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UNITED STATES OF AMERIC m
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
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1 In the Matter of:
2 IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW 3
of Ro'ert D. McCann 4
D Radiation Protection Foreman 5
6 7
8 Trailer #203 9
NRC Investigation Site TMI Nuclear Power Plant 10.
Middletcwn, Pennsylvania 11 l
May 3.1979 1 21 (Date of Interview) 13l June 20, 1979 l
.(Date Transcript Typed) 14, 102 15 (Tape Number (s))
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21 NRC PERSONNEL:
22 Douglas M. Collins, Radiation Specialist 23 Dale E. Donaldson, Radiation Specialist 24 Mark E. Resner, Investigator 25:
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RESNER:
The following interview is being conducted of Mr. Robert D.
2 McCann.
Mr. McCann is a radiation protection foreman with the Metro-3 politan Edison Company at the Three Mile Island Site.
Present time is 4
3:42 pm eastern daylight time and the date is May 3, 1979.
This inter-S view is being conducted in trailer #203 located just south of the south 61 entrance of the Three Mile Island Nuclear Facility.
Individuals present 7
for this interview are Douglas M. Collins, Mr. Collins is a radiation 8
specialist, Region II of the USNRC.
Also present, Dale E. Donaldson.
9 Mr. Donaldson is a radiation specialist, Region I of the USNRC.
The 10 l
moderator of this interview is Mark E. Resner.
I am an investigator with the Office of Inspector and Auditor of the USNRC.
Prior to this 12!
interview being taped, Mr. McCann was given a two page document ex-13 plaining his rights concerning information to be obtained regarding the 14, Three Mile Island incident.
This document apprised Mr. McCann of the i
15 purpose, scope, and authority to conduct this investigation.
In the 16:
second page of this document Mr. McCann had signed and dated indicating 17; that he understood that the document and also answered three questions 18 which I will now read.
Question number one, do you understand the 19 above? Mr. McCann has indicated that he has, by checking yes.
Is that 20 correct, Mr. McCann?
21l 22 MCCANN:
That's correct.
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RESNER:
Question Number 2, do we have your permission to tape your 2
interview? Mr. McCann has indicated yes.
Is that correct, Mr. McCann?
3 4
MCCANN:
That's correct.
5 6
RESNER:
Question number 3, do you want a copy of the tape? Mr. McCann 7
has indica'.ed that he does.
Is that correct Mr. McCann?
8 9
MCCANN:
That is correct.
10 11 RESNER:
We will provide you at a later date with a copy of the tape.
12 Briefly Mr. McCann for the benefit for those...you might want to mention 13 that Mr. Yuhas has just joined us. Excuse me.
Also joining us in this 14 interview will be Mr. Gregory P. Yuhas.
Mr. Yuhas is a radiation 15 specialist of Region I of the USNRC.
Briefly, Mr. McCann, could you 16 give us your experience in the nuclear industry?
17 18l MCCANN:
Prior to coming to Three Mile Island i'n 1969, I had no nuclear i
19i experience.
I joined TMI staff as an analyst senior working in the 20 chemistry department and health physics department.
I went through 42
~21 weeks of training admitted provided.
Testing every week.
Went into 22 health physics.
I attended the radiological health training school in 23 24 25
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1 Rockville, Maryland.
I attended two weeks of training at the University 2
of Michigan, and I have been foreman since 1974 on the site for initial 3
fueling at Three Mile Island and all the refueling outages of Unit I.
4 RESNER:
Thank you, Mr. McCann.
We will now turn the questioning over 6
to Mr. Donaldson.
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DONALDSON:
We are going to say our name first so the typist can know 9
who's talking.
Our period of interest of the event of Three Mile 10 Island is from the 28th thru midnight on 30th, we realize that's kind 11 of a broad time frame.
Its been over a month now.
We would like to 12 draw on whatever memory you do have on the situation and we would like 13 to start by just turning the floor over to you and sort of take us 14 through what you did, what you observed, what you thought you observed, 15 beginning with your arrival on the site, whatever time that may have 16 been on the 28th.
And we will ask pertinent questions for clarification 17 as you go.
