MR. HARVEY: First of all, I went back to my l ('h 3 knowledge of the FSAR which basically describer the plant 4 and its safety functions. The FSAR never really F specifically mentions these valves by name. They are on a 6 piping drawing in the FSAR, they do show up there and the 7 FSAR and even our tech specs I believe do in several 8 places discuss the ability to cross mix systems. The FSAR 9 also tal'ks about the CCW system being a closed loop 10 outside containment. So the operator or the SRO, in this 11 case, is given a little bit of freedom here to -- I 12 shouldn't say freedom.
13 One of our jobs is to decide what the 14 functions of that valve is. So the first and probably 15 most important is the .bility to be shut, providing the 16 closed loop of containment, of the containment boundary 17 outside of the containment boundary itself which is the 18 closed loop. The fact that the valve is shut and has been 19 shut for years and there has been no known leakage, from 20 that viewpoint the valve was operable.
21 The point of being able to cross connect in 22 the unlikely event that you lose two totally redundant 23 pumps, basically can the valves be opened. In my 17 years 24 of operating at Point Beach and several of operating
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1 operato, I'va n:v0r cocn o valvo th:t'o oper:blo or y;u i 2 could not open once you've put it into the seat. If you l'C -
3 put it into the seat and then put it through a thermal 4 transit, yeah, it will sti k shut or if you put it into 5, the se.at and leave At sit there in a very corrosive G ,,.cwtirone nt euch as our own service water system, yeah, 7 the$2 ve been atuck shut.
8 8 But in a clean system full of runt inhibitor, 9 I've never seen a valve stick shut because it's been 10 pushed in the seat vory hard.
11 So at that point, obviously it's somewhat of 12 an opinion, but I felt that the valves could be opened.
13 MR. O'NEILL: What kind of valve is that, Mr.
14 Harvey?
15 MR. HARVEY: I believe that a gate valve, in 16 both cases.
17 MR. OAEILL: How is it ,pened and shut?
18 MR. HutVEY: When there's just a hand wheel on 19 the valve that ormns and closes it. There's no gear box 20 involved or motor operated device. It's just a straight 21 hand wheel on a threaded rod, a rising stem valve.
22 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Just one other 23 question. You took somewhat of an exception to the term 24 over-torqued. Just indicate again for the record why you
.( 25 felt that was an inappropriate term.
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(' 3 More so in the steam plant, over the years, we have put an extreme amount of torque on 4 a lot of valves to try to get them to isolate for 5 maintenance to work on systems where you have high energy 6 steam on one side and they're going to be working on the 7 other side. We go through and really have to make sure 8 those valves are shut and we put an extreme amount of 4
9 force on those valves. As I said, knowing what we've put 10 out on trem, I've never had problems opening them. I -
11 don't know if. I have a term of over-torqued development to 12 its seat.
S 13 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: That wasn't your
, 14 particular choice of words, was it?
15 MR. 'HARVEY: No, it was not. Other than 16 signing this condition report, I had nothing to do with 17 its contents or its wording.
18 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: This may be olfficult 19 for you to answer, but this had been actually produced by 20 Mr. Ziller, as far as the actual contents and the wording?
21 MR. HARVEY: I can only say that his name is 22 typed on it and that he handed it to me. I do not have 23 knowledge that he was only the person who brought it up to 24 me or -atually wr >te it himself.
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4 4 MR. HARVEY: Generally speaking the people who ;
5 print their name down there as initiator are the people 6 who did write it.
7 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Okay.
8 MR. MC MURTRAY: I have one additional 9 question. Do you know, are those gate valves double disk?
10 THE WITNESS; I do not know.
11 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Anything else to add?
, 12 MR. HARVEY: I don't have anything. '
13 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Mr. O'Neill?
14 MR. O'NEILL: No, sir. <
15 INVESTIGATOR DE VITTO: Thank you. Thanks for 16 coming over.
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