ML022810406
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| Site: | Davis Besse  |
| Issue date: | 09/17/2002 |
| From: | FirstEnergy Nuclear Operating Co, NRC/RGN-III |
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2 PUBLIC MEETING BETWEEN U.S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION O350 PANEL 3 AND FIRST ENERGY NUCLEAR OPERATING COMPANY OAK HARBOR, OHIO 4 ---
5 Meeting held on Tuesday, September 17, 2002, at 2:00 p.m. at the Oak Harbor High School, Oak Harbor, Ohio, 6 taken by me Marie B. Fresch, Registered Merit Reporter, and Notary Public in and for the State of Ohio.
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8 PANEL MEMBERS PRESENT:
9 U. S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 10 Mr. John Grobe, Chairman, MC 0350 Panel William Dean, Vice Chairman, MC 0350 Panel 11 Anthony Mendiola, Section Chief PDIII-2, NRR 12 Christine Lipa, Projects Branch Chief Douglas Simpkins, NRC Resident Inspector 13 Scott Thomas, Senior Resident Inspector at Davis-Besse 14 FIRST ENERGY NUCLEAR OPERATING COMPANY 15 Lew Myers, FENOC Chief Operating Officer 16 Robert W. Schrauder, Director - Support Services 17 J. Randel Fast, Plant Manager James J. Powers, III 18 Director - Nuclear Engineering Clark Price, Manager - Business Services 19 Michael Stevens Director - Work Management 20 Michael Roder, Manager - Operations 21 ---
22 23 24 25 MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
2 1 MR. GROBE: Good afternoon.
2 Why dont we get started. My name is Jack Grobe. Im the 3 Chairman of the Davis-Besse Overview Panel. Its a special 4 NRC panel that the NRC has chartered to provide oversight 5 of the Davis-Besse facility during this extended shutdown 6 situation.
7 This is a continuing, continuation of our regular 8 meetings. These meetings are publicly observable. Purpose 9 of the meeting is to discuss with FirstEnergy the status of 10 the project at Davis-Besse and to provide feedback that we 11 might have.
12 The agenda is up on the screen. Before we get 13 started, let me take a moment and introduce the NRC staff, 14 and then well ask FirstEnergy to introduce their staff.
15 On my far left is Scott Thomas, Scott is a Senior 16 Resident Inspector at Davis-Besse. He inspects at the 17 facility every day; lives in the local community here.
18 Next to him is Tony Mendiola. Tony is the 19 Supervisor of Licensing Activities in the NRC Headquarters 20 Office, responsible for the Davis-Besse project.
21 On my immediate left is Bill Dean. Bill Dean is the 22 Deputy Director of the Division of Engineering in our 23 Headquarters Office, as well as the Vice Chairman of this 24 panel.
25 On my immediate right is Christine Lipa. Christine MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
3 1 is Branch Chief in the Region 3 Office in Chicago, 2 responsible for Davis-Besse.
3 We also have Doug Simpkins, who is operating the 4 overhead right now and hell be joining us at the table in 5 a moment. Doug is the Resident Inspector at the 6 Davis-Besse facility for the NRC.
7 And in the audience, there is two NRC staff, Jan 8 Strasma. Jan raise your hand. Jan is our Public Affairs 9 Officer out of the Region 3 Office. And also Rolland 10 Lickus, and Roland is a our State and Government Affairs 11 Officer. And theyre also here to answer any questions you 12 might have.
13 There is a number of handouts in the foyer, 14 including a monthly public report that the NRC is issuing 15 on the status of the Davis-Besse project. A copy of the 16 handouts, the agenda and handouts that were going to be 17 using today as well as a copy of the Licensees handouts.
18 There is a couple other things I would like to bring 19 to your attention. The NRC is always looking for 20 feedback. There is a one-page feedback form. You dont 21 even have to put 34 cents on it. Just fold it up and send 22 it back to us with any comments you might have for and 23 including the format and content of our meeting here 24 today. Please take an opportunity to fill that out. Were 25 always looking for opportunities to improve.
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4 1 Lew, would you like to introduce your staff?
2 MR. MYERS: Yes, thank you 3 very much. To our far left we have Clark Price. Clark is 4 one of our Building Blocks, Review Process, and Return to 5 Service Process.
6 Next to him is Bob Schrauder. Bob is in charge of 7 Support Services Director at our plant. Additionally, hes 8 been lead Project Manager for Head Restoration.
9 Jim Powers is next to me. Jim is our Director of 10 Engineering.
11 Randy Fast, our General Manager of Operations, Plant 12 Manager.
13 Mike Stevens, next to him. This is the first time 14 that Mike has been here with us. Mike came to us with a 15 broad base of experience from energy plants and Excelon 16 plants, and has been with First Energy for several years 17 now. Brought him over as Director of Maintenance, Work 18 Control, if you will. So, hes with us today. This is his 19 first time up here.
20 Then Mike Roder is also with us today. Hes the 21 Manager of Operations. Hes going to talk about our 22 Restart Plan, if you will. Okay.
23 MR. GROBE: Okay, very good, 24 thank you.
25 I would now like to ask if there is any MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
5 1 representatives of, local public officials or if we have 2 local officials here, I would like to ask them to stand up 3 and introduce themselves.
4 MR. KOEBEL: Carl Koebel, 5 Ottawa County Commissioner.
6 MR. GROBE: Thank you, Carl.
7 Anybody else? Okay. Very good.
8 Our agenda today is very simple. Its the same 9 agenda we use for each of these meetings. Im going to ask 10 Christine Lipa in a moment to give a very brief summary of 11 our very last public meeting, and present a little bit of 12 background information on the status of NRC activities.
13 After that, well turn it over to the Licensee for 14 their presentation and certainly questions from the NRC 15 staff here.
16 At the end of our business portion of the meeting 17 today, well adjourn briefly, and then reconvene for an 18 opportunity for members of the public to ask questions and 19 provide comments.
20 Christine?
21 MS. LIPA: Okay. Thank you.
22 The next slide. This shows the Building Blocks that we 23 talked about at the last public meeting, which was held on 24 August 20. We did cover most of the Building Blocks during 25 that meeting, but not all of them. And, the Licensee gave MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
6 1 us an explanation of the current status of the ongoing work 2 in these areas.
3 We also heard from Bill Pearce, the Vice President 4 of Nuclear Oversight on his assessment of QAs role. And 5 during that meeting, the NRC folks presented some recent 6 results of NRC inspections, including the AIT Follow-up 7 Inspection and the Containment Extended Condition.
8 One of those inspection reports has been issued, The 9 Extended Condition, and it will be available on our 10 website. And the plan is as each of these inspection 11 reports is issued, they will become available on the 12 website, and available in ADAMS.
13 And the rest of the discussion at the August 20 14 meeting is available on our website at the transcript 15 thats been posted.
16 Next on the agenda is the NRC Restart Checklist, and 17 this was issued in August, so it hasnt changed since it 18 was issued. And, I wont go through all the items, but the 19 purpose is to ensure common understanding of the specific 20 activities that will need to be corrected and reviewed 21 before restart. And this will be a living document, and if 22 its updated we will brief you on that at future meetings.
23 And then another item is the status of NRC 24 inspections. I mentioned we completed two inspections; an 25 AIT Follow-up and the Containment Extended Condition. And MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
7 1 right now, there are five inspections that are ongoing.
2 The Vessel Head Replacement Inspection is ongoing, the 3 Containment Extent Condition Part Two is ongoing. There is 4 also a Program Effectiveness that started last week and 5 that will continue on. Also starting last week was 6 Management and Human Performance Inspection; and that will 7 be ongoing for several more weeks. And then finally, 8 System Health Inspections has started.
9 And then just to let you know some other items in 10 your handout today, are the agendas that well be using for 11 tonights meeting at 7 p.m. and tomorrow morning at 9 a.m.
12 at the Davis-Besse Administration Building, well be having 13 another public meeting.
14 So, those agendas are in your handout.
15 Thats all I have.
16 MR. GROBE: Okay. Let me 17 just expand a little bit on the meetings, because its, our 18 schedule of meetings is a little different this month than 19 it has been in prior months.
20 On August 15th in a public meeting, the Licensee 21 FirstEnergy presented to us what they believed were the 22 root causes of the problem that occurred at Davis-Besse in 23 the area of organizational effectiveness, and that involves 24 management, programs, processes and human performance.
25 Tomorrow, since August 15th theyve completed their MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
8 1 Corrective Action Plan to address those causative factors.
2 That discussion would be fairly extensive. I plan on 3 having a fairly extensive discussion tomorrow on that. It 4 would have dominated this meeting and prevented us from 5 having thorough broad base dialogue of whats going on at 6 the plant. So, we decided to schedule a separate meeting.
7 That meeting, like Christina indicated, is tomorrow 8 at 9:00 in the morning. In an effort to not be too 9 disruptive to the school activities, were holding that 10 meeting at the Davis-Besse Administration Building, which 11 is on Route 2.
12 So, as I indicated, that is a public meeting and 13 youre welcome to attend that if you so desire.
14 Lew?
15 MR. MYERS: Thank you.
16 Our agenda is changed somewhat today. We have 17 several desired outcomes. First, we want to demonstrate 18 Davis-Besse is making good progress towards restart. And 19 we wanted to discuss our resolve and identify and fix any 20 problems in doing the job correctly the first time.
21 To that, Mike Stevens will provide you information 22 on the schedule and our milestones and also some of the 23 quality problems that we are having from time to time.
24 We will discuss the major restart items. Mike 25 Stevens will do that. And our integrated schedule, will be MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
9 1 the first time we discussed that at this meeting.
2 Finally, there is some updates we would like to 3 provide you, been in the favor of recent events with the 4 old head inspections. Well do that today. Jim Powers 5 will do that.
6 Well try to provide you with some updates on some 7 of the Building Blocks, the System Reviews which are 8 through our discovery phase now, and the program reviews.
9 And then Clark Price will provide you information on 10 performance indicators today and what you sort of see 11 there, the discovery is beginning to level off. And thats 12 a good indicator for us.
13 Then finally Mike Roder for the first time will talk 14 about our Integrated Restart Plan and how we plan on 15 approaching restart of the plant.
16 With that, Ill turn it over to Mike Stevens.
17 MR. STEVENS: Thank you 18 Lew.
19 Can you all hear me okay? Not too good? How about 20 now? Okay.
21 Im Mike Stevens. Im the Director of Maintenance 22 at Davis-Besse. Ive got about 20 years experience in 23 nuclear power, both in engineering and maintenance. Ive 24 worked with Intergy, Excelon at the Perry Nuclear Power 25 Plant, as Lew said, here at Davis-Besse now.
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10 1 What I would like to discuss this afternoon is our 2 recovery plans and the schedule that supports recovery at 3 Davis-Besse. Weve taken our schedule and incorporated 4 into it not only the work activities for restoring plant 5 equipment, but also our program reviews, our NRC Checklist 6 items; and additionally major work activities that this 7 management team wants to complete prior to start, 8 restarting Davis-Besse.
9 With that I would like to talk about the milestones 10 some, if I could. The first one is Restore the Containment 11 Vessel and the Shield Building. What that milestone is, is 12 to weld back the containment plate and pour the concrete 13 after assembling all the rebar to reestablish the 14 containment vessel itself.
15 There has been a lot of activities going on here.
16 Were currently setting the opening in place, making preps 17 for welding that. Weve qualified the concrete to repour 18 that containment vessel. That entailed mocking up the time 19 it would take to go from the batch plant to the station.
20 Weve had concrete trucks driving around the area for about 21 70 minutes simulating that. Then we poured the concrete, 22 test it, to ensure its of the right quality and meets the 23 specifications.
24 Then you can see we have our System Health Readiness 25 Reviews, our Latent Issues Reviews. The Latent Issues and MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
11 1 the System Health Reviews are centered around reviewing our 2 plant systems to make sure that theyre ready to perform as 3 designed from a readiness to start the plant up.
4 The Latent Issues Review looks at the longstanding 5 problems that may have been recurring, and we want to 6 identify those to get those corrected as appropriate.
7 We have a milestone for FENOC Decision Making 8 procedure to be implemented.
9 We have the Containment Extent of Condition 10 Inspections and Evaluations. Thats from the activities 11 where we expanded the containment, initial inspections into 12 the overall health of containment.
13 Then we have the Regulatory Compliance Program to be 14 implemented. Well complete our Program Reviews. And 15 well implement Conduct of Operations Policy effectively.
16 Next slide.
17 Some of the more major milestones lead up to Core 18 Reload, on or around October the 30th. I say that for a 19 couple reasons. As weve laid out our schedule and our 20 plans and integrated that altogether, and are executing 21 that work, were finding as we provide oversight and 22 inspect how the work is going that there is certain times 23 its more appropriate to stop the work, revisit the 24 standards, ensure that the quality of the work meets the 25 highest standards. And weve had to do that on a couple of MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
12 1 occasions.
2 Most recently, I stopped the work associated with 3 upgrading our polar crane, because it didnt meet the high 4 standards for performance as well as return to service.
5 Thats having an impact on some of the milestones.
6 Ill tell you, that milestone looks like its on track for 7 October the 30th, but our containment vessel closure, even 8 though were to the point of welding it up, its about a 9 week to two weeks behind what we originally planned.
10 So, our schedule is sending a message, that Im 11 sending to the folks and this management team is holding 12 its support to make sure that the job is done correctly and 13 if its not, well take the time to get it done correctly, 14 and of high quality.
15 The next milestone is Implement Corrective Action 16 Programs and Systems Reviews; get our new reactor vessel 17 head on the reactor; and enter Mode 5, November the 3rd.
18 Now, that Mode 5, means the reactor vessel head, the 19 new one is installed on the reactor with all the bolts 20 tightened. Its the final closure of the reactor vessel 21 itself. Then we will fill the Reactor Coolant System and 22 vent it, and do an extensive review of the restart 23 readiness for the plant.
24 What that entails is revisiting all of the 25 activities we put in place, inspection of those activities, MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
13 1 and as well as the paperwork and the documentation from the 2 reviews.
3 When were satisfied that were ready for restart, 4 well enter Mode 4 on November the 19th. Mode 4 is an 5 important milestone, because thats when well establish 6 the containment, and be ready to heat up the reactor 7 nonnuclear, to normal operating pressure and temperature, 8 which is what we call Mode 3.
9 The next slide.
10 Once we get to that point, without having the 11 reactor critical, were going to do a full pressure 12 containment inspection of the reactor coolant system and 13 associated piping, to make sure that it is intact and 14 leakfree.
15 We want to do that to revalidate what we know from 16 the work activities we perform as well as assure ourselves 17 there is no other unknowns there.
18 Then we will go to our Restart Overview Panel and 19 ask them for recommendation. If they recommend restart, 20 well be asking the NRC for approval on or around November 21 the 18th.
22 Then, well enter Mode 2, which is currently set for 23 December the 4th, and thats actually starting the reactor 24 up leading to a hundred percent power, December the 7th.
25 MR. GROBE: Mike, before you MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
14 1 go on, just two questions that I have. On your first 2 slide, your last bullet, you talked about conduct of 3 operations effectively implemented. Were you going to talk 4 more about that today?
5 MR. STEVENS: Mike has a portion 6 of that in his presentation.
7 MR. GROBE: Okay, good. And 8 then, in discussing Core Reload, you talked a little about 9 the polar crane. Could you get into a little more detail 10 on that; what you found and why that occurred?
11 MR. STEVENS: Okay. We --
12 everybody hear the question okay? Hes asking about the 13 polar crane.
14 Polar crane is a pretty good size crane we have in 15 our containment vessel that we use to disassemble and 16 reassemble the reactor. While we were down, we took the 17 opportunity to upgrade that polar crane and install new 18 motors, new electrical panels, new controls, to improve its 19 reliability when its in service to be used.
20 We had taken a look at that work that was performed, 21 and I went over and looked at the polar crane and I wasnt 22 satisfied that we had taken all the tools off the polar 23 crane that we could have, and clean it of some of the 24 leftover debris from putting it, putting those cabinets and 25 stuff up there. We had some minor metal shavings, but that MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
15 1 was unacceptable. We had some screws missing in some 2 panels.
3 Later on, were going to be able to meet the perform 4 maintenance on that polar crane. When we went to look at 5 the wiring, we had to label all the wires like we should, 6 so we could trace them out later during the construction.
