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DEPOSITION of BABCOCK & WILCOX by JOHN ANGELO CASTANES, held at the offices of Babcock
& Wilcox, Old Forest Road, Lynchburg, Virginia 24505, on the 6th day of July 1979, commencing at 8:45 a.m.
before Stanley Rudbarg, Certified Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public of the State of New York.
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MORGAN, LEWIS & BOCKIUS, ESQS.
O Attorneys for Babcock & Wilcox 1800 M Street, N.W.
6 Washington, D.C.
20038 BY:
GEORGE L.
EDGAR, ESQ.
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of Counsel 9
10 E9* IEE E9"EIEEI9Ei 11 12 WINTHROP A.
ROCKWELL, ESQ.
Associate Chief Counsel 13 14 OLE 9_EBEEEMIi 15 RONALD M.
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MR. ROCKWELL:
For the record, by stipu-lation between Mr. Edgar and myself, we will 4
mark at this time the press packet which was
.a produced by B&W to the Commission as a 6
MacMillan Deposition Exhibit, noting that 7
Mr. MacMillan is not here and has not reviewed 8
the exhibit.
We are marking what has been 9
produced to us on the understanding by both 10 sides that it is complete, and if either one of 11 us finds something that is improperly part of yg it, we can notify the other.
MR. EDGAR:
If, indeed, there are other pieces of material that are missing from the 14 package, we will add them to the package.
15 MR. ROCKWELL:
That's right.
16 MR. EDGAR:
Further, that Mr. MacMillan 17 is not aware at the present time that this is 18 being made an exhibit to his deposition.
19 MR. nOCKWELL:
And so that we have a clear record of what is in the package, let us 20 first mark it, and then we will identify each of the pieces for the record.
Claterial described below relating to 23 press packEc was marked MacMillan Deposition 24 foridentification.I 892~227 Exhibit 68-A 23 BENJAMisJ R EPO RTIN G SERVICE
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MR. ROCKWELL:
Deposition Exhibit 68-A has been marked with that number so that it 4
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would be part of the series of exhibits marked
.a during Mr. MacMillan's deposition, and it con-6 sists of a printed black leaflet entitled 7
" Babcock & Wilcox, Helping America Make The Most 8
Of Its Energy Options"; a single page biography 9
of George zipf; a single page biography of 10 Louis Favret; a single page biography of John 11 MacMillan; introductory remarks by George Zipf; 12 and a prepared statement entitled "Three Mile Island 2,
A Babcock & wilcox Perspective,"
3 by John MacMillan; a schematic of the TMI 2 14 p'ower plant; prepared remarks entitled "After 15 Three Mile Island," by Favret; closing remarks 16 by George Zipf; another set of closing remarks by George Zipf, which appears to be different; 18 a document entitled "The Need for Nuclear Energy,"
19 which appears to be excerpted from something 20 called " Nuclear Power Assembly 1979") a sheet entitled " Background Radiation Exposure Per g
Year," a single sheet; a reprint of a guest editorial by Mr.
C.
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Graves from a Rockwell 23 International publication; Fact Book
'78, which 24 appears to be the annual report for McDermott, Inc.; and lastly, a four-page blue newspaper BENJAMIN R EPO RTING S ERVICE
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3 format report entitled "Special Open House 4
Report, B&W, TMI and Nuclear Power; Where Are We Now,"
O Is that an accurate deccription of the 6
contents of the press packet?
7 MR. GALLEN:
It is.
8 JO H N AN GEL 0 CA S TANE S having 9
been duly sworn by Mr. Rockwell, was called as a 10 witness and testified as follows:
11 DIRECT EXAMINATION 12 BY MR. ROCKWELL:
13 Q
Would you state your name?
A John Angelo Castanes.
}4 Q
Would you give us your current business l a,
- address, 16 A
Babcock & Wilcox Nuclear Power Generation 17 Division, Old Forest Road, Lynchburg, Virginia.
18 Q
And what is the name of your employer?
19 A
Babcock & Wilcox.
20 Q
And your current position with Babcock 21
& Wilcox?
A I am manager of Control Equipment Unit.
g3 Q
Have y u brought with you today a resume?
23 A
Yes, I have here two copies.
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3 marked castanes Deposition Exhibit 86 for 4
identification, this date.)
Q Mr. Castanes, showing you what has been 3
marked as Castanes Deposition Exhibit 86, is that 6
the resume that you have prepared?
7 A
Yes, it is.
8 Q
And you did prepare it yourself?
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10 Q
Is it current and up-to-date?
11 A
Yes.
13 Q
Mr. Castanes, in reviewing your resume, I note that your position from February of 1973 to March '75 was as principal engineer, Advanced Design Group.
15 A
That is correct.
16 Q
At that time, were you involved in I
designing or redesigning a control room package or 18 layout?
19 A
Yes, I was.
20 Q
And that would be for Babcock & Wilcox NSSS systems?
gy A
For the 205 Standard System, 205 Fuel Assembly.
Q When you started that work design, was 23 that redesign, or was that design from scratch?
24 A
Well, in essence, what we had done was to take
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control room and upgrade the design from a SMUD control room to the 205 Fuel Assembly Plant.
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Q You started from the type which is actually reflected in the SMUD control room?
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Yes.
8 Q
The design package or concept had not 9
been updated between the time it was put together 10 and the time that you started making reference to 11 it in the beginning of your work?
e 12 A
That is correct.
