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{{#Wiki_filter:. 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 2 3 -------------------------------X 4 In the Matter of:  : 5 Investigative Interview of  : l

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                ,                                     Duke Power Company 11 l                                     422 South Church Street j                                     Charlotte, North Carolina 12 Thursday, April 12, 1984 13 14 15 8

The Investigative Interview of LARRY R. DAVISON 16 commenced at 11:05 a.m., the witness having previously been 17 duly sworn by C. L. Williamson, U. S. Nuclear Regulatory , 18 Commission. 19 20 21 22 23 I 24 8508120330 850702 25 PDR FOIA DELL 84-722 PDR

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3 1 APPEARANCES: 2 On Behalf of the NRC: 3 E. L. Williamson Investigator 4 Office of Investigations Region II 5 101 Marietta Street , N.W. Suite 2900 6 Atlanta, Georgia 30303 7 James Y. Vorse Director 8 Office of Investigations . Region II 9 101 Marietta Street, N.W. Suite 290u to 1 ntlanta, Georgia 30303 11 l { On Behalf of the Witness: 12 l Albert V. Carr, Jr., Esq. 13 Assistant General Counsel Duke Power Compnny 14 422 South Chure:1 Street Charlotte, North Carolina 15 J. Michael McGarry, Esq. 16 Bishop, Libe rman , Cook, Purcell & Reynolds 17 ifashing on D C , 2b36 is i 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

3 I EEEEEEE1EES 2 MR. WILLIAMSON: For the re co rd , is it now 11:05 3 a.m., and this is an interview of Larry R. Davison, who is 4 employed by Duke Power Company. The location of this i 5 I interview is Duke Power Company, 822 Church Street, 6 Charlotte, North Carolina. Present at this interview are 7 E. L. Williamson, J. Y. Vorse, A. V. Carr, Jr., and J. { 8 Michael McGarry. 9 i As agreed, this interview is being transcribed to , by court reporter Garrett J. Walsh, Jr. The s ubj ect matter 11 of this interview concerns Catawba Nuclear Station. 12 Mr. Davison, we want to continue with another j 13 - area of questioning. i I remind you that you are still under i 14 l oath. I 15 MR. DAVISON: Yes. 16 MR. WILLIAMSON: You understand that? 17 MR. DAVISON: Yee. I 18 i Whereupon, i 19 . LARRY R. DAVISON, , i 20 was called as a witness, and having previously been duly 21 sworn, was examined and testified as follows: 1 22 DIRECT EXAMINATION 23 BY MB. WILLIAMSON: l 1 l 24

                 !       Q      Once again, let me get you to state your name           j t

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4 1 A I am Larry R. Davison. 2 O And your present position with Duke is? 3 A I am the Project OA Manager at Catawba. 4 O Previous employment with Duke included what i 5 positions? 6 A They included the OA Manager of Projects for 7 Duke Power Company in the OA Department, and it included 8 the Senior Quality Control Engineer position at Catawba  ;

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6 9 j from 1974 to 1981. ' 10 0 Prior to your employment with Duke you were , 11 employed by whom? 12 A I was in the U. S. Navy for four years prior 1 13 to being employed by Duke. 14 O And your educational background, you indicated j 15 , that you had graduated f rom Georgia Tech in -- l 16 , A Yes. In 1967 I received a Bachelor of Mechanical i ) 17 i Engineering Degree f rom Georgia Tech. la . O There are some concerns, or allegations, that i 19 ! Were raised during the ASLB hearings by f ormer welding 20 inspector Harry Langley, that he and other members of that I , 21 class , Welding Inspector class , that was held in 1977, and 22 the exact date I am not sure of, I believe it was early  ! i 23 1977, one of the first classes, that they were prcvided i 24 answers to test questions, assisted i r. successfully  ! i 25 completing and passing that course.

5 1 As you recall, from the best of your knowledge, 2 what was your role in the training of the welding inspect' ors 3 at Catawba during that particular time frame, the first class 4 in 1977? 6 A f I d on ' t specifically remember that class. I had 6 conducted several portions of the training for welding I 7

                ' inspectors, leading to their certification as welding 8    inspectors during that period of t ime .       And after that period I

9 'of time, I had performed some -- for some period of time as i 10

                ,the Level III Welding Inspector Examiner responsible for 11 conducting the training leading to certification.

i 12 But during that period of time, and the reason I 13 lknow this is by looking back at the records of that class, 14 lI conducted one or two of the training class sessions that i 15 l occurred, among several other people. And I believe Mr. Ray 16

                ,Hollins was filling the Level III Examiner Training 17 l responsibilities.

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linstructionyourenderedtotheclass? 20 A No. Only again through looking at the records, 21 and I don't recall specifically what they were right now. 22 I believe it may have been general OA requirements, 23 procedures, or that type of thing; general OA program. But 24 I don't re call specifically. 25 0 Who was primarily responsible for providing the 1

6 1 training to weld inspectors? 2 As I recall, you participated, as did Beau Ross, 3 Charlie Baldwin, and Ray Hollins. 4 A That is correct. 6 Q Was one of those individuals primarily responsible 6 for providing training? 7 A Yes, Ray Hollins being a Level III welding , l 8 inspector, had the responsibility for training, testing, 9 l and recommending certification of the welding inspector ,

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10 i candidates. 11 0 Do you recall how long the class lasted, and what 12 the class composition was? l' 13 A No. Again, just from having looked at the 14 re co rd s , there were several weeks involved. Typically, with 15 instruction for sone portion of the day. Half a day usually, 16 over a period of some number of weeks. 17 0 Do you recall the class members of welding 18 inspectors? ' 19  ! A Well, from looking at the roster, I recall them. 20 I don't recall them from being able to recall that class. i 21 O Who were those? f I 22 A You are going to tax my memory here. Charlie 23 l Crisp, Ronnie Kirby, Pete Sherrif, and Harry Langley. l l  ! 24 I believe there were some other mechanical f 25 inspectors that sat in in that class. I

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 .                                                                              7 1         0     Do you recall the testing procedure utilized in 2   that class for the welding inspectors?

3 A In general, yes. Specifically for that one, no. 4 You want me to describe that? 6 0 Will you describe generally what you would call 6 testing procedures? 7 A The Level III had the responsibility to determine 8 what type of test would be given, and how they would be 9 l weighed to determine a person 's score. If he employed 10 i another individual to teach a certain particular section l 11 i as far as tests given each day, as I recall it, he would i 12 basically leave that up to that individual instructor. I 13 l He would review and approve a final written 14 examination, and also would review and approve an oral or 15 practical examination that was given to the candidates , and 16 f he would review all of the tests that were given and the l 17 grading of those tests, he would review that. 18 i 0 Were students provided daily quizzes?  ! i 19 ; A Again it was depending upon what the individual l 20 instructor desired to do in that case. In looking back at 21 the records in that case, I believe Mr. Hollins taught part 22 of that. He gave some daily quizzes. Daily quizzes were , l 23 given in the portion that I and Charles and Beau taught 24 as well. 25 0 Are these quizzes maintained by the staf f, or are

