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| Issue date: | 07/25/1988 |
| From: | Chilk S NRC OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY (SECY) |
| To: | Stello V NRC OFFICE OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR OPERATIONS (EDO) |
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STAFF REQUIREMENTS - BRIl ING ON MATTERS OF i
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The commission was briefed by the staff on issues of common interest between the NRC and the Environmental Protection I
Agency (EPA) in the regulation of radiological hazards.
EPA representatives responding to Commission questions were Floyd Galpin Office of Radiation Protection l
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The Commission expressed its desire for the staff to obtain EPA's comments and concerns, if any, over the staff's proposed definition of below regulatory concern.
The Commission requested'this issue be of high priority at both the NRC and EPA.
Should the staff believe that a Commission letter requesting EPA to elevate the priority of this issue is warranted, the staff should propose such a letter to the Commission.
Chairman Zech requested the staff to continue its close working relationship with EPA and to keep the Commission apprised on matters before the two-agencies.
Where here is dual jurisdiction between the NRC and EPA, the staff should strive to accomplish NRC's and EPA's regulatory mission without seeking l
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15 The Commission met in open session, pursuant to 16 notice, at 10:01 a.m., the Honorable IANDO W.
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COMMISSIONER ZECH:
Good morning ladies and 4
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Today the Commission will be briefed by the Office 5
of Nuclear Materials Safety and Safeguards on the interactions 6
between the NRC and the Environmental Protection Agency on i
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the Environmental Protection Agency here with us today who 9
would be willing to answer our questions later on.
10 The Environmental Protection Agency is responsible t
11 for developing many of the radiological standards which the NRC 12 has to implement in our regulations.
The EPA and the NRC 13 interact in several areas such as mixed low-level waste, high-i 14 level waste, uranium mill tailings, in the area of residual 15 radioactivity.
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17 decommissioning and in the area of below regulatory concern 18 matters.
Because of our dual jurisdiction requirements in 19 several of these areas, it is important that the NRC and the 20 EPA work together cooperatively to assure consistency in our 21 regulations.
22 There's currently an EPA NRC Interface Council whose 23 responsibility it is to facilitate the coordination and 24 resolution of these issues.
The Commission would be very 25 interested to learn how this interface council is working and
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1 to review the status of resolution of issues that are being 2
discussed between the NRC and the EPA.
3 I understand there are copies of the viewgraphs at 4
the entrance to the meeting room.
Do any of my fellow 5
Commissioners have any comments that they would like to make 6
before we begin.
If not, Mr. Stello, you may proceed.
7 MR. STELLO:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I'll turn to 8
Bob Bernero who is deputy director of NMSS and is our 9
representative on the coordinating council you spoke of and has 10 first hand information on the relationships of the two 11 agencies.
You are correct in your opening statement where you 12 indicated there are a number of areas where we have dual i
13 responsibility for regulation and that does present a challenge 14 to two agencies to assure that the system of regulations are i
15 compatible, that we work out the detailed procedures.
From 16 time to time this is a complicated and time-consuming task and 17 does indeed take quite a bit of effort to resolve.
18 Mr. Bernero will be giving you some specific examples 19 of those in the briefing and to talk about in general the 20 framework of regulation in the NRC and EPA and what it is that 21 the law speaks to in terms of responsibilities for the two 22 agencies that create this problem.
23 With that brief introduction, Bob, why don't you 24 begin?
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you indicated and I want to emphasize that, on the radiological 2
interfaces between us and EPA.
In early. August you will have a 3
briefing where we go into the nonradiological area where FEMA 4
and OSHA are involved with our regulatory jurisdiction.
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have been in touch with EPA during the preparation of this 6
briefing.
We did not intend for EPA to make a separate 7
statement or give any separate briefing however, Dr. Floyd 8
Galpin from the Office of Radiation Programs in EPA is in the 9
audience should there be any question that needs to be pursued.
10 The two regulatory agencies have their own 11 independently set missions and different statutes to implement 12 and this complicates matters for us both.
I'm sure the 13 Commissioners will recall from time to time we have regulatory l
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16 EPA jurisdiction is involved and so is ours.
j 17 We have a most recent one that you just got about the 18 Church Rock Uranium Mill, a memorandum of understanding.
It's 19 a very frequent occurrence and what I hope to illustrate for u
20 you today is the broad areas of our interaction to give you 4
21 some idea of how the two missions and the two organizations i
22 function and for the Commission to come away with a better 23 understanding of the complexity and what we are doing to deal 24 with that complexity, to continue to satisfy our mutual 25 responsibilities with a minimum of wheelspinning, with a
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3 May I have slide number three, please.
