ML20126C484

Forwards Transcript of 850519 Public Meeting Re Emergency Plan & 850517-18 Emergency Preparedness Exercise.Related Correspondence

ML20126C484
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Site:	Harris
Issue date:	06/11/1985
From:	Hollar D CAROLINA POWER & LIGHT CO.
To:	Bright G, Carpenter J, Kelley J Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel
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REWED CORRESPONDENCE' Carolina Power & Light Company  ;

POST OECE box 1551 00LKETED Raleigh, North Carolina 27602 USNRC LEGAL DEPARTMENT

' writer s Direct Dial Number (919)836 8161 '85 SH 13 All:02 June 11,1985 i

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l I James L. Kelley, Esquire Mr. Glenn O. Bright Chairman Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Atomic Safety and Licensing Board U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission L U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555 Washington, D.C. 20555 Dr. James H. Carpenter Atomic Safety and Licensing Board U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555 In the Matter of Carolina Power & Light Company and North t'

Carolina Eastern Municipal Power Agency (Shearon Harris Nuclear Power Plant)

Docket No. 50-400 OL Administrative Judges Kelley, Bright and Carpenter:

l Enclosed, for the information of the Board and the parties, is a copy of the transcript of the May 19, 1985 public meeting concerning the emergency plans for the Shearon Harris Nuclear Power Plant and the emergency preparedness exercise conducted '

on May 17 and 18,1985.

Respectfully submitted, b.

! Dale E. Hollar '

DEH:ew Associate General Counsel '

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g i-SERVICE LIST James L. Kelley, Esquire M. Travis Payne, Esquire

- Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Edelstein and Payne U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Post Office Box 12643 Washington, D. C. 20555 Raleigh, North Carolina 27605 Mr. Glenn O. Bright Dr. Richard D. Wilson

' Atomic Safety and Licensing Board 729 Hunter Street U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Apex, North Carolina 27502 Washington, D. C. 20555 Mr. Wells Eddleman Dr. James H. Carpenter 718-A Iredell Street

-~ Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Durham, North Carolina 27705 U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D. C. 20555 Thomas A. Baxter, Esquire Delissa A. Ridgway, Esquire Charles A. Barth, Esquire -

Shaw, Pittman, Potts & Trowbridge Myron Karman, Esquire 1800 M Street, NW Office of Executive Legal Director Washington, D.C. 20036

- U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission-Washington, D. C. 20555 'Bradley W. Jones, Esquire U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Docketing and Service Section Region II Office of the Secretary 101 Marietta Street U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Atlanta, Georgia 30303 Washington, D. C. 20555 Robert P. Gruber

~ Mr. Daniel F. Read, President Executive Director

' Chapel Hill Anti-Nuclear- Public Staff Group Effort North Carolina Utilities Commission Post Office Box 2151 Post Office Box 991

-Raleigh,' North Carolina 27602 Raleigh, North Carolina 27602 Dr. Linda Little Mr. Spence W. Perry Governor's Waste Management Board Federal Emergency Management Agency 513 Albemarle Building 500 C Street, S.W.

325 Salisbury Street Room 840 Raleigh, North Carolina 27611 _ Washington, D. C. 20740 John D. Runkle, Esquire Conservation Council of North Carolina Steven Rochlis 307 Granville Road .

FederalEmergency Management Agency-

' Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27515 1371 Peachtree Street, N.E.

Atlanta, Georgia 30309

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,- 9 C 1 PAGE 2 2 MR. MYERS: I AM JOE MYERS, THE DIRECTOR 3 OF THE NORTH CAROLINA DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT; 41 AND I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY HERE TODAY TO THE 5 PUBLIC MEETING ON EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS TO SUPPORT 6 CPSL'S SHEARON HARRIS NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. DURING 7 THE.PUBLIC MEETING, WE WILL DISCUSS THE STATE AND COUNTY 8 PLAN AND FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLANS; AND WE 9 WILL HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THESE AGENCIES TO PRESENT 10 THESE PLANS TO YOU TODAY.

11 NOW, AFTER THIS MEETING, WE WILL CONDUCT 12 A PUBLIC CRITIQUE ON THE EXERCISE CONDUCTED MAY 17 13 AND 18 TO TEST THESE PLANS. REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE 14 ABOVE MENTIONED AGENCIES THAT I JUST---THE ABOVE MENTIONEE '

15 AGENCIES, ALONG WITH THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION, 16 WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH COMMENTS ON THE EXERCISE.

- 17 WITH ME TODAY IS MR. WILLIS FROM THE SHEARON

'I HARRIS NUCLEAR PLANT; MR. JOHN HERD FROM THE FEDERAL l 18

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19 EMERGENCY, MANAGEMENT AGENCY; MR. VANCE KEY FROM THE j 20 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, NORTH CAROLINA; MR. J. T.

21 KIRKMAN FROM LEE COUNTY; MARK SCOTT, CHATHAM COUNTY.

s j 22 BEHIND ME IS MR. RUSSELL CAPPS FROM WAKE COUNTY; MR.

23 DAYNE BROWN FROM THE RADIATION AND PROTECTION BRANCH OF 24 NORTH CAROLINA; MR. JAMES SELF, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR 25 OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT; AND MR. HENRY JOHNSON FROM

, _v 6c 1 PAGE 3 2 HARNETT COUNTY. THESE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE 3 ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE SOME. SOME 4 OF THE PROCEDURES THAT WILL BE USED DURING THIS 5 PUBLIC MEETING---EACH OF YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN A 6 CARD TO WRITE DOWN QUESTIONS, WHICH WE WILL LATER 7 AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC MEETING ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

8 'IF YOU DO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL' QUESTIONS DURING THE 9 PUBLIC MEETING AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CARD, JUST RAISE

-10 YOUR HAND AND SOMEONE WILL BRING YOU A CARD. NOW, 11 WE WILL NOT BE TAKING QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC 12 CRITIQUE WHICH WILL FOLLOW THIS PUBLIC MEETING.

13 SO, AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND 14 START WITH THE PUBLIC MEETING PRESENTATIONS ON THE 15 PLAN. AND ON THE NORTH CAROLINA EMERGENCY RESPONSE 16 PLAN WILL BE MR. VANCE KEY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DIVISION 17 OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, EMERGENCY RESPONSE SECTION.

l 18 MR. KEY: IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES, I HOPE 19 TO EXPLAIN THE BASIC DIVISIONS OF OUR NORTH CAROLINA j 20 PLAN TO HANDLE POTENTIAL EMERGENCIES OFF SITE FROM 21 THE SHEARON HARRIS PLANT.

's f . 22 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF KEY POINTS THAT WE'RE

l 23 GOING TO DISCUSS IN THIS VERY BRIEF TIME. FIRST 24 AND FOREMOST, WE'RE GOING TO EXPLAIN THE RESPONSIBILITIES 25 OF THE VARIOUS~ LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, AND INCLUDING s

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( 1 PAGE 4 2 CP&L; THE GUIDANCE ON WHICH THE PLANS ARE BASED; 3 THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF THE PLAN; THE DIRECTION AND 4 THE CONTROL OF THE EMERGENCY OPERATION; THE BASIC 5 GEOGRAPHICAL' ZONES ON WHICH THE PLAN IS BASED; THE 6 VARIOUS EMERGENCY ACTION LEVELS; THE INITIAL RESPONSE 7 OF STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO A NUCLEAR EMERGENCY; 8 HOW THE POPULATION IN A THREATENED AREA WILL BE WARNED g AND PROVIDED WITH EMERGENCY INSTRUCTIONS; THE PROTECTIVE 10 ACTION THAT MIGHT BE TAKEN; AND A LITTLE ABOUT RECOVERY 11 FOLLOWING A POTENTIAL ACCIDENT IN THE NUCLEAR PLANT.

12 THESE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE SHARED JOINTLY

_ 13 BY STATE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND CPSL. IT IS A MUTUAL 34 SUPPORTIVE RESPONSE IN PLANNING; AND IN GENERAL TERMS, 15 THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 16 THE OFF-SITE EMERGENCY PLANNING AND RESPONSE. IN

.- 17 SOME INSTANCES, WE HAVE SELECTED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS '

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[ 18 TO RESPOND ON THE PLAN IN CERTAIN ITEMS. LOCAL GOVERN-19 MENT PLANS AND RESPONSE PROCEDURES ARE PARTICULARLY j 20 IMPORTANT FOR THOSE AREAS CLOSE TO THE NUCLEAR PLANT.

21 AS EXPLAINED EARLIER, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ESTABLISHES i

j 22 REGULATORY STANDARDS AND PROVIDES TRAINING AND RESPONSE 23 ASSISTANCE. THE NUCLEAR PLANT HAS THE PRIMARY RESPON-24 SIBILITY FOR PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTING EMERGENCY 25 MEASURES WITHIN THEIR BOUNDARIES. THE PLANT IS ALSO s

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t 1. PAGE 5 2 RESPONSIBLE FOR RECOMMENDING APPROPRIATE PROTECTIVE 3 . ACTION TO STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THE PLANNING 4 THAT WE ARE DOING WAS BASED ON THE CRITERIA---CRITERIA 5 JOINTLY PUBLISHED BY N.R.C. AND F.E.M.A. THAT CRITERIA 6 IS KNOWN AS NUCLEAR REG. 0654.

7 OUR CONCEPT OF RESPONSE, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, 8 IN THIS PLAN IS BASICALLY SIMPLE. IF AN ACCIDENT 9 OCCURS AT THE BA---AT THE NUCLEAR PLANT, EMPLOYEES 10 AT THE PLANT TAKE TWO MODES OF ACTION. THEY WILL 11 TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ON-SITE STEPS TO CONTROL THE 12 INC I DENT; AND THEY WILL NOTIFY BOTH STATE AND LOCAL 13 GOVERNMENT OF THE SITUATION AND WHERE NECESSARY, 14 RECOMMEND THE APPROPRIATE STATE AND LOCAL RESPONSE 15 ACTION. -STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACCEPT THIS 16 INFORMATION, AND THEY ASSESS THE SITUATION AND 17 INITIATE APPROPRIATE EMERGENCY PROCEDURES IN ACCORDANCE D 18 WITH WHAT THE EMERGENCY 15. AT ANY GIVEN POINT, 19 WHEN THIS EMERGENCY ACCELERATES AND THE PUBLIC NEEDS j 20 TO BE NOTIFIED, THIS NOTIFICATION WILL BE TAKEN BY z

21 BOTH STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THROUGHOUT ALL 22 PHASES OF AN EMERGENCY A,T THE PLANT, LOCAL AND STATE 23 GOVERNMENT CONTINUE TO ASSESS THE INFORMATION; AND 24 THEY ARE IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THE PLANT SO THAT 25 WE CAN SHARE INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE v

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, .s 1 PAGE 6 2 ALL UNDERSTANDING WHAT EACH OTHER IS SAYING.

3 WE MIGHT NOTE THAT BOTH THE STATE AND 4

LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAVE JOINT AND CONTINUING RESPONSIBILITY 5 FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE EMERGENCY 6 SITE.

7 IN THE EARLY PHASES OF AN EMERGENCY AT 8 THE PLANT---AND THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE---HAPPENED 9 TO BE AT OUR EXERCISE, YOU NOTICED THAT LOCAL GOVERN-10 MENT IS EXPECTED TO CONTROL THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS 11 IN THE EARLY STAGE. THEY'RE IN DIRECT CONTROL AND 12 THE STATE IS IN ASSISTANCE. ONCE THE GOVERNOR OR 13 THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS DECLARED A STATE OF DISASTER i '

14 OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT REQUESTS ASSUMPTION OF CONTROL, 15 AFTER THE STATE IS OPERATIONAL---THAT IS, THE EMER-16 GENCY OPERATING CENTER IS OPEN AND PEOPLE ARE IN

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17 PLACE---THE STATE WILL ASSUME THAT RESPONSIBILITY

! 18 FOR DIRECTION AND CONTROL. AND THEN THE ROLE IS 19 REVERSED; LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS NOW ASSISTING STATE j 20 GOVERNMENT.

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a 21 PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE GOVERNOR f 22 HAS A DECLARATION---A DISASTER DECLARATION, HE HAS t

,E 23 THE POWER TO UTILIZE ALL AVAILABLE STATE RESOURCES 24 TO COPE WITH THE EMERGENCY. WE HAVE WHAT IS KNOWN AS 25 THE STATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM. THIS IS A TEAM k

__ 1 PAGE 7 2 MADE UP OF AGENCIES FROM THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AN 3 EXAMPLE, IN THE SECOND DAY OF THIS EXERCISE, OUR 4 EMERGENCY OPERATING CENTER SWELLED TO APPROXIMATELY 5 213 PEOPLE. AGAIN, ALL STATE AGENCIES COME UNDER 6 THE CONTROL OF OUR DIVISION; AND IT IS CALLED THE 7 STATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM.

8 WE BASE OUR EMERGENCY PLANNING ON TWO g EMERGENCY PLANNIN,G ZONES. THE FIRST PLANNING ZONE, 10 SHOWN IN THE GREEN, IS CALLED A TEN-MILE PLUME 11 EXPOSURE PATHWAY; AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS.

12 IT IS THE TERRITORY WITHIN THE TEN-MILE RADIUS OF 13 THE NUCLEAR PLANT.

14 THE SECOND PHASE, SHOWN IN GOLD, IS KNOWN 15 AS THE FIFTY-MILE INGESTION PATHWAY. AGAIN, IT 16 INCLUDES ALL THE TERRITORY WITHIN FIFTY MILES OF 17 THE NUCLEAR PLANT.

h 18 PLANNING IN THE INNER CIRCLE, OR THE TEN-MILE 19 PLUME EXPOSURE PATHWAY, IS GEARED TO ACTIONS TO g 20 RAPIDLY PROVIDE PROTECTION TO THE PEOPLE WITHIN THAT 21 ZONE.

j 22 NOW, HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SHEARON HARRIS PLANT ZONE. IF YOU WILL, NOTE THAT PORTIONS

[ 23 24 OF CHATHAM, HARNETT, LEE AND WAKE ARE WITHIN THE 25 TEN-MILE ZONE OF THE SHEARON HARRIS.

... .e A 1 PAGE 8 2 PLANNING FOR THE FIFTY-MILE INGESTION 3 PATHWAY IS GEARED MORE TO ACTIONS TO PREVENT THE CON-4 SUMPTION OF CONTAMINATED WATER AND FOOD PRODUCTS. NOW, 5 WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS. WHEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY 6 AT THE PLANT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT ALL 7 ZONES WITHIN THAT TEN-MILE RADIUS ARE GOING TO HAVE

. 8 TO HAVE ACTION. FOR INSTANCE, AS YOU SEE THIS ONE 9 ZONE HERE, THAT'MAY BE ALL THAT'S AFFECTED BY THE 10 PARTICULAR EMERGENCY. AND THE RESPONSE WOULD DEPEND 11 PRIMARILY UPON THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE PARTICULAR 12 INCIDENT AND THE WEATHER.

13 IF YOU WILL NOTE UP THERE, THE RESPONSE AREA

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14 IN THE FIFTY-MILE ZONE IS BASICALLY THE SAME SHAPE, 15 BUT, OF COURSE, A LARGER AREA.

16 NOW, I MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO THAT 17 THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE WOULD DEPEND UP THE SERIOUS-

.[ 18 NESS OF THE INCIDENT. FOR THIS PURPOSE IN OUR g 19 PLANNING, WE HAVE CATEGORIZED THE EMERGENCIES INTO t

!j 20 FOUR CLASSES: THE NOTIFICATION OF AN UNUSUAL EVENT

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ij 21 AND ALERT ARE MEANT TO PROVIDE EARLY AND PROMPT NOTIFI-a f 22 TION OF MINOR INCIDENTS TO BOTH STATE AND LOCAL

'I GOVERNMENT WHICH MIGHT, IF NOT TAKEN CARE OF, COULD ll 23 24 LEAD TO MORE SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS. AND THEN, WHEN i

25 WE GET TO SITE AREA EMERGENCY AND GENERAL EMERGENCY p

• 1 PAGE 9 2 CLASSES, THEY-REPRESENT A MORE SERIOUS INCIDENT.

3 WHEN NOTIFIED OF AN EMERGENCY AT THE NUCLEAR 4 PLANT, THE STATE WILL IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO ASSESS THE 5 SITUATION AND TO ALERT KEY PERSONNEL. AN EXAMPLE, 6 GOING BACK TO THE EARLIER LEVELS: IN THE ALERT 7 STAGE, JUST SOME KEY PEOPLE---UNUSUAL EVENT, I MEAN---

8 JUST A FEW KEY PEOPLE WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. AS THE 9 SITUATION ACCELERATES, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE 10 CALLED INTO THE EMERGENCY OPERATING CENTER. THIS 11 CENTER---IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, FOR THE SHEARON 12- HARRIS PLANT---IS LOCATED IN THE BASEMENT OF THE 13 ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. THAT'S OUR EMERGENCY 14 OPERATING CENTER. AND THAT'S WHERE THE STATE 15 EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM WILL BE HOUSED. WHEN THEY a

16 ARE ACTIVATED, THEY PROVIDE THE MANAGEMENT FOR THIS, 17 WHATEVER'THIS EMERGENCY HAPPENS TO BE.

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[g- 18 NOW, WE SAID EARLIER THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT g- 19 HAS THE DIRECTION AND CONTROL FOR QUITE A FEW HOURS 3

j 20 UNT I L THE S.E.R..T. TEAM IS ACTIVATED. THEY DO THE 21 SdME THING THAT THE STATE DOES. AS THEY RECEIVE

.a f 22 INFORMATION FROM 1HE PLANT, THE KEY OFFICIALS ASSESS

)t , 23 THE DAMAGE OR THE SITUATION AND DECIDE WHAT MODE OF 24 ACTION THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE. DEPENDING UPON WHAT 25 THE INCIDENT MIGHT BE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT MAY ACTIVATE

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- . . . . i 1 PAGE 10 2 THE WARNING SYSTEM AND MAN THEIR EMERGENCY OPERATING 3 CENTER.

4 NOW, HOW DO WE GET THIS WARNING FROM THE 5 PLANT? WE USE AN AUTOMATIC RING-DOWN SYSTEM THAT 6 NOTIFIES THE STATE AND THE COUNTIES INVOLVED SIMUL-7- TANEOUSLY. THERE IS ALSO THREE BACKUP SYSTEMS WITH

. 8 STANDARD PHONE AND TWO-WAY RADIOS. ALL THE WARNING g POINTS INVOLVED IN SHEARON HARRIS OPERATE 24 HOURS 10 A DAY. IF THI'S PARTICULAR MESSAGE COME5 THROUGH 11 THE WARNING POINT, AND IT WOULD, THE DISPATCHER AT 12 THAT WARNING POINT HAS AN ALERT LIST THAT HE USES 13 TO NOTIFY THE PROPER PEOPLE. THESE OFFICIALS ARE

- 14 EITHER NOTIFIED BY TELEPHONE, BY PAGER SYSTEM OR 15 BY RADIO. DEPENDING UPON THE SEVERITY OF THE 16 EMERGENCY, IT MIGHT BE THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT MIGHT 17 GO IMMEDIATELY TO ALERTING THE PUBLIC, AGAIN, DEPENDING ll. 18 UPON WHAT THE SITUATION IS. NOW, HOW IS THIS DONE?

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20 WHICH SHOULD TELL YOU, THE PUBLIC, " TURN ON YOUR 21' RADIOS AND TELEVISIONS AND LISTEN FOR AN EMERGENCY a-j 22 BROADCAST." THIS SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO ALERT EVERYONE l 23 WITHIN THE TEN MILES OF THE NUCLEAR PLANT WITHIN 24 FIFTEEN MINUTES. AFTER THIS PRIMARY WARNING IS DONE, 25 WITH THE USE OF THE SIRENS AND THE E.B.S. SYSTEM, WE

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PAGE 11 2 GO INTO WHAT WE CALL A BACKUP SYSTEM. THIS IS WHERE 3 YOUR FIRE, RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, WITH THEIR 4 PUBLIC ADDRESS ON THEIR MOBILE---ON THEIR VEHICLES, 5 RIDE THROUGH THE AFFECTED AREA, STOPPING EVERY QUARTER 6 OF A MILE AND ANNOUNCING TO YOU TO TURN ON YOUR RADIOS 7 AND TELEVISIONS TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

8 NOW, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE SYSTEM 9 WORKS AS FAR AS THE WARNING: YOU SEE THE NUCLEAR 10 PLANT SIMULTANEOUSLY TO THE STATE WARNING POINT AND 11 THE COUNTY WARNING POINT; AND THE COUNTY, IN TURN, 12 CONTACTS THE NECESSARY COUNTY OFFICIALS. IF THEY 13 THINK THE INCIDENT IS OF A SUFFICIENT SEVERITY, THEN

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14 A WARNING SYSTEM WILL BE PUT INTO ACTION.

15 OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT PROTECTIVE ACTIONS 16 FOR YOU, THE PUBLIC. SHELTERING: SHELTERING MAY j 17 BE OF TWO KINDS: WHAT WE CALL IN-PLACE SHELTERING---

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! YOU MAY HEAR OVER .E.B.S. TO REMAIN IN YOUR HOMES, 19 CLOSE YOUR WINDOWS AND DOORS, TURN OFF YOUR AIR CON-j 20 DITIONERS; AND THAT IS SUFFICIENT FOR WHATEVER THAT

'i 21 PARTICULAR PROBLEM IS. THEN AGAIN, WE MIGHT HAVE

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l 23 ALREADY PREDESIGNATED SHELTERS, WHICH WILL BE STAFFED 24 EITHER BY RED CROSS AND/OR THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVI CES.

25 NOW, THE LAST TWO PROTECTIVE ACTIONS HAVE

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1 PAGE 12 2 TO DO WITH'THE FIFTY-MILE INGESTION PATHWAY. BEFORE 3 WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU BACK IN THERE, RADIOLOGICAL 4 PROTECTION AND AGRICULTURE WILL GET TOGETHER; AND 5 THEY WILL DECIDE WHETHER IT'S SAFE TO COME BACK IN, 6 LOOKING VERY CLOSELY AT WATER SUPPLY AND THE AGRI-7 CULTURAL PRODUCTS.

8 . VERY SHORTLY, AND I DIDN'T REALLY ASK---HOW 9 LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE BEFORE THE PAMPHLET IS to OUT? DO YOU KNOW?

. 11 MR. WILLIS: IT IS OCTOBER, I BELIEVE---

12 SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER.

13 MR. V.EY: SOMETIME IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, 14 THE CITIZENS LIVING IN THE TEN-MILE E.P.Z. WILL 15 RECEIVE A PAMPHl.ET THAT WILL GIVE YOU ESSENTIALLY 16 THE SAME THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TO THIS POINT.

17 AND WE WILL HAVE A RECURRING BASIS FOR ISSUING OF 18 THIS AS WELL AS CONTINUOUS EMERGENCY PUBLIC INFORMATION.

19 AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RECOVERY, TO THAT---

20 TO US THAT'S AS IMPORTANT AS THE EMERGENCY PHASE; AND 21 WE'RE GOING TO TAKE EVERY PRECAUTION IN OUR PLANNING h 22 TO MAKE CERTAIN'YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED BACK IN UNTIL WE r

[ 23 KNOW IT'S SAFE FOR THE PUBLIC TO DO SO.

24 THIS HAS BEEN A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR 25 STATE PLAN. I HOPE THAT THIS BRIEF EXPLANATION HAS i

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V 1 PAGE 13 i 2 ANSWERED SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS CONCERNING IT. THANK 3 YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

4 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. KEY.

