ML19305A535
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| Site: | Crane  |
| Issue date: | 07/03/1979 |
| From: | Creswell J, Mark Resner NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTION & ENFORCEMENT (IE REGION III), NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTOR & AUDITOR (OIA) |
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION L
In the Matter of:
2i IE TMI INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW 3
of Mr. Edwin G. Schaedel Site Operations Engineer 4
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8 Trailer #203 9
NRC Investigation Sito TMI Nuclear Power Plant 10 Middletown, Pennsylvania 11 i
May 7, 1979 12:
(Date of Interview) 13l July 3, 1979 (Date Transcript Typed) g 153 15 (Tape Numoer(s))
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Mr. James Creswell 23f Mr. Mark E. Resner 24l
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The following is an interview with Mr. Edwin G. Schaedel.
The time is 11:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, and the date is May 7, 1979.
This interview is being conducted at trailer 203 which is 3
located just outside the south gate to the Three Mile Island Facility.
Individ als present at this interview are Mr. James Creswell, Mr. Creswell 5
is a Reactor Inspector with the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission in Region III.
Moderator for this interview is Mark E. Resner, I am an 7
investigator with the Office of Inspector and Auditor, Headquarters, U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Prior to taping this interview Mr. Schaedel was given a two page document which advised him of the 10 purpose, scope and the authority with which the Nuclear Regulatory has 111 l
to conduct this investigation.
It also advised Mr. Schaedel that he 12!
was entitled to a representative of his choice, should he desire one 13 to be present, and that he was not s ompelled to talk to us.
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second page of this document Mr. Schaedel has answered three questions, 15 which I will briefly state for the record.
Question No.1:
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understar.' the above? Mr. Schaedel has checked yes indicating that he 17l does. Is that correct Mr. Schaedel?
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SCHAEDEL:
Yes.
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Question No. 2:
Do we have your permission to tape this 22 interview? Mr. Schaedel has indicated that we do have his permission.
23 Is that correct Mr. Schaedel?
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Yes.
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Question No. 3:
Do you want a copy of the tape? Mr. Schaedel 3
has checked yes indicating that he does desire a copy of the tape.
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that correct Mr. Schaedel?
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Yes.
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RESNER:
Thank you very mu::h. Mr. Schaedel would you state your official job title please?
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I am the Site Operations Engineer for the Startup Team for Babcock and Wilcox.
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Employed at the Three Mile Island site?
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At Three Mile Island.
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Thank you.
Now Mr. Schaedel if you will, would you give us a 19j brief resume of your experience in the nuclear field for the benefit of those who might listen to the tape in the future.
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Let me back up a little before that.
I started working 23 with Babcock and Wilcox in 1967, in the Boston Division, and in field 24l service work with the, utilities and power generation equipment.
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3 transferred into the Nuclear Division in 1973, in Lynchburg.
I stayed at Lynchburg approximately 11 months, before being assigned to the field fcr startup of another plant.
I was at that plant approximately two and one half years and then I was transferred to the Three Mile i
Island site for the startup of Unit 2.
That was approximately March of 1977.
I have been on the site since that time.
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RESNER:
Thank you very much.
At this point I'l.1 turn the questioning over to Mr. Creswell.
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Greg, it's my understanding talking to Mr. Lee Rogers that 11 you report to him.
13 SCHAEDEL: That's correct I report to him.
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Do you have any people that report to you on the site?
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I will direct some of their activities, but Lee Rogers is 18l the Site Operations Manager and we really report to him.
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CRESWELL:
I'd like if we could to go back to the day of March 28, 1979.
21 I wonder if you could briefly discuss the events of that day as you 22 recollect them.
In a previous discussion with you I believe you 23 stated that you were around the north gate area at the time of the 24 7:30 to 8:00 a.m'.
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Yes, I think trying to remember back to that day I arrived at the north gate at about 7:40.
At that time they were not letting anyone on the site.
I stopped at the gate and talked to the guard and some Met Ed employees.
They said that there had been a site emergency and they were not allowing anyone on site other than the operating personnel requires in that emergency.
I stayed at the north gate approximately half an hour or 45 minutes at which time I went to the Observation Center, At the Observation Center I found the rest-of the 8
B&W people that would normally be reporting to work and talked briefly with them.
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At this time I'd like to stop and identify Mr. Sinclair who 12 has entered the room and he'll give his title since Mr. Resner has 13 j
left.
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It's 11:10 p.m. on May 7.
My name is John Sinclair.
I am 16l an investigator with the Office of Inspector and Auditor, U. S. Nuclear 17 Regulatory Commission. I'll be monitoring the tape machine for the 18(
duration of the interview.
