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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
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Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Accident Analysis Thermal Hydraulics Open Session Docket Number:
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UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSIONS 7
ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS 8
9 10 The contents of this transcript of the 11 proceeding of the United States Nuclear Regulatory 12 Commission Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards, 13 as reported herein, is a record of the discussions 14 recorded at the meeting.
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- TUESDAY, 11 JUNE 6, 2023 12
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13 The Subcommittee met via hybrid in-person 14 and video-teleconference, at 1:00 p.m. EDT, Jose 15 March-Leuba, Chairman, presiding.
16 17 COMMITTEE MEMBERS:
18 JOSE MARCH-LEUBA, Chair 19 RONALD G. BALLINGER, Member 20 VICKI BIER, Member 21 CHARLES H. BROWN, JR., Member 22 VESNA DIMITRIJEVIC, Member 23 GREGORY HALNON, Member 24 WALT KIRCHNER, Member 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
2 DAVID PETTI, Member 1
JOY L. REMPE, Member 2
MATTHEW SUNSERI, Member 3
4 DESIGNATED FEDERAL OFFICIAL:
5 MIKE SNODDERLY 6
7 ALSO PRESENT:
8 KENT HALAC, GE 9
JOHN HANNAH, GNF 10 SCOTT KREPEL, NRR 11 MATHEW PANICKER, NRR 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
3 TABLE OF CONTENTS 1
Opening Remarks, Jose March-Leuba, Chair 4 2
Discussion of GNF Topical Reports on 3
LANCR02 Computer Programs for 4
Evaluating Fuel Lattices, John 5
Hannah, GNF 7 6
Staff's Evaluation of GNF Topical Reports, 7
Matthew Panicker, NRR 20 8
Opportunity for Public Comment 9
(No public comment) 10 Adjourn 26 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
4 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 1
1:00 P.M.
2 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: The meeting will now 3
come to order. This is a meeting of the Accident 4
Analysis Thermal Hydraulics Subcommittee. I am Jose 5
March-Leuba, the SC chair.
6 In addition to in-person attendance at NRC 7
headquarters, the meeting is broadcasted via MS Teams.
8 Members in attendance are Ronald Ballinger, Vicki 9
Bier, Charles Brown, Vesna Dimitrijevic, Greg Halnon, 10 Walter Kirchner, David Petti, Joy Rempe, and Matthew 11 Sunseri.
12 Today, we are reviewing topical report 13 NEDE-33935P, Revision 0, by Global Nuclear Fuel 14 Americas entitled LANCR02/PANAC11 application 15 methodology, and two associated methodology 16 qualification reports.
17 These reports support a combined use of 18 the LANCR02 and PANAC11 codes for modeling neutronics 19 and thermal hydraulic BWR core physics.
20 Portions of our meeting will be closed to 21 the public to protect GNF priority information. We 22 have not received requests to provide comments, but we 23 have an opportunity for public comments before the 24 beginning of the closed session of the meeting.
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5 The ACRS was established by a statute and 1
is open by the Federal Advisory Committee Act, FACA.
2 As such, the committee only speaks to its published 3
letter reports.
4 The rules for participation in all ACRS 5
meetings were announced in the Federal Register on 6
June 13, 2019. The ACRS section of the U.S. NRC 7
public work site provides our charter, bylaws, 8
agendas, letter reports, and full transcripts for the 9
open portions of all full and subcommittee meetings, 10 including the slides presented there.
11 The Designated Federal Official today is 12 Michael Snodderly.
13 A transcript of the meeting is being kept.
14 Therefore, speak into the microphones clearly and 15 state your name for the benefit of the court reporter.
16 And if you are in a conference room with multiple 17 people on the line, just remember to identify yourself 18 regularly for the accuracy of the transcript.
19 Please keep all your electronics and the 20 microphone on mute when not being used.
21 We are now ready for the GNF presentation.
22 Kent Halac of General Electric Hitachi will present 23 some opening remarks and introduce the GNF presenters.
24 Remember, this is the open session of the 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
6 meeting. Questions that may need proprietary 1
information should be discussed in the closed session.
2 Kent?
3 MR. HALAC: Thank you. This is Kent 4
Halac, General Electric. We're representing Global 5
Nuclear Fuels. I brought with me John Hannah, 6
principal engineer in our Advanced Methods Group.