13 Q
What was your objective in the design 74 process that you began in 19737 15 (Continued on Page 8.)
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A Well, the objective was to come up with a 2.1 4
modular control room concept and to upgrade control room panels to the 205 fuel assembly plant, as opposed a
to the SMUD, which was a 177 fuel assembly plant.
The objection also was to improve -- provide improved plant operator information through the use 8
of CRT's and to upgrade also in accordance with various 9
Reg. guides which had come out since that design was 10 implemented.
11 Q
What Reg. guides were new since the package 12 had first been put together, do you recall?
A some of them I recall are Reg. Guide 1.75 on 13 separation criteria.
Q 1.75?
A Yes.
16 Q
Any others?
17 A
Well, I have forgotten what the Reg. guide numbers, 18 but post-accident monitoring equipment.
19 Q
Do you recall any others?
20 A
Not offhand.
31 Q
You said one of your objectives was to provide improved plant operator information through the s_
use of cathode ray tubes?
A Yes.
24 Q
Do you know the source of t, hat objective 25
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looking for, was that something that it was Babcock &
Wilcox' perception that it was important and ought to a
be added?
Why were you addressing that subject?
A As I recall, the decision had been made when I 7
had come to Babcock & Wilcox to go to CRT's.
I do 8
know that competition at that time had already started 9
using CRT's and there was a lot of interest in the 10 industry in going to CRT's.
11 Q
So you are indicating that you were essen-12 tially given an objective and you were not involvad in the f rmulation of it directly?
13 A
Well, I would not put it exactly as you put it, no.
I think the decision had been made before I had 15 come to go to an advanced dirplay system.
Now, the 16 actual implementation of the advanced system I was 17 heavily involved with.
18 Q
The advanced display system is the CRT's 19 or does it include things beyond the CRT's?
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It included things beyond the CRT's.
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plant computer system really which had associated with it CRT displays, a new application software package, nn improved logging capability for the operator, and when I used the word " improved" I am talking about improved 24 over our previous generation.
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And, you know, it was intended to be and still 4
is -- it is a system which we feel provides the operator with additional tools to be used for operating a
the plant.
Let me add one other thing, and that is with regard to the control room itself, when I say we 8
used the SMUD as the basis for the control room design, 9
I am talking primarily about the layout.
You know, the 10 design criteria with regard to putting in front of the 11 operator the most frequently used instrumentation and 12 controls, the less frequent ones being put on a 13 separate panel -- we als incorporated what. we called a modular concept, which was to provide the operator an operator's console, provide a panel which was not la, to be a back panel.
We have not recommended it as a 16 back panel but as a side panel, which provided addi-17 tional instrumentation and control for bringing the 18 plant at various conditions but less frequent operation 19 use than an emergency control panel section.
20 We came up with this type of a modular concept that the customer could actually locate these panels 31 in his control room, but we did indeed give them s.
recommended layouts.
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And I take it from the description you gave 24 in your resume, as principal engineer you were in 25 B ENJAMIN R EPO RTIN G SERVICE b5
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charge of the process of putting this 1973 package 4
together?
A Yes.
3 Q
Can you tell me where you looked for guid-ance in terms of where you wanted to go with the 7
package you were putting together.
Did you consult, 8
for instance, specifically with any of the utilities?
9 A
Yes, we did indeed talk with Washington Public 10 Power Supply System, WPPSS.
We also did a lot of 11 research into what our competition was doing, namely 12 Combustion and Westinghouse and GE and also took 13 advantage f
ur wn in-house capability through our training personnel.
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Q Any others?
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Well, we also, of course, went to whatever literature we could locate on human factors.
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time there was not very much.
It was primarily military handbooks that were available to us.
7 Q
What kind of consultation did you have 8
with WPPSS?
9 A
With WPPSS, we were in the process of actually 10 signing a contract with them for a control room, and 11 we were dealing primarily with United Engineers, who 12 were the architect-engineers.
We were meeting with them na frequent basis to determine the type of 3
control room that they were interested in.
Q Is United Engineers an AE?
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Yes.
16 Q
Was the package you were putting together intended to be a model for the control room that 18 would be put in che WPPSS plant?
19 A
Yes.
20 Q
Did it become such in the final outcome?
A Well, there have been a significant number of gy changes made since then, but I think the basic layout is still the same with regard to the NSSS portion.
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rooms is limited to the scope of supply which we offer.
4 Q
What did you find out in 1973 that the
.o competition was doing?
6 A
Well, what we found out was that they all 7
vere gearing toward a new control room concept which 8
centered around the use of large numbers of color 9
graphic CRT's, and that some of them, of course, were 10 going to implementing them to various degrees, for 11 instance, the Nuclenet, which is the GE unit.
Anyow, with the Nucienet program, they supplied 73 the whole control room.
They were supplying floor sections.
What they would do is lift it up and put 14 it in place in the control room, and it contained 15 all the control panels, the wiring, the floor, 16 averything.
17 We chose not to go that way.
18 Q
When you say " color graphic CRT's," what 19 does that mean?
What it sounds like to a lay person 20 is a CRT which displays in color.
21 A
Yes.
What we have done was develop various og types of CRT displays.
I guess we call them process instrumentation drawing displays of one type.
I guess you would call them a mimic, plant simic.
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alphanumerie displays.
Then we also have what we 4
call operator curve graphs.
All of these displays 5
were dynamic or are dynamic.
6 Q
What was the last one you mentioned?
A Operating graphs.
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Could you explain what those are to me, 8
starting with bar charts?
