ML22103A060
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| Site: | Duane Arnold  |
| Issue date: | 09/28/2021 |
| From: | Office of Nuclear Material Safety and Safeguards |
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| NRC-1669 | |
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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Public Meeting to Gather Comments on the Duane Arnold Post-shutdown Decommissioning Activities Report Docket Number:
(n/a)
Location:
Palo, Iowa Date:
Tuesday, September 28, 2021 Work Order No.:
NRC-1669 Pages 1-18 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
Court Reporters and Transcribers 1716 14th Street, N.W., Suite 200 Washington, D.C. 20009 (202) 234-4433
1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 2
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3 PUBLIC MEETING TO GATHER COMMENTS ON THE 4
DUANE ARNOLD POST-SHUTDOWN 5
DECOMMISSIONING ACTIVITIES REPORT 6
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7 TUESDAY 8
SEPTEMBER 28, 2021 9
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10 11 12 13 The Public Meeting was convened in the 14 Palo Community Center Gym, 2800 Hollenbeck Road, Palo, 15 Iowa, at 6:00 p.m., Bruce Watson, NRC Reactor 16 Decommissioning Branch Chief, presiding.
17 18 PRESENT:
19 BRUCE WATSON, RD Branch Chief 20 RHEX EDWARDS, Senior Health Physicist 21 KIM CONWAY, Project Manager 22 CHRISTIAN DENNES, Project Manager 23 DAVID HILLS, Region III Office Branch Chief 24 VIKTORIA MITLYNG, Office of Public Affairs 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
2 P R O C E E D I N G S 1
(6:00 p.m.)
2 MR. WATSON: Okay, I guess we'll get 3
started. I'm going to have to speak into the 4
microphone because Mr. LeGrand here is going to be 5
recording the meeting, and there will be a transcript 6
published of it and it will be made publicly available 7
on our ADAMS System. It will also be posted with a 8
meeting summary of the meeting that will also be 9
published, probably by Kim Conway and Christian Dennes 10 who are the two PMs in the back who are a part of my 11 branch.
12 Anyway, my name is Bruce Watson. I think 13 I know most of you, I've met you before. I'm Chief of 14 the Reactor Decommissioning Branch at headquarters, 15 NRC headquarters, in the Office of Nuclear Material 16 Safety and Safeguards. So, my branch is responsible 17 for the licensing functions and the overall 18 programmatic oversight of the decommissioning program, 19 in particular, the reactor decommissioning program.
20 I'm wearing a mask along with the NRC 21 employees because we are required to wear them. Since 22 this is considered an extension of our office, we're 23 required to wear them. But it's a Federal requirement 24 on us, not on the state or everybody else. You're 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
3 free to wear a mask or not. It doesn't really bother 1
anybody here I think. So, you know, I wish we could 2
play by your rules.
3 So, we had planned to hold this meeting 4
about over a year ago, and then we had the COVID-19 5
pandemic hit. So, we are required by Federal law to 6
hold this meeting in-person, and with all the 7
restrictions, we weren't able to come here in-person.
8 So, in July, we had some restrictions listed in New 9
York, and so we held a public meeting up there for the 10 Indian Point plant. Then we came out here, and we 11 still have one more to do that was submitted during, 12 right before the pandemic. Actually, we had planned 13 to do a public meeting in California the week we got 14 sent home from our offices with the pandemic.
15 So, anyway, to make a long story short, 16 I've already introduced Kim and Christian Dennes in 17 the back. From our Region III Office, we have David 18 Hills who is the Branch Chief for inspecting the 19 plant, and Senior HP Inspector is Rhex Edwards. Him 20 and Kim are actually performing an inspection of the 21 plant this week. I'm going to have to do something 22 with this.
23 So, with that, I'll go ahead and mention 24 we are here to collect or obtain -- oh, I'm going to 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
4 have to get rid of this. Just scoot apart.