19l 20 CRESWELL:
Greg, could you recall for us what was going on in the 21 Observation Center when you got there?
22i 23 SCHAEDEL:
At the Observation Center at that time the employees that 24 were not admitted to the plant had gathered over there to await further 25j
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5 instructions and any information from the site.
This included Met Ed 1
empi yees, GPU employees, other contractors, such as B&W.
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the people were just gathered there waiting for information to be 3
released.
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CRESWELL: Who was in charge at the Observation Center?
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SCHAEDEL:
I don't really know the person's name or who was actually 8
in charge. I talked to a number of Met Ed employees that I knew just in general.
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CRE5WELL:
I believe that in our previous discussions we determined that you didn't directly communicate with anybody on site while you were at the Observation Center.
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That's true.
To my collection there was only one phone in 16' the Observation Center and it was quite busy at the time.
They were 17 trying to get information from the site.
I did talk to some of the 18t people there and tried to find out if Lee Rogers was indeed on site.
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In talking to people there, they called the site and they verified 20 that Lee Rogers was on site.
I then left a message to pass on to Lee 21 Rogers to have him call me at my home at approximately half hour to 45 22 minutes.
To the best of my knowledge this was approximately 9:30 in 23 the morning.
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Do you remember who you talked to at the Visitor Center that was on the telephone?
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I remember talking with Meri Schaefer.
I am not absolutely 4
sure that he was on the phone at the time.
6 CRESWELL:
So then you departed the Observation Center, then went home.
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I left my name, my home phone number for 8&W contact with 4
the idea that we could set up my home residence as a communications 111 point.
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So after you got home what were the next things that happened 14 that are related to the event, like contacts with Lynchburg or contacts 15 l
with Lee Rogers?
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I got home about 10:30 and waited for a call from Lee Rogers.
18t Prior to receiving a call from Lee Rogers, I had a call from Bill Spangler 191 from Lynchburg, who is in charge of Startup who we directly report to.
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it was a very short call.
He knew that there had been some problems 22 at the island.
His call to me was to remind me that B&W employees should not talk directly to news redia concerning any of the information 24 i
regarding what had happened.
He asked me if I would pass this along l
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to the other B&W people associated with the site.
I don't remember the exact time of that call.
I would say it was approximately 10:45 2
ar und that time frame.
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CRESWELL:
Let's see, I believe you're referring to a log there?
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I've made just some general notes that I tried to recollect 7
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Did you keep any kind of a log or notes?
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No, I didn't keep any specific log during that time.
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So Mr. Spangler called you and then he reminded you about 14{
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Were ther'e any technical subjects 15i 4
that were discussed at this point?
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Not at this time.
We didn't hava very much information and 18{
I hadn't talked to anyone on site at that time.
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Okay. So what is the next event that happens?
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I made a number of phone calls to the different B&W people 23 that I could get in touch with to pass along this information.
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CRESWELL:
That's about the media contact?
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Correct.
Also to make sure that they would call me if they 3
had any questions regarding when to report to work.
Again, trying to 4
keep the communications coming through my home phone.
The first call 51 that I had from Lee Rogers came approximately 11:00 to 11:30 somewhere 61 in that time frame.
This is the best guess.
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We appreciate it's from your recollections.
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The nature of this call, it was a very brief call, Lee was l
calling from the Control Room and we tried to discuss basically the 12l plant parameters, what was happening at the time.
We also discussed 13 the availability of some people that would be coming up from Lynchburg 141 j
to assist in any work in analyzing the transient that had taken place.
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Greg, now regarding the discussion of plant parameters, 17{!
what type did Lee indicate, in any general terms, the condition of the 18(
plant? For instance, did he indicate that there was fuel failures in 19l the plant?
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SCHAEDEL:
No he didn't discuss anything concerning fuel failure.
I 22 don't remember any exact parameters, but again thinking back to that 23 time, we more than likely discussed just general system conditions.
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Pressures?
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Yes. We may have talked about the pressures and temperatures, 3
'in general, although I don't really remember any exact numbers.
4 Primarily this call had to do with the availability of people.
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or not We Were going to be able to get on site to help.
We Were ju50 establishing communications at my house.
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In your discussions of availability of people did Mr. Rogers I
indicate that he wanted specific people involved, or cid he indicate that he needed expertise in certain areas?
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He didn't recommend or he didn't ask for any specific 13 l
people.
I think we already had identified some people that were 141 coming up.
This may have been identified by Lynchburg.
15i 16i CRESWELL:
In your discussion with Mr. Spangler?
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At some point in the morning we discussed three people that 191 were ready to come up.