9 A
Bar charts are really another way of showing 10 a meter representation.
We use b o t t.1 horizontal and 11 vertical bars with a scale associated with them, 12 and we use various colors to denote whether or not 13 the parameter is in normal operating band or is in an alarm band.
Well, those are the two conditions 14 we use.
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So, for instance, that I understand it, 16 if a gauge moved into what would be the red range G
for a needle, the bar on your CRT would change color?
18 A
Change color to red.
What we have done, for 19 instance, we have various displays we have worked 20 up, and for instance, we can show the entire ICS 21 means of the controlling elements for an ICS on one i
CRT.
We can have the various bars for the generative o,_o
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Then we can a
also show on there the alarm set' pointy'.' We,also..,
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show where the plant is heading, if it is in a 4
maneuvering position or if it is steady where it is.
Q How about numeric displays?
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They are really just text.
For instance, an 6
alarm display would be an alphanumeric display.
It 7
would be a descriptor which gives you the name of the 8
parameters and the value of the parameter, and in this 9
case for alarm display, it would tell you if it was 10 alarm or if it returned to normal by virtue of its 11 color, whether it is acknowledged alarm, and it w uld also tell you the time interval.
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And then there was another category of g
information, operating --
A Operating graphs.
15 Q
Operating graphs.
Can you tell me what 16 you mean by that?
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An example of operating graphs would be something 18 like a heatup curve where we have on the CRT the fixed 19 limits that the operator must stay within for heating 20 up his plant.
Then we have a cursor that will ultimetely move as he maneuvers the plant, and by 3
keeping the cursor between the operating design s,
curves, he knows he is operating, or rather he 'is 23 maneuvering in an allowable region.
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Q Did you have one of those?
Did you develop 4.'
4 one of those for the range of pressurizer level?
3 An operating graph?
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Yes, showing allowable limits.
A Yes, there is one for pressurizer level versus 7
power.
8 Q
It shows a cursor moving between the 9
permissible low limit and the permissible high limit?
10 A
What we have in this partictlar case, as I 11 recall, is a single graph that sayr, "You should be on 12 this line," and then there is a cursor that moved with it-13 Q
Going back to your description of the bar chart, which'is essentially a graphic meter represen-la, tation, would that be a duplication of a gauge that is 16 already on the control board?
17 A
A duplication in the sense that it is relaying 18 the same exact information, yes.
A duplication from 19 the standpoint that you, that is the operator can 20 group things as he wishes, no.
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What I was getting at is it is simply reflecting the information that is already on the gau,ge s-no but it reflects it obviously in a different format, correct?
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Q And how does the operator use that?
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he call it up when he wants it?
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display of the information on the CRT in the form of bar charts fit into the way the operator receives 7
information?
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All of our displays are on a call up basis.
We 9
don't have any which automatically come up.
And so 10 what the operator would have to do is to decide on 11 what it is he would like to see, and we provide menus.
12 In other words, if he wants to find out what is avail-able to him, if he doesn't recall, then he can call up g
and assign any display to any of the CRT's.
Q And are these multiple displays in some 15 cases where a number of factors that wou.d be related 16 for purposes of making a particular judgment or a 17 particular analysis might be displayed simultaneously?
18 A
I am not sure I know what you mean.
19 Q
Let us take, for instance, the example of 20 the emergency instruction which relates to telling ni whether the PORV is open.
As I understand, in the ss instruction there are three or four indices which an operator should look to to determine whether he has got a failed open PORV, a tail pipe temperature 24 reading, quench tank pressure, temperature' and. level.
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Is that the kind of thing that you would group in a 4
particular callup on a CRT, so the operator can hit a button and all four parameters would be then displayed a
to him, and he could make a comparison of these factors in the fashion called for in a particular 7
operating procedure or emergency procedure?
8 A
As I understand what you are driving at, do we 9
have displays which are geared toward particular 10 procedures?
11 Q
Yes.
12 A
Our displays are more general.
In other words, we w uld supply for the particular one you just 13 described a P&ID of the RC system.
Q You lost me.
15 A
Process and Instrumentation Drawing, which is 16 the first type of drawing that we discussed, or 17 display, and it would be for the reactor coolant system.
18 on that there wo;1d be in essence a simplified 19 piping drawing with the various parameters printed out 20 at the approximate location of the instrument.
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So the operator then could look at his whole s-RC system and be able to have a graphic representation, 23 and everything is sitting there changing.
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So, for instance, to go back to.the example *
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3 I was using, if we were interested in trying to figure 4
out whether he had a failed open PORV, he would look at his tail pipe, and there would be digital readouts a
there?
6 A
Yes.
7 Q
He would look at the tail pipe temperature?
8 A
Yes.
9 Q
He would then trace that line down to the 10 quench tank and start looking at readouts for the 11 condition of the quench tank?
12 A
okay.
The quench tank is not on the particular display we have.
That would be another display he 13 would call up.
But, for instance, the operator would have avail-15 able to him on the RC system, he would have the hot leg 16 temperature, cold leg temperature, reactor coolant 17 temperature, pressuri=er level, tail pipe temperature 18 just about all of them, in fact, all of the parameters.
19 we would also calculate for him the average 20 temperature across the core.
That would also be og displayed.
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Q Is this information displayed on a normal-4 sized television screen or CRT screen?
5 A
Well, we use an 18-inch CRT, and it is a con-venti nal m nit r.
of course, it is driven by a 6
digital system, as opposed to the typical analog-t type TV set.