. .... .,.... . . _ . . - . .. . . . . I 8 1 they returned to the student? 2 A Again, I can't remember specifically that class. 3 It was my practice when I taught, that to return the test 4 to the student, and let them keep that test until whatever 5 final test was given for study purposes, and then take those 6 tests back up, and I believe that was probably the general 7 practice by most instructors. 8 j 0 Did you provide any assistance in terms of , 9  ! providing answers to anyone in the class on any of their l 10 examinations; either the daily quizzes or the final exam? 11 , A No. If you mean give them the answer -- l 12 O In specifically providing answers to the test? A i 13 l i No. 14 0 Are you aware of anyone who might have provided  ! 15 assistance to these individuals in the class? , 16 ' A No. I t 17 l 0 Have you discussed these alleged allegations 18 with anyone else? Has there been anyone else who has  ; 19  ! discussed these with you in regards to another investigation? K) A Not in any detail. I believe Mr. Langley made l t 21 I that allegation one day at the hearing , and after he did that 22 Mr. Baldwin and myself did look to see the records of that l I 23 class, and that is where a lot of my recollection of that 24 specific class comes f rom. I 25 l And I have discussed it in general terms with our l I

9 1 legal counsel, but not as f ar as any investigation. 2 Q Mr. Davison, have I or any other NRC represen'tative 3 here threatened you in any manner, or of fered you any reward 4 in return for this statement? 6 A No. 6 O Have you given this statement freely and 7 voluntarily? 8 A Yes. 9 Q Is there any additional information you would to ' like to add to the record regarding these concerns? . i i 11 A Yes. I would like to say that in my experience 6 t 12 with Duke, the situation as alleged by Mr. Langley, cheating l 13 on an examination, is a very serious matter. And it is l l 14 treated that way by Duke and Duke Management, and I am aware 15 of cases where employees have been terminated for such an 16 offense, and I feel sure that had any of the supervisors or 17 people involved in teaching that course been aware of that, i 18 that that would have been handled in an appropriate way 19 if it did occur, andIdon'tbelieveitoccurred,andhaven'tl 20 seen the evidence that it occurred. 21 But had it occurred, and been known, I believe l 22 that would have been handled appropriately. l M Q Anything else you would like to add for the i 4 24 record ? 26 A That is all.

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2 3 -------------------------------X 4 In the Matter of:  : 5 Investigative Interview of  : 6 LARRY R. DAVISON  : 7 -------------------------------X 8 9 10 Duke Power Company 11 422 South Church Street Charlotte, North Carolina 12 Thursday, April 12, 1984 13 14 15 The Investigative Interview of LARRY R. DAVISON 16 commenced at 11:05 a.m., the witness having previously been 17 duly sworn by E. L. Williamson, U. S. Nuclear Regulatory 18 Commission. 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 yg \b> 01 oh a.

1 /.PPE AE1.: . J e c. : l 2 i On Behalf of the NRC: I l 3 i E. L. Williamson Investigator 4 Office of Investigations Region II 5 101 Marietta Street, N.W. Suite 2900 6 Atlanta, Georgia 30303 7 James Y. Vorse Director 8 Office of Investigations Region II 9 101 Marietta Street, N.W. Suite 2900 10 Atlanta, Georgia 30303 11 On Behalf of the Witness: 12 Albert V. Carr, Jr., Esq. 13 Assistant General Counsel Duke Power Company 14 422 South Church Street Charlotte, North Carolina 15 J. Michael McGarry, Esq. 16 Bishop, Liberman, Cook, Purcell & Heynolds 1200 17th Street, N.W. 17 Washington, D. C., 20036 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4

a i I b EE9EEEE1EES i 2 i MR. WILLIAMSON: For the record , is it now 11:05 3 a.m., and this is an interview of Larry R. Davison, who is 4 employed by Duke Power Company. The location of this 5 interview is Duke Power Company, 822 Church Street, 6 Charlotte, North Carolina. Prescnt at this interview are 7 E. L. Williamson, J. Y. Vorse, A. V. Carr, Jr., and J. 8 Michael McCarry. 9 As agreed, this interview is being transcribed 10 by court reporter Garrett J. Walsh, Jr. The subject matter 11 of this interview concerns Catawba Nuclear Station. 12 - Mr. Davison, we want to continue with another 13 area of questioning. I remind you that -you are still under 14 oath. 15 MR. DAVISON : Yes. 16 MR. WILLIAMSON : You understand that? 17 MR. DAVISON: Yes. 18 Whereupon, 19 LARRY R. DAVISON, 20 was called as a witness, and having previously been duly 21 sworn, was examined and testified as follows: 22 DIRECT EXAMINATION 23 BY MR. WILLIAMSON: 24 Q Once again, let me get you to state your name 25 for the record?

4 1 A 1 ar Larry R. Davison. 2 i Q And your present position with Duke is? 3 A I am the Project QA Manager at Catawba. 4 O Previous employment with Duke included what 5 positions? 6 A They included the QA Manager of Projects for 7 Duke Power Company in the QA Department, and it included 8 the Senior Quality Control Engineer position at Catawba 9 from 1974 to 1981. 10 Q Prior to your employment with Duke you were 11 employed by whom?

    .12               A     I was in the U. S. Navy for four years prior 13 -       to being employed by Duke.

14 Q And your educational background, you indicated 15 that you had graduated f rom Georgia Tech in -- 16 A Yes. In 1967 I received a Bachelor of Mechanical 17 Engineering Degree from Georgia Tech. 18 Q There are some concerns, or allegations, that 19 were raised during the ASLB hearings by former welding 20 inspector Harry Langley, that he and other members of that 21 class, Welding Inspector class, that was held in 1977, and 22 the exact date I am not sure of, I believe it was early 23 1977, one of the first classes, that they were provided 24 answers to test questions , assisted in successfully 25 completing and passing that course.

1 As you recall, f rom the best of your knowledge, 2 l what was your role in the training of the welding inspectors 3 I at Catawba during that particular time frame, the first class 4 in 1977? 5 A I don't specifically remember that class. I had 6 conducted several portions of the training for welding 7 inspectors, leading to their certification as welding 8 inspectors during that period of time. And after that period 9 of time, I had performed some -- for some period of time as 10 the Level III Welding Inspector Examiner responsible for 11 conducting the training leading to certification. l 12 I But during that period of time, and the reason I 13 know this is by looking back at the records of that class, 14 I conducted one or two of the training class sessions that 15 l occurrad, among several other people. And I believe.Mr. Ray 16 Hollins was filling the Level III Examiner Training 17 f. re sponsibilitie s . I 18 Do you recall, specifically, what areas of Q 19 instruction you rendered to the class?

3) A No. Only again through looking at the records, 21 and I don't recall specifically what they were right now.

22 I believe it may have been general QA requirements, [ 23 procedures, or that type of thing; general QA program. But 24 l I don't recall specifically. 25 l 0 Who was primarily responsible for providing the i

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2 As I recall, you participated, as did Beau Ross, 3 Charlie Baldwin, and Ray Hollins. 4 A That is correct. 5 O Was one of those individuals primarily responsible. 6 for providing training? 7 A Yes, Ray Hollins being a Level III welding 8 inspector, had the responsibility for training, testing, 9 and recommending certification of the welding inspector 10 candidates. 11 0 Do you recall how long the class lasted, and what 12 the class composition was? 13 A No. Again, just from having looked at the 14 records, there were several weeks involved. Typically, with 15 instruction for some portion of the day. Half a day usually, 16 over a period of some number of weeks. 17 Q Do you recall the class members of welding 18 inspectors? 19 A Well, from looking at the roster, I recall them. 20 I don't recall them from being able to recall that class. j' 21 Q Who were those? 22 A You are going to tax my memory here. Charlie 23 Crisp, Ronnie Kirby, Pete Sherrif, and Harry Langley. 24 I believe there were some other mechanical 25 inspectors that sat in in that class.

L  ! l 1 0 Do you recall the testing procedure utilized in 2 that class for the welding inspectors?