7 Thank you for having us today. We have some 8
interesting material that pushes our technology 9
forward and enables increased enrichment which is one 10 of the objectives of these updates.
11 We're here to answer any questions you may 12 have about the technology. And just note that LANCR 13 and PANAC are both approved technologies, and this is 14 the combination of LANCR with PANACEA for the 15 application method and we're going to be talking about 16 LANCR02 updates to enable increased enrichment.
17 With that, I'll move to John.
18 MR. HANNAH: Thanks, Kent. This is John 19 Hannah as Kent introduced --
20 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Sorry, there is a very 21 narrow field of view for the mic. If you cannot hear 22 yourself on --
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MR. HANNAH: I'm going to try again.
2 Okay, now I can hear me.
3 This is John Hannah from Global Nuclear 4
Fuels as Kent suggested. So I am here representing 5
the team that worked on this material. There was a 6
good number of us to advance this forward, so I'm 7
looking forward to talking about it today.
8 Slide, Kent.
9 So just a few introductory remarks in this 10 part of the session. We'll go a little deeper in the 11 closed session, talk about backgrounds, the drivers 12 and approach associated with these licensing topical 13 reports which you'll hear me refer to as LTRs 14 sometimes. Kind of why we developed them and what we 15 were trying to do when we did. And then what the 16 current status of them is.
17 Okay, so from a high level perspective and 18 background, right now, TGBLA06 and PANAC11 is GNF's 19 approved core simulator that's in use today across the 20 BWR fleets, boiling water reactor fleet. TGBLA06, all 21 lattice business codes, application range is limited 22 with respect to a next phase of fuel development, so 23 where we're trying to head to support ATF objectives, 24 be those higher enrichments, different clad types.
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8 It's not something that right now TGBLA has approved 1
to evaluate.
2 We do have LANCR02 which is approved from 3
a model and qualification perspective which is our 4
more advanced lattice physics code and does have the 5
approval to evaluate some of these features. And so 6
the main purpose of putting together the revisions to 7
the LANCR topical report and the combined LANCR/PANAC 8
topical report was to enable their use together as an 9
approved core simulator to evaluate these new spaces.
10 To that end, the driver really is to 11 expand the core simulator application range when we're 12 using LANCR as a new lattice physics solver as opposed 13 to TGBLA, so LEU+ is one of the main drivers for that, 14 looking to be able to evaluate fuel enriched between 15 5 and 10 percent in U235.
16 In addition, there is currently in 17 operation fuel designs that are 11 by 11 in nature and 18 TGBLA has in some limitations associated with that and 19 LANCR does not. And so it's another driver for moving 20 in that direction.
21 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Remember that we are 22 in open session and you probably can answer better in 23 a closed session, but anything you can say for the 24 public it helps on the transcript.
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9 Can you tell us anything about GE plans to 1
use LEU+, anything above 5 percent, anything in the 2
near future, 20 years from now?
3 MR. HALAC: This is Kent speaking. I can 4
speak to that. We have already put in an application 5
1097 related to the fuel fabrication facility to 6
increase the plant to eight percent weight enrichment.
7 And we -- you know, the first step is getting our 8
methods in line and our plant ready to fabricate. The 9
next step after that would be lead test assemblies.
10 So this work here would enable us to analyze and 11 deliver lead test at some reactors.
12 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: And I know this may be 13 sensitive, you were talking 6 months or 20 years?
14 Neither, right?
15 MR. HALAC: Yes, neither is correct. But 16 I would say it's most near term for us in the ATF 17 programs. We use ATF as an umbrella for coated 18 claddings; iron, aluminum, chromium claddings. And 19 we've also married the benefits side which would be 20 increased enrichment with high burnup. And of all 21 those things for us the most near term would be LEU+.
22 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Okay, thank you.
23 MR. HALAC: Sure. So going forward, the 24 purpose as I said for moving to LANCR is to kind of 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
10 enable these new areas to be evaluated. In addition, 1
we're taking the opportunity to update the core 2
simulator approval basis. That's one of the big 3
drivers that's made our group very interested.
