ML19318A772
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| Issue date: | 06/01/1979 |
| From: | Donnachie J, Heilman V METROPOLITAN EDISON CO. |
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA L
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 1
In the Matter of:
2 IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW 3
of Mr. John P. Donnachie, Radiation Chemistry Technician Mr. Vincent C. Heilman, Radiation Chemistry Technician 4
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Trailer #203 9
NRC Investigation Site TMI Nuclear Power Plant 10 Middletown, Pennsylvania 11 June 1, 1979 12 (Date of Interview) 13 July 4,1979 (Date Transcript Typed) 14
- 284 15 (Tape Number (s))
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19 20 21 NRC PERSONNEL:
'22 Mr. Dale E. Donaldson Mr. Gregory P. Yuhas 23 Mr. Mark E. Resner 24 25 8006240\\30 T
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RESNER:
This is an interview of Mr. John P. Donnachie.
During the 2
interview we will refer to Mr. Donnachie as Pat, since he prefers to 3
be called Pat.
Also being interviewed is Mr. Vincent C. Heilman.
4 Both Mr. Heilman and Mr. Donnachie are Radiation Chemistry Technicians 5
employed by the Metropolitan Edison Company at the Three Mile Island 6
facility.
Present time is 3:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time and today's 7
date is June 1, 1979.
This interview is being conducted in Trailer g
203 which is located just outside of the South Gate to the Three Mile Island facility.
Individuals present for this interview representing g
the NRC, a Mr. Dale E. Donaldson.
Mr. Donaldson is a Radiation Specialist 10 yy employed at Region I, the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Also present, Mr. Gregory P. Yuhas.
Mr. Yuhas is a Radiation Specialist y
empi yed at Region I with the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
13 Speaking and moderating this interview is Ma'rk E. Resner.
I am an Investigator with the Office of Inspector and Auditor, Headquarters 15 the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
Prior to taping this interviewing, 16 Mr. Heilman was given a two page document which explained the purpose, the scope and the authority with which the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has to conduct this investigation.
This document also apprised Mr.
Heilman that he is entitled to a representative of his choice to be 20
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present during the interview and that he is in no way compelled to 21 i
talk to us if he does not want to.
On the second page of this document Mr. Heilman has answered three questions which I will state for the 23 record.
Question One:
Do you understand the above? Mr. Heilman has 24 checked yes, is that correct Mr. Heilman?
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HEILMAN:
Yes.
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RESNER:
Question Two:
Do we have your permission to tape this interview?
4 Mr. Heilman has checked yes.
Is that correct?
5 HEILMAN:
Yes.
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RESNER:
Question Three:
Do you want a copy of this tape?
Mr. Heilman 8
has checked yes.
Is that correct?
g 10 HEILMAN:
Yes.
12 RESNER:
Okay.
We'll provide ycu with a copy of the tape at the conclusion of the Sterview.
Mr. Donnachie was interviewed on a prior occasion and also was shown this two page advisement document and for the record I will confirm how he answered the three questions on the back.
Question One:
Do you understand the above? Mr. Donnachie has checked yes.
Is that correct Mr. Donnachie?
19 00NNACHIE:
Yes.
20 21 RESNER:
Question Two:
Do we have your permission to tape this interview?
22 Mr. Donnachie has checked yes.
Is that correct?
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00NNACHIE:
Yes.
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RESNER:
Question Three:
Do you want a copy of this tape? Mr. Donnachie 4
has checked yes.
Is that correct Mr. Donnachie?
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00NNACHIE:
Yes.
7 RESNER:
Allright.
We'll provide you with a copy of the tape at the 8
conclusion of this interview.
In addition to this two page advisement g
10 document both individuals were given a statement which explains Title 11 18 of the United States Code Section 1001 which pertains to fraud and false statements.
Each individual has read this statement and signed g
and dated this statement.
At this time I will ask Mr. Heilman if he 13 will give us a brief resume of his experience and his education in the g
nuclear field.
Mr. Heilman.