8 Q
Has this kind of information display 9
been incorporated in any of the plants that are under 10 construction or going into operation since your 1973 11 package was put together?
12 A
WPPSS is the first for us.
13 Q
Has that gone on-line yet?
A It is still in manufacture.
14 Q
Are there any plans on the drawing board 15 which appear to be incorporating this approach to control room instrumentation and display?
17 A
Do we have any plans on the drawing board?
18 Q
Yes, B&W.
19 A
Well, once again, WPPS.
20 Q
I know, but aside from WPPSS, are there 21 any other plants which are or are planning to use this system which you have been describing?
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these contracts have been delayed now.
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Q Has anyone looked into the possibility 4
or requested that you examine the possibility of 5
retrofitting to provide these kinds of information displays in existing control rooms?
6 A
As I understand your question, has anybody 7
approached us at upgrading the control rooms to 8
include these?
Not to my knowledge, no, but we 9
have in the past approached customers on upgrading 10 their computer systems, and as part of that sales 11 pitch, we do indeed tell then that we have the capa-12 bility of putting the color grap?dc CRT capability in.
13 Q
Has anyone taken you up on that?
A No.
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16 A
I think it has varied, really.
I know WPPSS, 17 for instance, likes the color graphic CRT.
I also 18 heard various other customers say thtt they don't 19 particularly like them.
I think it is just going to 20 be something that is going to be they have to get 21 used to.
33 Q
Mr. Stevens was talking to us yesterday and indicated that it was his perception that utili-ties have tended to be fairly conservative in the innovations they are willing to make in 25
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rooms, and you are smiling, and I take it you agree 4
with that comment.
5 A
Yes.
Also, we have noticed in the past that each of our utilities has its own concept, each 6
utility customer has its own concept of what he wants 7
for a control room; such things as switches constantly 8
get changed.
The use of mimics on a panel -- they 9
come and go, depending on the customer's desires, and 10 all of these have an impact on the control console 11 in making it larger and larger and larger, when you 12 start adding mimics, for instance, and start adding 13 the larger switches.
14 Our concept has been to use the smaller switches with the use of CRT's.
It is new, and a lot of power g
plant operators are not used to them yet.
In talking to them, we find out that while they would tend to 17 like them, they also want to keep their analog 18 instrumentation with it.
That is one of the reasons 19 for our 205 standard, which provides 4 CRT's but a 20 backup analog sitting there right.with them.
So 21 in the event the CRT went completely blank or if og the operator is just of the type where it will take him a while to use the CRT, he has every bit of 3
analog instrumentation needed there in front of him.
Q You say that you have gone with the smaller 25 1892 246 BENJAMIN R EPO RTIN G SERVICE
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size switches in your designs?
A Yes.
4 Q
What do you think the advantages of a
those are?
6 A
I think the main advantage of the smaller 7
switches is it allows you to group your control and 8
your indicator in a much more logical manner, logical 9
from the standpoint that you can, by virtue of the 10 size, put the control directly below the indicator 11 or almost directly below it.
It also minimizes the size of the control room and allows the operator to 73 keep within his field of view a large number of indications in his reach.
14 By that I mean he doesn't have to start walking 15 around too much, roaming the consoles to find out what 16 is going on.
17 Q
Do you know whether there is operating 18 experience in the industry with respect to these 19 color graphic CRT's?
Have you had any understanding f what the experience has been in practice?
20 A
Yes, we do know that, I believe in Pennsylvania Power and Light, if I am not mistaken, which has one, and the Canadians, we know, have been using them.
We have gotten our information on this, by the way, at-0~4 various seminars.
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least I personally have not gone to -- a full plant 4
and seen it in operation.
I believe it is the Susquehanna plant, if I'm not mistaken, that has that.
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Q What feedback have you gotten with respect 63 4
to your experience?
A The feedback we have gotten with respect to our
.a experience is that once the operators got used to it they thought they were very useful and helpful to 7
them.
8 Q
Did they use special training to bring the 9
operators on stream in the sense of getting used to 10 these?
11 A
I don't know.
12 Q
You have not had a chance, personally, to visit control rooms where these are used, have you?
13 A
I visited Bellew Creek, a cold-fired plant, which uses color graphic CRT's.
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Was this design revision that you did in 16 1973 ultimately the product of the combined efforts of 17 Babcock & Wilcox and WPPSS and United Engineers or was 18 it really somethine that was the product of Babcock &
19 Wilcox alone?
20 A Let me answer the question this way.
We built a 31 wooden mockup of the WPPSS control room for the NSSS s/
Scope of Supply only.
We mocked up the instrumentation, and then had one of our training staff come down and actually run through plant operations and emergency 24 procedures using the wooden mockup as a basis for the -
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control room.
After we completed that effort, or even 4
actually during this period, United Engineers' personnel were meeting with us periodically, and they
.3 actually go down and see it themselves and see what progress was being made.
7 As far as any actual input from the AE at that 8
they time there was very little.
Their involvement 9
became more heavily involved after we had started 10 sending them some drawings and started incorporating 11 their own BOP on the panels, and WPPSS was no different, 12 and when I say WPPSS I am talking about the WPPSS e ntract, and we deal primarily with the United 13 Engineers, and they did change the switches; for instance, the small switches, we nad gone with the concept of using one type of switch for valves and 16 another for pumps and motors.
They decided that they 17 wanted to put in a larger switch.
10 Q
Was that the pistol grip switch?