We've passed 4
out photocopies of a small booklet on the EPA which I find to i
5 be an excellent source.
Slide three illustrates the EPA 6
mission as portrayed in there.
It's a very broad mandate.
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you look at the EPA mission, the few words we captured on the 8
screen here, " Protect the Environment."
It sweeps in the 9
entire environment -- air, ground and surface water and land.
10 This broad mission given by the Congress is in i
11 contrast to -- if you look at slide four, the NRC mission is a 12 much more narrow one.
True, " Protect the Public Health and 13 Safety and the National Security Interest,"
but our focus and 1
14 you recall in the NARM briefing we emphasized this too, our 15 focus is on the uranium fission process or the fission process, 16 technically other fission would be also.
17 We look at source by products, special nuclear 18 material, but it's a much more narrow focus than EPA has and 19 consequently, our statutory base is also much more focused.
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21 If we turn now to the next slide and we look at EPA's 22 major statutes and I apologize, Mr. Chairman, I know your 23 sensitivity to alphabet soup and it's very difficult to discuss 24 the many statutes that EPA is required to implement without 25 resorting to alphabet soup.
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I appreciate the fact that you've 3
at least given us the names in clean English anyway.
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If you look at theirs, we have i
5 involvement with many of the things that EPA has and many 6
people forget that EPA is also responsible for implementing 7
part of the Atomic Energy Act when they were formed in the 8
reorganization -- not an act by the way, it was a 9
reorganization plan, number three, of 1970.
They werd given 10 some of the functions of the AEC-NRC -- what is now the NRC and 11 they had their organization drawn from any number of federal 12 agencies and then on that new agency was this broad 13 environmental responsibility put.
14 You see the sort of legislation they deal with.
The 15 Clean Air Act, Safe Drinking Water Act, Superfund -- they're 16 very, very broad environmental protection statutes.
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18 If you turn to slide six, you see things that are 19 very broad -- Toxic Substances Control Act.
You also see 20 things that explicitly and specifically come in congruence with 21 NRC's mission.
The Uranium Mill Tailing Radiation Control Act.
22 We're deeply involved in that with EPA.
The Emergency Planning 23 and Community Right to Know Act of 1986 gets them more and more 24 into emergency planning.
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So many of their statutes -- very, very broad 2
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statutes are narrower just as our mission is narrower.
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course the Atomic Energy Act and the corresponding Energy i
7 Reorganization Act and the Environmental Policy Act to a a
limited degree -- the only place where the Congress seems to 9
have gone into the detailed prescriptive mode with the NRC.as
. i 10 they have with EPA in my opinion is in the various waste acts, 11 in waste management, the Nuclear Waste Policy Act, the 12 Amendments Act, 13 We get a flavor there of the sort of legislation that 14 EPA has to implement.
It's detailed.
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15 prescriptive and not necessarily 100 percent consistent from 16 one act to the other.
You know, this sort of iterative 17 legislation.
18 So if we turn for a moment, I gave you a copy of an
-19 organization chart in the handout and if we could get that on 20 the screen for the audience to look at.
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22 The subheadings, titles, are not really legible in l
23 that, certainly on the screen, but it's important for you to 24 appreciate the EPA tends to be organized along statutory lines.
25 The assistant administrator for water, the assistant
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assistance administrator for air and radiation and so on.
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tend to implement in the EPA organization according to the i
4 statutes that are being implemented.
5 We on the other hand are perhaps somewhat more i
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You know, the reactors in one
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office function.
The result is you don't have a clear i
9 interface between the two agencies.
10 on that chart that you have before you, we've circled 11 the principal organizations within EPA with which we interface.
l 12 You see it is sort of spotty.
It's not a consistent pattern.
13 To a very great extent, we're not clean either -- for EPA to 14 look at us, they have a lot of dealing with NMSS.
That's why 15 I'm here doing the talking.
16 They do have dealing with AEOD on emergency response.
17 They have dealing with NRR on certain matters, you know, the 18 effluence releases and things like that.
So, what we have 19 between the two regulatory agencies is not a clear interface.
l 20 It's not a very simple thing.
That's one of the reasons we 21 have this interface counsel I'll describe later, is to 22 facilitate the communication.
To make sure the right people 23 can talk to the right people.
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areas of interaction in three basic categories.
In the first 2
place, both agencies being regulatory agencies, put out 3
standards, regulations, guidance, the sort of documents that go l
4 with regulation and because of our congruent mission, they 5
frequently cover the same subjects.