7 And we didnt set the upper and lower limits on the hook.
8 There was backup limits for that, that would physically 9 interfere with moving the polar crane. But there is gear 10 limits, so that we dont challenge those backup limits.
11 I took a look at that. I had the electricians in 12 the maintenance shop go up and look at it. There were some 13 light bulbs out on the polar crane. Our procedure for 14 checking out the polar crane is check those light bulbs, 15 make sure they were in good working order. They werent.
16 We had a couple broken globes that protect light 17 bulbs that werent in place. We didnt want to put it in 18 service like that.
19 MR. GROBE: The issue 20 regarding wiring and the limits on movement of the crane 21 hook; were those part of a, is this a maintenance work 22 order or was this a modification that you were doing?
23 MR. STEVENS: Those were from a 24 maintenance work order; they werent part of the 25 modification.
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16 1 MR. GROBE: How was it that 2 these activities werent caught in your post-maintenance 3 testing thats required and they had to be caught by you?
4 MR. STEVENS: The post-5 maintenance testing for the modification was performed. It 6 was performed satisfactory. It did not include adjusting 7 those limits, or the lighting and some of the other 8 activities. I think it goes to lack of understanding and a 9 teachable moment of what the standard is from years of not 10 attaining that standard.
11 MR. GROBE: Should those 12 checks have been included in the post-maintenance testing?
13 Was that part of the maintenance activity?
14 MR. STEVENS: I thought so.
15 MR. GROBE: And these 16 activities, as far as the maintenance were being completed, 17 that was completed and signed off by your mechanics and 18 electricians and then reviewed by the supervisor and it had 19 gone through all its reviews and approvals?
20 MR. STEVENS: No, we had a 21 project manager using some outside contractor help; and I 22 dont think they had, we had the appropriate supervision 23 over those personnel to ensure that this work was performed 24 to the correct standards.
25 MR. GROBE: Okay. I think MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
17 1 its great that you were in there and you took a look at it 2 and asked questions, but Im trying to understand what the 3 root cause of this was, and what actions were necessary to 4 address the root cause.
5 MR. STEVENS: Well, we 6 documented that on a condition report, had the team taking 7 a look at that. And what occurred here, as well as some of 8 the other activities we stopped work on, to make sure that 9 we understand and have the right level of supervision and 10 oversight on these activities, because quite frankly, if we 11 stop the work going back, these milestones wont be met.
12 But we will do that to be sure the work is high quality and 13 done correctly.
14 MR. GROBE: You indicated 15 that this work was being performed by contract electricians 16 and mechanics.
17 MR. STEVENS: Yeah. They were 18 experts in the field of crane maintenance, and thats why 19 we were utilizing them.
20 MR. GROBE: Did their training 21 and qualifications meet your standards?
22 MR. STEVENS: No, and I took 23 them out of the picture as far as actually working on plant 24 equipment at this point, and Im treating them as 25 consultants. I have a good sense of the equipment and how MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
18 1 it operates and bring a lot of experience to the table in 2 that regard. Thats what we need for going forward.
3 We have qualified mechanics and electricians. We 4 need to rely on our contract resource and thats why were 5 putting a team together, to make sure were helping them be 6 successful; making sure were integrated with them going 7 forward and theyre working to the correct standards.
8 There is another piece of that, and thats the sense 9 from some of the individuals, particularly one of the guys 10 that was leading this project had a sense that the schedule 11 was important. And he was hurrying through and made some 12 decisions about not putting all the screws in the panel for 13 future work and whatnot, not taking the time to correct the 14 light bulbs. He was interested in meeting that scheduled 15 date.
16 And if its not right, we cant go forward. So, 17 move the date, and well go get it right.
18 I think that takes a lot of courage. I think it has 19 to be demonstrated, and taking a leadership role is what I 20 was willing to change that to be. So, I think its 21 appropriate that I got involved, stepped up and did that; 22 so that its okay. I think at any rate its not the end 23 of the world, and were getting the right stuff going 24 forward. So, if there was any question in that individual 25 or other individuals mind on how were going to proceed, MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
19 1 that should be alleviated.
2 MR. MYERS: One of the other 3 things also is, Mike is also a Director, so were going 4 into an added mode since the last meeting, so he is the 5 Director. Hes not really doing a function right now, 6 Director of Maintenance, as much as Mike being that 7 Director, so you would expect him to take these kind of 8 actions.
9 MR. GROBE: You have a lot of 10 contractors on site now doing a variety of work. How do 11 you assure that the contractors come on site meet your 12 standards as far as competencies and work quality 13 standards?
14 MR. STEVENS: Well, there is a 15 lot to that question. We go through quite a few ways.
16 Many of the contract supervision that we use, we put them 17 through training and we qualify them to our standards. If 18 they dont meet that qualification, we dont let them 19 supervise personnel.
20 For the majority of the building trades that come up 21 out of the local union, most of those folks we know. For 22 the other folks that come in that we dont know as well, 23 havent used before, we rely on the union hall and some of 24 our key contractors to provide us with information about 25 those individuals, and we try and pair them up with folks MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
20 1 that have been on the station before.
2 MR. MYERS: There is two 3 things, specialty contractors, the crane mod, you know, 4 were not crane experts, and we work on our own and work 5 maintenance, but you wouldnt come to us to buy a crane.
6 So, we want to update this crane, we went to a crane 7 vendor; well known crane vendor, who we saw their standard 8 of workmanship in the field.
9 Were a customer. They work with cranes and bridges 10 and everything else, but theyre crane experts. And we 11 brought some modifications from them.
12 So, contractor oversight here is a key part of 13 this. We have an extreme situation, and we bring 14 contractors in. There is a lot to manage there.
15 MR. GROBE: You mentioned the 16 project manager that worked the schedule that may not have 17 met your quality standards. Is that FirstEnergys Project 18 Manager?
19 MR. STEVENS: Yes.
20 MR. GROBE: What, how did that 21 come about, that your oversight of this contractors 22 activities didnt ensure appropriate quality?
23 MR. STEVENS: Im not sure I 24 understand the question. How did my --
25 MR. GROBE: How did it come MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
21 1 to a situation, where youre depending on what should be a 2 qualified contractor, accomplish work at an appropriate 3 level of quality, but with some oversight, and your manager 4 is one of the people thats providing that oversight, but 5 he puts schedule ahead of quality; how did that come to be; 6 what was it that caused him to do that, or her?
7 MR. STEVENS: Im not sure I 8 know what he was thinking there. We found that, I found 9 that by going in and looking to validate, so I was sure and 10 confident that I understood what that piece of equipment 11 is; and followed up.
12 I dont know how else, it all goes back to 13 management performance. Have employees working, you 14 follow-up with what theyre doing, provide feedback; ask 15 what you can do to help them be successful, make sure they 16 have the right resources.
17 And then you have to take a look at the work theyre 18 doing. If the work theyre doing doesnt meet the 19 standard, then you have to provide the leadership to get 20 them up to the proper standard, and carry on.
21 Now, not everybody is not meeting the standard, but 22 there are some.
23 MR. GROBE: This is truly 24 good news, bad news story. I truly appreciate that you 25 were in containment and provided some independent oversight MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
22 1 of this work, but of course, the bad news is that the 2 contractors werent performing at a quality standard and 3 your people on the job werent providing oversight to 4 assure appropriate quality. They placed schedule ahead of 5 quality.
6 Have you talked to other project managers after this 7 situation?
8 MR. STEVENS: We certainly did; 9 talked to project managers, talked to the shops. And like 10 I said, we have a team put together of some of our more 11 experienced people taking a look at what are, what are the 12 circumstances surrounding this mark here, so that we dont 13 make assumption and not get it. Thats what were doing.
14 MR. GROBE: Okay, how did you 15 do that? Did you stop work and get all the project 16 managers together and use this as a, you used the word, 17 teachable moment?
18 MR. STEVENS: Through the work 19 support center, which is a team of folks we have from each 20 of the disciplines. We brought this problem up. We 21 discussed what we needed to do. I have a strong project 22 manager individual thats going, we just brought over from 23 Perry, thats the Outage Manager. Also had Supervisor of 24 Projects, where more critical projects are taken by that 25 projects group per se.
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23 1 Then we have, so I had them pull together. They 2 know how to be successful in projects. We discussed where 3 the shortcomings were. I reiterated to the Outage Team the 4 need to perform in a quality manner, and take the time to 5 do it right.
6 Last Friday, we had an all-hands meeting at the 7 station. I gave a presentation to the power plant. Used 8 this and a couple other examples; its the right thing to 9 do it right the first time. I dont have a whole lot of 10 time to do it right more than once. You got to get it 11 right the first time.
12 And changed the way during the outage meeting that I 13 had set up previously, I believe. And at least thats the 14 feedback Im getting from some of the participants. We go 15 around the room and ask them; what can I do to help you be 16 successful; what concerns or problems are you having; and, 17 flush out any other issues.
18 In addition to that, what the Work Support Center 19 Team -- everybody know what that is? Thats the 20 maintenance guy, ops guy, engineering, the scheduler, 21 safety, the containment manager.
22 We get those guys together and were looking at the 23 upcoming projects, and were bringing the project managers 24 in and being proactive to make sure we understand what 25 their needs are, where theyre at with their project and MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
24 1 what we can do to help them be successful, or maybe 2 reschedule a couple activities that arent critical in the 3 chain to give them some more time to prepare and get 4 ready.
5 MR. MYERS: We did work, we 6 had a stand down for a couple days.
7 MR. STEVENS: Yeah, we still, 8 that polar crane is not going back into service until I 9 inspect it.
10 MR. MYERS: And, now with 11 the crane, were putting a hold on that, it knocks some 12 other job off.
13 I would comment that were not talking that the 14 crane was falling apart or anything like that. The issues 15 were talking about, if you went to a normal-type business, 16 you probably wouldnt find the little wires were looking 17 for; you wouldnt probably find a bolt out of a cabinet, 18 but this doesnt meet our requirements, and were trying to 19 improve the requirements.
20 One of the good things we have now is, I think its 21 different than weve seen the past couple months, our 22 directors are the Outage Directors. Mike is one of our 23 directors in the past.
24 And I asked someone the other day at Davis-Besse, 25 you know, how long have you been Outage Director. It was MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
25 1 one of the directors of the plant. He couldnt remember 2 the last time.
3 So, its setting new expectations and thats what 4 weve got to do. So, when we talk about a schedule here, 5 or to schedule, I dont think the schedule means everything 6 is going to go perfect; not everything is going to go 7 perfect. If we need to stop, well stop. And thats the 8 main thing we need to do.
9 MR. GROBE: I think we spent 10 enough time on this, but I just wanted to emphasize --
11 okay, Tony, go ahead.
12 MR. MENDIOLA: I need to 13 understand the timeline of moving the two heads; the old 14 head out of containment and new head into containment; and 15 the realization of the polar crane problems. Were they 16 discovered after the heads were removed or prior to the 17 heads removed or during the heads were removed?
18 MR. STEVENS: They were 19 discovered after the heads were moved.
20 MR. MENDIOLA: By a walkdown of 21 the crane after the heads were removed?
22 MR. STEVENS: Yes.
23 MR. MYERS: You know, you 24 dont understand. We tested that crane, did a load test 25 and everything else, for our head move. We found on the MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
26 1 low limits, which is where we were going down to the very 2 bottom of the containment, we found the crane hook; this is 3 a massive hook on the side, and we found a problem there 4 and thats when we started checking the limits and all. We 5 totally tested the crane to make sure it was fine; we moved 6 loads and everything else before that, you know.
7 MR. MENDIOLA: My reaction to 8 that quite clearly is some of the stuff that youve 9 indicated that youre modifying and correcting with the 10 maintenance work order was stuff, if you will, that was 11 already there, if you will, when you used the crane, rather 12 than occurred after the crane is used to move the heads.
13 MR. MYERS: Thats correct.
14 Thats correct.
15 MR. STEVENS: It goes to minimum 16 compliance, the crane tested fine. You go to the panel and 17 there is a dozen bolts to hold the panel on, and five of 18 them are missing, thats not right.
19 MR. MENDIOLA: I understand what 20 youre saying. You have to understand that I cant 21 rationalize, youre indicating to me now that you cant use 22 the crane because of its current status, but you were using 23 crane.
24 MR. STEVENS: I understand. I 25 said I took it out of service so that we could get it MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
27 1 completed and correct. Thats all.
2 MR. MYERS: We could probably 3 make a management decision to use that crane in the state 4 its in right now, but its not correct, its not the 5 standard you would look for. That crane would work fine.
6 MR. MENDIOLA: So, you hold that 7 the crane is currently in compliance and youre just 8 improving it; is that the, is that your current view of the 9 crane?
10 MR. STEVENS: I think the crane 11 is in compliance, minimum compliance. I think per ANSI 12 standards, we performed the inspection on the hook lock and 13 wire rope and whats required, it would probably meet 14 that.
15 MR. MYERS: Absolutely.
16 MR. STEVENS: I dont think 17 thats the way a crane should be operated, and Ive got 18 some, Im not the only one; I mean, other people know or 19 will know or will come to learn that thats whats in 20 place, and thats not the right standard for performing 21 work at the station. And we are finding and using those 22 types of work activities to raise the standard beyond what 23 the minimum procedure requirement is.
24 MR. MYERS: Once again, we 25 have a team doing detail investigation. And once we get MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
28 1 that done, we can share more information with you, but 2 right now, you know, I dont know of anything that would 3 say that crane was unsafe in any way. I dont know of any.
4 It could come to light, but I dont know it now.
5 MR. GROBE: The, I just 6 wanted to wrap up this topic by simply observing that the 7 quality of the work being performed by the folks at the 8 working level and the emphasis of schedule over quality are 9 two of the issues we are going to be discussing tomorrow 10 morning; and its clear that, at least at this one work 11 activity that you havent adequately addressed those 12 issues.
13 And there is a lot of work going on at the site and 14 Im glad to hear that youve stood down and had an 15 opportunity to talk with everybody about your 16 expectations. Its critical that those expectations come 17 to life in the plant. And, these kinds of behaviors that 18 resulted in this, fortunately, Mike, you were in the plant 19 and you observed these activities, need to change.
20 MR. MYERS: We have 1,300 21 contractors inside now. Youre right, there is a lot of 22 work going on. And we need to stop this. This does not 23 set the standard.
24 As we finish our investigation more and more, well 25 share that with you. This rigorous standard is what we MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
29 1 want as a working standard. This provides the workmanship 2 that we like, you know, going on.
3 MR. GROBE: Okay.
4 MR. THOMAS: Can I just ask a 5 question?
6 MR. GROBE: Go ahead.
7 MR. THOMAS: Just along the 8 same lines, you said you had a large number of contractors 9 on site. Do you feel you have an adequate staff to enforce 10 your expectations to, Davis-Besse expectations on these 11 contractors while theyre working on the system?
12 MR. MYERS: You know, thats 13 a hard question. I have to answer that every day. You 14 know, something we should be concerned with, but at this 15 time, I dont see that being a major issue. In fact, what 16 I anticipate is staffing should be reduced in the future, 17 because, were in the startup phase now; all the system 18 reviews, all the steps getting done. So, I would look for 19 the total number of staff, contractor staff reduced by this 20 time next month.
21 I dont think we have a serious problem right 22 now, but were at our limit, 1,300 contractors is a lot of 23 contractors.
24 MR. GROBE: Okay, thank you.
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30 1 question before we go on, Mike.
2 On this very slide, you show Core Reload October 30, 3 and then a couple bullets down entering Mode 5 on November 4 3th. The second bullet on the page is very important.
5 Corrective Actions for Program and System Reviews 6 Implemented. Its my understanding that those reviews are 7 still ongoing now and all the corrective actions have not 8 yet been determined. So, whats your window for completing 9 your reviews and starting your implementation of those 10 corrective actions to get them all done by November 3rd?
11 MR. MYERS: Well talk about 12 that tomorrow.
13 MS. LIPA: This is the 14 Program and System Reviews.
15 MR. MYERS: A lot, the big 16 one is Corrective Action Program. That is on our agenda 17 tomorrow, is Corrective Action tomorrow, so well spend 18 quite a bit of time on that program tomorrow.