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16 HEILMAN:
I attended a Catholic High School from 1962 to 1966 graduating 18 to prep me for college and in 1968 I entered Millersville State College g
in Millersville.
Attended three years but I did not graduate.
I started with Metropolitan Edison in January of 73.
My first three months on the job I... were spent, one half day was spent in school, which Met Ed's training department taught, and the other half a day 23 was spent on-the-job training.
That's about the exteat of the training 24 until cause when I first... well do you want me to go on.
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RESNER:
That's good enough.
That's fine.
Thank you Mr. Heilman.
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YUHAS:
Okay.
The way we're gonna work this because there are four 4
People, prior to answering questions or addressing a question please 5
state your last name because this tape will be transcribed and it 6
makes it much easier for transcription.
The purpose of this interview 7
is to verify the entries or training that appear on each training 8
record that has been provided to the NRC by the licensee.
Prior to g
the interview I provided each of you a copy of this record as provided 10 You both have been given the opportunity to review the record to us.
and now I would like each of you to comment as to whether or not the training described on this record was in fact provided to you.
Mr.
Donnachie will you begin.
14 00NNACHIE:
Okay.
On my training trancript here the first time that I J
see is Unit 2 HP and Startup.
Unit 2 HP... I have 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> marked lo down here as far as the time that I was spent to be trainined.
It has no designation whether it's on-the-job or lecture, so I don't really know what you mean by that but just going back to 12/1/78 at the time I supposedly had 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> yet it was not classroom type.
We more or less had very limited training in Unit 2 HP as far as technical training.
21 The 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> which I may... out of looking at it now may refer to the 22 chemistry end of my job as far as 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> in chemistry that week that 23 we had spent during our routine analysis in support of Unit 2.
Going 24 down the list, Unit 2 Tech Spec which we spent 1 hour1.157407e-5 days <br />2.777778e-4 hours <br />1.653439e-6 weeks <br />3.805e-7 months <br /> on,... that may 25 h
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1 have been a one hour half hour to one hour briefing on a question and 2
answer type on the Unit 2 Tech Spec so that may be.
That looks to be 3
true although i more or less suspect that as the validity of it and 4
which Tech Specs were involved.
Going down to GET training which is a 5
yearly training that we go through.
This as far as I know is one of 6
three regulatory training modes we go through.
The other two being 7
emergency drill and I think the first aid is the third one on that for 8
a yearly regulatory training.
Commenting on the GET training, that includes security, QC, and safety as well as health physics.
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Health Physics Technican we normally don't go through the health 10 physics training because it's a basic training which is given to employees that have no feel for HP throughout the year.
So we rormally...
there's a test involved in the health physics section and we normally take the test and other than that I feel that regulatory training in this respect isn't what it should be as far as our group.
Going down to the next item, is Operation and Use of the Sam II. RCT 7 which I would presume is Rad Chem Tech and I don't really know what the 7 means.
That was a lecture for 2 hours2.314815e-5 days <br />5.555556e-4 hours <br />3.306878e-6 weeks <br />7.61e-7 months <br />.
We were scheduled to have 18 this training three or four times and each time the training was cancelled.
We brought this to the attention of our supervisor who was Tom Mulleavy and he had scheduled numerous retraining on this type of 21 instrumentation all which were cancelled at one time or another.
And 22 going down the list to the next item would be Pre-Treatment and LAWT 23 which stands for Los Angeles Water Treatment which is a Unit 2 system, 24 a lecture for 8 hours9.259259e-5 days <br />0.00222 hours <br />1.322751e-5 weeks <br />3.044e-6 months <br />, which was given 7/1/77, which to my knowledge I 25
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have never sat through 8 straight hours of this type of treatment, of 2
this type of training.
Pre-Treatment being the system was really 3
never put into operation as well as LAWT was operating for a short 4
period of time.
It was a matter of going over there and supportting 5
operations and we had to my knowledge haven't sat down for 8 full 6
hours for either one of these systems as far as the lecture training 7
involved.
And these are about the items I have a question.
8 YUHAS:
Mr. Donnachie did you take the GET HPN Test?