18 19l MCCANN:
Well, It has been over a month ago, my memory is a little 1
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sketchy here.
I remember coming to the site that morning.
I arrived 21 at the site North Bridge approximately 7:15.
I noticed at the time 22 that they we*e turning personnel away from the gate, not allowing them 23 on the Island, I stopped and the guard asked me if I was health physics, 24 he wasn't sure.
And upon telling him that I was health physics, he 25
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1 told me that health physics and operations where the only ones allowed 2
on the site, and go.
I come onto 5e island, went to the office, 3
radiation protection supervisor's office.
Found nobody, still not 4
knowing what was happening, I heard them page Dick Dubiel on the phone, 5
picking up the phone on the page, trying to find out what was going on.
Still, not finding out what happened.
He told me to go to Unit II, health physics lab, assist Joe Deman.
I went to Unit II health physics 8
lab and didn't find Joe Dema'n.
I went to the Unit II control room.
At 9
that point they sent me to the Unit I HP lab.
At this point it gets a 101 little hectic, I think, I'm not sure what happened.
But., I stayed at 11 the Unit I health physics lab and as far as I can remember and I'm not 12 sure of times or anything, that the ECS did, I'm not sure if they were 13 there when I got there, I don't think that they were, but they did 14 arrive.
I talked to them on the phone, more or less just standing by.
15 They had a phone talker there.
16 17 DONALDSON:
Ok, we will try to help you through.
18' 19 MCCANN:
Good.
t 20 21 DONALDSON:
When you arrived at the ECS, which at that time was the 22 Unit I chem HP area.
Who do you recall seeing?
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MCCANN:
I don't really recall Dale.
2 3
DONALDSON:
Can you picture who might have been in charge?
4 5
MCCANN: Tom Mulleavy he was in charge of the lab and I more or less 6
stood by, still hadn't found out what had happened.
We stayed in the 7
lab for a while and the activities started going up the cour,ter where 8
going up.
9 10 DONALDSON:
Where you back in the laboratory area sort of trying to 11 stay out of the way or were you asking Mr. Malavey if you could assist.
12 13 MCCANN:
I asked him if I could assist, but right at the time we had 14 phone talkers on the emergency phone system.
We had a talkers on the 15i emergency lines in the plant.
He just told us to stand by, assist in l
16 any way that I could, if I was needed.
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18l DONALDSON:
Did you hear any of the discussions that was going on 19 between the phone talker or between Mr. Malavey and anyone else to try 20 to get a picture of what was going on, did you ask any one else in the i
21 area?
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1 MCCANN:
At the time, I did ask and they told me that they had a problem.
2 What I understand was that the gas bubbles came down out of the pres-3 surizer into the reactor vessel 4
5 DONALDSON:
Was that an understanding at the time or something you have 6
gotten since?
7 8
MCCANN:
I think piecing together what I heard there and what I heard 9
since, I think that's probably, nobody said that that's exactly what 10 had happened. I'm not sure if at that time anybody was really positive 11 of what happened.
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13 DONALDSON:
Did you ever hear any information regarding any surveys 14; that may have been done in areas of the plant such as the Aux Building?
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MCCANN:
Of Unit 2? No I didn't.
Uh, except that they had to evacuate 17 the Unit 2 HP area.
But no indications or nobody said what the dose 18l rate was or you know just that the air activity was up.
19l 20 MCCANN:
That is correct.
And I asked someone where everybody was and 21 they said we would go to the Unit 2 control room.
I went up there.
22 There was a monitor at the door entering to the HP area in Unit II.
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-1 YUHAS:
Could you briefly describe the conditions in the Unit II 2
Control when you walked in?
3 4
MCCANN:
Ah, briefly describe it. Ah 5
DONALDSON:
What ware the' number of people, who was in charge.
7 0
MCCANN:
I don't know who was in charge.
A number of people, I don't 9
know, I would just say just at a glance, a dozen, I am not sure.
10 11
.YUHAS:
Did you have the opportunity to glance at the Unit II ARN area 12 radiation monitoring panel?
13 14 MCCANN:
No Sir, I did not.