19 MS. LIPA: Okay. Well talk 20 about it tomorrow.
21 MR. GROBE: Okay.
22 MR. STEVENS: Any other 23 questions on this?
24 Lets go to the next slide.
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31 1 integrated into our schedules. I just put the bullets up 2 there.
3 The next slide.
4 Heres some of our current work activities. Some of 5 the big ones we felt were important, wanted to share with 6 you in addition. We have the Reactor Coolant System Hot 7 Leg Thermowell Repair. Cut those old thermowells out, weld 8 new ones in. Thats been a recurring problem for us.
9 Were going to upgrade the Containment Emergency 10 Sump; make it almost 30 times bigger than it is now as far 11 as square foot opening goes. That will improve the safety 12 margin at the station.
13 We have a, major work activities for coatings inside 14 the containment. 40,000 square foot dome in containment is 15 being stripped of its paint and being recoated, as well as 16 some of the other areas in the containment, like the flood 17 tank and clean air grooves.
18 The Safety System Performance capability --
19 MR. GROBE: Mike, let me 20 interrupt you just for a moment. Could you talk a little 21 more about the containment sump and what you found when you 22 inspected that, and the relationship between that issue and 23 containment coatings.
24 MR. STEVENS: Jim is going to 25 talk more about the technical side of the emergency sump in MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
32 1 his presentation.
2 MR. GROBE: Okay.
3 MR. STEVENS: So, from a work 4 standpoint, were going to add a great deal of square feet 5 to that surface structure. Work entails some of the 6 undervessel area, as well as repairing some of the area by 7 the decay heat pit. Theres pretty extensive amount of 8 work in the containment to make that modification.
9 MR. GROBE: Okay. Well be 10 patient then for Jim.
11 MR. STEVENS: The Safety System 12 Design Performance Capabilities, with the Service Water 13 System, the High Pressure Injection System and the 4160 14 Volt Electrical Distribution System.
15 We are recoating our main condenser, although its 16 not a safety system, its on the secondary side; and were 17 doing that to prevent any leakage at our condenser.
18 Were going to upgrade and modify our Emergency 19 Diesel Generator Air Start System. A couple things that 20 does for us, is it relieves the maintenance department of 21 some recurring maintenance. Gets some components that we 22 dont think are as reliable as theyd like them to be out 23 of the system, as well as improves the capability of 24 them, of the air start.
25 MR. GROBE: I also had a MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
33 1 question about service water system and particularly 2 service water supplied in containment air coolers; is that 3 also on your agenda, Jim?
4 MR. POWERS: I could touch on 5 that, Jack.
6 MR. GROBE: Okay.
7 MR. THOMAS: Whats the date 8 these activities will be complete prior to restart?
9 MR. STEVENS: Were intending 10 for all these to be completed prior to restart. Were 11 driving to make the plans to that effect.
12 MR. THOMAS: Cutting the 13 restart amount?
14 MR. STEVENS: Only, the only 15 uncertainty there is whether or not the manufacturer is 16 making the receiver tank for us, but preliminary it looks 17 like it can, and looks like it fits in our schedule.
18 MR. MYERS: As a minimum, 19 well get the dryers in.
20 MR. STEVENS: We have our high 21 pressure Feedwater 1-6. Were replacing the pumps in it.
22 Weve elected to take two of the reactor coolant pumps out 23 of service. Were going to take the impellers out of them, 24 totally refurbish them and take motors, or put new motors 25 on the reactor coolant pumps.
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34 1 Talked a little about the Polar Crane Reliability 2 Upgrades.
3 Were going to install a permanent seal for the 4 reactor cavity.
5 MR. MYERS: Thats a major 6 project too, the cavity seal.
7 MR. STEVENS: We have the two 8 valves in the decay heat pit. We want to resolve the 9 leakage into the decay heat pit, make sure there isnt 10 any. Were going to make a modification to that and 11 provide a good seal.
12 Weve included all the Operator Workarounds, 13 Temporary Modifications, so our intention is not to have any 14 of those when we start up.
15 With that, I would like to ask if there is any more 16 questions?
17 MR. MYERS: I think its 18 important, none of these things, feedwater pumps or the 19 reactor pumps; the cavity seal would prevent any -- the 20 plant came with original temporary seal, a seal which you--
21 (Requested speaker to repeat.)
22 MR. MYERS: Cavity seals, like 23 installing the other pressurized water reactor. And, you 24 know, those are the pretty big mods that were making to 25 include an overall margin of safety and reliability of our MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
35 1 plant. So, were pleased with that list.
2 MR. DEAN: I have a couple 3 questions. First, going back to the discussion of restart 4 milestones. I think youre all aware that historically 5 plants that are in the O350 process, extended shutdowns, 6 historically, there is a pattern of slippage as things 7 emerge. Weve discussed the polar crane is going to be an 8 example. I heard you all talk about that today. Your 9 intent is to make sure youre doing things right, and if 10 that results in schedule slips, so be it. You want to do 11 things the right way.
12 In terms of then the dates youve established here, 13 and I particularly note one where it says, we are entering 14 Mode 4 on November 19th, and then Full Pressure Containment 15 Inspections entering Mode 3. Then you have NRC approval 16 for restart November 18th.
17 I think it would be unlikely for us to provide 18 approval for restart until we have an opportunity to see 19 things like, you know, did the system hold LP and LT. So, 20 Im guess Im trying to point out there is some 21 discontinuities here already.
22 Given all that, in terms of confidence level and the 23 types of things that youre seeing, just had a long 24 discussion of the polar crane issue, revealing some of the 25 things that led to the vessel head degradation, production MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
36 1 orientation, minimum compliance. So, clearly, you know, 2 those are underlying issues that were really interested in 3 seeing resolved. Clearly youre not there yet.
4 Given all that, whats your confidence level in 5 terms of these milestones?
6 MR. MYERS: Let me sort of 7 answer that. We spent a lot of time since the last 8 meeting, in fact, we brought a copy of our schedule today.
9 How many pages is it?
10 MR. STEVENS: About 1,240.
11 MR. MYERS: We have thousands 12 of activities in there. You know, were, from what we 13 know, all boils down, and system reviews, that weve done, 14 from hardware standpoint; we feel pretty comfortable in the 15 range that were talking about. We could be a few weeks 16 off here and there, but generally, we believe we can get 17 most of that work done. And we feel real good about it, as 18 a matter of fact.
19 MR. DEAN: So, your 20 projections are based on physical work accomplishment.
21 MR. MYERS: Physical work.
22 And we do have, before a lot of management stuff, 23 management reviews, all of the training that we plan; all 24 thats loaded into the schedule also. So, its really a 25 totally integrated schedule. And it is a very, very MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
37 1 aggressive, its an aggressive schedule.
2 But the quicker that we can take the plant to a 3 point where the head is back on and we can pressurize up, 4 and go around and look for leaks -- were going to repack a 5 hundred valves. So, you know, whenever you repack a 6 hundred valves, you may have some leakage from some of the 7 repacks.
8 The quicker we can do that, the quicker we can go, 9 cut back down and fix these things that need fixed. And 10 the other thing it does, is give us confidence to regulate 11 our public, were coming with a very leak tight plant, a 12 very, very leak tight plant. You know, its not minimum 13 standards, but extremely tight.
14 MR. DEAN: I think that would 15 be an important way to come up.
16 MR. MYERS: Youre exactly 17 right.
18 MR. DEAN: Given the meeting 19 were having tomorrow, talking about the Management Human 20 Performance Plan; can we expect to hear tomorrow more how 21 you expect to assess the efficacy of the plant and how 22 youre going to do that?
23 MR. MYERS: Yes, sir; and 24 also some compensatory measurements we have in place. I 25 could sit here and say, were not quite, have the standards MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
38 1 at levels we would like them to be before we start up, but 2 well have compensatory measures in place to ensure were 3 doing high quality work.
4 For instance, our Engineering Oversight Board will 5 not go away. Well keep that as a permanent part of the 6 process. Its like another barrier that we ensure the 7 quality of that documentation. So, well do some of that.
8 MR. DEAN: The second 9 question I have, it gets to the issue of standards. And 10 the fact that, you know, mentioned 1,300 contractors on 11 site, the challenge that it is to oversee quality work of 12 all these contractors. Do you all have anything in your 13 contract or arrangements that either provides an incentive 14 or disincentive to contractors relative to quality and 15 work?
16 MR. MYERS: Depends on the 17 contractor and the contract. Like this crane job, we pay 18 for that in steps. And sometimes its an incentive. We 19 have, like our building trade, we normally use NPAs for 20 building trades and we have engineering agreements with 21 some of our engineering firms, but the smaller contractors, 22 specialty contractors, typically, not, no.
23 MR. DEAN: Then the last 24 question I have, goes back to the work that you described 25 now I think in terms of major activities. I guess I would MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
39 1 like to get a sense for how much of this work was in your 2 original outage work package and how much have you added 3 either because of moving forward, capital improvements you 4 had planned on the future or have resulted from discovery 5 activities over the past several months?
6 MR. STEVENS: I dont know if I 7 could give you the exact percentages, but I know we first 8 did our Operational Readiness Reviews, we identified some 9 work activities. We needed to go improve system 10 performance.
11 Then, as weve gone through system reviews, we 12 havent really found a whole lot more. I think we found 13 minor stuff and rolled it in, but I think the majority of 14 this work was identified back when we did our System 15 Readiness Reviews in May; about May time frame.
16 So, there is a few since then. And, you mentioned 17 the Service Water Header Expansion. Thats a part of the 18 reviews that are ongoing, so thats popping up. In 19 containment air coolers, were going to go do that after we 20 went in and looked at them. It was just whether or not we 21 could get by or we should upgrade it.
22 MR. DEAN: So, getting back 23 to the original part of that question, which was the 24 original outage work scope package before February or March 25 when the head degradation was discovered, how much has been MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
40 1 added to that?
2 MR. STEVENS: Just about 3 everything.
4 MR. MYERS: About all of it.
5 MR. STEVENS: We had March, March 6 time frame, about 85 to 90 percent of the outage work scope 7 completed, so.
8 MR. DEAN: Okay.
9 MR. MYERS: You know, the 10 plant, you know, like our condenser. Our condenser was 11 probably in decent state, but while were down this long, 12 we have an opportunity to go put a new coating on it. And 13 that includes, that should be reliable in years time. So, 14 we wont have to fight this in another outage, so might as 15 well take advantage of it now.
16 Same thing with the reactor coolant pumps. While 17 were down, we have fuel out of this core so long, rather 18 than just hit and miss, we normally have a packing program, 19 we get a few valves an outage. Were going to go down and 20 repack about a hundred valves. So, were going to work 21 now, as much as, so that should set us up for the long 22 term.
23 MR. DEAN: Okay.
24 MR. STEVENS: I feel like I need 25 to say something to some people in the audience. These MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
41 1 arent bad people doing this work. Its one thing to say, 2 I want it done and I want it done right, and take your time 3 you need to get it done. Thats the big explanation; and 4 then live with that.
5 Some folks may have got caught up in previously 6 being trained that the right thing is to meet the milestone 7 and get everything done to get to some understanding.
8 I dont mean in answering questions that there 9 arent good people at Davis-Besse. They have the right 10 standard. We have to support them, and support what their 11 needs are to get that done right.
12 I just thought I needed to say that, because weve 13 got some good people sitting in the audience that are part 14 of this success at Davis-Besse, and I didnt want you to 15 think that Im the only one or this team is the only team 16 here that has high standards.
17 MR. GROBE: I appreciate 18 that, Mike.
19 And Lew, you commented on the potential of having 20 some compensatory actions in place at the time of restart.
21 The thing that is particularly troubling in the 22 situation is the polar crane, thats why I wanted to 23 explore that a little bit, that your project manager placed 24 schedule over quality. And certainly down at the level of 25 first line supervisor, I would expect prior to restart that MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
42 1 every one of those people is operating at a level that you 2 expect as far as quality standards.
3 You folks are demonstrating, as you have Mike, that 4 you have the right standards, but there is only eight of 5 you, and there is a thousand people working in that plant, 6 so you cant be everywhere all the time. So, were going 7 to need to continue to understand what corrective actions 8 and human performance area are going to be in place at the 9 time of restart, which ones you will have confirmed in fact 10 are effective prior to restart and what role compensatory 11 measures will play.
12 Okay, lets go on.
13 Im sorry, Tony.
14 MR. MENDIOLA: Just one more 15 quick question. Was the polar crane part of a system 16 readiness review?
17 MR. STEVENS: I dont know the 18 answer to that.
19 MR. POWERS: No, I dont think 20 it was ever part of a system readiness review.
21 MR. FAST: We did cover as 22 part of readiness review, the individual crane engineer did 23 present information to our Operation Readiness Review. We 24 had talked about being able to implement the upgrades. So, 25 that was done at the tail end of the Operation Readiness MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
43 1 Review, because I was the chair of that and recall the 2 discussions that we had.
3 MR. MENDIOLA: So, it was a part 4 of another readiness review, not its own readiness review?
5 MR. FAST: Just to take us 6 back in time, I sat on a board looking at system readiness 7 back in May. I had operations, maintenance, engineering 8 representation and had system engineers come and present 9 information. We did look at the polar crane at that time.
10 MR. MENDIOLA: Did you consider 11 the polar crane and understand what it was going to do; I 12 know its the operation of the polar crane to move the 13 head, or only as a self-contained system?
14 MR. FAST: No, as a 15 self-contained system.
16 MR. MYERS: We also knew the 17 head, we had cranes that we brought, we brought in; 18 temporary cranes would be brought in and move stuff off the 19 truck. And we look at the quality of the polar crane now.
20 It doesnt mean -- were upgrading the control panels, the 21 control panels we have removed from our operations. So, we 22 have to work on them, the plug-ins.
23 So, it was a pretty nice upgrade that we bought from 24 this vendor. The material condition of the polar crane 25 does not follow in the footsteps. Its still a very nice MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
44 1 looking crane. Probably better quality than what you can 2 go rent from some vendor on these temporary cranes that you 3 get. Doesnt meet our standards as a permanent piece of 4 plant equipment. I dont want to leave this audience with 5 the thought that that crane is falling apart. Its just 6 not falling apart.
7 MR. GROBE: Okay. Other 8 questions?
9 Jim?
10 MR. POWERS: Okay, thank you, 11 Lew.
12 Im Jim Powers, Engineering Director. I want to 13 talk about an issue that has become apparent over the past 14 several weeks and many of you probably saw it in the 15 press. It relates to the cladding that was on the exposed 16 head due to the boric acid corrosion on the old head. And, 17 we had an ongoing evaluation in a laboratory down in 18 Lynchburg, Virginia that has been underway since the time 19 we cut this sample out of the head at the site.
20 Just to refresh you on what we did. We cut a 21 17-inch diameter piece of that head out, using a water jet 22 process. And, working with NRC review of what we were 23 doing and approval of each step, cut that sample out and 24 quarantined it and sent it down to the laboratory for 25 further evaluation. All those evaluations tests have also MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
45 1 been approved, jointly developed by ourselves and approved 2 by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
3 So, this ongoing process, the laboratory cleaned up 4 the cladding there, and prepared it for further 5 evaluation. One of the things that was found was some 6 cracking on the top surface of the cladding. You can see 7 it there where the arrow is pointing in the picture on the 8 screen. And what weve got is several small cracks that 9 are parallel and they appear to be on the welds leading 10 between two pieces of clad application weld.
11 And when you look at the, initially at this 12 magnification, you can see, based on the ruler that is in 13 view, about a 3/8 inch long crack. Now, we have more 14 detail reports come in since the time this photograph was 15 sent up to us. If you look very closely along that weld 16 seam, it looks like those cracks may extend to about two 17 inches long. Were still in the process of evaluating 18 those cracks and what they mean.
19 The laboratory is looking very carefully at the 20 bottom side of the cladding to see whether they had 21 penetrated the neck or not and is holding the pressure 22 boundary as we had believed, but this does concern us in 23 terms of capability of the cladding; done quite a bit of 24 analysis of that, as you know, and we need to factor this 25 finding into that analysis and revise what weve done MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
46 1 there.
2 And, Ill point out also, that that, this also 3 changes the plans that were going to be going forward on.
4 So, we are bringing metallurgists to bear on this finding 5 to determine what further tests we should do and how we 6 should change the test program, so we got as much 7 information about the cladding as possible, and get a very 8 accurate picture on what its capability was and what those 9 cracks mean, the pressure capability.