6 They frequently have to deal with subjects against 7
our respective statutes in very similar ways.
Another form of 8
overlap is where Presidential guidance is involved and probably l
9 the most dramatic example of that is EPA's responsibility to 10 give Presidential guidance on protective action guidelines.
11 This is the levels of radiation in emergency 12 situations at which protective action is warranted.
Whether 13 sheltering, evacuation, things like that.
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14 guidance in the so-called PAGs, protective action guidelines.
I 15 We in our regulation of nuclear facilities, implement the 16 establishment of emergency plans that are based in part on l
17 taking action as appropriate to use those protective action 18 guidelines.
19 The last area is the very complex one of licensing or 20 permitting.
It is simply a matter of choice.
We license our 21 agents or facilities and EPA grants permits.
The licensing, permitting and operations involves a good deal of interaction 22 t
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overlap and interaction.
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slida ten in your package there, I have an acronym key.
We'll 4
start with mixed wastes which is one of the more difficult 5
interaction areas and this acronym key lets you have quick 6
reference to what is RCRA, what is CERCLA and so forth.
7 The people in the field use these acronyms or these 8
pronounced acronyms so glibly and it's often difficult to 9
follow.
Let me ask for the figure which comes right behind 4
10 slide ten.
It's an illustration of mixed low-level waste in 11 particular and EPA programs in it to give you an idea of the 12 many and repeated places where the EPA statutes are involved 13 and thereby I hope you get an appreciation of the complexity.
14 If you look at the circle going clockwise from 15 generation of wastes through transportation, storage, treatment 16 and disposal, the little acronyms are flagged there and you can 17 see right off the bat, the CAAs appearing frequently in the 18 generation facility, the treatment, the disposal, the Clean Air 19 Act, the air regulations are often encountered and they need to 20 be satisfied.
21 These statutes are there.
22 It applies to generation of mixed waste here.
It 23 could be one of our f acilities such as say Sequoia ruels.
24 There is similarity indeed to things like a nuclear reactor.
25 If you look at the water things, CWA, the Clean Water Act,
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requirements of those are imposed as well as these other 3
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I can never remember what CERCLA stands for.
I'll 9
refer to the acronym.
But CERCLA applies to accidental release 10 and just as it does here in this transportation accident have 11 coverage, it also applies to facilities.
12 So again, if I make analogy to sequoia Fuels, there 13 are CERCLA requirements that go with that and so you can see 14-the very complex things here in this example of mixed waste.
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I'd like to talk about mixed waste itself as an issue 17 18 of overlap.
We have identified problems in dealing with mixed 19 waste that can be summarized as we have here.
First of all, we 20 have this dual regulation to get a clear definition of what it 21 is, secondly, there are institutional problems about -- you know, the states do some of this and when do they do it and how 22 23 do they do it.
The timetables, the standards -- is the second 24 problem.
Then a rather knotty one that faced us early on --
25 the EPA liner technology -- their design standards appeared to
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be almost contradictory to NRC's.
2 Basically if you study our regulations for low-level 3
waste disposal the concept that comes out of that if you would 4
summarize it is a stable well-drained configuration -- a trench 5
full of material with some sort of cover, ground cover, a crown t
6 on the top of the trench, a stable thing that's not supposed to 7
subside, and well-drained.
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9 at EPA design standards for mixed waste, it's completely around 10 the'other way in attacking it.
It's a closed thing with 11 drainage capture.
Sort of a sealed thing, a basin, a cup.
12 Therein lies an apparent contradiction.
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14 drain the facility, the EPA standards would have you not drain 15 the facility.
So these are the problems we saw at the l
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Now if we turn to the next slide, number thirteen, we 18 19 can look at some of the progress we've had to date.
It's good 20 progress.
Not without difficulty.
Certainly not through the 21 problem.
There's more to come.
We have had what I think is significant success in putting together and promulgating joint 22 23 guidance for how to reconcile the drainage anomaly, f
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we'd like to minimize the generation of mixed waste so we are l
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progress on the site development milestones.
There's some 7
success there.
But what I don't say here's the success that 8
should be flagged, there's more to come.
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process will be credible when licensing and permitting are in j
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l 18 Now underlying this and there was an item of interest 19 that came to you about a week and a half ago and I would like 20 to recall it for you, the American Society of Mechanical 21 Engineers has a major effort underway on mixed waste.
It is 22 probably best described as constructive lobbying.
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with the American Society of Mechanical Engineers and this i
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we're working it.