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16 YUHAS:
You left the Unit II control shortly after arrival.
Is that 17 correct?
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19 MCCANN:
That's correct.
20 21 YUHAS:
And you went back to Unit I.
The HP lab?
22 23 MCCANN:
That's. correct,'the HP lab in Unit I.
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1 YUHAS:
OK, while you were there were you a party to decisions to draw 2
a primary coolant sample?
3 MCCANN:
No Sir.
5 0
YUHAS:
OK, about how long were you in the Unit I HP area?
7 8
MCCANN:
I'm not sure.
9 10 YUHAS:
Did you leave there before noon or after noon or?
11' 12 MCCANN:
As everyt.ody exited the area when the air activity went up, I 13 was stationed outside the HP area.
The air activity had gone up and I 14 was outside, more or less as a control point watch to make sure, to 15 keep people from entering the area.
161 17 YUHAS:
When you were outside the door in a kind of vestibule area.
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';v had what, some repair parties, some monitors, etc. waiting orders.
19l Right?
i 20 21 MCCANN:
I had nobody, with the exception of a technician.
The repair 22 party was not, at that time, in the vestibule outside with me.
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9 YUHAS:
OK.
2 3
MCCANN:
They may have been outside in the turbine building, I'm not 4
sure.
5 6
YUHAS:
Allright. Were you evacuated from that area when the ECS was 7
changed to the Unit I control room?
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MCCANN:
The HP area?
10 11 YUHAS:
Yea.
12 13 MCCANN:
I was evacuated from the HP area and was told by Mr. Mulleavy 14 to stay outside the door to the control room, to the controlled area.
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16i YUHAS:
About how long did you man that position?
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MCCANN:
Again, I'm not sure of the time, I would say a couple of hours 19l I'm not sure.
20' 21 YUHAS:
OK.
In that couple of hours period, did you have anyone make 22 an entry into the Unit 1 control area?
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MCCANN:
Not that I recall.
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YUHAS:
OK. This would put you to late af ternoon on the 28th.
Probably 4
somewhere around 3:00 in the afternoon.
Where were you assigned after 5
you left the control point?
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MCCANN:
I went to the observation center.
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YUHAS:
What was your task there?
10 11 MCCANN:
I really wasn't given a task.
I think everybody was too busy 12 to give me a task.
13 14 DONALDSON:
Did you feel left out at this time?
15' 16 MCCANN:
Sort of, I ah, I don't know, I just, it was, I know everybody 17 was busy.
I was trying to get supplies that people needed.
At that 181 time I just went to the observation center and stood by.
I 19l 20 DONALDSON:
Let me ask you a couple of questions about the observation 21 center, in the back room which would be the room overlooking the plant, 22 facing the facility.
Do you recall what activities where being conducted 23 in that area?
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MCCANN:
They had, from my recollection, an ECS set up there.
2 DONALDSON:
OK, you say an ECS.
Were the offsite monitoring teams 4
being directed from that location?
5 6
MCCANN:
From what it sounded like on the radio, it sounded that way, yes.
But I'm not sure if they were or not.
8 9
DONALDSON:
Do you recall who was involved in that direction?
10 11 MCCANN:
No, I don't remember who it was.
12 13 COLLINS:
You mentioned a Mulleavy telling you to stand by and maintain 14 control'of entries in Unit I.
Who gave you the, who told you to head 15 over to the observation center? Do you recall that?
16 17 MCCANN:
No, I don't recall who that was.
Somebody came back and said 18(
we were supposed to leave that area.
But I don't recall who it was.
19 20 DONALDSON:
Do you recall if anyone relieved you either in the Unit I 21 HP and Chem Unit or outside the door to control access?
22 23 MCCANN:
No one relieved me personally, no.
There was a guard there.
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DONALDSON:
There was a guard located where?
2 MCCANN:
Outside the labrinth the door going into the HP area of the 4;
control point.
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DONALDSON:
Was he there when you left or did he evacuate with you
'7 also?
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MCCANN:
It ak he was there when I left yet.
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11 DONALDSON:
At the observation center, you were again kind of waiting 12 for direction, when did someone come up and grab a hold of you and give 13 you something to do?