Mr. Joe Kelly, Mr. Bob Twilly and Mr. Bob Winks.
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You say at some point in the morning Kelly, Winks and what 24 was the other gentlemen's name?
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Twilly.
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Twilly, were discussed.
Who was that discussion with?
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I'm trying to put the time frame together.
I believe that 5
might have been mentioned when I first talked to Mr. Spangler.
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So in your 11:00 to 11:30 conversation, or there abouts, would you have talked specific people with Rogers?
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Yes, I probably did tell him at that time the three people that had been designated to come up.
Let me make one thing clear, 12 that call with Mr. Rogers was very short. I said it came sometime 13 14.
between 11:00 and 11:30.
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So we're in the 11:00 to 11:30 time frame.
So what's the 16i next thing that happens?
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The next event is that at 11:39 I called Lynchburg and 19 discussed what I had heard from Mr. Rogers at that time and discussed i
20 with them that we would attempt to use my phone as a communication 21 link, since the phones in and out of the Control Room were extremely 22 difficult to do anything other than to make a local call.
Lee had 23 told me, at that time, that he thought it was best to just t y and 24 keep a local call and then I could, in turn, call long distance to l
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Did you relay any information to Lynchburg at'that poinc g
I about the plant conditions?
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Yes.
I probably did and again I didn't have a log of what 4
exa t parameters we discussed.
The nature of the call was generally 5
bringing them up to date with what I-had known at that time and getting 6;
any questions or information that they wanted.
One other thing, I 7
believe in that call I discussed with Lynchburg that the three people, when they did arrive in the area, I would have them come over to my house.
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And they left Lynchburg at that time? Evidently they 12:
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Yes, it was my understanding that they had left about 15j i
10:00, chartered plane.
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So after the 11:39 calf, what was the next event that you 18 had?
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The next event, I received another call from Rogers, and 21 again I place the time frame somewhere between 12:15 and 1:15.
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Did you make any requests from Mr. Rogers as far as data g
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I can't remember any specific requests.
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that time Mr. Rogers asked that we have some people available with 6
chemistry background.
CRESWELL:
How did you go about satisfying that request?
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That led to another call to Lynchburg at 1:36.
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Again I can't be exact on which call I passed along this information.
It may have been at an earlier call.
It may have been one set of the calls earlier that he requested 14 This information was passed i
in some chemistry support men to standby.
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How did they respond to that request?
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They were requesting that two people come up on another 201 l
chartered plane.
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That two people be sent down from Lynchburg?
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From Lynchburg up to the site.
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These two people were Eric Yuhon and Dale Yule.
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Could you spell those names please? Yuhon 6
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I believe it's yochhiem.
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Excuse me youch?
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And the other gentlemen?
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The other gentlemen is Dale Yule.
I think it's ule.
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Did Mr. Rogers indicate why he needed chemical support or 17 l
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No, he may have even asked for chemistry and radiochemistry 20 support.
There was no specifics given for what task these people 21.
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So we are at 1:36 and the next communication which you had?
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y During that time, at some point during that call, Mr. Kelly Winks and Twilly arrived at my house.
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What did they do upon arrival?
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speaking, some of the plant parameters we discussed were pressurizer level, temperatures and pressures, reactor coolant system temperatures and pressures.
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and after they arrived and you briefed them, what's the 12!
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The next call I received from Mr. Rogers I place approximately 15 2:30 to 3:30, somewhere in that time rance.
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calls from Lee was carried out in a respirator.
He had to wear a 17) respirator in the Control Room. So the information flow was a lot-IS!
harder.
Talking, listening through a respirator you have a tendency to make very basic statements to keep the information to a minimum.
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the plant status and what some of the activities were at the time.
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Did you do the talking to Mr. Rogers or did the other 241 i
gentlemen talk to him also?
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I did all the talking.
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How long do you estimate that that telephone call lasted?
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The one with Mr. Rogers, I would gpess that was only $ or 5
10 minutes, that time frame.
The next call was to Lynchburg at 3:54.
6 I believe at that time they told me the two m ple, Mr. Yochhiem and 7
Mr. Ule were on their way; again, general discussions of the plant 8
conditions.
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During the course of any of these conversations, did Lynchburg make any recommendations to you that should be passed to Mr. Rogers?
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Let me talk in general on that.
There were, let's see 14.
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on recommendatiens of...
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These are later calls?
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I can't pinpoint exactly which call the recommendations 20 were passed along.
But one definite recommendation had been high 21 pressure injection flows of 400 gallons per minute.
I believe this 22 had stemmed from an earlier request from Mr. Rogers as to what the 23 i
decayed heat in the core should be based on the reactor previously 24 being run at a certain power level for a certain number of days.