9 10 00NNACHIE:
Yes.
11 12 YUHAS:
Fine.
Mr. Heilman would you review your training record 13 please.
g 15 HEILMAN:
Really the only one item I have a question is one that 6
affected me.
But that I mean I'm referring to the operation and use g
of SAM II same one Pat Donnachie referred too.
I frankly don't remember gettin any lecture and this did come back on my on an emergency drill when I was called upon to operate the instrument and really couldn't operate it properly.
Although there was a procedure with the emergency kit, but it was dark, it was a drill I couldn't really make much out of the procedure because it was to dark all we had was a flashlight.
And I also, I guess could question the first item which is Unit 2 HP and Startup.
It seems to me what they tried to do here is lump our 25
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1 working in getting Unit 2 to started up into training and there really 2
wasn't any training at all.
It was just normal work duties and looks 3
like they tried to insert it as training.
So with the exception of 4
those two items I would pretty well much agree with what's on the sheet.
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YUHAS:
7 At this time I'd like to present to you gentlemen the, another 8
additional document which has been provided to me by the Training Department and it is entitled Training Program - Administrative Form g
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a artup TMI and this form lists several individuals 10 including Mr. Heilman and Mr. Donnachie indicating that 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> of on-the-job training was provided at the completion of 12/1/78.
The form is signed by Mr. Velez dated 12/1/78 and under Item 7, Instructor Comments, Mr. Velez makes this comment: 'During the past six months the techs have been getting good instructions in both HP and Chem aspects of the Unit 2 Startup.
At this time I'd like to pass this first to Mr. Donnachie for his comment.
My questions are:
Did you sign the form to and what is your comment relative to Item 7 on back of the form?
19 20 00NNACHIE:
No I did not sign the form.
And Mr. Velez should brief 21 you on who actually gave the instructions being he's a Unit 1 Health 22 Physics Foreman.
Fred Huwe who is not here at the time, was in fact 23 Unit 2 Health Physics Foreman and I don't know how much information 24 Velez had gotten off of him to put these comments down or whether it 25
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1 was the training..
was just based on Unit 1 or Unit 2 Chemistry 2
Startup or Unit 2 HP which it seems like it's a general synopsis of 3
the two together.
4 HEILMAN:
I also didn't sign this thing either.
My name is just 5
printed on here.
And I don't know what Pete's talking about but if he 6
7 means on-the-job training as you go along you ask questions and you 8
get an answer sometimes, I guess he could consider that good instruction but as far as any formal instruction I really don't know what he's g
"9 10 11 YUHAS:
Then since it is on-the-job training it appears that it is for the purposes of the entry there, not clear as to the method of training but in fact you may have both worked in Unit 2 for 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> total prior to 12/1/78, is that correct?
16 00NNACHIE:
That's correct.
There's a similiarity between Unit 1 and Unit 2 as far as health physics and that's a pretty basic subject 18(
anywhere and it seems that the science of health physics was continuing 19 into Unit 2 only it was documented as training if that is in fact what 20 he means by the training program form here.
Just commenting on a 21 specific item being the Unit 2 RMS System, we have wanted training, 22 in-depth training on that for weeks and we were trying to get a training 23 manual made up for it and I myself went to Tom Mulleavy a number of 24 times and asked if he could formulate a training manual with the RMS 25
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System put in it.
The end result was after months of waiting and 2
reminding.
We finally got a training, some type of manual made up for 3
Unit 1 and Unit 2 RMS Systems put together as one but we had never 4
went and set down and discussed it.
He brought back 6 or 7 copies 5
back, handed them to me since I was the one involved trying to (,et it 6
f rmulated and he had also wanted to have one formulated it also at this time.
Time being a factor and him being involved in other evolutions 7
8 didn't get time to get it at the time I wanted it.
But knowing my g
knowledge in our department, actually set down in a lecture or a training room atmosphere on the RMS System in the Unit 2.
Fred Huwe, 10 g
who is Unit 2 Foreman, briefed I would say just about everybody in the department concerning different area atmosphere monitors and their peration.
