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NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION


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Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Accident Analysis Thermal Hydraulics Open Session Docket Number:   (n/a)
Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Accident Analysis Thermal Hydraulics Open Session
Location:         teleconference Date:             Tuesday, June 6, 2023 Work Order No.:   NRC-2426                         Pages 1-26 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
 
Docket Number: (n/a)
 
Location: teleconference
 
Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2023
 
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7 UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSIONS
 
8 ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS
 
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11 The contents of this transcript of the
 
12 proceeding of the United States Nuclear Regulatory
 
13 Commission Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards,
 
14 as reported herein, is a record of the discussions
 
15 recorded at the meeting.
 
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17 This transcript has not been reviewed,
 
18 corrected, and edited, and it may contain
 
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1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
 
2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
 
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4 ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS
 
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7 THERMAL-HYDRAULICS ACCIDENT ANALYSIS SUBCOMMITTEE
 
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9 OPEN SESSION
 
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11 TUESDAY,
 
12 JUNE 6, 2023
 
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14 The Subcommittee met via hybrid in-person
 
15 and video-teleconference, at 1:00 p.m. EDT, Jose
 
16 March-Leuba, Chairman, presiding.
 
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18 COMMITTEE MEMBERS:
 
19 JOSE MARCH-LEUBA, Chair
 
20 RONALD G. BALLINGER, Member
 
21 VICKI BIER, Member
 
22 CHARLES H. BROWN, JR., Member
 
23 VESNA DIMITRIJEVIC, Member
 
24 GREGORY HALNON, Member
 
25 WALT KIRCHNER, Member
 
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1 DAVID PETTI, Member


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2 JOY L. REMPE, Member
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4                              DISCLAIMER 5
6 7  UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSIONS 8        ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS 9
10 11          The contents of this transcript of the 12 proceeding of the United States Nuclear Regulatory 13 Commission Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards, 14 as reported herein, is a record of the discussions 15 recorded at the meeting.
16 17          This transcript has not been reviewed, 18 corrected, and edited, and it may contain 19 inaccuracies.
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1 1                    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2                  NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3                                 + + + + +
3 MATTHEW SUNSERI, Member
4            ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS 5                                    (ACRS) 6                                + + + + +
 
7    THERMAL-HYDRAULICS ACCIDENT ANALYSIS SUBCOMMITTEE 8                                + + + + +
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9                              OPEN SESSION 10                                + + + + +
11                                  TUESDAY, 12                              JUNE 6, 2023 13                                + + + + +
14                  The Subcommittee met via hybrid in-person 15 and      video-teleconference,            at    1:00    p.m. EDT,      Jose 16 March-Leuba, Chairman, presiding.
17 18 COMMITTEE MEMBERS:
19            JOSE MARCH-LEUBA, Chair 20            RONALD G. BALLINGER, Member 21            VICKI BIER, Member 22            CHARLES H. BROWN, JR., Member 23            VESNA DIMITRIJEVIC, Member 24            GREGORY HALNON, Member 25            WALT KIRCHNER, Member NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433          WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309          www.nealrgross.com


2 1            DAVID PETTI, Member 2            JOY L. REMPE, Member 3            MATTHEW SUNSERI, Member 4
5 DESIGNATED FEDERAL OFFICIAL:
5 DESIGNATED FEDERAL OFFICIAL:
6           MIKE SNODDERLY 7
 
6 MIKE SNODDERLY
 
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8 ALSO PRESENT:
8 ALSO PRESENT:
9            KENT HALAC, GE 10            JOHN HANNAH, GNF 11            SCOTT KREPEL, NRR 12            MATHEW PANICKER, NRR 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433          WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309    www.nealrgross.com


3 1                         TABLE OF CONTENTS 2 Opening Remarks, Jose March-Leuba, Chair                                 4 3 Discussion of GNF Topical Reports on 4           LANCR02 Computer Programs for 5           Evaluating Fuel Lattices, John 6           Hannah, GNF                                                   7 7 Staff's Evaluation of GNF Topical Reports, 8           Matthew Panicker, NRR                                       20 9 Opportunity for Public Comment 10           (No public comment) 11 Adjourn                                                               26 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433         WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309     www.nealrgross.com
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10 JOHN HANNAH, GNF
 
11 SCOTT KREPEL, NRR
 
12 MATHEW PANICKER, NRR
 
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1 TABLE OF CONTENTS
 
2 Opening Remarks, Jose March-Leuba, Chair 4
 
3 Discussion of GNF Topical Reports on
 
4 LANCR02 Computer Programs for
 
5 Evaluating Fuel Lattices, John
 
6 Hannah, GNF 7
 
7 Staff's Evaluation of GNF Topical Reports,
 
8 Matthew Panicker, NRR 20
 
9 Opportunity for Public Comment
 
10 (No public comment)
 
11 Adjourn 26
 
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S
 
2 1:00 P.M.
 
3 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: The meeting will now
 
4 come to order. This is a meeting of the Accident
 
5 Analysis Thermal Hydraulics Subcommittee. I am Jose
 
6 March-Leuba, the SC chair.
 
7 In addition to in-person attendance at NRC
 
8 headquarters, the meeting is broadcasted via MS Teams.
 
9 Members in attendance are Ronald Ballinger, Vicki
 
10 Bier, Charles Brown, Vesna Dimitrijevic, Greg Halnon,
 
11 Walter Kirchner, David Petti, Joy Rempe, and Matthew
 
12 Sunseri.
 
13 Today, we are reviewing topical report
 
14 NEDE-33935P, Revision 0, by Global Nuclear Fuel
 
15 Americas entitled LANCR02/PANAC11 application
 
16 methodology, and two associated methodology
 
17 qualification reports.
 
18 These reports support a combined use of
 
19 the LANCR02 and PANAC11 codes for modeling neutronics
 
20 and thermal hydraulic BWR core physics.
 
21 Portions of our meeting will be closed to
 
22 the public to protect GNF priority information. We
 
23 have not received requests to provide comments, but we
 
24 have an opportunity for public comments before the
 
25 beginning of the closed session of the meeting.
 
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1 The ACRS was established by a statute and
 
2 is open by the Federal Advisory Committee Act, FACA.
 
3 As such, the committee only speaks to its published
 
4 letter reports.
 
5 The rules for participation in all ACRS
 
6 meetings were announced in the Federal Register on
 
7 June 13, 2019. The ACRS section of the U.S. NRC
 
8 public work site provides our charter, bylaws,
 
9 agendas, letter reports, and full transcripts for the
 
10 open portions of all full and subcommittee meetings,
 
11 including the slides presented there.
 
12 The Designated Federal Official today is
 
13 Michael Snodderly.
 
14 A transcript of the meeting is being kept.
 
15 Therefore, speak into the microphones clearly and
 
16 state your name for the benefit of the court reporter.
 
17 And if you are in a conference room with multiple
 
18 people on the line, just remember to identify yourself
 
19 regularly for the accuracy of the transcript.
 
20 Please keep all your electronics and the
 
21 microphone on mute when not being used.
 
22 We are now ready for the GNF presentation.
 
23 Kent Halac of General Electric Hitachi will present
 
24 some opening remarks and introduce the GNF presenters.
 
25 Remember, this is the open session of the
 
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1 meeting. Questions that may need proprietary
 
2 information should be discussed in the closed session.
 
3 Kent?
 
4 MR. HALAC: Thank you. This is Kent
 
5 Halac, General Electric. We're representing Global
 
6 Nuclear Fuels. I brought with me John Hannah,
 
7 principal engineer in our Advanced Methods Group.
 
8 Thank you for having us today. We have some
 
9 interesting material that pushes our technology
 
10 forward and enables increased enrichment which is one
 
11 of the objectives of these updates.
 
12 We're here to answer any questions you may
 
13 have about the technology. And just note that LANCR
 
14 and PANAC are both approved technologies, and this is
 
15 the combination of LANCR with PANACEA for the
 
16 application method and we're going to be talking about
 
17 LANCR02 updates to enable increased enrichment.
 
18 With that, I'll move to John.
 
19 MR. HANNAH: Thanks, Kent. This is John
 
20 Hannah as Kent introduced --
 
21 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Sorry, there is a very
 
22 narrow field of view for the mic. If you cannot hear
 
23 yourself on --
 
24 MR. HANNAH: Then you can't hear. Okay
 
25 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: -- you're not talking


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3                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:              The meeting will now 4 come to order.        This is a meeting of the Accident 5 Analysis Thermal Hydraulics Subcommittee.                  I am Jose 6 March-Leuba, the SC chair.
7                In addition to in-person attendance at NRC 8 headquarters, the meeting is broadcasted via MS Teams.
9 Members in attendance are Ronald Ballinger, Vicki 10 Bier, Charles Brown, Vesna Dimitrijevic, Greg Halnon, 11 Walter Kirchner, David Petti, Joy Rempe, and Matthew 12 Sunseri.
13                Today, we are reviewing topical report 14 NEDE-33935P,      Revision      0,    by    Global  Nuclear      Fuel 15 Americas      entitled        LANCR02/PANAC11          application 16 methodology,        and      two      associated      methodology 17 qualification reports.
18                These reports support a combined use of 19 the LANCR02 and PANAC11 codes for modeling neutronics 20 and thermal hydraulic BWR core physics.
21                Portions of our meeting will be closed to 22 the public to protect GNF priority information.                          We 23 have not received requests to provide comments, but we 24 have an opportunity for public comments before the 25 beginning of the closed session of the meeting.
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5 1                     The ACRS was established by a statute and 2 is open by the Federal Advisory Committee Act, FACA.
1 --
3 As such, the committee only speaks to its published 4 letter reports.
5                    The rules for participation in all ACRS 6 meetings were announced in the Federal Register on 7 June 13, 2019.            The ACRS section of the U.S. NRC 8 public        work  site    provides          our    charter,    bylaws, 9 agendas, letter reports, and full transcripts for the 10 open portions of all full and subcommittee meetings, 11 including the slides presented there.
12                    The Designated Federal Official today is 13 Michael Snodderly.
14                    A transcript of the meeting is being kept.
15 Therefore, speak into the microphones clearly and 16 state your name for the benefit of the court reporter.
17 And if you are in a conference room with multiple 18 people on the line, just remember to identify yourself 19 regularly for the accuracy of the transcript.
20                    Please keep all your electronics and the 21 microphone on mute when not being used.
22                    We are now ready for the GNF presentation.
23 Kent Halac of General Electric Hitachi will present 24 some opening remarks and introduce the GNF presenters.
25                    Remember, this is the open session of the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433            WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309          www.nealrgross.com


6 1 meeting.          Questions        that      may      need    proprietary 2 information should be discussed in the closed session.
2 MR. HANNAH: I'm going to try again.
3                  Kent?
4                  MR. HALAC:           Thank you.            This is Kent 5 Halac, General Electric. We're representing Global 6 Nuclear        Fuels.      I   brought        with      me  John    Hannah, 7 principal engineer in our Advanced Methods Group.
8 Thank        you  for  having        us    today.          We  have      some 9 interesting        material        that    pushes        our  technology 10 forward and enables increased enrichment which is one 11 of the objectives of these updates.
12                  We're here to answer any questions you may 13 have about the technology.                  And just note that LANCR 14 and PANAC are both approved technologies, and this is 15 the      combination    of      LANCR      with      PANACEA    for      the 16 application method and we're going to be talking about 17 LANCR02 updates to enable increased enrichment.
18                  With that, I'll move to John.
19                  MR. HANNAH:          Thanks, Kent.          This is John 20 Hannah as Kent introduced --
21                  CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Sorry, there is a very 22 narrow field of view for the mic.                      If you cannot hear 23 yourself on --
24                  MR. HANNAH: Then you can't hear.                      Okay 25                  CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:              -- you're not talking NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433            WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309            www.nealrgross.com


7 1 --
2                  MR. HANNAH:          I'm going to try again.
3 Okay, now I can hear me.
3 Okay, now I can hear me.
4                  This is John Hannah from Global Nuclear 5 Fuels as Kent suggested.                So I am here representing 6 the team that worked on this material.                      There was a 7 good number of us to advance this forward, so I'm 8 looking forward to talking about it today.
9                  Slide, Kent.
10                  So just a few introductory remarks in this 11 part of the session. We'll go a little deeper in the 12 closed session, talk about backgrounds, the drivers 13 and approach associated with these licensing topical 14 reports        which  you'll      hear      me    refer  to  as      LTRs 15 sometimes.        Kind of why we developed them and what we 16 were trying to do when we did.                        And then what the 17 current status of them is.
18                  Okay, so from a high level perspective and 19 background, right now, TGBLA06 and PANAC11 is GNF's 20 approved core simulator that's in use today across the 21 BWR fleets, boiling water reactor fleet. TGBLA06, all 22 lattice business codes, application range is limited 23 with respect to a next phase of fuel development, so 24 where we're trying to head to support ATF objectives, 25 be those higher enrichments, different clad types.
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8 1 It's not something that right now TGBLA has approved 2 to evaluate.
4 This is John Hannah from Global Nuclear
3               We do have LANCR02 which is approved from 4 a model and qualification perspective which is our 5 more advanced lattice physics code and does have the 6 approval to evaluate some of these features.                     And so 7 the main purpose of putting together the revisions to 8 the LANCR topical report and the combined LANCR/PANAC 9 topical report was to enable their use together as an 10 approved core simulator to evaluate these new spaces.
 
