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| Issue date: | 03/30/1979 |
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io TMI STAFF IhTERVIEW Dale Lauder =ilch 0315 Hrs.
March 30, 1979 Conducted By:
R. Long and D. Reppert LONG:
This is Bob Long.
Don Reppert and I are interviewing Dale Laudermilch.
It's 0315 hours0.00365 days <br />0.0875 hours <br />5.208333e-4 weeks <br />1.198575e-4 months <br /> on the 30th of March, 1979.
Dale, could you just tell us your name again so the secretary will know your voice, and your position?
LAUDERMILCH: Dale Laudermilch and I'm an aux. operator "B".
LONG:
And, you were on shift the morning of the trip?
LAUDERMILCH: Yeah.
LONG:
Ok.
Can you tell us what you were doing, like an hour before the trip occurred, and give us your recollections of the events during the trip and following the trip?
LAUDERNILCH: For one hour prior, I believe I was involved wit'a the hydrogen supply.
I was lining up hydrogen for the main generator on Unit 2 We had some problems with lines and so forth and a small leak out there.
So I had just gotten finished with putting hydrogen in the generator
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and I was just...
LONG:
This is the electrical generator then, right?
g LAUDERMILCH: Yeah.
I was just walking in the door and I heard the safeties go so I made it over to Unit 2 control room as fast as I could.
From there I went into the control room and just waited to be dispatched on jobs.
I did a number of things and I'm not real sure of the order I did them.
But the first thing I did was - Don Miller had called or come back up to the control room.
I think he had called the control room and ' stated he had a leak on the section of the A booster pump.
So Terry Daugherty and myself ran down to the A boostce pu=p and when we got there, there was a leak, I'd say maybe two feet downstream of the section valve of the A booster pump, So we started to help out, but they started calling me on the page; so Terry went and answered the page and he was dispatched on a job from there.
I can't remember what he was doing, but Don and myself saw an engineer that had been standing by, and we asked him for his help.
So the three of us got the valve shut. And, I think I reported back up to the control room.
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LONG:
Was that within a few minutes of this event? Do you have a feel for the time?
LAUDERMILCH: A few minutes - I'm going to say that's within 45 minutes of me hearing the safeties
'Cause when I went back to the control room initial.ly after hearing the safettes I took the outside route and I went out around; cause you know I had out buildings and I just =ade a quick tour outside and came back in the vest side of the turbine b1dg. and came through.
I noticed the gland exhausters.were blowing steam.'
REPPERT:
I was just going to ask you, when you were coming back did you notice anything unusual?
LAUDERMILCH: The only thing was that the gland exhausters were blowing steam.
I looked at it on the way by and =ade a judg=ent that that was not a very critical thing to be worrying about right now; and I should get to the control room as soon as I could, so I went up to the control room and then I was dispatched down on the booster pu=p job with Don.
When I went back up, the next job I remember is Craig said he was having trouble with hotwell level; so he sent me down to throttle a little bit on COV6C 'our turns-because they had it throttled. That's a downstream
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isolation of the main reject valve.
REPPERT:
Ok.
LAUDERMILCH:
So I went down and throttled open on the condensate reject valve and vacched the hotwell level.
Hotwell level was high and was completely out of the sight glass.
I ca=c back to the page and tc1d them - well -
I went back upstairs as a matter of fact and told them that.
They sent me back down to keep an eye on it and Ed told me go dcun end open it more or till we get level.
This was really confusing at this point because Terry was down there, Don was down there and Bill Zeve had come down.
They vere trying to work on the polisher bypass valve and the polisher bypass valve _was, missing the -
handwheel - the manual handwheel - ok? When I was sent b'ack down to 'try tsi maintain' hot" low level, I remember Ed saying, "Open it up all the way and maintain when I get hotwell level down; close her back down and try to maintain her manually".
Well, I did and in the course of that, I noticed Juanita and Harold Fctst were over at the B feedpu=p jacking it by hand.
So when I came back in, Donnie, Bill Zeve and Terry Daugherty were up on top of the ventilation deck by COV 12 trying to get it open.
Apparently they had found the handwheel or so=ething up there and got it on and they were trying to open it.
Bill was called back to the page.
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and I was down at the page and Craig or Bill was on.
Bill Zeve was still up at COV 12 helping out.
The guys yelled down at me to have him knock off the condensate So I was calling to have them knock off the pump.
condensate pump.