19 A
They used what we call a CMC switch which I'd 20 say is two and a half to three inches, a rectangular 31 switch with a knurled knob that they twist, which you Ds see a lot at airports, and of course the control room size started growing once you did that.
Q There is something I am not clear about.
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separate and distinct from a design process to come up with a fundamental B&W design?
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or were the two merged, and if they were 6
merged to some extent, how much?
7 A
Initially when they started off they were the 8
same.
The 205 standard was to be used on WPPSS.
WPPSS then decided that they wanted a lot of contract 10 unique features put onto it such as the switches and 11 as a result we then separated the two efforts because 13 once we get a contract with a customer it is his Control room and he is going to insure that it is his requirements and his desires, so once we started 14 deviating from what we thought that we wanted for our 15 standard offering, we actually separated the two at 16 that time.
Q Structurally here within your organization?
18 A Yes.
19 Q
So you had a team working on the WPPSS 20 control room?
A And a team working on the 205 standard.
gy sf There are other features that come in also beside these WPPSS contract unique features, for instance 23 scope of supply changes.
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them into the standard, but WPPSS may not have wanted 4
them or may not have picked them up.
Even if WPPSS had not made any changes we would
.a have eventually gone to two separate paths because of the scope of supply changes, but the basic layout is 7
the same.
In other words, they didn't go in there 8
and just arbitrarily start changing anything around.
9 They followed the concept we had established.
10 Q
They just sized it differently?
11 A
Yes, they sized it differently.
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(Documents described below herein marked 4
Castanes Deposition Exhibits 87 through 99 for identification, this date.)
.o Q
Mr. Castanes, showing you Castanes 6
Deposition Exhibits 87 through 99, taken as a group, 7
do these represent the Babcock & Wilcox current 205 8
standard designs for the control room?
9 A
Yes.
10 Q
Let me run through the exhibits indi-11 vidually very quickly with you.
13 As Castanes Deposition Exhibit 87, that is Drawing No. 38297F, Revision 07 A
Yes.
14 Q
Could you identify it, please.
15 A
It is the center and wedge base module console 16 layout drawing.
17 Q
As Castanes Deposition Exhibit 88, that is 18 Drawing No. 222150F, Revision 07 19 A
Yes.
20 Q
w uld you please identify it.
A Left and right base module control layout drawing.
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Q As Castanes Deposition Exhibit 89, is that Drawing No. 222154E, Revision 07 23 A
Yes.
24 Q
Could you please identify it.
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A Panel layout for option chemical addition and 4
baron recovery system.
5 Q
Referring you to Castanes Deposition 6
Exhibit 90, is that Drawing No. 222152E, Revision 07 A
Yes.
7 Q
Please identify it.
A ESF panel layout drawing.
9 Q
Referring you to Castanes Deposition 10 Exhibit 91, is that Drawing 139050D, Revision 0?
11 A
Yes.
12 Q
Would you please identify it.
13 A
Panel layout for option chemical sampling system.
14 Q
Referring you to Castanes Deposition Exhibit 92, is that Drawing No. 139051D, Revision 0?
15 A
Yes.
16 Q
Please identify it.
17 A
Panel layout for option reactor building spray 18 system.
19 Q
Referring you to Castanes Deposition 20 Exhibit 93, is that Drawing No. 139048D, Revision 07 21 A
Yes.
33 Q
Please identify it.
A Panel lay t fr ption reactor building cooling 23 system.
Q Referring you to Castanes Deposition 25 Exhibit 94, is that Drawing No. 139049D, Revision 0?
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A Yes.
4 Q
Please identify it.
A Panel layout for option component cooling system, D
Part 1 of 2.
May I go off the record?
(Drawing No. 139052D, Revision 0,
Panel 7
Layout for optional co=ponent cooling system, 8
Part 2 of 2,
was made available after the 9
deposition, and by stipulation of counsel, was 10 marked Castanes Deposition Exhibit 94-A for 11 identification, this date.)
(Discussion held off the record. )
yg Q
Referring you to Castanes Deposition Exhibit 95, is that Drawing No. 139044D, Revision 0?
14 A
Yes.
15 Q
Please identify it.
16 A
ESF panel outline and dimensions.
17 Q
Referring you to Castanes Deposition 18 Exhibit 96, is that Drawing No. 139043D, Revision 07 19 A
Yes.
Q Please identify it.
20 A
NSS primary panel outline dimensions.
Q Referring you to Castanes Deposition Exhibit 97, is that Drawing No. 38298F, Revision 07 23 1892 255 -
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Please identify it.
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A Main control censole outljne and dimensions.
4 Q
Referring you to Castanes Deposition Exhibit 98, is that Drawing No. 222151F, Revision 0?
5 A
Yes.
6 Q
Please identify it.
7 A
NSS primary panel layout Jiagram.
8 Q
Referring you to Castanes Deposition 9
Exhibit 99, is that Drawing No. 139046D, Revision 07 10 A
Yes.
11 Q
Please identify it.
12 A
canel layout for option spent fuel system.
13 Q
Th se exhibits reflect the current status of the 205 control room design package?
A Yes.
15 MR. EDGAR:
Off the record.
16 (Discussion held off the record.)
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Q Mr. Castanes, during the 1973 work on 8.1 this control package, and actually it extended into 1974, is that correct?
3 A
Actually, it went as far as the latter part of 6
1975.