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Based on exposure, roughly?
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Based on a power history.
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CRESWELL: Any other recommendations that you recollect?
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SCHAEDEL:
We talked about recortmendations concerning reactor coolant pumps, the advisability of restarting the reactor coolant pumps, and what specifically should be looked at.
10 CRESWELL: What was the nature of those discussions?
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I guess primarily we were looking at concerns of restarting 13 the reactor coolant pump. What the actual conditions were as far as 14 seals and permissivas, which would include cooling water, the lube oil 15!
pumps, whether or not the pump was in any condition to be run. We 16' also discussed whether or not they had tried to start the pumps.
17 Again I can't pinpoint exactly which call these took place.
It was 181 discussed that Lynchburg was informed that they had tried to restart 191 pumps.
If I remember right, they tried to start a pump in one loop 20 and it wouldn't start.
They tried to start the pump in the other 21i i
loop.
They didn't identify which loops and it did start but it ran at 22 a very low amperage, approximately 100 amps as compared to a normal 23 current of about 600 amps.
Then the pump was secured. Then a third 24 attempt to start a pump was again in the original loop.
Again the 25 pump started and ran at approximately 100 amps, and was secured.
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Any other recommendations?
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One of the return calls Lynchburg had requested that if the 3
pump was tried again to attempt.to get a very accurate indication of 4
the amperage.
By that they wanted to know if it was 100 or 110 amps 5
or try to get as Close to the amperage reading as possible.
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Did they indicate what this meant, this 100 or 110 amps?
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Not specifically.
I guess guess my impression was they may be looking for a no-load running condition comparable to a running condition.
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Any other recommendations?
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SCHAEDEL: We discussed...
The calls to Lynchburg were approximately 16l twenty to thirty minutes in duration.
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was passed along whenever possible to Mr. Rogers.
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actually obtained.
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Let me a break in at this point.
It's 11:35 p.m. we are 23 going to break here to change the tape.
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1 Greg, you had just mentioned that your calls to Lynchburg were approximately twenty to thirty minutes in duration.
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Yah, I'd like to make a comment now.
Some of the review I did.
The basis for the times of the calls to Lynchburg came off the i
phone bill.
So those could be pinned back to a definite time based on the phone bill itself and the duration of,the call.
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Greg, I would like to ask you at this point would you have 15i any objection in furnishing the phone bill to us so that we could get 16i.
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It's just a request.
It's not anything like a 17l 1
demand or anything like that.
It would be purely on your own part 18[
that you would furnish this information to us.
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I personally don't have any problem, but I'd like to check 22 with my company.
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lP ace, how long they lasted and is, by no means, meant to be an infringement 3
on your privacy because that's all we're interested in is those calls that were involved wit.h the incident and the interchange of informeon 5
between the B&W Corporate offices and the TMI site?
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Right.
New that would only list the calls made directly from my houso to Lynchburg.
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Right, and it would be of your own volition that you would I
furnish us this information.
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I understand.
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Now the last time that we discussed was 3:54.
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Correct. I believe the next call from Mr. Rogers was approximately 18 5:00 in the afternoon.
Again we discussed general site activities, j
some of the different parameters.
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vacuum in the condenser, or were trying to reestablish a vacuum.
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22 of the other parameters were pressurizer levels, steam generator 23 secondary side pressures, reactor coolant system temperatures, and 24 again a general discussion on the desire to run or restart a reactor 25j i
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coolant pump.
The next call then was 5:38 to Lynchburg.
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I basically continued discussing plant parameters.
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these later calls that the high pressure injection flow was again 3
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Yes. When Mr. Rogers called you at 5:00 did he state that e-they had implemented that recommendation in that they had at least 400 7
gpm of HPI (high pressure injection) flow or that they had not?-
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Well, that's hard to say because I can't remember if the request from Lynchburg had come up with that call or not.
I really didn't document the time. We were trying to get histories of high pressure injection flow.
My understanding at that time was that flow was not charted.
It was only on a gauge that had a readout instantaneously.
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So that was tne 5:38 call to Lynchburg?
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Any other items discussed besides what you've already 20\\'
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Nothing specific that I can remember.
Again, generally in 23 my recollection, we just talked about the different parameters and 24 different information that Lynchburg wanted that we tried to get from 25l l
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At this time I don't remember 1,
any specific items that we talked about other than primarily pump 2
Concerns.
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That's during the 5:38 call.
What did you have next?
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The next call came from Mr. Rogers at approximately 6:00.
7 I believe, at that time, he told me that Met Ed had been requested or the people in the Control Room, had been requested, or directed by personnel from the Observation Center, to increase system pressure.