But that never came about; they never knocked it off.
And in that interim, Zeve had come down and he was talking to Craig, 'cause Craig had a question for him about opening up the turbine bypass valve.
LONG:
Ok, LAUDERFELCH: So they were having trouble getting COV 12 open.
They cranked it and I was their ce==unication on the ground
'cause I wanted to hang by the phone anyhow. Ed said stay by the phone 'cause if I need that reject line shut, I want you to shut it.
LONO:
Can you back up just a little bit?
LAUDERMILCH: Well, we were back on COV 12; they were having trouble getting it open.
I was their co=munication on the ground and I called twice and told them to try COV 12 up in the control room.
It wouldn't open and I told Terry and Donnie to keep cranking.
I was going to go up and trip and reset the thermals on the breaker for COV 12 to see if that would help us get it open. And I told Terry that if he hears a call for me about hotwell level, he vould
.8 have to come down and take over there.
So, I went up and reset the breaker and I think, by the time I got back down, they had gotten COV 12 open.
I don't know whether it was my resetting the breaker or whether they had just gotcen it off the seat far enough at that time to get it open.
I remember Donnie said that the polishers had gone to pot - that the pneumatic valves had shut -
that is the outlet valves on the polishers had...
I think it was on the "A" vessel or nu=ber 8 vessel the one furtherest west. We had a leak there. Anyhow, we ga:COV 12 open and I was coming back down. Terry said.
that they're having a problem with cire water fiumes supposedly overflowing.
He said, "Do you want to take care of that?", and he would watch the hotwell level.
I said, "Ok".
I had a radio with me.
I ran upstairs and I ran over to the coagulator building 'cause that was the shortest distance to the cire water hours; and I called the guards and told them to meet me at the gate over there.
I got out there before they did and I waited for them.
They came and' I had them stand by while I went over and checked the fiume level. The fiume level was maybe two inches from overflowing.
It hadn't yet overflowed.
I called Ed on the page and told him about it and he said,." Hang on".
Then he got back to me and he said, "Ok, let's secure =akeup".
So I secured =akeup to the fiume and...
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REPPERT:
And who was that ysu waro talking to?
c' LAUDERMILCH: That was Ed Fredericks.
I secured makeup.
After I secured it I yelled over the page that the makeup was secured in the fiume.
On the way out the door, I heard Ed acknowledge that he got the mess-age.
I ran back over and the guards let me back in.
I'm thinking I went directly downstairs to see if there was anything else I could do.
I went down and I was with Harold Farst and Juanita Gingrich down at the feedpump and I was keeping my eye on hot well level.
The one thing that still sticks in my mind which I don't understand is that the hot well level all the time that I watched it, was high.
It was out of the sight glass and it was crystal clear.
Sometime in that interim when I ca=e back I had looked at the water in the sight glass and it was cloudy, very cloudy, almost a rust or a muddy color.
I thought it could mean a couple of things; either they drew water out of the storage tank that was sitting in there for a long time or I speculated about the possibility of a circ water tube rupturing in the main condensor. That was my concern...I told Terry about it.
He didn't say much.
Bill Zewe had ce=e down later and I told him, " Bill, the water's muddy "
He acknowledged it, but he didn't say much about it.
I'm trying to think exactly when that was.
It might have even been before I secured the makeup to the cire water, because Bill was still down there on the phone.
I can't remember if Bill came down a second time of if it was when I came back in from cire water.
But I remem-ber telling Bill when he was downstairs.
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LONG:
This is like an hour, maybe two hours, after the trip?
LAUDERMILCH: We're talking about -- I'm going to say -- an hour and a half or so.
Those sequences of events, they really went fast.
LONG:
I'm sure they did.
LAUDERMILCH: And I can remembe.- being downstairs when those guys were up on that COV job.
I caa re= ember some horrendous water hammer down there.
I don't know where it was coming from -- I'm guessing the condensate system -- but I don't know.
LONG:
Did you hear it or see it?
LAUDERMILCH: I heard it.
LONG:
Heard it?
LAUDERMILCH: Yeah.
LONG:
You didn't see any pipes move?
LAUDERMILCH:
No, Jbut I remember Donnie saying that he was down at the polisher and coming around the polisher panel when the whole thing happened, I think, or shortly thereafter.
He said the water ha=mer down there at that time was really horrendous, that the~ suction to the booster pe=p line had moved a good two, =aybe even three feet hori-
- ontally from the han=er.