10 There was also in the lab was found that the 11 cladding in general was measured there a bit thinner than 12 what we measured when the cladding was in the reactor. And 13 so, we are investigating that to find out what those 14 discrepancies, what the cause of those discrepancies are.
15 We use ultrasonic testing at the site, tape 16 measurements of clad. We also compared it to measurements 17 at Framatone facility in Virginia; with half the Midland 18 head, the Midland being two heads down there; and got very 19 comparable results from those UT measurements, but the 20 laboratory tests are a bit different. Were not sure 21 whats that related to, perhaps some clean up of the 22 sample, and perhaps that affected it, but we need to get to 23 the basis on what those differences are.
24 When we did our assessment capability of the 25 pressure retaining strength of the cladding, we had MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
47 1 analyzed two thicknesses; one was an average as found 2 thickness, which was .297 inches; and the other was a 3 minimum specified allowable thickness from the original 4 design and that was 1/8 of an inch. And we didnt have any 5 areas of 1/8 of an inch, they were .125.
6 We havent seen anything that low in any of the 7 measurements that weve taken either at the site or at the 8 laboratory. So, that minimum case analysis still presents 9 an accurate picture of the clad capability, a very thin, 10 whats assumed to be very thin.
11 So, we know there is more work to be done in this 12 area. This concerns us in terms of what the capability was 13 of that clad.
14 Any questions?
15 MR. MYERS: We found out 16 about this, and really it was a joint effort, but we bore 17 that sample out. We sent it to the lab, and its been an 18 ongoing laboratory research project. As soon as we found 19 this indication, you know, for the public, we picked up the 20 phone and within an hour, let you all know what we found.
21 Its been in the paper somewhat, but we wanted to share the 22 results at this meeting.
23 MS. LIPA: Appreciate that.
24 MR. MYERS: Its going to take 25 some work on the analysis.
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48 1 MR. GROBE: I know youve 2 been working very closely with the chemical laboratory at 3 Lynchburg, Virginia.
4 MR. MYERS: Ill turn it over 5 at this point to Bob Schrauder.
6 MR. SCHRAUDER: Im Director of 7 Support Services at the plant. One of my major roles right 8 now is overseeing the replacement of the reactor vessel 9 head.
10 We have continued to make progress on that. We are 11 somewhat behind schedule, as Mike indicated, largely due to 12 modification and waiting for the crane to be available for 13 us to move the old head out of the reactor; or out of 14 containment and move the new head in.
15 Once we did get the, once we had tested the polar 16 crane and were able to use it, those lifts went very well 17 for us. And as we speak today, the old head has been 18 removed from containment. It is placed in our turbine 19 bay in temporary storage.
20 We are preparing a more, more permanent temporary 21 storage, if you will. While we have the head on site, 22 were going to move it over to the pad that we poured for 23 our dry cast storage some years ago, and were going to 24 construct a temporary building around the head weld and 25 maintain that at the Davis-Besse site, waiting to take some MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
49 1 more samples out.
2 Our new head has been transported into the 3 containment building and has been lifted and set on the 4 reactor head safely inside the containment.
5 Just a comment. It was a major milestone for us 6 that we managed to get that new head in place inside the 7 containment. The crews and the people who had been 8 standing by to make those moves were visibly excited to see 9 the job finally go off.
10 We had prepped them for several days going into the 11 activity. And the cranes were available to lift the head.
12 And people were pleased to see the new head inside 13 containment.
14 The service structure is the next step in the 15 process for us. It is ready for installation on the 16 reactor vessel head. We have repaired the access openings 17 that were cut into the upper portion of the service 18 structure to allow us access into the upper region above 19 the installation when our approach was to attempt to repair 20 the old reactor vessel head.
21 We had to put some temporary openings in there. We 22 have restored those temporary openings. We have taken the 23 surface structure down to bare metal again after that 24 repair and we have repainted the surface structure.
25 The next step along the way will be to lift the MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
50 1 structure, lift the surface structure from its current 2 location, place it on the reactor vessel head itself, and 3 then there is a series of very careful and precise 4 alignments to make sure that that surface structure sits 5 exactly on our new head to allow proper movement of the 6 control rods through that. So, well carefully align it.
7 And, then as we talked about, the massive service 8 structure will be welded onto the lower skirt that sits on 9 the reactor vessel head and we will be bolting it on.
10 Then, well begin the process of bringing back our 11 control rod drive mechanisms and bolting them back onto the 12 head. That in turn will raise up the space that we need to 13 move the reactor cooling pumps off the location. Thats 14 kind of the next step where we will be going with that.
15 Containment restoration is in progress. As Mike 16 talked about before, what we call the door or the large 17 piece of pressure vessel itself which was cut out to allow 18 access into containment has been lowered back into its 19 location, and we will be welding that back into place in 20 the next few days.
21 The other thing we have to weld is the reinforcing 22 bar that, in the concrete shield structure itself, there is 23 a series of bars, as in any reinforced concrete, that will 24 be rewelded back into place, a process that uses cad 25 welders. We began that work yesterday. We expected that MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
51 1 work will probably be complete late this weekend or very 2 early next week.
3 And then of course we go in and pour concrete back 4 into the shield building again, restoring the containment 5 back to its original design specifications. And later on 6 in the process as we complete the rest of the work in the 7 containment building itself; do an integrated leak grade 8 test on the containment building to assure ourselves that 9 it is a leak tight containment pressure vessel itself.
10 Now, this job has gone very well for us, but it has 11 not gone perfectly. The next slide shows a couple of 12 difficulties that weve encountered along the way, caused 13 us some schedule delays.
14 One was simply waiting for piece of equipment that 15 we use to move those heads; that was the polar crane 16 upgrade that Mike has talked about.
17 Then after we had moved the head in, we were 18 preparing to restore the containment. We did have some 19 work practice, following issues that we had to deal with 20 our contractor here. In our preparation for a couple of 21 these activities, we have to do some training, some 22 testing. One of the testing activities that we had to do 23 is, we talked about it before, verifying our concrete 24 supplier was going to give us high quality concrete. And 25 its a way, about an hour away from the plant.
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52 1 So, we had to go through a series of qualifying the 2 concrete, making sure as we bring it onto the site, its 3 transport wont take too long and it will be good concrete 4 when we put it in. And in that process, we noted some 5 failure to follow some of the procedures set up for that 6 testing activity. We identified those earlier. And then, 7 we had identified that on a condition report from our 8 oversight of the project.
9 Then, as we got towards qualifying the welders to 10 this head welding process, they were in training. And one 11 of your inspectors as well as our project managers were in 12 that training, and confirmed that some of the process 13 documents from the manufacturer with specific setup and 14 configuration we were using were not being used in that 15 training.
16 At that point, these issues were coupled or 17 aggravated, Ill say, by quality oversight of the job.
18 Bechtel, our contractor, part of their responsibility was 19 also to provide quality control and quality assurance 20 oversight. Of course, we have our own quality oversight.
21 They were responsible to have their own quality people 22 observing what they were doing.
23 These people were on the job. We had some problems 24 with them not spending enough time specifically at the 25 location inside containment where we wanted them, and also MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
53 1 were in the same class as these categories where this 2 activity was not being done properly and the quality 3 organization is not responding appropriately in our minds.
4 So, at that point, we identified those concerns on 5 another condition report. The contractor in this case 6 stopped all their own work, put together a going-forward 7 plan for us, and included changeouts of personnel. Re --
8 I dont want to call it training, but had a standdown with 9 all the personnel involved with this job; reaffirming the 10 expectations and the need to precisely follow the 11 procedures and to make sure that we were provided with 12 quality trained people.
13 They undertook their corrective actions. They 14 provided us with their plans for going forward. And, we 15 approved that plan and put them back to work on the 16 permanent plan structure.
17 Now, I said that they were, we did get new quality 18 oversight from Bechtel in that process. We also confirmed 19 that none of the work that was done to-date suffered as a 20 result of any of the problems that we had seen. We did 21 verify that there was sufficient quality control 22 oversight.
23 The real job of certain, taking the concrete out, is 24 not, not much to do to harm the rest of the containment 25 there. But in cutting the steel on the pressure vessel MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
54 1 itself, containment pressure vessel, there is some controls 2 that you need to keep by way of keeping that proper heat 3 and stuff. We did have the records to indicate that those 4 heats were maintained, that there was system quality 5 oversight to that, so we confirmed that none of the work 6 that had been done to-date suffered as a result of those.
7 So, thats where were at with that. Next couple of 8 things, just a few pictures. This is kind of an 9 interesting picture where the old reactor head is being 10 transporting out at the same time its going right past the 11 new one coming, on its way in. It was out with the old and 12 in with the new.
13 The old reactor head is covered in blue. That is a 14 temporary paint thats put on the head itself to make sure 15 that the examinations go right on the head during its 16 transport. That was on its way over to the place where we 17 stored it.
18 The next picture shows the new head. Its a work 19 platform. Above it is the opening in containment where the 20 crane is moving the head into the containment.
21 The next picture is --
22 MR. MYERS: Wait a minute, 23 come back. If youll look on the head, thats the polar 24 crane. Thats the crane we rented to make the lift on the 25 outside, but you see the taped off area at the top of the MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
55 1 gray or the top of the head, thats; what are those?
2 MR. SCHRAUDER: Right there, 3 these are the new, this is the lower support of the service 4 structure, and actually the next picture well go to that.
5 This is the reactor vessel head sitting on the stand in the 6 containment. These gray cores that you see here, are the 7 openings that were made into this service structure, lower 8 support service structure, to enable us to do accurate and 9 adequate inspections of this reactor vessel head.
10 The new service structure comes on, will sit right 11 on that ring, on the support skirt and then it will be 12 welded into place there.
13 These things that are covered here, are the bottom 14 flange where the control rod drive mechanisms will be 15 brought over and service structure put on and bolted in 16 place.
17 That is the reactor vessel. The new reactor vessel 18 head is sitting on the stand in containment.
19 Next slide shows the old -- not the old, but the 20 yellow picture up there is our service structure as it was 21 standing on the stand. It is a nice new white coat down 22 there in the lower right hand corner. The service 23 structure is waiting to be lifted and placed on the reactor 24 vessel head.
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56 1 cad welding and placing the rebar and reinforcement bar 2 back to containment. Thats what rebar looks like. The 3 center section here is the piece thats packaged onto the 4 rebar. This is actually in a test rig here.
5 One of the things we had to do is qualify this cad 6 weld while we were doing it. So, we take that in and put 7 it onto a representative piece of the rebar, and then apply 8 pressure to it. And the goal is to have the rebar itself 9 break before this weld apparatus lets loose. In this 10 case, we have a successful activity there where we did 11 break the rebar before the splice was.
12 Questions on the reactor vessel head, and status?
13 MR. GROBE: Nope. Thank 14 you.
15 MR. SCHRAUDER: Okay. The next 16 speaker is Randy Fast.
17 MR. FAST: All right. Thank 18 you, Bob.
19 Myself and Jim Powers both worked on the System 20 Containment Health.
21 Go to the first slide.
22 Weve already talked about a lot of the major 23 projects that we have going on. I just have a couple of 24 items that I want to update in relation to containment 25 health. First of which is our inspections are essentially MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
57 1 completed. Were about 99 percent complete with those 2 inspections.
3 We had some minor areas that were obscured, because 4 of scaffold or something else that have been noted; that 5 detail has been identified and well go back for a 6 subsequent inspection. But the areas are small. We dont 7 think there will be anything significant that comes from 8 those inspections.
9 The good news is as well, we didnt find a lot of 10 different things. Most of the issues are minor in nature.
11 There is some minor surface corrosion in the areas that 12 have to be recovered, but most of those can be recovered by 13 minor maintenance and using the existing work practices.
14 So, we dont see any major challenges in that arena.
15 Next item is the containment sump. And if you just 16 go to the next slide, youll be able to show really a 17 conceptual drawing of what that emergency sump will look 18 like.
19 Took a page from water technology, youll see on the 20 far right toward the bottom is the existing emergency 21 sump.
22 Thank you.
23 Youll see a drilled pipe that connects to that, and 24 goes to what Ill call a boxcar arrangement, which extends 25 the sump surface area from the existing 50 square feet into MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
58 1 an array that actually will go to upwards of 1100 square 2 feet.
3 Because of the flexibility of this design, this will 4 also allow us to extend the sump in the other direction.
5 We dont have that artists rendition here, but it will 6 actually allow us to extend the sump in the other direction 7 around the containment down into the access core that goes 8 under the vessel.
9 So, this is a very flexible design. I think this is 10 really going to add opportunity for the rest of the 11 pressurized water reactors to take a page from the lesson 12 learned here at Davis-Besse. Well share this technology 13 and these ideas, and be able to help others. Actually, 14 improving this margin will put us in the leadership role or 15 at the high end of PWR, Pressurized Water Reactor 16 technology in the surface area. We feel pretty good about 17 what were able to get in the way of containment sump.
18 And the last item I was going to talk about is all 19 the insulation has been removed in the piping systems and 20 containment coatings walkdowns are completed.
21 We do have about 15,000 square feet of surface area 22 that are not qualified coatings. We have a couple 23 options. We can take those coatings and evaluate those for 24 qualification, or we can remove those. And, one of the 25 areas Mike had talked about for flood tanks about 3,000 MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
59 1 square feet each; those coatings will be removed and 2 reapplied with a coating that does meet the standards.
3 Those coatings were existing from the original plant 4 design. So, we do have some, about 15,000 square feet of 5 remediation for coatings in the containment.
6 MR. GROBE: What went into 7 determining the surface area design for the new containment 8 sump? How did you conclude that you needed 1100 square 9 feet?
10 MR. FAST: Lew just said, as 11 big as possible. This is one of the cases where we gain 12 considerable margin. Because this is an industry issue in 13 having available surface area to ensure that through a 14 design basis accident, that water can free flow and provide 15 the net positive suction head necessary for the pump for 16 recirculation. The larger the sump the better, is the 17 bottom line; and it allows a lot more margin for.
18 So, we took existing space that was available in the 19 containment and thats why this, this actual boxcar 20 arrangement provided that flexibility.
21 MR. POWERS: Which also, Jack, 22 there has been some studies on the industry in general or 23 PWRs containment size versus sump size. And we took a look 24 at that, experience benchmarking in other plants and this 25 size will put us at the top, top desk level in terms of MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
60 1 size of sump relative to containment. So, thats another 2 benchmark we used to make sure we had the capacity we 3 needed.
4 MR. GROBE: Just to make sure 5 Im clear. You have not concluded that the original sump 6 size was insufficient to provide net positive suction head 7 for the pumps?
8 MR. POWERS: Let me talk about 9 that. We had a concern as we got into the details to 10 evaluate the sump capability on its size. Its a 11 relatively small sump. And it was designed as were many of 12 the emergency sumps back in the original design of the 13 structure of the plants for 50 percent blockage, and the 14 pumps would have adequate suction through that if it was 50 15 percent blocked. And that was provided in the regulations, 16 that was the requirement, and we followed that.
17 Now, on more recent walkdowns on containment health, 18 including the coatings qualification issue, weve found, 19 and as Randy described, we found that a number of areas we 20 dont have qualified coatings. That includes the four 21 flood tanks, there is some smaller pieces of equipment that 22 need touchup work in the containment, and as well as the 23 coating on the dome of the containment requiring 24 restoration because it was beginning to peal off.
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61 1 come off in an accident-type situation. And thats 2 typically from design basis. Accident with a large break, 3 lot of energy, temperatures, high temperature steam is 4 released, and coating can come loose. And if it is enough 5 flow through the containment of steam and condensed water, 6 that coating debris can get washed down to the containment 7 sump and potentially block it. So, thats what were 8 concerned about.
9 Now, there is a lot of work that goes behind 10 assessing and evaluating that. That leads to the transport 11 theory, in terms of what are the pathways that, where it 12 has to navigate to get down to the sump. There is in many 13 cases a tortuous path that it needs to take.
14 So, were in the process of evaluating the 15 ramifications of the coatings in containment and the size 16 of the sump. And, were looking where we stood relative to 17 the sumps capabilities in the past. In the future, were 18 going to have one of the largest sumps in the industry.