3. A In general, yes. Specifically for that one, no.

4 You want me to describe that? 5 0 Will you describe generally what you would call 6 testing procedures? 7 A The Level III had the responsibility to determine 8 what type of test would be given, and how they would be 9 weighed to determine a person's score. If he employed 10 another individual to teach a certain particular section 11 as far as tests given each day, as I recall it, he would 12 basically leave that up to that individual instructor. 13 He would review and approve a final written 14 examination, and also would review and approvo an oral or 15 practical examination that was given to the candidates, and 16 he would review all of the tests that were given and the 17 grading of those tests, he would review that. 18 0 Were students provided daily quizzes?

19 A Again it was depending upon what the individual 20 instructor desired to do in that case. In looking back at r

21 the records in that case, I believe Mr. Hollins taught part M of that. He gave some daily quizzes. Daily q0izzes were 23 given in the portion that I and Charles and Beau taught 24 as well. 25 0 Are these quizzes maintained by the' staff, or are l-l l I '

1 they returned to the student? i 2 A Again, I can't remember specifically that class. 3 It was my practice when I taught, that to return the test 4 to the student, and let them keep that test until whatever 5 final test was given for study purposes, and then take those 6 tests back up, and I believe that was probably the general 7 practice by most instructors. 8 Q Did you provide any assistance in terms of 9 providing answers to anyone in the class on any of their 10 examinations; either the daily quizzes or the final exam? 11 A No. If you mean give them the answer -- 12 O In specifically providing answers to the test? 13 A No. 14 O Are you aware of anyone who might have provided 15 assistance to these individuals in the class?

          -16          A     No.

17 Q Have you discussed these alleged allegations ! 18 with anyone else? Has there been anyone else who has 19 discussed these with you in regards to another investigation? 20 A Not in any detail. I believe Mr. Langley made 21 that allegation one day at the hearing, and after he did that 22 Mr. Baldwin and myself did look to see the records of that 23 class, and that is where a lot of my recollection of that 24 specific class comes from. 25 And I have discussed it in general terms with our

l- . L 1 legal counsel, but not as far as any investigation. l 2 O Mr. Davison, have I or any other NRC representative l 3 here threatened you in any manner, or offered you any reward 4 in return for this statement? 5 A No. 6 Q Have you given this statement freely and 7 voluntarily? 8 A Yes. 9 Q Is there any additional information you would to like to add to the record regarding these concerns? 11 A Yes. I would like to say that in my experience 12 with Duke, the situation as alleged by Mr. L angley , cheating 13 on an examination, is a very serious matter. And it is 14 treated that way by Duke and Duke Management, and I am aware 15 of cases where employees have been terminated for such an 16 o f fen se , and I feel sure that had any of the supervisors or 17 people involved in teaching that course been aware of that, i 18 that that would have been handled in an appropriate way r 19 if it did occur, and I don't believe it occurred, and haven't 20- seen the evidence that it occurred. 21 But had it occurred, and been known, I believe 22 that would have been handled appropriately. M Q Anything else you would like to add for the i 24 record? M A That is all.

I ':R . h'ILLI AMSON : This interview is completed at 2  ; 11:15 on April 12, 1984. 3 (Whereupon, the interview was concluded at 4 11:15 a.m., this same day.) 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 l 22 23 l 24 25 i L_

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                   ,             Date of Proceedir.g: April 12, 1984.

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                   ,    were held as herein appears, and that this is the original
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f 5 " L ;. FES M 5 0F 1rE;.:EW K: 3 E; ;r ; m m G' ('. #M APY 19, MN AS PP U UE D F.Y E . L . L '. L L I A50 ' On January 19, 199 , Eddie FEE C EP, forrer Quality Co-trrl (OCl Welcing Inspector at Duke Power Company's (DPC) Catawba huclear Plant, Clover, SC was interviewed at the Holiday Inn, Rock Hill, SC by Investigators E. L. Villiamson and J. Y. Vorse. FEEMSTER provided the following infor-mation in substance: FEEMSTER stated that he had worked for DPC on two different occasions, once for approximately three years (1976-1979) and the second time for approxi-mately two years (1981-19831. He said during his first employment he worked as a welder for one anc a half years and as a QC welding inspector for one and a half years. During his second enployment he worked two years as DC welding inspector. He said prior tc working for DDC he worked for Daniels Construction Company, Yeargin Cor.struction Cempany and Westinghouse as bcth fitter and welder. Fe said he had approximately nine years welding experience when he went to work for DPC. FEEMSTEF stated iritially that he lef t DPC for personal reasons citing personality conflicts and what he considered mistreatment by management. He said that these problens were not connected ir any way with technical matters or harassment issues that 01 might be investigating. FEEMSTER stated he lef t DPC in August 1983 and was well aware of the the

   " welding inspectors concerns." He said that DFC has a procedure in existence to cover everything that happens, both technical and personnel.

He stated this is where some of the problems begar. He explained that supervision would not follow the personnel procedures as they were writter and they would not always back upthe inspectors. He said tc his knowledge technical procedures were always followed in the strictest sense. He said some irspectors were ridiculous in their inspectiors, such as saying a weld was four thousandtt of an inen toc small or large and making the craf t reweld the material. He said ro one could measure something that small but l some welding inspectors did anc were successful in getting the obiett rewelded. FEEMSTER said he always had supervisor and managerent support when he w ote ar NCI, addir.g that they (supervisier. and management) knew that wher, he wrote an NCI there was a problem. He said if a problem could be resolved on the spct without violating a procedure then it was corrected at that time. He said he did not write unnecessary NCIs but he felt that other welding inspectors used little common sense ir their approach to inspections. He said some inspectors (NFI) would abuse their authority ty writing unnecessary NCIs. He said some inspectors would misinterpret the procedures, interpreting them as they thought they should have been inter-oreted and ret allowing for on the spct corrections. He said in addition to not havire any problem with writing NCis he did not have any problem with the resciution. He said that all resolutions were sufficient to take care of the identified problem. He said in his opinion, DPC always addressed and corrected the problems, and usually "over-worked" the situation by excessive evaluations and reviews. c\ k a 0:~ :

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  • ir t curirc &is ' irs + p ;'oy e 1, ;o f.,c7o, hc wc; cLiled to dc ; c' ear.-up ir.:.r;ection N ' or some car cr. Steel pipe ir Ur.1 : 2 reactor buildinc. He said he thought it wer cl6ss "E or C" but he could nnt recall (>activ. Fe said the rire hac rust en tre inside and he refusec to sign-off cr the clear,-bt. he said tFe weldinc #crecan involved, cut a sample o' the pipe and took it to his supervisor " Beau" ROSS. FEEMSTER said ROSS agreed with him that there was excessive rust and that it should not be signed off until the rust was removed. He said the welding foreman eventually tock the issue to Larry DAV! SON, Project GA Manager, who said the pipe was just going to rust again because it would be three or four years before the system would be put into service. According to FEEMSTER, DAVIS 0N told ROSS to get him (FEEMSTER) to sign off on the clean-up.