4 The approval basis for TG1PANAC expands 5
across several decades and a lot of different topic 6
reports. And there's an opportunity to clarify some 7
of that and make it easier to incrementally improve 8
going forward and so we've made a big effort to kind 9
of do that in this -- to enable that in this 10 submittal, trying to make minimal changes to what's 11 approved in the simulator space right now, but 12 clarifying how things work today, how uncertainties 13 are quantified, and basically putting together one 14 report that we can launch from going forward to 15 improve the way that we have evaluated the core.
16 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I have seen -- again, 17 we are in open session. There are some processes to 18 modify the approval if you have small changes with 19 respect to the probe. Can you address some of these?
20 I'm trying to place these ideas in the public 21 transcript before we address them properly in the 22 closed session.
23 MR. HANNAH: Yes, there are some --
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11 non-proprietary.
1 MR. HANNAH: Understand, right, yes. In 2
LANCR, there is some -- there's a section that's 3
dedicated to describing updates that are allowable 4
that we modeled similarly in the LANCR-PANAC topical 5
report to try to lay out basically a foundation that 6
explains when you make or change kind of what the 7
definition of what that change is, what it requires 8
you to do and then how you're going to communicate 9
that with the regulatory body so that there's 10 agreement in the fronts what different changes mean 11 and what approval bases are required in an attempt to 12 make the approved -- make approval paths more certain 13 for everyone.
14 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I try to think at the 15 lower level, so this is something equivalent to 10 CFR 16 50.59, in a sense that you will have to document your 17 changes. You will make a decision that this does not 18 require staff review. And then the staff can comment 19 on the methodology. Is that more or less what the 20 process will be?
21 MR. HANNAH: I would say that's one of the 22 outcomes of some of the update processes we define, 23 but some of the update processes I'm comfortable 24 saying, explicitly say if you do this, you have to 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
12 resubmit. And so it's trying to say for the different 1
levels of changes what's going to be required so that 2
there's less ambiguity.
3 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: You're always allowed 4
to submit. The question is specifying what you don't 5
have to. Unfortunately, we all know you are in the 6
receiving end and it take 18 months, 2 years for any 7
approvals, so if you can avoid that by having an 8
agreement, a good bounder, a good box to stay inside 9
of that, we can save 2 years of review on 900 hours0.0104 days <br />0.25 hours <br />0.00149 weeks <br />3.4245e-4 months <br /> of 10 cost is a positive direction.
11 MR. HANNAH: We agree.
12 MEMBER KIRCHNER: To follow on Jose's --
13 this Walt Kirchner -- Jose's point. I'm just guessing 14 your methodologies previously were limited to five 15 percent or less enrichment.
16 MR. HANNAH: Correct.
17 MEMBER KIRCHNER: And then the specific 18 cladding as well?
19 MR. HANNAH: Yes, the intent will be for 20 more exotic cladding materials, then LANCR would be 21 the solution. That's right.
22 MEMBER KIRCHNER: Right.
23 MR. HALAC: This is Kent. I just wanted 24 to add one more piece of information. We do a 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
13 technology update every year between the staff and GNF 1
and during that update, we will talk about any and all 2
methodology changes so that there is an open line of 3
communication and that our standing of what is 4
happening, so that there is no misunderstandings about 5
changes being done without people understanding what 6
to do.
7 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I may be using the 8
wrong term. Is this part of the GSTAR program?
9 Your mic --
10 MR. HALAC: Yes, we have hooks in GSTAR 11 for say, like, use programs that require us to provide 12 updates at the GNF technology updates, so yes, GSTAR 13 is part of the equation.
14 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you.
15 MR. HANNAH: So the approach which we at 16 hinted at bit, for some of what's on here, but first 17 for LANCR, it's important to note that there already 18 is an approval basis for revision 3 of the model and 19 qualification topical reports. And so what we're 20 doing here is relatively limited in scope for those 21 documents. We're looking to expand the core critical 22 benchmarking enrichment range to support the increase 23 enrichment from five to ten percent.
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14 when we originally submitted this, the benchmarking 1
was based against MCNP5. We're moving to MCNP6.2 and 2
then an improved version of that based on some 3
improvements that Los Alamos has basically recommended 4
that isn't yet in 6.2.
5 And then we're also implementing some 6
targeted model improvements that were informed based 7
on extensive benchmarking. So we basically pushed the 8
LANCR cross sections all the way through into the core 9
simulator, did our performance demonstrations and our 10 uncertainty quantifications, and used those results to 11 inform to ourselves where differences were being 12 exhibited compared to our current versions of codes.