I'm sure that's what broke or caused the leak after the suction valve in tpe booster pump.
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done there, we were all downstairs...wa better bsck up hare a minute 'cause there were ti=es I ran up to the control room and f.
back instead of calling on the phone for co==unicati on and stuff.
In that time period that I was upstairs, Terry Daugherty had been sent to the primary side; I can't remember what he was checking over there; I can't remember.
LONG:
Sent to the Aux. Bldg?
LAUDERMILCH: Yeah.
To the aux b1dg.
He was over there taking care of something in the aux. b1dg.
I was in the control room and I was waiting to be dispatched down on another job. This was one of the othe*r jobs that I talked about earlier, and I re= ember...I think it was Ed Frederick said, "Look at this alarm over here."
It was a fire alarm in the reactor b1dg, OK? And there was another fire alarm lit and that was the control b1dg. area. That alarm co=es in every ti=e we trip.
Every time the safeties blew, it's hot downstairs.
But I remember seeing the reactor b1dg. alarm and they showed rea3. concern about...they didn't understand that.
I re=e=ber Bill looking at the reactor b1dg. fire alarm.
Bill went over and looked at the pressure indicator for the reactor b1dg. and he said, " Pressure's Sone up in the reactor building.".
Then shor'.ly thereafter, Terry Daugherty, who va= in the aux b1dg.,
had called Ed Frederick on the phone. When Ed.got off the phone he said,"The reactor. bids. sump level was _ pegged. high and both'
' sump pumps were running." I;made a statement.to Ed then.. I.said,
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miscellaneous tank all week. : And I said, "You know, if you got that much water, you're going to be' pumping." I said, "I don't know where exactly that tank overflows to, but I know its vented.=,
to f the vent header." ' I said, "If you don't knock.off those pumps,.
'there's a possibility that we could be putting water into that.
vent header."
'Cause' I'had just worked primary ~ side ~ a" couple"o'f nights be fore ~ that, I remember the high levels in the tank and
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stuff.
So he said, " Yeah, you're right," and he told Bill about it.
This was all in a matter of seconds and Bill said, " Knock the sump pu=ps off."
He called Terry right back and Terry knocked the reactor b1dg. sump pu=ps right off.
LONG:
OK.
LAUDERMILCH:
So anyhow, after :I was back down in the turbine b1dg. basement, we were all around there and Terry had been trying to maintain hotwell,
level...I_ vent over to Terry and Terry was looking at the~eutomatic 1 reject.. valve.and it was shut all the time -- not taking it all the time from the water hammering, 'cause the airline to it was severed.
I remember saying, "Did you isolate the air to it?" He said, "Well, no, the airline's severed."._I.hadn't seen it,.so.they_ called....
instru=ent, guys down and[I'saw the instrument guys start,to tear;it/
'down 'andl try.to get itiopen. Well, I i=agine they did get it open, b6t all that time we-weren't apparently doing a heck of a lot of good throttling the downstream isolation.
At the'ti=e I assu=ed that with the hotwell level situation that that reject valve is going to be opened and I just never checked it out.
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Apparently they got to work on that, 'so Donnie Miller and myself
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Donnie Miller was there also.
He had come over and we heard i
c a fire alarm. We called Ed and we said, "Where is it?" He said, " Aux. Building 228."
So all three of us took off and we went upstairs and checked all the filters to the fan unics. We checked the whole floor out.
We checked the back in around the tendon access gallery between the reactor building and the aux.
b1dg.
That was pretty warm back in there and you could smell like steam from the reliefs, so we figured that's probably the problem.
I'd say there was a good 20 degrees difference between the aux. b1dg. side, and the other door, when you actually got into that area.
Then we came back downstairs and I was with Terry then.
Donnie had checked the other part of the floor and l
I guess he had left and we went downstairs...
LaVG:
This was still before the site emergency was declared?
. LAUDERMILCH: Oh, yeah.
LONG:
A long time, a short time? We're just trying to fix PAe time when the fire alarm tripped.
LAUDERMILCH:
I'm going to say about a half an hour before the site emergency i
was declared -- at least a half an hour, maybe more.
I remem-ber when I was upstairs before I got called for that lineup, J tried to follow that intermediate close and stuff and when I l()
checked that intermediate close temperature there, I went back i
to the one RPS cabinet that we check on our readings.
There's a gauge there for reactor b1dg. pressure and I checked that and I remember about 2 and a half pounds oh that.