14 15l MCCANN:
I don't recall.
16' 17 COLLINS:
Do you recall seeing Mr. Limroth or any operations people 18l over there?
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I 20 MCCANN:
I saw all kinds of peopla over ther,e.
Operations people, what 21 type of operations, I saw operators, there was lots of people over 22 there.
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Who appeared to be in charge over there?
2' 3
MCCANN:
I think Dave Limroth was there.
I'm really not sure.
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COLLINS:
When you exited the island which way did you take out?
6 7
MCCANN:
I went out the north gate.
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COLLINS:
Were there any frisking stations set up, other than the normal ones at that point yet? For example, were there any frisking at the north gate bridge or were there any frisking stations after you got 12 over the observation center?
13 14 MCCANN:
I took my vehicle, I don't recall of any frisking stations.
15; 16 DONALDSON:
Would that be a normal procedure to establish monitoring 17 stations for vehicles and people leaving the site?
18 19 MCCANN:
Yes.
20 21 DONALDSON:
Where would these stations had been located?
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MCCANN:
Normally we should have one set up at the north gate, I would 2
-say.
Later we-did set one up at the sub-station, the 500 KV substation.
3 DONALDSON:
Did you work in the area of the 500 KV substation in frisking and monitoring individuals coming offsite?
6 7
MCCANN:
Yes.
8 9
DONALDSON:
Why don't you describe for us a little bit the situation 10 over there, how many people you monitored, whether or not you found any 11 comtamination?
12 13 MCCANN: We had the old, 500 KV was filled with vehicles, mine included.
14 I went down there with my vehicle.
They' frisked all individuals coming 15 in, and vehicles, they' brought them into the 500 KV and prior to them 16 leaving they. frisked all the vehicles and the personnel.
Yeah, we 17 found some contamination.
We'had some guards that were contaminated 18 that names I don't recall.
We took their uniforms off of them.
And I 19
.think there were come operators that were contaminated.
20 21 DONALDSON:
Did anyone log the names of the individuals who where found 22 to be contaminated or possible followup action?
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MCCANN:
I don't think they did.
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DONALDSON:
Were you the only health physics supervisor in the area?
4 MCCANN:
Pete Velez and I were outside.
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DONALDSON:
And no one directed names to be taken for followup dose 0
assessments or whole body counts or anything of that nature?
9 10 MCCANN:
No.
11 12 COLLINS:
When did you go down to the 500 KV station to help out in the 13 frisking, and who told you go down there, if you recall?
14 15 MCCANN:
I don't recall who sent me down there.
But everybody was 16 directed to go down.
Again I don't recall who directed me to go down 17 there.
When I got down there all the frisking stations were already 18' established.
I think Fred Rice was there, I think I recall'him being 19 down there.
It seems that they had already had it set up down there 20 for a frisking station, and I don't know who set it up.
21 22 COLLINS:
Was this before dark, can you give an estimate of what time 23 this might have been?
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MCCANN:
It was before dark, but I have no recollection of the time.
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DONALDSON:
Bob, what under the emergency organization would be a 4
normal duty for you as a radiation protection foreman? What might be O
some of the possibilities?
6 7
MCCANN:
I feel I should have been in the ECS.
I know in the drills I 8
went through, I was a phone talker.
I talked on the. phone.
I think, 9
according to that, I feel accord'ing to the radiation emergency plan, I 10 should have been in the ECS.
11 12 DONALDSON:
You're stating that the positions in the ECS were very well j
13 filled by the time you got there?
That ultimately you ended up at the 14 frisking station set up at the 500 KV substation? At the time Mr.
15 Velez was over at the frisking station with you, do you recall having.
16i any contact with Mr. Houser?
17 18j MCCANN:
I don't recall having any contact with him.
i 19' 20 DONALDSON:
Do you recall having any contact with Mr. Houser on the 21 following day?
22 23 MCCANN:
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29th 30th?
2 MCCANN:
I don't know what days or what, it's hard 4
COLLINS:
Maybe if we can let you continue sort of chronologically, O
your over there and your see frisking going on, what next do you recall?