19 And well have quite a bit of margin over the plant.
20 MR. MYERS: You know, really 21 its the coating we talked about. Weve got the qualified 22 coating list, provide some of the coatings on the simple 23 things. If we go to another vendor to get that coating 24 qualified, then the issue is not nearly as big. So, we 25 dont know that it couldnt qualified the coating were MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
62 1 talking about, but the simple thing to do, when you need 2 another coating is take it off and replace it. From a 3 management standpoint, it might be the easiest thing to 4 qualify.
5 MR. GROBE: When you did the 6 containment inspections, did you find any other 7 deficiencies with the sump?
8 MR. POWERS: Yes. There was a 9 couple deficiencies we found in terms of, we found one 10 small opening in the sump that didnt meet its specified 11 criteria. The sump is intended to have quarter inch, 12 screen out quarter inch particles from the suction flow.
13 And we found that an opening, small rectangular opening, I 14 think it was in the range of 3/4 inches wide by 5 or 6 15 inches long. That would not have met that requirement, so 16 thats another, another issue we found with the sump.
17 There was also some work having done in the past 18 that really wouldnt meet our standards today, in terms of 19 closing off other small openings in screens. And this is 20 typically an industry issue where structural steel 21 penetrates through the screens or the screens interface as 22 a box is put together for a sump, there may be openings 23 that are screen size along those interfaces.
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63 1 openings and it doesnt meet our requirements, expectations 2 or standards for modification in containment for the sump.
3 Were going to rectify that along with this 4 modification. So, there is a couple of other issues there 5 that were addressing in terms of health and functional 6 capabilities of the sump and where were at.
7 MR. GROBE: You mentioned 8 insulation removal, when you complete this work, or its 9 completed now, does that mean that all fibrous insulation 10 has been removed from containment?
11 MR. POWERS: I think a large 12 portion of it is going to be removed. Insulation removal 13 is ongoing for continued inspection and pressure boundary 14 of the Reactor Coolant System is part of completing our 15 inspections there. So, that refers to initially going in 16 and engineering replacement of insulation. So, there may 17 be some areas where the established insulation is 18 encapsulated and its nowhere near any pipe break zones or 19 any other events that could break it free. Were going to 20 the major extent, most of the pipe installation will be 21 removed and replaced with alternative insulation that is 22 not fibrous.
23 MR. GROBE: Okay. Thank 24 you.
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64 1 this, but where does this idea, this concept come from?
2 What was its origin?
3 MR. POWERS: Over at the Perry 4 Plant, we put in what was at the time the largest suction 5 strainer in the world during a refueling outage in 1996.
6 That was shortly after Lew arrived at the plant.
7 MR. MYERS: Weve done this 8 before.
9 MR. POWERS: Right, and that 10 was over a hundred feet in diameter. And the containment 11 at Perry, one of the water reactors is quite different than 12 this. There is a water pool at the bottom that the pumps 13 take their suction from, emergency pumps. And we put a 14 strainer there that went all the way around. Some of the 15 engineers affectionately refer to it as a naval strainer.
16 But its over a hundred feet in diameter, over eight 17 pieces weighing four tons each. And we put it in at a 18 refueling outage in 12 days underwater with divers bolting 19 that and putting it into place.
20 So, we have that experience, and we have brought the 21 same engineering organization to bear upon this, same 22 individuals personally containment walk this down; for 23 bringing this perforated screen concept to this, its 24 slightly different, but its the same, same type of 25 concept.
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65 1 MR. MENDIOLA: Its not exactly 2 what I was asking. But what Im saying, somebody had to 3 step up. Some engineer someplace said, hey, look, I have 4 an idea; and offered it to you or your organization and my 5 concept with an understanding of how, a radical move idea 6 like this, germinates to an actual plant modification?
7 MR. POWERS: How the idea goes 8 forth? Really, its looking to see the longstanding 9 issues at the plant, and with experience that weve brought 10 from the outside, what improvements could be made. In 11 talking to the engineers at the plant on various -- that 12 they would like to see improvements, and asking about 13 this. We knew from our experience at Perry that there was 14 an issue with sumps that were being addressed in the 15 industry, and there is a lot of operating experience in the 16 industry.
17 So, there was a looking forward to what is going to 18 evolve. The NRC is setting of course some regulations on 19 that in the near future. And, some of the industry groups; 20 Nuclear Engineering Institute, or Nuclear Energy Institute, 21 has provided guidance on it.
22 Collective significance of all that knowledge on the 23 industry issue led to us going in there and assessing where 24 exactly do we stand and found out that the size of the sump 25 was relatively small relative to the industry peer plants.
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66 1 And so we put one of our plant employees as a project 2 manager to work on coming up with an appropriate solution 3 and we gave him the resource of our outside engineering 4 firm, to provide designs.
5 So, theyve been working in concert and this 6 engineer is going to be able to see his concept come to 7 fruition. Basically, getting behind it and making it 8 happen as priority for safety function.
9 MR. SCHRAUDER: The sequence 10 of events, Tony, was we identified we wanted to increase 11 the size of the sump. That was the first idea. Then set a 12 team of engineers in place to say, go look at some options 13 to see how we can be able to increase the size of the sump.
14 And they looked at several opportunities to increase the 15 size, increase the pit size, opening up some more areas on 16 containment.
17 One of the persons on the team came up with the 18 arrangement of how we should increase the size of the 19 sump.
20 MR. MENDIOLA: I take it this has 21 been months in the making, years in the making, since the 22 first of the year?
23 MR. POWERS: I would say we 24 have been working for several months on this one.
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67 1 person. We brought some stuff in from Perry Plant that we 2 had done. We had an engineering firm there. We were 3 talking about the issues and industry experience. I think 4 it was a team effort.
5 MR. POWERS: Right, talking 6 with the people at the site, how they felt about it, 7 looking back on it, and where we stood. So, it was a team 8 effort.
9 MR. MYERS: It was a good 10 team effort. There isnt one person you can point to. It 11 was a team effort. We had the engineering firm together 12 and everybody sat in a room and this is what we hammered 13 out.
14 MR. POWERS: The nice feature, 15 although it hasnt been going on for a long time, its made 16 up of perforated pieces of pipe, stainless steel pipe that 17 we bolted together. So, a large amount can be built in the 18 shop in a controlled environment and shipped to the site.
19 MR. MYERS: Pretty neat.
20 MR. GROBE: Okay. Okay.
21 MR. FAST: With that, Ill 22 turn it over to Jim talking about System Health Plan.
23 MR. POWERS: The System Health 24 Plan, we had talked at the last meeting about the walkdowns 25 coming to completion. At that time, they were just about MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
68 1 complete and we have completed those walkdowns and that was 2 by multi-disciplined teams of maintenance, mechanics and 3 engineers, operators, system engineers and management 4 members going out and walking down systems.
5 We have our 31 reviews ongoing is what we refer to 6 as Maintenance Significant Systems, System Health Readiness 7 Review level. And those reviews, theyre ongoing, making 8 good progress. Each system engineer of the systems had 9 several experienced contractors from the outside that have 10 gone through plant reviews such as this supporting, and 11 theyre going through the past work orders, modifications 12 and corrective actions in our system, to assure themselves 13 that the right thing has been done; and if not, we have 14 questions about it and document it on a CR and Corrective 15 Action Program for evaluation.
16 And thus far, we have had 500 of those questions in 17 the Corrective Action Program, that the Restart Safety 18 Review Board has categorized as restart related requiring 19 evaluation prior to restart.
20 We have a pretty low threshold for issues.
21 Walkdowns, we found a number of small issues. I talked 22 about them the last time. Areas of the plant where there 23 may be some rust. It is a 25-year-old plant. So, there is 24 some areas where refurbishment would be recommended, some 25 cleanliness issues.
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69 1 There is also a few issues where we needed to make 2 changes to restore operability. So, we had the full gambit 3 of small housekeeping observations to equipment issues.
4 And, good thing about the whole process was we have teams 5 of people working together to find out what standard they 6 had been living to and was it really acceptable to them 7 collectively when they got out as a team. They found no.
8 It was easy for them to write down things they felt 9 were areas for improvement, and we got positive feedback 10 even from the maintenance people on the teams. They 11 thought it was very worthwhile to get together with some of 12 their other peers, working together. Were going to carry 13 that forward into a future requirements over at the 14 Davis-Besse Plant and other FENOC stations to do these type 15 of walkdown reviews.
16 We have five of the System Reviews have been 17 completed by the responsible engineers and their teams. Of 18 those, there is four reports that were prepared and sent to 19 the Engineering Assessment Board. Two of the reports were 20 approved in terms of their comments noted on those, are 21 being incorporated now, but they passed muster through that 22 review board.
23 Two of the other reports need further work before 24 they go entirely through the board. One is getting, 25 addressed to get prepared for the board. Its issues like MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
70 1 format, consistency and looking at this work for several of 2 these, were trying to get comments on these, taking these 3 back to the other reports ongoing.
4 So, were at the beginnings of issuing out the 5 product. We have to go to the Engineering Assessment Board 6 and Comments Incorporated. Then, they will go through 7 validation process where an independent team will look 8 through them to see if they meet procedures provided to 9 you. And tell us what were going to do. When they 10 believe theyre completely correct, it goes to a Restart 11 Management Team, which ultimately recommends approval of 12 these reports. And then theyll be available for your 13 inspection.
14 So, were beginning to see that process now, and 15 continuing that. I think its bearing fruit in terms of 16 improvement to the plant and raising the standards.
17 Next on Program Review?
18 MR. MYERS: Yes.
19 MR. POWERS: Approximately 70 20 percent overall completion is how I characterize where 21 were at. As you know, we have two levels of system 22 reviews; the 31 systems were talking here; the 23 maintenance, our working system.
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71 1 sampling, digging down to things like calculations and 2 design basis. And those are going along pretty well also.
3 And overall, I would say our effort is about 70 percent 4 through.
5 Weve done an assessment recently on how well were 6 doing in terms of staying on track, because we do have 7 multiple teams working on individual systems. We want to 8 make sure we have consistent quality, consistent 9 expectation of driving into the documentation and following 10 threads on issues that are found. So, weve some 11 individuals, experienced individuals, who are planning 12 recovering items and assessments and we think were doing 13 pretty well.
14 Reinforcing the people of quality. Its important, 15 important to schedule. We want to make sure quality gets 16 incorporated completely into the effort. Were looking at 17 our management team every day to what we can do to provide 18 resource, remove obstacles and barriers to get the work 19 done on the schedule, but with the appropriate quality.
20 So, thats what were, thats what were about.
21 In terms of issues, there is tremendous smaller 22 issues. Were looking at those. Were looking at those 23 from a microsignificant standpoint of getting into 24 evaluation of the issues to see, see that there is, if 25 there is anything major.
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72 1 One of the ones I wanted to talk about was tornado 2 missle protection. I think I touched upon it in the last 3 meeting. This would show a typical issue that weve come 4 up with in the plant, and given this plant is 25 years 5 old.
6 This is the missle shield thats over in exhaust, an 7 exhaust pipe, if you will, from diesel generator at the 8 plant. And during the system health walkdowns, it was 9 found that the attachments on the parapet on the building 10 roof, there was some standing was cracked and it was 11 falling, probably from water intrusion and freeze/thaw, 12 cracking in the concrete.
13 So, that is not acceptable. Thats not standard we 14 want to abide by when were out there in the plant. So, 15 thats being addressed, and resolved.
16 Were also, as we address this, were looking at a 17 broader picture on our tornado protection features at the 18 plant and looking more broadly on how we stand at tornado 19 missle protection. And we have that up to par the way we 20 want that, to importance of license basis and sign basis of 21 the plant. There is more work in that area.
22 MR. GROBE: Jim, missle 23 shield is a concept that we talk about all the time. Folks 24 in the audience might not understand what youre talking 25 about. These are not SCUD missles. Lets talk about what MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
73 1 a missle shield is.
2 MR. POWERS: Right. At the 3 nuclear plants, we design in case of a tornado, a tornado 4 can pick up missles like, that might be lumbar thats 5 around the plant, or trees or fencing, or you know, youve 6 been out in the tornado damage. Well, were designed for 7 the maximum credible tornado in the area to withstand that 8 in the plant for safety systems. So, they have barriers 9 over them to protect them from tornado missles.
10 So, thats what this is. And, thats what tornado 11 missles is about. Thank you.
12 Okay, the next slide.
13 I talked about recent assessments of how were doing 14 with System Reviews and work is on track according to the 15 plant. Were essentially answering the right questions, 16 working our way completely through the plants. We do have 17 some issues Ill touch on briefly. Were several days 18 behind, and as I mentioned, we work with this every day to 19 see what we can do to help the teams be successful, get the 20 work done, high quality for the plant. Targeting the 21 schedule we would like it to be.
22 A couple of technical issues well be working on 23 thats been identified, our Aux. Feedwater System. There 24 is strainers in there to pump function. There is a 25 function in the system that would be provided from not in MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
74 1 its normal source within the plant concept system, but 2 from the Service Water System.
3 And service water to the systems take outside pond 4 water, if you refer to, refer to it that way. And, process 5 it through the system. And that, those pipes can sometimes 6 collect silt and dirt, and there was a concern identified 7 that its not used very frequently, so that supply may need 8 to be cleaned to make sure its clean and wont block the 9 strainer; and also inside the strainer, whether that needs 10 changed.
11 Another one is HELB stands for High Energy Line 12 Break. In the plant, we look at our high energy line, a 13 200 pound PSI pressure lines, and if they were to break, 14 for some reason, what would happen. And we protect all 15 throughout the plant the important equipment should that 16 happen sometime.
17 And the calculation basis of that is the engineers 18 going through and looking at this. This is part of the 19 System Reviews. Looking at this type of detail, how, what 20 state of calculations are easily retrievable. They 21 reference each other well. Theyve been kept up-to-date.
22 They meet todays standards for analyses and calculations.
23 And there is areas in here, collective significance 24 of some of the issues that theyve found. Well be going 25 through those calcs.
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75 1 Thats kind of, two typical problems that we 2 identified. We think what weve seen so far the restart 3 activities that are being accomplished in the plant. The 4 corrective action documents that were issuing; issuing a 5 number of them every day as we go through here and finish 6 up with them. We do them, and turning our attention to 7 evaluate them, not only individually, but collectively what 8 they mean, and putting resource on them.
9 Its going to be a process of discovery, as we then 10 go with a problem thats been identified, research it, 11 determine what needs to be done to fix it. Some things may 12 be a minor matter of work. Some things may need more 13 work. So, were getting that done in the plant. Determine 14 that, and find a lot of resource on that to make sure that 15 happens.
16 Questions?
17 MR. GROBE: Any questions?
18 MR. DEAN: Jim, I had a 19 couple questions. One is going through the System Health 20 Plan Reviews and working with the staff, is I think a good 21 opportunity for you all to reinforce your message regarding 22 standards.
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76 1 nonrestart item?
2 MR. POWERS: Bob could 3 answer that.
4 MR. SCHRAUDER: I chair the 5 Restart Station Review Board and it is our charge to review 6 all of those documents that have come out for whether they 7 are classified as restart or not.
8 What were doing as far as the corrective actions 9 go; we categorize them as either being specifically 10 addressed on the O350 criteria. Thats table one.
11 Table two is a series of related things to deal with 12 nuclear safety, radiation protection, reliability of the 13 plant, a couple of other activities. And then there is 14 another category, there is minor maintenance does impact 15 the functionality of the system, some minor issues.
16 Were taking each of the CR that comes out on a 17 daily basis. We put it back to the first day of the 18 outage, an issue for. And myself, and the production, what 19 I call the production managers at the plant, that is the 20 operations manager, the design engineering manager, plant 21 engineering manager, radiation techs manager and 22 maintenance manager sit on a daily basis, go through those 23 lists and see how they match up with those two tables.
24 Were also looking at work orders, at all the open 25 work orders. Were looking at determining whether they are MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
77 1 needed to be done prior to restart. How they impact the, 2 potentially impact the functionality of the system. Are 3 they on-line work? Are they just old issues that weve 4 decided we want to get done?
5 The work orders weve categorized as a series of one 6 hundred, two hundred, three hundred, four hundred; lets 7 take one hundred; those represent issues that are again 8 identified as part of the head issue and the review 9 process.