5 NEXT WILL BE'THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR OF 6 'CHATHAM COUNTY, MR. MARK SCOTT.

7 MR. SCOTT: THANK YOU. YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT 8 WHAT THE STATE HAS PLANNED FOR ALL THE COUNTIES; AND

'9 BASICALLY, ALL THE COUNTIES ARE DOING THE SAME THING.

10 I WILL TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR COUNTY YESTERDAY, 11 WHAT OUR PLAN IS RIGHT NOW AND WHAT IT WILL PROBABLY 12 BE FROM NOW ON. WE FOUND A FEW PROBLEMS YESTERDAY, 13 BUT NOTHING THAT WE CAN'T WORK OUT. OUR AUTOMATIC 14 RING-DOWN PHONE AND ALL THE BACKUP SYSTEMS TO THE 15 PLANT ARE LOCATED IN OUR 24-HOUR WARNING POINT, WHICH 16 IS OUR CHATHAM COUNTY DISPATCH CENTER. THIS CENTER g

I'7 IS MANNED 24 HOURS A DAY. WE HAVE REDUNDANCY SYSTEMS, l 18 EMERGENCY POWER, EVERYTHING. IF WE LOSE POWER, WE CAN 19 ALWAYS OPERATE. THE AUTOMATIC RING-DOWN, AS I SAID, j 20 IS THERE TO THE PLANT. WE HAVE THE TWO-WAY RADIO 21 TO THE PLANT. WE HAVE THE PUBLIC PHONES WHICH CAN a

f 22 BE USED; AND WE'LL HAVE A FACSIMILE UNIT, WHICH IS TO 23 THE PLANT CONTROL ROOM AND TO ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES 24 AND TO THE WARNING POINT AT THE STATE LEVEL. SO, WE'VE 25 GOT FOUR SYSTEMS FOR NOTIFICATION.

i 1 PAGE 14 2 ANYTIME WE HAVE A PROBLEM AT THE PLANT, WE 3 HAVE A PLAN OF CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT WILL BE NOTIFIED ,

AND WE HAVE THE ALERT STATUS---OR, EXCUSE ME, THE 4

5 UNUSUAL EVENT THAT TAKES PLACE FIRST, WE*HAVE CERTAIN 6

PEOPLE THAT ARE NOTIFIED. WE HAVE THE ALERT STATUS, f

7 THE SITE AREA EMERGENCY AND THE GENERAL EMERGENCY.

8 AND AS THESE PROBLEMS PROGRESS AT THE PLANT, CERTAIN 9 PEOPLE ARE NOTIFIED ON DOWN THE LINE. AND THIS IS to AN ONGOING PROCESS. ONCE WE MOVE FROM ONE PHASE TO 11 ANOTHER, WE KEEP CALLING IN PEOPLE. OUR EMERGENCY 12 OPERATIONS CENTER IS IN THE SAME BUILDING THAT OUR 13 24-HOUR WARNING POINT IS; SO, WE DON'T HAVE TO RUN ,

14 ALL OVER EVERYWHERE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING 15 ON. WE HAVE MESSENGERS THAT CAN CARRY MESSAGES, 16 HARD COPIES, FROM OUR WARNING POINT TO OUR EMERGENCY 17 OPERATIONS CENTER. AS WE GET INFORMATION FROM THE l 18 PLANT, FROM THE E.O.C. HEADQUARTERS IN RALEIGH, THEN 19 THE DECISIONS ARE MADE BY OUR LOCAL OFFICIALS INSIDE

.j 20 THE E.O.C. AND ALL OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS INSIDE THE 21 COUNTY AS TO WHAT ACTIONS NEED TO BE TAKEN. WE HAVE f 22 EIGHT FIRE UNITS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS EVACUATION p 23 PLAN. FOUR RESCUE UNITS AND ALL OF OUR COUNTY 24 DEPARTMENTS ARE INVOLVED IN IT. THE DEPARTMENT OF 25 SOCIAL SERVICES, MENTAL HEALTH, OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION,

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3 THEY'RE ALL INVOLVED IN IT. WE HAD YESTERDAY APPROXI-4 MATELY 165 PEOPLE INVOLVED IN OUR PLAN. AND WE HAVE 5 BACKUPS FOR EACH OF THESE PEOPLE. IF WE SEND ONE 6 PERSON OUT, THEN WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PERSON TO TAKE 7 HIS PLACEJ EITHER THERE, OR I r' HE'S NOT THERE THAT 8 DAY, THEN WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE TO TAKE OVER.

9 THE SYSTEM AT OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS 10 CENTER YESTERDAY WORKED RATHER WELL. WE HAD SOME ,

11 PROBLEMS, AND I'M SURE WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE 12 BIT LATER ON. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE HANDLED 13 EVERYTHING TO OUR ADVANTAGE YESTERDAY AND, HOPEFULLY, 14 TO YOURS. THANK YOU.

i 15 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARK.

16 TO PRESENT THE HARNETT COUNTY PLAN WILL BE THE EMER-17 GENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, MR. HENRY JOHNSON.

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19 MR. JOHNSON: IN HARNETT COUNTY, WE HAVE j 20 ONE ZONE, AS MR. KEY EXPLAINED AWHILE AG0; AND THIS 21 IS ZONE "H." AND ZONE "H" IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH f 22 SECTION OF THE COUNTY. IT'S A SMALL SECTION IN THE 23 NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, CONSISTING OF THE WHOLE 24 BUCKHORN TOWNSHIP AND PART OF HAGER'S CREEK TOWNSHIP.

26 WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 1,400 PEOPLE IN ZONE "H." AND L _ -- _ - ---- --

.. .a 1 PAGE 16 2 IF PROBLEMS---ACCORDING TO THE PLAN, IS WE FOLLOW 3 ALONG WITH THE STATE PLAN AND ALSO CHATHAM COUNTY'S 4 PLAN, WHICH MARK SPOKE ABOUT. IF PROBLEMS AT THE 5 PLANT ARISE, WE HAVE A WARNING POINT WHICH IS LOCATED 8 IN LILLINGTON AT THE HARNETT COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPART-7 MENT DISPATCH OFFICE. HARNETT CENTRAL DISPATCH---

8 DISPATCH OFFICE WOULD BE NOTIFIED, AND EMERGENCY 9 MANAGEMENT WOULD THEN BE CALLED OUT OF MY OFFICE; 10 AND DIRECTION AND CONTROL WOULD BE THE HARNETT 11 COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS---CHAIRMAN, MR. JESSE 12 OFFEN; AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND THE COUNTY MANAGER, 13 MR. JACK BROCK. AND THEY WILL BE SUPPORTED BY VARIOUS 14 COUNTY AGENCIES AND DEPARTMENTS

• SUCH AS, THE SHERIFF'S 15 DEPARTMENT IN BACKUP, ALERT AND WARNING; ALSO, FOR 16 SECURITY AND TRAFFIC CONTROL. THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL g

17 SERVICES WOULD PLAY A BIG PART IN HARNETT COUNTY j 18 PROCEDURES, SUCH AS SHELTERING. IF PUBLIC SHELTERING 19 HAD TO BE OPENED, MS. HELEN CRUZ, DIRECTOR OF HARNETT lj 20 COUNTY SOCIAL SERVICES, WOULD PROVIDE THIS SERVICE.

'i lj 21 ALSO, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, MR. HENRY THOMPSON,

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'd 22 DIRECTOR, WOULD PLAY AN IMPORTANT PART IN IT. AND 23 WE HAVE VARIOUS OTHER COUNTY DEPARTMENTS. ALSO, 24 HARNETT COUNTY RELIES ON VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE.

25 OUT OF THIS DRILL, WE'VE GOT EXCELLENT

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1. PAGE 17 2 RESPONSE. WE'VE GOT VERY GOOD GROUPS, DEPARTMENTS, 3 IN THE COUNTY; AND IN THE LAST FIVE TO SIX MONTHS, 4 THEY'VE BEEN RECEIVING EXTENSIVE TRAINING. AND THIS 5 IS A VERY VALUABLE RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE IN HARNETT 6 COUNTY.

7 ALSO, IF THERE WAS PROBLEMS AT THE PLANT, 8 WE WOULD OPEN UP THE HARNETT COUNTY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS 9 CENTER, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE COURTHOUSE IN LILLINGTON; 10 AND THIS WOULD BE MANNED AROUND THE CLOCK AT THE 11 DIRECTION AND CONTROL OF THE CHAIRMAN AND THE COMMIS-12 SIONERS UNTIL WE REQUEST ASSISTANCE FROM THE STATE 13 AND IT GETS OUT OF OUR HANDS.

14 THANK YOU.

15 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, HENRY. TO 16 PRESENT THE LEE COUNTY PLAN, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT 17 COORDINATOR, MR. J. T. KIRKMAN---J. T.

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[ 18 MR. KIRKMAN: THANK YOU, JOE. IN LEE COUNTY, 19 THE PLAN IS MUCH SIMILAR TO CHATHAM, HARNETT AND THE j 20 STATE PLAN. THE E.O.C., EMERGENCY OPERATING CENTER, 21 15 LOCATED 'IN THE SANFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND ALL a

f 22 THE COMMUNICATIONS INVOLVED IN THE SHEARON HARRIS 23 PLANT ARE LOCATED RIGHT BESIDE OF THE DISPATCHER; AND, 24 OF COURSE, THAT'S OPERATED 24 HOURS A DAY AROUND THE 26 CLOCK, YEAR AROUND.

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l 1 PAGE 18 2 WE HAVE AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, WHICH 3 INCLUDES ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND SOME OF THE 4 DIFFERENCES THERE IN LEE COUNTY THAN THE OTHER 5 COUNTIES, THE SANFORD CITY OFFICIALS AND THE LEE 6 COUNTY, OFFICIALS OPERATE TOGETHER. IT'S THE WAY IT j 7 WAS SET UP SOME TIME AGO. THEY OPERATE JOINTLY. LEE l

l 8 COUNTY HAS 1,150 PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE TEN-MILE l

9 AREA, AND THAT'S ALONG THE CAPE FEAR RIVER. ALL to EMERGENCY UNITS IN SANFORD AND LEE COUNTY, SUCH AS 11 THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, 12 HIGHWAY PATROL, AND SO FORTH, ARE INVOLVED IN THE 13 PLAN. WE HAVE FOUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS. THE RESCUE 14 IN SANFORD AND LEE COUNTIES---THERE'S ONLY ONE, AND 15 THEY ARE CENTRALLY LOCATED; BECAUSE LEE COUNTY IS 16 REALLY---LANDWISE, IS SMALL. SO, THEREFORE, THEY g 17 COVER IT VERY ADEQUATELY BECAUSE THEY'RE ON DUTY

l. 18 THERE WITH PEOPLE 24 HOURS A DAY; WHEREAS SOME 19 COUNTIES ARE MAYBE NOT THAT WAY. LEE COUNTY DO j 20 HAVE PEOPLE IN THEIR BUILDING 24 HOURS A DAY, JUST 21 LIKE A POLICE STATION. AND S0, THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT f 22 THERE THAT THEY CAN RESPOND AT ALL TIMES.

23 A LOT OF THE THINGS HAS ALREADY BEEN 24 COVERED HERE THtT WE DO. OUR PLAN YESTERDAY WORKED 26 REAL WELL, WE THOUGHT. WITH THREE SHELTERS---WE HAVE u .. - - - -

1 PAGE 19 2 THREE SHELTERS THAT ARE, OF COURSE, IN SCHOOLS. ONE 3 IS AT 42-WEST. TWO OF THESE SCHOOLS ARE RELATIVELY 4 NEW. AND IT'S AN IDEAL SITUATION BECAUSE THE GYMNASIUM, 5 AS YOU GO TO IT, THERE'S ONLY A SHORT WALKWAY. AND 6 THERE'S MALE-FEMALE SHOWERS THAT ARE TO THE LEFT, ONLY 7 A FEW FEET; AND THEN THE GYMNASIUM IS TO THE RIGHT, 8 WHICH IS---HAS JUST TWO DOORS TO !.T . SO, THIS LOOKS 9 LIKE IT WOULD---WHEN THEY BUILT THE SCHOOL, THEY KIND 10 OF INCORPORATED THAT INTO IT. SO, IT'S REALLY AN 11 IDEAL SITUATION.

12 l'LL SAY IT AGAIN. THE E.O.C. THERE, IT 13 REALLY PLAYS AN IMPORTANT PART. WHEN THE SANFORD 1-4 MUNICIPALITY PUILDING WAS ERECTED ABOUT FIVE YEARS 15 AGO, IT WASN'T---THE E.O.C. WASN'T COOPERATING. AND 16 ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS ARE UP TO DATE, AND THE OFFICE g 17 0F EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

l 18 50, ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, 19 ALONG WITH THE SCHOOL, WHICH IS NOT TOO OLD, EITHER.

g 20 AND THESE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND EMERGENCY UNITS 21 ARE JUST NOT TOO FAR AWAY; SO, IT'S THE---THE SITUATION f 22 THERE IS REALLY IDEAL TO SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT 23 ARE NOT---THE REASON BEING, 15 BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY 24 BEING SO SMALL.

26 THE PLAN IN LEE COUNTY INVOLVES THE ELECTED s

9 1 PAGE 20 2 0FFICIALS, WHERE WE START AT THE TOP, LIKE MARK AND 3 HENRY SAID, WITH THE ALDERMEN AND THE COUNTY COMMIS-4 S10NERS; AND THEY ARE CALLED AS NEEDED. AND OUR 5 RESPONSE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY DURING THIS WAS VERY 6 SUCCESSFUL. I THINK MOST OF THE OTHER ITEMS ARE 7 PROBABLY COVERED AT THIS TIME. WE THANK YOU.

8 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, J. T. TO 9 PRESENT THE WAKE COUNTY PLAN, MR. J. RUSSELL CAPPS, 10 THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.

11 MR. CAPPS: IN THE WAKE COUNTY PORTION 12 0F THE TEN-MILE E.P.Z., WE HAVE 14,000 PLUS PEOPLE.

13 ONE THING I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT NO ONE OF THE 14 COUNTIES OPERATES INDIVIDUALLY FROM THE OTHERS DURING 15 OUR EXERCISE OR DURING ANY EVENT THAT MIGHT OCCUR.

16 WE ARE ALL COORDINATING TOGETHER OUR ACTIVITIES.

17 WE ARE IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH 0

h 18 THE STATE AT ALL TIMES DURING THE PROCESS OF OPERATION.

19 OUR PLAN INCLUDES, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED g 20 BEFORE, PRIMARY ALERTING AND WARNING, WHICH IS 21 ASSIGNED SYSTEMS SURROUNDING THE SHEARON HARRIS h 22 PLANT. TO BACK THAT UP, WE HAVE A BACKUP ALERTING 23 AND WARNING THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF BY VEHICLES WITH 24 P.A. SYSTEMS. AND IN WAKE COUNTY, WE HAVE THE HARRIS 25 LAKE. WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALERTING AND WARNING j

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1 PAGE 21 2 BACKUP ON THAT LAKE, AND THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF BY THE 3 SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WITH BOATS, EQUIPMENT, P.A.

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SYSTEMS AND FLARES.

5 THE E.B.S. SYSTEM, THE EMERGENCY BROADCAST 6 SYSTEM, IS ALWAYS UTILIZED AFTER THE 0UGDING OF THE h

7 SIRENS; AND ALL THE OTHER MEANS OF ALERTING PEOPLE 8 IS TO TELL THEM TO TURN ON A RADIO OR.T.V., TO GE.

g INSTRUCTIONS ON THE EMERGENCY BROADCAST SYSTEM. THF 10 EMERGENCY BROADCAST SYSTEM 15 ACTIVATED THROUGH THE 11 PRIMARY E.B.S. STATION HERE IN RALEIGH, WHICH IS 12 W.P.T.F. RADIO. ALL OF THE OTHER STATIONS ARE ALERTED 13 FROM THAT ONE STATION AND DO CARRY THE MESSAGE AT THE 14 SAME TIME. AGAIN, ALL THAT IS COORDINATED. IN OTHER 15 WORDS, WE WOULD NOT SOUND THE SIRENS IN ONE COUNTY 16 WITHOUT THE OTHER COUNTIES BEING A PART OF IT AND 17 KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON. THE E.B.S. SYSTEM WOULD g

l 18 NOT BE STARTED WITHOUT ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES IN 19 THE STATE KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON. WE ARE ALL j 20 COORDINATING THIS AT THE SAME TIME.

21 WE HAVE EVACUATION ROUTES, TRAFFIC CONTROL, 8

f 22 TO ASSURE THAT PEOPLE BE OUT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF 23 ZONES. THE TERRITORY IS DIVIDED UP INTO ZONES AND 24 SUBZONES SO THAT WE KNOW WHICH ZONES ARE NECESSARY TO 25 EVACUATE AND HOW WE ARE COVERING THEM-AS FAR AS BACKUP M_

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WARNING AND ALERTING, TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SAFETY, 3 SECURITY, ROADBLOCKS AND THIS KIND OF THING.

4 THE RADIOLOGICAL MONITORING IS CARRIED 5 ON THROUGH THE PROCESS. THERE ARE WHAT WE CALL DECON-

• 6 TAMINATION STATIONS ALONG THE THREE EVACUATION ROUTES,

! 7 THREE MAIN EVACUATION ROUTES THAT WE HAVE FROM THE ,

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8 AREA TO OUR SHELTER COMPLEX. THE SHELTER COMPLEX ,

8 IS ALL IN THE CITY OF RALEIGH AND GARNER. AND WE l r 10 HAVE RADIOLOGICAL MONITORING DECON STATIONS THAT  !

11 l ARE LOCATED ALONG THOSE ROUTES THAT WOULD INTERCEDE---

l 12 INTERCEPT ANY VEHICLE THAT MIGHT HAVE CONTAMINATION. ,

13 FROM THERE THE PROCESS WOULD GO THROUGH TO CHECK [

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l 15 l RADIOLOGICAL MONITORING IS ALSO DONE AT i i  ;

16 THE SHELTERS. THERE ARE SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR ANY-17

! ONE WHO MIGHT COME IN THAT IS SUSPECTED OF HAVING  !

18 CONTAMINATION, AND THEY ARE TAKEN TO A SEPARATE i

'8 ENTRANCE, AND THE PROCESS IS THERE TO TAKE CARE OF 20 THAT KIND OF SITUATION.

i 21 THE SHELTERS IN THE RALEIGH COMPLEX, WE '

22 HAVE---WELL, IN THE WAKE COUNTY PLAN, WE HAVE TEN SHELTER:s l

j 23 l THAT WOULD PROVIDE ADEQUATE NUMBERS OF SPACES FOR ALL ,

24 0F THE 14,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AREA, SHOULD WE II NEED SHELTER FOR EVERYONE, WHICH WOULD BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY, e i i

1 PAGE 23 2 OUR SHELTERS IN WAKE COUNTY ARE OPERATED 3 BY THE RED CROSS, BACKED UP BY THE SOCIAL SERVICES 4 DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE ADEQUATE PERSONNEL IN BOTH THE 6 RED CROSS AND THE SOCIAL SERVICES TO OPERATE THE NUMBER 6 0F SHELTERS NECESSARY. AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT BE-7 TWEEN THE TWO SO THAT THE RED CROSS WOULD BE THE PRIMARY 8 TO OPEN ALL OF THE SHELTERS EXCEPT ONE, AND THE SOCIAL 9 SERVICES WOULD BE THE BACK UP. BUT SOCIAL SERVICES 10 WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT IN THE EVENT THE RED 11 CROSS WAS TIED UP AND COULD NOT.

12 IN WAKE COUNTY WE HAVE WHAT WE THINK IS 13 A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR A SPECIAL GROUP OF PEOPLE.

14 WE HAVE A NUMBER OF REST HOMES AND SPECIAL CARE UNITS 15 IN OUR VICINITY OF THE TEN-MILE AREA AROUND THE PLANT.

16 AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE DEVELOPED WHAT WE CALL A 17 SPECIAL CARE FACILITY, WHICH IS LOCATED AT DOROTHEA g

18 DIX HOSPITAL. AND MANY OF THESE PEOPLE IN THESE 0

19 REST HOMES HAVE, AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER, PREVIOUSLY g 20 BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE DIX SYSTEMJ AND THEY HAVE 21 SPECIAL CARE MEANS. AND THE STAFF OF THESE REST 22 HOMES WOULD BE BROUGHT IN WITH THE PEOPLE, AND THEY h

23 WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THIS SPECIAL CARE FACILITY WHERE 24 THEIR SPECIAL CARE NEEDS COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF.

25 IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THAT'S i

l I 1 PAGE 24 2 BEEN REFERRED TO BY THE OTHER COUNTIES, OURS IS IN 3 THE BASEMENT OF THE COURTHOUSE HERE IN RALEIGH. THE 4 DECISIONMAKERS ARE THERE, THE EXECUTIVES, THE AGENCY 5 HEADS AND THE HEADS OF AGENCIES SUCH AS RED CROSS, 6 AND THE RADIO HAM OPERATORS AND OTHERS THAT ARE 7 VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ASSIST US. ann THESE 8 OPERATIONS ARE ALL COORDINATED, AND DIRECTIONS FOR 9 THESE GO OUT FROM THIS LOCATION.

10 IN THE EARLY PART OF ANY SITUATION OUT 11 THERE, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, THE OPERATIONS 12 ARE DIRECTED AND CONTROLLED FROM OUR HEADQUARTERS 13 AT THE E.O.C.'S IN THE VARIOUS COUNTIES; AND WE CONTINUE 14 TO OPERATE AFTER THE STATE TAKES DIRECTION AND CONTROL.

15 WE CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE E.O.C.'S, AND LOCAL ACTIONS 16 THAT ARE REQUESTED OR REQUIRED BY THE STATE, AS WELL j 17 AS ANY THAT WE DEEM NECESSARY, ARE CARRIED OUT THROUGH l 18 COORDINATION EFFORTS IN THAT SECTION.

19 ONE FINAL THING THAT WE HAVE IS THE PUBLIC j 20 EDUCATION AND INFORMATION PROGRAM. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT 21 THAT THE PUBLIC BE EDUCATED TO ALL THAT WE'RE DOING a

d 22 AND TO WHAT CAN HAPPEN OR COULD HAPPEN AND HOW WE 23 WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE INFORMATION 24 THAT'S ADEQUATE TO ASSURE YOU THAT THESE THINGa ARE 25 BEING DONE IN THE EVENT THE PLAN IS OPERATED. THANK YOU.

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1 PAGE 25 2 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RUSSELL.

! 3 FROM CAROLINA POWER & LIGHT COMPANY, MR. JIM WILLIS.