That's the way we're proceeding.
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EPA is acting on the same pattern.
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So this activity will undoubtedly go on for awhile as 8
the ASME seeks to change that and seeks this alternative 9
legislation.
10 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
In the meantime, it's my 11 understanding that we're trying to work together with EPA and 12 making considerable progress as you're pointing out without i
13 legislation.
That's what we're attempting to do.
It looks to 14 me like from what you've told me in the area of mixed waste 15 that we are making progress; is that correct?
16 MR. BERNERO:
Yes.
I think so.
I think that's a 17 fair characterization.
It's not without difficulty. It's a 18 complex area.
19 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
We're waiting for legislation but 20 we're trying to make it work without that.
21 MR. BERNERO:
That's right.
22 COMMISSIONER ROBERTS:
Would EPA have the same 23 comment?
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I think that what the purpose of that interface has 6
achieved is that there are no bombs sitting out there that 7
nobody knows about.
Every issue is kind of disclosed among our 8
agencies at a fairly early point.
9 I think it's facilitated, this kind of agreeing on 10 things in the process before positions get entrenched and 11 disagreements start to emerge.
I think the last year has 12 indicated a very clear way of exchanging information quite 13 early in the process even sometimes before any direct 14 regulatory actions.
15 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
So from EPA's standpoint, you 16 would agree that progress is being made.
17 MR. MACRIS:
Absolutely.
18 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
Tbsnk you very much.
19 COMMISSIONER ROGERS:
Just how do you stand on the 20 conceptual design difference?
21 MR. BERNERO:
We have put out joint guidance which is 22 we believe in sufficient detail so that a site developer, you know, some company developing a design for a site, would have a 23 24 clear idea of how or what alternatives might satisfy both 25 requirements, both sets of requirements.
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guidance is sufficient.
It's out there now jointly promulgated 3
with EPA but as I say, the proof of the pudding is in the 4
doing.
When we see a couple of sites that have looked through 5
that guidance, that have developed it and do have their 6
licenses and permita and are operating.
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8 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
All right.
Let's proceed.
9 MR. BERNERot Now if we turn to slide number l
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15 The EPA promulgated that standard in 1985 but it was 16 remanded by the courts in 1987.
This is very important to us 17 because this standard is a basis for our regulation, part 60, 18 and it is also thereby the basis for the whole DOE repository 19 program in the high-level waste repository, you know, the Yucca 20 Mountain development.
To an extensive degree, it is the technical basis for t
21 22 the DOE's program at WIPP, the Waste Isolation Pilot Program.
23 Now, from a legal point of view, as you know, the NRC has no 24 direct involvement with WIPP.
We don't regulate that.
We 25 don't review it.
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standard was remanded that there would be some change 8
obviously, in it and EPA is working on that change.
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a timetable of approximately three years to revise the standard 10 and revisit it.
The issues are principally as indicated here, 11 involving consistency with the Safe Drinking Water Act and l
12 technically is a repository a deep well injection or how do you i
13 reconcile that.
14 We suspended our rulemaking.
We had a rulemaking in 15 progress where we were going to fully conform with the EPA 16 high-level standard.
For instance, there's a table of 17 radionuclides and their release limits.
We were going to 18 incorporate that table in our own standard -- in our own part 19 60.
20 We have suspended our rulemaking pending the 21 resolution of the EPA standard.
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We told you of this before 23 in the high-level waste briefings.
We're confident that the changes to the EPA standard will not overturn the fundamental 24 25 thrust and content of the repository program and that's an
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COMMISSIONER ZECH:
Will EPA agree with that 4
assumption too?
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Yes.
6 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
Could you come to the microphone 7
and identify yourself for the reporter?
Thank you very much.
8 MR. GALPIN:
Lloyd Galpin from the Office of 9
Radiation Programs, EPA.
I think Mr. Bernaro's assumption is 10 correct.
The measures by which the court determined that they 11 had to remand the standard are ones that we think we can handle 12 without changing the basic thrust of the standard and therefore 13 they can report and we've also told this to DOE relative to 14 their actions, f
15 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
Thank you very much.
We 16 appreciate it.
Let's proceed.
17 MR. BERNERO:
With that -- it's an area of attention, i
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19 caution, we're optimistic that that ven't turn around and bite 20 us.
l 21 COMMISSIONER CARR:
That was three years from what 22 date you said that?
23 MR. BERNERO:
Well, roughly three years from 1988.
24 It would be about 1991 and that's still well in advance.
In 25 the waste briefing of a month.