Again, I don't have the actual numbers.
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were attempts, I believe, to get another reactor coolant pump in 12!
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And then the next call to 14I Lynchburg was at 1844.
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Right, 6:44 p.m. That was a short call it was only about 8 19 minutes. Again, between these last two calls, or at some point approximately 20 this time range, Lynchburg had requested to for me to talk to Mr. Rogers 21 to see if he could call Lynchburg directly.
We explained to them the 22 difficulties in getting a phone communication out of the Control Room, 23:
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bumped the 1A reactor coolant pump for approximately 10 seconds and then at 7:48 they had put the 1A pump back in service.
It was operating.
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Is that the last call you had?
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Yes.
At that time, I believe, he relayed to me that he had made contact with Lynchburg, because I did not call Lynchburg again 7
after that phone call until later in the evening.
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These calls involved, except for some at the very beginning of the day, discussions between you and Lynchburg and Mr. Rogers and l
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Did you have communications with anyone else regarding these 12l
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We were talking in 16i general of the plant conditions and trying to figure out amongst 17'
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191 20I CRESWELL:
About what time would you estimate?
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I'm trying to recollect. I believe it was late in the 23 afternoon, but I think it was before 5:00.
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They arrived at the Harrisburg Airport?
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Yes, and then came over to my house.
They may have gone to 3
the motel, I am not sure, first.
Normally I left messages at the motels they were staying at to give me a call, or to get over to my I
house.
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CRESWELL:
During these discussions that you had with Lynchburg was there ever any discussions about contractual arrangements with Metropolitan Edison Company or GPU (General Public Utilities)?
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I don't understand what you mean by contractual.
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related to the event, would require extra contractual agreements or it 151 would be handled say under a normal contract that you would have with 16i the company?
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During that day this was not discussed in terms of any 19i i
arrangements to be made with Met Ed.
We were under the impression 20 that we were there to give advice and consultation and whatever or 21.
whomever that involved and we would support them in that effort.
22 23 CRESWELL:
As far as you are concerned there was no reluctance on the 24 part of B&W to provide it?
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None whatsoever.
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Thank you.
At this point I would like to ask you if you 3
have any comments that you would like to make and this would include 4
anything.
The NRC, whatever.
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Let me just make some general comments.
During discussions with Lynchb'urg, the initial conversations was with Bill Spangler. I believe by the second call, they had formed a group of managers in Lynchburg and everyone of my calls went into a room on the speaker box so there was quite a number of people available for licensee consultation, 12' receiving the information, and at times requesting certain data. There was also attempts by the people in Lynchburg to find out the locations 13 of some of the Met Ed people.
For example, Mr. Herbein and Mr. Arnold.
14, My understanding is that they were also trf'ing to make calls to those 15i people.
At one point in time we did pass back the information that 16i Mr. Herbein was with the Governor.
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Any other comments that you would like to make, any mention?
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Just one thing I'd like to say again that communications 21, were quite difficult tc, ae able to get all of the information we 22 wanted due to the fact that in talking with Mr. Rogers being on the 23 phone he really didn't have access to all of the data.
He would try 24 and get to the panel-board or talk to the people, as he could, to 25j i
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But throughout a number of calls I could tell y
that he was very much involved with the :upervision in the Control 2
Room supplying advice and consultation; the type of thinking that goes 3
into where they are going to go next, what type of things they are 4
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There is or 3 other thing that I would like to ask you.
Are you aware of any information that was telefaxed up to the Lynchburg site during the time period.we've been discussing?
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I am not aware of any information that was sent up. Do you 12!
mean by telecopy or any other means?
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Yes.
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I don't recollect any that was sent up in that form.
Our 17l attempts had been to get on site as soon as possible.
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attempt to get some of the data that had been taken during the transient 20' in a form that we could look at. But I do'n't recollect any information 21 being sent up by way of telecopy.
22 23 CRESWELL:
So to your knowledge had during the time period that we-241 l
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p you at your home telephone?
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y Other than the direct cal,ls they were trying to make through to either Mr. Herbein or Arnold.
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calls went through in that?
There may also have been calls to different parts of Met Ed or GPU. It's only speculation on my part.
They may have been talking to Reading directly or licensing people may have 5
been in discussions.
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At this time I would like to turn it back over to Mr. Sinclair g
to see if he has any questions if not, why he can close the interview.
10 SINCLAIR:
No I have no further questions.
I just want to thank you Mr. Schaedel.
Is it Schaedel?
12, 13 SCHAEDEL:
Schaedel.
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16; The present time is 11:54 p.m., May 7,1979.
At this time we will conclude the interview.
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