So I knew there definitely was a problem in the reactor building; 'cause I don't think I've ever really even seen it up close to a pound -- maybe i
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So I knew there had to be some problem there.
LONG:
Did you comment on that or convey that to the control room?
LAUDERMILCH:
No.
'Cause I knew they had indication up in the control room and they had looked at it.
I did want to stay off the page as much' as I could.
LONG:
I forgot to ask you a question earlier; let ne ask you one thing, have you been on shift when there had been turbine-reactor trips be fore?
LAUDEREELCH: Yeah.
LONG:
OK.. Good.
You knew the normal routine.
LAUDERMILCH: Yeah, I knew the things you worry about.
I was here when we had a trip from 75 or 80% power when we were doing our power trips, i
LONG:
Good.
LAUDERMILCH:
I'm trying to think of the other oney I was here for, but I've l
U been here for a couple.
I know shaking and a lot of noise goes ou and that kind of thing, and I know, especially when I came in from the outside, the thing I was concerned about is -- one of the first things they want to do when they trip is to estab-lish feedwater heating.
I figured somebody would be on that, so I came through by the 213 stage heaters. There wasn't anybody there and, I don't know, for some reason things just didn't sousd right to me.
I don't know if it was a lot of noise or what it was.
There wasn't anybody there.
I figured I'm not going to go up there and just take it on my own to cut it in.
I knew that was one of the things they were going to ask us to do if it was a normal sequence of events. Then I went from there right up to the control room.
I'm trying to think of some of the other things I looked at.
When I was down at the radwaste panel, I remember looking at the vent header pressure and that was 2 to 3 pounds; there wasn't anything out of the ordinary there.
I re=e=ber the miscellaneous waste holdup tank hadn't been flooded.
I remember looking at the level because Terry had knocked those pumps off earlier. With everything goin' on I wanted to look at R3 b1dg.
pressure.
I remember they had problems with the RC drain tank, because when I was in the control room earlier I re= ember them saying, " Hey, we don't have any level in the RC drain tank."
You know we lost all our water.
So when I was in the control room, as soon as we started seeing building pressure going up and stuff, I knew things weren't normal.
I knew we had a problem somewhere -- they were talking about...They said, "It can't be a primary leak because we' re not having...I remember, I think
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it was Bill, I'm not sure, but somebody said, "We don't have a LOCA 'cause we have our water inventory," or something to that e ffect.
But the building pressure was going up so I knew there was something wrong.
When I got to the radwaste panel I f'igured I'm going to try and think about things that can affect the outside.
One of the first things I thought about was the waste gas system.
So I went and looked at that.
I don't reme=ber what was in the tanks, but I was concerned about the vent header, and the vent header looked good.
So...
LONG:
Who was giving you most of your directions? Was it more than one person in the control room? You mentioned Ed Fredericks a ~
number of tives.
Did you get it principally from Ed or...?
LAUDERMILCH: Well, primary side was mostly Ed; initial hot low level instruc-tions were from Craig Faust, and then Bill Zewe had come down in the basement when we were trying to get the bypass valve open so he was there helping us out there on the direction...
LONG:
Where were you when the site emergency was declared?
l LAUDERMILCH: I can't remember, but I can reme=ber -- this is an i=portant..?
LONG:
Just try to get the sequence...
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LAUDENMILCH: I reme=ber being in the auxiliary b1dg with Terry. This was after we lined up the boron injection path and all that.
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vent back down to the radwaste panel and Ed called Terry and said that they were.having a problem that they were getting demin water injection into the pri=ary system. Try to think j
of anything we could think of where we might be getting s team j
and water from.
So Terry and I sat there and thought about it.
We had the printout and we were looking at it.
Adam Miller had called and asked about checkf.ng the demin water to the makeup i
pe=p and another demin water valve.
I can't remember what the j
valve was, but it was three valves to the =akeup pu=p and one other valve -- I can't re=e=ber what that valve was at this time.
So we were getting ready to check that, and in the meantime, Terry was working on the print.
I had outbuildings tour earlier in the evening and I had secured demin water to the sodium thio-sulfate tank.
I knew that was initially a tank installed for primary purposes, but I didn't know what the piping layout was now.
I knew we had demin water in there, so I called Ed back and I said, "Ed, I don't know how it ties in or anything," I said, "but could that sodium thoisulfate be har=ing it?" And he said, "No, there's no piping hook up in the pri=ary system."