11               To that end, the driver really is to 12 expand the core simulator application range when we're 13 using LANCR as a new lattice physics solver as opposed 14 to TGBLA, so LEU+ is one of the main drivers for that, 15 looking to be able to evaluate fuel enriched between 16 5 and 10 percent in U235.
5 Fuels as Kent suggested. So I am here representing
17               In   addition,         there       is currently         in 18 operation fuel designs that are 11 by 11 in nature and 19 TGBLA has in some limitations associated with that and 20 LANCR does not. And so it's another driver for moving 21 in that direction.
 
22               CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:             Remember that we are 23 in open session and you probably can answer better in 24 a closed session, but anything you can say for the 25 public it helps on the transcript.
6 the team that worked on this material. There was a
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7 good number of us to advance this forward, so I'm
 
8 looking forward to talking about it today.
 
9 Slide, Kent.
 
10 So just a few introductory remarks in this
 
11 part of the session. We'll go a little deeper in the
 
12 closed session, talk about backgrounds, the drivers
 
13 and approach associated with these licensing topical
 
14 reports which you'll hear me refer to as LTRs
 
15 sometimes. Kind of why we developed them and what we
 
16 were trying to do when we did. And then what the
 
17 current status of them is.
 
18 Okay, so from a high level perspective and
 
19 background, right now, TGBLA06 and PANAC11 is GNF's
 
20 approved core simulator that's in use today across the
 
21 BWR fleets, boiling water reactor fleet. TGBLA06, all
 
22 lattice business codes, application range is limited
 
23 with respect to a next phase of fuel development, so
 
24 where we're trying to head to support ATF objectives,
 
25 be those higher enrichments, different clad types.
 
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1 It's not something that right now TGBLA has approved
 
2 to evaluate.
 
3 We do have LANCR02 which is approved from
 
4 a model and qualification perspective which is our
 
5 more advanced lattice physics code and does have the
 
6 approval to evaluate some of these features. And so
 
7 the main purpose of putting together the revisions to
 
8 the LANCR topical report and the combined LANCR/PANAC
 
9 topical report was to enable their use together as an
 
10 approved core simulator to evaluate these new spaces.
 
11 To that end, the driver really is to
 
12 expand the core simulator application range when we're
 
13 using LANCR as a new lattice physics solver as opposed
 
14 to TGBLA, so LEU+ is one of the main drivers for that,
 
15 looking to be able to evaluate fuel enriched between
 
16 5 and 10 percent in U235.
 
17 In addition, there is currently in
 
18 operation fuel designs that are 11 by 11 in nature and
 
19 TGBLA has in some limitations associated with that and
 
20 LANCR does not. And so it's another driver for moving
 
21 in that direction.
 
22 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Remember that we are
 
23 in open session and you probably can answer better in
 
24 a closed session, but anything you can say for the
 
25 public it helps on the transcript.
 
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1 Can you tell us anything about GE plans to
 
2 use LEU+, anything above 5 percent, anything in the
 
3 near future, 20 years from now?
 
4 MR. HALAC: This is Kent speaking. I can
 
5 speak to that. We have already put in an application
 
6 1097 related to the fuel fabrication facility to
 
7 increase the plant to eight percent weight enrichment.
 
8 And we -- you know, the first step is getting our
 
9 methods in line and our plant ready to fabricate. The
 
10 next step after that would be lead test assemblies.
 
11 So this work here would enable us to analyze and
 
12 deliver lead test at some reactors.
 
13 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: And I know this may be
 
14 sensitive, you were talking 6 months or 20 years?


9 1                Can you tell us anything about GE plans to 2 use LEU+, anything above 5 percent, anything in the 3 near future, 20 years from now?
4                MR. HALAC:      This is Kent speaking.            I can 5 speak to that.      We have already put in an application 6 1097 related to the fuel fabrication facility to 7 increase the plant to eight percent weight enrichment.
8 And we -- you know, the first step is getting our 9 methods in line and our plant ready to fabricate. The 10 next step after that would be lead test assemblies.
11 So this work here would enable us to analyze and 12 deliver lead test at some reactors.
13                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: And I know this may be 14 sensitive, you were talking 6 months or 20 years?
15 Neither, right?
15 Neither, right?
16                MR. HALAC:      Yes, neither is correct.              But 17 I would say it's most near term for us in the ATF 18 programs.      We use    ATF      as    an    umbrella  for    coated 19 claddings; iron, aluminum, chromium claddings.                        And 20 we've also married the benefits side which would be 21 increased enrichment with high burnup. And of all 22 those things for us the most near term would be LEU+.
23                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:              Okay, thank you.
24                MR. HALAC:        Sure.      So going forward, the 25 purpose as I said for moving to LANCR is to kind of NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433        WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309        www.nealrgross.com


10 1 enable these new areas to be evaluated.                         In addition, 2 we're       taking   the   opportunity           to     update   the     core 3 simulator approval basis.                     That's one of the big 4 drivers that's made our group very interested.
16 MR. HALAC: Yes, neither is correct. But
5                     The approval basis for TG1PANAC expands 6 across several decades and a lot of different topic 7 reports.         And there's an opportunity to clarify some 8 of that and make it easier to incrementally improve 9 going forward and so we've made a big effort to kind 10 of     do     that   in this       --   to     enable     that   in     this 11 submittal, trying to make minimal changes to what's 12 approved         in   the   simulator         space       right   now,       but 13 clarifying how things work today, how uncertainties 14 are quantified, and basically putting together one 15 report that we can launch from going forward to 16 improve the way that we have evaluated the core.
 
17                     CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:             I have seen -- again, 18 we are in open session.               There are some processes to 19 modify the approval if you have small changes with 20 respect to the probe.               Can you address some of these?
17 I would say it's most near term for us in the ATF
21 I'm     trying     to place       these       ideas     in the     public 22 transcript before we address them properly in the 23 closed session.
 
24                     MR. HANNAH:         Yes, there are some --
18 programs. We use ATF as an umbrella for coated
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19 claddings; iron, aluminum, chromium claddings. And
 
20 we've also married the benefits side which would be
 
21 increased enrichment with high burnup. And of all
 
22 those things for us the most near term would be LEU+.
 
23 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Okay, thank you.
 
24 MR. HALAC: Sure. So going forward, the
 
25 purpose as I said for moving to LANCR is to kind of
 
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1 enable these new areas to be evaluated. In addition,
 
2 we're taking the opportunity to update the core
 
3 simulator approval basis. That's one of the big
 
4 drivers that's made our group very interested.
 
5 The approval basis for TG1PANAC expands
 
6 across several decades and a lot of different topic
 
7 reports. And there's an opportunity to clarify some
 
8 of that and make it easier to incrementally improve
 
9 going forward and so we've made a big effort to kind
 
10 of do that in this -- to enable that in this
 
11 submittal, trying to make minimal changes to what's
 
12 approved in the simulator space right now, but
 
13 clarifying how things work today, how uncertainties
 
14 are quantified, and basically putting together one
 
15 report that we can launch from going forward to
 
16 improve the way that we have evaluated the core.
 
17 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I have seen -- again,
 
18 we are in open session. There are some processes to
 
19 modify the approval if you have small changes with
 
20 respect to the probe. Can you address some of these?
 
21 I'm trying to place these ideas in the public
 
22 transcript before we address them properly in the
 
23 closed session.
 
24 MR. HANNAH: Yes, there are some --
 
25 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Keep it high level,
 
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1 non-proprietary.
 
2 MR. HANNAH: Understand, right, yes. In
 
3 LANCR, there is some -- there's a section that's
 
4 dedicated to describing updates that are allowable
 
5 that we modeled similarly in the LANCR-PANAC topical
 
6 report to try to lay out basically a foundation that
 
7 explains when you make or change kind of what the
 
8 definition of what that change is, what it requires
 
9 you to do and then how you're going to communicate
 
10 that with the regulatory body so that there's
 
11 agreement in the fronts what different changes mean
 
12 and what approval bases are required in an attempt to
 
13 make the approved -- make approval paths more certain
 
14 for everyone.
 
15 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I try to think at the
 
16 lower level, so this is something equivalent to 10 CFR
 
17 50.59, in a sense that you will have to document your
 
18 changes. You will make a decision that this does not
 
19 require staff review. And then the staff can comment
 
20 on the methodology. Is that more or less what the
 
21 process will be?
 
22 MR. HANNAH: I would say that's one of the
 
23 outcomes of some of the update processes we define,
 
24 but some of the update processes I'm comfortable
 
25 saying, explicitly say if you do this, you have to
 
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1 resubmit. And so it's trying to say for the different
 
2 levels of changes what's going to be required so that
 
3 there's less ambiguity.
 
4 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: You're always allowed
 
5 to submit. The question is specifying what you don't
 
6 have to. Unfortunately, we all know you are in the
 
7 receiving end and it take 18 months, 2 years for any
 
8 approvals, so if you can avoid that by having an
 
9 agreement, a good bounder, a good box to stay inside


11 1 non-proprietary.
10 of that, we can save 2 years of review on 900 hours of
2                MR. HANNAH:        Understand, right, yes.                In 3 LANCR, there is some -- there's a section that's 4 dedicated to describing updates that are allowable 5 that we modeled similarly in the LANCR-PANAC topical 6 report to try to lay out basically a foundation that 7 explains when you make or change kind of what the 8 definition of what that change is, what it requires 9 you to do and then how you're going to communicate 10 that      with the  regulatory          body      so that    there's 11 agreement in the fronts what different changes mean 12 and what approval bases are required in an attempt to 13 make the approved -- make approval paths more certain 14 for everyone.
15                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:            I try to think at the 16 lower level, so this is something equivalent to 10 CFR 17 50.59, in a sense that you will have to document your 18 changes. You will make a decision that this does not 19 require staff review.          And then the staff can comment 20 on the methodology.            Is that more or less what the 21 process will be?
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12 1 resubmit. And so it's trying to say for the different 2 levels of changes what's going to be required so that 3 there's less ambiguity.
11 cost is a positive direction.
4                  CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: You're always allowed 5 to submit.      The question is specifying what you don't 6 have to.      Unfortunately, we all know you are in the 7 receiving end and it take 18 months, 2 years for any 8 approvals, so if you can avoid that by having an 9 agreement, a good bounder, a good box to stay inside 10 of that, we can save 2 years of review on 900 hours of 11 cost is a positive direction.
 
12                 MR. HANNAH:       We agree.
12 MR. HANNAH: We agree.
13                 MEMBER KIRCHNER:             To follow on Jose's --
 
14 this Walt Kirchner -- Jose's point. I'm just guessing 15 your methodologies previously were limited to five 16 percent or less enrichment.
13 MEMBER KIRCHNER: To follow on Jose's --
17                 MR. HANNAH:       Correct.
 