4 MR. WILLIS: THANK YOU. THE EMERGENCY l

5 PLANNING AT THE CAROLINA POWER & LIGHT AND SHEARON ,

t 6 HARRIS NUCLEAR POWER PLANT REALLY BEGINS WITH THE PHILO-7 SOPY AND PRACTICE THAT CAROLINA POWER & LIGHT HAS ,

8 WITH THE DESIGN, ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION AND f 8 OPERATION OF ITS NUCLEAR FACILITIES. IN SO DOING,

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10 THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC IS AN ELEMENT OF PARAMOUNT l 11 CONCERN. WE ARE, OF COURSE, SUBJECT TO THE RULES OF 12 THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION AND OTHER GOVERNMENT l v 13 AGENCIES. WE FOLLOW THOSE RULES EXPLICITLY; AND TO j l

14 INSURE THAT WE DO, WE'RE AUDITED FREQUENTLY BY THOSE 15 ORGANIZATIONS. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE RULES OF OUR to OWN, WHICH IN MANY CASES ARE MUCH MORE STRINGENT, TO 17 INSURE THAT WE PROTECT AGAINST THE RELEASE OF RADIO-ll 18 l ACTIVITY OR OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE HARMFUL TO j

18 THE PUBLIC. AND AGAIN, WE AUDIT OURSELVES TO INSURE J 20 THAT.WE COMPLY WITH THOSE REGULATIONS.

21 EVENTS SUCH AS WE PRACTICED IN THE LAST [

] 22 TWO DAYS ARE VERY UNLIKELY. THE PLANT IS DESIGNED I

23 WITH REDUNDANT SAFETY SYSTEMS, SEPARATED POWER SUPPLIES, 24 A DEFENSE-IN-DEPTH CONCEPT FOR PROTECTION AGAINST THE 25 RELEASE OF RADICACTIVE MATERIALS, EXTENSIVE TRAINING l l

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1 PAGE 26 2 0F OUR OPERATORS; ALL TEND TO PRECLUDE OR MITIGATE 3 SUCH AN EVENT EVER OCCURRING. NONETHELESS, WE DO 4 HAVE EXTENSIVE PLANNING TO ENABLE US TO COPE WITH 6 SUCH A PROCESS SHOULD IT EVER OCCUR, AND COULD 6 PROPERLY RESPOND TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.

7 EMERGENCY PLANNING AT THE PLANT CONSISTS 8 0F A NUMBER OF FACETS. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A DE-g TAILED PLAN, THE EMERGENCY PLAN, WHICH GIVES ADVANCE 10 PREPARATIONS IN DETAIL FOR CONTINGENCY ACTIONS THAT 13 WOULD BE TAKEN IN THE EVENT OF A ACCIDENT AND THUS 12 ENABLES US TO HAVE PREPLANNED ACTIONS LAID OUT AS 13 GUIDANCE RATHER THAN RELYING ON ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN 14 IN THE HEAT OF THE BATTLE, SO TO SPEAK, IF YOU HAD 15 NOT DOAE IT UNTIL THE TIME THAT THE EVENT OCCURRED.

16 WE HAVE EXTENSIVE TRAINING OF ALL THE 17 PERSONNEL ON SITE, PARTICULARLY IN EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

g 18 BUT IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A VERY EXTENSIVE TRAINING l

Ig PROGRAM FOR OUR OPERATORS WHICH STRESSES, UNLIKE THE---

j 20 THE EMERGENCY PLAN STRESSES PRIMARILY RESPONSE TO AN EMERGENCY. THE OPERATOR TRAINING STRESSES PRIMARILY f, 21 j 22 PREVENTION. AND WE SPEND MUCH MORE TIME ON THAT 23 THAN WE DO ON RESPONSE.

24 WE HAVE DEDICATED FACILITIES THAT ARE 25 AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE ALERTING OR MANNING IN RESPONSE

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1 PAGE 27 2- TO AN EVENT SHOULD IT OCCUR. 'FIRST OF ALL, OUR CONTROL 13_ ROOM IS MANNED 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. IT 4' HAScTHE NECESSARY COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES TO BE ABLE 5 TO MAKE THE PUBLIC ALERTS, TO ALERT THE STATE AND LOCAL 6 AUTHORITIES, AND TO MOBILIZE THE COMPANY ASSETS AS

, 7_ NECESSARY.TO SUPPORT THEM. WE HAVE A TECHNICAL SUPPORT i

8 CENTER WHERE I AND MY STAFF ASSEMBLE; AND OUR BASIC

.9 JOB IS TO PROVIDE SUPPORT, ADVICE AND ASSISTANCE TO 10 THE CONTROL ROOM CREW-IN MITIGATION, AS WELL AS TO 11 ' ASSESS THE SITUATION AND PROVIDE THE NECESSARY OFF-SITE 12 .INFORMATION AND ALERTING UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME OTHER

. 13 FACILITIES MANNED; AN OPERATIONAL SUPPORT FACILITY 14 WHERE'WE HAVE A POOL OF AVAILABLE TECHNICAL TALENT, 15 SUCH AS OPERATORS, MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL, HEALTH i

k.v ' 16 PHYSICS TECHNICIANS AND THE LIKE WHO CAN BE ORGANIZED 17 INTO TEAMS AND SENT OUT INTO THE PLANT TO CONDUCT fl 18' DAMAGE CMTROL MEASURES, SURVEYS AND OTHER THINGS 19 TO PROVIDE INFORMATION; AN EMERGENCY OPERATING 20 FACILITY, WHICH IS A NEAR-SITE FACILITY, WHERE THERE l -

21 IS OTHER MANAGEMENT, PRINCIPALLY CORPORATE MANAGEMENT l'

f_ 22 PERSONNEL, AVAILABLE FOR OVERALL COORDINATION OF

[p* - 23 RESPONSE AND PARTICULARLY THEN, WHEN THIS FACILITY IS

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24 MANNED, TO DO THE OFF-SITE LIAISON COMMUNICATIONS I 25 WITH THE COUNTIES, STATE, AND SO FORTH. WE ALSO HAVE c .

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[ 1 PAGE 28 2 MEDIA CENTERS, A SITE MEDIA CENTER AND A CORPORATE 3 MEDIA CENTER, WHOSE JOB IS TO KEEP THE PUBLIC 4 INFORMED, TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY LIAISON WITH THE 5 MEDIA AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION FORCES. WE HAVE 6 DEDICATED, RELIABLE COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS THAT ARE 7 SET UP SOLELY FOR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. THEY'RE

. 8 ONLY USED DURING EMERGENCIES OR DRILLS, SUCH AS THE g ONE WE'VE HAD 'IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. THEY ARE T5STED 10 FREQUENTL'Y AND REPAIRED PROMPTLY IF ANY DEFICIENCIES 11 ARE FOUND.

12 WE'VE'ALREADY HEARD SOME WORDS ABOUT SIRENS

' 13 IN THE TEN-MILE ZONE. THESE SIRENS ARE PROVIDED BY 14 CAROLINA POWER S LIGHT AND ARE MAINTAINED BY CAROLINA 15 POWER & LIGHT. THE ACTIVATION OF THE SIRENS AND THE 16 CONTROL OF THEM IS RELEGATED TO THE STATE AND THE

.- 17 COMMUNITY, LOCAL COMMUNITIES; BUT WE DO PROVIDE THE 1

l 18 MAINTENANCE OF THEM.

19 WE ALSO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR PUBLIC j 20 I NFORMAT ION; AND AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED HERE, THERE IS 21 'A PUBLIC INFORMATION BROCHURE WHICH WILL BE DISTRIBUTED a-f 22 SOMETIME THIS FALL. IN THE MEANTIME, THERE HAVE BEEN 2-l 23 NEWSLETTERS FROM THE SHEARON HARRIS PLANT THAT HAVE BEEN 24 DISTRIBUTED, WHICH HAVE BROUGHT PEOPLE UP TO DATE ON 25 THE PLANNING AND THE ACTIONS THAT THEY SHOULD TAKE IN 9-

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1 1 PAGE 29 2 THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY FOR THE DRILLS.

3 I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL 4 USES OF THE EMERGENCY PLAN OTHER THAN CONTROL OF THE 5 RELEASE OF RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL, WHICH IS THE FIRST 6 ORDER OF CONCERN, OF COURSE. BUT OTHER THINGS WHERE 7 THE EMERGENCY PLAN COULD BE USED WOULD BE A SECURITY 8 THREAT, FIRE, POWER INTERRUPTIONS, NATIONAL PHENOMENA---

9 I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT WAS THE HURkICANE WHICH 10 RECENTLY PASSED OVER THE BRUNSWICK PLANT. DURING 11 THAT HURRICNE, THE EMERGENCY FACILITIES AT BRUNSWICK 12 WERE STAFFED AND REMAINED SO FOR OVER 24 HOURS. I 13 DON'T RECALL THE EXACT TIME. BUT THEY WERE READY

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14 AND ALERT TO TAKE ACTION SHOULD THE STORM CAUSE ANY 15 DAMAGE TO THE PLANT. IT DIDN'T, FORTUNATELY.

16 IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE FOUR j

17 CLASSES OF EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION. I MIGHT POINT l 18 OUT THAT IN ORDER TO TEST A PLAN FULLY, WHICH IS 19 WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IN THE LAST TWO DAYS, WE j 20 SEQUENTIALLY ESCALATE THROUGH ALL FOUR PHASES. THAT'S i

j 21 NOT TO SAY THAT EVERY EVENT WOULD ULTIMATELY RESULT a

f 22 IN A GENERAL EMERGENCY. I WOULD SAY JUST THE OPPOSITE 23 IS PROBABLE. BUT NONETHELESS, WE DO DO THAT. WE FORCE 24 IT THROUGH IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND AND DETER-25 MINE THAT WE CAN, IN FACT, HANDLE POSTULATED EMERGENCIES k..

$ 1 PAGE 30 2 On THfT TYPE IN ALL STAGES.

3 WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO THESE EXERCISES 4 ANNUALLY. IT, IN ALL CASES, WON'T INVOLVE A FULL' SCALE 5 EXERCISE, SUCH AS THE ONE WE'VE'HAD THE LAST TWO DAYS, 6 IN THAT THE COUNTIES AND THE STATE MAY NOT FULLY 7 PARTICIPATE AS THEY HAVE THIS TIME. IT WILL ALWAYS 8 BE FULL SCALE FOR SHEARON HARRIS AND FOR CPSL, HOWEVER.

9 I GUESS, IN

SUMMARY

, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT to THE SHEARON HARRIS PLAN REFLECTS THE COMPANY'S COMMIT-11 MENT TO SAFE OPERATIONS OF THE PLANT. WE'VE COMMITTED 12 EXTENSIVE FACILITIES, RESOURCES, PLANNING AND TRAINING 13 TO EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS TO INSURE THAT SHOULD SUCH 14 AN EVENT OCCUR, WE'D BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT. AND AS 15 1 MENTIONED ONCE BEFORE---I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING---

16 WE HAVE DEVOTED MANY MORE RESOURCES, FACILITIES, AND

. 17 TRAINING COMMITTED TO INSURING THAT THE PLANT DESIGN, I

l 18 RELIABILITY, CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION, AS WELL AS g 19 THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE OPERATORS, IS SUFFICIENT TO s

j 20 PREVENT SUCH AN EVENT OCCURRING. THANK YOU.

fI 21 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WILLIS.

j 22 FROM F.E.M.A. REGION FOUR, MR. JOHN HERD, CHIEF OF

23 THE TECHNOLOGICAL HAZARDS BRANCH.

24 MR. HERD: THANK YOU, MR. MYERS. I WILL 25 BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE FEDERAL OVERVIEW OF THE PLANNING L.

t P. AGE 31 AND PREPAREDNESS. THE FEDERAL REGISTER OF NOTICE, 2

3. 44-CFR-350, AS PUBLISHED IN THE CODE Of; REGULATIONS 4 ON SEPTEMBER 28, 1983, BECAME EFFECTIVE ON OCTOBER 28, 5 1983. THIS CODE OF[ FEDERAL REGULATIONS IS THE FINAL 6 RULE FOR THE REVIEW AND THE APPROVAL OF STATE AND LOCAL 7 RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS AND PREPAREDNESS.

8 THIS RULE ESTABLISHES THE POLICY FOR THE REVIEW AND g THE APPROVAL BY THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, 10 OR F.E.M.A.---F-E-M-A---FOR THE STATE AND LOCAL EMERGENCY 11 PLANS AND PREPAREDNESS FOR COPING WITH THE OFF-SITE---

12 AND I EMPHASIZE THE OFF-SITE---EFFECTS OF RADIOLOGICAL 13 EMERGENCIES WHICH MAY OCCUR AT A COMMERCIAL NUCLEAR 14 POWER PLANT.

15 ASSISTING THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT 16 AGENCY IN THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF STATE AND LOCAL 17 PLANS IS THE FEDERAL RADIOLOGICAL PREPAREDNESS COORDINAT-g l 18 ING COMMITTEE. THIS COMMITTEE IS A NATIONAL-LEVEL COM-19 MITTEE; AND THE REGIONAL ASSISTANCE COMMITTEE, WHICH j 20 IS KNOW AS THE R.A.C.---R-A-C---IS AT THE---IS THE REGIONAL 21

• COUNTERPART TO THIS NATIONAL COMMITTEE.

1 f 22 MEMBERSHIP ON THESE COMMITTEES CONSISTS OF 23 THE FOLLOWING FEDERAL DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES: THE 24 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, U. S. DEPARTMENT OF 25 ENERGY, THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, THE DEPARTMENT OF

( 1- PAGE 32 2 INTERIOR, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, DEPART-3 MENT OF TRANSPORTATION, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, THE ENVIRON-4 MENTAL , PROTECTION AGENCY, THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COM-5 MISSION, AND THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY.

6 BOTH COMMITTEES, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND THE REGIONAL 7 LEVEL, ARE CHAIRED BY THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT 8 AGENCY. MR. GLENN WOODARD, WHO WILL SPEAK LATER ON 9 THE CRITIQUE COMMENTS, IS THE CHAIRMAN OF REGION 4, 10 REGIONAL ASSISTANCE. COMMITTEE.

11 THE CRITERIA FOR THE REVIEW AND THE APPROVAL 12 0F STATE AND LOCAL RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY PLANS AND 13 PREPAREDNESS, AS MR. KEY INDICATED ON HIS VISUAL PRESEN-14 TATION, IS NEW REG. 0654, OR THE F.E.M.A. REP. 1, RADIO-15 LOGICAL PREPAREDNESS 1, REVISION 1. IT'S A JOINT PUBLI-16 CATION BY THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY AND 17 THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION. IT WAS PUBLISHED g.

18 AND FINAL PUBLICATION WAS IN NOVEMBER, 1980.

19 THERE ARE FIFTEEN PLANNING STANDARDS AND EVALUA-j- 20 TION CRITERIA APPLICABLE TO OFF-SITE PLANNING. ACTUALLY, fa 21 THE NEW REG. ADDRESSES SIXTEEN PLANNING STANDARDS; BUT 3 22 ONE APPLIES ONLY TO THE UTILITY OR CAROLINA POWER &

23 LIGHT ON SITE. FIFTEEN HAVE APPLICATION OFF SITE. I'LL 24 BRIEFLY MENTION THESE.

25 ONE IS THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE RESPONSIBILITY

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AND EFFECTIVELY UTILIZING ASSISTANCE AND RESOURCES; -

6 THE USE OF THE STANDARD' EMERGENCY CLASSIFICATION ACTION 7 LEVELS, WHICH HAVE BEEN MENTIONED HERE BY SEVERAL OTHER 8 SPEAKERS: THE UNUSUAL EVENT, THE ALERT, THE SITE-9 AREA EMERGENCY, AND THE GENERAL EMERGENCY; PROCEDURES to ESTABLISHED FOR NOTIFICATJON BY THE POWER COMPANY OF 11 STATE AND LOCAL RESPONSE ORGANIZATIONS, EMERGENCY PERSON-12 NEL AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC; PROVISIONS FOR PROMPT AND 13 RELIABLE COMMUNICATIONS AMONG RESPONSE ORGANIZATIONS;

(' 14 PROVIDING EMERGENCY INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC ON AN 15 ANNUAL BASIS---MR. WILLIS MENTIONED THE BROCHURE WHICH 16 WILL BE PUBLISHED THIS FALL. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT 17 THAT THAT BE UPDATED AND REPUBLISHED ANNUALLY---HAVING

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19 EMERGENCIES; HAVING ADEQUATE METHODS, SYSTEMS AND EQUIP-20 MENT FOR ASSESSING AND MONITORING ACTUAL OR POTdNTIAL 21 OFF-SITE CONSEQUENCES; PROTECTIVE ACTIONS DEVELOPED 22 FOR EMERGENCY WORKERS; MEANS OF CONTROLLING RADIOLOGICAL 23 EXPOSURE. ARRANGEMENTS MUST BE MADE FOR MEDICAL SERVICES FOR CONTAMINATED AND INJURED INDIVIDUALS. GENERAL 24 26 PLANS SHOULD BE DEVELOPED FOR THE RECOVERY AND REENTRY.

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1 PAGE 34 2 PERIODIC EXERCISES TO BE CONDUCTED---AND MR. WILLIS 3 JUST MENTIONED THE EXERCISE. THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT 4

THE STATE PARTICIPATE IN A FULL-PARTICIPATION OR A 5 FULL-SCALE EXERCISE EACH TWO YEARS AT SOME SITE IN 6 THE STATE---NORTH CAROLINA HAS THREE---BRUNSWICK, MCGUIRE, 7 AND NOW SHEARON HARRIS---AND A PARTIAL PARTICIPATION 8 EXERCISE WHICH INVOLVES FULL PARTICIPATION BY LOCAL 9 GOVERNMENTS EVERY TWO YEARS. THE STATE WILL BE PARTICI-10 PATING FULL SCALE AT ONE OF THE THREE SITES EVERY TWO 11 YEARS. LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WILL BE PARTICIPATING AT 12 LEAST EVERY TWO YEARS AT THEIR OWN RESPECTIVE SITES.

13 ALSO, THAT RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE 14 TRAINING MUST BE PROVIDED. LAST, FOR THE PLAN DEVELOP-15 MENT AND PERIODIC REVIEW OF THE PLAN. THERE IS A REQUIRE-16 MENT THAT THE PLAN BE REVIEWED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

17 THE PLANS ARE DEVELOPED BY STATE AND LOCAL l

. 18 ASSISTANCE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGIONAL 0FFICIALS.

19 ASSISTANCE COMMITTEE, IF REQUESTED. PLANS ARE SUBMITTED j 20 TO THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY AND TO THE j

i 21 REGIONAL ASSISTANCE COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW TO ASSURE f 22 THAT THE FIFTEEN PLANNING STANDARDS OF 0654 WHICH I

s l 23 JUST MENTIONED ARE MET. PLANS ARE REVIEWED BY THE 24 REGIONAL ASSISTANCE COMMITTEE AND THE F.E.M.A. REGIONAL 25 STAFF. APPROPRIATE PLANNING STANDARDS OF 0654, F.E.M.A.

1 PAGE 35 2 REP 1, ARE ASSIGNED TO.THE VARIOUS R.A.C.-MEMBER AGENCIES, 3 COMPATIBLE WITH THAT AGENCY'S RESPONSIBILITIES, FOR THEIR 4 REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND IDENTIFICATION OF DEFICIENCIES 5 WITHIN THE PLAN, IF ANY.

6 PLAN REVIEW COMMENTS AND DEFICIENCIES ARE SENT

7. TO THE STATE FOR PLAN MODIFICATIONS. THE PLAN IS THEN 8 REVISED AND FORMALLY SUBMITTED TO F.E.M.A. FOR FORMAL 9 REVIEW AND ACCEPTANCE. THE REVISED OR FORMALLY SUBMITTED 10 PLAN IS AGAIN REVIEWED BY THE F.E.M.A. STAFF AND THE 11 REGIONAL ASSISTANCE COMMITTEE. IF ADDITIONAL CORRECTIONS 12 ARE NEEDED, AND THEY SELDOM ARE AFTER THE FIRST CORRECTION S 13 ARE MADE THAT WE INDICATED IN THE FIRST REVIEW, THE COR-

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' RECTIONS OR THE ADDITIONS TO THE PLAN ARE MADE; AND THE 14 15 PLAN IS SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT 16 AGENCY'S NATIONAL OFFICE FOR THEIR REVIEW AND THE REVIEW 17 AND APPROVAL OF THE FEDERAL RADIOLOGICAL PREPAREDNESS g

COORDINATING COMMITTEE WHICH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,

l. 18 19 CONSISTS OF THE SAME FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT I OUTLINED.

.;j 20 WHEN THIS IS APPROVED, IT IS SENT TO THE NUCLEAR 21 REGULATORY COMMISSION AND BECOMES PART OF THE LICENSING a

f 22 PROCESS. TWO CONDITIONS FOR THE F.E.M.A. APPROVAL OF 23 PLANS ARE REQUIRED. FIRST IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR A 24 SUCCESSFUL EXERCISE WHICH HAS BEEN CONDUCTED OVER THE 25 PAST TWO DAYS. THE SECOND IS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN l'

l 1 PAGE 36 2 A MEETING, WHICH IS OCCURRING RIGHT AT THIS TIME. THE 3 SUCCESSFUL JOINT EXERCISE, INVOLVING THE POWER COMPANY, 4 CAROLINA POWER S LIGHT, AND STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS 5 MUST BE CONDUCTED. PLANS ARE AMENDED IF DEFICIENCIES 6 ARE NOTED. BEFORE THE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED TO THE F.E.M.A.

7 REGIONAL DIRECTOR---BEFORE THE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED, THE 8 F.E.M.A. REGIONAL DIRECTOR SHALL ASSURE THAT THERE HAS 9 BEEN A PUBLIC MEETING CONDUCTED IN THE VICINITY OF THE 10 POWER PLANT.

11 THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING, RIGHT HERE NOW, 12 IS TO ACQUAINT THE PUBLIC WITH THE CONTENT OF STATE AND

,, ; 13 LOCAL PLANS AND WITH THE CONTENT OF THE JOINT EXERCISE L.

14 WHICH TESTED THE PLANS; TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT 15 THE F.E.M.A. REVIEW OF THE PLANS AND THE EXERCISE AND 16 TO RECEIVE SUGGESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC CONCERNING IMPROVE-g 17 MENTS OR CHANGES THAT MAY BE NECESSARY; TO DESCRIBE TO THE l 18 PUBLIC THE WAY IN WHICH THE PLAN IS EXPECTED TO FUNCTION 19' IN THE EVENT OF AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY.

j 20 THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY REGIONAL i

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21 DIRECTOR AND HIS STAFF WILL THEN EVALUATE EACH OF THE d 22 FIFTEEN PLANNING STANDARDS MENTIONED EARLIER, INCLUDING ir 23 THE RESULTS OF THE EXCERISE, AND FORWARD STATE AND LOCAL 24 PLANS TO THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT HEADQUARTERS.

25 PLANS ARE AGAIN REVIEWED BY THE F.E.M.A. HEADQUARTERS

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1 PAGE 37 2 AND THE FEDERAL RADIOLOGICAL PREPAREDNESS COORDINATING 3 COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE IF THE PLANS AND PREPAREDNESS ARE 4 ADEQUATE TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC 5 LIVING IN THE VICINITY OF THE HARRIS NUCLEAR PLANT BY 6 PROVIDING A REASONABLE ASSURANCE THAT APPROPRIATE PRO-7 TECTIVE MEASURES CAN BE TAKEN OFF SITE IN THE EVENT OF 8 A RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY; AND, SECONDLY, THAT PLANS ARE 9 CAPABLE OF BEING IMPLEMENTED TO INCLUDE THE ADEQUACY AND 10 MAINTENANCE OF THE PROCEDURES, . SUFFICIENT TRAINING, SUFFI-11 CIENT RESOURCES, ADEQUATE STAFFING LEVELS, AND QUALIFI-12 CATIONS OF THE STAFF; AND THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE EQUIP-13 MENT.