13 And that helped us determine where we wanted to go and 14 try to implement some improvements in LANCR.
15 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: And once more for the 16 public transcript in case somebody has to read it, 17 this is part of the proprietary, but the benchmark set 18 that you guys used to validate this is very extensive.
19 I don't want to say the numbers. You may want to say 20 the numbers. I don't know if it's proprietary. But 21 it's very extensive.
22 MR. HANNAH: Yes, it's a large set of 23 cases. So going forward then so after the LANCR 24 updates, we went to create the LANCR and PANAC 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
15 application LTR. There were four elements of that 1
that are important to --
2 MEMBER BROWN: Can I interrupt?
3 MR. HANNAH: Of course, yes.
4 MEMBER BROWN: I'm not a thermal-5 hydraulics guy. I used to have to deal with this all 6
the time in my old job, 20 years ago in the Navy, we 7
had the analysis and we used to use Monte Carlo as 8
well, and I remember how we used to update the Monte 9
Carlo standards as we went. They were based on 10 experimental data. Is that -- when you go from 5 to 11 6.2 what benchmarks does the Monte Carlo use?
12 Hopefully, it's experimental data that you do that 13 with?
14 MR. HANNAH: That's right, yes. So I'm 15 comfortable saying in the public session even too, 16 right? So the concept of benchmarking LANCR, you 17 can't just go code to code against Monte Carlo basis.
18 MEMBER BROWN: I was hoping you would say 19 that.
20 MR. HANNAH: Yes, that gets connected to 21 the Monte Carlo code and the underlying cross sections 22 that are basically used in Monte Carlo and LANCR, get 23 benchmarked against cold critical benchmarks from a 24 criticality perspective and gamma scans for a pen 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
16 power distribution.
1 MEMBER BROWN: Okay, so you've got actual 2
data that you can then validate Monte Carlo against 3
within some uncertainty bands?
4 MR. HANNAH: That's right. It's the 5
connected piece in between the actual LANCR and the 6
experiments because you can't do the experiments 7
directly into 2D lattice physics.
8 MEMBER BROWN: The second question was in 9
some of your documents, I didn't see it in these 10 slides and presume this is probably not proprietary, 11 but wasn't one of the purposes of this in order to 12 achieve higher burnups for your fuel as well? It was 13 in one of the topical reports.
14 MR. HANNAH: In fact, for LANCR and PANAC, 15 an increase in the burnup range isn't something that 16 we were pursuing. LANCR was already approved up to a 17 burnup that is bounding of what we need.
18 MEMBER BROWN: Okay, so the purpose of 19 this then is not to go another step forward. That 20 would be another process that you would do later then.
21 MR. HANNAH: Right, the nuclear methods in 22 the core simulator are not perceived to be an obstacle 23 to higher burnups. There are other areas where that 24 will be necessary.
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17 MEMBER BROWN: Thank you.
1 MR. HANNAH: So for LANCR and PANAC 2
application LTR, to enable it to be a foundation for 3
future change, we wanted to kind of document four 4
elements: defining the applicable methodologies 5
explicitly, kind of state what it is that these codes 6
are doing and how they do it; clarifying, 7
consolidating the uncertainty quantification 8
approaches which had been scattered across a number of 9
different topical reports in the past, so the intents 10 here was to make that more streamlined for users and 11 for changing the future; demonstrating performance of 12 the codes, against a broad set of actual operational 13 data; and then establishing update metrics which we 14 just kind of hinted at a moment before, update 15 mechanics to say precisely.
16 So the last thing just to point out the 17 current status just to give you an idea of where we've 18 been and where we're going, we started work on this 19 back in early 2020 as far as the latest iteration of 20 LANCR and PANAC. The actual work on LANCR goes back 21 much farther, way back into the -- before 2010. And 22 the approval of Revision 3 was in the 2015-16 time 23 frames. We're picking this back up now as driven by 24 the desire to move to fuel features that ATF enables 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
18 like LU+. So we picked that back up early 2020.
1 Created the licensing topical reports. Issued them 2
for review in late 2021. We've been going through 3
review cycles since that time. There was an audit with 4
RAIs and RAI responses in the middle of 2022, which 5
led us to the ACRS meeting which we're at today. And 6
we're moving forward from there.