In May.
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COMMISSIONER ZECH:
All right.
Let's proceed.
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8 MR. BERNERot If we turn to slide sixteen we get to a 9
subject that is quite complex and the source of not a little i
10 bit of controversy from time to time -- uranium mill tailings 11 issues.
Now uranium mill tailings issues are divided into two 12 basic or broad categories -- inactive sites and active sites.
13 The term doesn't apply to whether or not they're 14 doing milling on the site.
It applies to whether it's a 15 licensed facility or not.
The inactive sites are the very old 16 ones, some dating back even before there was an Atomic Energy 17 Commission, NRC.
The active sites are the licensed ones.
In 18 the inactive site arena -- you had a briefing on this program I
19 from Mr. Baublitz of the Department of Energy in June, early 20 June, June 3.
21 The EPA issued the standards for that in 1983.
Their groundwater standards were remanded in 1985 but reproposed and 22 23 the way the law is written, DOE must comply with the proposed 24 standards so when I say there " DOE must comply" DOE is the agent to implement remedial actions at these inactive sites.
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and concurs.
3 EPA doesn't have a a site-specific role here.
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As was 1
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are big.
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sites.
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10 If you turn to slide seventeen we're talking about 11 the active sites and this is in essence all the licensed mills 12 whether agreements state or NRC licensed.
Few of them are in 13 production now.
In fact I think that's a misnomer.
I don't 14 think more than one is in production right now.
They're very, 15 very inactive in this country due to foreign competition and t
16 the decreased demand for uranium.
17 EPA issued standards for these in 1983 and NRC in its 18 regulations is required to conform to the standards and that's 19 been done.
We conformed the nongroundwater standards in 1985 20 and the groundwater standards in 1987.
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It was late 1987 and you voted on it not 23 so long ago.
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milling industry.
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continuation is not a new license or a new mill.
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12 a retrospective evaluation and there's little benefit to go on 13 into further resource expenditure for rulemaking.
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20 MR. MACRIS Floyd, do you want to comment on that?
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Certainly our RCRA people are much involved-in this 6
as is the Office of Radiation Programs somewhat in the middle.
7 I don't think we feel that we've seen the bottom line on either 8
side of the issue as yet but I do feel very much that the two 9
offices-are working at it.
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They're working to resolve the 11 12 issue.
All right.
Thank you very much.
You may proceed Bob.
The last item here of EPA's desire for 13 MR. BERNERO:
site-specific concurrence on alternate concentration limits, 14
- that was written out of that 1987 rulemaking that you approved 15 However, the NRC methodology for alternate 16 not long ago.
concentration limits is out for comment now and we are working 17 with EPA in the hope that we can satisfy them that that
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That there is no need for them to continue pursuit of site-specific concurrence.
20 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
You're still working on that 21 22 issue too, then.
23 MR. BERNERO:
That's still working.
COMMISSIONER ZECH:
All right.
Thank you.
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with the resource conservation and control act.
3' There are some difference I believe in just what that 4
may mean-in terms of to what axtent one handles things like 5
selecting alternate concentration levels for a specific site.
6 Certainly our RCRA people are much involved in this-7 as is the Office of Radiation Programs somewhat in the middle.
8 I don't think we feel that we've seen the bottom line on either 1.
9 side of the issue as yet but I do feel very much that the two 10 offices are working at it.
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All right.
Thank you very much.
You may proceed Bob.
13 MR. BERNERO:
The last item here of EPA's desire for 14 site-specific concurrence on alternate concentration limits, 15 that was written out of that 1987 rulemaking that you approved 16 not long ago.
However, the NRC methodology for alternate 17 concentration limits is out for comment now and we are working 18 with EPA in the hope that we can satisfy them that that 19-methodology suffices.
That there is no need for them to 20 continue pursuit of site-specific concurrence.
21 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
You're still working on that 1
22 issue too, then.
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That's still working.
24 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
All right.
Thank you.
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like to take a few subjects still.
The Superfund or CERCLA --
3 we have overlapping problems here and there's a very timely 4
thing -- I believe just a few days ago:you received a 5
Commission paper on the memorandum of understanding between the 6
NRC -- well actually, it's a region-region understanding -- the EPA region and our folks -- on the Church Rock Uranium Mill.
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It's one of these cases where because the site was put on the 9
national priorities list, we have dual jurisdiction explicitly 10 present.
11 The Superfund list or national priorities list, EPA 12 has very strict control.
Once a site is on that list, it can't 13 be waived off.