14 ONCE THESE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET, THE FEDERAL 15 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR IN WASHINGTON 16 SHALL CONCURRENTLY COMMUNICATE THIS F.E.M.A. APPROVAL 17 TO THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, TO THE g

NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION, AND THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY l 18 19 MANAGEMENT AGENCY REGIONAL DIRECTOR IN ATLANTA, AND SHALL h

j 20 IMMEDIATELY PUBLISH IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER A NOTICE TO e

21 THIS EFFECT.

1 f 22 NOW, IF NOT SATISIFED OR THE PLANS ARE DIS-2 APPROVED, THE SAME PROCEDURE FOR INFORMING THE VARIOUS l 23 24 PARTIES IS FOLLOWED. APPROVAL COULD BE WITHHELD UNTIL 25 THE PLANS ARE REVIEWED AND REVISED AND FOUND ADEQUATE.

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' I AGE 38 2 AND, LASTLY, ANY INTERESTED PERSON MAY APPEAL THE DECISION 3 WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF THE NOTIFICATION IN THE 4 FEDERAL-REGISTER.0F THE APPROVAL OR THE DISAPPROVAL.

5 NOW, THE APPEAL LETTER SHALL STATE SPECIFIC 6 REASONS FOR THE APPEAL AND INCLUDE AN OFFER TO PROVIDE 7 DOCUMENTATION SUPPORTING APPELLATE ARGUMENTS.

8 THIS HAS BEEN A VERY BRIEF, GENERAL OVERVIEW -

9 OF THE FEDERAL ACTIONS TAKEN. THIS SUMMARIZES THE F.E.M.A .

10 PLAN REVIEW AND THE APPROVAL

• PROCESS. THANK YOU.

11 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. HERD.

12 AT THIS TIME, WE ARE GOING TO ANSWER YOUR 13 QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN DOWN EARLIER. HAS ANYONE 14 NOT HAD A CHANCE OR NOT HAD A CARD THAT THEY COULD WRITE 15 DOWN ANY QUESTIONS? IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, 16 RAISE YOUR HAND, OR IF IT HASN'T BEEN COLLECTED, WE WILL 17 DO SO.

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[ THE FIRST QUESTION IS DIRECTED TOWARD MR. JIM 19 WILLIS. "I LIVE WITHIN A MILE OF ONE OF YOUR SIRENS AND j 20 WAS NOT ABLE TO HEAR IT YESTERDAY UNTIL I OPENED THE DOOR, 21 ALTHOUGH SEVERAL WINDOWS IN MY HOME WERE OPEN. IF I HAD

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-1 23 BEEN, FOR A FACT, A TRUE EMERGENCY AT THE PLANT, I WOULD

r 24 NOT HAVE.BEEN ALERTED. HOW WOULD I HAVE KNOWN? I WOULD 25 HAVE BEEN AS GOOD AS HANDICAPPED." I'LL GIVE YOU THE h.

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.PAGE 39 2 QUESTION, IF YOU WANT IT.

3 MR. WILLIS: I MAY HAVE TO GET A JOINT RESPONSE 4 HERE FROM GLENN WOODARD OR RUSSELL CAPPS. I SAY " RUSSELL 5 CAPPS." I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS---WHAT COUNTY THIS IS 6 IN. I MIGHT SAY, THAT THE DESIGN OF THE SIRENS ARE IN 7 ACCORDANCE WITH REGULATIONS FOR A SOURCE LEVEL OR THE 8 DEGREE OF THE NOISE THAT THESE SIRENS PUT OUT AND THE 9 SYSTEM DESIGN IS SUCH THAT THEY PROVIDE COVERAGE, AND 10 IN MANY CASES OVERLAPPING COVERAGE, TO PROVIDE A SUF-11 FICIENT NOISE LEVEL FOR ALERTMENT.

• - 12 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES 13 WERE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND I BELIEVE I PROBABLY V 14 CAN'T COMMENT ON IT ANY MORE THAN THAT WITHOUT SOME FURTHE R 15 INVESTIGATION. IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME 16 AND ADDRESS, WE'D CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THIS.

17 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: I LIVE JUST OVER l

l 18 THE BORDER INTO CHATHAM COUNTY ON STATE ROAD 1008, AND 18 THERE ARE SIRENS ON EITHER SIDE OF ME. ONE IS APPROXI-j 20 MATELY A MILE'AWAY AND THE OTHER IS ABOUT A MILE AND A 21 HALF OR TWO MILES DOWN THE ROAD, THE OTHER SIDE. THIS j 22 IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE HEARD IT AT ALL; AND THE i

r 23 ONLY REASON I OPENED THE DOOR WAS BECAUSE THE DOG WAS 24 STARTING TO HOWL, EVEN THOUGH I KNEW THE SIRENS WERE GOING 25 TO BE TESTED. MY HEARING IS FINE, I KNOW. IT JUST

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2 WORRIED ME; BECAUSE HAD I BEEN ASLEEP, I WOULD NOT HAVE 3 HEARD IT. HAD IT REALLY BEEN AN EMERGENCY AND NOT JUST 4 A TEST, YOU KNOW, I. DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

5 MR. WILLIS: JUST OUT OF INTEREST, WAS THERE 6 ANY DIFFERENT---DID YOU HEAR THE SIRENS WHEN THEY WERE 7 TESTED EARLIER, I THINK A MONTH OR SO AGO OR MAYBE A COUPLE 8 OF MONTHS? YOU DIDN'T HEAR THEM AT ALL7 .

8 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: NO.

10 MR. WOODARD: 1 MIGHT CAN COMMENT ON THAT. THAT 11 IS IN MY COUNTY, AND THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS 12 RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AREA YESTERDAY. AND THEY REPORTED 13 TO ME YESTERDAY AFTERNOON---I BELIEVE IT'S THAT PARTICULAR 14 SIREN---WAS NOT AS LOUD AS THE OTHERS. SO, EVIDENTLY, 15 THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT PARTICULAR ONE---IF THAT'S 16 THE SAME ONE THAT HE-- .

17 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: HOW CAN I BE SURE l

18 l THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE?

18 I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOU SAY YOU TEST THEM) BUT---THE PLACE J 20 IS KIND OF RURAL OUT THERE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE.

21 MR. WILLIS: THEY ARE TESTED PERIODICALLY, AND f 22 THERE ARE BACKUP SYSTEMS TO GET ALERTMENT, ALTHOUGH I 23 SUPPOSE IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME TO GET OUT TO THE RURAL 24 AREAS. WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT PARTICULAR SIREN 25 OR SIRENS THAT ARE IN YOUR VICINITY AND SEE IF THERE IS k

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SOMETHING DEFECTIVE ABOUT THEM.

3 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: HE HAS MY CARD.

4 AND IT'S NOT THAT SIREN, BECAUSE WE LIVE RIGHT IN NEW 5

HILL WITHIN ONE-AND-THREE-QUARTERS TO THREE MILES. AND 6

SOME OF THE NAMES---! HAVE 51 NAMES.0F PEOPLE THAT SAY 7

THEY WOULD NOT BE WOKEN UP. WHEN THEY ARE IN THE HOUSE, 8 UNLESS THEY GO BY THE WINDOW OR DOOR, THEY CANNOT HEAR 8 IT; AND THAT'S RIGHT IN NEW HILL.

10 MR. WILLIS: THIS IS FROM THE SOUNDING OF THE 11 SIRENS THAT WAS DONE ON SATURDAY?

12 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: RIGHT. SEE, WE 13 DIDN'T THINK MUCH ABOUT IT WHEN THEY WERE TESTING THEM;

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14 BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WASN'T FULL-BLAST. BUT FRIDAY AND t

15 SATURDAY, IT WASN'T ANY BETTER, AND THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS 16 US, YOU KNOW. WE ARE NOT PROTESTING THE PLANT OR ANY-17 WE JUST WANT TO HAVE THE SIRENS LOUD ENOUGH TO

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l 18 WAKE US UP IF WE HAVE TO BE WOKE UP. AND IN THE WINTER-I8 TIME, IF YOU ARE IN THERE AND THE T.V.'S ON, WITH KIDS, j 20 YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR THEM.

o 21 MR. WILLIS: WAS THAT TRUE BOTH FRIDAY AND f 22 SATURDAY?

I 23 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: THAT'S BEEN TRUE r

24 EVERY TIME.

25 1 BELIEVE THERE WAS A PROBLEM ON MR. WILLIS:

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I PAGE 42 2 FRIDAY, IN THAT THE SIRENS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ACTIVATED 3 WHEN WE THOUGHT. BUT SATURDAY, I BELIEVE THEY WERE 4

ACTIVATED.

5 YOU SAY YOU HAVE A CARD HERE THAT WILL GIVE 6 US SOME INFORMATION? ,1 7 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: I HAVE ONE LADY'S l 8 NAME, THAT SHE LAVES WITHIN THREE-TENTHS OF THE SIREN; 9 AND SHE SAID THAT, IF SHE WAS IN HER BEDROOM ASLEEP, SHE 10 WOULD NOT HAVE HEARD IT. THEN THE PEOPLE---MOST OF THESE 11 PEOPLE LIVE ON OLD NO. 1, 1141, AND THEY LIVE WITHIN A 12 MILE OF THE SIREN FROM FRIENDSHIP. AND THEY SAID THEY 13 WOULD NOT HEAR IT.

14 MR. WILLIS: I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE GETTING 15 YOUR LIST. I ASSUME THAT YOU DID NOT SUDMIT THE LIST 16 WITH THE CARD 7 17 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: I GAVE THEM THE l

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19 MR. WILLIS: BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM THE LIST 7 20 FdMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT:

NO.

21 MR. WILLIS: l'D LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT f 22 LIST, IF i COULD.

i: 23 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: l'LL DE GLAD TO.

24 MR. WILLIS: WE'LL MOST CERTAINLY LOOK INTO 25 IT AND GET DACK TO YOU.

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1 PAGE 43 2 MR. MYERS: MR. HERD, I BELIEVE, CAN COMMENT 3 ON THIS ALSO.

4 MR. HERD: I BELIEVE THE FIRST QUESTION WAS ,

6 ADDRESSED TO MR. WILLIS AND TO THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANA-l I MIGHT SAY THIS ABOUT THE ALERT NOTIF1-6 GEMENT AGENCY.

7 CATION SYSTEM. WE HAVE NOT OFFICIALLY TESTED THE ALERT e NOTIFICATION SYSTEM. THAT IS A FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGE-9 MENT AGENCY RESPONSIBILITY. WE'VE TESTED SOME OF THE 10 SYSTEMS IN THIS REGION. WE HAVE NOT, OF COURSE, TESTED

! 11 THOSE SITES THAT ARE NOT ON LINE YET. THERE WILL BE AN 12 0FFICIAL TESTING OF THE ALERT NOTIFICATION SYSTEM, FOLLOWE )

13 BY AN EXTENSIVE TELEPHONIC SURVEY OF THE PEOPLE RESIDING 14 WITHIN THE 10-MILE EMERGENCY PLANNING ZONE. IF THE RESULT S 15 0F THE TELEPHONIC SURVEY RESULTS THERE ARE VOIDS OR BLANKS 18 OR DEAD SPOTS WITHIN THE ALERT NOTIFICATION SYSTEM, OF

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0 is ^T THIS TIME, Co"ouCTEo THAT TEST VET-0 19 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: IS THERE ANY WAY 20 THEY COULD 00 IT SOME NIGHT? YOU KNOW, JUST TELL US THAT p

21 DURING A WEEK AND NOT TELL US THE NIGHT THAT THEY'RE GOING v

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24 MR. HERD! THE TIME OF THE OFFICIAL TEST MAKES ,

26 NO DIFFERENCE TO THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY.

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i 1 PAGE 44 2 THE TIMES OF THE OFFICIAL TESTS WILL BE DETERMINED BY 3 THE STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS AND---MUTUALLY AGREED UPON, 4 I SHOULD SAY, BY THE STATE, LOCAL OFFICIALS AND THE CAROLINA 5 POWER & LIGHT. YOU CAN EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS IN THAT 6 REGARD, BUT THEY WILL DETERMINE WHEN THE TEST IS GOING TO 7 BE CONDUCTED.

8 I MIGHT ALSO SAY---MR. WILLIS ALLUDED OR MEN-9 T10NED THIS BRIEFLY---THERE ARE RECURRING TESTS; THERE 10 ARE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY REQUIREMENTS THAT

11 THERE BE FULL-CYCLE TESTS, GROWL TESTS OF THE SYSTEM.

12 MOST OF THE---OR SOME OF THE UTILITIES IN THIS REGION 13 HAVE GONE TO A MONTHLY, FULL-CYCLE TEST. 50, YOU MAY -

14 BE HEARING THEM---YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY BE HEARING THE 15 SIRENS ON A MONTHLY BASIS, OR THEY COULD BE TESTED ON 16 A MONTHLY BASIS. BUT YOU WILL---THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT y 17 NOTIFICATION OF THE OFFICIAL TEST WHEN IT IS TO BE CON-18 DUCTED. AS I SAY, IT'S NOT SCHEDULED AT THE CURRENT TIME; 19 BECAUSE THAT PLANT IS NOT ON LINE AND THERE ARE PLANTS

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21 MR. MYERS: I BELIEVE I HAVE YOUR QUESTION HERE, 22 MRS. O'BRIANT7 l'LL READ IT AND SEE 1F IT'S COVERED HERE.

23 "WOULD YOU ADD MORE SIRENS IF THE PEOPLE IN NEW HILL.CANNO T l 24 HEAR THEM WELL ENOUGH TO BE AWAKENED DURING THE NIGHT 7 26 I HAVE 51 NAMES OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ONE-AND-THREE-QUARTER l

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PAGE 45 2 MILES TO FIVE MILES OF THE PLANT THAT CANNOT HEAR THE 3 SIRENS WELL ENOUGH. WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AND INSIST THAT 4 SIRENS BE ADDED7" AND THIS WAS THE OUEST10N DIRECTED 6 TO YOU.'

6 THE NEXT QUESTION, I THINK, 15 DIRECTED TO MR. .

7 CAPPS. "WHAT WERE THE JOBS OF THE VOLUNTEER RESCUE SQUADS 8 THAT WERE DISPATCHED TO THEIR STAGING AREAS? WE WERE 9 INFORMED WE WERE TO HELP WITH THE EVACUATION OF AMBU-10 LATORY PATIENTS IN REST HOMES, ET CETERA. INSTEAD, WE 11

- SAT IN THE STAGING AREAS FOR FIVE HOURS, DOING NOTHING.

12 1 DON'T THINK IT WAS WORTH THE EFFORT OF THESE VOLUNTEERS 13 TO PARTICIPATE AND NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THEIR JOBS."

t 14 MR. CAPPS: OKAY. TALKING ABOUT THE RESCUE 15 SQUADS, THE RESCUE SQUADS---IN THE EVENT WE ACTUALLY DID 16 EVACUATE THE PEOPLE---WOULD BE UTILIZED. THE RESCUE SQUADS 17 THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE STAGING AREA YESTERDAY WERE THCRE g

l 18 FOR THE PURPOSE OF ASSURING US THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO 19 HAVE ACCESS TO ADEQUATE NUMBERS OF VEHICLES AND PEOPLE j 20 TO EVACUATE SUCH THINGS AS THE LARGE NURSING HOMES, THE o

21 REST HOMES AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THAT AREA WHO MIGHT NEED a

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23 SINCE WE DID NOT ACTUALLY EVACUATE THESE PEOPLE 24 YESTERDAY, THEY DID NOT CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES YESTERDAY; 25 BUT WE DID ASSURE OURSELVES THAT ADEQUATE NUMBERS OF l

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1 PAGE 46 2 VEHICLES AND PERSONNEL WERE AVAILABLE, SHOULD THIS BE 3 DIRECTED TO HAPPEN.

4 WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTidN? DOES THAT GET IT?

5 MALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: NO, SIR. I WAS 6

THERE YESTERDAY WITH THE RESCUE SQUAD. IN THE EVENT---

7 WE KNOWED IT WAS JUST A PRACTICE, BUT WE DID SIT THERE 8 FOR FIVE HOURS. AND WE WCRE INFORMED THAT WE---EITHER 8 BOY SCOUTS OR SOMEBODY WOULD BE THERE, JUST SO WE COULD 10 PRACTICE. YOU KNOW HOW MANY RESCUE SQUADS THERE ARE IN 11 THE COUNTY. WE WERE DISPATCHED THERE AT EIGHT O' CLOCK 12 IN THE MORNING; AND, LIKE I SAID, WE SAT THERE FOR FIVE 13 HOURS. IT DOES SEEM THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIND OUT 4

14 IF WE COULD DO OUR JOBS TO EVACUATE THE REST HOMES OR 15 AMBULATORY PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOMES, IF*WE COULDN'T 16 PRACTICE. I MEAN, WE WERE THERE READY TO GO. SEVERAL 17 RESCUE SQUADS WERE THERE FOR NO REASON, REALLY, EXCEPT l

l 18 JUST TO FIND OUT IF WE COULD GET THERE.

I8 MR. CAPPS: OKAY, HAD THE SCENARIO YESTERDAY j 20 HAVE CALLED FOR THE EVACUATION OF ONE OF THESE SPECIAL 21 PLACES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT RESCUE UNITS WOULD BE

.f 22 NEEDED, YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN DISPATCHED TO THAT ir 23 LOCATION. BUT SINCE THE SCENARIO DID NOT CALL FOR THESE 24 PARTICULAR PLACES THAT NEEDED YOUR ASSISTANCE TO BE EVAC-25 UATED, IT WAS PLAYED ACCORDING TO THE SCENARIO YESTERDAY.

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1 PAGE 47 2 THAT'S PROBABLY THE REASON THAT YOU WERE NOT ACTUALLY 3 DISPATCHED TO THAT LOCATION. HOWEVER, IT WAS VERY IMPOR-4 TANT THAT YOU BE AT THE STAGING AREA AND BE AVAILABLE 5 AS A RESOURCE; AND YOU WERE A KEY PART IN OUR EXERCISE, 6 EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE BEEN BORED YOURSELF. AND WE 7 REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR BEING AVAILABLE.

8 MR. MYERS: THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO FOR YOU, 9 RUSSELL. "I UNDERSTAND THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS IN 10 APEX, FUQUAY AND SANFORD FOR AN EVACUATION PLAN, BUT 11 NONE IN NEW HILL ITSELF. WHY?"

12 MR. CAPPS: OKAY, l'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT TYPE 13 0F MEETINGS THIS WOULD BE. THE ONLY MEETINGS THAT WE, 14 THE WAKE COUNTY ORGANIZATIONS, HAVE HAD HAS BEEN TRAIN-15 ING PROGRAMS FOR OUR PERSONNEL WHO WILL DE INVOLVED IN 16 THE VARIOUS FUNCTIONS TO DE CARRIED OUT IN ADMINISTERING

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l 18 WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS FOR THIS PUR-19 POSE, BUT THE ONLY MEETINGS THAT I KNOW OF WERE FOR TRAIN -

j 20 ING PURPOSES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD DE INVOLVED IN 21 THE EXERCISE YESTERDAY AND IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WERE d 22 NEEDED IN A REAL SITUATION. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME l 23 MEETINGS HELD, BUT NONE THAT WERE SPONSORED BY WAKE COUNTY, 24 THAT l'M AWARE OF, OTHER THAN THESE FOR THE TRAINING 25 PURPOSES. DOES THIS ANSWER THE QUESTION?

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1 PAGE 48 2 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: WILL THERE BE7 3 MR. CAPPS: YES, I THINK THAT PERHAPS NEXT YEAR, 4 SOMETIME BEFORE THE PROGRAM GOES ON LINE, IT WOULD DE 5 VERY GOOD IF WE KNEW OF GROUPS SUCH AS YOURS THAT WERE 6 INTERESTED IN HAVING US OUT IN YOUR AREA TO SPEAK AND 7 TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND TO GO OVER OUR PLAN, TO RE-8 ASSURE YOU THAT WE DO HAVE WHAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO HAVE 9 IN PLACE. WE'D BE VERY DELIGHTED TO DO THAT. 1 THINK 10 THAT IT NEEDS TO DE DONE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE TIME THAT ,

11 THE PLAN GOES ON LINE, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THE EXERCISES 12 WILL BE MODIFYING VARIOUS THINGS A LITTLE BIT TO TRY TO  !

13 MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. AND AS THE RESULT OF THIS CRITIQUE 14 AND OTHERS THAT WE'LL DE HAVING ON OUR OWN, WE MAY COME 15 UP WITH THINGS THAT WILL MAKE IT DETTER. .

10 MR. MYERS: "WHO DECIDES WHEN THE PUBLIC IS 17 INFORMED AND ON WHAT CRITERIA IS THIS DECISION MADE7 HOW 18 ARE PEOPLE NOTIFIED WHO ARE OUT OF EAR-SHOT OF THE SIRENS 7 19 ARE THERE PEOPLE WITHIN STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO

.. 20 UNDERSTAND HOW NUCLEAR REACTORS WORK, SO THEY WOULD UNDER-21 STAND WHAT ACTUAL CONDITIONS MEAN AND THEIR IMPLICATIONS?

22 AND WHEN WILL SCHOOL CHILDREN EVACUATION PLANS DE TESTED 7 h

23 WHAT DIRECTION AND CONTROL WILL DE TAKEN IN CASE OF RAPID 24 ESCALATION OF EMERGENCY CONDITIONS?"

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1 PAGE 49 2 "WHO DECIDES WHEN THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED AND BY WHAT 3 CRITERIA IS THIS DECISION MADE?" MR. KEY?

4 MR. KEY: THE CRITERIA FOR INFORMING THE PUBLIC c

6 IS WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARTICULAR SITUATION IS WORSEN- i 6 ING AND WE NEED TO ALERT THE PUBLIC FOR A STAND-BY SIT-7 UATION. AN EXAMPLE, YESTERDAY IN THE EXERCISE, WE DIDN'T 8 GO TO THE PUBLIC UNTIL AFTER WE GOT PAST THE ALERT STAGE; 9 AND IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THE SITUATION IN THE SCENARIO to WAS GETTING ANY BETTER. SO, WE WENT OUT ON THE C.B.S.

11 SYSTEM AND INFORMED THE PUBLIC THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM.

12 AND, AS A PRECAUTIONARY MEASURE, WE STARTED OFF EVACUAT-13 ING HARRIS LAKE.

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14 TO ASK "WHAT CRITERIA," THERE ARE MANY CRITERIA.

16 WHAT WE 00, AS 1 TOLD YOU EARLIER ON IN THE STATE PLAN, 16 WHEN WE RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM CPCL, THESE THIRTEEN  ;

17 LEADERS GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THE CRITERIA AND SEE l

l 18 IF IT IS TO THAT STAGE. OUR SCIENTIFIC ADVISOR IS MR.

19 DAYNE BROWN WITH THE STATE RADIATION PROTECTION SECTIONJ j 20 AND, YES, HE IS WELL QUALIFIED, AS QUALIFIED AS ANYBODY a

21 IN THE STATE, TO RESPOND TO THE SCIENTIFIC QUESTIONS CON-d 22 CERNING THE PLANT. HE IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE 23 OPERATIONS OF THE PLANT, AND HE 15 OUR CHIEF SCIENTIFIC 24 ADVISOR.