FEEMSTER said that he was later told by ROSS that DAVIS 0N said that if he (R0SS), could not do his job then he (DAVISON) would find someone to do if for him. He said ROSS told him to sign off on the Clean-up and make a note on the back of the sigr ef' sheet that the pipe certained excessive rust ard that Larry DAVISON, the 0A Encireer, had accepted the pipe as is. He said he was not sure why but a'ter that incident he did not have any problems with rust in or on pipe because it was always cleaned prior to inspection. FEEMSTER said he had discussions on occasions with Charles BALDWIN, CA Technical Supervisor and EALDWIN would always tell hir that he should not ouestion his supervisors because all decisions were to be carried out as directed without discussion. He added that this was the attitude the first time he worked at Catawba but he said wher he went back in 1981 (September) thinos were better, management seemed to be more restersive and more willing to cooperate. FEEMSTER stated that it was around this time, September 1981, that the welding inspectors began their recourse proceedings against DPC because they had not received the same amount o' pay increase as other erployees. He said there were a lot of " bad feelings" among the welding inspectors dLring this tire. He said this is when the so callec welding insDeCtor concerns" began tc surface. He acced that he trcught these concerns were overstated. he said that from the beginring, Larry DAVISON was the problem, because inspectors could not talk to him, etc when he did talk to the inspectors he telked down to them. He said because of his attitude. DAVISON probably caused as many problems as he prevented. FEEMSTER said other than the previously mentioned rust incident, he was not aware of any other inspector who was ever threatenec, intimidated or harassed by anyone. He said the welding inspectors whc were the most vocal about their concerns were the same ones who wrote the excessive numbers of NCIs. He said in some cases these same welding inspectors would intimidate the craft by making demeaning remarks about their (craft's) work. He said he thought some of these inspectors were excessively abusive with the craft. FEEMSTER said that in 1982, the welding inspectors were told they were writing too many NCIs and R2As were introduced which were e better tool for identifying minor problems initially and they were more e#fective and efficient. He said the R2As could be written and resolved in a day, whereas the NCis had to go to Charlotte for evaluatier. and took longer for

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I am currently employed as a Supervisory Technician / Welding Inspection at Duke Power Company (DPC) Catawba Nuclear Station, Clover, South Carolina. I have been employed by DPC for 13 years, beginning in March 1971. I initially hired on as a welder, a job I held for two years before becoming a welding inspector. I served as a welding inspector for one year and move ' tow welding inspection hc me supervision. I began working for DPC at Oct Cnsidy, a ,c;qsil tvoTuri plant and then moved to the McGuire Nuclear Station which was my first job at a nuclear plant with DPC. I worked at McGuire for approximately three years and moved to Catawba Nuclear Station in August 1976. Prior to working for DPC I was employed by Daniels Construction Company as a welder for one year. I learned to weld in a welding apprenticeship program working for the Newport News Shipbuilding Company. I was in this program for four years. I also attended Clemson University for one year. I have been asked by the NRC, Office of Investigation (01), Investigators to comment on and discuss my knowledge of and involvement in the so called welding inspector concerns that arose in 1981. I have agreed to talk to 01 and provide any information and assistance to them in the conduct of their investigation. I have explained that I have provided all of my concerns and the concerns of some of the welding inspectors that worked for me to DPC's Special Task Force, provided a deposition to DPC Legal Staff and discussed in detail my concerns before the Atomic Safety Licensing Board (ASLB) on November 10 and 11, 1983. It is my understanding that 01 has copies of all of these documents and at this PAGE \ OF {$ PAGES

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c time I do not have any additional information that is not contained in these documents. I am willing to discuss any or all the information that I have prosided in detail to 01 at this time. To provide some background to the whole issue of welding inspector concerns, it must be said that as far back as 1978, welding inspectors and welding inspection supervisors at the Catawba site were not getting the support from the site QA management that I knew we should have been receiving. I had come from the McGuire site and the difference in attitudes and implementation of the 0A program was like the difference between " day and night." When I arrived at Catawba the QA program procedure manual was clean and new looking as though it had had little use. I was not on site long before I realized why. The proce-dures were not routinely followed and adhered to and no one in 0A management seemed to really care or support the QA program es written. At this time Larry DAVISON was the Project QA Manager and Charles BALDWIN was the 0A Technical Supervisor, and unfortunately they were the main reason the QA program was not working as it was designed to operate. Several incidents caused the surfacing of the " welding inspector concerns" to include this feeling that the inspector and the program were not being supported by QA management and in fact the spirit and intent of the QA program was know-ingly and willfully being violated by DAVIS 0N and BALDWIN. During the period 1978, when I started documenting concerns, through 1981 when the concerns were made public, we fought a daily battle with 0A management regarding prescribed ' procedures in the QA program. As time passed, these battles became more confrontational until it seemed that nothing was ever going to change and some of the inspectors developed an attitude of "what good does it do" with regards to identifying deviation in procedures. Additionally, the issue of " inspector worth" was raised and it was decided that the inspectors would not receive the same amount of pay increase as other DPC employees. The previous years they had received increases but someone decided that the OC function performed by the inspectors was not as important as it once was or certainly not worth the money that was being paid. I feel that this issue in conjunction with the lack of support from 0A management in the implementation of the QA program caused the problems that existed to surf ace earlier than they normally would. PAGE 7 0F 8 PAGES

I met with Warren OWEN, a DPC Corporate official in the summer of 1981 in his Charlotte office to discuss the pay issue. During this discussion I related to him the problems we had been experiencing over the years with procedural viola-tions and the total lack of support from site QA management. I told him some real and serious problems existed that needed immediate attention. I explained W-to Mr. 0 WEN that the problems were not new but actually started with Doug -fWfhtN, the former project manager, who felt that QC was a necessary evil that had to be tolerated but not taken seriously. I felt that he set an additional tone for the site with his attitude about QA/QC. I told OWEN everything that i knew about the problems at Catawba and he acted interested and receptive, but when he made inquiries about the problems he must have been influenced by DAVIS 0N because I did not see any quick changes in attitudes or philosophy of the QA management personnel. There was, however, some response because shortly af ter my discussion with OWEN, Gail ADDIS, Corporate Personnel, came to the site and talked to the welding inspectors about problems both past and present. As a result of the ADDIS' inquiry, a DPC Special Task Force was formed to come down to the site and look into the problems. This group made a review of basically hardware problems and concluded that no serious problem existed at Catawba. A short time later a second Task Force was initiated and they wanted any and all concerns written and submitted to them for review. This group looked at all the inspectors concerns, at least technical concerns, and evaluated them and made various recommendations but I did not feel that they really got to the meat of the problem about the suppression of NCis, willful violation of procedures and the general lack of support from site QA management. The Task Force identified approximately 43 procedural violations that had occurred, mostly because of communications breakdown, this was probably less than the actual number had all the violations been reported or documented. I thought placing the blame on poor communications was just window dressing, which disguised the real problem and that was the failure of the QA program to operate as written. l As a result of the confrontation that had occurred over the past few years, it was at this time that I personally felt that I had been harassed, intimidated and to some degree threatened because of my stand on the violation of the procedures. This harassment and intimidation certainly was not limited to me I but other inspectors such as Larry JACKSON, Max REEP, Lindsay HARRIS and John BRYANT were subjected to treatment that I think would violate federal 1 PAGE 3 0F B PAGES 1