10 Two hundreds are as management just said, we are 11 going to complete these prior the restart and we are 12 willing to hold up the restart if theyre not completed.
13 Three hundred are a lot of less significant issues 14 that were saying, well, were down right now. We have the 15 work force here that we have. We would like to get as many 16 of these tests accomplished as possible, but we do have 17 some flexibility. If they dont get done, we can come back 18 to them before restart and decide whether we can complete 19 them or not.
20 And four hundred, are items that are on-line work 21 activities that arent impacting the systems capability, 22 and they can be scheduled for after the outage.
23 Thats kind of the process weve been through.
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78 1 are written, we first categorized whether the evaluation 2 itself on that condition needs to be done prior to 3 restart. Then, for all of those that we evaluated prior to 4 restart, well go through a similar process to determine 5 the corrective actions that come out of those evaluations 6 need to be done; which ones need to be done prior to 7 restart and which ones can be scheduled after the plant is 8 restarted.
9 MR. DEAN: So, the decision 10 making process is really an expert panel chaired by 11 yourself and other key managers of the various departments?
12 MR. SCHRAUDER: Thats right. And 13 we also have, we do have an expert on the panel with us, 14 that is going through these. And QA organization 15 frequently comes in and observes our process and monitors 16 how were doing.
17 MR. DEAN: Second issue I 18 want to raise.
19 MR. MYERS: Can I have a 20 moment?
21 MR. DEAN: Go ahead.
22 MR. MYERS: One of the things 23 that weve done --
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79 1 that were done at our other plants in FENOC, and weve 2 institutionalize here, we do a restart assessment with the 3 senior management team, why we should restart. And well 4 do that prior to, before ourself.
5 And, usually that meeting will last a couple days 6 and well bring in various groups, including a private 7 panel, and do an assessment of our overall work outstanding 8 and work we got done, are our departments ready to support 9 restart, our training weve done. And so before we ever 10 move up into Mode 4, well sit down for a couple days and 11 do that overall assessment in an integrated manner, until 12 we feel comfortable that were prepared to go forward.
13 So, thats something we havent done at this stage 14 of the process.
15 MR. DEAN: The second issue I 16 wanted to raise, you talked about the System Health 17 Reviews, but there is also, you didnt provide any 18 information that I saw on five or unless theyre included 19 under the five maintenance system reviewed, the latent 20 issues review?
21 MR. POWERS: Those reviews are 22 going forward. They, the team is making good progress 23 there. Were finding some other issues. In the case of 24 those, were digging into design basis. Were finding some 25 issues there in terms of calculations and how they can be MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
80 1 cross-referenced.
2 Were looking to testing programs that have been 3 done for the systems and how well they are linked to the 4 design basis calculations and licensing basis. And, were 5 finding issues in those areas. And as we get those 6 Condition Reports in, well be evaluating that 7 collectively, see what the overall picture is. That were 8 making pretty good progress, you know, we found some issues, 9 nothing, nothing great.
10 MR. DEAN: I guess my 11 question there, it would seem to me that the latent issue 12 review would be the process by which you would determine if 13 you had other systems, safety systems that were impacted, 14 similarly reactor vessel head was impacted, due to the 15 determination of latent type issues. So, I was wondering 16 if you would see anything that would replicate that pattern 17 or have some of those factors that youve seen?
18 MR. POWERS: No, we havent 19 seen anything, we havent seen anything specific yet. I 20 talked a little earlier the fact on that line, line break 21 calculation, collective significance. That would be one of 22 those cross-cutting issues.
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81 1 calculations, needs to be improved or not. So, we are 2 seeing that sort of thing, but a couple cases like that.
3 Program is giving us that type of information.
4 MR. GROBE: Thanks, Bill.
5 That was an excellent question. It brought to mind 6 something I think I wanted you to talk about.
7 Could you talk a little bit about the pipe stress 8 issue that you identified on service water and containment 9 air cooler impact?
10 MR. POWERS: Right. On the 11 containment air coolers, which are in containment, and 12 weve talked about those in past meetings. We are 13 replacing the containment air cooler coils, which are like 14 radiators. And they cool the containment air, keep it 15 cool; and they run service water through the coils, kind of 16 like a radiator in a car.
17 And they were degrading because of the Boron in the 18 area containment getting on the cool phase, and into the 19 piping. And so we replaced those, were upgrading to 20 stainless steel and were providing more easily inspection 21 of the cleanliness of the inside of them.
22 What part of the specification process is going 23 through the engineering to put in the new coils, we 24 developed some questions on the past design in the area of 25 these coils. In that the, the annulus, I assume that the MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
82 1 nozzle connection from the piping to the coil, thats 2 basically the bolt to flange connection, was very flexible 3 and that thermal growth in a high temperature condition in 4 containment, thermal growth of piping pushing against those 5 nozzles would be acceptable.
6 Our engineer is looking at that now, to question 7 that input. So, were getting good detail in terms of 8 fitting, looking for whats been done in the past, not just 9 accepting things as they are, but questioning them.
10 In this case, there is a question on that. We think 11 nature nozzles were stiffer than what was assumed in the 12 past analysis of the old coils and were evaluating now 13 what that means. They may have been overstressed from a 14 code op, stress standpoint, but they may have been 15 functional in terms of some defamation, but maintaining 16 functional capabilities, structural integrity.
17 So, were evaluating that captured in the corrective 18 action process, Jack, and thats what that issue is about, 19 an issue we found. And were addressing it both past 20 operability concerns, plus looking forward on that. Weve 21 changed the design of those manifold through pipe 22 connection coils. Weve made it much more easy to access 23 and inspect cleanliness inside the piping and now were 24 looking at probably adding flexible hose fashion, so there 25 is very little thermal stress.
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83 1 MR. GROBE: Any questions?
2 Before we move onto Clark, I think you were ready to 3 move on; is that correct?
4 MR. POWERS: Yes, Im ready to 5 introduce Clark Price to talk about Performance Indicators.
6 MR. GROBE: Before we do that, 7 why dont we take a five minutes break. Its 5 to 4 8 according to my watch. Lets be back at 5 after. Okay, 9 thank you.
10 (Off the record.)
11 MR. GROBE: I had a couple of 12 questions during the break regarding the board. I want to 13 emphasize that the technical issue with the crane were not 14 uniquely safety significant. The issue that Mike Stevens 15 identified was a workmanship quality issue, more than it 16 was a safety concern with the crane itself.
17 The reason I spent some time on that issue was not 18 so much the importance of the deficiencies with the crane, 19 it was more the root cause, as the individual worker 20 commitment to quality and supervision of the workers in the 21 field. The fact that it took Mike Stevens, the senior 22 management out in the field to identify the concern; thats 23 the good news. The bad news is, it was there.
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84 1 particularly safety standard.
2 Why dont we get on to Clark.
3 MR. PRICE: Thank you, Jack.
4 Good afternoon. My name is Clark Price. Im the 5 Manager for Business Services at Davis-Besse for the 6 Restart Plan. I am the owner of the Restart Action Plan.
7 As youve heard, were making good progress towards 8 our restart, but we also have many challenges ahead and the 9 next slide Ill show will demonstrate that.
10 One of my responsiblities as owner of the Restart 11 Action Planning Process is to maintain a set of performance 12 indicators for the Davis-Besse Restart Management Team.
13 To both assess our progress towards restart, and also to 14 monitor a number of performance improvement areas that we 15 have targeted in our restart efforts.
16 The first slides we chose for todays presentation 17 will monitor our progress on three of the building block 18 areas that we discussed today. The restart actions that 19 well talk about are those conditions that we have found 20 through many inspections and reviews that need evaluation 21 and correction prior to restart.
22 And Bob Schrauder explained what the Restart Station 23 Review Board does in the evaluation of those activities.
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85 1 stop me at any time; and myself, or one of the panel 2 members will try to address them. Otherwise, Ill keep 3 going through them.
4 This first performance measure tracks our Extent of 5 Condition Reinspection on the containment for the Boric 6 Acid conditions. And as you can see and Randy talked about 7 earlier in his discussions on containment, we are just 8 about completed now with those reinspection activities.
9 So, this marks a very major milestone in our efforts for 10 the extent of condition as a result of the, the head 11 issue.
12 This next performance measure, performance indicator 13 tracks our Open Containment Health Restart Actions. One of 14 the things that weve done differently this time from the 15 last presentation, I need to point out at this time, is 16 that we removed the corrective actions from this 17 performance indicator. We had both the corrective, the 18 Condition Reports and the corrective actions. We were 19 trying to combine them on performance indicators for 20 overall restart actions. It got way too complicated and we 21 werent able to monitor it well. So, we broke those two 22 part.
23 This particular indicator here is looking at 24 Condition Reports that have been generated from all the 25 inspection activities as a result of the inspections in MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
86 1 containment. As you can see here, we have over five 2 hundred Condition Reports.
3 The latest activity you see with the dark bars in 4 the chart represent the reinspection activities that are 5 going on as well as coating inspection activities going on 6 for the last several weeks. As you can see now, the 7 inspection findings and the condition, of course, is 8 starting to drop off in that area.
9 The next performance indicator is our System Health 10 Readiness Reviews.
11 MR. GROBE: Clark, before you 12 go on. Each conditional report may have several corrective 13 actions that are necessary to resolve it.
14 MR. PRICE: Yes, Im glad you 15 stopped me here. There is one thing I failed to mention.
16 One of the things that we had done with our restart 17 actions, as you can see, our pile got quite high with 18 Condition Reports. On each of these three Building Blocks 19 Ill be discussing here, the restart station, our senior 20 management team has assigned project managers for each of 21 these. And, they are responsible for working, putting 22 together the plans and getting necessary resources to work 23 these Condition Reports off.
24 Jack, what was your specific question? I failed to 25 answer it.
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87 1 MR. GROBE: Corrective actions 2 necessary.
3 MR. PRICE: Oh, yes. Its 4 part of that, as a matter of fact, the project manager who 5 discussed this at the last senior management team meeting 6 discussed about six corrective actions will come out of 7 these Condition Reports on average. With about four of 8 those corrective actions actually resulting in field 9 activities.
10 MR. GROBE: Okay.
11 MR. PRICE: You can give an 12 idea how that will expand.
13 MR. GROBE: Okay, thank you.
14 MR. MYERS: Again, there is a 15 lot of these corrective actions in groups, like something, 16 or one work order, could be a whole bunch at one time.
17 MR. PRICE: This also 18 represents the Condition Reports. As Bob Schrauder mention 19 earlier, weve been very conservative in our application of 20 restart required classifications relative to the Condition 21 Reports that come out of all the inspection activities.
22 Our next phase will be looking at the corrective 23 actions and then also finding restart criteria to the 24 corrective actions. And some of these corrective actions 25 may or may not be required before restart, but a fair MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
88 1 number of them will be.
2 In the System Health Readiness Review area; as Jim 3 discussed earlier, Jim Powers, we have completed two 4 reviews, our first two reviews now. And they are going 5 through validation process and they will be ready for 6 inspection by the NRC.
7 In the small box there you can see that we have a 8 number of them, these are in various phases they go 9 through, so there is a lot of work going on in the System 10 Readiness Review area with 25 of those that have been 11 scoped out to be Engineering Assessment Board; five are 12 actually ready for the Engineering Assessment Board review; 13 and two of those that have actually gone through the 14 review. So, eventually, the far right box in the right 15 will fill up to the 31 counts of service, which this is 16 completed; all inspection reviews are completed.
17 The next slide shows all the efforts of the System 18 Health Readiness Reviews. Offhand, also the Latent Issues 19 Reviews. Also, what falls in here, should note is the 20 Operational Readiness Reviews that were done earlier in the 21 year. All of those have been formulated into Condition 22 Reports for corrective action. But these Condition Reports 23 here now again, were developed with in excess level of five 24 hundred Condition Reports that have been identified as 25 walkdowns and reviews, part of the Restart Action Plans MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
89 1 underneath the System Health Building Block.
2 You can see from this graph another thing that these 3 graphs are helping us to see, in the dark bars in the graph 4 are the incoming Condition Reports each week. And, about 5 three weeks ago, we see that we peaked out as the 6 inspections and walkdowns were being completed and 7 Condition Reports were being generated as a result of 8 those, that happened in the last three or four weeks.
9 Now were seeing that tapering off. So, we believe 10 were well getting through the discovery phase on this.
11 Although the Latent Issues Reviews, which are probably the 12 area where Bob would say 50 percent complete right now, we 13 still generate some Condition Reports going forward.
14 Again, we have a project manager now assigned to 15 work on these directly associated with getting the 16 resources and putting together a plan to work down the 17 Condition Reports to get those evaluations completed and 18 corrective actions identified for System Health.
19 In the program area graph here today is representing 20 Phase One Program Reviews. This is the Program Reviews; 21 were doing 66 of these. And, what this graph represents 22 is that we have completed now 15 of those reviews. They 23 have gone through the Program Review Board and approved as 24 ready for restart by the Program Review Board. So, were 25 making good progress on that.
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90 1 There are another 17 that have been conditionally 2 approved by the Program Review Board, but they will require 3 going back to the board for final approval before we take 4 credit for them.
5 MR. GROBE: You just said 6 something, Clark, that confused me. Let me make sure Im 7 understanding this correctly. Ive looked at, I cheated 8 and I looked ahead a couple pages too. I would describe 9 all of these as discovery activities, meaning completing 10 inspections, completing reviews to discover whatever 11 problems you think you need to fix. You just said that 12 with the Phase One Program Reviews, those that have been 13 completed are ready for restart, but theyre corrective 14 actions that came out of these reviews, right?
15 MR. PRICE: With the program 16 reviews in this population of Phase One, the 15 that are 17 ready for restart, there were Condition Reports that did 18 come out of those potentially; however, none of the 19 Condition Reports in those 15 were required to be completed 20 prior to restart.
21 MR. GROBE: Okay. Were those 22 less extensive programs, less significant programs, is that 23 why -- I would have expected the Condition Reports out of 24 each of these reviews out of more complicated programs 25 rather than just fix before we start.
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91 1 MR. PRICE: There is an 2 initial recommendation made by the Program Review Board and 3 the Restart Station Review Board then goes through the 4 condition report, and either confirms or may disagree with 5 that classification. The two boards get together and when 6 there is any dissension, and come to a decision on that.
7 These could be more significant or less significant 8 programs. I cant really tell you the population of 15, 9 however they were determined by the Program Review Board to 10 be ready for restart.
11 MR. GROBE: Why dont you 12 go to the next slide.
13 Im sorry. Bob?
14 MR. SCHRAUDER: A lot of the 15 findings, Jack, coming out of the Program Review that are 16 being documented on the CRs are in fact recommendations for 17 enhancing the program, not necessarily a fault in the 18 program, but an opportunity to improve the program. And 19 those are being asked for the condition reporting process 20 and tracking.
21 We had things in there like you have a primary 22 program owner, but not a backup to that program. Owners of 23 the program should leave tomorrow, you dont have somebody 24 waiting in the wings to step into that. Thats one that we 25 would not categorize as required for restart, but good MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
92 1 enhancement to the program.
2 MR. GROBE: Why dont you go 3 on to the next slide.
4 MR. PRICE: Again here, we 5 have the Open Program Compliance Restart Actions. Again, 6 these are coming out of the Phase One Program Reviews and 7 the Phase Two Program Reviews.
8 As you can see here, we have in excess of 140 that 9 are currently open. One of the things we see happening in 10 this area of the programs, is as we were writing Condition 11 Reports theyre also going, theyre being evaluated kind 12 of an as we go basis. So, weve had over two hundred 13 Restart Condition Reports identified. Were around 50 to 14 60 of those have already been evaluated and corrective 15 actions identified out of them.
16 So, this performance measure is showing us that, 17 again, were kind of getting through the large review 18 phase. Were seeing that drop off a little bit, and were 19 also seeing an increase in evaluations. So, thats one of 20 the things Senior Management Team is going to be focusing a 21 lot of attention on. As a matter of fact, probably on a 22 weekly basis, well be preparing the project managers on 23 these three areas to discuss, make sure they have the 24 resources and getting problems out of the way that they 25 have evaluating these Condition Reports.
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93 1 MR. DEAN: Clark, this is 2 something that triggered in my mind relative to what youre 3 tracking here. The items that are captured under the out 4 portion, does that indicate that corrective actions have 5 been identified and not completed or corrective actions 6 have been identified and completed?