26 THE SECOND QUESTION, "HOW ARE PEOPLE NOTIFIED 9

i I PAGE 50 2 WHO ARE OUT OF EAR-SHOT OF THE SIRENS?" THAT'S WHY WE 3 HAVE THE BACKUP WARNING SYSTEM, WHERE THE PEOPLE---FIRE, i 4

RESCUE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT---WITH THEIR PUBLIC ADDRESS 6 SYSTEMS GO DOWN THE ROAD; AND EVERY QUARTER-MILE, THEY 6 STOPANDGOTHROUGHTHEMEShAGE, "PLEASE TURN ON YOUR 7

RADIO AND TELEVISION. THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM AT THE PLANT ."

8 THIS IS DONE TWICE TO MAKE CERTAI,N THAT EVERYBODY DOES 8 HEAR IT. IF YOU ARE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND YOU'VE HEARD 10 SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON YOUR OWN RADIO OR TELEVISION, 1 11 WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD ASK YOUR NElGHBOR.

12 i THINK THE THIRD ONE DOWN, "ARE THERE PEOPLE 13 WITHIN STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHO UNDERSTAND HOW NUCLE AR

( 14 REACTORS WORK 7"---! THINK l'VE ANSWERED THAT.

16 "WHEN WILL SCHOOL SHELTERING AND EVACUATION 16 PLANS BE TESTED 7" IF YOU ARE A MOTHER OR A FATHER AND 17 WE DID A PHYSICAL EVACUATION OF YOUR CHILDREN, 1 DON'T l

l 18 KNOW WHICH WOULD BE THE WORST, HEARING FROM YOU FOR NOT -

18 GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS OR HEARING FROM YOU FOR GOING j 20 THROUGH THE MOTIONS. IT HAS A LOT TO 00 WITH THE NUMBER 21 0F SCHOOL DAYS IN THE YEAR. AND TO PHYSICALLY TAKE 22 THEM OUT OF SCHOOL AND MOVE THEM TO ANOTHER LOCATION DOES 23 CREATE A PROBLEM.

24 IT SAYS, "WHAT DIRECTION OR CONTROL WILL BE 26 "

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v 1 PAGE 51 2 THAT'S ALL ENCOMPASSED WITHIN THE PLAN. IT HAPPENED 3 YESTERDAY IN THE SCENARIO. WE WENT FROM WHAT WE THOUGHT 4 WAS A STABLE POSITION INTO AN ESCALATED POSITION VERY 5 RAPIDLY, AND IT WAS HANDLED, AND HANDLED WELL. NO CHANGE 6 IN DIRECTION AND CONTROL. YOU JUST---THE PLANS ARE IN  :

7 THERE FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, FROM A VERY MINOR, UNUSUAL 8 EVENT ALL THE WAY UP TO GENERAL EMERGENCY. 50, THE DIRECT 10N 9 AND CONTROL DOES NOT CHANGE.

i 10 BETSY LINTISS7 11 MS. LINTISj: YES. I THINK---IT'S POSSIBLE---

12 IT SEEMED LIKE THE EMERGENCY SCENARIO THIS TIME WAS A 13 VERY SLOW ESCALATION, AND IT SEEMS TO ME VERY POSSIBLE 14 THAT A GENERAL EMERGENCY COULD DE CALLED WITHIN AN HOUR.  !

15 1 KNOW DURING OBSERVATION THAT IT TOOK MAYBE UP TO A HALF-16 HOUR FOR JUST THE KEY PEOPLE AND THE EMERGENCY OPERATING 17 CENTER'S PERSONNEL TO DE NOTIF IED. AND 1 DON'T SEE HOW l

l 18 YOU CAN GET ALL THOSE PEOPLE MOBILIZED IF THE EMERGENCY 19 RESONSE IS MUCH LESS THAN TWO OR THREE HOURS.

j 20 MR. KEY: l'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT LAST PART. IF WHU WAS NOTIFIED?

21 f 22 MS. LINTISS: WELL, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED i 23 TO BE NOTIFIED---IF THEY COULD BE NOTIFIED PHYSICALLY, 24 BETWEEN A ONE, TWO, THREE-HOUR SCENARIO AND A VERY RAPID 25 ESCALATION.

7 I PAGE 52 l 2 MR. KEY: WE ARE SUPPOSED TO, AND HAVE SHOWN l 3 AND DEMONSTRATED, THAT WE CAN NOTIFY ALL ZONES WITHIN 4 ~

FORTY-FIVE MINTUES. THAT'S WITH BACKUP.

5 MS. LINTISS: BUT THAT WOULD NOT MOBILIZE THEM.

6 THEY WOULD ONLY BE NOTIFIED.

7 THAT'S FROM THE TIME OF NOTIFICATION MR. KEY:

8 TILL ENDING THEIR ROUTES, FORTY-FIVE, MINUTES. NOW, IF 8 YOU'RE SAYING IF A PLUME EXPOSURE WENT IMMEDIATELY, THEN 10 WE WOULD GO BACK TO OUR EARLIER ACTION THAT I TOLD YOU II ABOUT, IN-PLACE SHELTER. THERE WOULD BE A TIME WHEN WE 12 COULD NOT EVACUATE THE PEOPLE.

13 MS. l.INTISS: WERE ALL THOSE ROUTES COMPLETED 14 WITHIN FORTY-FIVE MINUTES?

15 MR. KEY: TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY WERE. THEY 16 WERE REPORTED BACK THAT THEY WERE COMPLETE WITHIN THAT 17 TIME, YES. I DID NOT PHYSICALLY SEE THEM, BECAUSE I WAS

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18 MR. MYERS: THE NEXT QUESTION, 1 BELIEVE, WILL 20 PROBABLY BE DIRECTED PARTIALLY TO YOU, RUSSELL, AND SOME f

21 0F THE STATE PEOPLE. BEAR WITH ME. l'M READING---THIS 22 IS AWFULLY DIFFICULT TO READ. "I PARTICIPATED AS A PER-23 SON BEING EVACUATED FROM THE HARRIS PLANT AREA; AND FROM 24 THE EXPERIENCE, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. ONE, THE I.D.

26 CLOTHS AND TAGS BLEW OFF SEVERAL VEHICLES, INCLUDING

1 PAGE 53 2 MINE. WILL THESE TAGS BE THE ONES USED IN AN ACTUAL EVAC-l l 3 UAT10N7" 1 DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE--- ,

4 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: l'M THE ONE WHO---

9 l 6 MR, CAPPS: WAS THAT RELATED TO A CONTAMINATION .

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! 6 TAG 7 7 FEMALE AUDIENCF PARTICIPANT: YES.

8 MR. CAPPS: THE CONTAMINATION TAGS USED YESTER-l 9 DAY WERE JUST MAKESHIFT TAGS. IN THE EVENT THAT YOU WERE 10 ORDERED TO BE EVACUATED FROM THE AREA, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE 11 A TAG OF AffY KIND. EVERYBODY WOULD DE TOTALLY EVACUATED.

1 12 YOU WOULON'T HAVE TO HAVE A TAG. IF YOU PASSED THROUGH 13 ONE OF THE DECONTAMINATION PolNTS ALONG YOUR ROUTE AND 14 IT WAS FOUND THAT YOUR VEHICLE WAS CONTAMINATED OR THE 16 PERSON WAS CONTAMINATED, THEN THE VEHICLE WOULD DE TAGGED; l 16 IT WOULD DE DECONTAMINATED; AND, IF NECESSARY, IMPOUNDED i

j 17 AND KEPT THERE. ALSO, THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO TAKE l 18 CARE OF THE PERSONNEL IN THE VEHICLE WOULD DE TAKEN CARE.

19 OUT YOU WOULD NOT START OUT WITH A TAG IN THE REAL THING.

J 20 WE WERE PLAYING A GAME YESTERDAY, AND THE TAGS THAT,YOU 21 WERE USING WERE SOMETHING WE WERE USING TO IDENTIFY FOR 22 OUR PURPOSES.

23 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: WHY DIDN'T YOU ,

24 TEST THAT IN THE EVACUATION PROCEDURE 7 25 MR, CAPPS: WHY DIDN'T WE TEST---?

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4 OUT INTO THE MAINSTREAM OR OTHER TRAFFIC, WHICH CARS ARE ,

i 5 THE ONES THAT COME FROM THIS AREA AND WHICH CARS ARE NOT?

l 4 ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THEM'FROM---  ;

7 MR. CAPPS: YES, WE WILL HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL a IN PLACE, AND THE PURPOSE OF TRAFFIC CONTROL IS TO SEE e THAT THE AREAS THAT ARE TO BE EVACUATED ARE THE ONES THAT f l

10 ARE EVACUATED AND THAT PERSONS IN THOSE AREAS ARE DIRECTED l l 11 IN THE PROPER DIRECTION, TOWARD ONE OF THE THREE EVACUATIO 4 i

12 ROUTES, ON WHICH EACH ROUTE THERE IS A DECONTAMINATION ,

13 MONITORING STATION.  ;

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Is ON THAT POINT, I WANT TO ADD, I GOT OFF---! MEAN, 1 MISSED

! le THE DIRECTIONS AT ONE PARTICULAR SPOTJ AND I GOT ALL THE 17 WAY TO DURHAM. AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF j 18 TROOPERS ALONG THE WAY, AND THE DIRECTIONS WERE NOT VERY j

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19 CLEAR. I WAS NOT EVEN IN THAT CONFUSED A STATE OF MIND. l I CAN IMAGINE IF 1 WERE UNDER---YOU KNOW, IF THl$ HAD k 30 21 REALLY HAPPENED. THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WERE 22 CONFUSED, AND THE DIRECTIONS WERE NOT VERY CLEAR AS TO j lj 23 WHERE TO G0. I CAN SEE HOW EASILY SOMEONE COULD GET LOST.

24 MR. CAPPS! IF THERE HAD BEEN A RELEASE, WE  !

s 26 WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THAT. THAT'S INFORMATION THAT [

1 PAGE 55 2 WE WOULD'HAVE KNOWN. AND EVERY VEHICLE COMING FROM THE 3 AREA WHERE A RELEASE MIGHT HAVE AFFECTED THAT AREA WOULD 4 BE STOPPED AND CHECKED. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH ,

5 HAD-THERE BEEN ANY INFORMATION THAT A RELEASE HAD OCCURRED .

6 WE WERE AWARE OF YOUR SITUATION, PROBABLY AFTER IT HAPPENED; 7 AND WE DID DISCUSS THIS. AND WE RAN IT BY THE PROPER i

8 OFFICIALS, AND THEIR INFORMATION WENT TO THE STATE.

9 AND THE INFORMATION WAS, SINCE THERE WAS NO RELEASE, THAT m

10 WE WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT. HOWEVER, IF THIS HAD 11 BEEN A REAL SITUATION, THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOME. I

.12 THING ON THE ROUTE THAT YOU TRAVELED TO DURHAM AND BACK 13 AND WHAT HAVE YOU, TO DO WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY TO TAKE 14 CARE OF THAT SITUATION.

15 BUT IN THE REAL EVENT, IF THERE IS A RELEASE, 16 IF THERE SHOULD EVER BE A RELEASE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED g

17 TO GET OUT OF THAT AREA WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A DECON-l- 18 - TAMINATION MONITORING STATION; AND IT WOULD BE CAUGHT 19 AT THAT POINT.

j 20 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: WHY CAN'T WE TEST i

l- 21 THAT NOW BEFORE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS? IF YOU DON'T PRACTICE a

f 22 IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE PRECAUTIONS ARE TAKEN NOW, S'

l -23 I'M AFRAID THAT IN A REAL EMERGENCY---

24 MR. CAPPS: I DON'T KNOW HOW BETTER TO ANSWER 25 IT THAN I ALREADY HAVE. OUR PEOPLE ARE TRAINED FOR THAT k

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lI' 1 PAGE 56 2 KIND OF THINGjfAND IF THERE.WERE'A RELEASE THAT INDI-3 CATED WE-NEEDED TO TAKE THOSE MEASURES, IT WOULD CER-4- TAINLY BE DONE. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE HAVE THE MOST 5 STRICT TRAFFIC CONTROL SAFETY AND SECURITY MEASURES IN 6 CONNECTION WITH THIS PLAN OF ANY THAT I KNOW OF. AND 7 IF THERE WERE ANY INDICATIONS AT ALL, I CAN ALMOST' ASSURE 8 YOU,- YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO'GET A VEHICLE OUT OF THAT g AREA WITHOUT BEING STOPPED.

10 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU, RUSSELL. THIS NEXT ONE 11 MAY BE DIRECTED TO YOU, ALSO. " COMMENDATIONS TO 12 LIEUTENANT DAVIS O'F THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND RUSSELL 13 CAPPS FOR GOOD EFFORTS. WHEN WILL SCHOOLS IN THE TEN-b 14 - MILE E.P.Z. BE FULLY INFORMED AND TRAINED IN RESPONSE-

-15 TO'AN ORDER FOR IN-PLACE SHELTER? HOW LONG MAY AN IN- -

16 PLACE SHELTER ORDER BE OPERATIONAL? WHAT WILL BE DONE 17 IF BUSNS BREAK DOWN ON THE WAY TO PICK UP OR DELIVER g

18 SCHOOL CHILDREN DURING EVACUATION? WHERE WOULD THEIR l-l 19 REPLACEMENTS COME FROM? HOW ARE COMMUNICATIONS ESTA'BLISHE )

j; M BETWEEN THE'E.O.C.'S OR AGENCIES IF PHONE LINES ARE TIED 21 UP7" 3:

22 MR. CAPPS: OKAY, THE FIRST QUESTION IS, "WHEN i

23. WILL SCHOOLS'IN THE TEN-MILE E.P.Z. BE' FULLY INFORMED....?

24- THEY WILL BE INFORMED OF ALL INFORMATION ALONG WITH THE.

25 GENERAL PUBLIC. NOW, WE HAVE IN EACH SCHOOL IN WAKE COUNT f s,

n i 1 -PAGE 57 2 A TONE-ALERT MONITOR SYSTEM THAT CAN BE ACTIVATED FROM 3 THE SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE, IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER 4 MEANS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SCHOOL PEOPLE WOULD BE 5 IN OUR E.O.C. AND WOULD B'E INFORMED OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

6' IN MANY CASES, IF THERE IS A SITUATION THAT COULD ESCA-7' LATE, THE SCHOOL WILL LIKELY BE THE FIRST ONE TO---THEY 8

MAY EVEN MOVE AHEAD OF US AND TAKE A PRECAUTIONARY EVAC-g UATION WITHOUT WAITING FOR US TO EVACUATE. IN THAT CASE, 10 WE HAVE A SCHOOL PLAN THAT WOULD DESIGNATE EACH SCHOOL.

11 THE CHILDREN WOULD BE TRANSPORTED THROUGH A PLAN THAT 12 THEY HAVE, UTILIZING THEIR ADULT BUS DRIVERS, TO TAKE THESE YOUNGSTERS TO A PARTICULAR SCHOOL. AND AS I UNDER-

-13 14 STAND, IN THESE BROCHURES, THIS WILL BE PRINTED; AND THESE 15 PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHICH SCHOOLS THE CHILDREN FROM VARIOUS 16 SCHOOLS WILL BE TAKEN TO.

- 17 AS TO HOW LONG THEY WILL STAY THERE, THAT DEPENDS.

18 IF THEY HAVE SOMEPLACE ELSE TO GO OUTSIDE THE E.P.Z.,

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j. 20 THEY NEED TO GO.

21 WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF BUSES BREAK DOWN ON THE I

ROAD? THERE ARE ADEQUATE NUMBERS OF BUSES TO REPLACE f 22 23 THEM, AND THERE ARE EXTRA BUSES THAT WILL BE PLACED AT l

24 THE STAGING AREA, THAT WE MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, 25 - THAT WILL BE FOR THE PURPOSE OF GOING WHEREVER NEEDED 9

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3 THEN, THE FINAL QUESTION IS, "HOW IS COMMUNI-4 CATION ESTABLISHED BETWEEN THE E.O.C.'S OR AGENCIES IF 5 PHONE LINES ARE TIED UP?" OKAY, WE HAVE DUPLEX AND THREE 6 WAYS OF GETTING COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN ALL OF OUR POINTS.

7 WE HAVE TELEPHONE WHICH WE USE AS PRIMARY. AND THE REASON 8 WE DO THAT IS TO---IS TO TRY TO KEEP THE PUBLIC FROM BEING g MISINFORMED BY TRAFFIC THEY MIGHT HEAR ON THE RADIO, TWO-10 WAY RADIOS THAT ARE BEING USED. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT 11 THE PHONE LINES FAIL, THE TWO-WAY RADIO SYSTEM IS USED.

12 IF THAT FAILS, WE HAVE HAM RADIO OPERATORS IN OUR E.O.C.

13 AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND WHEREVER NEEDED THAT CAN 14 TALK ANYWHERE IN OUR COUNTY AND TRANSMIT MESSAGES. IN 15 FACT, THEY CAN CALL ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD FROM RIGHT THERE .

16 IN THAT E.O.C. AND WE HAVE BACKUP SYSTEMS FOR THAT.

g 17 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS j 18 OR NOT. DOES IT?

19 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: DO THE SCHOOLS j 20 HAVE A RECEIVING APPARATUS?

21 MR. CAPPS: THEY HAVE THE TONE-ALERT MONITORS

= EACH SCHOOL HAS THE TONE-ALERT MONITOR; lf 22 IN THE SCHOOLS.

l 23 AND THESE SCHOOLS CAN INDIVIDUALLY BE TONED UP.

24 FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: AND YOU CAN COM-25 MUNICATE WITH THEM?

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l- PAGE 59 2 MR. CAPPS: WE CAN'T OURSELVES AT THIS TIME.

3 THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS OFFICE CAN. NOW, OUR PLANS 4' ARE TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN OUR E.O.C. TO COMMUNICATE ON THAT 5 FREQUENCY SO THAT THE SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVE IN-OUR E.O.C.

6 WILL BE ABLE TO TALK DIRECTLY TO SCHOOL PEOPLE FROM OUR 7 E.O.C. HE ALREADY HAS THAT CAPABILITY BY TELEPHONE, BUT 8 WE WILL HAVE A RADIO-BACKUP SYSTEM.

9 YESTERDAY, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAD HAM RADIO OPER-10 ATORS IN SCHOOLS TO FILL THAT VOID, SINCE WE DID NOT HAVE 11 THE SCHOOL RADIO SYSTEM WORKING. .

12 MR. MYERS: WE HAVE ONE MORE HERE ON SCHOOLS.

13 I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED THE FIRST ONE HERE ALREADY. "IS i

14 IT TRUE THAT SOME SCHOOLS, SUCH AS APEX SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL ,

15 HAS TO SEND THEIR SCHOOL BUSES TO EVACUATE THE SCHOOLS 16 AND WAIT FOR OTHER BUSES TO COME AND EVACUATE THEM? DID

.j 17 YOU TEST THIS? DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IT WILL WORK?"

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h 19 HAS A COMMENDATION ON THE BOTTOM OF THfS CARD. IS IT

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i j 21 MR. MYERS: I DID.

I cf 22 MR. CAPPS: -I THINK WE'VE ANSWERED THE FIRST

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25 MR. MYERS: "IS IT TRUE THAT SOME OF THE BUS "W

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I 1 PAGE 60 2 DRIVERS WHO EVACUATE THE CHILDREN WILL BE HIGH SCHOOL 3 STUDENTS?"

4 MR. CAPPS: OKAY. IT'S POSSIBLE HIGH SCHOOL 5 STUDENTS WILL BE USED IF THEY EVACUATE AHEAD OF THE-6 SCHEDULE, AND THERE ARE SOME PLANS THAT IN'SOME CASES 7 THE SCHOOLS MAY BE EVACUATED AHEAD OF ANY OTHER SCHEDULE.

8 THEY WOULD NOT BE UTILIZING HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO DO 9 THIS IN THE EVENT THERE WAS A' DANGER TO THEM. THERE ARE 10 ENOUGH ADULT BUS DRIVERS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND 11 TRAINED FOR THIS PURPOSE. BUT IN THE EVENT THERE WAS 12 NO DANGER TO THEM AND THEY DECIDED, AS AN EARLY PRECAU-13 TIONARY MEASURE, TO MOVE THESE STUDENTS, THEN THE HIGH 14 SCHOOL BUS DRIVERS MAY DO THAT.

15 THE NEXT QUESTION IS, "IS IT TRUE THAT SOME .

16 SCHOOLS, SUCH AS APEX SENIOR HIGH, HAS TO SEND THEIR SCHOOL 4

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18 TO COME TO EVACUATE THEM?" IS THIS SCHOOL IN THE TEN-19 MILE E.P.Z.? IT IS? THIS IS THE SCHOOL YOU'RE TALK-

[ 20 ING ABOUT HERE. I AM NOT THOROUGHLY FAMILIAR WITH ALL 21 OF THE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE SCHOOL BUSES, AND I DON'T-p 22 KNOW IF I HAVE THE FULL ANSWER FOR THAT FOR YOU AT THIS 23 TIME, BUT WE'LL CHECK INTO IT AND BE GLAD TO SUPPLY YOU 24 INFORMATION. WE HAVE YOUR ADDRESS HERE, AND WE CAN PRO-25 VIDE AN ANSWER TO THAT IN WRITING, IF YOU'D LIKE.

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MR. MYERS: I BELIEVE MR. JIM SELF MIGHT CAN 3 ALLUDE TO THAT ANSWER.

4 MR. SELF: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON AL JOYNER.

5 AL JOYNER IS OUR CHIEF PLANNER FOR THE NUCLEAR FACILITIES.

6 AL JOYNER?

7 MR. JOYNER: TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THERE 8 WILL BE. BUSES FROM THE APEX SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL THAT WILL g GO TO THE OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS TO PICK UP KIDS. THE 10 REASONS ARE, MOST OF YOUR BUSES ARE STORED AT YOUR SENIOR 11 HIGH SCHOOLS, ANYWAY. IT'S A MATTER THAT THOSE STUDENTS CAN GET IN THOSE BUSES AND GO TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, 12 PICK UP THE KIDS AND MOVE THE YOUNG KIDS OUT FIRST; AND 13 14 THEN THE BUSES COMING IN, ADULT BUS DRIVERS COMING IN FROM CARY AND ATHENS, WILL EVACUATE THE HIGH SCHOOL PEOPLE, 15 16 THAT'S PART OF THEIR PLAN. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

- 17 AND, YES, WE THINK IT WILL WORK. IN FACT, WE KNOW IT 18 WILL WORK. THERE'S NO PROBLEM THERE. AS FAR AS TESTING

l IT OUT, I THINK MR. KEY ALLUDED TO THAT. AGAIN,-THAT'S 19 A SCHOOL-SYSTEM RESPONSIBILITY. YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU j 20 21 TEST SOMETHING OUT, YOU TRADE OFF A SCHOOL DAY TO DO THAT.

'I 22 SO, IT HAS TO BE THE SCHOOL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THAT

.d 23 DECISION.

f FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: I DON'T UNDER-24 25 STAND ABOUT REPLACEMENT BUS DRIVERS COMING FROM CARY q-I

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3 AT ANY-TIME? WILL THEY BE AVAILABLE IF THEY ARE GOING 4

TO BE TEMPORARY BUS DRIVERS THAT ARE COMING IN?

5 MR. JOYNER: OKAY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, 6

THE PLAN CALLS FOR EVACUATING ALL OF THE SCHOOLS WITHIN 7' THE TEN-MILE E.P.Z. IN ONE LIFT. IT WILL NOT BE A DOUBLE-8 LIFT. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH BUSES 9

WITHIN THE TEN-MILE ZONE THAT THEY' CAN DO THAT IN ONE 10 LIFT. SO, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO OR WHAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM 11 HAS TO DO IS, THEY TAKE THE BEST UTILIZATION OF THE BUSES 12 THEY'VE GOT WITHIN THE SYSTEM. AND THAT'S, I THINK,.A 13 AND IT WILL BE 17 BUSES TOTAL REQUIREMENT OF 88 BUSES.