18                 MEMBER KIRCHNER:             And then the specific 19 cladding as well?
14 this Walt Kirchner -- Jose's point. I'm just guessing
20                 MR. HANNAH:       Yes, the intent will be for 21 more exotic cladding materials, then LANCR would be 22 the solution. That's right.
 
23                 MEMBER KIRCHNER:             Right.
15 your methodologies previously were limited to five
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16 percent or less enrichment.
 
17 MR. HANNAH: Correct.
 
18 MEMBER KIRCHNER: And then the specific
 
19 cladding as well?
 
20 MR. HANNAH: Yes, the intent will be for
 
21 more exotic cladding materials, then LANCR would be
 
22 the solution. That's right.
 
23 MEMBER KIRCHNER: Right.
 
24 MR. HALAC: This is Kent. I just wanted
 
25 to add one more piece of information. We do a
 
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1 technology update every year between the staff and GNF
 
2 and during that update, we will talk about any and all
 
3 methodology changes so that there is an open line of
 
4 communication and that our standing of what is
 
5 happening, so that there is no misunderstandings about
 
6 changes being done without people understanding what
 
7 to do.
 
8 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I may be using the
 
9 wrong term. Is this part of the GSTAR program?


13 1 technology update every year between the staff and GNF 2 and during that update, we will talk about any and all 3 methodology changes so that there is an open line of 4 communication    and    that    our      standing  of  what        is 5 happening, so that there is no misunderstandings about 6 changes being done without people understanding what 7 to do.
8                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:                I may be using the 9 wrong term. Is this part of the GSTAR program?
10 Your mic --
10 Your mic --
11                MR. HALAC:        Yes, we have hooks in GSTAR 12 for say, like, use programs that require us to provide 13 updates at the GNF technology updates, so yes, GSTAR 14 is part of the equation.
15                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:              Thank you.
16                MR. HANNAH:        So the approach which we at 17 hinted at bit, for some of what's on here, but first 18 for LANCR, it's important to note that there already 19 is an approval basis for revision 3 of the model and 20 qualification topical reports.                    And so what we're 21 doing here is relatively limited in scope for those 22 documents. We're looking to expand the core critical 23 benchmarking enrichment range to support the increase 24 enrichment from five to ten percent.
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14 1 when we originally submitted this, the benchmarking 2 was based against MCNP5.                We're moving to MCNP6.2 and 3 then      an    improved    version        of    that    based  on      some 4 improvements that Los Alamos has basically recommended 5 that isn't yet in 6.2.
11 MR. HALAC: Yes, we have hooks in GSTAR
6                      And then we're also implementing some 7 targeted model improvements that were informed based 8 on extensive benchmarking. So we basically pushed the 9 LANCR cross sections all the way through into the core 10 simulator, did our performance demonstrations and our 11 uncertainty quantifications, and used those results to 12 inform        to  ourselves      where      differences        were    being 13 exhibited compared to our current versions of codes.
14 And that helped us determine where we wanted to go and 15 try to implement some improvements in LANCR.
16                      CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: And once more for the 17 public transcript in case somebody has to read it, 18 this is part of the proprietary, but the benchmark set 19 that you guys used to validate this is very extensive.
20 I don't want to say the numbers. You may want to say 21 the numbers.          I don't know if it's proprietary.                      But 22 it's very extensive.
23                      MR. HANNAH:         Yes, it's a large set of 24 cases. So going forward then so after the LANCR 25 updates,          we went    to      create      the      LANCR  and    PANAC NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433              WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309          www.nealrgross.com


15 1 application LTR.          There were four elements of that 2 that are important to --
12 for say, like, use programs that require us to provide
3                  MEMBER BROWN:          Can I interrupt?
4                  MR. HANNAH:        Of course, yes.
5                  MEMBER    BROWN:            I'm      not a  thermal-6 hydraulics guy.        I used to have to deal with this all 7 the time in my old job, 20 years ago in the Navy, we 8 had the analysis and we used to use Monte Carlo as 9 well, and I remember how we used to update the Monte 10 Carlo standards as we went.                        They were based on 11 experimental data.          Is that -- when you go from 5 to 12 6.2      what  benchmarks        does    the      Monte  Carlo      use?
13 Hopefully, it's experimental data that you do that 14 with?
15                  MR. HANNAH:        That's right, yes.            So I'm 16 comfortable saying in the public session even too, 17 right?        So the concept of benchmarking LANCR, you 18 can't just go code to code against Monte Carlo basis.
19                  MEMBER BROWN: I was hoping you would say 20 that.
21                  MR. HANNAH:        Yes, that gets connected to 22 the Monte Carlo code and the underlying cross sections 23 that are basically used in Monte Carlo and LANCR, get 24 benchmarked against cold critical benchmarks from a 25 criticality perspective and gamma scans for a pen NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433          WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309          www.nealrgross.com


16 1 power distribution.
13 updates at the GNF technology updates, so yes, GSTAR
2                MEMBER BROWN:        Okay, so you've got actual 3 data that you can then validate Monte Carlo against 4 within some uncertainty bands?
5                MR. HANNAH:            That's right.          It's the 6 connected piece in between the actual LANCR and the 7 experiments    because      you    can't      do    the experiments 8 directly into 2D lattice physics.
9                MEMBER BROWN:        The second question was in 10 some of your documents, I didn't see it in these 11 slides and presume this is probably not proprietary, 12 but wasn't one of the purposes of this in order to 13 achieve higher burnups for your fuel as well?                    It was 14 in one of the topical reports.
15                MR. HANNAH: In fact, for LANCR and PANAC, 16 an increase in the burnup range isn't something that 17 we were pursuing.      LANCR was already approved up to a 18 burnup that is bounding of what we need.
19                MEMBER BROWN:            Okay, so the purpose of 20 this then is not to go another step forward.                          That 21 would be another process that you would do later then.
22                MR. HANNAH: Right, the nuclear methods in 23 the core simulator are not perceived to be an obstacle 24 to higher burnups.        There are other areas where that 25 will be necessary.
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17 1                  MEMBER BROWN:          Thank you.
14 is part of the equation.
2                  MR. HANNAH:          So    for      LANCR  and    PANAC 3 application LTR, to enable it to be a foundation for 4 future change, we wanted to kind of document four 5 elements:        defining      the      applicable          methodologies 6 explicitly, kind of state what it is that these codes 7 are        doing  and    how      they        do      it;  clarifying, 8 consolidating          the        uncertainty              quantification 9 approaches which had been scattered across a number of 10 different topical reports in the past, so the intents 11 here was to make that more streamlined for users and 12 for changing the future; demonstrating performance of 13 the codes, against a            broad set of actual operational 14 data; and then establishing update metrics which we 15 just      kind  of  hinted      at    a    moment      before,    update 16 mechanics to say precisely.
17                  So the last thing just to point out the 18 current status just to give you an idea of where we've 19 been and where we're going, we started work on this 20 back in early 2020 as far as the latest iteration of 21 LANCR and PANAC. The actual work on LANCR goes back 22 much farther, way back into the -- before 2010.                              And 23 the approval of Revision 3 was in the 2015-16 time 24 frames. We're picking this back up now as driven by 25 the desire to move to fuel features that ATF enables NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433          WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309            www.nealrgross.com


18 1 like LU+.          So we picked that back up early 2020.
15 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you.
2 Created the licensing topical reports.                        Issued them 3 for review in late 2021.                  We've been going through 4 review cycles since that time. There was an audit with 5 RAIs and RAI responses in the middle of 2022, which 6 led us to the ACRS meeting which we're at today.                            And 7 we're moving forward from there.
8                    We believe we're on track for issuance of 9 an approved version of these LTRs by the end of 2023.
10 It's noted here because it's relevant that the final 11 approval of a supplement for this, Supplement 1, which 12 is the implementation of LANCR and PANAC and the 13 downstream        methods    is    also      happening    in  parallel 14 because you approved the core simulator and LANCR as 15 the underlying cross section, but then you need to 16 actually push that into your system codes and do 17 safety        analyses  and      you    need      to  understand        the 18 qualification          basis        remains          adequate    or        the 19 uncertainties that you're using are still applicable.
20 So that effort is ongoing.                  And we expect to try to 21 complete that around mid-2024 and that's what would 22 enable this in productions.
23                    CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:             Completed the review 24 or complete the topical report?
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19 1 topical report has been submitted and we're through 2 some review phases of it, so that's an end state for 3 approval ideally.
16 MR. HANNAH: So the approach which we at
4                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:                Thank you.
5                MR. HANNAH:         That's all I have.
6                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:                Mike, do we have the 7 staff on line?      So is Scott Krepel on line?              I believe 8 Scott was going to produce some introductory remarks.
9                MR. KREPEL:              (Speaking      through        an 10 interpreter)      Can everyone hear me?
11                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:                Yes, we can.      We can 12 see you.
13                MR. KREPEL:              Okay, great.        I'm Scott 14 Krepel.        I'm    speaking        through        a sign  language 15 interpreter.      I'm the Branch Chief for the Nuclear 16 Methods and Fuel Analysis Branch with which is the 17 branch within the technical reviewers like Matthew who 18 did the review.
19                I am happy to have my staff present the 20 results of the review of these three topical reports 21 for LANCR. As you, I'm sure, are already aware, this 22 supports ATF-related activities since LANCR would be 23 approved for higher than five percent -- five weight 24 percent U235.
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20 1 well together to address all of the issues and get 2 them resolved satisfactorily including some last-3 minute things that came up that will be discussed at 4 a later point during the presentation.
17 hinted at bit, for some of what's on here, but first
5                    So I just wanted to give those remarks and 6 thank you for your time.
7                    CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:            Thank you, Scott.        So 8 I guess we move to Matthew Panicker to make the open 9 session interaction by the staff.
10                    MR. PANICKER: I am Matthew Panicker. I am 11 a member of the Nuclear Materials and Fuel Analysis 12 Group in the Division of Safety System of NRI.                            And 13 this is a short presentation open to the public to the 14 ACRS today.
15                    Next slide.        Short list of topics covered 16 in the open session in relation to the background.
17 Review based on regulatory evaluation and review of 18 the guidance.        It mainly is about NEDC-33935 topical 19 report        which    is      LANCR02,          PANAC11  application 20 methodology and early on I have a slide on short 21 summary and conclusions by the staff.
22                    Next slide.          The Global Nuclear Fuels 23 Americas updates its nuclear methods to enable lessons 24 and limits.        The three TRs are the main, NEDC-33935 25 Revision        0,      application            methodology  and        the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433            WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309        www.nealrgross.com


21 1 supporting topical reports are NEDC-33376P LANCR2 2 physics model and NEDC-33377P, Revision 4, lattice 3 physics model qualification reports.
18 for LANCR, it's important to note that there already
4                  The  qualification            reports    consist        of 5 figures to verify the cross sections and also some 6 test cases.
7                  Next  slide,        please.          The  regulatory 8 evaluation is then based on GDC10 and Section 50.34.
9 (Unintelligible) requires licensees to perform safety 10 analysis.
11                  And most of the new guidance is coming out 12 of Section 4.3 Nuclear Design of NUREG-0800 Standard 13 Review Plan for review of safety analysis report for 14 nuclear power plants.              The list of areas of guidance 15 are listed in the closed session.
16                  Next    slide,         please.            NEDC-33935 17 Application methodologies applied to various fuel 18 designs approved for evaluation with LANCR02. LANCR02 19 is a lattice physics code that is used to process 20 nuclear        data  for  use      in    the      downstream    analysis 21 methods.        PANAC11 is the static evaluation couple 22 nuclear          thermal        hydraulic            review    program.
23 (Unintelligible) boiling water reactor code exclusive 24 of the external flow loop.
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22 1 (unintelligible) and test cases (unintelligible) 6.2 2 qualification. There is also a section on performance 3 evaluation through compression qualifications and the 4 TR    establishes  guidelines          for    future    updates        for 5 normal and uncertainty ranges.
19 is an approval basis for revision 3 of the model and
6                Next slide, please.                The staff reviewed 7 all the TRs submitted for review. Staff reviewed the 8 methodology for efficacy demonstration and uncertainty 9 quantification. They reviewed the model distribution, 10 topical report and quantification topical report and 11 models were included in the code to predict the level 12 of physical processes for lattice physics analysis.
13                The results of this quantification or 14 qualification        analysis          just          confirmed          the 15 applicability      of   the      latest        ENDF/B-VII.0        cross 16 sections to analyze BWR.
17                Staff reviewed the LANCR02 model, the 18 LANCR02 model qualification, and LANCR02 application 19 methodology TR against acceptance criteria specified 20 in SRV 4.3, of the SRV which is titled nuclear design.
21                That is my last slide for this.
22                CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:              Thank you, Matthew.
23 It's      not on the    slide,        but      again    for  the      open 24 transcript for the record, it is the intention of the 25 staff to issue a safety evaluation report approving NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433        WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309          www.nealrgross.com