7 We believe we're on track for issuance of 8
an approved version of these LTRs by the end of 2023.
9 It's noted here because it's relevant that the final 10 approval of a supplement for this, Supplement 1, which 11 is the implementation of LANCR and PANAC and the 12 downstream methods is also happening in parallel 13 because you approved the core simulator and LANCR as 14 the underlying cross section, but then you need to 15 actually push that into your system codes and do 16 safety analyses and you need to understand the 17 qualification basis remains adequate or the 18 uncertainties that you're using are still applicable.
19 So that effort is ongoing. And we expect to try to 20 complete that around mid-2024 and that's what would 21 enable this in productions.
22 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Completed the review 23 or complete the topical report?
24 MR. HANNAH: Complete the review. So the 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
19 topical report has been submitted and we're through 1
some review phases of it, so that's an end state for 2
approval ideally.
3 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you.
4 MR. HANNAH: That's all I have.
5 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Mike, do we have the 6
staff on line? So is Scott Krepel on line? I believe 7
Scott was going to produce some introductory remarks.
8 MR.
KREPEL:
(Speaking through an 9
interpreter) Can everyone hear me?
10 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Yes, we can. We can 11 see you.
12 MR. KREPEL: Okay, great. I'm Scott 13 Krepel. I'm speaking through a sign language 14 interpreter. I'm the Branch Chief for the Nuclear 15 Methods and Fuel Analysis Branch with which is the 16 branch within the technical reviewers like Matthew who 17 did the review.
18 I am happy to have my staff present the 19 results of the review of these three topical reports 20 for LANCR. As you, I'm sure, are already aware, this 21 supports ATF-related activities since LANCR would be 22 approved for higher than five percent -- five weight 23 percent U235.
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20 well together to address all of the issues and get 1
them resolved satisfactorily including some last-2 minute things that came up that will be discussed at 3
a later point during the presentation.
4 So I just wanted to give those remarks and 5
thank you for your time.
6 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Scott. So 7
I guess we move to Matthew Panicker to make the open 8
session interaction by the staff.
9 MR. PANICKER: I am Matthew Panicker. I am 10 a member of the Nuclear Materials and Fuel Analysis 11 Group in the Division of Safety System of NRI. And 12 this is a short presentation open to the public to the 13 ACRS today.
14 Next slide. Short list of topics covered 15 in the open session in relation to the background.
16 Review based on regulatory evaluation and review of 17 the guidance. It mainly is about NEDC-33935 topical 18 report which is
- LANCR02, PANAC11 application 19 methodology and early on I have a slide on short 20 summary and conclusions by the staff.
21 Next slide. The Global Nuclear Fuels 22 Americas updates its nuclear methods to enable lessons 23 and limits. The three TRs are the main, NEDC-33935 24 Revision 0,
application methodology and the 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
21 supporting topical reports are NEDC-33376P LANCR2 1
physics model and NEDC-33377P, Revision 4, lattice 2
physics model qualification reports.
3 The qualification reports consist of 4
figures to verify the cross sections and also some 5
test cases.
6 Next slide, please. The regulatory 7
evaluation is then based on GDC10 and Section 50.34.
8 (Unintelligible) requires licensees to perform safety 9
analysis.
10 And most of the new guidance is coming out 11 of Section 4.3 Nuclear Design of NUREG-0800 Standard 12 Review Plan for review of safety analysis report for 13 nuclear power plants. The list of areas of guidance 14 are listed in the closed session.
15 Next
- slide, please.
NEDC-33935 16 Application methodologies applied to various fuel 17 designs approved for evaluation with LANCR02. LANCR02 18 is a lattice physics code that is used to process 19 nuclear data for use in the downstream analysis 20 methods. PANAC11 is the static evaluation couple 21 nuclear thermal hydraulic review program.
22 (Unintelligible) boiling water reactor code exclusive 23 of the external flow loop.
24 Next slide, please. A summary of the 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
22 (unintelligible) and test cases (unintelligible) 6.2 1
qualification. There is also a section on performance 2
evaluation through compression qualifications and the 3
TR establishes guidelines for future updates for 4
normal and uncertainty ranges.