4 14 THAT WILL HAVE TO COME IN TO MAKE THAT ONE LIFT.

15 NOW, THE LONGEST PERIOD OF TIME---AND THIS INCLUDES 16 ALERTING THE PEOPLE, THE BUS DRIVERS, I'M TALKING ABOUT, j 17 ALERTING THE BUS DRIVERS, GETTING THEM TO THE BUS---AND 18 THESE ARE ADULT BUS DRIVERS THAT WILL COME IN FROM ATHENS 19 AND CARY---ALERTING THE BUS DRIVERS, GETTING THEM INTO 20 THE AREA, LOADING THE KIDS UP, THAT HAS BEEN TESTED; AND 21 THE LONGEST PERIOD OF TIME, I THINK, IS SOMEWHERE AROUND f 22 SIXTY MINUTES TO DO THAT.

l 23 NOW, YOU MUST REMEMBER, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THEIR 24 WHOLE BASIS OF PLANNING, IF WE HAVE TIME, IS PROBABLY TO GO 25 AHEAD AND MAKE WHAT WE CALL A PRECAUTIONARY EVACUATION

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$2 1 2 'EVER BEFORE THE GENERAL EVACUATION WOULD BE CALLED FOR'THE 3 PUBLIC. SO, SOMETIME BEFORE YOU GOT UP TO THE THIRD LEVEL, 4 THE SCHO'OL' SYSTEM MIGHT MAKE THE DECISION TO EVACUATE; AND 5

'THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT IS TO TELL*THE PEOPLE THAT, "LOOK, DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR KIDS. THERE'S A GOOD PLAN IN PLACE; 6

7 THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY...BY THE TIME YOU HEAR OF ANY 8

DANGER THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS, YOUR KIDS WILL ALREADY BE~AT A SCHOOL SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE THE TEN-MILE E.P.Z."

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FOR INSTANCE; THE APEX SCHOOL, APEX SENIOR HIGH, 10 jj-IT'S ALREADY PLANNED---AND.IN THE BROCHURE THAT YOU'WILL 12 RECEIVE, IT WILL STATE IN THERE THAT THE KIDS FROM APEX.

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-16 HIGH SCHOOL,.THAT THAT KID WILL ALREADY BE AT SANDERSON 17 HIGH SCHOOL.

g; FEMALE AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: WELL, HOW---

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19. MR. MYERS: LET ME INTERRUPT JUST A MINUTE.

j 20 WE WANT TO LIMIT ALL QUESTIONS THAT WE---OUR PROCEDURES 21 THAT WE ESTABLISHED EARLIER, ALL QUESTIONS SHOULD BE WRITT EN l

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2 PLANT AS RECENT AS THIS WEEKEND? WHERE WERE THEY SENT AND 3 WHY? HOW MANY TIMES DID THE SIRENS FAIL TO GO OFF? WERE 4 THESE FAILURES FOR REAL OR PART OF THE EXERCISE? HOW 5 MANY TIMES DID THEY FAIL?"

6 MR. WILLIS: I CAN'T COMMENT ON THE DANIEL 7 WORKERS. I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I 8 DO KNOW THAT, I GUESS IN GENERAL, AS YOU GET NEARER TO 9 THE END OF COMPLETION OF A PROJECT, THE NUMBERS AND MIX 0F SKILLS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT CHANG E.

10 11- AND THAT WILL BE AN EVER-CHANGING THING. FOR EXAMPLE, 12 WHEN YOU GET ALL THE CONCRETE POURED, YOU DON'T REALLY 13 NEED CONCRETE POURERS ANY MORE. WHEN YOU GET ALL THE 14 PIPING IN, YOU DON'T NEED PIPEFITTERS ANY MORE. SO, THE 15 COMPOSITION OF WORKERS NEEDED---THAT'S CERTAINLY A POS-16 SIBILITY, BUT I CAN'T COMMENT ON THE SPECIFIC QUESTION.

17 TO MY KNOWLEDGE --I'SAY TO MY " KNOWLEDGE." IT j 18 WAS REPORTED TO ME THAT, ON FRIDAY, THE SIRENS IN WAKE 19 COUNTY, WHEN ACTIVATED, WERE NOT---WERE ACTIVATED IN A j 20 SILENT TEST MODE, RATHER THAN IN AN ALERT MODE. WHEN 21 THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD ACTIVATED THEM, THEY HAD IN 1

,f 22 FACT NOT. MAYBE MR. CAPPS CAN TALK TO THAT. AND, AS t

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25 MR. CAPPS: THAT'S CORRECT. THEY DID NOT OPERATE

c-l PAGE 65 2 ON FRIDAY. I'M NOT SURE OF THE REASON. THAT MAY BE THE 3 REASON, HE STATED. WE DO KNOW THAT WE WORKED THROUGH-4 OUT FRIDAY NIGHT TO ASSURE THAT THEY---IF THERE WERE ANY 5 PROBLEMS, THEY COULD BE CORRECTED; AND THEY WORKED ON 6

BOTH OCCASIONS ON SATURDAY.

7 SINCE THERE IS A CODED SYSTEM FOR ACTIVATING, 8 IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE PERSON WHO ACTIVATED THEM ON THAT 9 OCCASION DID NOT PROPERLY DO IT. SO, MEASURES WERE TAKEN 10 FRIDAY NIGHT TO ASSURE THAT IT WOULD BE PROPERLY DONE 11 ON SATURDAY; AND IT WAS DONE TWICE ON SATURDAY AND IT 12 DID OPERATE.

. 13 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU, MR. CAPPS.

14 THE NEXT QUESTION, I BELIEVE---IT DOES NOT STATE 15 HERE IF THEY WERE DIRECTED TO THE STATE EMERGENCY OPERATING 16 CENTER. I'M SURE ONE OF THEM IS---SAYS THAT, BUT SOME 17 " WAS THE ACTUAL WEATHER SITUATION USED j_ OF THEM DO NOT.

l 18 DURING THE EXERCISE TO DETERMINE: 'A,' THE ABILITY TO 19 COMMUNICATE ACTUAL WEATHER CONDITIONS; 'B,' DECIDING 20 J WHETHER TO SHELTER OR EVACUATE VARIOUS SECTORS OR 'C,'

li 21 THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THUNDERSTORMS, ET CETERA, DURING l

j- 22 AN EMERGENCY?"

l 23 I'LL SAY THAT ON DAY TWO OF THE EXERCISE---

24 I CAN ANSWER THAT---IT WAS A CANNED WEATHER SITUATION.

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3 LADY: HE SAYS HE'LL TAKE A WRITTEN RESPONSE 4 TO THOSE. HE SAYS HE'S GOT SO MANY QUESTIONS, YOU DON'T 5 HAVE TO ANSWER THEM ALL NOW.

6 MR. KEY: WAS THAT ON THE FOLDED PAPER THAT 7 YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, THAT YOU WOULD TAKE WRITTEN RESPONSES?

8 MR. EDDLEMAN: ALL THE ONES I ASKED YOU---I 9 THINK'ABOUT FIFTEEN OF THEM. I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE 10 PEOPLE'S TIME TO GO THROUGH THEM. I'LL TAKE A WRITTEN 11 RESPONSE AND GIVE YOU A BETTER CHANCE.

12 MR. KEY: OKAY. I DO WANT TO REPLY TO THE 13 WEATHER SITUATION ONE. I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND---MAYBE 14 YOU DON'T---WHY WE USED CANNED WEATHER IN THE EXERCISE.

15 AGAIN, THE HORRIBLE SCENARIO THAT WE CAME UP WITH FOR 16 THE SECOND DAY WAS PROBABLY NOT REAL WORLD, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO TEST ALL ASPECTS OF OUR PLANNING AND OPERATIONS, j- 17 18 WE WERE IN. CONTACT WITH THE ACTUAL WEATHER. I DON'T KNOW l

19 WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT, BUT CPSL HAS SOME OF THE BUT

,j 20 BEST WEATHER EQUIPMENT IN THE COUNTRY, PROBABLY.

Ii WE WERE LOOKING AT-REAL WEATHER FOR ANOTHER REASON. EVEN ll is 21

'd 22 THOUGH WE'RE IN THE THROES OF AN EXERCISE, WE HAVE TO STILL BE IN AN OPERATIONAL POSTURE FOR OTHER THINGS; AND

! 23 24 WE WERE LOOKING VERY LONG AND HARD AT THAT THUNDERHEAD 25 COMING THROUGH. SO, WE HAD BOTH CANNED WEATHER AND WE

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WERE IN CONTACT.WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, AS 3 WELL.AS CPSL'S WEATHER.

4 "HOW LONG WERE THERE TELECOPIER DELAYS AND WHAT 5 EFFECT DID THEY HAVE ON THE FLOW OF INFORMATION? WHAT 6 STEPS ARE YOU TAKING TO GET THE COPYING TIME CLOSER TO 7 TWENTY SECONDS?" EARLY IN THE MORNING ON BOTH DAYS, FOR 8

SOME REASON OR OTHER, THE TELECOPIER TRAFFIC WITH CHATHAM 9 WAS DOWN; AND WE THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF OLD TELEPHONE LINES THAT HAD BEEN WET AND HAD NOT DRIED OUT. BUT WHAT WAS 10 SO STRANGE---AND THIS IS REAL OPERATIONS. WHEN YOUR PRIMARY 11 12 DOESN'T WORK,.WE WENT TO MR. RUSSELL CAPPS; AND HE TRANS-13 MITTED, I GUESS BECAUSE HE WAS A LITTLE CLOSER, AND WE 14 GOT THE TELECOPIER MESSAGES THROUGH.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND, TELECOPIERS ARE NOT A PRI-15 MARY; THEY ARE A BACKUP FOR HARD COPY. AND WE DO NOT 16

- 17 HAVE TO WAIT FOR A HARD COPY TO MAKE DECISIONS IF WE'VE j 18 GOTTEN IT OVER A PHONE OR TWO-WAY RADIO.

WHAT STEPS ARE WE TAKING TO GET IT CLOSER TO I 19 20 TWENTY SECONDS? TWENTY SECONDS IS WHAT THE DEALER TELLS lj .

li YOU IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE COPY. IF YOU COULD SEE THE FLOW J.

'a 21 j 22 OF INFORMATION THAT WAS GOING TO THAT TELECOPIER---IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MECHANICS; IT HAD TO DO WITH THE 23 NUMBER OF MESSAGES GOING THROUGH. AGAIN, BACKUP ONLY; 24 25 HARD COPY BACKUP, NOT PRIMARY FOR OPERATIONS.

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2 I'D LIKE TO READ THIS QUESTION:

3 EXERCISE, A STATE OFFICIAL REPORTEDLY SAID AT AN E.O.C.---

4 I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE---THAT, 'IF THIS WdS REAL, I'D GO 5 HOME, GET MY WIFE, AND GET THE...OUT OF DODGE.' A DIRECT 6 QUOTE. WHAT PLANS DO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE BACKUP PERSON-7 NEL TO THE JOBS OF PEOPLE WHO SELF-EVACUATE OR DON'T SHOW 8 UP FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE WORK?"

9 LET ME START OFF FIRST BY SAYING THAT THE GOAL 10 IN THE DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THAT IF SOME-l- .

11 THING HAPPENS ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON, WE'RE GOING TO BE SO ,

12 WELL CROSS-TRAINED THAT, IF WE ARE WITH LIMITED STAFF, l 13 WE CAN STILL GET THE JOB DONE. I'M SURE OTHER STATE 14 AGENCIES ARE DOING THIS, BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT MANY MORE 15 PEOPLE THAN THEY NEEDED TO OPERATE. BUT THEY PUT THEM 16 IN A TRAINING MODE JUST FOR THIS REASON.

17 WE ARE---WE LIVE IN REAL WORLD, AND WE REALIZE I F 18 THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON SUNDAY, THE BIGGEST HOLIDAY 19 OF THE YEAR, FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE OUT OF POCKET. BUT 20 WE CAN STILL OPERATE BECAUSE OF THIS CROSS-TRAINING AND 21 THE INDEPTH TRAINING.

h 22 MR. MYERS: ONE MORE SET HERE---AND WE WILL 23 RESPOND IN WRITING TO YOUR OTHER SEVEN QUESTIONS WE DIDN'T 24 GO OVER. I WANT TO CHECK WITH MS. PESTIN---IS THAT CORREC T?

25 DO YOU VANT US TO GO THROUGH YOURS TODAY OR---?

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i 1 PAGE 69 2 MS. PESTIN: YOU CAN RESPOND IN WRITING.

3 MR. MYERS: IN WRITING? YOU HAD SEVERAL HERE.

4 AND, ALSO, MS, DAVIDSON, DO YOU WANT A RESPONSE IN WRITING; 5 OR DO YOU WANT US TO GO OVER THESE?

6 MS. DAVIDSON: WHICHEVER IS EASIEST FOR YOU.

7 MR. MYERS: I BELIEVE'THEY'RE BASICALLY DIRECTED 8 TOWARDS WAKE' COUNTY?

8 MS. DAVIDSON: TOWARD CARY.

. 10 MR. MYERS: I KNOW, BUT THAT'S IN WAKE COUNTY.

11 "I LIVE IN CARY, TEN MILES FROM THE PLANT. HOW WILL I 12 BE NOTIFIED IN A RADIATION PLUME...." WHAT IS YOUR NEXT----?

13 MS. DAVIDSON: IF IT GOES---HOW WILL I BE NOTI-

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14 FIED IF IT SHOULD GO ELEVEN MILES? AND I DO LIVE WITHIN 15 CARY---

16 MR. MYERS: "WILL THERE BE NO EMERGENCY PLAN I7 FOR THE RESIDENTS LIVING ELEVEN MILES FROM THE PLANT?

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l. 18 IS THERE ANY SIRENS IN CARY TO NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS? WHO 18 MAKES THE DETERMINATION TO SOUND THE ALARMS? SHOULD IT j 20 BE AUTOMATIC WHEN THE RADIATION ESCAPES, LEVELS REGISTER, 21 AND NOT BE LEFT TO HUMAN JUDGMENT? IS THERE ANY HEAD-f 22 QUARTERS IN CARY TO HANDLE EMERGENCY PLANNING? DO YOU i

23 FEEL THE ESCAPED RADIATION WILL SIMPLY STOP AT THE TEN-24 MILE LEVEL? WHO CONTROLS THE SIRENS, THE PLANT OR THE 25 COUNTIES?" I BELIEVE THE COUNTIES CONTROL THE SIRENS, l

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i 4 EXACTLY WHICH EMERGENCY PLAN FOR CARY..." AR$ WE-GOING TO 5 HAVE AN EMERGENCY PLAN FOR CARY? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE i 6 ASKING?

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, 7 MS, DAVIDSON: BASICALLY.

8 MR. MYERS: 1 HAVE A HARD TIME READING YOUR 9 WRITING.

10 "DO YOU THINK YOU ARE PROVIDING CARY RESIDENTS

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11 WITH THE BEST FORM OF EMERGENCY PLANNING?" MR. CAPPS, .

12 WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE? OAYNE, YOU MIGHT 13 WANT TO ADDRESS THESE TEN-MILE ONES.

l(' 14 MR. BROWN: WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION ABOUT 15 WHETHER THE PLUME GOES BEYOND TEN MILES, RATHER OBVIOUSLY, 16 THE PLUME WILL GO AS FAR AS THE WIND WOULD BLOW IT. WE j 17 HAVE THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS FREQUENTLY RELATIVE TO WHY j 18 ONE DRAWS A TEN-MILE BOUNDARY TO THE DETAILED EMERGENCY 19 RESPONSE PLANNING. WITHIN THE STATE, WE FIND OURSELVES 3 20 IN THE SITUATION THAT WE RELY UPON THE CRITERIA, THINKING 21 AND STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED BY THE FEDERAL AGENCI ES; f 22 AND THE---I GUESS, IN A SENSE, YOU CAN SAY THE TEN-MILE 23 TERMINATION OF THE DETAILED EVACUATION PLANNING IS BECAUSE 24 THE FEDERAL GUIDANCE IS FOR TEN-MILE PLANNING.

25 WE'RE RELATIVELY COMFORTABLE WITH THE CRITERIA.

1 PAGE 71 2 HOWEVER, I WOULD RECOGNIZE, AS A HUMAN BEING, THAT ONE 3 PRESUMABLY COULD HAVE THE SITUATION. GIVEN THAT IT DID 4 GO BEYOND A TEN-MILE RADIUS WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF A 5 DETAILED PLAN, 1 AM PERSONALLY VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE 6 STATE WOULD NOT SIT BACK AND SAY, "MY GOODNESS, WE CAN'T 7 DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT." I THINK, GIVEN THAT A PROBLEM 8 WENT BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF THE TEN-MILE BOUNDARY, THAT 9 THE STATE WOULD CERTAINLY---AND THE TOWN OF CARY AND THE 10 COUNTY OF WAKE---WOULD PROCEED TO TAKE WHATEVER ACTIONS 11 NECESSARY. ,

12 1 THINK IT'S BASICALLY A QUESTION THAT GETS 13 BACK TO THE PLAN AND GUIDANCE OF THE TEN- AND FIFTY-MILE

( I'M NOT PREPARED TO GO INTO THAT, 14 PLANNING CONCEPTS.

15 OTHER THAN TO SAY WE RELY UPON FEDERAL GUIDANCE IN THESE 16 AREAS. AND, YES, THE PLUME DOES NOT RESPECT---IN TERMS 17 OF MOVEMENT OF WHATEVER' S IN THE AIR PAST TEN MILES, IT g

l 18 CERTAINLY DOES NOT RESPECT THE TEN-MILE DISTANCE.

MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAYNE. THAT'S I: 19 j 20 ALL THE QUESTIONS, OTHER THAN THE ONES WE HAVE SAID THAT 21 WE WILL SUBMIT IN WRITING TO YOU.

I f 22 AT THIS TIME, LET'S TAKE ABOUT A FIVE-MINUTE 2

l 23 BREAK BEFORE WE GO INTO THE PUBLIC CRITIQUE.

24 (THEREUPON, THERE WAS A BRIEF RECESS.)

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TO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

4 MR. EDDLEMAN: I DON'T---I DON'T WANT IT DONE.

5 MR. MYERS: WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER 6 THEM FOR YOU HERE.

7 MR. EDDLEMAN: YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU WANT TO, 8 BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP THE OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME.

9 MR. MYERS: WELL, WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO.WHERE 10 WE THINK WE CAN ANSWER THESE FOR YOU. SOME OF THEM HAVE 11 BEEN ANSWERED.

12 MR. EDDLEMAN: ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I THINK 13 I HAVE WITH THE FORMAT OF THIS THING IS, THE PEOPLE HAD A~

14 NOW, TO WAIT OVER AN HOUR TO START ASKING QUESTIONS.

15 IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE TIME, THEN GO AHEAD. BUT WHAT 16 I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE PEOPLE'S 17 I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE TILL ll TIME DOING IT.

18 SEVEN OR EIGHT O' CLOCK, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE I8 OF THEIR TIME.

j 20 MR. MYERS: THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING i 21 IS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND DO l

f , 22 THAT. AND WE WILL LET---WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START ON lt 23 THESE.

I 24 (THEREUPON, MR. EDDLEMAN LEAVES THE MEETING.)

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4 MR. KEY: A GENTLEMAN WHO WORKS FOR ME, TITLED 5 OPERATIONS OFFICER, DOES THE ACTIVATION OF THE E.O.C. WE 6 HAVE A RECALL LIST FOR THE STATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM.

7 IT IS FOUR OR FIVE DEEP IN EACH AGENCY. THE OPERATIONS 8 OFFICER WOULD PUT.FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE ON THAT RECALL, AND 9 THERE WOULD BE NO DIFFERENCE IN WHETHER I WAS HERE OR 10 . IN RALEIGH.

11 INCIDENTALLY, I DO HAVE A HIGHWAY PATROL RADIO 12 - IN MY CAR; AND THEY'RE IN CONTACT WITH ME ALL THE TIME.

13 THE QUESTION WAS, "WAS THE MOCK RADIATION RELEAS E 14 WORSE THAN THE ONE AT THREE MILE ISLAND?" I REPEAT AGAIN, 15 WE TOOK THE WORST CASE SCENARIO ON PURPOSE. OBVIOUSLY, 16 IT WAS. AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE CAN TEST THE PLAN 17 UNLESS WE DO THE MAXIMUM SCENARIO.

g l 18 "ON MOBILE ALERTING, I HEAR THAT SOME ROUTES 19 TOOK ONE HOUR OR SO TO DRIVE WHEN THE PLAN CALLED FOR j- 20 COVERING THEM IN TWENTY MINUTES." THE PLAN CALLS FOR 21 BACKUP TO BE COMPLETED IN FORTY-FIVE MINUTES, AND IT WAS a

f 22 DONE.

. 23 THE QUESTION WAS, "WILL THE DRIVER KNOW THE 24 ROUTES IF HE'S A REPLACEMENT?" THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF 25 THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE OPERATION HAVE WHAT THEY

I I PAGE 74 2 CALL " STRIP MAPS." AND I COULD TAKE ONE OF YOU PEOPLE 3 FROM OUT OF NORTH CAROLINA AND GIVE YOU THE STRIP MAP, 4

AND YOU COULD RUN THE ROUTE.

5 "WOULD SHELTERING IN WINTER INVOLVE TURNING 6

OFF FORCED-AIR FURNACES AND HEATING SYSTEMS IN HOMES AND 7 YES, IT PROBABLY WOULD IF IT WAS AN IN-PLACE BUILDINGS?"

8 SHELTER SITUATION; AND THE REASON WE WOULD HAVE TO DO 9 THAT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT TIME FOR THE 10 EVACUATION.

11 THE QUESTION IS, "DO YOU THINK FOLKS WILL DO 12 THIS? WHAT ARE YOU PLANS IF THEY DON'T?" PLEASE KEEP 13 IN MIND THAT THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STATE AND 14 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THE ONLY THING I KNOW OF THAT COULD 15 BE DONE IN A DISASTER DECLARATION IS, THE GOVERNOR DOES 16 HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CAUSE EVACUATION TO TAKE PLACE.

'j 17 "HOW DO YOU TEST MEDICAL SERVICES FOR CONTAMI-18 NATED INJURED?" WE PROBABLY HAD ONE OF THE BEST TRAINING 9

! SESSIONS FOR A HOSPITAL STAFF TO TREAT CONTAMINATED j 20 PATIENTS IN THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE JUST GONE THROUGH A i

21 CYCLE OF TRAINING WITH THE HOSPITALS, EVEN THOUGH THEY l

f 22 HAD HAD---SOME OF THEM HAD HAD IT BEFORE, AS REFRESHERS.

I i 23 "WHAT DO WE DO IF CONTAMINATED PEOPLE PANI.C 24 OR DON'T GO TO THE DECON STATION OR SHELTER?" THE WAY 25 TRAFFIC CONTROL IS SET UP BY OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY

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4 IT'S NOT ONLY AFFECTING THAT PERSON OR THAT VEHICLE, IT'S 5 AFFECTING THE REST OF THE POPULATION; AND, THEREFORE, 6 DECONTAMINATION WOULD BE A MANDATE.