7 Q
Did you call in any outside experts other 8
than United Engineers in reviewing where you wanted 9
to go with your design and in respect, particularly, 10 to the man-machine interface human engineering kind 11 of area?
A Well, as far as calling someone in to look over yg the control room layout, no, we did not.
However, some of the CRT's displays were indeed 14 sent to, and I can't remember the girl's name, but she 15 worked on EPRI study with Lockheed, and these were 16 sent to her by our Research Division, and we did 17 receive some comments back, but as far as having anyone 18 into the facility for the explicit purpose of 19 reviewing the CRT displays and layouts of the console, 20 Q
What kind of comments did she make?
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A I do not recall.
Q Was it a detailed review of the CRT's?
23 A
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Q But other than her review, to your knowl-4 edge, there has not been specific consulation with people outside of B&W with respect to the control room
,a design, at least insofar as it relates to the human engineering side of it?
7 A
Not to my knowledge, and when I say, not to my 8
knowledge, that is because of the fact that our 9
Research Division may have done something without my 10 knowledge about it.
11 Q
Other than the regulatory guides which you 12 indicated had come into effect, by the time you started w rking on this package in 1973 were there 13 other NRC standards that you were required to meet in your design work?
A Standards from the standpoint of console or 16 console layout you are referring to?
17 Q
Console layout?
18 A
To my knowledge, there are no requirements or 19 Reg. guides for connole layout.
The Reg. guides we 20 get are more in line with the relationship between the 1E equipment, the environment, the separation 31 x-criteria, signals.
I don't know of any requirements 7' ',
18. 258 or Reg. guides with regard to layout.
23 Q
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in an emergency setting?
4 A
Yes, we did look at that.
Q And the op era to r 's capacity to absorb it O
and make sense of it, did you look at that?
O A
Yes.
Well, we did this from the standpoint of 7
using the mockup and the simulator; in o+aer words, 8
we did not build a live model have not built a 9
live 205 model or simulator.
10 Now, WPPss presently is building a simulator for 11 the 205 plant, but to my knowledge it is not complete 12 yet.
13 Q
Am I rrect in understanding that on a reactor trip there may be hundreds of alarms which sound almost simultaneously immediately after the trip?
16 A
There is a large number.
I don't know if it is 17 hundreds.
18 Q
What account has the design of control 19 rooms taken for the capacity an operator to sort oat 20 those alarms which are meaningful from those which are not meaningful?
o1 A
We use various techniques for doing that.
One sz method, of course, is to provide the operator with, more or lesa a general alarm which tells him he h,as got a spe:ific alarm in a system, and f o.t ' t h e more b
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specific data he goes to the CRT displays to find out 4
which are the specific alarms.
Another thing we do is that on the actual CRT a
displays, for instance, regardless of which one he calls up, if that point is on an alarm on the display 7
it will indicate by the color that it is an alarm 8
by virtue of the fact that we are status so we use 9
using general alarms on the windows which tends to 10 minimize the number of bells and whistles that go off 11 and the use of the computer displays for determining 12 the specific alarm, and that is the method that we 13
- "81^9 t d*Y-Q With reference to the Three Mile Island 2 control room, in your mind is th e :. e any logic to having a potential for several hundred or let us even 16 say 100 alarms sounding in the space of a second?
17 A
I am not that familiar with the Three Mile 18 Island 2 control room.
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But conceptually, is there any logic for 20 that kind of a system with respect to whether the 31 operator can interpret that much information in that short period of time?
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A If you are asking me, is it possible for an operator to be able to absorb hundreds of alarms 24 going off in a period of a time, the answer is no, 23 I892-260 BENJAMIN R EPO RTING S ERVICE
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but let me carry through here because during the trip 4
condition the operator knows he is going to get certain alarms and those he looks for immediately, and o
so the number does get narrowed down pretty rapidly because he is familiar enough with, you know, various 7
training programs that he has had to know which ones 8
are going to go off for sure.
9 Q
Why alarm all of them with buzzers and 10 bells?
11 A
well, the purpose of an alarm is to alert the 12 operator to the fact that he has an abnormal condition and it is a little difficult, for instance, to imple-13 ment a system where it distinguishes between when the alarm is a nuisance alarm or when it is a real alarm.
15 During a turbine trip condition or reactor trip 16 condition, it would be very difficult to say when a 17 turbine trip occurs, ignore these alarms but only pay 18 attention to these alarms because the problem may 19 really exist in one of these alarms that you are 20 ignoring.
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D n't y u run int the situati n where you 3
9.1 have a tremendous number of alarms in a very short 4
i period of time, that you ignore all of them because 5
you don't have time to figure out which ones are 6
important?
7 A
I really couldn't speak to that.
O Q
Have you heard anyone address that issue 9
in terms of anyone asking the question?
10 A
Yes, I have heard it discussed quite a bit as to whether or not operators really pay attention to all 11 of the alarms, and I guess my feeling has always been that the operator should pay attention to all of his alarms.
Personally, it has beu. my position for quite 14 some time.
I don't believe any alarm should be 15 ignored.
16 Q
Have you been aware of a review of the II logic or the method in which the alarms are structured 18 or prioriti=ed to see which ones should be presented 19 in one fashion and which ones should be presentec in an ther, and what system may be most effective in an 20 emergency kind of situation?
A Yes, I am familiar with the work that has been oo done in that a Once again, EPRI has done some 23 work in that area and, you know, they are still working 24 on it.
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=y knowledge, I don't think anyone has come 34 out firm yet.