F . '! statutes regarding harassment and intimidation of avality control personnel. These people have publicly expressed their concerns and I know that 01 has looked into these areas so I will not go into any detail. The resolution of all of these incidents were typical of the attitude of management at that time toward QC people. They felt that these incidents were typical of the problems that existed on construction sites and the QC inspectors should learn to accept it. The QA management people, primarily DAVISON and BALDWIN, would always try to make the inspectors feel that they were part of the problem and this became a deterrent for the QC people to report such activities. I feel that I can truthfglgsg that when an issue arose between craf t and QC the issue would invaribly be resolved in favor of the craft. I think that QA management routinely ignored harassment and intimidation of QC personnel by construction people. This became a way of life for the inspectors. When inquiries would be made, QA management would only do what was necessary and they would try and balance everything up so no action would be taken against the construction personnel, however, he learned at the hearings that more in-depth inquiries had been conducted, than he initially thought, but blame was still placed on the inspectors. Historically, construction attitude towards QC was that we were required but they were going to make it hard on us. 0A management constantly tried to divert attention away from the real problems. Instead of recognizing and confronting the problem with the 0A program they would side step the issues. There were two i standards on the site, one strict one for QC people and one lenient one for construction. QA management did not in the past and to some degree today does not recognize the problems for what they are - attitude problems with construc-l tion. They have never tried to change therr and it does not appear they ever will. Construction influence was veggegent on the site. I am not naive enough to believe that production is"the name of the game, however production and quality have to go hand in hand for either to be successful. I personally feel after reading and studying 10 CFR Part 50, Appendix B, that DAVISON and BALDWIN willfully violated and deviated from the written procedures. I am not sure that either DAVIS 0N or BALDWIN knew the procedures as well as I did but I have on many occasions showed them the aglicable procedures to them as well as craft only to have the truth fall on " deed ears." They would waffle l PAGE 4 0F 8 PAGES

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on what a procedure "really" meant. They basically, simply ignored the proce-dures. This was done on many occasions by verbally voiding a NC1 or by physically throwing a NCI in the trash. I am sure that I was a pain in the butt to both of these men and I know I was not liked but merely tolerated, probably because they knew I was right. DAVIS 0N once said "A lot of people are fired for not supporting management decisions" and "If I could not trust him maybe I should look for another job." BALDWIN said "that if we don't do it (our jobs) the way they (QA management) want it they will get someone else to do this job." To me, all of these comments were threats and the inference was that I had better change my attitude to conform with them. I never did that even though I followed orders, regardless of whether I agreed with them or not. We had process controls that would allow deviations from prescribed procedures, but DAVIS 0N nor BALDWIN would want to either take the time or be responsible for authorizing the deviations. I think that people in Duke's corporate structure knew there were problems in the QA program at Catawba but instead of recognizing and facing the problems they used a smoke screen by trying to show the inspectors as being malcontent and blaming the problems on poor communication. I personally felt that QA management attitudes were intimidating to the point of not feeling free to express myself in problem situations. It got to the point that I would try to avoid confronting DAVIS 0N and BALDWIN because I knew it was useless and I would not get their support. I was never physically harassed ~or intimidated by anyone, but there was a lot of emotional and mental intimidation and harassment. Some of the problems we encountered early on in the construction could have been avoided had QC not been under construction. We were organizationally under construction until 1981 at which time we were placed under the QA organization. Things started functioning a little better at that time. PAGE S OF 6 PAGES

From the beginning, Procedure Q1 required that af ter an inspector identified a problem he got a serial number before bringing the NCI to ~ his supervisor. This procedure was not adhered to by DAVISON and BALDWIN. They wanted the NCI to come to them first and they could screen them and avoid what they considered unnecessary NCis. This procedure was changed a couple of times but it was still the source of many of the problems. I am sure that QA management attitude towards NCis affected the welding inspectors attitude toward identifying and documenting problems. This attitude had a negative affect on all the inspectors. I am not however, aware of any construction deficiencies that should have been written up that were not, but I know the welding inspectors were less aggressive in identifying problems. I personally do not feel this lack of support, intimidation and harassment or the willful violation of procedures is limited to welding inspections. I have had other inspectors from other disciplines express similar comments about their experiences with QA management. It seems that most of the complaints came from civil inspectors. I am not sure why this has not been followed up more during these inquiries. Probably because people in other disciplines do not want to 90 through the same thing that the weldina insoector have had to endure. There were two civil inspectors, who said they had similar problems. I do not know whether they would want to talk tc the NRC or not. They might fear for their jobs if they talk. I have been asked to conment on allegations made by Harry LANGLEY, former welding inspector that students were provided with answers to QC examinations, I can only say that I did not provide anyone with assistance nor am I aware of anyone who might have given assistance to any of the students. As I recall the OC welding inspector class lasted five or six weeks. They spent half the day in class and half the day in the field with a trained inspector. The class had LANGLEY, Charles CRISP, Pete SHERIFF and Ronny KIRBY and a few mechanical inspectors who attended some of the classes. The class was divided into three parts, general, specific and practical. The students were given daily quizzes which were returned each day to be used as study guides. These quizzes were used to test what was being taught and what was being learned. There was a final exam given at the end of each phase. The final general subject phase was PAGE ($ OF f3 PAGES

r-  ? 4 a closed book exam, the final specific sub,iect phase was a closed book exam but the final practical was an open book exam. I have heard these allegations but to the best of my knowledge there was not any cheating in the class. I certainly did not provide students with answers inside their test nor am I aware of anyone who might have given the students assistance. I do not feel that there is any substance to the allegations. In conclusion, I feel that all of my concerns, which were more than concerns of the men working for me have been surfaced and addressed. Some of them not necessarily to my satisfaction. I feel that even now real problems are not always addressed as they should be. It seems that in the past and to a lesser degree that any time a problem arose it was because of the inspectors. DPC wanted to reduce a concern or problem to just a minor problem or difference between two or more employees. They never seem to want to see the root cause for an incident. I think this lack of support from QA management over a period of time eventually led to morale problems that are still present. Even though the problems existed we managed to survive and I think that I can truthfully say that had the welding inspectors not been persistent, potential safety hazards could have existed. So many of the problems could have been resolved so easily had management made the decision to identify, recognize, document and correct the problems as they arose. As I have said before I am not aware of any construction deficiencies at Catawba nor am I aware of anything that would adversely affect the safe operation of the plant. I feel the plant is built safely because of our efforts and persistence to ensure that ouality was part of construction. I have discussed to my satisfaction all of my concerns with the NRC 01 investi-gators. At this time I have no additional information to add to this statem nt. psb M l PAGE 7 0F D PAGES i

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DATE/T EEi 4 flov 83 1000 I, Billie Pirner Garde, do hereby make the following voluntary statement to E.L. Williamson and J.R. Sinclair who have identified themselves to me as Investigators with the United States Nuclear Regulatory Connission. I do hereby nake this voluntary statenent without any threats having been made against me or any promises extended to me. I an currently the Director at the Citizens Clinic, for the Government Account-ability Project (GAP) with the Institute of Policy Studies, located at 1901 Q Q)- St. fl.W. Washington, D.C. I have been on the GAP staff for approximately 3 years. Prior to joining the GAP staff I worked with the White House Conference on Aging and also Crine Policy Studies, for approximately 1h years. Before that job I worked with the U.S. Census Bureau for 6 months. t have also worked 2 years

  ,p      as a high school teacher in Oklahona. I have a B. A. de' gree in Social Sciences 3     and two itasters Degrees in Junior College Education and Political Science, all fron Northeastern State University in Tahleguah, Oklahona. I have nost recently completed one half senester at Antioch Law School in Washington, D.C. I also
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o, served 4 years in the U.S. Air Force. On 27 October 1983 I went to the fluclear Regulatory Connission's (NRC) Office of Investigation (01) Headquarters in Bethesda, liaryland, to discuss what I consider to be serious concerns at Duke Power Company's (DPC) Catawba fluclear Plant, located near Rock Hill, South Carolina. I wanted to make sure that 01:HQ knew the facts and circunstances surrounding an investigation that GAP had been conducting at the Catawba site. The information that I provided first became known to GAP in the Spring of 1983 by way of the Palmetto Alliance a citizens group opposed to the use of nuclear energy, based in Columbia, South Carolina. I related to 01:HQ the substance of a petition I subnitted to the Connission on Septenber 14, 1983, requesting an investigation into the activities at Duke Power Conpany as a result of the cuncerns raised by a group of Quality Control Welding Inspectors at the Catawba site. Because I repeated the infomation, 2 ByhN ir, o,1 95 su

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O originally brought to the attention of 01 on October 27, 1983, during an inter-view with investigators Willianson and Sinclair on November 3,1983 I do not feel a need to include all of the specific details in this statenent. In addition, all of the infomation which I have received has been provided to the Connission in a 2.206 petition and other correspondence. Specifically, this petition includes details of. events and circunstances surrounding the concerns raised by QC inspectors which I believe affects the future health and safety of the public in and around Charlotte, North Carolina. This request was based on extensive document reviews and personal interviews with the QC welding inspectors at the Catawba site. .