1 We are here to obtain public comments on 2
the Duane Arnold Post-Shutdown Decommissioning 3
Activities Report, and so we'll have a presentation on 4
that. We are going to hold a virtual meeting next 5
Thursday, a webinar for those people who chose not to 6
come to this meeting. It's been kind of a tagalong 7
because there is some aversion to people coming to 8
public meetings. So, that will also be hosted by 9
myself and with the support -- I'm sorry, I forgot to 10 introduce Vikka, she's from our Office of Public 11 Affairs.
12 So, Vikka and I will be doing, along with 13 probably Rhex and some of my staff, doing that 14 particular webinar, as we have from the other plants 15 that are shut down. I think we did one here over a 16 year ago, two years ago maybe, when the plant 17 announced it was shutting down.
18 So, I think I've got all the preliminaries 19 out of the order, out of the way. Like I said, we're 20 here to collect your comments on the PSDAR, the Post-21 Shutdown Decommissioning Activities Report. So, with 22 that, I'll go ahead and begin. Let's bring in Slide 23 1.
24 All right. So, again, our purpose is to 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
5 collect comments on the post-shutdown decommissioning 1
activities. We have certain procedures we have to 2
follow. I've already done the introductions. We've 3
begun the NRC presentation, and then we'll go over 4
some ground rules which I don't think we're really 5
going to need many since we don't have a huge crowd 6
here. So, speakers, we'll give you plenty of time to 7
provide us comments.
8 We'll be looking, if there is any, elected 9
or state or local officials or Native American tribes 10 that want to make comments. We'll probably, we'll ask 11 for those first, and then we'll go to public comments.
12 Then we will close the meeting at 9:00 o'clock, if not 13 earlier, assuming that we don't have a giant crowd 14 show up in the next hour or so. So, with that, let's 15 go to the next slide.
16 The NRC has a lot of decommissioning 17 experience, and we have basically terminated almost 80 18 complex material sites. We include in that not only 19 the complex material sites that do uranium and thorium 20 work and other radioactive materials, but also we've 21 done 10 reactors that are included in that, power 22 reactors, and I think 18 research reactors. So, I 23 think we've got a lot of experience, at least I think 24 we've got more experience in any other country in the 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
6 world at this point.
1 One of the things I wanted to point out is 2
that the regulations are performance-based and risk-3 informed. So, we allow a lot of flexibility for the 4
licensees in determining their course of the 5
decommissioning activities. That includes, you know, 6
the completion of the decommissioning at the end of 60 7
years, and so it has to be done by then. It's not 8
allowed to go on. We just had a recent ruling vote 9
from the Commission reaffirming that 60-year rule for 10 a California plant that requested an extension to 11 that. So, it's been reaffirmed that it will stay at 12 60 years, and so we'll do that.
13 So, with the next slide, let's go. Right 14 now, the program has grown dramatically over the last, 15 I'll say since 2013 when Kewaunee first shut down. We 16 now have 17 units in active decommissioning, so we 17 have a lot of work going on in the country. Of 18 course, some of these are multi-unit sites but they 19 are in active decommissioning by our definition.
20 They're working to start either planning, at various 21 stages of the decommissioning, whether planning and 22 actively decommissioning, or in the process of either 23 planning or moving spent fuel to the dry fuel storage 24 which is generally one of the first steps in the 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
7 decommissioning process. There are nine units in 1
SAFSTOR and that would include Duane Arnold as of 2
today. So, next slide.
3 I'll turn it over to Rhex and let him talk 4
about the inspection program.
5 MR. EDWARDS: Thanks, Bruce, and good 6
evening, everyone. My name is Rhex Edwards. I am a 7
Spent Fuel Storage and Reactor Decommissioning 8
Inspector.
9 Shortly after Duane Arnold shut down, the 10 inspection responsibilities at the site were 11 transferred over to my team, which is consisting of a 12 group of inspectors in the NRC's Region III Office out 13 of Lisle, Illinois. As we all know, Duane Arnold 14 currently has a license issued by the NRC. For as 15 long as they have that license, we will be performing 16 inspections at the plant. These inspections will 17 continue to provide oversight of reactor 18 decommissioning activities, safe storage of spent 19 fuel, as well as security at the site.