We had used that to store caustic in for the polishers.
I think we had a bad batch of caustic or so=ething that we used that was in the sodium hydroxide tank, and we had transferred it over to that tank. We used it for Neutralizing secondary side neut, tank.
So, anyhow, we were there figuring it out and, then Adam had told C_j s
us about these other valves to check. We were getting ready to go and we walked over to the hole in the floor there, in the first floor of the Auxiliary b1dg., where you can look down in.,
the. basement. Terry. said, '" Hey,' ve're getting water out of the ~ -
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floor drains."' We immediately came.back_and told them, "The aux..
b1dg.. sump is overflowing; we don't know where ve're getting the
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vater.from."1 Terry got off the phone and started trying to mark the se=p level. We concentrated our efforts then on where all this water.vas coming from, because;we knew there was'a'radiati6n
! problem. 'The EP techs had been around'and'they told us it was, "5R in' the 305' Makeup valve alley;lit was 10R inside the door-where you go into the' makeup tank. 'I 'saw o'ne of the guys earlier an'd he_ said :they had gotten water in the HPR 227,' the rad monitor i for.the. reactor bidg.,'and the water was hot. So we knew there was a definite radiation problem.
LONG:
This was still before the site emergency?
LAUDERMILCH:
Right. We knew there was a problem and we were concerned about the water coming up, because we thought, " Man, oh, man, we are really going to be crapped up around here with this" So we were sitting there trying to figure out where in the devil is this water coming from.
In the~ meantime,lMikeJanouski,'_ the' rad ches tech,' came running down the hall and he' just"saidp"Get!
Fthe'he11L out!"'; Apparently, we had ' airborne readings or something; lbut: he was running down' the' hall and said, "Get_ your stuff and get out.". Terry shut off -- I think, I'm sure the Aux. b1dg.
su=ps were either off of he shut them off -- and he secured things there.
He checked the reactor b1dg pe=ps and I remember seeing
those were still off. The su=p pe=ps from tha roccto-Lieg.
were off the whole time since we had gone back on...
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and went over to Unit 1 HP.
We called the Unit 2 Control Room and told them we had been evacuated out of the auxiliary b1dg.
and we were over there.
Terry said, "Well, heck, we might as well go back over to Unit 2, because we're sure there's still a lot of stuff going on over there; we'd better get back over there and see if we can help out on anything." That's what we did. We came around to upstairs there, and then he said, "Well, did you get checked out real well, frisked and everything?" I
,said, "No."
So we went downstairs, and Terry was relatively~ clean.
- fy shbesTand 'p' ants and ' shirt were crapped up 'cause when we went.
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to the fire ~ alarm upstairs I took. off running and took a flop. on,
the floor. g I got crapped up up there.
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taking samples in the unit 2 HP area and they said, "Look wa
-: got' tof get respirat'o'rson' here. : We " don't'have' time 'to mess around ~
'with your clothing. lant:them off and-get into. paper coveralls"
' and get out."
They were putting on respirators.,I took my.
clothing off and gave my valuables to-Terry. 'He went up and I got changed and went upstairs. By that time -- somewhere in between there -- I'm sure the site e=ergency had been declared.
As 2 matter of fact, I'm sure it had.
It had to be right after we were evacuated out of the auxiliary b1dg. 'cause I remember people over there gathering at the Unit 1 HP area.
It might have been the time between when we were there and walking around to the Unit 2 HP area that they announced it.
Then we went upstairs and we stayed upstairs.
I'm trying to think what I
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did after that.
REPPERI:
Do you remedber how long you stayed that day?
LAUDERMILCH:
I think it was pretty close 'til noon time 'til we got out of here, and it was a little after one till we got...
REPPERI:
Checked out?
LAUDERMILCH: ' CNcked 'out lover at the ' 500KV.sub,"off the ' island. ; ~ 0ther than that I don' t know... that's a 1ot"of s tuff,' I guess...
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REPPERT:
Yes, it is, there's a lot of stuff and a lot of things that other people haven' t commented on; that's why we wanted to get individual perspective.
LAUDERh2LCH: Yeah.
is.PPERT:
When we try to put it all together, it may really help sort out things.
LAUDERMILCH: Are we scing to get together as a group and discuss this or...
LONG:
Eventually, yes.
LAUDERMILCH: Yeah,I.mean that might help me re=esber so=e more.
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