5 Next slide, please. The staff reviewed 6
all the TRs submitted for review. Staff reviewed the 7
methodology for efficacy demonstration and uncertainty 8
quantification. They reviewed the model distribution, 9
topical report and quantification topical report and 10 models were included in the code to predict the level 11 of physical processes for lattice physics analysis.
12 The results of this quantification or 13 qualification analysis just confirmed the 14 applicability of the latest ENDF/B-VII.0 cross 15 sections to analyze BWR.
16 Staff reviewed the LANCR02 model, the 17 LANCR02 model qualification, and LANCR02 application 18 methodology TR against acceptance criteria specified 19 in SRV 4.3, of the SRV which is titled nuclear design.
20 That is my last slide for this.
21 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Matthew.
22 It's not on the slide, but again for the open 23 transcript for the record, it is the intention of the 24 staff to issue a safety evaluation report approving 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
23 this methodology for use in future applications. I 1
guess that's the conclusion. And you say yes?
2 MR. PANICKER: Yes. That is one of my 3
slides in the closed session.
4 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: I guess it's a good 5
conclusion for the transcript.
6 MR. PANICKER: Okay.
7 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Any questions from the 8
members. Yes?
9 MEMBER KIRCHNER: Just to elaborate on --
10 this is Walt Kirchner. Good afternoon, Matthew.
11 MR. PANICKER: Good afternoon.
12 MEMBER KIRCHNER: From the staff's 13 perspective, the physics methods that they already 14 have are already demonstrated to predict accurately 15 the benchmarks that are used for BWR simulations. So 16 the physics models don't change. The cross sections, 17 okay, you're using ENDF/B-VII.0, right?
18 What were the big issues or areas that the 19 staff focused on because on the surface, these models 20 should -- seven or eight percent is not a big stretch 21 over five percent. So what were you looking at when 22 you did your review? What were your focus areas to 23 come to a conclusion that you would issue an SE 24 approving these methodologies? I'm trying to draw you 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
24 out for the public record. What's the big deal here?
1 MR. PANICKER: What I was saying was how 2
did the quantification of all the uncertainties when 3
you analyzed the BWR and then since they're asking 4
about (unintelligible),
they are looking for 5
(unintelligible) test cases where some of the test 6
cases are concentrated on higher end of the spectrum 7
and whether there is a comparison between what makes 8
it nicer with the NCNV because the two codes are 9
slightly different configuration. One of them is 10 analytical and one is statistical. So these are some 11 of the main. And also the (unintelligible) updates 12 which we will describe in the closed session.
13 MEMBER KIRCHNER: And then with regard to 14 an 11 by 11 lattice configuration, what were you 15 looking for there to draw your conclusion that these 16 methods are applicable?
17 MR. PANICKER: What we are looking for was 18 if the -- can the core be applicable to an 11 by 11 19 configuration. And also whether when they're going to 20 an 11 by 11 configuration, the uncertainty is provided 21 in the application methodology TR. They are all 22 method, they should describe that they should be 23 within those ranges of applicability. These are the 24 two main things we look for.
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25 CHAIR MARCH-LEUBA: Thank you, Walt. I 1
wanted to place also in the open session, I like very 2
much the approach used on the SER, on the limitations 3
and conditions section. I'm used to seeing SERs that 4
have 25 limitations. Here, you took the approach of 5
dividing that into range of applicability and real 6
limitations.
So what sort of limitations and 7
conditions on SERs are not real limitations? They're 8
redefining what's already in topical report. This is 9
only good up to 11 by 11 with this type of cladding 10 within this pressure range. So I want to give 11 positive reinforcement to the staff that I like two 12 sections on the limitation and condition. One is not 13 even a limitation which is the range of applicability.
14 Another one is real limitations where there was a 15 deficiency on the benchmarking above certain range. So 16 I think you guys did a good job, staff, on that.
17 Any more comments, questions from members?
18 So at this point, we're going to open the microphone 19 to members of the public. If somebody wants to make 20 a comment, please open your microphone and say it.
21 We'll give you five seconds to comment.
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26 reviewed the SER and the topical reports and I haven't 1
found any serious deficiency that would merit a letter 2
from us to the staff pointing out something.