It's very difficult to get a site off of it 14 short of doing the remedial action -- whatever is appropriate.
15 They do have a policy which avoids undue dual 16
. regulation.
The EPA policy is that if a site is regulated by 17 the NRC they won't put it on their national priorities list 18 because it's already under surveillance-or control.
19 This particular site was turned over as part of an agreement state program to the State of New Mexico and when the 12 0 21 uranium industry had its difficulties, the agreement state program in New Mexico had its difficulties and this site was 22 23 put onto the Superfund list.
There was a request made.
It was 24 one of two sites that were put on at that time.
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this bag but the important thing-is we don't want to get into
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11 COMMISSIONER ZECH:
We've just gotten that paper a 12 few days ago.
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We won't plead-for a vote at this 19 session.
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If-I could turn to slide number 23 nineteen there's a subject I know is dear to your hearts, 24 residual radioactivity.
We have a good deal of interaction 25 with EPA here.
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look at something like decommissioning of nuclear facilities 4
where we would say, "that's clean enough to walk away from," or 5
"that's clean enough to send to a scrap yard for scrap 6
recovery," or something like that.
7 Their actions and their timetables which, just like 8
ours, are resource constrained, don't meet our needs.
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9 now as I'm sure you're aware from the other briefings on this 10 subject, we're sort of running out ahead and trying to get 11 things done and get things into place and once again, we're r
12 relying on communication with the EPA to make sure that we can 13 keep an open dialogue on it as we propose things that are certainly redundant or congruent with their jurisdiction.
11 4 We have the decommissioning rules which you approved 15 not long ago and we're in the implementation process on them.
16 That 17 We have the policy statement on below regulatory concern.
18 work is going on.
We'll be back before you discussing that 19 very shortly.
We have a proposed international conference 20 coming up in early autumn.
l In all of this activity, we're trying to keep very 21 open channels of communication with EPA in the hope that we 22 won't be sewing the seeds of later controversy with what we're 23 24-doing.
We're pushing very hard on this and it is an area of 25 substantial overlap between us and the EPA.
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below regulatory concern issue I appreciate your emphasizing that you are coordinating with EPA.
I think the Commission 4-will be very interested to hear if EPA has any-concern in that 5
area so I'just emphasize that -- ask you to continue 6
coordinating with EPA on that issue.
7 MR. BERNERO:
We will do so.
8 COMMISSIONER CARR:
What's your timetable for 9
solution of that particular problem of residual radioactivity 10 limits?
You think you and EPA -- are you working towards some 11 12 MR. BERNERO:
We don't have a-clear timetable over' 13 the-necessary period of I would estimate three to'four years.
14 Something of that order.
In order to get at least prototypical 15 standards down for some key things.
There are activities going 16 on that suggest that we'll be able to draw a timetable up, that 17 is, between EPA and the NRC by something like next year.
18 EPA has taken certain initiatives with CIRRPC, you-19 remember the coordinating body on radiation standards, where 20 certain residual activity in soils, things like plutonium in 21 soil, and that sort of stuff, are being examined.
Its guidance 22 or tentative standards that EPA had developed in past years and 23 they're being brought up for a more rigorous evaluation and 24 I'll say a more formal adoption.
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feasible within several years but it's not on anyone's 4
timetable that I know of -- not any master plan.
5 COMMISSIONER CARR:
Are we waiting for 6
decisionmakers?. Are we waiting for research?
I don't 7
understand why it takes so long.
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So we'll have something on the table and perhaps 12 that can-cause things to move faster.
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15 list maybe we need to see if we can help.
16 MR. BERNERO:
We will consider that.
I would say it 17 is decision making more than research that is needed.
18 COMMISSIONER CARR:
It should be a solvable problem.
19 MR. BERNERO:
Yes.
i 20 CHAIRMAN ZECH:
We need the facts to go with it, of We appreciate the fact that you are working on that 21 course.
22 problem.
Let's keep it up near the top of your list so that if 23 the facts are in and if you are just waiting for a decision, we 24 will be given the opportunity to make that decision.
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will be a very useful vehicle to illustrate this and to be a 5
vehicle to go out exhorting EPA as appropriate.
6 CHAIRMAN ZECH:
Yes, it sounds like it.will.
Let's 7
proceed.
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9 MR. BERNERO:
Let me turn to slide 20.
You have 10 heard mentioned earlier the EPA /NRC Interface Council, l
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21-We work with as NMSS has the larger part of our 22 interaction, I serve as the sort of principal management 23 representative to make sure our people, all NRC people 24 affected, NRR, Research, the general counsel and so forth, I 25 coordinated our need to make sure the appropriate players are
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in EPA.