4 Q
How about anyone else?
o A
I have heard various claims being made by 6
companies; for instance, they say they have alarm-7 initiated displays that when an alarm goes off they 8
pull a particular display up.
I have not actually 9
seen any of those, and quite frankly, I have doubts 10 about that type of display system.
11 Q
What are your doubts?
13 My doubts are that during a plant upset condi-A tion, and let's take, once again, a turbine trip, you are going to get many alarms going off, as you have 14 indicated, but if he s tarted bringing forth displays 15 based on that condition then he is pre-determining 16 what it is that caused the trip -- somebody has 17 pre-determined it because the computer can do no more 18 than what it is instructed to do, and it is possible, 19 in my mind, to pull forth the wrong displays through this automatic mode.
I just haven't seen enough work 20 done in that area.
g Q
Do you have any particular view of the system which uses a single silencer to silence all 23 alarms that are pending at any particular moment and 2.s I892, c6' to acknowledge them?
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A You say, do I have any views with regard to that?
4 Q
Yes.
A I guess that is the most common one used, and I
-a guess I really don't have any strong feelings one way or the other whether that is good or bad.
7 Q
What is your personal view?
8 A
My personal view is, of course, it did come up 9
in the aerospace industry where they like to see 10 different types of alarms for different alarm condi-11 tions.
12 Q
What kind of different types could be used, 13 in your opinion?
A In my opinion,,you could indeed use different tones, for instance, different types of noise for l a, different alarm conditions.
There are some alarms 16 that do come on that are not as critical as others, 17 and by the use of different tones and by the use of 18 different colors of enunciators you can handle some 19 of those, but once again though if you get back to the 20 actual single button acknowledgement, my preference is 31 for the single button acknowledge of alarms because I don't think it would be beneficial or more efficient s_
n to be searching out which button to push to acknowl-edge this one.
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you may be acknowleding 50 alarms with a single 4
button, that not only, as I understand it, stops the alarm itself, the audio alert, but it also stops the a
light on the indicator or board from flashing, is that right?
7 A
That's correct.
8 Q
Let us say he started with 100 alarms and 9
just acknowledged 54, that does present some problems, 10 does it not, with respect to his knowing which ones 11 he has just acknowledged?
12 A
Not near as much problems as it would be if he were sitting there hitting it 50 times.
13 Q
But going back to the fundamental question, how is that person going to know which alarms he just acknowledged?
16 A
As I indicated before, right now he has two ways 17 of doing thats number one, the window that ws at off by 18 generalizing the alarms, and you have grouped the 19 alarms and he knows what problem area to look into, 20 and he also has the CRT display which points out he 21 has alarm conditions and can call up the alarms, and we have an alarm printer CRT and lists on it the alarms in the order it occurred and the P&ID, Process and Instrumentation Drawing, and you can look right 24 away and tell the parameters of which alarms and which 25 SERV,1fh92, 265
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are in an alarm condition.
4 Q
If the effect of an emergency condition where a great number of alarms are going of f at once o
is largely to give the operator a generalized indica-tion o f what the problem is. why isn't the alarm 7
system structured that way?
o A
our alarm system is structed that way on our 9
205.
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Could you tell me briefly what the differ-11 ences are between the 205 alarm system and what you 12 understand to be the Three Mile Island 2 type alarm 13 878***?
A I am not familiar with the Three Mile Island 2 alarm system.
15 MR. GALLEN:
If you would clarify, is this 16 the alarm system for the entire TMI 2 plant you 17 are referring to, or is this the alarm system 18 for the NSSS?
19 MR. ROCKWELL:
The scope of supply NSSS.
20 A
on the NSSS, as I recall, there are a large 31 number of windows for each alarm; some of them are i.
generalized in groups.
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ICS is in track and the audio stations are in the 23 manual mode which says that the ICS is in track and 24 there are others that ar"
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few, as I understand.
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What you are saying is that you do not have
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5 any personal familiarity with it?
A With the Three Mile Island 2,
no.
I can talk to you in general terms with respect to some of the plants e
I have seen where they have individual enunciator 8
windows with every possible alarm, which they creates 9
an awful lot of windows, and I do know that tends to 10 confuse the operator when a large number go off.
11 You have to bear in mind also once again when you 12 start talking alarm philosophy and enunciator windows, 13 y u get back into the customer preference.
As an example, I have seen WPPSS' contract and I don't know what the final number of windows are.
We started off 15 at 250 for the whole plant and it has grown from there, 16 and I don't know how many it has grown to and I am not 17 sure even if it up to 1500, but it is typical in the 18 nuclear power plant.
19 Q
What is your view of the role which you 20 have described that the utilities take in arriving at 21 the final control room design in terms of their 2.
preference and their desires?
Are they getting into 3
. an area where they are not qualified to make decisions?
A No.
I feel they are qualified to make decisions.
24 After all, the utility, it is their plant,-number,one',
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and they have operated other plants; they are more 4
familiar with their operators than we are.
I do feel, however, though that it takes a a
combined effort between NSSS scope of supply and the 6
utility and the AE to actually design a control room.
7 As I have indicated before most of our customers do 8
very little changing of the actual layouts that we 9
supplf them.
They may change pref erences for switches 10 or preferences for indicators or preferences for 11 alarms, but as far as the organization and layout, it 12 is very seldom ever changed.
MR. GALLEN:
That is with respect to the 13 overall control room layout or just the scope of supply?
15 THE WITNESS:
Just the scope of supply.
