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THE UNITED STATES 2
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3
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In the Matter of:
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12 Deposition of 13 ADAM WILHELM MILLER O
24 the deponent, c 11ed ter exeminetion by the etere et the 15 Nuclear Regulatory Commission, pursuant to notice, beginning 16 at 2:06 o' clock p.m.,
when were present on behalf of the 17 respective parties:
18 For the Nuclear ReculatorY Commission:
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3 Adam the' purpose of our inquiry today is to 4 continue our investigation into the flow of information at 5 Three Mile Island on March 28 th, 1979.
6 Whereupon, 7
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8 having been first duly sworn by M r. Ha rpst..., was examined 9 and testified as follows:
10 EXAMINATION 11 BY MR. HARPSTER:
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Would you state your full name for the record, 13 please.
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Adam Wilhelm Miller.
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What was your position at Metropolitan Edison on 16 the day of the accident?
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I was a shift foreman.
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Adam, our review of your previous testinony 19 indicates that you arrived on site about 6:30 a.m.
on March 20 28, 1979, went directly to the Unit II control room and you 1
21 remained there in dif f erent capacities until approximately 22 midnight.
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1 monitoring radiation equipment that we had there in the 2 control room.
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Can you place yourself physically in the control O
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When you say you were monitoring, is this the 5 ARMS in the back of the control room ?
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Yes.
It was behind the main front panels and 7 occasionally I was going to the front but I was mostly in 8 the back.
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So you were in between the front panel and the 10 back panel?
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Yes.
12 0
Who was directly supervising you?
13 A
I don't remember.
It was one of ivo people.
It 14 was either* Bill Zewe or Greg Hitz.
I don't remember.
15 0
Do you recall who else was in the immediate 16 vicinity?
17 A
Oh, there was Fred Scheimann who was in the 18 immediate area where I was, and Lynn Wright, one of the 19 control room operators.
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Would you describe your recollections and actions 21 at the time of the containment pressure spike and 22 immediately subsequent to i t ?
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Well, my recollection was that there was a
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Were there discussions among the operators or 2 other people present as to the cause of the spike?
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Right when it happened there wa s discussion.
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He was relieving some 6 pressure.
He was maintaining the pressure in the reactor 7 coolant system.
Right when he opened the valve that is when 8 it seemed like the pressure spike occurred.
Even though we 9 didn't have any basis for saying it, we almost thought it 10 was due to the sudden escape of steam or something like that 11 right at the time.
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Is it four impression then, at least in your own 13 r ecollec tio n, that people thought the spike was real 7s
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I don't know.
I can't tell you that.
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Do you recall the containment spray pumps starting?
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Well, T don't recall when they started.
I recall 18 when they were turned off.
The only indication you have 19 that the pump starts is the green to red light.
I don't 20 recall that happening but I recall them being turned off.
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Were you aware of other indications of the SFAS 22 actuation, for instance, the containment isolation?
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I don't specifically recall.
I must have been.
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Let me ask you one more.
How about the isolation 2 of'the intermediate cooling system at the time?
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That doesn't particularly stand out.
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Would you say in general that people were aware of 6
these things as a result of the SFAS?
Were there a lot of 7 actions that took place?
What I.am trying to do is get a 8 feel for whether or not there were a lot of things which 9 happened at that time that people would generally be aware 10 of or if there were relatively few indications of the 11 pressure spike.
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Well, other than the building spray pumps 13 s ta rting, the same things would have happenqd that ' occurred
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So it wouldn't have :tood out any 1'7 more than a four-pound actuation except for the fact that 18 the building spray pumps started.
19 MR. HOEFLINGs Do you think tha t somebody who was 20 present in the control room could have missed the event and 21 not have recognired that you had a spike and the consequent 22 actions that followed?
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There were maybe 60 or 70 25 people in the control room.
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4 room could have been looking the other way or have been out 5 of earshot of alarms and what-have-you and missed this kind 6 of event.
Is that r ea so na ble ?
7 THE WITNESS:
It is reasonable, yes, if somebody 8 was in another part of the control room.
I don 't know who 9 you mean -tur "somebody," but of all the people in,there I am 10 sure there were a lot of them who weren't aware of what I
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THE WITNESSs Well, like I said, there were maybe 14 60 or 70 people in there.
A lot of them weren't toc 15 familiar at all with the operation of the plant so, you 16 know, something could have happened and they wouldn't even 17 know it.
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So it would have been their lack of 19 familiarity with the control room or the situation?
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That type of person, yes.
You could 21 say the mechanical maintenance type person, something like 22 tha t could ha ppen and he wouldn 't really have know exactly 23 wha t happened.