4 What we have is a regular series of meetings on the ep 5
order of once a quarter and we work up an agenda to.make sure 6
that items of regulatory interest which overlap, interact or 7
contradict, if that be the case, are brought to the appropriate-8 attention and this serves to make sure there is an open line of 9
communication to resolve issues.
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Mr. Stallo has signed 11 the formal version for us.
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EPA, because of their statutory 20 charter, has a major role in that.
They are a representative 21 on the CIRRPC Executive Committee as well as the Full 22 Committee.
23 Under that charter, there is a good deal of 24 interaction where it serves our interest of simplifying or 25 smoothing things with EPA.
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13 and a need to satisfy them, the NRC and the EPA are working on 14 these issues one at a time, methodically and persistently.
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It is not going to go away.
The 17 interface is complex.
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18 further attention but it appears to us and the staff that the 19 problem is being worked appropriately.
This is not to say that we won't perhaps identify 20 21 some really grave policy difference or something like that, that on its own merits in that own specific instance, might 22 23 call for Commission attention, Commission dialogue with EPA.
In the meanwhile, given the broad range of issues we 24-25 have to work with, we think the interface with EPA on
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3 CHAIRMAN ZECH:
Thank you very much.
4 MR. STELLO:
We are through, Mr. Chairman.
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Commissioner Roberts?
7 COMMISSIONER ROBERTS:
CIRRPC, when was that 8
established?
9 MR. BERNERO:
It is the old Federal Radiation Council 10 and I think it must be getting on five or six years old.
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12 MR. MACRIS:
Early 1980's.
13 MR. BERNERO:
It is in this Administration.
14 CHAIRMAN ZECH:
Commissioner Carr?
15 COMMISSIONER CARR:- In the area of mixed waste, I 16 understand there are two requirements for applying for a 17 permit, one for a permit and one for a license and we were
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How are we doing on that?
One request 20 to satisfy both our requirements.
21 MR. BERNERO:
I should have introduced the staff at 22 the table because they are very important in this program.
Mai 23 Knapp from the Division of Low Level Waste and Decommissioning.
24 Mike Bell and Kitty Dragonette on my right.
25 Mal, could you please answer that?
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At this point,'after-looking at 2
that concept with some' care, we are not pushing it real hard.
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First, to develop that kind of guidance 4
at this time would appear to be quite resource intensive.
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could be talking about several FTE.
When we balance this 6
against our current perception of the needed guidance, based on 7
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and that are regulated directly by the NRC and by EPA, our 11 0 current information is there will only be one.
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13 the states that are working-as'either NRC agreement states or 14 EPA authorized states or both because they have internal 15 procedures they must work out.
11 6 What we have done instead is to emphasize giving 17 attention to those specific states and provide help as much as 18 we can.
An examp'le of that is what we have done in the State 19 of Washington, where the firm, U.S. Ecology, that has a low 20 level waste disposal site, is quite interested in pursuing a 21 mixed waste application.
We have worked with both the State of 22 Washington and EPA Headquarters and the Region, as well as U.S.
23 Ecology to provide any assistance we could.
We have met with 24 them both here and in the State of Washington to see what we 25 could do to expedite that.
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5 COMMISSIONER CARR:
Give me a couple of words on NARM 6
disposal, that EPA and us could find a way to get rid of NARM i
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I think we are working that problem.
I 10 will defer to the General Counsel.
11 MR. PARLER:
He was looking at me.
I give the legal.
12 memorandum and the legal memorandum indicated that it could 13 work that way but it was in this agency's discretion to say no 14-if. allowing the mixture would present from our standpoint a 15 regulatory problem.
You have the discretion to proceed and 16 whether or not you will proceed is not within my bailiwick.
17 COMMISSIONER CARR:
That's my question.
18 MR. BERNERO:
We have just read the General Counsel's 19 memorandum on the subject and are discussing it within staff..
20 It appears to us that it is a logical solution.
The 21 classification of NARM waste is technically consistent in 22 virtually every particular with our classification.
The 23 technical findings, we are not dealing with incompatible safety 24 matters.
We think that the system proposed in the EPA proposal 25 is manageable and doable.
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4 COMMISSIONER CARR:
Thank you.
5 CHAIRMAN ZFCH:
Commissioner Rogers?
6 COMMISSIONER ROGERS:
No additional questions.
7 CHAIRMAN ZECH:
Do our EPA representatives have_any 8
other. comments they would like to~make?