Being that you had to change particulate, charcoal filters 13 each every for Unit vent and things like that.
But as far as the area gamma monitors we were never taken around at least I myself was never taken around Unit 2 and.nuwn where all these area monitors were and the only reason that I know where the ones are that I know is by looking at that manual and physically walking in the building to see where they're at.
And this is the type of training tnat we technical training that we should of received at Unit 2 and I think they're confusing the technical training with on-the-job training but surely we were there on-the-job if they were to consider that training but 22 technical training over there was almost null.
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YUHAS:
Let's move on to the next one.
Mr. Donnachie, the LA Water 2
Treatment System 8 hours9.259259e-5 days <br />0.00222 hours <br />1.322751e-5 weeks <br />3.044e-6 months <br /> dated 7/1/77, can you in sincereity say that 3
you did not receive that or has it been so long that you can't remember 4
receiving it?
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DONNACHIE:
I i:an't in all sincereity say I've never received it.
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may have recei/ed it but it just seems that 8 hour9.259259e-5 days <br />0.00222 hours <br />1.322751e-5 weeks <br />3.044e-6 months <br /> _ of a lecture g
there, I can't remember ever sitting down for 8 hour9.259259e-5 days <br />0.00222 hours <br />1.322751e-5 weeks <br />3.044e-6 months <br /> period on any one g
particular subject, much less than that, since that is a minor system.
10 The only thing I probably received the training the only thing that I 11 w uld question there would be the 8 hour9.259259e-5 days <br />0.00222 hours <br />1.322751e-5 weeks <br />3.044e-6 months <br /> lecture that they have down n that.
12 13 YUHAS:
Mr. Heilman or Mr. Donnachie, can you confidently say that you g
did not receive the SAM II training that is noted on your record as 5
being provided in a two hour lecture on 9/14/77?
16 17 18 19 HEILMAN:
Yes I also can.
20 21 YUHAS:
At this time I'd like to present to you gentlemen for inspaction a record titled " Training Program - Administrative Form" and the title for tne course Item 1 was " Operational Use of SAM II", the dates of 24 the course were provided was 9/12, 9/13 and 9/14, the location was 25 I
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TMI, the course duration was 2 hours2.314815e-5 days <br />5.555556e-4 hours <br />3.306878e-6 weeks <br />7.61e-7 months <br />, the instructor is indicated as 2
T. Mulleavy and Sid Porter.
Item 6, personnel attending included in 3
this list are, V. Heilman and P. Donnachie, signature of the instructor
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4 is Tom Mulleavy dated 9/16/77, signature of the supervisor of training 5
is Richard Zeckman dated 1/7/77.
On the reverse side of the form the 6
instructors evaluation and I quote "all individuals were~ responsive to 7
the material as it was presented, they were allowed to use the equipment g
and each demonstrated his ability to use the equipment." The instructors signature is Thomas L. Mulleavy dated 9/16/77.
Again I ask Mr. Donnachie g
to review this form to indicate whether or not he signed and the 10 comments on the back.
g 12 00NNACHIE:
No I haven't signed this document.
Nor do I have any knowledge of every sitting down for 2 hours2.314815e-5 days <br />5.555556e-4 hours <br />3.306878e-6 weeks <br />7.61e-7 months <br /> with Tom Mulleavy as an instructor as well as Sid Porter being the second instructor.
Concerning the back as far as individuals being responsive to the material as it was presented and using the equipment and each document his ability to use the equipment.
We weren't responsive to the material because it was never given to us. We weren't allowed to use the equipment unless we were in batches and took it upon ourselves to go over the equipment.
20 Before the emergency drill we even asked Mr. Mulleavy about our training 21 and being that it was almost 8, 9 months ago I can't remember what his l
22 response was but he said you will get the training and it was even 23 after the emergency drill for the training but as I said previously it was neve, brought to us.
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HEILMAN:
I also did not sign the form but I must say in all honesty I 2
do remember Sid Porter being onsite with the SAM II, he had it back in 3
the Lab very very briefly one afternoon and it war close to the end of 4
the shift and there was a lot of confusion.