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Well, the thing is at that time the major focus, 6 the way I remember it, was getting the plant in a stable 7 condition which at that time it wasn't, and limit whatever 8 damage was done, to limit it to no more damage being done.
9 Even though now looking back on it it seems like that was a 10 very significant event, at the time it was a relatively 11 mino'r thing.
The major thing was to get it in a stable 12 condition.
So, you know, nobody sat back and wondered about 13 that because there was 4 lot to do to get in a stable 14 condition.
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Do you recall any conversations at any time later 16 in the day with regard to the pressure spike or the l'7 con tainment spray or any of the indications that went with 18 it?
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No, not really.
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Let me ask you, at the time of pressure spike do 21 you recall whether or not there was an NRC inspector present 22 in the control room ?
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They could have been but I don't recall.
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As a follow-up to the indications of the pressure 6 spike did you or are you aware of anyone else who monitored 7 containment temperatures?
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You mean right at tha t time?
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Yes.
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There might have been somebody monitoring them 11 specifically but I wasn 't a ware of it.
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When you say that, do you mean as a result of a 13 containment pressore spike, or they were monitoring tha t in O
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I think somebody was looking a t that occasionally 16 from earlier in the day.
Since it wasn't something that you l'7 could get right from the front you had to go around to one 18 of the back panels to do that.
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The air inlet tem pera tu res ?
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Yes.
You have a multi-point recorder in there 25 that monitors the air flow.
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The reactor coolant pumps?
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Yes.
Do you have temperature monitors in their 3. vicinity?
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I don't knew exactly what temperature you are 5 talking about.
I didn 't know that we had a reactor coolant 6 pump air temperature.
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You have an air inlet temperature in the vicinity 8 of those pumps.
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The reactor coolant pumps?
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Yes.
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That is a new one.
I don ' t know about that one.
12 If I knew exactly what temperature you are talking about, 13 what temperature indication you are talking about.
I am not 14 aware that there is a reactor coolant pump air inlet 15 temperature recorder.
Is that exactly what 16 0
I am trying to remember the physical name of the 17 monitoring point that measures the air in the vicinity of 18 the reactor coolan t pumps, the air temperature.
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'd e ll, there are temperature recorders that monitor 20 air temperature in different parts of the reacter buildino, 21 but there are none that are specifically for like air.
I 22 don't know what you mean.
You mean air passing through the 23 motor?
There are temperatures that are in that vicinity,
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How about any instruments which use containment 2 pressure as a reference?
3 MR. VOIGTs Ehat is the question?
4 MR. HARPSTERa If anyone monitored those 5 instruments as a result of the con tainment pressure spike, 6 for instance, the steam generator pressure or something like 7 that, the reactor coolant system pressure which uses the 8 containment pressure as reference.
9 THE WITNESS:
Do you mean if anybody looked to see 10 if there were any jumps?
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Any indication on those, yes.
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Right at the time I don't think so.
15 MP. HOEFLINGs By "later on" what do you mean, 16 days later or hours later?
I'7 THE WITNESS:
Days or weeks, I don't know.
18 MR. HOEFLINGs But on the 28th you don't recall 19 anyone looking at these references to see if there was an 20 indication?
21 THE WITNESS:
Not that I am aware of.
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I don't know.
You mean to walk around the outside 5 of it to see that'there are no cracks in the building?
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Our understanding was to determine whether or not 7 the containment might have failed as a result of the rapid 8 pressure decrease af ter the containment pressure spike.
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I guess I don 't u nd ersta nd exactly.
You mean to 10 take a survey of the building and look for cracks?
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A physical tour of the outside to see if there 12 were any visible signs of damage.
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Wera you aware of any concern that 15 containment integrity migi t have been breached following the 16 pressure spike on the afternoon of 3/28?
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No.
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Did you hear any requests for special radiation 20 surveys after the time period of the spike?
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No.
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When you say " don't do anything," does that mean 8 change of status of any equipment-or were there any more 9 details associated with it than that?
Do you recall what 10 the specific concern was?
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No, not on the 28th.
16 MR. HOEFLINGs Can you pin down a little bit 17 better when that instruction was given on the 28th?
You 18 said either late on the 28th or in the ea rly morning.
Can 19 you pin that down?
20 THE WITNESS:
It was either late in the afternoon 21 or early evenino.
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Early evening of the 20th?
23 THE WITNESS:
Yes.
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Bef ore or af ter the main reactor 25 coolant pump was started?
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I believe it was af ter the reactor 2 coolant pump was started and that was considered to be a 3
relatively stable condition and we didn't want to do fsb 4 anything to affect that.
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Adam, you have previously testified that later in 7
the af ternoon of March 28 th you' got enough of a turnover to 8 relieve Fred Scheimann as the shift foreman.