23 1 this methodology for use in future applications.                              I 2 guess that's the conclusion.                 And you say yes?
20 qualification topical reports. And so what we're
3                  MR. PANICKER:          Yes.        That is one of my 4 slides in the closed session.
5                  CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:              I guess it's a good 6 conclusion for the transcript.
7                  MR. PANICKER:          Okay.
8                  CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Any questions from the 9 members.      Yes?
10                  MEMBER KIRCHNER:            Just to elaborate on --
11 this is Walt Kirchner.            Good afternoon, Matthew.
12                  MR. PANICKER:          Good afternoon.
13                  MEMBER    KIRCHNER:                From  the    staff's 14 perspective, the physics methods that they already 15 have are already demonstrated to predict accurately 16 the benchmarks that are used for BWR simulations. So 17 the physics models don't change.                  The cross sections, 18 okay, you're using ENDF/B-VII.0, right?
19                  What were the big issues or areas that the 20 staff focused on because on the surface, these models 21 should -- seven or eight percent is not a big stretch 22 over five percent. So what were you looking at when 23 you did your review?            What were your focus areas to 24 come to a conclusion that you would issue an SE 25 approving these methodologies? I'm trying to draw you NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433          WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309          www.nealrgross.com


24 1 out for the public record.                 What's the big deal here?
21 doing here is relatively limited in scope for those
2                     MR. PANICKER:         What I was saying was how 3 did the quantification of all the uncertainties when 4 you analyzed the BWR and then since they're asking 5 about         (unintelligible),           they       are   looking         for 6 (unintelligible) test cases where some of the test 7 cases are concentrated on higher end of the spectrum 8 and whether there is a comparison between what makes 9 it nicer with the NCNV because the two codes are 10 slightly different configuration.                         One of them is 11 analytical and one is statistical.                       So these are some 12 of the main.         And also the (unintelligible) updates 13 which we will describe in the closed session.
 
14                     MEMBER KIRCHNER:           And then with regard to 15 an 11 by 11 lattice configuration, what were you 16 looking for there to draw your conclusion that these 17 methods are applicable?
22 documents. We're looking to expand the core critical
18                     MR. PANICKER: What we are looking for was 19 if the -- can the core be applicable to an 11 by 11 20 configuration. And also whether when they're going to 21 an 11 by 11 configuration, the uncertainty is provided 22 in     the     application     methodology           TR. They   are     all 23 method, they should describe that they should be 24 within those ranges of applicability.                         These are the 25 two main things we look for.
 
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23 benchmarking enrichment range to support the increase
 
24 enrichment from five to ten percent.
 
25 Updating the qualification basis, back
 
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1 when we originally submitted this, the benchmarking
 
2 was based against MCNP5. We're moving to MCNP6.2 and
 
3 then an improved version of that based on some
 
4 improvements that Los Alamos has basically recommended
 
5 that isn't yet in 6.2.
 
6 And then we're also implementing some
 
7 targeted model improvements that were informed based
 
8 on extensive benchmarking. So we basically pushed the
 
9 LANCR cross sections all the way through into the core
 
10 simulator, did our performance demonstrations and our
 
11 uncertainty quantifications, and used those results to
 
12 inform to ourselves where differences were being
 
13 exhibited compared to our current versions of codes.
 
14 And that helped us determine where we wanted to go and
 
15 try to implement some improvements in LANCR.
 
16 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: And once more for the
 
17 public transcript in case somebody has to read it,
 
18 this is part of the proprietary, but the benchmark set
 
19 that you guys used to validate this is very extensive.
 
20 I don't want to say the numbers. You may want to say
 
21 the numbers. I don't know if it's proprietary. But
 
22 it's very extensive.
 
23 MR. HANNAH: Yes, it's a large set of
 
24 cases. So going forward then so after the LANCR
 
25 updates, we went to create the LANCR and PANAC
 
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1 application LTR. There were four elements of that
 
2 that are important to --
 
3 MEMBER BROWN: Can I interrupt?
 
4 MR. HANNAH: Of course, yes.
 
5 MEMBER BROWN: I'm not a thermal-
 
6 hydraulics guy. I used to have to deal with this all
 
7 the time in my old job, 20 years ago in the Navy, we
 
8 had the analysis and we used to use Monte Carlo as
 
9 well, and I remember how we used to update the Monte
 
10 Carlo standards as we went. They were based on
 
11 experimental data. Is that -- when you go from 5 to
 
12 6.2 what benchmarks does the Monte Carlo use?
 
13 Hopefully, it's experimental data that you do that
 
14 with?
 
15 MR. HANNAH: That's right, yes. So I'm
 
16 comfortable saying in the public session even too,
 
17 right? So the concept of benchmarking LANCR, you
 
18 can't just go code to code against Monte Carlo basis.
 
19 MEMBER BROWN: I was hoping you would say
 
20 that.
 
21 MR. HANNAH: Yes, that gets connected to
 
22 the Monte Carlo code and the underlying cross sections
 
23 that are basically used in Monte Carlo and LANCR, get
 
24 benchmarked against cold critical benchmarks from a
 
25 criticality perspective and gamma scans for a pen
 
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1 power distribution.
 
2 MEMBER BROWN: Okay, so you've got actual
 
3 data that you can then validate Monte Carlo against
 
4 within some uncertainty bands?
 
5 MR. HANNAH: That's right. It's the
 
6 connected piece in between the actual LANCR and the
 
7 experiments because you can't do the experiments
 
8 directly into 2D lattice physics.
 
9 MEMBER BROWN: The second question was in
 
10 some of your documents, I didn't see it in these
 
11 slides and presume this is probably not proprietary,
 
12 but wasn't one of the purposes of this in order to
 
13 achieve higher burnups for your fuel as well? It was
 
14 in one of the topical reports.
 
15 MR. HANNAH: In fact, for LANCR and PANAC,
 
16 an increase in the burnup range isn't something that
 
17 we were pursuing. LANCR was already approved up to a
 
18 burnup that is bounding of what we need.
 
19 MEMBER BROWN: Okay, so the purpose of
 
20 this then is not to go another step forward. That
 
21 would be another process that you would do later then.
 
22 MR. HANNAH: Right, the nuclear methods in
 
23 the core simulator are not perceived to be an obstacle
 
24 to higher burnups. There are other areas where that
 
25 will be necessary.
 
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1 MEMBER BROWN: Thank you.
 
2 MR. HANNAH: So for LANCR and PANAC
 
3 application LTR, to enable it to be a foundation for
 
4 future change, we wanted to kind of document four
 
5 elements: defining the applicable methodologies
 
6 explicitly, kind of state what it is that these codes
 
7 are doing and how they do it; clarifying,
 
8 consolidating the uncertainty quantification
 
9 approaches which had been scattered across a number of
 
10 different topical reports in the past, so the intents
 
11 here was to make that more streamlined for users and
 
12 for changing the future; demonstrating performance of
 
13 the codes, against a broad set of actual operational
 
14 data; and then establishing update metrics which we
 
15 just kind of hinted at a moment before, update
 
16 mechanics to say precisely.
 
17 So the last thing just to point out the
 
18 current status just to give you an idea of where we've
 
19 been and where we're going, we started work on this
 
20 back in early 2020 as far as the latest iteration of
 
21 LANCR and PANAC. The actual work on LANCR goes back
 
22 much farther, way back into the -- before 2010. And
 
23 the approval of Revision 3 was in the 2015-16 time
 
24 frames. We're picking this back up now as driven by
 
25 the desire to move to fuel features that ATF enables
 
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1 like LU+. So we picked that back up early 2020.
 
2 Created the licensing topical reports. Issued them
 
3 for review in late 2021. We've been going through
 
4 review cycles since that time. There was an audit with
 
5 RAIs and RAI responses in the middle of 2022, which
 
6 led us to the ACRS meeting which we're at today. And
 
7 we're moving forward from there.
 
8 We believe we're on track for issuance of
 
9 an approved version of these LTRs by the end of 2023.
 
10 It's noted here because it's relevant that the final
 
11 approval of a supplement for this, Supplement 1, which
 
12 is the implementation of LANCR and PANAC and the
 
13 downstream methods is also happening in parallel
 
14 because you approved the core simulator and LANCR as
 
15 the underlying cross section, but then you need to
 
16 actually push that into your system codes and do
 
17 safety analyses and you need to understand the
 
18 qualification basis remains adequate or the
 
19 uncertainties that you're using are still applicable.
 
20 So that effort is ongoing. And we expect to try to
 
21 complete that around mid-2024 and that's what would
 
22 enable this in productions.
 
23 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Completed the review
 
24 or complete the topical report?
 
25 MR. HANNAH: Complete the review. So the
 
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1 topical report has been submitted and we're through
 
2 some review phases of it, so that's an end state for
 
3 approval ideally.
 
4 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you.
 
5 MR. HANNAH: That's all I have.
 
6 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Mike, do we have the
 
7 staff on line? So is Scott Krepel on line? I believe
 
8 Scott was going to produce some introductory remarks.
 
9 MR. KREPEL: (Speaking through an
 
10 interpreter) Can everyone hear me?
 
11 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Yes, we can. We can
 
12 see you.
 
13 MR. KREPEL: Okay, great. I'm Scott
 
14 Krepel. I'm speaking through a sign language
 
15 interpreter. I'm the Branch Chief for the Nuclear
 
16 Methods and Fuel Analysis Branch with which is the
 
17 branch within the technical reviewers like Matthew who
 
18 did the review.
 
19 I am happy to have my staff present the
 
20 results of the review of these three topical reports
 
21 for LANCR. As you, I'm sure, are already aware, this
 
22 supports ATF-related activities since LANCR would be
 
23 approved for higher than five percent -- five weight
 
24 percent U235.
 
25 And I think that GEH and the staff worked
 
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1 well together to address all of the issues and get
 
2 them resolved satisfactorily including some last-
 
3 minute things that came up that will be discussed at
 
4 a later point during the presentation.
 
5 So I just wanted to give those remarks and
 
6 thank you for your time.
 
7 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Scott. So
 
8 I guess we move to Matthew Panicker to make the open
 
9 session interaction by the staff.
 
10 MR. PANICKER: I am Matthew Panicker. I am
 
11 a member of the Nuclear Materials and Fuel Analysis
 
12 Group in the Division of Safety System of NRI. And
 
13 this is a short presentation open to the public to the
 
14 ACRS today.
 
15 Next slide. Short list of topics covered
 
16 in the open session in relation to the background.
 
17 Review based on regulatory evaluation and review of
 
18 the guidance. It mainly is about NEDC-33935 topical
 
19 report which is LANCR02, PANAC11 application
 
20 methodology and early on I have a slide on short
 
21 summary and conclusions by the staff.
 
22 Next slide. The Global Nuclear Fuels
 
23 Americas updates its nuclear methods to enable lessons
 
24 and limits. The three TRs are the main, NEDC-33935
 
25 Revision 0, application methodology and the
 
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1 supporting topical reports are NEDC-33376P LANCR2
 
2 physics model and NEDC-33377P, Revision 4, lattice
 
3 physics model qualification reports.
 
4 The qualification reports consist of
 
5 figures to verify the cross sections and also some
 
6 test cases.
 
7 Next slide, please. The regulatory
 
8 evaluation is then based on GDC10 and Section 50.34.
 
9 (Unintelligible) requires licensees to perform safety
 
10 analysis.
 
11 And most of the new guidance is coming out
 
12 of Section 4.3 Nuclear Design of NUREG-0800 Standard
 
13 Review Plan for review of safety analysis report for
 
14 nuclear power plants. The list of areas of guidance
 
15 are listed in the closed session.
 