If they want to call it a 5
2 hour2.314815e-5 days <br />5.555556e-4 hours <br />3.306878e-6 weeks <br />7.61e-7 months <br /> training I guess they can.
But with, regarding the comment on 6
the back Section 7 I believe there was no hands on training and I'm 7
sure I don't remember being responsive be'cause it was just very vague 8
so in that respect I don't think it was any training.
9 DONALDSON:
With regarding SAM II training in general, since 1977 when 10 this document indicates that something was provided, have you been in a classroom situation before you had the chance to operate or be instructed on the operation of the equipment?
14 HEILMAN:
No I haven't.
15 16 DONNACHIE:
No I haven't either.
17 18 YUHAS:
Your training record indicates that you received rad monitor 19 team training under Procedure 1670.9 on 9/28/78.
The review of documentation 20 indicates that that training would of included use of equipment in the 21 emergency kits, SAM II being an integral part of the emergency kit.
I 22 have before me for your inspection a trainir.g program administrative 23 form or the lesson title is " Rad Monitor Team Training" location TMI 24 and both Mr. Donnachie and Mr. Heilman, your names appear on this 25
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form.
It indicates that you received a 2 hour2.314815e-5 days <br />5.555556e-4 hours <br />3.306878e-6 weeks <br />7.61e-7 months <br /> lecture.
Could you 2
comment on that Mr. Donnachie?
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00NNACHIE:
This is.my handwriting and when was this given?
5 YUHAS:
September 28.
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DONNACHIE:
9/28/78.
Okay this is a b.fefing.
We're briefed on 8
emergency drills every year and this is wqat we it more or less is.
g The lesson course if I can remember correctly and we'll have to then 10 substantiate this is when we were down in the training trailer that morning going over X/Q values, okay excuse me...
13 DONALDSON:
I think what your confusing that with another emerger.cy training course that you have.
16 YUHAS:
While Mr. Donaldson is arranging some forms both training records indicate 2 courses within a day of each other, one was Rad Monitor Team Training and the second was Accident Assessment Team Training.
I believe the Accid... assessment Team Training was provided by Mr. Landry where as the Rad Monitor Team Training was provided by 21 Mr. Dubiel.
In the Accident Assessment Team Training the class included 22 Mr. Brian Deiter, yourselves, McCann, Greg Hitz, etc.
Now this is the 23 one out in the trailer with the isopleths offsite dose calculation.
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00NNACHIE:
That was a good training.
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YUHAS:
The following day the Rad Monitor Team Training was provided 4
by Mr. Mulleavy.
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DONALDSON:
I wan to show you a this is a lesson plan.
The first page
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7 is an extract out of the Emergency Plan Training Program and the 8
f 11 wing pages are handwritten and represent what I assume to be the g
lesson plan that should of been presented to meet the text of the 10 procedure.
You can glance at that real quick and see if the training 11 on this date in any way resembled what's documented in that procedure.
12 RESNER:
Mr. Donnachie and Mr. Heilman are reviewing the document.
13 14 DONALDSON:
Does that look like any kind of formal training which you 15 would of you had in 1978?
17 DONNACHIE:
No.
We, do you remember ever seeing this?
8 19 HEILMAN:
No, it all looks familiar because they we're certainly are all aware of all these things just through doing your job every day but as far as them sitting down no.
23 RESNER:
The last statement was Heilman.
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YUHAS:
I'd like to in reference to the Rad Monitor Team Training 2
presented on 9/28, I'd like to demonstrate or show you the inspectors 3.
evaluation signed by Tom Mulleavy dated 9/28/78.
Item 7 indicates 4
that the individuals asked many questions and after the session I feel 5
that they are now able to conduct themselves in an emergency in an 6
acceptable manner.
Do you remember this session with Mr. Mulleavy?
7 This session consisting of both of you and Mr. Dimeler and Mr. Pyke.
8 00NNACHIE_:
Although I don't remember the session it certainly seems g
that I have my signature on the training sheet.