           !!r. Willianson has requested that I provide a sworn statement highlighting the concerns that have been brought to my attention in the past few months concerning g     the Catawba site. Through ny research and docunent reviews, obtained through c        an F0IA request (83-200) and information nade available through the discovery process by the Palnetto Alliance there is overwhelming evidence that QC welding inspectors have been exposed to harassment and intimidations by Larry Davidson, the Quality Assurance Site llanager at Catawba. This has included but is not Q         limited to the suppression of nonconfoming condition itens (NCI's); the refusal to assign control numbers on NCI's for evaluations and other acts that
  ')       have impeded the proper implementation of the total Quality Assurance progran.
 ,h       These problems were brought to Duke Power Company's attention in 1979-1980 and have not been satisfactorily resolved even though they have been addressed i

by two Duke Power Company Special Task Forces and by a nanagement consultant tean. Duke Power Company has been allowed by the NRC to review these problems ! without proper oversight or follow-up by the NRC. Additionally there has been a total lack of QA/QC indpendence at the Catawba site during the construction of the plant. The QA/QC functions were part of the construction and engineering organizations and lacked the proper inde-pendence that was necessary for then to do the job a QA/QC organization is

designed to do. Desoite a board order in 1974 to separate the QA organization from the construction and engineering organization, the QA organization has answered to the construction and engineering organization on paper until 1981.

It has only been since 1982 that the QA organization was separated fron con-struction and engineering. This board order ALAB 128 or 142 is in the ficGuire h \\ N

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    .           .                                                                                 I Nuclear Plant docket. The reason for this, as I understand it, is that the order pertained to Dukes' QA operations as it related to all of their nuclear projects (McGuire, Oconee, Catawba).

The QA plan at Catawba was not implemented the way NRC approved the plan. There was an approved " topical" QA plan and procedures on-site for each craft area which initially gave QA authority to make decisions independently but this procedure was never implemented. In reality, from the beginning of construction QC inspectors had to go up the chain af comand to get approval to write a "Q1A" or NCI. This approval was seldon given and the QC inspectors were constantly subjected to intimidation and harassment from the QA site canager, thus negating

          ' the purpose of the QA organization and the efficiency of the QC inspectors.

J As a re'Eult of a SALP evaluation, a project review conducted by NRC, which rated ( the QA/QC program " poor" because of too nany NCI's the Site QA manager directed

     .I       a reduction in NCI's.

There was also some confusion over how the QC welding inspectors concerns were misunderstood. The task force blaned the problems on poor comunications. Duke Power Company has tried to limit and restrict the problems first raised

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by the QC welding inspectors to just the area of welding focusing attention only on welding concerns. I feel that this area needs to be expanded. If investigative efforts are restricted to only welding concerns already identified, other concerns raised by the QC welding inspectors will have been missed. All of the concerns that I have briefly highlighted are a matter of public record. They are presented in detail in my petition to the Commission with additional supporting documentation including the specific concerns, notes, diaries and nanes of the affected QC inspectors as well as other Duke Power Company supervisory personnel who have first hand knowledge of these concerns. Infomation obtained through the F0IA request 83-200 and additional infomation that I am sure OI has access to will provide amplification and clarification on the subject. These concerns are not new, both the NRC and Duke Power Company have been aware of these concerns and problems for over 3 years. If these documents are reviewed it will becone obvious to the reader the nagnitude of the problens at Catawba that nust be addressed by the NRC. These are not my concerns but those voiced by Duke Power Company employees.

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STATEMENT PLACE: GASTONIA, NC DATE/ TIME: /yprn 8v' I, Richard A. JONES, do hereby make the following voluntary statement to E. L. Williamson, who has identified himself to me as an Investigator with the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission. I do hereby make this voluntary statement without any threats having been made against me or any promises

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1 I am currently employed as a Quality Control (QC) Welding Inspector by Duke Power Company (DPC) at the Catawba Nuclear Station, located in Clover, South Carolina. I have been employed by DPC at Catawba for approximately seven years. N I was initially hired on at Catawba as a welder but after approximately one and L a half years I became a welding inspector. Prior to working for DPC at Catawba, I worked for DPC at McGuire Nuclear Station as a welder. I have also worked for Seco Corporation out of Chicago, IL as a welder and did subcontract work for a railroad. I served three years in the U.S. Army o e 7( I have been asked by the NRC investigators to comment on and discuss the so called " welding inspector concerns" that surfaced at the site in late 1981. I would like to say that the expression of my one concern and in my opinion the concernsraisedbyeveryoneelsecouldhavg robably would have bee if DPC had not cut our pay. Probably Mt of the concerns raised would have been raised if the pay issue had been handled differently. When I was told to submit any concern that I had to the Special Task Force that was being formed, I wrote as. PAGE I 0F b ^

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up one concern about a joint that had ntt been cleaned by the welder prior to welding the joint. Procedure L-300, paragraph 5.2.2 requires that all surfaces up to 1/2 inch of either side of the joint shall be free from any possible contaminants. I wrote an NCI on the incident and took it to Charles BALDWIN, QA Technical Supervisor. BALDWIN questioned me as to the importance of the NCI and I told him it was in violation of the existing procedure. He told me to I disregard the QlA and iretruct the craft to clean the paint ba , from the joint eu as required by the process specification. This was cet on' safety related To the best of my knowledge it was Sdel on .Cle;; pelded equipment. pipe, but it he'je< is an ' example of the lack of support I had from QA management.

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When I was told to submit my concerrs, I did so not because I had a technical

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problem that was bothering me or a safety issue that was mishandled but because Iwasupsetatoukmanagementoverthepayissue. One year we were given a sG/ot$ raise and the next year our pay is rut. -Ati- 6'f the welding inspectors were mad because we felt we had been mistreated by management. During the employee recourse procedure our management did not stand behind us and I don not think we had the support from anyone in DPC. We felt betrayed because we had done a good job for uke a d this was how they repaid us. J <D. aY u d % &J