16 Next slide, please. NEDC-33935
 
17 Application methodologies applied to various fuel
 
18 designs approved for evaluation with LANCR02. LANCR02
 
19 is a lattice physics code that is used to process
 
20 nuclear data for use in the downstream analysis
 
21 methods. PANAC11 is the static evaluation couple
 
22 nuclear thermal hydraulic review program.
 
23 (Unintelligible) boiling water reactor code exclusive
 
24 of the external flow loop.
 
25 Next slide, please. A summary of the
 
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1 (unintelligible) and test cases (unintelligible) 6.2
 
2 qualification. There is also a section on performance
 
3 evaluation through compression qualifications and the
 
4 TR establishes guidelines for future updates for
 
5 normal and uncertainty ranges.
 
6 Next slide, please. The staff reviewed
 
7 all the TRs submitted for review. Staff reviewed the
 
8 methodology for efficacy demonstration and uncertainty
 
9 quantification. They reviewed the model distribution,
 
10 topical report and quantification topical report and
 
11 models were included in the code to predict the level
 
12 of physical processes for lattice physics analysis.
 
13 The results of this quantification or
 
14 qualification analysis just confirmed the
 
15 applicability of the latest ENDF/B-VII.0 cross
 
16 sections to analyze BWR.
 
17 Staff reviewed the LANCR02 model, the
 
18 LANCR02 model qualification, and LANCR02 application
 
19 methodology TR against acceptance criteria specified
 
20 in SRV 4.3, of the SRV which is titled nuclear design.
 
21 That is my last slide for this.
 
22 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Matthew.
 
23 It's not on the slide, but again for the open
 
24 transcript for the record, it is the intention of the
 
25 staff to issue a safety evaluation report approving
 
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1 this methodology for use in future applications. I
 
2 guess that's the conclusion. And you say yes?
 
3 MR. PANICKER: Yes. That is one of my
 
4 slides in the closed session.
 
5 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I guess it's a good
 
6 conclusion for the transcript.
 
7 MR. PANICKER: Okay.
 
8 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Any questions from the
 
9 members. Yes?
 
10 MEMBER KIRCHNER: Just to elaborate on --
 
11 this is Walt Kirchner. Good afternoon, Matthew.
 
12 MR. PANICKER: Good afternoon.
 
13 MEMBER KIRCHNER: From the staff's
 
14 perspective, the physics methods that they already
 
15 have are already demonstrated to predict accurately
 
16 the benchmarks that are used for BWR simulations. So
 
17 the physics models don't change. The cross sections,
 
18 okay, you're using ENDF/B-VII.0, right?
 
19 What were the big issues or areas that the
 
20 staff focused on because on the surface, these models
 
21 should -- seven or eight percent is not a big stretch
 
22 over five percent. So what were you looking at when
 
23 you did your review? What were your focus areas to
 
24 come to a conclusion that you would issue an SE
 
25 approving these methodologies? I'm trying to draw you
 
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1 out for the public record. What's the big deal here?
 
2 MR. PANICKER: What I was saying was how
 
3 did the quantification of all the uncertainties when
 
4 you analyzed the BWR and then since they're asking
 
5 about (unintelligible), they are looking for
 
6 (unintelligible) test cases where some of the test
 
7 cases are concentrated on higher end of the spectrum
 
8 and whether there is a comparison between what makes
 
9 it nicer with the NCNV because the two codes are
 
10 slightly different configuration. One of them is
 
11 analytical and one is statistical. So these are some
 
12 of the main. And also the (unintelligible) updates
 
13 which we will describe in the closed session.
 
14 MEMBER KIRCHNER: And then with regard to
 
15 an 11 by 11 lattice configuration, what were you
 
16 looking for there to draw your conclusion that these
 
17 methods are applicable?
 
18 MR. PANICKER: What we are looking for was
 
19 if the -- can the core be applicable to an 11 by 11
 
20 configuration. And also whether when they're going to
 
21 an 11 by 11 configuration, the uncertainty is provided
 
22 in the application methodology TR. They are all
 
23 method, they should describe that they should be
 
24 within those ranges of applicability. These are the
 
25 two main things we look for.
 
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1 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Walt. I
 
2 wanted to place also in the open session, I like very
 
3 much the approach used on the SER, on the limitations
 
4 and conditions section. I'm used to seeing SERs that
 
5 have 25 limitations. Here, you took the approach of
 
6 dividing that into range of applicability and real
 
7 limitations. So what sort of limitations and
 
8 conditions on SERs are not real limitations? They're
 
9 redefining what's already in topical report. This is
 
10 only good up to 11 by 11 with this type of cladding
 
11 within this pressure range. So I want to give
 
12 positive reinforcement to the staff that I like two
 
13 sections on the limitation and condition. One is not
 
14 even a limitation which is the range of applicability.
 
15 Another one is real limitations where there was a
 
16 deficiency on the benchmarking above certain range. So
 
17 I think you guys did a good job, staff, on that.
 
18 Any more comments, questions from members?
 
19 So at this point, we're going to open the microphone
 
20 to members of the public. If somebody wants to make
 
21 a comment, please open your microphone and say it.


25 1                    CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA:              Thank you, Walt.            I 2 wanted to place also in the open session, I like very 3 much the approach used on the SER, on the limitations 4 and conditions section.                I'm used to seeing SERs that 5 have 25 limitations.              Here, you took the approach of 6 dividing that into range of applicability and real 7 limitations.          So    what      sort        of      limitations        and 8 conditions on SERs are not real limitations?                          They're 9 redefining what's already in topical report. This is 10 only good up to 11 by 11 with this type of cladding 11 within        this  pressure        range.          So    I  want  to    give 12 positive reinforcement to the staff that I like two 13 sections on the limitation and condition.                        One is not 14 even a limitation which is the range of applicability.
15 Another one is real limitations where there was a 16 deficiency on the benchmarking above certain range. So 17 I think you guys did a good job, staff, on that.
18                    Any more comments, questions from members?
19 So at this point, we're going to open the microphone 20 to members of the public.                  If somebody wants to make 21 a comment, please open your microphone and say it.
22 We'll give you five seconds to comment.
22 We'll give you five seconds to comment.
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26 1 reviewed the SER and the topical reports and I haven't 2 found any serious deficiency that would merit a letter 3 from       us to the     staff       pointing         out something.
23 Seeing none, we are going to close this
4 Basically, our letter would say the standard, both GE 5 and staff did a great job publishing the SER. Because 6 of that, I am proposing that we use our methodology 7 that we will write a short paragraph describing the 8 methodology and describing the recommendation of the 9 subcommittee chair and we will review it and approve 10 it, hopefully, during the P&P session of the full 11 committee which is the only one that has authority to 12 make the decision.
 
13                 So if during the closed session we are 14 going be looking at the actual details, you find 15 something that merits a comment, please keep in mind 16 that we can always backtrack.
24 session, but before we go off the transcript, I wanted
17                  With that, we are in recess and this 18 meeting link is going to disappear.                    We will not come 19 back to this room.          So we are in recess.
 
20                  (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter went 21 off the record at 1:34 p.m.)
25 to ask the members, inform the members, that I have
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1 reviewed the SER and the topical reports and I haven't
 
2 found any serious deficiency that would merit a letter
 
3 from us to the staff pointing out something.
 
4 Basically, our letter would say the standard, both GE
 
5 and staff did a great job publishing the SER. Because
 
6 of that, I am proposing that we use our methodology
 
7 that we will write a short paragraph describing the
 
8 methodology and describing the recommendation of the
 
9 subcommittee chair and we will review it and approve
 
10 it, hopefully, during the P&P session of the full
 
11 committee which is the only one that has authority to
 
12 make the decision.
 
13 So if during the closed session we are
 
14 going be looking at the actual details, you find
 
15 something that merits a comment, please keep in mind


ENCLOSURE 1 M230070 ACRS Subcommittee Open Session Presentation Slides for Revision 0 of LANCR02/PANAC11 and Revision 4 of LANCR02 Licensing Topical Reports Non-Proprietary Information
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NonProprietary Information LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology Review NEDE33776P Revision 4 - LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model Description NEDE33777P Revision 4 - LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model Qualification Report NEDE33935P Revision 0 - LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology June 6th, 2023 ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023 Rockville, MD
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* Background
* Licensing Topical Report (LTR) Development Overview
* Drivers
* Approach
* Current Status ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD 2


Non-Proprietary Information LTR Development
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===Background===
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* TGBLA06/PANAC11 is GNFs approved core simulator in use today
* TGBLA06 application range limited with respect to the next phase of fuel development
* LANCR02 approved from a model and qualification perspective, but no current approval basis coupled with a nodal solver for core simulation support
* Three (3) Licensing Topical Reports (LTRs) submitted to support use of LANCR02/PANAC11 as approved core simulator:
* NEDE33776P Revision 4 - LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model Description
* NEDE33777P Revision 4 - LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model Qualification Report
* NEDE33935P Revision 0 - LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD                3


Non-Proprietary Information LTR Development Drivers
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* Expand core simulator application range by enabling use of LANCR02 as lattice physics solver
* LEU+ : Fuel Enriched >5% and 10% in U235
* 11x11 : Support evaluation of plants with 11x11 fuel products
* Update GNF core simulator approval basis
* Establish a new foundation upon which an incremental improvement approach can be established
* Make minimal changes in Revision 0 to enable simplified review ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD    4


Non-Proprietary Information LTR Development (continued)
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Approach
* Update LANCR02 LTRs
* Expand cold critical benchmarking enrichment range
* Update qualification basis (MCNP5 > Improved MCNP6.2)
* Implement targeted model improvement based on extensive benchmarking
* Create LANCR02/PANAC11 Application LTR
* Define applicable methodologies
* Clarify and consolidate uncertainty quantification approach
* Demonstrate performance
* Establish update mechanics ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD        5


Non-Proprietary Information Current Status Milestones/Schedule
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* On track for issuance of approved (i.e, -A) version of LTRs by end of 2023
* Final approval of NEDO-33935 Supplement 1, Implementation of LANCR02/PANAC11 in Downstream Methods (parallel effort, not in scope of this review) expected mid-2024.
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Non-Proprietary Information U. S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION STAFFS EVALUATION OF GLOBAL NUCLEAR FUELS - AMERICAS TOPICAL REPORTS NEDC-33935P, REVISION 0, LANCR02/PANAC11 APPLICATION METHODOLOGY, NEDC-33377P, REVISION 4, LANCR02 LATTICE PHYSICS MODEL QUALIFICATION REPORT, AND NEDC-33376P, REVISION 4, LANCR02 LATTICE PHYSICS MODEL DESCRIPTION Mathew Panicker, Nuclear Methods and Fuel Analysis Division of Safety Systems Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Subcommittee Meeting Open Session June 6, 2023
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TOPICS COVERED
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ACRS Subcommittee Open Session Presentation Slides for Revision 0 of LANCR02/PANAC11 and Revision 4 of LANCR02 Licensing Topical Reports
 
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U. S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION STAFFS EVALUATION OF GLOBAL NUCLEAR FUELS - AMERICAS TOPICAL REPORTS NEDC-33935P, REVISION 0, LANCR02/PANAC11 APPLICATION METHODOLOGY, NEDC-33377P, REVISION 4, LANCR02 LATTICE PHYSICS MODEL QUALIFICATION REPORT, AND NEDC-33376P, REVISION 4, LANCR02 LATTICE PHYSICS MODEL DESCRIPTION
 
Mathew Panicker, Nuclear Methods and Fuel Analysis Division of Safety Systems
 
Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Subcommittee Meeting Open Session June 6, 2023 TOPICS COVERED
* Introduction and Background
* Introduction and Background
* Regulatory Evaluation, Review Guidance
* Regulatory Evaluation, Review Guidance
* NEDC-33935P, Revision 0, Topical Report (TR) Application Methodology
* NEDC-33935P, Revision 0, Topical Report (TR) Application Methodology
* NRC Staffs Summary and Conclusions 2
* NRC Staffs Summary and Conclusions


INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND
2 INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND
* Global Nuclear Fuels - Americas (GNF-A) is updating its Nuclear Methods to enable fuel enrichments above the current licensing limits.
* Global Nuclear Fuels - Americas (GNF-A) is updating its Nuclear Methods to enable fuel enrichments above the current licensing limits.
* Three TRs submitted for review:
* Three TRs submitted for review:
  - NEDC-33935P, Revision 0, LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology
  - NEDC-33376P, Revision 4, LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model
  - NEDC-33377P, Revision 4, LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model Qualification Report 3


REGULATORY EVALUATION REVIEW GUIDANCE
- NEDC-33935P, Revision 0, LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology
 
- NEDC-33376P, Revision 4, LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model
 
- NEDC-33377P, Revision 4, LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model Qualification Report
 
3 REGULATORY EVALUATION REVIEW GUIDANCE
* General Design Criterion (GDC) 10 of Appendix A to Part 50, GDC for Nuclear Power Plants
* General Design Criterion (GDC) 10 of Appendix A to Part 50, GDC for Nuclear Power Plants
* Section 50.34 of the Title 10 to the Code of Federal Regulations (10 CFR) requires licensees to perform safety analyses of their facilities
* Section 50.34 of the Title 10 to the Code of Federal Regulations (10 CFR) requires licensees to perform safety analyses of their facilities
* Section 4.3, Nuclear Design, of the NUREG-0800, Standard Review Plan for the Review of Safety Analysis Reports for Nuclear Power Plants (SRP) 4
* Section 4.3, Nuclear Design, of the NUREG -0800, Standard Review Plan for the Review of Safety Analysis Reports for Nuclear Power Plants (SRP)


NEDC-33935P, REVISION 0, APPLICATION METHODOLOGY
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* Applied to various fuel designs approved for evaluation with LANCR02.
* Applied to various fuel designs approved for evaluation with LANCR02.
* LANCR02 is a 2-Dimensional lattice physics code that is used to process nuclear data for use in the downstream analysis methods.
* LANCR02 is a 2-Dimensional lattice physics code that is used to process nuclear data for use in the downstream analysis methods.
* PANAC11 is a static 3-Dimensional coupled nuclear-thermal-hydraulic computer program representing the boiling water reactor (BWR) core exclusive of the external flow loop.
* PANAC11 is a static 3-Dimensional coupled nuclear-thermal-hydraulic computer program representing the boiling water reactor (BWR) core exclusive of the external flow loop.
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==SUMMARY==
==SUMMARY==
OF TR DEVELOPMENT
OF TR DEVELOPMENT
* Cold criticals and test cases for benchmarking LANCR02 validation with Monte-Carlo N-Particle (MCNP) code include higher enrichment.
* Cold criticals and test cases for benchmarking LANCR02 validation with Monte-Carlo N -Particle (MCNP) code include higher enrichment.
* Updated MCNP5 to MCNP6.2 for qualification.
* Updated MCNP5 to MCNP6.2 for qualification.
* LANCR02/PANAC11 Application TR defines methodologies.
* LANCR02/PANAC11 Application TR defines methodologies.
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* Assessment of LANCR02/PANAC11 performance through operational qualifications.
* Assessment of LANCR02/PANAC11 performance through operational qualifications.
* TR establishes guidelines for future updates for model and uncertainty ranges.
* TR establishes guidelines for future updates for model and uncertainty ranges.
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THE NRC STAFFS  
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==SUMMARY==
==SUMMARY==
AND CONCLUSIONS The NRC staff reviewed the LANCR02/PANAC11 methodology for efficacy demonstration and uncertainty quantification.
AND CONCLUSIONS
 
The NRC staff reviewed the LANCR02/PANAC11 methodology for efficacy demonstration and uncertainty quantification.
 
The NRC staff reviewed the model description TR and the qualification TR and concludes that adequate models were included in the code to predict the relevant physical processes important for lattice physics analyses.
The NRC staff reviewed the model description TR and the qualification TR and concludes that adequate models were included in the code to predict the relevant physical processes important for lattice physics analyses.
The results of these qualification analyses justified the applicability of the ENDF/B-VII.0 cross sections to analyze BWRs.
The results of these qualification analyses justified the applicability of the ENDF/B-VII.0 cross sections to analyze BWRs.
The NRC staff reviewed the LANCR02 Model, LANCR02 Model qualification, and LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology TRs against the acceptance criteria specified in SRP Section 4.3, Nuclear Design.
The NRC staff reviewed the LANCR02 Model, LANCR02 Model qualification, and LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology TRs against the acceptance criteria specified in SRP Section 4.3, Nuclear Design.
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Attendance List Name                               Timestamp Michael Snodderly                 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM Thomas Dashiell                   6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM Gerond George                     6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Kate Lenning                       6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM John Hannan (GNF-A)               6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Halac, Kent E (GE Vernova)         6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Larry Burkhart                     6/6/2023, 12:34:43 PM Mathew Panicker                   6/6/2023, 12:36:51 PM Ron Ballinger                     6/6/2023, 12:42:57 PM Gregory Halnon                     6/6/2023, 12:43:49 PM Court Reporter1                   6/6/2023, 12:46:58 PM Tammy Skov                         6/6/2023, 12:49:10 PM Vesna B Dimitrijevic (Guest)       6/6/2023, 12:49:30 PM Vicki Bier                         6/6/2023, 12:49:46 PM Robert Williams                    6/6/2023, 12:59:15 PM Roberts, Thomas E                 6/6/2023, 12:59:40 PM Zena Abdullahi                     6/6/2023, 1:01:29 PM Richard Fu                         6/6/2023, 1:02:27 PM Benjamin Parks (He/Him/His)       6/6/2023, 1:03:12 PM Gregory Suber                     6/6/2023, 1:07:17 PM Sandra Walker                      6/6/2023, 1:09:05 PM Kevin Heller                       6/6/2023, 1:11:15 PM Sign Language Interpreter         6/6/2023, 1:12:03 PM Jennifer - ASL interpreter (Guest) 6/6/2023, 1:12:04 PM Scott Krepel                       6/6/2023, 1:13:24 PM}}
7 Attendance List Name Timestamp Michael Snodderly 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM Thomas Dashiell 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM Gerond George 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Kate Lenning 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM John Hannan (GNF-A) 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Halac, Kent E (GE Vernova) 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Larry Burkhart 6/6/2023, 12:34:43 PM Mathew Panicker 6/6/2023, 12:36:51 PM Ron Ballinger 6/6/2023, 12:42:57 PM Gregory Halnon 6/6/2023, 12:43:49 PM Court Reporter1 6/6/2023, 12:46:58 PM Tammy Skov 6/6/2023, 12:49:10 PM Vesna B Dimitrijevic (Guest) 6/6/2023, 12:49:30 PM Vicki Bier 6/6/2023, 12:49:46 PM Robert W illiams 6/6/2023, 12:59:15 PM Roberts, Thomas E 6/6/2023, 12:59:40 PM Zena Abdullahi 6/6/2023, 1:01:29 PM Richard Fu 6/6/2023, 1:02:27 PM Benjamin Parks (He/Him/His) 6/6/2023, 1:03:12 PM Gregory Suber 6/6/2023, 1:07:17 PM Sandra W alker 6/6/2023, 1:09:05 PM Kevin Heller 6/6/2023, 1:11:15 PM Sign Language Interpreter 6/6/2023, 1:12:03 PM Jennifer - ASL interpreter (Guest) 6/6/2023, 1:12:04 PM Scott Krepel 6/6/2023, 1:13:24 PM}}

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18 COMMITTEE MEMBERS:

19 JOSE MARCH-LEUBA, Chair

20 RONALD G. BALLINGER, Member

21 VICKI BIER, Member

22 CHARLES H. BROWN, JR., Member

23 VESNA DIMITRIJEVIC, Member

24 GREGORY HALNON, Member

25 WALT KIRCHNER, Member

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2 JOY L. REMPE, Member

3 MATTHEW SUNSERI, Member

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5 DESIGNATED FEDERAL OFFICIAL:

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10 JOHN HANNAH, GNF

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1 TABLE OF CONTENTS

2 Opening Remarks, Jose March-Leuba, Chair 4

3 Discussion of GNF Topical Reports on

4 LANCR02 Computer Programs for

5 Evaluating Fuel Lattices, John

6 Hannah, GNF 7

7 Staff's Evaluation of GNF Topical Reports,

8 Matthew Panicker, NRR 20

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2 1:00 P.M.

3 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: The meeting will now

4 come to order. This is a meeting of the Accident

5 Analysis Thermal Hydraulics Subcommittee. I am Jose

6 March-Leuba, the SC chair.

7 In addition to in-person attendance at NRC

8 headquarters, the meeting is broadcasted via MS Teams.

9 Members in attendance are Ronald Ballinger, Vicki

10 Bier, Charles Brown, Vesna Dimitrijevic, Greg Halnon,

11 Walter Kirchner, David Petti, Joy Rempe, and Matthew

12 Sunseri.

13 Today, we are reviewing topical report

14 NEDE-33935P, Revision 0, by Global Nuclear Fuel

15 Americas entitled LANCR02/PANAC11 application

16 methodology, and two associated methodology

17 qualification reports.

18 These reports support a combined use of

19 the LANCR02 and PANAC11 codes for modeling neutronics

20 and thermal hydraulic BWR core physics.

21 Portions of our meeting will be closed to

22 the public to protect GNF priority information. We

23 have not received requests to provide comments, but we

24 have an opportunity for public comments before the

25 beginning of the closed session of the meeting.

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21 microphone on mute when not being used.

22 We are now ready for the GNF presentation.

23 Kent Halac of General Electric Hitachi will present

24 some opening remarks and introduce the GNF presenters.

25 Remember, this is the open session of the

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1 meeting. Questions that may need proprietary

2 information should be discussed in the closed session.

3 Kent?

4 MR. HALAC: Thank you. This is Kent

5 Halac, General Electric. We're representing Global

6 Nuclear Fuels. I brought with me John Hannah,

7 principal engineer in our Advanced Methods Group.

8 Thank you for having us today. We have some

9 interesting material that pushes our technology

10 forward and enables increased enrichment which is one

11 of the objectives of these updates.

12 We're here to answer any questions you may

13 have about the technology. And just note that LANCR

14 and PANAC are both approved technologies, and this is

15 the combination of LANCR with PANACEA for the

16 application method and we're going to be talking about

17 LANCR02 updates to enable increased enrichment.

18 With that, I'll move to John.

19 MR. HANNAH: Thanks, Kent. This is John

20 Hannah as Kent introduced --

21 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Sorry, there is a very

22 narrow field of view for the mic. If you cannot hear

23 yourself on --

24 MR. HANNAH: Then you can't hear. Okay

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2 MR. HANNAH: I'm going to try again.

3 Okay, now I can hear me.

4 This is John Hannah from Global Nuclear

5 Fuels as Kent suggested. So I am here representing

6 the team that worked on this material. There was a

7 good number of us to advance this forward, so I'm

8 looking forward to talking about it today.

9 Slide, Kent.

10 So just a few introductory remarks in this

11 part of the session. We'll go a little deeper in the

12 closed session, talk about backgrounds, the drivers

13 and approach associated with these licensing topical

14 reports which you'll hear me refer to as LTRs

15 sometimes. Kind of why we developed them and what we

16 were trying to do when we did. And then what the

17 current status of them is.

18 Okay, so from a high level perspective and

19 background, right now, TGBLA06 and PANAC11 is GNF's

20 approved core simulator that's in use today across the

21 BWR fleets, boiling water reactor fleet. TGBLA06, all

22 lattice business codes, application range is limited

23 with respect to a next phase of fuel development, so

24 where we're trying to head to support ATF objectives,

25 be those higher enrichments, different clad types.

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1 It's not something that right now TGBLA has approved

2 to evaluate.

3 We do have LANCR02 which is approved from

4 a model and qualification perspective which is our

5 more advanced lattice physics code and does have the

6 approval to evaluate some of these features. And so

7 the main purpose of putting together the revisions to

8 the LANCR topical report and the combined LANCR/PANAC

9 topical report was to enable their use together as an

10 approved core simulator to evaluate these new spaces.