Do you recall 9 about what time that would be?
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It was approximately three or four o' clock in the 11 afternoon.
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Could you describe then your duties and what 13 location you were at?
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Well, from that time on until I left I was pretty 15 much positioned at the shif t foreman 's desk.
I was in the 16 back of the control room and mostly all I did from then on l'7 was just act as a communica tor.
I didn't really have too 18 much to do with operations from that point on.
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You have previously testified tha t Bill Zewe was 20 still the shif t supervisor when you relieved Fred 21 Scheimann.
Can you recall in what capacity Joa Chwastyk was 22 functioning at the time?
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Officisi capacity.
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I couldn't tell you any more.
5 MR. HOEFLING4 Did you say that Chwastyk was the 6 shift supervisor at tne time?
7 THE WITNESS:
No, he was a shift supervisor.
8 MR. HOEFLING:
The shift supervisor in you view 9 was Bill Zewe at that time?
10 THE WITNESS:
He was either Bill or Greg Hitz.
I 11 don't remember any more for sure actually who had the duty 12 at tnat time.
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Were you briefed or did you have any discussions 15 v.'th Joe Chwastyk that afternoon?
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Not that I can renember.
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Shortly after 3 o' clock in the afternoon when 22 plant pressure had pretty much bottomed out at the minimum 23 of around 400 pounds the electromagnetic block valvo was 24 shut.
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Do you recall the reason why it was shut, if this 2 was a change in strategy that af ternoon ?
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No.
I believe I must have been in the back of the 7-V) 4 room by then and I wasn't really getting too much 5 information from exactly what was going on up front.
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Do you recall who was in charge of the control 7 room in the afternoon when Miller was at th e Lt. Governor's?
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I don't know for sure.
You mean who was the 9 emergency director?
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Yes.
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I don't remember for sure who it was.
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I don't remember that there was really any more 16 than at any other time that day.
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Can you recall when Miller returned from the Lt.
18 Governor's office that he announced that he was then the 19 emergency director and took control of the control room?
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It seems that he did.
Again, I can't say for sure 21 but i remember when he came back.
I dont' remember for surc 22 if he announced it to everybody in the control room that he ncM 23 was not assuming the emergency director's duties.
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Later afternoon.
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5 Can you recall if on the 29th or at any time after 6 the 28th an order was given not to change the status of any 7 electrical equipment in containment because of a concern 8 over sparking?
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Yes, I can recall that that was given, th a t that 10 order was civen not to start DC pumps in the reactor 11 building because of that reason.
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Can you recall on what day that was?
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I can't really say for sure what day it was.
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As best as I can remember, it must have been given 1S at some time when I wasn't there and then I got it on 17 turnovar.
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It was definitely subsequent to the 28th?
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Yes.
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Can you tell us when you came back to the control 21 room on the 29th?
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About 7:30 in the morning.
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You don't think that the 3 instruction was given on Thursday or you don't think you g-V) 4 were informed of it on Thrusday?
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Well, I don't think I was aware of 6 it on Thursday.
If it was given I don't think I was aware 7 of it on Thursday.
8 MR. HOEFLING:
How late did you stay there on 9 Thursda7?
10 THE WITNESS:
I would say until about 3:30.
11 MR. HOEFLING:
Then you left and did you return on 12 Friday morning?
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Friday, at 6:30 Friday morning.
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Th e sa m e pa t te r n, you left in the 15 afternoon on Friday?
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Yes.
17 MR. CRAIG Is there a reason why you don't 18 believe it was given on the 28th?
19 THE WITNESS:
Well, nothing specific.
The way I 20 can remember it, it seems like it was a couple of days 21 later.
The way I remember it, it wasn't that first day and 22 I don't think it was the second day.
I sort of thought it 23 was on Friday.
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I would say maybe Thursday evening 5 or something like that.
6 MR. HOEFLING:
Pa rdon ?
7 THE WITNESSs The word might have been put out 8 late Thursday.
If I got it on Frida y morning's turnover I 9 assume it was put out sometime between 3:30 and 7.
10 MR. HOEFLING:
Who would have given you the word?
11 THE WITNESS:
The foreman I relieved.
I don't 12 remember for sure who that was.
13 MR. HOEFLING The foreman that you relieved would 1-4 have passed that information on to you?
15 THE WITNESS Yes.
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Let me ask you one more ques h regard to 18 the spiking.
Do you recall if Gary Miller was present in 19 the control room during the spike?
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No.
He could have been or he couldn't have been.
21 I don 't know.
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Do you recall if Mike Ross was present in the 23 control room during the spike?
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I don't know.
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8 We will provide you with a transcript and we would 9 appreciate it if you would provide us with any corrections 10 tha t you see appropria te.
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