7 "HOW LONG CAN PATIENTS STAY AT THE SPECIAL-8 CARE FACILITY AT DIX. HOSPITAL 7" UNLIMITED. INCIDENTALLY, 9 THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF MINUTE DETAILED WORK DONE IN 10 T,HIS. THAT PROBABLY WAS THE LAST PORTION OF OUR PLAN 11 TO COME ON LINE---WAS IT NOT, AL?---BECAUSE OF THE GREAT 12 DETAIL.THAT WAS DONE IN THIS.

13 "HOW SURE ARE YOU THAT CPSL WILL KNOW THEY HAVE 14 A PROBLEM, NOTIFY YOU PROMPTLY OF THE DEGREE OF DANGER?

15 AT THREE MILE ISLAND, IT'S BEEN SAID THAT PLANT OFFICIALS-16 KNEW OF A FUEL-CLAD DEGRADATION <OR A HYDROGEN EXPLOSION g_

17 AND DID NOT NOTIFY EMERGENCY AUTHORITIES. ARE YOU SURE SIMILAR PROBLEMS COULD NOT HAPPEN HERE?" I CAN ASSURE l 18 19 YOU THAT SOME OF THE MOST INTENSIVE TRAINING HAS BEEN j 20 DONE SINCE THREE MILE ISLAND TO ANYBODY THAT WORKS IN A PLANT. I FEEL VERY WELL SATISFIED. AS A MATTER OF

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! 23. MENT WHO WAS IN THAT E.O.C., I THINK HE SAW THE EXCHANGE 4

24 OF INFORMATION. NOW, GRANTED, IT WAS AN EXERCISE; BUT ,

25 THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TESTED OVER AND OVER. KEEP s*r - ,, - - .w y r.- .- - - - - -

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i l PAGE 76 2 IN MIND WHAT I SAID EARLIER. WE RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM 3 THE PLANT; WE ASSESS IT PRIOR TO REACTING. AND THAT ASSES 3-4 MENT MIGHT BE GOING BACK ON THE RING-DOWN PHONES OR BACK-5 UP COMMUNICATIONS AND SAY, "GIVE ME MORE DETAILS" OR 6 " EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN." I CAN THINK OF 7 NO REASON, AFTER ALL OF THIS TRAINING, WHY ANY CP&L 8 EMPLOYEE WOULD WANT TO KEEP AN INCREASING, ESCALATING 9 SITUATION TO THEMSELVES. MUTUAL PLANNING SUPPORT IS WHAT 10 WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

11 "IS THERE ANY PLAN TO EVACUATE LEGISLATORS OR 12 STATE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS DURING AN ACCIDENT AT SHEARON l ., . 13 HARRIS PLANT?" ABSOLUTELY. THEY ARE CITIZENS. THEY

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14 WILL BE TREATED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE REST OF THE 15 CITIZENS. IF THEY'RE IN THE ZONE, THEY WILL BE LEAVING.

16 "DID YOU TEST DETECTABILITY OF AIRBORNE RELEASES 17 FROM THE PLANT BY RELEASING A CHEMICAL INTO THE AIR THERE l

18 l- AND SEARCHING FOR IT IN THE ENVIRONMENT WITH SENSITIVE 19 CHEMICAL DETECTORS?" WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE DIF-ld. 20 FERENCE BETWEEN A CHEMICAL SUBSTANCE AND AIRBORNE RADIO-21 ACTIVE PLUMES AS TO THE SENSORS?

3 J 22 MR. BROWN: THE ANSWER IS, NO, NO SUBSTANCES

t l' 23 WERE RELEASED DURING THE EXERCISE. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, 24 GIVEN THAT YOU COULD RELEASE A CHEMICAL THAT TECHNOLOGY 25 WOULD PERMIT US TO DETECT, IT WOULD STILL NOT PROVE ONE

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THE DETECTION'OF RADIATION IS BY A TOTALLY DIFFERENT 4

INSTRUMENTATION AND TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEANS.

5 I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE 6

DETECTION OF RADIOACTIVE PLUMES EVEN DURING NORMAL OPER-7 ATION OF NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, AND WE HAVE 'NO PROBLEM

-8 DETECTING IT. GIVEN THE TYPE OF ACCIDENT THAT WAS HYPOTH-8 ESIZED HERE, I HAVE NO QUESTION WHATSOEVER IN MY MIND, 10 , BASED ON DETECTING MUCH HARDER-TO-DETECT THINGS, THAT 11 I WE WOULD HAVE HAD ANY DIFFICULTY IN DETECTING RADIO-12 ACTIVE PLUMES. BUT, AGAIN,- I'M AWARE OF NO CHEMICAL THAT 13 YOU WOULD RELEASE, THAT ONE WOULD WANT TO RELEASE, THAT

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16 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU, DAYNE. THE LAST SET l

II OF QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE, MR. WILLIS HAS---THOSE THAT HE l 18 CAN READ.

II MR, WILLIS: THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM, AND l

j 20 y,M NOT SURE I CAN MAKE THEM ALL OUT. " SIRENS ARE NOT 21 LOCATED IN AREAS TO BE HEARD BY ALL IN TIME." I THINK

' 22 WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME PROBLEMS WITH SIRENS. I'VE BEEN 23 INFORMED THAT THE SIREN INSTALLATION IS NOT'YET COMPLETE;

- 24 AND AS THE F.E.M.A. REPRESENTATIVE INDICATED, THERE IS 25 AN OFFICIAL TEST THAT IS WITNESSED BY THE FEDERAL k ,

1 PAGE 78 2 GOVERNMENT AND THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN COMPLETED. SO, WE 3 WOULD EXPECT THAT THESE PROBLEMS WOULD BE CORRECTED BEFORE

'4 THE PLANNED TESTING OF THOSE SIRENS IS PASSED UPON.

5 "DUE TO THE PLACE ANDERSON ACT AND HOMEOWNER 6 INSURANCE DENIAL OF ANY COMPENSATION, HOW DOES THE NORTH 7 CAROLINA GOVERNMENT PLAN TO HOUSE, CARE FOR AND AID PERSON ls 8 WHO HAVE LOST EVERYTHING DUE TO THE IMPROPER DECISION 8 TO INCORPORATE UNWANTED AND UNNEEDED NUCLEAR POWER IN 10 OUR AREA?" ANYBODY FROM THE NORTH CAROLINA GOVERNMENT 11 WANT TO FIELD THAT, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAVE ME WITH 12 IT?

13 WELL, I CERTAINLY CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY ANSWER

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FOR THE NORTH CAROLINA GOVERNMENT.

15 AS IS ANY COMMERCIAL FACILITY, BUT MUCH MORE SO IN THE 16 CASE OF A NUCLEAR PLANT, THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT 17 OF INSURANCE ON THE PLANT; AND IT IS TO COVER SITUATIONS l

l 18 THAT WOULD INVOLVE ANY KIND OF LIABILITY THAT THE PLANT

' 18 MIGHT INCUR.

j 20 "WHY ARE CITIZENS NOT BEING PROPERLY INFORMED 21 OF THE POTENTIAL DANGER OF LOSING THIS ENTIRE AREA FOREVER s.

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'lr 23 U.S.S.R., WHICH IS A TOTAL. WASTELAND AND VOID OF LIFE 1

24 DUE TO A NUCLEAR DISASTER IN 1958?" I HAVE NO PERSONAL I l

25 KNOWLEDGE OF KISTIN, U.S.S.R., EXCEPT I BELIEVE THAT THERE

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7 IT'S A DIFFERENT MIX. IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPOSITION, AND 8 THE CHANCES OF A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION IN A NUCLEAR REACTOR 9 DO NOT EXIST. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

10 "WHO IS RESPONSIBLE TO ULTIMATELY INFORM THE 11 PUBLIC ABOUT ANY AND ALL SAFETY PROBLEMS? WHO ALLOWS '

12 YOU TO NOT INFORM THE PUBLIC?" AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED 13 HERE, I THINK BY A NUMBER OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN DESCRIB-b ' ING THE PLANS, THE PLANS DO PROVIDE FOR THE NOTIFICATIONS 14 15 TO BE MADE AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF ESCALATION OF A POSTULATED 16 EMERGENCY, BEGINNING WITH, AND THE LOWEST LEVEL, BEING 17 AN UNUSUAL EVENT, ONE IN WHICH IT IS SOMETHING OUT OF g

THE ORDINARY; BUT ONE THAT IS NOT EXPECTED TO PROVIDE l 18 19 ANY IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THE'PUBLIC. NONETHELESS, THE g 20 UTILITY IS REQUIRED TO MAKE NOTIFICATION OF THAT NOT ONLY TO THE STATE AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES, BUT TO THE NUCLEAR fa 21

$ 22 REGULATORY COMMISSION, AS WELL AS OUR OWN MEDIA CENTER 1

l 23 WHICH HAS PROVISIONS FOR NEWS RELEASES IF SUCH ARE DEEMED 24 NECESSARY. AND, OF COURSE, THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERN-25 MENTS LIKEWISE DO THAT.

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THE' DESIGN LIFE OF THE PLANT IS FORTY YEARS, AND THAT 5 IS OUR PLANNING FIGURE FOR HOW LONG WE EXPECT TO OPERATE '

6 THE PLANT. AND PART OF THE PLANNING CYCLE AND THE LIFE-t 7 CYCLE COSTS OF THE PLANT INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR DECOM-8 MISSION 1NG. THIS IS A REQUIREMENT BY THE NUCLEAR REGULA-l 8 TORY COMMISSION. AND THAT WOULD ADD TO THE TOTAL COST l

l 10 OF THE PLANT FOR THE DECOMMISSIONING.

11 I CAN'T QUITE MAKE OUT THE-- "THE NEWSLETTER 12 IS A...." SOMETHING, " DON'T TOOT YOUR OWN HORN. TELL 13 THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS THIS PLANT IS AND HOW COSTLY k~

I 14 IT IS." I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION IS. IT'S A COMMENT, 15 I GUESS; AND I BELIEVE THAT ADEQUATE INFORMATION HAS BEEN l

l 16 PROVIDED ON THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH A NUCLEAR POWER (j_ 17 PLANT, WHICH WE CONSIDER TO BE SMALL. AND FIGURES ON l 18 THE COST OF THE PLANT ARE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

18 I CAN'T MAKE THIS OUT EITHER, BUT IT HAS SOME-ll lj 20 THING TO DO WITH PERSONS---I BELIEVE IT'S " PERSONS WITHIN 21 THE TEN-MILE RADIUS WERE SENT CARDS TO FILL OUT IF THEY 22 ARE HOUSE-BOUND AND NOT ABLE TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES. WHO lf ilr 23 IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOTIFYING AND EVACUATING SUCH PER-SONS?"

24 THIS INFORMATION IS BEING PROVIDED TO THE COUNTIES AND 25 IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY.

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7 THE SHEARON HARRIS PLANT SO DIFFICULT TO GET HOLD OF?"

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ANSWER THAT. THERE CERTAINLY IS AMPLE INFORMATION AVAIL-10 ABLE IN THE PUB.IC RECORD, REAMS AND REAMS OF IT. IT 11 SO, I'M NOT QUITE PROBABLY WOULD F ILL HALF OF THIS ROOM.

12 SURE WHAT THAT QUESTION IS DIRECTED AT.

13 "WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH LOW-LEVEL WASTE ACCUMU-k- 14 WE HAVE FACILITIES LATED ONCE THE PLANT IS ON LINE?"

15 AT THE PLANT TO PACKAGE AND STORE A LOW-LEVEL RADIOACTIVE l 16 WASTE, AS WELL AS THE CAPABILITY AND FACILITIES TO SHIP II O THAT LOW-LEVEL WASTE TO FEDERAL-GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED ,

18 DISPOSAL SITES.

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EXPOSED TO, SUCH AS FLYING IN AIRPLANES; LIVING AT HIGH 3

ELEVATIONS LIKE DENVER, COLORADO; SMOKING CIGARETTES; 4 BEING AROUND FACILTIES THAT BURN' COAL---AND THOSE SORTS 5 OF THINGS. AND THE FACT OF LIFE IS THAT WE LIVE IN A 6

WORLD WHERE THERE IS NATURAL BACKGROUND RADIATION, AND 7 THE RECORDS HAVE SHOWN THAT THE AMOUNT OF RADI ATION PUT 00' 8 BY NUCLEAR POWER. PLANTS IS FAR LESS THAN THIS NATURAL g BACKGROUND RADIATION. SO, WHILE MAYBE THE NATURAL AGING PROCESS IS A -FUNCTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE LIVE IN, 10 11 WE ARE PRETTY MUCH STUCK ON PLANET EARTH TOGETHER.

12 THERE IS A QUESTION HERE HAVING TO DO WITH 13 "...A REDUNDANT BACKUP SYSTEM, SUCH AS BROWN'S FERRY, 14 1975, DID NOTHING TO PREVENT THE ACCIDENT." I ASSUME 15 THIS IS REFERRING TO THE FIRE THAT OCCURRED AT BROWN'S FERRY. MUCH WAS LEARNED FROM THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN A 16 17 NUMBER OF MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE SHEARON HARRIS PLANT, g

AS WELL AS OTHER NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS IN THE COUNTRY, l 18 tg IN THE FIRE PROTECTION AREA, SEPARATION OF SYSTEMS, j 20 REDUNDANT OR SEPARATED CABLING, FIRE BARRIERS AND THE LIKE, THAT HAVE MADE EXTENSIVE CHANGES THAT SHOULD LEAD fa 21 TO INSURING THAT SUCH AN EVENT COULD NOT OCCUR AGAIN.

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24 THE ANSWER IS "YES."

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2 A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY READING IT. BUT DOES THAT 3 ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, WHOEVER PUT THESE IN?

4 MR. MYERS: AT THIS TIME, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON 5 INTO THE CRITIQUE; AND THERE WILL BE NO QUESTIONS ALLOWED 6 AT THE END OF THE CRITIQUE, AT THIS TIME, MR. VANCE KEY 7 WILL PRESENT REMARKS ON THE NORTH CAROLINA STATE GOVERN-

+ 8 MENT'S ABILITIES DURING THE EXERCISE CONDUCTED MAY 17 9 AND 18. MR. KEY?

10 MR. KEY: IF I HAD TO PUT THE STATE GOVERNMENT

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11 IN SOME SORT OF CATEGORY FOR THEIR RESPONSE DURING THIS 12 EXERCISE, IT WOULD'ALL BE UP IN THE UPPER CATEGORY OF 13 EXCELLENCE. WE HAD MINOR ADMINISTRATIVE PROBLEMS, ONE G~. 14 THEM BEING SPEAKER PHONES TOO CLOSE TOGETHER AND GETTING 15 BLEED-OVER. THAT WILL BE CORRECTED BY SEPARATION AND 16 PERHAPS SOME BOOTHS TO SEPARATE SOUND.

. 17 - WE FAILED TO CALL ON MORE ADMINISTRATIVE HELP g

I' g 18 FROM OTHER STATE AGENCIES, AND I CAN ASSURE AFTER THESE g 19 LAST TWO DAYS THAT WILL BE CORRECTED. WE NEED SOME MORE s

!j ' 20 HELP. WE DID HAVE A, AS I TOLD YOU EARLIER, BREAKDOWN 21 ON THE TELECOPIER MACHINE; AND THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO a.

f- 22 CORRECT THAT IS WITH A SEPARATE TELEPHONE LINE, NEW VINTAG E, t

23 TO MAKE SURE THAT TELECOPIER STAYS UP.

24 WE DID SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE SOME

, 25 OTHER PEOPLE SUDDER IN THE WAY OF TRYING TO KEEP REALISM

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PAGE'84 2 IN THIS THING. WE DID NOT CALL STATE AGENCIES UNTIL THE 3 STAGE THAT WE---IN REAL WORLD THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED.

4 'IN OTHER INSTANCES AND OTHER EXERCI'SES, THEY HAVE ARRIVED 5 HOURS-IN ADVANCE OF.THE TIME OF THE EXERCISE. WE WOULDN'T LET THAT HAPPEN THIS TIME. WE WANTED THEM TO GO REAL 6

7 WORLD, SEE HOW LONG IT TOOK TO NOTIFY THEM AND HOW LONG 8 FOR THEM TO ARRIVE. .

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OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STATE DURING 10 THIS EXERCISE, WE'SEE IT AS VERY POSITIVE NOT JUST FOR ti SHEARON HARRIS---THIS WAS AN EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT EXER-CISE TO TUNE US UP FOR RESPONSE FOR ANYTHING. AND IF 12

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13 YOU REMEMBER YOUR RECENT HISTORY, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF 14 . THINGS THAT MAKE US WANT TO GET IN THAT POSTURE.

MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. KEY.

15 16 CHATHAM COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, MARK 17 SCOTT.

18 MR. SCOTT: THE MAIN THING I'D LIKE TO COMMENT

.l-19 OR TO CRITIQUE OF WHAT CHATHAM COUNTY WENT THROUGH YESTER-Ij 20 DAY---I'M SURE MYSELF AND MY COUNTERPARTS WILL AGREE 21 WITH THIS: I'VE TRAINED TO FIGHT FIRES AND EMERGENCY a

j 22 WORK FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS AND NOT MAKING PUBLIC SPEECHES ,

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TERDAY, WE FOUND OUT A LOT; WE LEARNED A LOT. AND I THINK 24 25 IT HAS HELPED US TO LOOK AT WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IN THE N.

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I. 1 PAGE 85 2 FUTURE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. WE'VE 3 HAD SEVERAL INSTANCES IN CHATHAM COUNTY IN THE PAST FEW 4 YEARS INVOLVING HAZARDOUS MATERIALS---NOT INVOLVING ANY 5 NUCLEAR MATERIALS. BUT THIS DRILL FRIDAY AND SATLRDAY 6 OPENED UP DOORS FOR US, WHERE WE CAN RESPOND TO THEM 7 IN A MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE WAY. I'M SURE THE THINGS I'LL 8 TALK ABOUT NOW ARE GOING TO BE COMMON AMONG ALL THE COMMEN r5 9 FROM THE COUNTIES.

10 WE HAD NUMEROUS PROBLEMS---NOTHING MAJOR. THE

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11 SUGGESTIONS I HAVE HERE OF THE PROBLEMS WERE FROM THE EVALUATORS FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 'AND 12 13 ONE OF OUR MAIN PROBLEMS YESTERDAY WAS WE HAD SO MUCH

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14 NOISE IN OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, WE COULD NOT 15 REALLY DECIPHER THE GOOD NEWS FROM THE BACKGROUND NOISE.

16 THERE WAS SO MUCH TALK GOING ON, THE NOISE LEVEL WAS j

17 MUCH TOO HIGH FOR EFFECTIVE OPERATIONS.

l 18 WE NEEDED MORE TELEPHONES IN OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. WE HAD FOURTEEN' LINES IN THERE, AND IE 19 j 20 WE PROBABLY NEEDED FOURTEEN MORE. WITH ALL THE AGENCY

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! 21 HEADS IN THERE, IN AN ACTUAL SITUATION, THEY NEED TO f~ 22 BE IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THEIR PEOPLE IN THE FIELD; AND

! 23 THIS WAS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.

24 THE SPEAKER PHONES, AS MR. KEY SPOKE ABOUT 25 WHILE AGO, WAS, LET'S SAY, EFFECTIVE, BUT NOT AS EFFECTIVE l'

1 PAGE 86' 2 AS WE WOULD HAVE LIKED FOR IT TO HAVE BEEN. THIS IS 3 GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE 4 ' FUTURE IN REDESIGNING FOR ANY DRILLS O'F THIS NATURE.

5 AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE FACSIMILE UNIT 6 THAT WE HAD WAS NOT NEARLY AS EFFECTIVE AS WE WOULD HAVE 7 LIKED FOR IT TO HAVE BEEN. IT WORKED GREAT UP UNTIL THURSDAY MORNING, AND IT'S WORKING GREAT TODAY. SO, ,

8 9 EVIDENTLY, IT JUST DIDN'T WANT TO WORK FOR THE DRILL.

10 THE FIELD SUGGESTIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH 11 FROM THE PEOPLE OUT AT THE SHELTER SITES AND AT THE MONITO R-12 ING SITES WERE VERY MINIMUM. WE RAN OUR SHELTERS WITH 13 THE VERY MINIMUM STAFF SO WE COULD SEE IN REAL LIFE HOW 2

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14 MANY PEOPLE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE. SOCIAL SERVICES 15 WAS IN CONTROL OF OUR FULLY-STAFFED SHELTER YESTERDAY, 16 AND THEY RAN IT WITH A MINIMUM OF STAFF. AND THEY FOUND

. 17 OUT THAT IT WAS NOT AS MANY AS THEY WOULD HAVE NEEDED.

J 18 THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT A LITTLE CLOSER.

g 19 WE FOUND OUT ALSO THAT, AT OUR FULLY-STAFFED t

jj 20 SHELTER SITE, WE NEEDED ADDITIONAL RADIATION MONITORING 21 KITS. WE HAD WHAT WE FELT LIKE, BEFORE WE WENT INTO THE is lf 22 . DRILL, AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY; BUT AS WE KEPT BUILDING THE

,g 23 SCENARIO.UP, WE FOUND OUT THEY WERE NOT'NEAR ENOUGH ADE-

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24 QUATE. 50, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IN A 25 LITTLE MORE DEPTH.

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e U. 1 PAGE 87 2 THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE FOUND OUT THAT WE 3 NEEDED WAS---ONE OF THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, WAS REALLY 4 MINOR---OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE PERSONS THAT 5 WILL NEED TO MAKE ALL THE KEY DECISIONS INVOLVED IN THIS 6 PLAN REALLY NEEDED TO BE AWAY FROM THAT E.O.C., IN AN 7 AREA TO THEMSELVES, WHERE THEY COULD CONSIDER ALL OPTIONS 8 AND MAKE DECISIONS WITHOUT BEING IN ALL THE HUSTLE AND 9 BUSTLE GOING ON IN THE E.O.C. AND'MAKE SURE THAT THE 1 10 DECISIONS THAT THEY MADE WAS THE CORRECT ONE.

11 THESE ARE ALL THE NEGATIVE POINTS THAT WE FOUND 1

12 OUT YESTERDAY. WE FOUND'OUT A COUPLE OF KEY THINGS THAT 13 I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON. THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AT THE 14 MONITORING STATIONS HAD NEVER BEEN THROUGH THIS TYPE 15 THING, AND THEY WERE WONDERING WERE THEY ADEQUATELY TRAINE D 16 TO DO THIS. AND AS THE SCENARIO BUILT UP YESTERDAY, g

17 WE WERE GETTING REPORTS BACK FROM OUR SHELTERS ON HOW

] 18 MANY PEOPLE THAT THEY WERE MONITORING; AND WE GOT A REPOR1

19 BACK AT ONE TIME ABOUT 10

00 OR 10:30 THAT THEY HAD MONI-j 20 TORED 21 PEOPLE AND 9 OF THEM WERE FOUND TO BE CONTAMI-21 NATED. I SCRATCHED MY HEAD A LITTLE ON THIS; THERE WASN'1 a

i 22 ANY RELEASE OF RADIOACTIVITY AT THIS TIME. BUT I WENT 23 AHEAD AND SENT THIS IN TO THE HEADQUARTERS, AND I GOT 24 A REPLY BACK, "WHAT IS GOING ON? NOTHING IS HAPPENING 25 OUT THERE. THERE'S NO RELEASE." AND I SAID, "WELL,

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2 I THINK PROBABLY THIS IS A LOCALLY. INTERdECTED ROLE THAT 3 'THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE PLAYING FOR THEIR OWN USE."