3 Basically, our letter would say the standard, both GE 4
and staff did a great job publishing the SER. Because 5
of that, I am proposing that we use our methodology 6
that we will write a short paragraph describing the 7
methodology and describing the recommendation of the 8
subcommittee chair and we will review it and approve 9
it, hopefully, during the P&P session of the full 10 committee which is the only one that has authority to 11 make the decision.
12 So if during the closed session we are 13 going be looking at the actual details, you find 14 something that merits a comment, please keep in mind 15 that we can always backtrack.
16 With that, we are in recess and this 17 meeting link is going to disappear. We will not come 18 back to this room. So we are in recess.
19 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter went 20 off the record at 1:34 p.m.)
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ENCLOSURE 1 M230070 ACRS Subcommittee Open Session Presentation Slides for Revision 0 of LANCR02/PANAC11 and Revision 4 of LANCR02 Licensing Topical Reports Non-Proprietary Information
LANCR02/PANAC11Application MethodologyReview NEDE33776PRevision4-LANCR02LatticePhysicsModelDescription NEDE33777PRevision4-LANCR02LatticePhysicsModelQualificationReport NEDE33935PRevision0- LANCR02/PANAC11ApplicationMethodology June6th,2023 ACRSMeeting/June6,2023 Rockville,MD NonProprietaryInformation
Non-Proprietary Information ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD LicensingReview
- Background
- LicensingTopicalReport(LTR)DevelopmentOverview
- Drivers
- Approach
- CurrentStatus ContentsforOpenPortion 2
Non-Proprietary Information ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD LTRDevelopment
Background
TGBLA06/PANAC11isGNFsapprovedcoresimulatorinusetoday TGBLA06applicationrangelimitedwithrespecttothenextphaseoffuel development LANCR02approvedfromamodelandqualificationperspective,butno currentapprovalbasiscoupledwithanodalsolverforcoresimulationsupport Three(3)LicensingTopicalReports(LTRs)submittedtosupportuseof LANCR02/PANAC11asapprovedcoresimulator:
NEDE33776PRevision4-LANCR02LatticePhysicsModelDescription NEDE33777PRevision4-LANCR02LatticePhysicsModelQualificationReport NEDE33935PRevision0- LANCR02/PANAC11ApplicationMethodology 3
Non-Proprietary Information ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD LTRDevelopment Drivers
- Expandcoresimulatorapplicationrangebyenablinguseof LANCR02aslatticephysicssolver
- LEU+:FuelEnriched>5%and10%inU235
- 11x11:Supportevaluationofplantswith11x11fuelproducts
- UpdateGNFcoresimulatorapprovalbasis
- Establishanewfoundationuponwhichanincrementalimprovement approachcanbeestablished
- MakeminimalchangesinRevision0toenablesimplifiedreview 4
Non-Proprietary Information ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD LTRDevelopment(continued)
Approach
- UpdateLANCR02LTRs
- Expandcoldcriticalbenchmarkingenrichmentrange
- Updatequalificationbasis(MCNP5>ImprovedMCNP6.2)
- Implementtargetedmodelimprovementbasedonextensivebenchmarking
- CreateLANCR02/PANAC11ApplicationLTR
- Defineapplicablemethodologies
- Clarifyandconsolidateuncertaintyquantificationapproach
- Demonstrateperformance
- Establishupdatemechanics 5
ACRS Meeting / June 6, 2023, Rockville, MD Non-Proprietary Information Current Status Milestones/Schedule 6
- On track for issuance of approved (i.e, -A) version of LTRs by end of 2023
- Final approval of NEDO-33935 Supplement 1, Implementation of LANCR02/PANAC11 in Downstream Methods (parallel effort, not in scope of this review) expected mid-2024.
Non-Proprietary Information
U. S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION STAFFS EVALUATION OF GLOBAL NUCLEAR FUELS - AMERICAS TOPICAL REPORTS NEDC-33935P, REVISION 0, LANCR02/PANAC11 APPLICATION METHODOLOGY, NEDC-33377P, REVISION 4, LANCR02 LATTICE PHYSICS MODEL QUALIFICATION REPORT, AND NEDC-33376P, REVISION 4, LANCR02 LATTICE PHYSICS MODEL DESCRIPTION Mathew Panicker, Nuclear Methods and Fuel Analysis Division of Safety Systems Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Subcommittee Meeting Open Session June 6, 2023
TOPICS COVERED Introduction and Background Regulatory Evaluation, Review Guidance NEDC-33935P, Revision 0, Topical Report (TR) Application Methodology NRC Staffs Summary and Conclusions 2
INTRODUCTION AND BACKGROUND Global Nuclear Fuels - Americas (GNF-A) is updating its Nuclear Methods to enable fuel enrichments above the current licensing limits.