As far as Rad Monitor 10 Team Training by the course criteria that they are supposed to be 3
giving us I' Je had this training myself 2, 3 years ago as far as the g
ntext of this particular training manual.
But discussing going back 13 to that particular day of 9/28/78 which isn't to long ag:, I don't remember that particular lecture of Tom Mulleavy and Tom Mulleavy knows that we have asked him since that date on training from for the specifically SAM IIs.
I and members of my shift, and I can only state infactically now to this point that we have not received that.
19 00NALDSON:
How can you, can you postulate on how your signature got on that piece of paper?
21 22 DONNACHIE:
Just judging back, just remembering back of Rad Monitor 23 Team Training, it could of been a practice drill on going out and on 24 the Monitoring Teams but we did not use the SAM II.3, we may have even 25
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taken a SAM II out of the pack.
Well to my knowledge I did not even 2
use a SAM II because I didn't know how to use it.
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DONALDSON:
Do you recall being on a training exercise in that period of time?
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00NNACHIE:
Yes, we were on a training exercise for the emergency 7
drill but these exercises are going out onto the field and actually 8
performing a practice drill for the real exercise.
It doesn't include g
2 hours2.314815e-5 days <br />5.555556e-4 hours <br />3.306878e-6 weeks <br />7.61e-7 months <br /> of lecture training in the Lab on the use of the equipment.
10 11 DONALDSON:
I guess what I'm trying to fit in is this word drill keeps coming up, that appears where this training came from.
Is, in looking through the documentation of drills, now I think you had 6 practice drills last year and then you got ready for the big one which NRC observed and that was in November.
So you had 6 leading up to the big one and then you had another big one to make 7, I didn't find anywhere where there was a training exercise or a drill conducted in that month at all.
Now was this a very narrow scope drill or was it involving just people who would be on the Monitoring Team?
20 21 DONNACHIE:
I'm just assuming.
I can't remember what exactly this 22 was.
I can only assume that it may have been a Monitoring Team Drill 23 although if the NRC drill was in November it probably wasn't a radiation 24 drill then in September.
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DONALDSON:
Okay.
So to the best of your recollection....
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DONNACHIE:
The best of my recollection I can not say whether that was 4
a drill or a, it certainly 'vasn't a 2 hour2.314815e-5 days <br />5.555556e-4 hours <br />3.306878e-6 weeks <br />7.61e-7 months <br /> lecture on the SAM II.
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DONALDSON:
Okay fine.
Let me ask both of you gentlemen'again just 7
for the record being clear that your signatures, those are your signatures 8
made by your own hand on the copies?
9 00NNACHIE:
Yes.
10 11 HEILMAN:
Yes.
I'd like to add something.
If in fact we did receive 12 this training, it must of been so shallow and vague that we don't 13 remember it.
So what really good did it do?
g 15 DONALDSON:
Why I go back to my questioning you had a chance to look 6
over the lesson plan, if it did not cover the scope as outlined in the training procedure 1670.9 and in the accompanying lesson outline then... is that what your saying?
g 20 HEILMAN:
Yes.
It would appear to me.
22 DONALDSON:
Okay.
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YUHAS:
Let's proceed on.
The drill was held November 8 I believe 19 The tape cuts off.
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4 00NNACHIE:
Judging from that, that was R per hour.
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DONALDSON:
Okay.
35 R per hour.
Now what would you have done with 7
that, would you have looked at 35 R per hour here or would you have 8
multipled that by 100?
9 00NNACHIE:
That is what I had calculated it out to be 35,000 R per 10 hour1.157407e-4 days <br />0.00278 hours <br />1.653439e-5 weeks <br />3.805e-6 months <br />.
11 The meter itself must have read 3500, let me think back a m ment.
The meter was 3/4 scale on the readout.
12 13 DONALDSON:
What range was that?
g 15 00NNACHIE:
That must that would of had to been up around... that 6
should have been mR per hour because that was up around 10 to the 4th or 5th counts.
g 19 LONALDSON:
What was the scale set at on the meter, was it at 10 to the 5th, 10 to the 6th, 10 to the 7th?