4 'AND I'VE GOT MY SHELTER MANAGER HERE WITH ME TODAY; AND, 5 REALLY,.WHAT HAPPENED, THESE PEOPLE WERE MONITORED SO 6 -CLOSELY THAT THERE WERE NINE PEOPLE FOUND TO BE CONTAMI-7 NATED, BUT THEY HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN X RAYS OR CHEMO-8 THERAPIES IN THE PAST WEEK.. SO, THEY WERE MONITORED 9 CLOSELY ENOUGH THAT THEY PICKED THIS UP.

10 WE HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT WHERE A STATE EVALUATOR WENT TO A DECONTAMINATION STATION TO EVALUATE THEM. HE 11 12 DID NOT HAVE ANY TRICKS PLANNED, HE HAD NOTHING ON HIM 13 THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DETECTED. HE WAS MONITORED AND

(- 14 HELD THERE, HE-COULDN'T LEAVE; BECAUSE THE PEOPLE FOUND 15 SOME RADIATION ON HIM. AND HE COULD NOT FIGURE OUT WHY 16 .THERE WAS ANYTHING DETECTED ON HIM; AND AS THEY MONITORED 17 HIM MORE CLOSELY, HE FOUND A LITTLE KEY CHAIN IN HIS g

POCKET THAT WAS THE GLOW-IN-THE-DARK-TYPE ITEM. THEY l 18 19 HELD HIM THERE TILL HE GOT RID OF THAT. 50, WE BENEFITED 20 FROM THE WHOLE THING. THANK YOU, j

MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARK. HARNETT f

2 21 COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, HENRY JOHNSON.

f 22 23 MR. JOHNSON: LIKE MARK SAID, IN HARNETT COUNTY, 24 WE BENEFITED VERY MUCH FROM THIS DRILL IN THE LAST TWO 25 DAYS. HARNETT COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY FORTUNATE OVER THE

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( 1 PAGE 89 2 YEARS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE E.O.C. OR ANY PUBLIC SHELTER 3 HAS NEVER BEEN OPENED. SO, THIS WAS A CHANCE FOR LOCAL 4 GOVERNMENT, ALONG WITH THE VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE 5 AND LAW ENFORCEMENT GROUPS, TO PARTI,CIPATE IN THE DRILL 6 FOR EMERGENCIES. AND WE LEARNED A LOT. WE'VE SEEN A 7 LOT OF OUR SHORTCOMINGS AND WHATNOT, BUT THE MAIN THING---

8 I'LL TALK ABOUT THE PLUS, WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED.

9 I FEEL LIKE THIS WILL HELP US IN THE FUTURE 10 TO PROTECT THE LIVES AND PROPERTY OF PEOPLE IN HARNETT 11 COUNTY. AND THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE, WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

12 SOME OF OUR SHORTCOMINGS: OUR E.O.C.---LIKE I SAY, HARNET T I

13 COUNTY HAS NEVER OPENED UP A E.O.C., SO WE USED THE HALL-

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14 WAY OF THE COURTHOUSE IN LILLINGTON---LILLINGTON, NOT 15 LITTLETON, AS I SAID WHILE AGO. BUT ON FRIDAY, COURT 16 WAS GOING ON. WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH SECURITY, NOISE, 17 WHATNOT, AND COMMUNICATIONS, THE NUMBER OF TELEPHONES g

18 IN THE E.O.C., AND COMMUNICATIONS AS A WHOLE. BUT WITH h

19 THIS BEING THE FIRST TIME A E.O.C. HAS EVER BEEN OPEN g 20 FOR A DRILL OR ANYTHING, EVERYTHING WENT REAL WELL; AND t

21 WE'RE REAL PLEASED.

d 22 AND, ALSO, I TALKED DURING THE CRITIQUE WITH 23 THE COMMISSIONERS; AND THEY ARE VERY EAGER TO GET THE 24 RESULTS BACK FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE CRITIQUE WHERE 25 THESE PROBLEMS CAN BE CORRECTED. THANK YOU.

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5 MR. TIRKMAN: MARK AND HENRY SUMMED IT PRETTY 6 WELL THERE FOR ME. WE HAD ABOUT THE SAME PROBLEMS. IN 7 SANFORD, WE HELD A IN-HOUSE CRITIQUE WITH THE FEDERAL 8 AGENCIES TH' IRE. I DID NOT ASK THEM TO LEAVE, AND I HAVE 9 IT ALL COPTED DOWN RIGHT HERE---SEVERAL PAGES OF IT.

-10 IT'S JUST LITTLE INCIDENTS. .

11 AND, AS HENRY SAID, TOO, IN LEE COUNTY, IT'S 12 THE FIRST EVER FOR OPENING A E.'0.C. AND A SHELTER. 50,

.. 13 WE DEFINITELY BENEFITED FROM THAT FOR MANY THINGS TO I 14 COME. AND IT OUGHT TO BE OF GREAT HELP FOR THE PROTECTION OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN SANFORD AND LEE COUNTY. HAD NOT 15 16 IT BEEN FOR THIS, WE PROBABLY STILL WOULDN'T HAVE DONE 17 IT, g

WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN CORRECT, AND l 18 19 A LOT OF THEM HAVE DONE BEEN MENTIONED AS FAR AS THE j 20 COMMUNICATIONS AND THE SPEAKER PHONES AND THE STATUS BOARD.

21 AND THE STATUS BOARD---FOR SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE NEVER s

f 22 SEEN ONE, IT HAS A LOT OF VALUABLE INFORMATION ON IT; g

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!' 23 AND I WAS NOT QUITE AWARE THAT IT WAS THAT MUCH.

24 IF I HAD BEEN MORE AWARE OF IT, WE WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY

' 25 DONE DIFFERENT. IN MY PARTICULAR CASE, WE NEEDED ABOUT L

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i 1 PAGE 91 2 :TWO MORE SECRETARIES TO DO THIS WRITING TO KEEP THE PEOPLE 3 IN THE-E.O.C. INFORMED, WHICH WE WILL FROM NOW ON. THESE 4 ARE JUST LITTLE INCIDENTS.

5 BUT, AS A WHOLE, IT WENT REAL WELL; AND WE 6 WERE CERTAINLY PLEASED WITH EVERYTHING THAT DID HAPPEN.

7 WE DO NEED.A LITTLE MORE TRAINING PERHAPS, AS HAS ALREADY 8 BEEN MENTIONED iN MONITORING, WHICH WE'LL TAKE CARE OF.

9 BUT.WE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE OUT OF IT; A LOT OF PEOPLE 10 HAD A---THE WHOLE---ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT IN 11 LEE COUNTY GOT SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, AND THEY REALLY---

12 THEY REALLY DID COME HOME TO I T, AND WE CERTAINLY THANK 13 THEM. AND I THINK THINGS WERE COVERED REAL WELL. THANK 7,

' 14 YOU. .

15 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, J. T. NOW, 16 MR. RUSSELL CAPPS, WAKE COUNTY.

17 MR. CAPPS: OKAY, AS ALL THE COORDINATORS ALLUDED g-l 18 TO, WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED IN THIS AREA; WE'VE NEVER HAD 19 A MAJOR DISASTER THAT'S REQUIRED AN OPERATION OF THE

.j . 20 TYPE THAT WE WERE PREPARING FOR YESTERDAY. WE'VE NEVER Y

21 HAD A FULLY-STAFFED ~E.O.C. OPERATION IN MY LIFETIME.

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'd . 22 PROBABLY BACK IN HURP,1,[ANE HAZEL, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN; 3

l 23 BUT I DON'T THINK WE WERE AS WELL ORGANIZED BACK IN THOSE 24 DAYS TO HAVE THESE KIND OF THINGS. BUT WE WILL ALL BENE-25 FIT FROM THIS.

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2 BASICALLY, IN OUR COUNTY, WE BELIEVE IN OVER-3 RESPONSE; AND WE BELIEVE IN HAVING MORE THAN AN ADEQUATE 4 NUMBER TO HANDLE THE 408. THAT'S THE REASON THE RESCUE 5 SQUAD MEMBER WAS BORED YESTERDAY. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY-6 THING FOR HIM TO DO, BECAUSE WE HAD BACKUP SYSTEMS AND 7- HAD MORE PEOPLE THAN WE KNEW WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO 8 VARIOUS JOBS. BUT THAT'S THE WAY WE LIKE FOR IT TO BE g IN WAKE COUNTY.

10 IN THE FIELD OPERATIONS, WE THOUGHT THEY EXCELLE D.

11 WE---WE THOUGHT THEY ALL RESPONDED TO DO THE JOBS PROMPTLY 12 AND THE WAY THAT THEY WERE TRAINED TO DO IT AND KNEW 13 WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND RESPONDED IN THE WAY THAT THEY b' 14 WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, AS FAR AS THE EVALUATORS WERE CON-15 CERNED ALSO.

16 IN OUR WAKE COUNTY E.O.C., WE---I THOUGHT THE 17 OPERATION WENT EXCEPTIONALLY WELL. I THINK OUR OFFICIALS g

j. 18 WERE VERY PLEASED WITH IT. GENERALLY, THE EVALUATORS 19 WERE VERY PLEASED. THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD WERE LOGISTICS, g 20 SUCH AS THESE OTHER GENTLEMEN HAVE MENTIONED, SUCH AS 21 SOME MORE TELEPHONES THAT NEED TO BE ADDED, THE RELOCATION a

i 22 MAYBE OF A COUPLE OF POSITIONS IN THE E.O.C., AND SOME ir 23 BETTER STATUS BOARDS. WE KNEW THAT THESE WERE NOT PER-24 MANENT BOARDS THAT WE HAD, BUT OUT OF THIS, WE WILL KNOW 25 WHAT TYPE WE NEED TO DEVELOP AND HAVE PERMANENT TYPE k

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3 BASICALLY, WE WERE VERY PLEASED. I THINK 4 OUR OFFICIALS WERE PLEASED, AND WE KNOW WE'LL BE BETTER 5 PREPARED FOR ANYTHING THAT COMES ALONG THAN WE WERE PRIOR 6 TO THIS.

7 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU, RUSSELL. NOW, FOR THE 8 r5DERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CRITIQUE, MR. GLENN WOODARD, 9 CHIEF OF THE NATURAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL HAZARDS DIVISION,

.10 REGION 4, F.E.M.A.

11 MR. WOODARD: THANKS, JOE. THE FEDERAL EMER-12 GENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ASSURING 13 ALL SAFE RESPONSE CAPABILITY BY THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERN-

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14 MENTS. THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION, AS HAS BEEN 15 SAID BEFORE, HAS RESPONSIBILITY'FOR ACTIVITIES, AS WE 16 SAY, ON SITE WITH THE PLANT.

17 ADEQUATE OFF-SITE RESPONSE CAPABILITY, HOWEVER,

}1 f 18 IS NECESSARY IN THE LICENSING PROCEDURE FOR THE NUCLEAR 19 POWER STATION. THE PLANNING PROCESS WHICH WE'VE BEEN 3

20 DISCUSSING TODAY IS OUTLINED IN CODE OF FEDERAL REGULA-21 TIONS, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED BY MR. JOHN HERD OF h- 22 F.E.M.A. IN THE OTHER PORTION OF THE MEETING. THE PLANS g- 23 THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING ARE TESTED BY WAY OF THE EXER-24 CISE WHICH WAS CONDUCTED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.

'25 THE OFF-SITE EVALUATION WAS CONDUCTED BY NUMEROUS OF b..

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2 F.E.M.A. STAFF, BY---ASSISTED BY REPRESENTATIVES OF OTHER 3 FEDERAL AGENCIES WHO HAVE RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE 4' RESPONSIBILITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE REGIONAL

• 5 ASSISTANCE COMMITTEE, WHICH MR. HERD ALSO DISCUSSED.

6 WE HAD 21 EVALUATORS IN THE AREA, IN THE FOUR 7 COUNTIES, IN LOCATIONS SUCH AS THE.S.E.R.T. HEADQUARTERS, 8

THE STATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM HEADQUARTERS, IN RALEIGF ;

g IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS FACILITIES IN EACH OF THE FOUR COUNTIES OF WAKE, LEE, CHATHAM AND HARNETT. WE 10 '

11 HAD AN EVALUATOR AT THE---CAROLINA POWER S LIGHT COMPANY'S 12 EMERGENCY OPERATIONS FACILITY, AT THE JOINT INFORMATION 13 CENTER WHICH WAS HOUSED IN THE NEW CIVIC CENTER IN RALEIGF .

14 THAT'S A JOINT EFFORT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC 15 BY THE UTILITY, BY THE STATE, AND BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTE .

16 EVALUATORS WERE ALSO OBSERVING ACTIVITIES IN RADIOLOGICAL 4 17 HEALTH ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS THE MOBILE LAB USED FOR MONITOF -

I ING PURPOSES; FIELD MONITORING TEAMS WHICH WERE GATHERING l 18 19 SAMPLES IN THE AREA SHOULD THERE BE A RELEASE.

.j 20 THERE WAS ALSO AN EVALUATION MADE OF THE OFF-21 SITE FIRE PROTECTION THAT WAS CALLED BY THE PLANT IN a

22 THE EARLY PHASE OF THE EXERCISE. THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION d

WARNING SYSTEM, THE EMERGENCY BROADCASTING SYSTEM--,

l 23 THOSE PROCEDURES WERE EVALUATED; TRAFFIC CONTROL POINTS 24 25 AND THE SHELTERING ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.

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3 WE HELD DEBRIEFINGS AT EACH EVALUATION LOCATION 4 BY OUR LEAD EVALUATORS. IT WAS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING 5 THE EXERCISE TERMINATION. THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO 6 RESOLVE ANY PROBLEMS THAT WERE OBSERVED DURING THE EXER-7 CISE AND DISCUSS THIS WITH THE PLAYERS BEFORE THOSE IDEAS 8 WERE COLD, BEFORE THEY LEFT THE SCENE. A DETAILED CRITIQUE 9 WAS HELD WITH THE PLAYERS AND ALL EVALUATORS YESTERDAY 10 IN THE REEDY CREEK ARMORY IN RALEIGH. THE EXERCISE WAS 11 DISCUSSED AND REVIEWED IN DETAIL.

12 THE GENERAL FINDINGS OF OUR EVALUATION SHOWED 13 THAT BASICALLY THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TRAIN-14 ING, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE INVOLVED.

15 AS HAS BEEN INDICATED BY THE COUNTIES, THIS WAS THE FIRST 16 TIME THAT ANY OF THEM HAD PARTICIPATED IN SUCH AN EXER-17 CISE FOR THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF EMERGENCY. THE STATE, g

I'M SURE, WILL PURSUE THAT. LOCAL FACILITIES, I THINK, l 18 19 WERE BASICALLY ADEQUATE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE OF j _ 20 THE COUNTIES, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD, THEY'VE NOT REALLY 21 ACTIVATED EMERGENCY OPERATIONS FACILITIES. BUT IT'S a

f 22 ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL IN AN EMERGENCY OF THIS TYFE OR

! 23 ANY OTHER TO HAVE AN ADEQUATE PLACE IN WHICH TO OPERATE 24 FROM THE STANDPOINT OF LOCAL OFFICIALS MAKING POLICY 25 AND MANAGEMENT DECISIONS, TO THE CARRYING OF OUT THOSE

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3 WE FEEL THAT THE EXERCISE WAS SUCCESSFUL AND 4

THAT IT ADEQUATELY DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY TO RESPOND 5 TO AN OFF-SITE EMERGENCY THAT MIGHT OCCUR AT THE SHEARON 6 F.E.M.A. WILL ISSUE A REPORT TO HARRIS NUCLEAR PLANT.

7 THE STATE WITHIN THIRTY DAYS WHICH WILL PROVIDE DETAILS 8 OF OUR EVALUATION AND SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.THAT THE 8 STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS SHOULD CONSIDER. THANK YOU.

10 MR. MYERS: MR. JIM WILLIS WITH THE CAROLINA ,

11 POWERS LIGHT COMPANY CRITIQUE. ,

12 MR. WILLIS: THIS EXERCISE WAS ABOUT FOURTEEN

! ,. .13 HOURS LONG OVER TWO DAYS, AND IT INVOLVED TESTS OF ALL S4' '14 ASPECTS OF OUR EMERGENCY PLAN. FOR EXAMPLE, IT INVOLVED 15 A FIRE ON SITE WHICH REQUIRED THE CALLING OF OFF-SITE 16 ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT; AN INJURY AND 17 h CONTAMINATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHICH REQUIRED THE CALLING la OF AN AMBULANCE FROM OFF SITE AND THE TRANSPORTING OF.

0-18 THAT INDIVIDUAL TO THE HOSPITAL, WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL f 20 WAS TREATED AND DECONTAMINATED; AND ESCALATING EMERGENCY 21 CONDITIONS LEADING UP TO FINALLY A GENERAL EMERGENCY j 22 AND SUBSEQUENT SIMULATED RELEASE OF RADIOAC,TIVE MATERIALS, 23 RESULTING IN AN OFF-SITE EVACUATION. -

24 WE FELT THAT THE EXERCISE WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, 25 AN EXERCISE ON ALL THE CAPABILITIES. WE FOUND THAT THE X, <

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.os en 1 PAGE 97 2 PLAN WAS ADEQUATE. WE FOUND THAT---THAT OUR PERSONNEL 3 WERE ADEQUATELY TRAINED, AND WE FELT VERY CONFIDENT OF 4 OUR ABILITIES TO RESPOND TO ABNORMAL CONDITIONS.

5 I MIGHT POINT OUT---AND I BELIEVE I MENTIONED 6 IT ONCE BEFORE IN MY OPENING REMARKS---THAT THE SCENARIO l 7 FOR THIS DRILL WAS NOT KNOWN TO US AS PLAYERS; BUT, RATHEP ,

s WE HAD TO RESPOND TO PROVIDED DATA AND INFORMATION AS 9 THE SCENARIO UNFOLDED, AND, THEREFORE, OUR DECISIONS l 10 AND RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BASED ON OUR ASSESSMENTS OF  :

11 THE DATA PROVIDED TO US AND NOT BASED ON ANY PRIOR KNOWL-12 EDGE OF THE WAY WE WERE TO PROCEED.

., 13 WE FOUND THAT COMMUNICATIONS WERE GENERALLY b- 14 EFFECTIVE. THERE WERE SOME MINOR PROBLEMS WITH SOME 15 EQUIPMENT. WE FOUND OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT SOME DEDICATEC '

l 16 PHONE SYSTEMS TO THE STATE AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES WHICH 1 17 HAD BEEN TESTED VERY SUCCESSFULLY ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS , l

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19 DISCUSSION WITH THE STATE AND FOUND OUT, UNBEKNOWNST

• j 20 TO US, THERE WAS A TIMER IN THERE THAT CUTS YOU OFF AFTER 21 FIFTEEN MINUTES---SO, THINGS OF THAT SORT THAT HAD TO lf 22 BE CORRECTEDJ BUT WERE GENERALLY MINOR.

13 l 23 WE WERE ABLE TO EXCHANGE VITAL INFORMATION l

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1 MIGHT ADD THAT, IN THESE EXERCISES, BECAUSE IT IS 3

NECESSARY TO ESCALATE THROUGH ALL THE PHASES, THE FOUR 4 LEVELS OF EMERGENCY, IN ORDER.TO EXERC1SE ALL OF THE 5

RESPONDENTS BOTH ON SITE AND OFF SITE, YOU REALLY CAN'T 6 TAKE CREDIT FOR THE MITIGATING ACTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT 7 BE ABLE TO TAKE IN A REAL SITUATION BY PROFITING FROM 8 THE TRAINING OF YOUR OPERATORS AND THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE g THAT YOU HAVE ASSEMBLED. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT THAT MEANS 10 IS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO IN ONE OF THESE DRILLS, YOU'RE ,

SOMEHOW GOING TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF EMERGENCY, si 12 EVEN THOUGH THE ACTIONS THAT YOU PRESCRIBE OR SUGGESTED 13 MIGHT OR VERY WELL PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CURTAILED IT AT A LOWER LEVEL. BUT WE DON'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT, BECAUSE 14 15 WE NEED TO GET ON AND EXERCISE THE PLAN.

16 WE DID VERIFY THE ADEQUACY OF THE PLANNING 37 AND THE TRAINING. WHILE WE FELT THAT OUR OBJECTIVES l 18 WERE ADEQUATELY MET AND WE FELT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ig DEMONSTRATE OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO SUCH EMERGENCIES, j 20 WE DID FIND SOME MINOR AREAS WHICH WE WOULD PUT IN THE CATEGORY OF "lMPROVEMENT AREAS," WHICH COULD MAKE US f 21 EVEN BETTER. WE INTEND TO WORK ON THOSE, AND WE WILL f 22 CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS CAPABILITY. BUT, OVERALL, 23 ,

24 WE FELT IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL EXERCISE.

25 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WILLIS, S

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NOW, FOR THE U. S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION CRITIQUE, 3

MR. TOM DECKER.

MR. DECKER: THANK YOU. I INTEND TO BE BRIEF.

5 1T'S BEEN A LONG AFTERNOON, AND 1'LL BE DONE SHORTLY, 6

THE N.R.C. WAS PRESENT AT THIS EXERCISE IN TWO GROUPS.

I THE FIRST WAS A PARTIAL RESPONSE TEAM FROM THE REGION 2 8

OFFICES IN ATLANTA WHO PLAYED---THEY WERE PLAYING THE O

PARTS THAT THEY WOULD PLAY IF THERE WERE A REAL CASUALTY 10 AND THE N.R.C. DISPATCHED THEIR RESPONSE TEAM. THE SECOND 11 GROUP, OF COURSE, WAS MADE UP OF THE OBSERVERE FOR THIS 12 EXERCISE, TECHNICAL SPECIALISTS WHO EVALUATED THE LICENSEE 'S 13

,e PERFORMANCE---AND THEY DO THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE FEDERAL N REGULATIONS AND FEDERAL GUIDANCE.

15 IN ALL CASES, THE COMMENTS FROM THE EVALUATORS 16 WERE THAT THE EXERCISE WAS FULLY SUCCESSFUL; THE LICENSEE l

II PLAYED VERY WELL; AND THE TRAINI'4G AND COMMITMENT TO EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS WAS OBVIOUS IN THIS EXERCISE.

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THANK YOU.

j 0 MR. MYERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. DECKER.

21 WE HAVE ALL HEARD COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTIES, 2 THE STATE, THE UTILITY, THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT I 23 AGENCY, AND THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION. THIS r

24 CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC CRITIQUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR 25 BEING HERE.

(THEREUPON, THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.)

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4 EER11[1EdlE l 5 I, FAYE BUNN STEVENS, NOTARY PUBLIC/ REPORTER, DO i

6 HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THIS IS A TRUE AND ACCURATE TRAN-7 SCRIPT OF THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE SHEARON HARRIS 8 NUCLEAR POWER PLANT EXERCISE; AND THAT SAID MEETING i 9 WAS REPORTED AND TRANSCRIBED UNDER MY SUPERVISION.

10 I DO FURTHER CERTIFY THAT I AM NOT OF COUNSEL FOR .

11 OR IN THE EMPLOYMENT OF EITHER OF THE PARTIES TO THIS 12 ACTION.

13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I HAVE HEREUNTO SUBSCRIBED MY 14 NAME THI S 3/ DAY OF >>v , 1985.

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2806 OVERBROOK DRIVE 18 h RALEIGH, N. C. 27602 I'

MY COMMISSION EXPIRES:

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