20 This slide provides a bit of background on 21 our decommissioning inspection program. Certain 22 inspections are going to happen every year at the 23 site, we refer to those as core inspections. Then 24 other inspections will be done as needed, as 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
8 conditions are appropriate. We refer to those as 1
discretionary inspections. We scale our inspections 2
relative to the work that's occurring on site. So, 3
when there's more active decommissioning activities 4
occurring, we are on site more for those activities.
5 Spent fuel at Duane Arnold is being stored 6
at both spent fuel pool as well as a dry cask storage 7
facility or an independent spent fuel storage 8
installation. As indicated in the Post-Shutdown 9
Decommissioning Activities Report, the site is making 10 preparations to move all of that spent fuel out of the 11 spent fuel pool and into dry cask storage beginning in 12 2021. To support this, an additional storage pad has 13 been constructed north of the existing pad. NRC had 14 inspectors review the design of that part of 15 construction, and then we were also on site to observe 16 some of the key construction activities.
17 Once the movement of fuel from the spent 18 fuel pool begins into dry cask storage, we'll have an 19 inspector periodically on site to observe those 20 lowering operations until the fuel is moved into, or 21 all the fuel is moved out of the pool and is in the 22 independent spent fuel storage installations. Then 23 after that, even when the fuel is all in dry cask 24 storage, NRC inspectors will periodically return to 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
9 the site and evaluate the monitoring of those 1
canisters containing fuel.
2 With that, Bruce, back to you.
3 MR. WATSON: Okay, one of the key things 4
that I want everyone to understand is the NRC doesn't 5
go away just because a plant is shut down. We're 6
going to be here until all the radioactive material is 7
removed and meets our standards for terminating the 8
licenses. By that, I mean, the reactor site and the 9
dry fuel storage, no matter how 10 long it takes to get it out of there.
11 So, a few facts about Duane Arnold. It 12 started operating in 1974. The license was renewed in 13 2010. On August 10th, due to the derecho, it was shut 14 down permanently on August 10th, 2020.
15 So, with that shutdown, NextEra submitted 16 a number of certifications. One was they had 17 permanently ceased operations, and they also certified 18 that they permanently removed the fuel from the 19 reactor. With that second certification, they could 20 no longer load the fuel back in the reactor and 21 operate it. So, it's very clear that they're in 22 decommissioning. They'd have to reapply to operate 23 the plant again.
24 So, they submitted the Post-Shutdown 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
10 Decommissioning Activities Report, or we call them 1
PSDAR, on August 2nd, 2020. You can find that, if 2
you're familiar with our NRC archival system for 3
documents, this is the ML number, the ADAMS ML number 4
is on the slide. So, if you're familiar with that, 5
you can find that, and it's available on our public 6
website. Just go to ADAMS and put in that number.
7 So, what is a
Post-Shutdown 8
Decommissioning Activities Report? It's basically a 9
report and it's really to align a number of things.
10 Number one, it aligns the NRC resources, knowing what 11 the future is at the site so we can align our 12 resources to meet the inspection requirements and 13 licensing requirements. The PSDAR should contain a 14 description of the planned decommissioning activities.
15 It will have a high-level schedule of planned 16 decommissioning activities. It is required to have a 17 site-specific decommissioning estimate, and also a 18 review of the environmental impacts of the 19 decommissioning. Basically, that is generally a 20 reaffirmation of the environmental assessment that's 21 been done on the plant that allowed it to operate.
22 So, most of those things don't change after the plant 23 is shut down, but there could be some new information 24 that would be included.