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MCCANN:
I know Pete came out, I recall interfacing with Pete that he 9
come out and said it was crapped up, contaminated he had his stuff 10 there, he said that he and Houser had pulled a primary sample.
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RESNER:
For the. record that last question was asked by Collins.
13 14 DONALDSON:
To what extent did you and Pete Velez discuss the taking of 15 the reactor coolant sample and the results?
16 17 MCCANN:
Prior to?
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19l DONALDSON:
After.
20 21' MCCANN:
He told me the NRC wanted the sample and that he and Houser
-22 drawed it.
I was surprised that they drawed one. But, uh?
23 24 DONALDSON:
Why were you surprised?
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MCCANN:
Well, I just am surprised after I found out what the dose rate 2
was on it, not prior to but after, he told me what the dose rate was on 3
the sample.
It seemed a bit high.
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DONALDSON:
And with that in mind you and Mr. Velez didn't have any 6
conversation about the conduct of that operation or possible. exposures 7
received t'y anyone as a result of that sample?
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MCCANN:
He told me that he had over an R exposure.
I don't recall any 10 other.
11 12 YUHAS:
Did he, Velez, tell you that he himself or Houser had any 13 significant contamination?
14 15lj MCCANN:
That's true, he did.
They were quite contaminated.
He told 16' me that he had, his body contamination was about 200 mr/hr, I think it 17 was.
That was quite high, yes.
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19 YUHAS:
Did you discuss any precautions or measures that should be 20 considered with those kind of levels of skin contamination?
21 22 MCCANN:
I had asked him if he had deconed and he said that they did 23 shower and I felt that they should go back in and shower some more.
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YUHAS:
And you advised him to do same?
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MCCANN:
Yea.
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DONALDSON:
Do you know if they did?
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MCCANN:
To.the best of my knowledge, yes, they did.
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00NALDSON:
Did you check on the result of that reshowering?
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MCCANN:
He still had contamination on him.
He couldn't remove it.
12 13 DONALDSON:
What action did you recommend or discuss with the individual?
14 15 MCCANN:
I didn't.
I don't think I recommended anything to him, other 16 than wrap it in plastic and try to sweat it out.
17 18 COLLINS:
You keep saying him.
Are you interfacing with Velez or 19 Houser or both?
20 21
~MCCANN:
Velez, no, I was interfacing with Velez.
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YUHAS:
Did you direct or did you, yourself record either the extent 2
or the magnitude of contamination on Houser or Velez?
3 4
MCCANN:
No sir, I did not.
5 61 YUHAS:
Do you know if they did?
7 8
MCCANN:
I do not know.
I assume that he did.
9 10 DONALDSON:
What normal procedures again, according to your emergency 1
plan implementing procedures, are to be followed if there are procedures I
for individuals who are contaminated?
13 14 MCCANN:
I think they should have went to the medical centers, try to 15 get deconed.
Should have had a whole body count.
16 17 YUHAS:
Was any of this suggested to Velez?
18 19 MCCANN:
I don't recall if I suggested it to him or not.
I don't know.
20 I may just have assumed that he knew that.
21 22 YUHAS:
Were you in commur.ication with Mulleavy or Dubiel when you were 23 at the 500 KV?
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'l MCCANN:
No, I don't recall being in communication with either of them.
2 No.
3 4
DONAl.DSON:
At any time subsequent to becoming aware that Mr. Houser 5
and Mr. Velez had residual contamination, did you pass this information 6
on to Mr. Limroth or to Mr. Dubiel or Mr. Mulleavy?
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MCCANN:
Myself personally, I did not.
Not that I recall, no, I did 9
not.
10 11 YUHAS:
When you were operating the 500 KV Frisking Station, were there 12 provisions made in terms of collection of bioassay samples or thumb 13 rules for whole body or thyroid scans criteria for sorting people? Had 14 anyone given you a procedure for setting up this alternate frisking 15 station as quick sort technique or anything like that?
16 17 MCCANN:
No, they did not.
It was already set up when I got there, 18L thought it was already done.
19 20 YUHAS:
Do you know who was running frisking station, names were they 21 HP radcon techs?