7 MR. PRICE: Theyre only 8 identified in this particular chart. We have another chart 9 that well track corrective actions.
10 Okay. This particular chart here now is showing the 11 total restart actions that we have for the plant, have 12 identified through the process to-date. And as you can 13 see, there is over 1400 Condition Reports now are in the 14 evaluation phase and are required to be evaluated prior to 15 restart. And a number of those will require corrective 16 actions that will come out of those that will be required 17 before restart.
18 As you can see here too on the dark bars down below, 19 we have gone through our peak, what we believe is our peak; 20 again, because of the inspections, walkdowns and reviews 21 that have been going on, were seeing that those numbers 22 reduce, which is good, but we also now start seeing the 23 lighter bar, which is the evaluations increase a rather 24 significant rate, because as you can see, we have quite a 25 workoff here that we have to accomplish. Thats our MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
94 1 challenge.
2 MR. MYERS: If we dont turn 3 this curve down, we can not operate this plant. Im sure 4 you understand.
5 MR. PRICE: Okay. The next 6 three performance indicators are looking more for 7 performance in what weve classified or put in our charts 8 as Organizational Readiness, Human Performance Readiness 9 area. This first chart here is looking at the 10 self-identification rate in our condition reporting 11 process. Let me explain that just for a second.
12 Our self-identified Condition Reports are those that 13 are identified by workers or management, and are identified 14 before they become really a problem; ends up lending itself 15 to us. Something also in nonidentified pile would be our 16 Quality Assessment Organization, if they discover and write 17 a Condition Report on something, that goes into the 18 nonself-identified. Also any kind of NRC inspection or 19 IMPO inspection or any material assessment would be done, 20 would be certainly not self-identified.
21 So, our goal in this particular performance member 22 is keep identification rate in excess of 80 percent through 23 restart. And were doing fairly well in that area right 24 now, but we have to keep our eye on this, because we have 25 had a huge population of Condition Reports that have been MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
95 1 through a self-identification process, theyre Building 2 Blocks. And as those now start tapering down, we have to 3 make sure were continuing to keep that performance.
4 MR. MENDIOLA: Quick question.
5 On the number of Condition Reports that you have measured 6 here, how many of them would you estimate are contractor 7 identified?
8 MR. PRICE: Contractor 9 identified?
10 MR. MYERS: What do you mean?
11 MR. MENDIOLA: Found by 12 contractors, rather than plant staff.
13 MR. MYERS: We have 14 contractors in the system walkdowns.
15 MR. MENDIOLA: I understand.
16 MR. MYERS: Are you including 17 those?
18 MR. MENDIOLA: Just to get an 19 estimate of how many are from your contractors?
20 MR. MYERS: I dont know.
21 MR. SCHRAUDER: I dont have that 22 breakdown, if were identifying by contractors. We are 23 getting, contractors are identifying issues and are using 24 the Corrective Action Program, but like Lew said, on a 25 large percentage of the walkdowns that are being done on MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
96 1 the System Health Reviews, so the percentage right now is 2 going to be very high, much higher than our typical 3 organization, because thats what weve got the people out 4 doing, is specifically looking for these and the 5 documentation process is the CR.
6 MR. THOMAS: The process is 7 once they identify issues under the restart programs, 8 thats a part of them, that they issue a Condition Report 9 when they find a problem; is that correct? I guess Im 10 curious, maybe this is what Tonys asking, is if you have 11 contractors that arent working toward, or working the 12 procedures directly, direct them to initiate Condition 13 Reports when they find deficiencies, how many Condition 14 Reports do they generate? Do you have any idea?
15 MR. SCHRAUDER: No.
16 MR. THOMAS: They actively 17 contribute to the business of Corrective Action Program, 18 though?
19 MR. MYERS: Oh, yeah.
20 MR. DEAN: I think why this 21 is kind of a pertinent question. In some of our earlier 22 discussions we had this afternoon, we talked about the 23 large number of contractors, we had an issue with 24 contractor standards; and one of the things that would 25 indicate to you whether the contractors are operating to MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
97 1 your standards are whether they are inputting into your 2 Corrective Action System issues. So, I think thats what 3 Tonys question is.
4 MR. MYERS: Some of the major 5 contractors, typically, they did very well. I dont know 6 the number. We can go over, work one out.
7 MR. GROBE: One more 8 observation in this Performance Indicator. Its good that 9 its above 80 percent, but Im not sure I can translate 10 that to the health of the organization, for two reasons; 11 one, is youre only out there finding problems. Youre in 12 the discovery phase. So, it would be very surprising if it 13 was lower than what it is. Secondly, large number of the 14 staff, as these guys have pointed out, are not your staff, 15 theyre contractors, theyve just specifically been brought 16 in, because they have experience and capability in this 17 area. So, its over the next couple of months, that will 18 be the swerve, if that number stays up there.
19 Its interesting to me how you define 20 self-identification. Let me ask a question or two. If an 21 operator goes out and finds a fitting on something thats 22 wrong; is that a self-identified? Okay. What if that 23 instrument was recently worked on by maintenance? It 24 might be self-identified that the operator found it, but 25 its a maintenance deficiency that maintenance work wasnt MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
98 1 performed correctly and it wasnt found during the 2 post-maintenance test. How do you handle something like 3 that?
4 MR. STEVENS: Self-identified.
5 MR. MYERS: Its 6 self-identified. Put a note on, this is for management to 7 look at.
8 MR. GROBE: Weve talked 9 about this before, but our inspections, as Christine 10 mentioned, we have five inspections with upwards of 15 to 11 20 people going on right now. Those inspections are going 12 to focus in a number of areas sequential, first looking at 13 the activities that youve planned and youre 14 accomplishing; then doing an independent inspection to 15 confirm not only the results of our evaluation of watching 16 your people do work, but independently confirm that we 17 agree that their outcome is correct, but also look at the 18 performance indicators in each area and all identity of 19 those performance indicators and whether they tell you what 20 you think theyre telling you, and we agree those are 21 items.
22 As we do our inspections, the Human Management 23 Performance Management Team that was on site last week will 24 be looking at these types of issues to be sure the 25 performance indicators you have appear to be valid and also MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
99 1 that theyre sufficient to give a correct picture of what 2 youre trying to identify.
3 MR. MYERS: I think, right 4 now with all the walkdowns, we know, we try to say, we know 5 that this is good. We dont know that were that good yet, 6 you know. If we can hold this high a level, as we reduce 7 contractor staff, complete our system reviews, program 8 reviews, that would be better to tell us. Right.
9 MR. PRICE: Okay, this next 10 Performance Indicator we have is on Root Cause Quality. We 11 discussed this last month. This is just a continuation 12 now. What we have, what were looking for in restart 13 goals, is a positive trend towards our long term goal of 90 14 percent approval rate by the Corrective Action Review 15 Board.
16 This performance measure basically assesses whether 17 or not the evaluations are meeting the standards, the 18 requirements of the procedure and the standards set by the 19 Corrective Action Review Board of which Randy Fast chairs.
20 Right now were seeing a bit of plateau in that 21 area, over the period of the restart period where were 22 tracking, were seeing a positive trend, but we need to see 23 that still continue to climb.
24 MR. GROBE: Is this like a 25 rolling average or something?
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100 1 MR. PRICE: Yeah, its a 2 weighted average.
3 MR. GROBE: Okay.
4 MR. PRICE: On the last 5 performance indicator we have for today is, again, was 6 presented last month, Design Engineering Quality. This is 7 a performance measure thats basically created by the 8 Engineering Assessment Board and is a measure of an average 9 score of the engineering products that go through the 10 Engineering Assessment Board.
11 The EAB or Engineering Assessment Board scores on a 12 scale of zero to 4, with zero being the best. What you can 13 see here is kind of jumping up and down. Our long term 14 goal, restart goals to stay consistently below 1.0 for a 15 weekly average score.
16 I believe we indicated that our indicators are 17 showing positive progress, and we believe our restart 18 activities are showing improving trends, but as you well 19 know we have some time to spend looking at these, and over 20 the next several weeks, these are going to become some 21 really important indicators for us to focus attention on.
22 MR. DEAN: Clark, I have one 23 question. I know what youve provided us here is not the 24 comprehensive set of performance indicators that you have.
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101 1 sort of things, these last two you talked about really 2 getting more of qualitative stuff. Tomorrows meeting, we 3 have a chance to discuss more of the types of performance 4 indicators and the tools youre using to assess the 5 Management and Human Performance?
6 MR. PRICE: Yes, part of that 7 presentation tomorrow, well discuss that. Some of these 8 human performance measurements are in development and were 9 still working on them. Some of them are included in here.
10 We have a normal batch. We have about 34 per performance 11 measures right now which will probably grow slightly. This 12 selection was kind of hard to package.
13 MR. DEAN: Well hit more 14 tomorrow is the question.
15 MR. PRICE: Yes.
16 MR. MENDIOLA: My question is 17 more specific to root cause Quality Performance Indicator, 18 the one that you indicate is bottomed out. I think you 19 explained that Mr. Fasts Corrective Action Review Board.
20 Do you have a view of why the root causes approval rate is 21 where it is right now, what needs to be done in order to 22 get it up higher?
23 MR. FAST: Yes. Typically, 24 we dont see one to one correlation between root cause and 25 corrective actions. Theyre not aligned. Sometime we see MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
102 1 a root cause is an apparent cause or doesnt meet our 2 quality standards for really asking the question why, why, 3 why; getting to the root of the issue.
4 So, we are trying to improve the quality of those 5 reports, so we look at them critically as a board, do that 6 as a prereview and come to the table, and we want excellent 7 clarity in the writing and the analysis of the report and 8 were improving the standards in that area.
9 So, were looking at these very closely, very 10 carefully. And if they, very few of them get through right 11 now as everything was done, done well, clearly and root 12 cause was clear and there is a direct correlation between 13 root cause and corrective actions.
14 So, we have a lot of comments come out of those 15 reviews. We expect that the support of the issue by 16 another review board we have, Corrective Action Review 17 Group, which is a lower level of the organization, really 18 which is where we provide some of the emphasis and the 19 teaching on improving quality on the lower level 20 documents.
21 So, I think we are, Im going to call culture 22 change, in that we are, our expectations are high, and 23 well provide the feedback for the managers and the root 24 cause evaluators on the quality of products that they 25 deliver.
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103 1 MR. MENDIOLA: I assume then your 2 expectations are confined to, passed down and everybody 3 understands these are higher expectations this board sees.
4 MR. FAST: Thats one of the 5 actions as a matter of fact that weve been taking, is 6 were documenting results of the board review, and 7 providing feedback to our management team.
8 We have a couple of outstanding actions to go back 9 to our membership team and communicate these standards and 10 some of the things were seeing programmatically.
11 MR. MENDIOLA: Thank you.
12 MR. GROBE: Randy, I think 13 there is a different group that reviews basic causes. I 14 cant remember what its called.
15 MR. FAST: Its Corrective 16 Action Review Group. What we call CARG.
17 MR. GROBE: Great. Do you 18 have a similar trend plot on their assessment?
19 MR. FAST: Thats a much more 20 detailed analysis. There is a scoring sheet for the 21 Corrective Action Review Group. It gets into numerical 22 base calculation. Thats again an opportunity to provide 23 feedback to the investigative teams groups.
24 MR. GROBE: Are you trending 25 those or is that not one of the PIs?
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104 1 MR. FAST: I know we have the 2 data. Can you answer that?
3 MR. PRICE: The performance 4 improvement unit does track that its not currently a 5 restart performance level weve established.
6 MR. GROBE: Any other 7 questions? Okay.
8 MR. PRICE: If there are no 9 other questions, Ill turn it over to Mike Roder who will 10 discuss the Restart Test Plan.
11 MR. RODER: Thank you, Clark.
12 Good afternoon. My name is Mike Roder, the 13 Operations Manager of Davis-Besse. Im a lifelong resident 14 of Ottawa County. I have 16 years of experience at 15 Davis-Besse. Im a Senior Reactor Operator License for 16 nine years at Davis-Besse. Im committed to the safe 17 restart of Davis-Besse and continued safe operation of the 18 facility.
19 Cornerstone for restart is our Restart Test Plan.
20 This plan is a comprehensive plan designed to ensure our 21 systems, structures, components and operators are ready to 22 support the safe operations. Key components of the plan 23 include reviewing the proposed post-maintenance and 24 post-modification testing for adequacy, create an 25 integrated startup test procedure, verifying operator MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
105 1 readiness for sustained safe and reliable operation.
2 One item there, reviewing the proposed 3 post-maintenance and post-modification, realize that those 4 activities were proposed in support of our original outage 5 schedule. Conditions have changed. We need a re-review of 6 those modification and maintenance tests to ensure theyre 7 still adequate for the new conditions that weve 8 discovered, such as our containment conditions.
9 The Startup Test Procedure is going to integrate 10 normal plant startup evolutions that we currently have with 11 key activities that will lead to incorporate, verify the 12 systems, structure and component readiness. Part of that 13 will perform an integrated leak rate test to prove 14 containment vessel integrity after we open the vessel and 15 restore the vessel.
16 We will also establish holds at low pressure and 17 again at a high pressure to verify the highest standards of 18 reactor coolant system integrity.
19 Were also incorporating management and oversight 20 reviews prior to Mode 4 or the start of escalation and 21 pressure temperature, and again at Mode 2 or prior to 22 reactor startup. And again, approximately 50 percent 23 power, we have the second feed pump in service and also 24 the--
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106 1 where you go over 212 degrees.
2 MR. RODER: 200.
3 MR. GROBE: I understand.
4 And Mode 2 is where you can begin generating heat with 5 nuclear?
6 MR. RODER: Mode 2 is, 7 actually nuclear heat is into Mode 2.
8 MR. GROBE: Okay.
9 MR. RODER: Prior to Mode 4, 10 were also going to train our operators on the restart test 11 procedures of the OR simulator. After the training is 12 complete, were also going to have an evaluation of 13 operators to ensure the performance is up to standards and 14 supports the safe, reliable operation of the facility.
15 In conclusion, the Restart Test Plan is specifically 16 focused on ensuring that my plant will be returned to 17 service only after safety readiness.
18 Ive also included, my operator offered to bring 19 this picture in to show you an example of their commitment 20 to safety. Heres some of my operators on the righthand 21 side. As youll notice, theyre in booties and gloves.
22 Its pretty close there inside containment.
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107 1 moment for us as we talked about earlier bringing that into 2 the containment.
3 MR. GROBE: Would you go back a 4 slide, please?
5 Are you planning on any augmented oversight on shift 6 through the startup evolution?
7 MR. RODER: Yes. Were going 8 to have, Im going to have, right now I have two 9 superintendents on days and nights. We will continue 10 that.
11 So, Ill have a superintendent on shift during 12 reactor startup. Well have various managers to sign for 13 oversight, that previously held licenses, that type of 14 activity. Im sure our friends in QA will be there also as 15 additional oversight. And, thats where we plan to go.
16 MR. MYERS: We wanted the 17 staff, our support center, we take that attitude first, 18 with the NRC support for us too; we decided that management 19 has a lot to do when you go to about 70 percent power. Not 20 half bad. So, then you can see us over on the left.
21 MR. GROBE: Anything else, 22 Bill?
23 MR. DEAN: Yeah, Im probably 24 going to sound like a broken record.
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108 1 here, focuses on hardware, focuses on operators. I would 2 expect that tomorrow well hear the forward to this, 3 relative to Management and Human Performance, the types of 4 things youre going to do to test their readiness and the 5 processes readiness for restart.
6 MR. MYERS: Thats correct.
7 MR. GROBE: I think we got 8 the guy thats going to write the agenda for tomorrows 9 meeting.
10 MR. DEAN: Just taking 11 notes.
12 MR. GROBE: There you go.
13 MR. MYERS: Go back and work 14 hard tomorrow.
15 MR. GROBE: I just want to 16 emphasize a little bit of what our inspection activities 17 are going to be if and when you get to the point of 18 restarting the plant.
19 I anticipate that we will have multiple people on 20 site providing 24-hour observation of your operating crews, 21 both in the control room as well as in the field and any 22 emergent work thats going on to give us a sense of their 23 readiness for restart prior to restart authorization.