       &'                    W                      &^J- 'W w         ~ws M aav               M                        wQ With the exception of the above mentioned welding incident I never did have any problems getting NCis accepted.       I do not recall ever being discouraged from writing an NCI. There was a time when QA management, Larry DAVISON, Project QA Manager told us we were writing too many NCis and not to write so many NCis.        He said that we should try and work with craft on issues that could be resolved on the spot. I did not have any problem with that but some of the other inspectors probably were offended because a handful of the inspectors were " nit-picky" with their inspections. They were not over-inspecting but they were not using a whole lot of common sense in their inspections.       The people seemed to want to PAGE 1 0F 6

work against craft rather than with them. For this reason there were some problems between the inspectors and their supervision. However, since the Task Force investigation communication have improved measurably as well as general working conditions and environment. I have never been harassed, intimidated or threatened by anyone while working at Catawba. I have heard that inspectors Larry JACKSON and Max REEP were harassed but this is second hand information. As I mentioned before other than the problem with BALDWIN on the cleanliness issue I have had no other concerns. Sometime after we were told not to write so many NCIs we starting having R2As which were document used to cut down on NCis. I personally feel that R2As are 9 a better tool for identifying problems. They require fas!ter resolution and a quality inspector should be able to determine if a weld .should be NCI'd or R2A'd. The inspectors are paid to make decisions and entare that quality is adhered to by everyone. I have been satisfied with the resolutions to the NCis I have written. I have never had any problems with any of the QA management personnel. I have had discussions with Larry DAVISON about NCIs I have written but he was cues-tioning the reason for writing it and assisting in making the NCI say what I wanted it s s I said before I do not think our management, Larry DAVISON W supportlus 1 ke he should have and I think this feeling is wide spread among the welding inspectors. I am not aware of a breakdown in the QA program at Catawba. I feel that the plant is safely built because the inspectors cared enough to make sure the quality was built in. Duke does good work. I am not aware of any defective

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welds in the plant nor am I aware of anything that would adversely affect the safe operation of Catawba. 1 With regard to the allegation made by Harry LANGLEY about cheating on the welding inspection examinations, all I can say is that no one in my class had any answers and I certainly was not provided any assistance. I guess that I an still to some degree concerned about the " shake and bake" inspectors that do not have the practical welding experience many of us have and I do not_ thing they are really qualified to do visual inspection (VI). I guess what I an saying is that this whole issue could have been avoided if management

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I have discussed everything I wish to comment on with the 01 investigators. Additionally, I have discussed all of my concerns with DPC at one time or another and provided a deposition to the DPC legal staff. I have no additional information to add to this statement. PAGE(I 0F di~

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1 have read the foregoing statement consisting of D typed pages. I have made and initialed any necessary corrections and have signed my name in ink in the margin of each page. I swear that the foregoing statement is true and correct. Signed n Er&1 <11re 15. /Q Mat 4 'us # J'

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DATE/ TIME: /c'v0D /4/. JtM-[4[ I, Tom BUMGARDNER, do hereby made the following voluntary statement to E. L. Williamson who has identified himself to me as an investigator with the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission. I do hereby make this voluntary statement without any threats having been made against me or any promises extended to me. I am currently employed as a Quality Control (QC) Welding Inspector for the Duke Power Company (DPC) at Catawba Nuclear Station, Clover, South Carolina. I have been employed by Duke for approximately seven years. I was initially hired as a welder in February 1977 and after a year and a half in that position I was trained as a welding inspector. I have served as a QC welding inspector for over five years. Prior to working for DPC, I was employed by Lithium Corporation as a welder _ for six and a half years. I also attended Gaston i College for one year.

                                                                                          @s 7C g      I have been asked by 01 to comment on and discuss the concerns I expressed in January 1982 to the Special Task Force that had been formed by DPC to address various concerns raised by different welding inspectors. I, like everyone else, k        was upset that the welding inspectors pay had been cut, not actually cut but we were not receiving the same amount of increase as the craft.               I wrote my concerns because I felt that problems I was identifying were not being properly or adequately addressed. I worked in the pipe fabrication shop for three years (1979-1981), and I spent a lot of my time working on material traceability problems. I worked with welders and other craft trying to match heat numbers with isometric drawings and piping release material log (PRML). I often got i          frustrated when I would have a problem matching materials with paperwork and I l

would write a nonconforming condition item (NCI). Usually the resolution would l be returned to me within the hour with the same resolution each time "use as i is," or " acceptable as is." I was never told by anyone nor was it explained to l me why and how the resolutions were being arrived at. I found it somewhat i embarrassing to NCI a fit up and a short time later to be constantly told to use as is. I complained to my supervisor Beau ROSS and he said that he understood cn PAGE !0F PAGES 5

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1 my concerns and added that "it would catch up with them." By this he meant that if NCIs were not being properly addressed it would show up at a later date. I never understood why these resolutions were 50 fast and 1 did not feel satisfied with the way they were being handled by QA technical support. I kept writing the NCIs and accepting the resolution until I talked to members of the Task Force. It was explained to me at that time that the NCis I had submitted to the Task Force had been addressed and resolved. It was explained to me that my concerns about heat numbers could and were being traced back through the appropriate documentation to the appropriate mill certification. ' None of my concerns involved safety issues but were more procedural in nature. I expressed all of my concerns to the task force and they were discussed with me in detail. I was satisfied with the explanations provided by the task Force. J I feel that my concerns were a result of poor communication that could have been t avoided if QA management would have taken the time to explain how they resolved

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I have never had any problems with getting NCIs accepted by my supervisor or management. I was never discouraged by anyone from writing NCIs. On one occasion I do remember talking to Larry DAVISON about recurring problems and writing NCis on each of these problems. DAVIS 0N told me that if I had a recurring problem with an individual or an issue to come to him and let him know about it. It was my understanding that he did not want me to keep writing the same NCI over and over again, even though he did not say that. I have not wri11en unnecessary NCis, even thcugh [ome of the other inspectors 44R) are T

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rJr TT relatec Rat approvir:ately nir e renths aco .'unt-July 1903, he war inspecting a weld or er I-bear in the reactv buildinc (elevation ECF' IPE') when he noticed a crack (linear indication) that ran about two feet from a weld toward the end of the 1-beam. He said be wrote ar. F1 A on thE crack and the resolution was tc grind out the weld and the crack and fill it in. He said he did not feel this was an acceptable resolution since it was not determined how f ar the crack went behind the base plate or how extensive the crack was. The initial R2A number was W205 and it was upgraded to an NCI Number 16672. GANTT also related that he was concerned about some burn-through on instrumentation piping, Class B, that he was inspecting. He said he wrote an R2A, but he was told that according to ASME Section III, sub-section NC, Class B burn-through by a vendor is not addressed by ASME. GANTT stated that he wrote three R2As Numbered W370, W372 and W373. He said he felt that if the code was applicable to the licensee it should be applicable to the vendor. GANTT stated that he has never been harassed, intimidated or threatened while working for DPC. He said he has heard other inspectors talk about harassment but he had no first hand information on the subject. GANTT said that on occasions he felt that 0A was influenced by Construc-tion. He said that welding inspectors would be placed on the defensive because of conflicts in statements made to QA supervision by craft and their supervision. He said this is typical on a construction site but he never thought anyone was influenced to the detriment of safe operation. He said he felt the welding inspectors do a good job and are a conscientious group of employees. GANTT said he was aware of the allegations raised by Harry LANGLEY, but added he was not working at Catawba during that time frame. He said that he went to welding inspector schoci at Cherokee, and was not aware of anyone cheating there nor had he beard of such activity at Catawba. He said he heard that LANGLEY was disgruntled because he was fired but he could not provide any first hand information on this issue. GANTT related that a continual problem that caused conflict between the inspectors and the OA management was the fact that inspectors were expected l to inspect to procedures, but on occasions these procedures were overridden by 0A management who would decide that issues were acceptable by the l various codes. They were expected to inspect according to procedures I except when it was not convenient to management. If management decided for ! whatever reason that the issue was acceptable according to the code, which l was less demanding, then they would usually opt for the code requirement. GANTT commented on allegations made by Sam NUNN about the practice of recertifying welders every 90 days. He said welding inspectors certified the welders by either watching them run a bead or if they had recently seen l them in the field welding. He said supervisors who did not normally weld l were able to stay certified even though he was suspect of their actual welding skills.