22 00NNACHIE:
I don't believe it...
I can't say definitiely what it went up to.
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DONALDSON:
You know there's a little switch on the side full scale 2
can be, you know, any number of decades from 10 up to 10 to the 7th mR 3
per hour.
Is that your understanding of that meter or does this go 4
back to your being trained in that...
S 00NNACHIE:
This goes back to failure to be trained.
The only reason 6
I went out there was I was interested to see what the dome monitor was 7
reading.
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DONALDSON:
Would you be able to implement that procedure with what 10 you know about HPR-214?
12 DONNACHIE:
Certainly not.
14 DONALDSON:
Thank you.
16 YUHAS:
Just a couple of very brief questions for Mr. Donnachie.
The first couple of days of the event, did you enter the Auxiliary Building?
19 HEILMAN:
You said Donnachie.
20 21 YUHAS:
Excuse me I'm sorry.
Mr. Heilman in the first couple of days 22 did you enter the Auxiliary Building?
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HEILMAN:
Yes I did.
In fact you were,...the first time I ever met 2
you or saw you.
We went down to draw a sample HPR-227 which is the 3
Reactor Building air monitor and we tried to get the sample.
They 4
wanted the hydrogen oxygen content of that sample.
So I did enter on 5
that occasion.
I think that's the only time, that was the second day 6
after the accident I believe.
7 YUHAS:
Yes that would of been the third day.
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HEILMAN:
Third day okay.
10 11 YUHAS:
12 That would of been Friday night and that would of been your first entry into the Auxiliary Building?
13 14 HEILMAN:
Into the Unit 2 Auxiliary Building.
Yes.
16 YUHAS:
Okay.
Where did you spend most of your time during the first three days of the event?
19 HEILMAN:
Most of the time was spent in the Site Protection Building or the Processing Center, HP Monitor, issuing masks, frisking people that type thing.
We did make one entry into the Unit 1 control point to retrieve some instruments I believe and just to make a general survey of the area.
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YUHAS:
Do you remember when the charcoal cartridges first began 2
-arriving?
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HEILMAN:
Some of the charcoal cartridges were there when I got there 5
which was the afternoon of the 29th.
They were in that same cartridge, 6
they were already there.
7 YUHAS:
Okay.
During the first three days, did you get involved in 8
g reading any personnel dosimeters, TLDs over at the Observation Center?
10 HEILMAN:
No I didn't.
To the best of my knowledge a person who did 11 m st of that was one of our technicians, Ed Egenrider and he in fact 12 he did probably the entire entirety because he was here for 48 hours5.555556e-4 days <br />0.0133 hours <br />7.936508e-5 weeks <br />1.8264e-5 months <br /> 13 and I was on the island most of the entire time.
I didn't get into any of that.
5 16 YUHAS:
I don't have any further questions at this time.
I want to thank both of you for coming here and I guess the conclusion of this interview is that both of you are firm in that you did not receive the SAM II training as described on your training records and that for you Mr. Heilman, you were not trained until Mr. Porter trained you after the incident and as far as I understand you have yet to be trained Mr.
Donnachie, is that correct?
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DONNACHIE:
This is true.
Let me make a comment.
When I refer to 2
training in my own knowledge is what I understand some of it.
They 3
could have you know said this is a SAM II'and this is what it looks 4
like but that doesn't mean anything to me until I find out how to 5
operate it, so if they want to call that training they have it documented 6
and they say they gave it to us but maybe they just covered their 7
butts but it doesn't really mean anything because I didn't understand 8
it.
Now I do and it only took a few 10-15 minutes to show it.
9 DONALDSON:
Just a final comment.
We'd ask that you not discuss the 10 11 text of our discussions with you until we've had a chance to talk to 12 some other people involved, we don't want to color their testimony with anything you may discuss.
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Okay.
18' RESNER:
The last response was Mr. Heilman's and this concludes the g
interview of Mr. Heilman and Mr. Donnachie and the time now is 4:31.
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