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-MCCANN: _There was, we had two girls down there, Loraine Aspei and Peg 2
Pelen, girls we.a down there.
Harry First was there as he couldn't 3
wear. respirator, so we put him down there.
4 5
YUHAS:
Could you briefly describe the occupational experience of Ms.
6 Pelen and Ms. Aspei?
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-8 MCCANN:
They don't have too much experience.
They are fairly new 9
employees.
Ms. Pelen was here about three months and Loraine was here 10 a shorter time than that.
11' 12 YUHAS:
Mr. First, has he been with the company a significant period 13 of time?
14 15 MCCANN:
Yes, he has.
16r 17 YUHAS:
Is he a senior at radchem tech?
1 18 19 MCCANN:
Yes, he is.
20 21 YUHAS:
You would have faith in him directing that operation then?
22 23 MCCANN:
For.that yes, for checking for centamination, yes.
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YUHAS:
What time did you go home on the first day?
2 3
MCCANN:
I don't-recall.
It was late.
4 5
YUHAS:
Can you recall what time you came back?
6 7
MCCANN:
About 7 in the morning.
8 YUHAS:
OK, and did you work 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> or more?
10 11' MCCANN:
And more, more I think it was.
12 13 YUHAS:
Again, was this work primarily 500 KV in the observation center?
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15l MCCANN:
Yes, and trying to set up TLD system in the, and again I am 16 not sure of the days.
But we were setting up the TLD system in the 17 second floor of the observation certer trying to get that operational.
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'19 YUHAS:
Where did the TLD readers come from?
20 21 MCCANN:
They came from the TLD trailer on the island.
22 23
.YUHAS-Does TMI routinely read their own TLD?
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24 MCCANN:
Yes, we do.
2 3
YUHAS:
Do you consider TLD to be the official badge of record?
4 5
MCCANN:
Yes.
6 7
YUHAS:
Could you describe the type and number of TLD readers that you 8
installed upstairs in the observation center:
9 10 MCCANN:
We had one TLD reader of our own.
It was a Harshaw that we 11.
were trying to set to get operational.
12 13 YUHAS:
OK and you are using a Harshaw dual chip TLD.
14 15 MCCANN:
Yes.
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17 YUHAS:
When you read it TLD on the Harshaw manual reader do you get a 18l heater glow curve or a numerical printout of light source emission.
19 20 MCCANN:
We get a numerical printout.
21 22 YUHAS:
Where are these printouts, are they retained, are they coded to 23 individuals?
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MCCANN:
Yes, they are.
Each badge is coded and it comes out on a 2
teletype and also on a punch tape.
The punch tape gets fed into the 3
computer and it comes out on a printout.
4 5
YUHAS:
Did you experience any difficulty in establishing the Harshaw reader?
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7 MCCANN:
Not that I recall any special difficulties that we had, no.
9 10 YUHAS:
Who was operating the reader?
11 12 MCCANN:
We had Ed Egenrider operating the reader.
13 14 YUHAS:
Who routinely operates the reader?
15 16 MCCANN:
Our technicians.
Ed Egenrider is one of our techt,icians.
He 17 is a senior technician.
18 19 YUHAS:
The dosimetry performed for onsite personnel then is the col-20 lateral duty of all radchem senior techs, or all techs, period.
21 22 MCCANN:
All techs, period.
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YUHAS:
Who trains them in the operation and interpretation of the TLD 2
reading system?
3 4
MCCANN:
Just the normal routine o p ration of it?
5 6
YUHAS:
Right.
7 8
MCCANN:
I think that was, that was a dual project.
I think all the 9
foremen went through it with all the technicians at one time or another.
10 11 YUHAS:
Generally how does the TLD result correlate to the pocket ion 12 chamber for single large exposures?
13 14 MCCANN:
Pretty closely.
I 15l 16 YUHAS:
Is there a trend in the TLD normally slightly lower or slightly 17 higher in the pocket dosimeter?
18 19 MCCANN:
TLD is normally slightly lower then the pocket dosimeter.