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Mixed waste indeed has been a difficult one 11 for both agencies.
I just wanted to point out that in official 12 congressional testimony, both agencies did ask the Congress to' 13 try to avoid this duplication.
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. 15' of the Low Level-Radioactive Waste Policy Act was such. a scary 16 thing for various members of Congress to do for fear of what 17 might drop out of that, that they said, hey, can't you agencies 18 at least now go back and work out something to make this work 19 so we don't have to open up this.can of worms in a legislative 7
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disposal rules that EPA is just about to send to OMB.
10 We do have-a consideration and a value set in terms 11 of an exposure for a below regulatory concern for that. specific 12-practice of low level radioactive waste disposal.
This does 13-not represent a value that could be used in the decommissioning 14 in.our view.
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That number would say what had to 20 be sent to a disposal site as opposed to what didn't have to 21 be?
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The number that is being 23 used in the draft paper is four millirem per year as an 24 exposure limit for any below regulatory concern.
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14 I would ask the staff to continue to work in these 15 areas we have discussed with EPA and we want to avoid if we can 16 requesting legislative fixes to these problems as long as wo 17 can resolve them ourselves.
I am pleased to hear and I know my 18 colleagues are, too, that is the effort you are pursuing.
19 I think it is important that we work closely with DOE 20 as well as our two agencies in many areas, especially the 21 reclamation of the mill tailing sites and also in the area of
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11 With that, we stand adjourned.
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The Honorable Lando W. Zech, Jr.
Chairman U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Comission Washington, D.C. 20555
Dear Chairman Zech:
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ACNW COMMENTS ON PROPOSED COMMISSION POLICY STATEMENT ON REGULATORY CONTROL EXEMPTIONS FOR PRACTICES WHOSE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY IMPACTS ARE BELOW REGULATORY CONCERN (BRC)
I Durin'g the second meeting of the Advisory Cemittee on Neclear Weste.
July 21-22,1988, we met with the NRC staff to discuss the referenced draft report.
This meeting represented a continuation of earlier discussions on this subject by the Waste Management Subcomittee of the Advisory Comittee on Reactor Safeguards. As a result of these reviews, we offer the following additional coments, which were affirmed on August 4,1988 during the third meeting of the ACNW.
l We believe that the proposed Policy Statement is not' presented in a q
logical manner, and it fails to address certain cuestions raised by you and your fellow Comissioners.
We believe that the Policy Statement should be revised to include the following coments and suggestions:
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Exerrptions should be based on an acceptable individual annual, as as
- lifetime, risk.
The values proposed (10~'/ year and welj/ lifetime) 10' appear reasonable.
Once this guidance has been presented and justified, comparable annual and lifetime dose limits should be given.
At this level of risk, we believe that the limitation on individual risk will be sufficient; we see no need to g a limit on the collective population dose.
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We agree with the NRC staff that, in all cases, each proposed exemption should be justified.
In this regard, applications ;
involving radiation exposures to members of the public which have no offsetting benefits should not be approved.
However, con-sidenbh._ care shoulcL be exercised in descri_oing practices that l would.be termed as frivolous.
3.
In those cases where an apparently useful application of radiation would result in individual risks slightly greater than the limits cited above, a cost-benefit analysis should be made to determine if the application should be designated as BRC.
Prior to undertaking such efforts, however, we believe that the methodology for conduct-ing such analyses should be carefully reexamined.
Specific items needing attention include the monetary value assigned per unit of 8/10..To EDO for Appropriate Action..Cpys to: RF. 88-0721 M L t t i o s e; L l - d p p ^
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collective dose averted.
In this regard, we suggest the develop-t ment of a system in which higher monetary values are used as the annual risk increases above the level considered to be BRC.
4.
Finally, the Policy Statement should require that, as a part of its implementation, all existing NRC exemptions be reviewed to ensure j
that they are commensurate with this approach, y
If these comments and suggestions are incorporated, the revised Policy Statement should be satisfactory for presentation at the upcoming
[ International Workthop on Rules for Exemption from Regulatory Control.
Sincerely, e
Dade W. Moeller Chairman
Reference:
U. 5. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, draft Commission paper (Pre-decisionai) for The Commissioners from Victor Stello, Jr., EDO,
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for Practices Whose Public Health and Safety Imphets are Below Regula-tory Concern (BRC), transmitted by memorandum from B. M. Morris, Director, Division of Regulatory Applications, RES, to R. F. Fraley, Executive Director, ACNW, dated July 14, 1988.
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