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G t. ' - concluder' ty stating t4 p.s not ev t re of any cerM uctier ceficitrcies nor was he aware c' anything that would adversely aff ect the safe operction of the Plant. He said he did his job as did the other welding inspectors and te personally feels tbc plant is sa'ely built. GANTT did not provide any additional information pertinent to this investigation. GANTT indicated that he did not feel that a written statement was necessary and he trusted the infonnation he provided would be truthfully revealed in a results of interview. END OF RESULTS OF INTERVIEW WITH SCOTT GANTT ON MARCH 21, 1984 Wde=S - E. L. Williamson, Investigator l l l i l l

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                                                                                              .C , 27/3i DATE/ TIME: e5.'o s ,o m       /+BY I, Vernon GODFRY, Jr., do hereby make the following voluntary statement to E. L.

Williamson and J. Y. Vorse, who have identified themselves to me as Investi-gators with the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission. I do hereby make this voluntary statement without any threats having been made against me or any promises 7xtended to me. I an currently working with Mechanical Maintenance in the Nuclear Production Department at Duke Power Company's (DPC) Catawba Nuclear Station, Clover, South 9 - N Carolina. I have been employed by DPC for eight years at the Catawba site. I initially was hired as a utility man and after six or seven months, I went into training to become a welder. I served as a welder for approximately three years. After welding I was trained to be a Quality Control (OC) welding inspector, a position I held for three years. In January 1982, I was offered an opportunity to return to welding, which I did until July 1983 when I transferred to Mechanical Maintenance. Prior tyorking for DPC, I was employed by Spring Mills for approximately two years. h 6 4 '7C I have been asked by NRC, Office of Investigations (01) Investigators to comment on and discuss the so called " welding inspectors" concerns that arose in 1981. I have agreed to talk to them even though I have provided my concerns to DPC's Special Task Force, provided a deposition to DPC Legal Staff and discussed in detail my concerns before the Atomic Safety Licensing Board (ASLB) on PAGE / OF .5 PAGES T-y

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November 28, 1983. It is my understanding that 01 has copies of all of these documents and I do not have any new information that is not contained in these documents. I The welding inspector concerns came to the surface in late 1981 and early 1982 in conjunction with an ongoing problem regarding a pay issue. Various inspectors made complaints to site management about problems they had experienced and apparently about other problems they had learned about from co-workers. As a result of these concerns, all of the welding inspectors were asked to write up any and all concerns they had and submit them to their

   ,       supervisor, who in my case was " Beau" ROSS.        I wrote up my concerns and several months later I was talked to by the Special Task Force, which Duke Power formed to address all of these concerns.          The Task Force addressed my concerns and I gow @

That was NCl40;5, which was satisfied with the resolutions on all but one.

 *g         dealt with three different heat numbers being on a piece of Class B pipe used in M          a Class E system. I felt that this Class B piping could theoretically be used h          in a Class B system. The resolution said to use "as is."         If for some reason it was cut out, it could be reused on a Class B system and with the three different heat numbers there was a traceability problem.          Additionally, I was concerned because at one point Larry DAVISON, the Site QA Manager, told me that the resolution of 9085 was of no concern to me, which offended me because I felt that as a QC inspector it was my job to identify procedural and potential safety problems.

This kind of attitude at that time, 1979-1981' time frame, was not unusual. I can recall on several occasions writing NCis on various problems, I do not recall the NCI number on the specific problem, and after getting my supervisor's PAGE 2 0F 8 PAGES

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approval, going to Charles BALOWIN, the QA Technical Supervisor or Larry DAVIS 0N and if they did not agree with me they.would throw the NCI in the trash. They , would just say the matter was not an issue to be written up and sometimes they would not even explain why the NCI was not acceptable. These were usually minor procedural violations, but it was part of our jobs to identify and report violations. I would like to add that had these problems been safety related I would not have accepted their actions and gone over their heads to bring the issue to light. The procedure at the time allowed for us to get a number on the NCI or let our supervisor log the NCI in. Whether the number was assigned to an NCI by the inspector was a matter of convenience by the inspector. By that I mean where he was physically located with respect to where the NCI log were kept. I personally considered this kind of activity a lack of support from site management. I had at feast one experience with harassment and intimidation. A craftsman, Q Lewis LOWERY, cussed at me when I failed some of his work. We " squared off," N' kind of face to face but nothing happened. I reported the incident to ROSS, my supervisor, and he said he would take it up the chain but I never heard anymore about it. I felt harassed and intimidated but it did not keep me from doing my job. I inspected LOWERY's work on many occasions after that and never had any problems. I feel that some inspectors went too much by the book. They went strictly by the DPC procedures and probably wrote too many NCis. I tried to use the common sense approach. If a problem could be corrected on the spot without violating procedures, I would help the craf t by pointing out the problem, recommending corrective action and reinspecting. However, if someone was not competent and I had recurring problems with him I would write them up and tell their supervisor. PAGE d 0F d PAGES

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i I heard rumors and I guess I sensed it to some degree, that there was a certain amount of " construction influence" on the job. Sometimes construction supervisors would tell QA management, BALOWIN and DAVISON, that the welding inspectors were holding them up and the inspectors were told to " slack off" on ' inspections. I was never told to hold back on inspections but there were rumors this went on. I have no first hand information on this subject.  ; With regard to the safety of the plant, I am not aware of any construction deficiencies nor am I aware of anything that would adversely affect the safe operation of the Catawba Plant. I feel the plant is safely built because of the

 ,     conscientious efforts of the welding inspectors.            I do feel that at one time there was a breakdown in the QA program because of communication problems, but h     this breakdown did not affect the quality of construction or in pection.

I have heard about the Harry LANGLEY allegations that inspectors were provided questions and answers to a OC examination prior to taking it. I know that I was not provided any assistance nor am I aware of anyone who was. My class was in 1979 and it lasted for six weeks. As I recall we had daily quizzes which we got a a.aa e -y,[g,p,7%./ , h back to use. as study guides our finals written and practical ;were open pv% cm or/r/ c ^ ne ray ny, g<< ~ s*(.4 ci .,4,,a ,gs, ,,.. -f ,. e y u . ,ap ,7:4. b^9 tes ty-wtrerein we hed to u;c- prc:cdur n. I do not feel there is any substance to LANGLEY's allegations. % ar M ' 'N "'" 9 '~ ""'"# A . / yd ya.<rd e a / u 7'/' rr M \ I have also been asked to comment on the DPC procedure for recertifying welders. In my opinion, this is a pretty loose procedure. Welders are to be recertified every 90 days and this is accomplished by either having people go to the welding shop and "run a bead" or if an inspector has seen a man welding in the field recently he can certify him. This allows supervisors to keep their welding certification up to date even though they do not have to maintain their skills. PAGE [ OF I PAGES -

In closing, as I mentioned earlier, everything I have to say has been covered in previous testimony. If I did not think the plant was safely constructed I would not be working for DPC nor would I be living in this area. I have discussed to my satisfaction with 01, NRC investigators everything I wish to discuss or comment on. I have read the foregoing statement consisting of A e (5 ) typed pages. i have made and initialed any necessary corrections and have signed my name in ink in the margin of each page. I (ear that the foregoing statement is true and correct. Signed on [pf. Y- /93 at 6 2 5 om . I i SIGNATURE: 1 (! Mrz((zi # h . %& NAME [" e Subscribed and sworn to before me this Y day of [p.'/ , 1984 at Lag K t' . INVESU GATOR: a, /- N m Ness: 8dssLi . NAME/ TITLE PAGE 8 0F [ PAGES

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