Three TRs submitted for review:
- NEDC-33935P, Revision 0, LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology
- NEDC-33376P, Revision 4, LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model
- NEDC-33377P, Revision 4, LANCR02 Lattice Physics Model Qualification Report 3
REGULATORY EVALUATION REVIEW GUIDANCE General Design Criterion (GDC) 10 of Appendix A to Part 50, GDC for Nuclear Power Plants Section 50.34 of the Title 10 to the Code of Federal Regulations (10 CFR) requires licensees to perform safety analyses of their facilities Section 4.3, Nuclear Design, of the NUREG-0800, Standard Review Plan for the Review of Safety Analysis Reports for Nuclear Power Plants (SRP) 4
NEDC-33935P, REVISION 0, APPLICATION METHODOLOGY Applied to various fuel designs approved for evaluation with LANCR02.
LANCR02 is a 2-Dimensional lattice physics code that is used to process nuclear data for use in the downstream analysis methods.
PANAC11 is a static 3-Dimensional coupled nuclear-thermal-hydraulic computer program representing the boiling water reactor (BWR) core exclusive of the external flow loop.
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SUMMARY
OF TR DEVELOPMENT Cold criticals and test cases for benchmarking LANCR02 validation with Monte-Carlo N-Particle (MCNP) code include higher enrichment.
Updated MCNP5 to MCNP6.2 for qualification.
LANCR02/PANAC11 Application TR defines methodologies.
LANCR02/PANAC11 provides uncertainty quantification.
Assessment of LANCR02/PANAC11 performance through operational qualifications.
TR establishes guidelines for future updates for model and uncertainty ranges.
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THE NRC STAFFS
SUMMARY
AND CONCLUSIONS The NRC staff reviewed the LANCR02/PANAC11 methodology for efficacy demonstration and uncertainty quantification.
The NRC staff reviewed the model description TR and the qualification TR and concludes that adequate models were included in the code to predict the relevant physical processes important for lattice physics analyses.
The results of these qualification analyses justified the applicability of the ENDF/B-VII.0 cross sections to analyze BWRs.
The NRC staff reviewed the LANCR02 Model, LANCR02 Model qualification, and LANCR02/PANAC11 Application Methodology TRs against the acceptance criteria specified in SRP Section 4.3, Nuclear Design.
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Attendance List Name Timestamp Michael Snodderly 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM Thomas Dashiell 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM Gerond George 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Kate Lenning 6/6/2023, 12:31:52 PM John Hannan (GNF-A) 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Halac, Kent E (GE Vernova) 6/6/2023, 12:34:16 PM Larry Burkhart 6/6/2023, 12:34:43 PM Mathew Panicker 6/6/2023, 12:36:51 PM Ron Ballinger 6/6/2023, 12:42:57 PM Gregory Halnon 6/6/2023, 12:43:49 PM Court Reporter1 6/6/2023, 12:46:58 PM Tammy Skov 6/6/2023, 12:49:10 PM Vesna B Dimitrijevic (Guest) 6/6/2023, 12:49:30 PM Vicki Bier 6/6/2023, 12:49:46 PM Robert Williams 6/6/2023, 12:59:15 PM Roberts, Thomas E 6/6/2023, 12:59:40 PM Zena Abdullahi 6/6/2023, 1:01:29 PM Richard Fu 6/6/2023, 1:02:27 PM Benjamin Parks (He/Him/His) 6/6/2023, 1:03:12 PM Gregory Suber 6/6/2023, 1:07:17 PM Sandra Walker 6/6/2023, 1:09:05 PM Kevin Heller 6/6/2023, 1:11:15 PM Sign Language Interpreter 6/6/2023, 1:12:03 PM Jennifer - ASL interpreter (Guest) 6/6/2023, 1:12:04 PM Scott Krepel 6/6/2023, 1:13:24 PM