24 Any other questions, Tony?
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109 1 Readiness, you talk about training operators, evaluating 2 operator performance and simulator, also evaluating 3 operators startup operations.
4 But are you going to augment with any outside 5 organization to implement them or is this all in-house?
6 MR. RODER: What Ive talked 7 about is all in-house. Were having a, this is nuclear 8 power is coming up as part of our preparation for restart 9 to assess leadership skills and our leadership plan.
10 MR. FAST: We do have, I 11 dont know, classify or clarify as independent oversight in 12 that we have Mike Ross, who is a retired plant manager from 13 Three Mile Island working with our staff. Hes providing 14 tremendous insight or oversight of our operations crew.
15 So, we are not solely using our own folks. Were getting a 16 good perspective of people like Mike.
17 MR. THOMAS: I just have one 18 question before your closing remarks, before we get to that 19 point.
20 MR. SIMPKINS: I have a question 21 on training. Mike normally on cycles, you have operators 22 going through training at all times. Around the plant, I 23 see a lot of those operators participating in the System 24 Health Reviews and tagouts. Are you still maintaining that 25 current regimen of training of your operators?
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110 1 MR. RODER: Yes, we are. We 2 just started a cycle this week, and we are maintaining all 3 employee activities.
4 MR. SIMPKINS: So, when will you 5 begin your augmented training activities?
6 MR. RODER: We are, well, one 7 of the activities, several activities start October 21st.
8 I have set aside that particular week to schedule a lot of 9 activities. So, that really, all that means is being 10 doubled up elsewhere in the schedule so we can maintain 11 consistent recall. And then the rest would have to be 12 scheduled.
13 Our challenge is, we have our annual exam coming up 14 also, which we will maintain that also. So, its a 15 scheduling challenge, which is right to do and well do.
16 MR. SIMPKINS: Will you focus on 17 specific crews or will all crews be trained the same?
18 MR. RODER: Right now, Im 19 focusing on all crews, just so that I have the ability to 20 be flexible.
21 MR. SIMPKINS: Okay.
22 MR. THOMAS: I guess my 23 question is, you know, with issues, with polar crane work, 24 concrete for containment, feedwater heat repairs, cad 25 welding qualification for containment rebar, these are all MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
111 1 issues that in some respect impact contractor quality and 2 quality of their work product.
3 I know youve touched on this a couple times so far 4 this afternoon, but could you revisit it one more time.
5 Im still a little unclear on going forward having verified 6 the quality of the operators and contractor work.
7 MR. RODER: Youre asking 8 for--
9 MR. GROBE: From anyone.
10 MR. MYERS: Do you want to?
11 MR. STEVENS: Yeah. Through 12 verification of the system performance, weve got QA 13 involved providing oversight. Weve got a team put 14 together. And one of the things that team recommended, Im 15 not sure were going to do just yet, I want to understand 16 it, is take our Davis-Besse employees, pair them up and 17 make sure we have the right match, number of Davis-Besse 18 employees to contractors, help provide insight and 19 leadership for the standards.
20 Some of it, some of the things that are occurring 21 are, were not necessarily familiar with at Davis-Besse 22 procedure, were doing the work, not in accordance with.
23 So, we have to stop, get those folks up to speed; like with 24 the feedwater heat work.
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112 1 the standards. Weve utilized our contract resource with 2 NPS and their supervision. We have qualified supervisors 3 are making sure we have the right ratio for them. That 4 doesnt seem to be enough. So, Ive got a team assembled.
5 Im asking them to take collectively and look at these 6 issues to see where and what they need from us.
7 One of their immediate recommendations is lets pair 8 up some of the craftsmen, some of the engineers, to make 9 sure we have the right mix of Davis-Besse contractors.
10 Lets also understand, the folks we have doing 11 project management work, are they strong or are they weak?
12 You know what I mean? Theres different levels of project 13 management, not used to being a project manager, but to 14 handle the scope of the project, we might have to augment 15 that person with somebody who is familiar with execution of 16 the work in the field, for instance.
17 That team is evaluating that real time right now.
18 MR. THOMAS: Thank you.
19 MR. MYERS: I think also, just 20 so you know, as you see, you read some of the special 21 organizations, well be able to focus on, like NPS. And 22 thats going to allow us to have a better focus on a 23 particular contract group.
24 Right now, we have so many different groups out 25 there, so many different contractors, it makes it more MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
113 1 difficult for us to manage just because of all the 2 organizations. What we want to do is roll back into the, 3 the contract organizations that we typically have during 4 the outage over the next few weeks. So, you will see us 5 lending a number of different contractors we have, 6 companies at the site.
7 Were doing that now with our corporate organization 8 and were making moves to really get ourselves in control 9 and only having a handful of different contracting 10 companies on site, which make it easier for management; 11 right?
12 I dont know if that helps you or not.
13 MR. MENDIOLA: To be honest, I 14 think the issue here is expectation management. In other 15 words, you had a certain expectation of what you wanted 16 from both your, your own staff and your contractors.
17 MR. MYERS: Right.
18 MR. MENDIOLA: And clearly in a 19 perfect world those expectations are passed to your staff 20 and through the line organization, and then the line 21 organization transfers effectively those expectations to 22 the contractors. Well, the contractors who are doing the 23 work, doing inspections, doing reviews, theyre the group 24 thats going to, if you will, do the right thing, and meet 25 your expectations.
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114 1 Clearly, there has been some cases here where there 2 might be an issue or two associated with whether or not 3 those expectations are being understood, and communicated.
4 And, you know, heres some lightning rods; weve picked on 5 the polar crane, for example; that show that maybe the 6 expectations arent getting down to the guy who is turning 7 the wrench. And they, you know, some more reinforcement 8 may be necessary, and evaluation of how the message is 9 being sent and how the message is being received.
10 MR. MYERS: Well get there 11 and well work alongside. Its that simple. Well get it 12 fixed.
13 MR. MENDIOLA: Im more 14 comfortable with the first part than the second. Spreading 15 the expectation, and getting the work done correctly the 16 first time is a much more pleasible response.
17 MR. MYERS: The other day we 18 had a problem with the quality organization, the Bechtel.
19 We had to change some people out. That was a totally 20 unacceptable thing. We gave them fair warning. We worked 21 with them. Didnt fix the problem. So, we changed the 22 resources out.
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115 1 doing wrong too. Its one thing to talk and communicate 2 expectations, its another thing to actually get in the 3 field and have a discussion on what that really means.
4 There is a lot of what were doing at Davis-Besse right now 5 to change that behavior and that culture.
6 MR. MENDIOLA: In order to change 7 the culture, you need to make sure the expectations are 8 heard, understood and followed.
9 MR. STEVENS: Its significant, 10 if we see bad work, to go do a rework at Davis-Besse, right 11 now.
12 MR. MYERS: Another thing, I 13 said, that some of the training programs, you know, I think 14 that our training for contractors on expectations is pretty 15 good. Its pretty consistent what we do at our other 16 sites, as a matter of fact.
17 Once again, a lot of activities going on. And I 18 look for us to push back, produce the number of contracted 19 companies and be able to manage those contracted companies 20 more effectively the next couple weeks.
21 MR. GROBE: Other questions?
22 MR. SIMPKINS: I have one. Are 23 all contractors that come on site, trained on the 24 sensitivities of Correction Action Program? In other 25 words, do they understand the appropriate threshold on when MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
116 1 and when not to appropriate Condition Reports?
2 MR. MYERS: Yes.
3 MR. SIMPKINS: So, everyone is.
4 MR. MYERS: Yes.
5 MR. SIMPKINS: Okay, thank you.
6 MR. MYERS: I never use the 7 word everyone. Our program has a contractor trained.
8 Theres been times I have situations, contractor brought 9 somebody as a visitor or something. Everyone is a tough 10 word.
11 MR. SIMPKINS: But then they 12 wouldnt be a contractor if theyre a visitor.
13 MR. MYERS: Maybe the key is, 14 we expect people to be trained on Condition Reports.
15 MR. SIMPKINS: Okay, thank you.
16 MR. GROBE: Any other 17 questions?
18 Lew, before you go to your closing remarks, could 19 you please move the microphone a little closer.
20 MR. MYERS: Sure.
21 MR. GROBE: Thanks.
22 MR. MYERS: The last meeting 23 we had, there were some questions on our vision, mission 24 and specifically our values in FENOC. Roughly so, since 25 that meeting, I made the comment that I was embarrassed at MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
117 1 where we are today. Which I am.
2 Today I felt differently. I will close by talking 3 about that somewhat. If you look at our FENOC plants, the 4 good thing that we have is we have a fleet of plants. Our 5 vision in all of our plants is the same. Thats operation 6 excellence. We want to be recognized as operators of 7 excellent plants. And this situation certainly doesnt 8 help us in that area.
9 To accomplish that, we have a mission of people 10 providing safe, reliable and cost effective nuclear 11 generation.
12 And the value you start out as safety, as a 13 cornerstone, in the lefthand corner. When we talk about 14 safety, we talk about safety culture, and services made, 15 and commitment that we have as management team operating a 16 safe plant. This event did not help us in that area.
17 Teamwork is also important. That we have a flexible 18 work force. One thing Im proudest to say today is, if I 19 look at our organization as a whole, and our fleet, every 20 day at our plant we have a large number of people taking 21 corrective actions for our other sites. In fact, some 22 actions are actually performed at the site before they even 23 come here. Procedures changes, nuclear operator procedure 24 changes, and things like that.
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118 1 employees coming from other sites are just outstanding. In 2 fact, there has been a few of them kept, after they got 3 here. The skilled work force, feedback valued in 4 decisionmaking and open communication; thats all 5 teamwork.
6 We then go to Accountability and Ownership. One of 7 the things that I believe failed at our plant, we sought to 8 developing our leadership and managers and supervisors four 9 or five years ago at Davis-Besse. At one of our other 10 plants right now, we have our best people in SRO Class and 11 there is 27 people in that class. We havent been doing 12 that at Davis-Besse, and so, many leaders left and the 13 skills dried up.
14 We didnt endorse our Leadership in Action 15 Programs. We appeared to train the programs at our 16 Davis-Besse Plant, but they dont seem to be instilled like 17 they are at our other two stations.
18 Then there is honesty, ethical behavior and 19 management involvement; all of which appeared to be 20 somewhat missing at Davis-Besse Plant. In fact, my boss, 21 Bob Saunders, likes to comment as a President of FENOC, he 22 was actually in the containment more than many of our 23 managers during the last outage; and he was in the 24 containment one time. That doesnt meet with our 25 expectations.
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119 1 Finally, accomplishment. Once you have good people, 2 teamwork, good training, you can accomplish a lot of 3 things. And what that does is add value to the 4 organization, and adds value to FirstEnergy.
5 So, the reason I want to go through this today, you 6 know, those are visions, thats our vision, and then our 7 values that I live as an executive for over 30 years and I 8 really believe in these values.
9 There is only two assets that you have; the plant 10 itself and the people. And the plant itself usually runs 11 very well, from history, if you have good people that are 12 technically qualified, good management and leadership 13 programs in place. And I think thats a very good thing to 14 serve by.
15 With that being said, we have a new Senior 16 Management Team at our Davis-Besse Plant. One of the 17 things were sharing with our employees now, we have 18 hanging on all the walls, we want to share with you; is the 19 standards that we developed and we talked about we being 20 part of the standards. We did that ourselves as the Senior 21 Management Team.
22 On every wall what were telling our people is, we 23 expect you to grade us and hold us accountable to our 24 standards, and then we expect if we dont meet those 25 standards, you tell us.
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120 1 And often Im the poster child probably, you know, 2 not meeting something. But if I dont, well correct 3 that. If I dont, I would expect you to go to my boss, to 4 the quality organization, if necessary to NRC. Were 5 telling our employees that in every meeting.
6 Lets go over the standards we came up with. We are 7 committed to implementing the FENOC Mission, Vision and 8 Values. Thats very important. In fact, what we found at 9 Davis-Besse was a different mission and vision than we have 10 for FENOC.
11 We will demonstrate our commitment to safety; 12 demonstrate leadership courage with safety first and 13 foremost. Thats very important to the public, and its 14 also very important to our employees. Just hold us 15 accountable to that.
16 We will recognize our value -- the value of our 17 people. Only ask that we have good people. You know, if 18 we let them become complaisant; we dont develop good 19 technical skills, good leadership skills and good 20 management skills; then you find complaisancy that we had 21 that resulted in the head issue we have today.
22 We pledge to uphold our Leadership in Action 23 Principles. We have a group of principles and standards 24 that we train people to at our other facilities and theyre 25 on our walls in every meeting room. And we enforce those MARIE B. FRESCH & ASSOCIATES 1-800-669-DEPO
121 1 standards and the way we do business every day; and 2 principles.
3 And what we find is theyre not visible at our 4 Davis-Besse Plant, but they will be as of tomorrow; along 5 with these standards in every meeting room we have.
6 We will earn the right to lead through our behaviors 7 and actions. You know, thats important. Now, were 8 talking about this more at tomorrows meeting, but we 9 expect our employees, the public and NRC to hold us 10 accountable to these standards.
11 We have a lot of work to do to restart the plant and 12 gain public confidence. We know that. We hope were 13 demonstrating that were doing more than that. Thank you.
14 MR. GROBE: Thank you.
15 Any questions or comments?
16 Appreciate your presentation today. I appreciate 17 you folks that havent been here before too.
18 The message that youve given is clear, that youre 19 well into the discovery phase. That youre completing your 20 inspections. Youre completing system reviews, interviews, 21 youre identifying a lot of deficiencies. Some of the 22 issues that youre identifying are substantive, and thats 23 good. We talked about a number of them today.
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122 1 done.
2 We look forward to continuing to have these broad 3 overviews of whats going on at the plant. And as 4 necessary to have specific meetings like what we have 5 scheduled for tomorrow, where we have a unique topic we 6 want to spend a longer period of time on.
7 Unless there is any other comments, what I would 8 like to do now is take a break for about five minutes.
9 Its 3 minutes after five, so at 5:10 well reconvene for 10 public comments and questions. Thank you.
11 (Off the record.)
12 MR. GROBE: Thank you for 13 your patience. The purpose of this part of the meeting is 14 to answer any questions that you might have, for receiving 15 thoughts or comments that you might want to share with us, 16 and we certainly are open to those.
17 I would like to invite speakers to the podium. We 18 have a microphone up there. In a sequence; I would first 19 like to hear from any local public officials or 20 any representatives of local officials that have any 21 thoughts or questions; and follow that with local 22 residents, those with any emergency planning zone; and then 23 continue on with any other members of the public.
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123 1 members of the local elected officials or representatives 2 that have any thoughts or comments that they would like to 3 share with us or questions.
4 Very good.
5 Any members of the local community? Im sure that 6 would include folks that work at the plant.
7 Okay. Any other members of the public?
8 Well, this is exciting. That either means that 9 were highly successful or that weve bored you to sleep; 10 one or the other.
11 We do have a meeting this evening.
12 AMY RYDER: Jack.
13 MR. GROBE: Yes, maam. Im 14 glad youre here.
15 AMY RYDER: I bet you are.
16 You could use some lemonade out front, refreshments.
17 Thats all I have to say.
18 My name is Amy Ryder. Im with Ohio Citizens in 19 Action. I have, just have a brief comment, and that is, 20 after todays meeting, I have absolutely zero confidence in 21 FirstEnergys ability to run this plant. It seems the more 22 they try to restart the plant, the more problems that 23 theyre discovering with their operations and the facility; 24 and I think the best solution for this facility is to keep 25 it closed permanently. Thanks.
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124 1 MR. GROBE: I appreciate your 2 comment. We focused on a couple of issues that have gone 3 poorly today, and exposed those. A recent inspection 4 report on the Containment Health inspections received a 5 great deal of number of activities we reviewed were 6 conducted fine. We did find a lot of problems in some 7 areas, and it will go that way. But I appreciate your 8 comment.
9 Any other questions? Comments?
10 Very good.
11 Were going to reconvene here at 7:00. And, for a 12 change, we might have time for dinner. And, thats good.
13 I appreciate that, Lew. You were little bit more 14 timely. The meeting this evening, well just give a brief, 15 very brief summary of what has happened this afternoon and 16 then seek out questions and comments from the public.
17 Thank you very much.
18 (Off the record.)
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