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11 So, the PSDAR review process, we noticed 1
it in the Federal Register, and we request public 2
comments. So, it's been there since 2020 and has been 3
available for people to make comments through the 4
Federal Register. It also schedules a public meeting, 5
which is us, and we're here tonight to discuss the 6
PSDAR and obtain your comments. We have a number of 7
documents which provide some guidance on the content 8
of the PSDAR and the decommissioning process, and so 9
just a couple of regulatory guides. You could find 10 those on our public website in Regulatory Guide 1.184 11 and Regulatory Guide 1.185 which specifically spells 12 out the information we would like to have in the 13 PSDAR.
14 Keep in mind, the PSDAR is not a Federal 15 action. It is merely a report from the licensee 16 telling us their plans and giving us the opportunity 17 to see where the decommissioning fund is and what 18 their schedule is in making sure the environment stays 19 safe.
20 So, like I said, the site permanently 21 ceased operation in August 2020. They are preparing 22 the plant for SAFSTOR and the transfer of the spent 23 fuel to dry storage by 2023, probably maybe a little 24 bit longer than that, 2024. It's really up to their 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
12 schedule. With all the plants shutting down, there's 1
been some supply problems getting casks and other 2
things. But the fuel will have been in storage long 3
enough and will meet all the heat transfer 4
requirements for that to happen. As a matter of fact, 5
I think they're probably qualified now to do that.
6 So, we're expecting by the DOE schedule, 7
that all the spent fuel will go to DOE by 2059.
8 That's not the NRC's proclamation but the Department 9
of Energy's. So, they expect a complete radiological 10 decommissioning by 2080, which is a 60-year window.
11 So, the site will remain in SAFSTOR.
12 So, in the PSDAR, they've put in the 2019 13 cost estimate, and they estimated the balance to be 14
$568 million, and that was in 2018 dollars. They 15 estimated at that time the cost to complete the 16 radiological decommissioning would be around $724 17 million. In their annual report, because they're 18 required to submit an annual report, now that they're 19 shut down, to us each year, in March of each year 20 reporting on the previous year's status of the 21 decommissioning fund, so in March of 2021, they 22 reported that the 2020 decommissioning trust fund 23 balance was about $633 million. They then estimated 24 the cost to complete the radiological decommissioning 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
13 at $747 million, and that was at that time. So, 1
there's some room for the trust fund to grow and 2
they've got plenty of time for the horizon to meet 3
that funding.
4 So, like I said before, one of the key 5
things I want to bring out is that the NRC oversight 6
continues until the license is terminated. We will 7
continue with licensing activities at the site to 8
ensure the safety requirements are maintained. The 9
NRC, mainly out of our Region III Office, will 10 continue inspections of the facilities commensurate 11 with the safety risks and activities.
12 So, as Rhex said, in plain language, if it 13 were in SAFSTOR and there's nothing happening at the 14 plant, we will be here at least once a year to look at 15 some basic safety requirements that the plant is being 16 maintained in a safe condition. If activities start 17 up where they're starting to do some dismantling work, 18 then we'll be here to observe that work and work 19 closely with the licensee to make sure it's done 20 safely and compliantly with the regulations. Next 21 slide.
22 For the PSDAR review, we do a technical 23 review of the decommissioning strategy and schedule.
24 We have a special group of financial people who do the 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
14 analysis of the decommissioning trust fund and the 1
spent fuel trust funds if they're separate, they could 2
be in one fund. But they do an analysis of the trust 3
funds to make sure there's a reasonable assurance that 4
there's adequate funds to do the decommissioning.
5 Also, we do an environmental review to ensure that the 6
plant decommissioning strategies will be bounded by 7
the existing environmental reports. If not, then 8
those will be supplemented. Next slide.
9 So, how do you provide comments on the 10 PSDAR? Well, you can provide them to us in this 11 public meeting. As I said, Mr. LeGrand over here is 12 recording the meeting for the transcript, so we'll get 13 your comments that way. We are holding a webinar on 14 October 6th, from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m.