20i 21 YUHAS:
When you had the reader set up and you started counting the 22 badges, roughly whose badges were you counting and about how many did 23 you have to process?
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MCCANN:
We set it up mainly zeroing badges so we would have badges to 2
issue to personnel and people may have had a large exposure so that we 3'
could read their badge.
4 YUHAS:
About how many did you have to process a day?
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MCCANN:
I don't know.
I don't know the number.
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YUHAS:
Was it an inordinate number compared to the normal routine 10 processing?
11 12 MCCANN:
Yes, it was a lot.
13 14 YUHAS:
Was there any problems as far as inputting the tape into the 15, computer for updating exposure printouts?
I 16' 17 MCCANN:
I don't know.
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And you didn't get involved in trying to implement the tape 20 results?
21 22 MCCANN:
No, I did not.
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YUHAS:
Do you have any unusally high exposures in period of times when 2
you were working with the readers?
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MCCANN:
I wasn't there when it was read but they tell me Ed Houser's 5
badge was high.
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YUHAS:
So you spent the better part of the second day establishing the TLD capability there at the observation center?
9 10 MCCANN:
Part of it, yes.
11 12 YUHAS:
Is there anything else of interest that you did that day?
13 14 MCCANN:
[ LAUGHTER] It was a hectic day and I don't, everything ran 15i together.
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Okay.
Let's move on to the following date.
This would be 18 Friday, the 30th.
What time did you come to work that day?
19 20 MCCANN:
I was here I'm sure at 7 o' clock. (huh)!
21 22 YUHAS:
Okay, and your assignment on the 30th?
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MCCANN:
I think I was trying to get supplies and again, I don't know 2
which. day this was.
I don't know if this was the 29th or the 30th for 3
down at the 500 KV, like paper coveralls and things like this that we 4
didn't have. We didn't have a warehouse outside the island.
Trying to 5
get, you know,' supplies.
Trying to get a schedule up for technicians 6
.to get them on a, and then again, I don't know what day this was, you 7
know, the 29th or the 30th, to get them on 12 hour1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> shifts so.we'd have 8
more people, more personnel.
9 10 YUHAS: What was the first time that you returned to the island? Do 11 you remember what day that was?
12 13 MCCANN:
I don't remember the day.
14 15 DONALDSON:
At any time you were working in the observation center, did 16 you have occasion to check in with Mr. Dubiel or Mr. Malavey?
17 18 MCCANN:
I don't recall.
19 20 DONALDSON:
The request that you were filling for paper coveralls, and 21 this and that, where did these requests come from?
22 23 MCCANN:
The 500 KV, they needed them.
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DONALDSON:
And so, I would assume it took a lot less time than a full 2
day to round up some coveralls?
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MCCANN:
True.
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DONALDSON:
Who else had been directing your actions? Who was requesting 7
. things of you?
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'MCCANN:
Well, most times I was getting phone calls in the front room 10 of the observation center and again, I don't recall who I was talking 11 to.
I just don't recall.
12 13 DONALDSON:
What ware these phone calls about.
Were they just little 14 things that people wanted or was it information?
15 16 MCCANN:
I don't, it was mostly information, little things, I~ don't 17 recall them.
18 19 DONALDSON:
Do you recall at any time in that first three days when 20 technicians or consultants or individuals from other areas began to 21 arrive to assist?
22 23 MCCANN:
I don't, a, I don't understand that.
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Did you have any contact with any non-Met Ed people who may have been involved in conducting offsite surveys or coming in to help 3
supplement your health physics program?
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MCCANN: We had some people come in from Salem, to come in and help on 6
the offsite teams and we what would do is put somebody with them in the 7
duty area so they could get around at the same time train them, you 8
know break them in, so they could go out and grab the air samples and 9
do dose rates.
10 11 DONALDSON:
Were you involved in the training of these people?
12 13 MCCANN:
Did I go with them? No.
14 15 DONALDSON:
Did you arrange the integration of these people into your 16 organization?
17 18 MCCANN:
I helped, but to this day I don't know their names.
19 20 DONALDSON:
Do you know who was in charge of integrating these people?
21 22 MCCANN:
No sir.