11 To that end, the driver really is to

12 expand the core simulator application range when we're

13 using LANCR as a new lattice physics solver as opposed

14 to TGBLA, so LEU+ is one of the main drivers for that,

15 looking to be able to evaluate fuel enriched between

16 5 and 10 percent in U235.

17 In addition, there is currently in

18 operation fuel designs that are 11 by 11 in nature and

19 TGBLA has in some limitations associated with that and

20 LANCR does not. And so it's another driver for moving

21 in that direction.

22 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Remember that we are

23 in open session and you probably can answer better in

24 a closed session, but anything you can say for the

25 public it helps on the transcript.

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1 Can you tell us anything about GE plans to

2 use LEU+, anything above 5 percent, anything in the

3 near future, 20 years from now?

4 MR. HALAC: This is Kent speaking. I can

5 speak to that. We have already put in an application

6 1097 related to the fuel fabrication facility to

7 increase the plant to eight percent weight enrichment.

8 And we -- you know, the first step is getting our

9 methods in line and our plant ready to fabricate. The

10 next step after that would be lead test assemblies.

11 So this work here would enable us to analyze and

12 deliver lead test at some reactors.

13 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: And I know this may be

14 sensitive, you were talking 6 months or 20 years?

15 Neither, right?

16 MR. HALAC: Yes, neither is correct. But

17 I would say it's most near term for us in the ATF

18 programs. We use ATF as an umbrella for coated

19 claddings; iron, aluminum, chromium claddings. And

20 we've also married the benefits side which would be

21 increased enrichment with high burnup. And of all

22 those things for us the most near term would be LEU+.

23 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Okay, thank you.

24 MR. HALAC: Sure. So going forward, the

25 purpose as I said for moving to LANCR is to kind of

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1 enable these new areas to be evaluated. In addition,

2 we're taking the opportunity to update the core

3 simulator approval basis. That's one of the big

4 drivers that's made our group very interested.

5 The approval basis for TG1PANAC expands

6 across several decades and a lot of different topic

7 reports. And there's an opportunity to clarify some

8 of that and make it easier to incrementally improve

9 going forward and so we've made a big effort to kind

10 of do that in this -- to enable that in this

11 submittal, trying to make minimal changes to what's

12 approved in the simulator space right now, but

13 clarifying how things work today, how uncertainties

14 are quantified, and basically putting together one

15 report that we can launch from going forward to

16 improve the way that we have evaluated the core.

17 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I have seen -- again,

18 we are in open session. There are some processes to

19 modify the approval if you have small changes with

20 respect to the probe. Can you address some of these?

21 I'm trying to place these ideas in the public

22 transcript before we address them properly in the

23 closed session.

24 MR. HANNAH: Yes, there are some --

25 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Keep it high level,

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1 non-proprietary.

2 MR. HANNAH: Understand, right, yes. In

3 LANCR, there is some -- there's a section that's

4 dedicated to describing updates that are allowable

5 that we modeled similarly in the LANCR-PANAC topical

6 report to try to lay out basically a foundation that

7 explains when you make or change kind of what the

8 definition of what that change is, what it requires

9 you to do and then how you're going to communicate

10 that with the regulatory body so that there's

11 agreement in the fronts what different changes mean

12 and what approval bases are required in an attempt to

13 make the approved -- make approval paths more certain

14 for everyone.

15 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I try to think at the

16 lower level, so this is something equivalent to 10 CFR

17 50.59, in a sense that you will have to document your

18 changes. You will make a decision that this does not

19 require staff review. And then the staff can comment

20 on the methodology. Is that more or less what the

21 process will be?

22 MR. HANNAH: I would say that's one of the

23 outcomes of some of the update processes we define,

24 but some of the update processes I'm comfortable

25 saying, explicitly say if you do this, you have to

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1 resubmit. And so it's trying to say for the different

2 levels of changes what's going to be required so that

3 there's less ambiguity.

4 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: You're always allowed

5 to submit. The question is specifying what you don't

6 have to. Unfortunately, we all know you are in the

7 receiving end and it take 18 months, 2 years for any

8 approvals, so if you can avoid that by having an

9 agreement, a good bounder, a good box to stay inside

10 of that, we can save 2 years of review on 900 hours0.0104 days <br />0.25 hours <br />0.00149 weeks <br />3.4245e-4 months <br /> of

11 cost is a positive direction.

12 MR. HANNAH: We agree.

13 MEMBER KIRCHNER: To follow on Jose's --

14 this Walt Kirchner -- Jose's point. I'm just guessing

15 your methodologies previously were limited to five

16 percent or less enrichment.

17 MR. HANNAH: Correct.

18 MEMBER KIRCHNER: And then the specific

19 cladding as well?

20 MR. HANNAH: Yes, the intent will be for

21 more exotic cladding materials, then LANCR would be

22 the solution. That's right.

23 MEMBER KIRCHNER: Right.

24 MR. HALAC: This is Kent. I just wanted

25 to add one more piece of information. We do a

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1 technology update every year between the staff and GNF

2 and during that update, we will talk about any and all

3 methodology changes so that there is an open line of

4 communication and that our standing of what is

5 happening, so that there is no misunderstandings about

6 changes being done without people understanding what

7 to do.

8 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I may be using the

9 wrong term. Is this part of the GSTAR program?

10 Your mic --

11 MR. HALAC: Yes, we have hooks in GSTAR

12 for say, like, use programs that require us to provide

13 updates at the GNF technology updates, so yes, GSTAR

14 is part of the equation.

15 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you.

16 MR. HANNAH: So the approach which we at

17 hinted at bit, for some of what's on here, but first

18 for LANCR, it's important to note that there already

19 is an approval basis for revision 3 of the model and

20 qualification topical reports. And so what we're

21 doing here is relatively limited in scope for those

22 documents. We're looking to expand the core critical

23 benchmarking enrichment range to support the increase

24 enrichment from five to ten percent.

25 Updating the qualification basis, back

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1 when we originally submitted this, the benchmarking

2 was based against MCNP5. We're moving to MCNP6.2 and

3 then an improved version of that based on some

4 improvements that Los Alamos has basically recommended

5 that isn't yet in 6.2.

6 And then we're also implementing some

7 targeted model improvements that were informed based

8 on extensive benchmarking. So we basically pushed the

9 LANCR cross sections all the way through into the core

10 simulator, did our performance demonstrations and our

11 uncertainty quantifications, and used those results to

12 inform to ourselves where differences were being

13 exhibited compared to our current versions of codes.

14 And that helped us determine where we wanted to go and

15 try to implement some improvements in LANCR.

16 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: And once more for the

17 public transcript in case somebody has to read it,

18 this is part of the proprietary, but the benchmark set

19 that you guys used to validate this is very extensive.

20 I don't want to say the numbers. You may want to say

21 the numbers. I don't know if it's proprietary. But

22 it's very extensive.

23 MR. HANNAH: Yes, it's a large set of

24 cases. So going forward then so after the LANCR

25 updates, we went to create the LANCR and PANAC

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1 application LTR. There were four elements of that

2 that are important to --

3 MEMBER BROWN: Can I interrupt?

4 MR. HANNAH: Of course, yes.

5 MEMBER BROWN: I'm not a thermal-

6 hydraulics guy. I used to have to deal with this all

7 the time in my old job, 20 years ago in the Navy, we

8 had the analysis and we used to use Monte Carlo as

9 well, and I remember how we used to update the Monte

10 Carlo standards as we went. They were based on

11 experimental data. Is that -- when you go from 5 to

12 6.2 what benchmarks does the Monte Carlo use?

13 Hopefully, it's experimental data that you do that

14 with?

15 MR. HANNAH: That's right, yes. So I'm

16 comfortable saying in the public session even too,

17 right? So the concept of benchmarking LANCR, you

18 can't just go code to code against Monte Carlo basis.

19 MEMBER BROWN: I was hoping you would say

20 that.

21 MR. HANNAH: Yes, that gets connected to

22 the Monte Carlo code and the underlying cross sections

23 that are basically used in Monte Carlo and LANCR, get

24 benchmarked against cold critical benchmarks from a

25 criticality perspective and gamma scans for a pen

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1 power distribution.

2 MEMBER BROWN: Okay, so you've got actual

3 data that you can then validate Monte Carlo against

4 within some uncertainty bands?

5 MR. HANNAH: That's right. It's the

6 connected piece in between the actual LANCR and the

7 experiments because you can't do the experiments

8 directly into 2D lattice physics.

9 MEMBER BROWN: The second question was in

10 some of your documents, I didn't see it in these

11 slides and presume this is probably not proprietary,

12 but wasn't one of the purposes of this in order to

13 achieve higher burnups for your fuel as well? It was

14 in one of the topical reports.

15 MR. HANNAH: In fact, for LANCR and PANAC,

16 an increase in the burnup range isn't something that

17 we were pursuing. LANCR was already approved up to a

18 burnup that is bounding of what we need.

19 MEMBER BROWN: Okay, so the purpose of

20 this then is not to go another step forward. That

21 would be another process that you would do later then.

22 MR. HANNAH: Right, the nuclear methods in

23 the core simulator are not perceived to be an obstacle

24 to higher burnups. There are other areas where that

25 will be necessary.

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1 MEMBER BROWN: Thank you.

2 MR. HANNAH: So for LANCR and PANAC

3 application LTR, to enable it to be a foundation for

4 future change, we wanted to kind of document four

5 elements: defining the applicable methodologies

6 explicitly, kind of state what it is that these codes

7 are doing and how they do it; clarifying,

8 consolidating the uncertainty quantification

9 approaches which had been scattered across a number of

10 different topical reports in the past, so the intents

11 here was to make that more streamlined for users and

12 for changing the future; demonstrating performance of

13 the codes, against a broad set of actual operational

14 data; and then establishing update metrics which we

15 just kind of hinted at a moment before, update

16 mechanics to say precisely.

17 So the last thing just to point out the

18 current status just to give you an idea of where we've

19 been and where we're going, we started work on this

20 back in early 2020 as far as the latest iteration of

21 LANCR and PANAC. The actual work on LANCR goes back

22 much farther, way back into the -- before 2010. And

23 the approval of Revision 3 was in the 2015-16 time

24 frames. We're picking this back up now as driven by

25 the desire to move to fuel features that ATF enables

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1 like LU+. So we picked that back up early 2020.

2 Created the licensing topical reports. Issued them

3 for review in late 2021. We've been going through

4 review cycles since that time. There was an audit with

5 RAIs and RAI responses in the middle of 2022, which

6 led us to the ACRS meeting which we're at today. And

7 we're moving forward from there.

8 We believe we're on track for issuance of

9 an approved version of these LTRs by the end of 2023.

10 It's noted here because it's relevant that the final

11 approval of a supplement for this, Supplement 1, which

12 is the implementation of LANCR and PANAC and the

13 downstream methods is also happening in parallel

14 because you approved the core simulator and LANCR as

15 the underlying cross section, but then you need to

16 actually push that into your system codes and do

17 safety analyses and you need to understand the

18 qualification basis remains adequate or the

19 uncertainties that you're using are still applicable.

20 So that effort is ongoing. And we expect to try to

21 complete that around mid-2024 and that's what would

22 enable this in productions.

23 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Completed the review

24 or complete the topical report?

25 MR. HANNAH: Complete the review. So the

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1 topical report has been submitted and we're through

2 some review phases of it, so that's an end state for

3 approval ideally.

4 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you.

5 MR. HANNAH: That's all I have.

6 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Mike, do we have the

7 staff on line? So is Scott Krepel on line? I believe

8 Scott was going to produce some introductory remarks.

9 MR. KREPEL: (Speaking through an

10 interpreter) Can everyone hear me?

11 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Yes, we can. We can

12 see you.

13 MR. KREPEL: Okay, great. I'm Scott

14 Krepel. I'm speaking through a sign language

15 interpreter. I'm the Branch Chief for the Nuclear

16 Methods and Fuel Analysis Branch with which is the

17 branch within the technical reviewers like Matthew who

18 did the review.