15 You can submit your comments by mail, and 16 that's to our Office of Administration and it's a 17 really simple mail stop, TWFN-7-A60M. Of course, 18 there is the NRC address, you can just send it to 19 Program Management Announcements. Then you could 20 always go to the Federal Rulemaking
- website, 21 regulations.gov, and all you've got to do is search 22 the docket which is NRC-2020-0148, and you can provide 23 comments that way by uploading them into the Federal 24 Register notice -- Federal Rulemaking website, sorry.
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15 Your comments are due to us by December 1
20th. Now we've had to extend the comment period 2
because we couldn't hold a public meeting for a long 3
time. But in recognition of that, you still have a 4
couple more months to get the comments in to us.
5 If we find the, at our final review of the 6
PSDAR, we find it acceptable and meets our context 7
requirements and information, then we'll just be 8
notifying the licensee that we thank them for 9
submitting their PSDAR report. Like I said, it is not 10 a Federal action, it is not a license amendment, it's 11 not an exemption where, you know, there's opportunity 12 for a hearing and other things that could go on with 13 a Federal action.
14 So, with that, I wanted to thank you for 15 being here. I know, you know, it's sometimes tough to 16 get away and come out to public meetings, especially 17 in the evenings. But we're here to listen to your 18 comments. As I said, the meeting is being 19 transcribed, it will be publicly available. We'll 20 also publish a meeting summary, and we'll do our best 21 to answer any questions you have. I don't guarantee 22 we can answer all the questions, but we try to answer 23 them with reasonably good information. Generally, if 24 it's a general question, we can generally answer it, 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
16 but we can't always answer all questions.
1 So, with that, I'd like to ask if there's 2
any elected officials who would like to make any 3
comments?
4 (No response.)
5 MR. WATSON: So, we don't have anybody?
6 State Senate or Federal, whatever, representatives?
7 (No response.)
8 MR. WATSON: Okay, do we have any 9
government officials that would like to make any 10 statements?
11 (No response.)
12 MR. WATSON: No? No state or locals?
13 (No response.)
14 MR. WATSON: Okay, and do we have any 15 Native American tribes represented tonight that would 16 like to make a statement?
17 (No response.)
18 MR. WATSON: Okay, so let's go to public 19 comments.
20 Kim, do you have the list? Did anybody 21 sign up to make any comments, Or you can just raise 22 your hand, it's not a big crowd.
23 MR. EDWARDS: Maybe we should do an audio 24 check, Bruce.
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17 Can everybody hear us okay? Just 1
checking.
2 MR. WATSON: I mean, we accept throw 3
comments, too, but you know, we rarely get them.
4 Yes, I'll just say that the most recent 5
meeting, public meeting we had was up at, and you 6
don't need to record this, but it was up at Indian 7
Point. We had, oh, about 60 people in the audience, 8
and we previously had what we call a government-to-9 government meeting. We had about 60 or 70 people 10 there, too. So, the evening meeting went about 3.5 11 hours1.273148e-4 days <br />0.00306 hours <br />1.818783e-5 weeks <br />4.1855e-6 months <br />. We limited people to two to three minutes for 12 their comments. So, we have plenty of time tonight if 13 anybody has a prepared speech or something.
14 We can't drag anybody off the street 15 either.
16 Well, you know, the NRC staff is required 17 to be here, I'm going to say at least another hour or 18 so. So, with that, we'll just close down the mics and 19 we can just chat with people if you wish if you have 20 no specific comments to make on the PSDAR.
21 So, all right. So, we'll just leave it 22 there for now.
23 (Off the record.)
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18 to thank everybody for coming. Appreciate you coming 1
out tonight and participating at the meeting. We're 2
going to take into consideration all your comments, 3
and those will be incorporated into our meeting 4
summary for this meeting.
5 Again, I'd like to remind you that we're 6
having the virtual meeting on October 6th, and we hope 7
you will be able to, people that were unable to attend 8
will be able to attend that. Thank you very much.
9 Have a good night, bye-bye.
10 (Whereupon, at 7:11 p.m., the above-11 mentioned public meeting was concluded.)
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