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DONALDSON:
Do you know a gentleman named Sydney Porter?
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MCCANN:
Yes, I do.
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DONAL0 SON:
Was.Mr. Porter located at any time in the observation 6'
center working with these people?
7 MCCANN:
I' don't recall interfacing with Mr. Porter.
9 10 DONALDSON:
And you can't recall, who, if anyone was in charge of using 11 these people in the offsite areas?
12 13 MCCANN:
No sir.
14 15 YUHAS: What's the first significant action you remember on the island?
16 We are trying to figure when you came back on the job.
Was the NRC on 17 shift work when you came on? Had the three shifts been established?
18 Four or five NRC inspectors on each shift?
19 20 MCCANN:
I am.trying to recall.
I know when I came back in, I was 21 planning on coming back in and I didn't know what the structure was or 22 how we were going to work it, but I know I was planning on going to
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going back to Unit 1 lab.
I did talk to an NRC inspector, Serabian, I 2'
think his name was.
He was asking me about Unit 1 and what we had 3
planned on doing and I told him what my plans were, to try to get 4
Unit 1 back into a routine.
Clean it up, not a routine, you know, 5
clean it up and doing things, surveys that were supposed to have been 6
done and so on.
This was his concern and my concern at the time.
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thought I was going back into Unit 1.
It turned out I didn't.
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RESNER:
At this time we'll break to change the tape.
The time is now 10 4:22 p.m. eastern daylight time. This is a continuation of the interview 11 of Mr. Robert D. McCann.
The time is now 4:26 pm eastern daylight 12 time, and I will turn the interview over to Mr. Donaldson.
13 14 DONALDSON:
I guess when the tape ended we were discussing your return 15 to the Unit I area and it was your understanding or intent to begin to 16i reestablish routine health physics control in Unit I, is that correct?
17 18l MCCANN:
That's correct.
19f 20 DONALDSON:
You mentioned that you thought that they was your idea, did 21 your duty position change?
22 23 MCCANN:
Yea, I was told I was going to Unit II.
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DONALDSON:
Would you elaborate on what you did?
2 MCCANN:
[ LAUGHTER] I went over to Unit II control room, again I am not 4
sure of what really transpired when I reported there, ah, a lot of chaos there.
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DONALDSON:
Who did you report to?
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MCCANN:
I don't recall.
10 11 DONALDSON:
You did report to someone?
12 13 MCCANN:
Yea, I reported to Unit II, I certainly did.
But I don't 14 recall who I reported to, but I did go to Unit II.
15 16 DONALDSON:
Do you recall if Mr. Dubiel was in the control room at the 17 time?
18j 19 MCCANN:
l'am just trying to remember when I went up there, but not 20 even sure what day it was.
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COLLINS:
What was the status of the control room physically at that 2
time? Was the HP desk, ah, where was the HP desk located? Where did 3
you work from at that point?
4 MCCANN:
It was right inside the control room door, what have been the west control room door the enter of the control room.
That's where we were working from for HP.
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COLLINS:
What technicians were there for that day?
10 11 MCCANN:
I do not recall what technicians were there.
12 13 COLLINS:
What were your duties that day, what did you do?
14 15l MCCANN:
I don't recall.
16 17 DONALDSON:
At any time during the first three days from the 28 through 18 the 30 did you maintain a foreman's log book or any kind of notes on 19 your activities?
20 21 MCCANN:
No, I feel now that I should have, but I didn't.
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Prior to your interview, at any time was the fact that you 2
were going to be interviewed by the NRC discussed with you by Met Ed 3
personnel?
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MCCANN:
No it wasn't.
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YUHAS:
I think we are satisfied with your scenario and would like to 8
offer you the opportunity to make any comments or criticisms that you 9
might have, either gen 3 rally or specifically, coming out of this event.
10 11 MCCANN:
Well I don't really have any comments. At this time, I don't 12 think I have any comments on it.
13 14 YUHAS:
OK, fine.
Thank you very much for your cooperation comming out 15 here and siting in the rain with us.
Listening to the pitter patter 16 of the Susquehanna.
We will close this interview and the time is 4:35 17 pm.
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