19 I am happy to have my staff present the

20 results of the review of these three topical reports

21 for LANCR. As you, I'm sure, are already aware, this

22 supports ATF-related activities since LANCR would be

23 approved for higher than five percent -- five weight

24 percent U235.

25 And I think that GEH and the staff worked

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1 well together to address all of the issues and get

2 them resolved satisfactorily including some last-

3 minute things that came up that will be discussed at

4 a later point during the presentation.

5 So I just wanted to give those remarks and

6 thank you for your time.

7 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Scott. So

8 I guess we move to Matthew Panicker to make the open

9 session interaction by the staff.

10 MR. PANICKER: I am Matthew Panicker. I am

11 a member of the Nuclear Materials and Fuel Analysis

12 Group in the Division of Safety System of NRI. And

13 this is a short presentation open to the public to the

14 ACRS today.

15 Next slide. Short list of topics covered

16 in the open session in relation to the background.

17 Review based on regulatory evaluation and review of

18 the guidance. It mainly is about NEDC-33935 topical

19 report which is LANCR02, PANAC11 application

20 methodology and early on I have a slide on short

21 summary and conclusions by the staff.

22 Next slide. The Global Nuclear Fuels

23 Americas updates its nuclear methods to enable lessons

24 and limits. The three TRs are the main, NEDC-33935

25 Revision 0, application methodology and the

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1 supporting topical reports are NEDC-33376P LANCR2

2 physics model and NEDC-33377P, Revision 4, lattice

3 physics model qualification reports.

4 The qualification reports consist of

5 figures to verify the cross sections and also some

6 test cases.

7 Next slide, please. The regulatory

8 evaluation is then based on GDC10 and Section 50.34.

9 (Unintelligible) requires licensees to perform safety

10 analysis.

11 And most of the new guidance is coming out

12 of Section 4.3 Nuclear Design of NUREG-0800 Standard

13 Review Plan for review of safety analysis report for

14 nuclear power plants. The list of areas of guidance

15 are listed in the closed session.

16 Next slide, please. NEDC-33935

17 Application methodologies applied to various fuel

18 designs approved for evaluation with LANCR02. LANCR02

19 is a lattice physics code that is used to process

20 nuclear data for use in the downstream analysis

21 methods. PANAC11 is the static evaluation couple

22 nuclear thermal hydraulic review program.

23 (Unintelligible) boiling water reactor code exclusive

24 of the external flow loop.

25 Next slide, please. A summary of the

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1 (unintelligible) and test cases (unintelligible) 6.2

2 qualification. There is also a section on performance

3 evaluation through compression qualifications and the

4 TR establishes guidelines for future updates for

5 normal and uncertainty ranges.

6 Next slide, please. The staff reviewed

7 all the TRs submitted for review. Staff reviewed the

8 methodology for efficacy demonstration and uncertainty

9 quantification. They reviewed the model distribution,

10 topical report and quantification topical report and

11 models were included in the code to predict the level

12 of physical processes for lattice physics analysis.

13 The results of this quantification or

14 qualification analysis just confirmed the

15 applicability of the latest ENDF/B-VII.0 cross

16 sections to analyze BWR.

17 Staff reviewed the LANCR02 model, the

18 LANCR02 model qualification, and LANCR02 application

19 methodology TR against acceptance criteria specified

20 in SRV 4.3, of the SRV which is titled nuclear design.

21 That is my last slide for this.

22 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Matthew.

23 It's not on the slide, but again for the open

24 transcript for the record, it is the intention of the

25 staff to issue a safety evaluation report approving

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1 this methodology for use in future applications. I

2 guess that's the conclusion. And you say yes?

3 MR. PANICKER: Yes. That is one of my

4 slides in the closed session.

5 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I guess it's a good

6 conclusion for the transcript.

7 MR. PANICKER: Okay.

8 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Any questions from the

9 members. Yes?

10 MEMBER KIRCHNER: Just to elaborate on --

11 this is Walt Kirchner. Good afternoon, Matthew.

12 MR. PANICKER: Good afternoon.

13 MEMBER KIRCHNER: From the staff's

14 perspective, the physics methods that they already

15 have are already demonstrated to predict accurately

16 the benchmarks that are used for BWR simulations. So

17 the physics models don't change. The cross sections,

18 okay, you're using ENDF/B-VII.0, right?

19 What were the big issues or areas that the

20 staff focused on because on the surface, these models

21 should -- seven or eight percent is not a big stretch

22 over five percent. So what were you looking at when

23 you did your review? What were your focus areas to

24 come to a conclusion that you would issue an SE

25 approving these methodologies? I'm trying to draw you

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1 out for the public record. What's the big deal here?

2 MR. PANICKER: What I was saying was how

3 did the quantification of all the uncertainties when

4 you analyzed the BWR and then since they're asking

5 about (unintelligible), they are looking for

6 (unintelligible) test cases where some of the test

7 cases are concentrated on higher end of the spectrum

8 and whether there is a comparison between what makes

9 it nicer with the NCNV because the two codes are

10 slightly different configuration. One of them is

11 analytical and one is statistical. So these are some

12 of the main. And also the (unintelligible) updates

13 which we will describe in the closed session.

14 MEMBER KIRCHNER: And then with regard to

15 an 11 by 11 lattice configuration, what were you

16 looking for there to draw your conclusion that these

17 methods are applicable?

18 MR. PANICKER: What we are looking for was

19 if the -- can the core be applicable to an 11 by 11

20 configuration. And also whether when they're going to

21 an 11 by 11 configuration, the uncertainty is provided

22 in the application methodology TR. They are all

23 method, they should describe that they should be

24 within those ranges of applicability. These are the

25 two main things we look for.

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1 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Walt. I

2 wanted to place also in the open session, I like very

3 much the approach used on the SER, on the limitations

4 and conditions section. I'm used to seeing SERs that

5 have 25 limitations. Here, you took the approach of

6 dividing that into range of applicability and real

7 limitations. So what sort of limitations and

8 conditions on SERs are not real limitations? They're

9 redefining what's already in topical report. This is

10 only good up to 11 by 11 with this type of cladding

11 within this pressure range. So I want to give

12 positive reinforcement to the staff that I like two

13 sections on the limitation and condition. One is not

14 even a limitation which is the range of applicability.

15 Another one is real limitations where there was a

16 deficiency on the benchmarking above certain range. So

17 I think you guys did a good job, staff, on that.

18 Any more comments, questions from members?

19 So at this point, we're going to open the microphone

20 to members of the public. If somebody wants to make

21 a comment, please open your microphone and say it.

22 We'll give you five seconds to comment.

23 Seeing none, we are going to close this

24 session, but before we go off the transcript, I wanted

25 to ask the members, inform the members, that I have

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1 reviewed the SER and the topical reports and I haven't

2 found any serious deficiency that would merit a letter

3 from us to the staff pointing out something.

4 Basically, our letter would say the standard, both GE

5 and staff did a great job publishing the SER. Because

6 of that, I am proposing that we use our methodology

7 that we will write a short paragraph describing the

8 methodology and describing the recommendation of the

9 subcommittee chair and we will review it and approve

10 it, hopefully, during the P&P session of the full

11 committee which is the only one that has authority to

12 make the decision.

13 So if during the closed session we are

14 going be looking at the actual details, you find

15 something that merits a comment, please keep in mind

16 that we can always backtrack.

17 With that, we are in recess and this

18 meeting link is going to disappear. We will not come

19 back to this room. So we are in recess.

20 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter went

21 off the record at 1:34 p.m.)

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ACRS Subcommittee Open Session Presentation Slides for Revision 0 of LANCR02/PANAC11 and Revision 4 of LANCR02 Licensing Topical Reports

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U. S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION STAFFS EVALUATION OF GLOBAL NUCLEAR FUELS - AMERICAS TOPICAL REPORTS NEDC-33935P, REVISION 0, LANCR02/PANAC11 APPLICATION METHODOLOGY, NEDC-33377P, REVISION 4, LANCR02 LATTICE PHYSICS MODEL QUALIFICATION REPORT, AND NEDC-33376P, REVISION 4, LANCR02 LATTICE PHYSICS MODEL DESCRIPTION

Mathew Panicker, Nuclear Methods and Fuel Analysis Division of Safety Systems

Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Subcommittee Meeting Open Session June 6, 2023 TOPICS COVERED

  • Introduction and Background
  • Regulatory Evaluation, Review Guidance
  • NEDC-33935P, Revision 0, Topical Report (TR) Application Methodology
  • NRC Staffs Summary and Conclusions

2 INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND

  • Global Nuclear Fuels - Americas (GNF-A) is updating its Nuclear Methods to enable fuel enrichments above the current licensing limits.
  • Three TRs submitted for review:

- NEDC-33935P, Revision 0, LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology

- NEDC-33376P, Revision 4, LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model

- NEDC-33377P, Revision 4, LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model Qualification Report

3 REGULATORY EVALUATION REVIEW GUIDANCE

  • Section 50.34 of the Title 10 to the Code of Federal Regulations (10 CFR) requires licensees to perform safety analyses of their facilities
  • Section 4.3, Nuclear Design, of the NUREG -0800, Standard Review Plan for the Review of Safety Analysis Reports for Nuclear Power Plants (SRP)

4 NEDC-33935P, REVISION 0, APPLICATION METHODOLOGY

  • Applied to various fuel designs approved for evaluation with LANCR02.
  • LANCR02 is a 2-Dimensional lattice physics code that is used to process nuclear data for use in the downstream analysis methods.
  • PANAC11 is a static 3-Dimensional coupled nuclear-thermal-hydraulic computer program representing the boiling water reactor (BWR) core exclusive of the external flow loop.

5

SUMMARY

OF TR DEVELOPMENT

  • Cold criticals and test cases for benchmarking LANCR02 validation with Monte-Carlo N -Particle (MCNP) code include higher enrichment.
  • Updated MCNP5 to MCNP6.2 for qualification.
  • LANCR02/PANAC11 Application TR defines methodologies.
  • LANCR02/PANAC11 provides uncertainty quantification.
  • Assessment of LANCR02/PANAC11 performance through operational qualifications.
  • TR establishes guidelines for future updates for model and uncertainty ranges.

6 THE NRC STAFFS

SUMMARY

AND CONCLUSIONS

The NRC staff reviewed the LANCR02/PANAC11 methodology for efficacy demonstration and uncertainty quantification.

The NRC staff reviewed the model description TR and the qualification TR and concludes that adequate models were included in the code to predict the relevant physical processes important for lattice physics analyses.

The results of these qualification analyses justified the applicability of the ENDF/B-VII.0 cross sections to analyze BWRs.

The NRC staff reviewed the LANCR02 Model, LANCR02 Model qualification, and LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology TRs against the acceptance criteria specified in SRP Section 4.3, Nuclear Design.

7 Attendance List Name Timestamp Michael Snodderly 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM Thomas Dashiell 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM Gerond George 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Kate Lenning 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM John Hannan (GNF-A) 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Halac, Kent E (GE Vernova) 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Larry Burkhart 6/6/2023, 12:34:43 PM Mathew Panicker 6/6/2023, 12:36:51 PM Ron Ballinger 6/6/2023, 12:42:57 PM Gregory Halnon 6/6/2023, 12:43:49 PM Court Reporter1 6/6/2023, 12:46:58 PM Tammy Skov 6/6/2023, 12:49:10 PM Vesna B Dimitrijevic (Guest) 6/6/2023, 12:49:30 PM Vicki Bier 6/6/2023, 12:49:46 PM Robert W illiams 6/6/2023, 12:59:15 PM Roberts, Thomas E 6/6/2023, 12:59:40 PM Zena Abdullahi 6/6/2023, 1:01:29 PM Richard Fu 6/6/2023, 1:02:27 PM Benjamin Parks (He/Him/His) 6/6/2023, 1:03:12 PM Gregory Suber 6/6/2023, 1:07:17 PM Sandra W alker 6/6/2023, 1:09:05 PM Kevin Heller 6/6/2023, 1:11:15 PM Sign Language Interpreter 6/6/2023, 1:12:03 PM Jennifer - ASL interpreter (Guest) 6/6/2023, 1:12:04 PM Scott Krepel 6/6/2023, 1:13:24 PM