16 Q
I take it the NRC has really nothing to 17 say about the layout of the panels designed by you?
18 A
Not to my knowledge.
19 Q
Mr. Castanes, have you made any statements 20 since the accident at Three Mile Island which cover 31 any knowledge or understanding that you may have of Us the events at Three Mile Island, and by a statement, I mean anything that has been reduced to writing, 23 either something you have written yourself or some 24 interview that you may have given-which would,have.been e
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reduced to writing, for instance, with the NRC?
4 A
You mean, with regard to the sequence of events that occurred at Three Mile Island?
3 Q
With regard to any information or knowledge that you have had relating to Three Mile Island.
7 A
I have not given any testimony nor have I written 8
anything with regard to the accident at Three Mile 9
Island.
I was involved in recovery work at Three Mile 10 Island.
11 Q
The question goes only to things that 12 ultimately were reduced to writing, either which you wr te y urself or somebody o'se took down as a tran-13 script of what you said, s
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May.I go off the record?
15 Q
Yes.
16 (Discussion held off the record.)
17 A
The answer to your question is, no, I haven't.
IO Q
Briefly, would you, Mr. C astane s, describe 19 to me what your role in the TMI 2 recovery effort was.
20 A
well, during the TMI 2 recovery program there was 3}
a'three-shift operation for supporting Three Mile ku Island.
Our role was to evaluate the instrumentation, the status of the instrumentation, calculate accuracies 23 based on the environment, the condition of the environ-24 ment that the equipment w e.s being exposed to, and 25 BENJAMIN R EPO RTIN G SERVICE
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trying to predict how much longer the instrumentation 4
was going to last.
We also prepared procedures for the site to install alterna te instrumentation and to 5
expand the range on some instrumentation from the T
measurement; we provided the site instructions to sat expand the range on it, and that was the role that we 8
were playing during the Three Mile Island 2 recovery, 9
or I was.
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Going back over your work at Babcock
& Wilcox, have you ever been involved in the decisions 4
as to how to instrument the PORV in the sense of 5,
showing its position?
6 A
We have been involved here recently, or I have.
Q I mean before the accident at Three Mile 8
Island.
9 A
No, I was not involved in that.
10 Q
Have you ever had any exposure to a question or to a change that was made in the gauge which shows the pressurizer level narrowir.g the window shown by the gauge?
13 A
No, I have no knowledge of that.
14 Q
You indicated earlier that you had created an operating graph for pressurizer level as 16 part of your standard design.
Did that graph have 17 a description as to how you set it up and what the 1 bib 2 271 ig numbers were?
A In that particular graph, it is used during 79 plant startup, and that is really its only usefulness, during the plant startup, that particular one.
21 Q
It is not applicable to plant operation?
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A By " plant operation," you mean at full power?
"3 Q
Yes.
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which would tell him what the actual level is within 4
the pressurizert for instance, on the process and 5
instrumentation drawing, we would tell him on there what the lev el is in the pressurizer.
This particular 6
graph is used as part of the startup procedure.
.t Q
Do you have a written presentation of 8
what that graph is, or a description of what the 9
parameters for the display are?
10 A
Yes, as a matter of fact it would be covered 11 in that paper, I believe.
I think you have a copy 12 of that.
13 Q
What I would like to request is the 14 paper, but I would like, if there is a specific description of how that graph was formulated and l a.
what its limits are and whatever parameters were 16 involved in structuring the display, to have that 17 e
information quite specifically.
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I am not sure I understand that.
19 Q
In other words, you have something which 20 controls what it is that is displayed, is that right?
21 Is it a computer software?
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A No, it is feedback from an operator action.
It 7
does not sit there and tell the operator'that you must increase your pressurizer level to this point.
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and it moves a curser based on that, and then the 4
operator has to take an action to actually increase or decrease the level.
.a Q
Does the graph show limits, which is what operating graphs do, generally?
7 A
Not on that particular one.
This particular 8
graph is used for startup operation, and what we have 9
on there is basically an XY coordinate plot, and 10 then a plot that tells the operator to maintain his 11 curser on this graph on this line during startup.
13 Q
The graph shows the XY plot?
A It de nt have limits on it, but it does 3
show that.
14 Q
Could we get a copy of that graph with 15 the XY plot and whateverinstructions would "be given to 16 the operator for the use of it.
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18 Q
Mr. Castanes, we are going to recess your 19 deposition at this time, subject to further recall, 20 should we need to ask you additional questions.
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do, we will let you know.
(Whereupon, at 10:20, the within 2) deposition was recessed.)
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MR. ROCKWELL:
Let the record reflect that 3
Mr. Castanes has expressed a concern that per-4 haps a clarification should be made of part of his testimony this morning.
Do you want to a
make that clarification?
6 MR. GALLEN:
Yes.
Mr. Castanes has 7
indicated that the operating graph with respect 8
to the pressurizer level startup procedure did 9
not indicate a high or low limit, when in fact 10 he had re-checked his records and realized that 11 the startup procedure does involve a lower 13 limit for pressurizer level.
MR. ROCKWELL:
Let that clarification 13 become a part of the record of the Castanes deposition.
15 16 John Angelo Castanes 1 4 Subscribed and sworn to 18 before me this_,,, day f
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9 87 Drawing 38297F, Revision 0,
28 10 center and wedge base module console layout drawing 11 88 Drawing 222150F, Revision 0, 28 13 Left and right base module con-trol layout drawing 13 89 Drawing 222154E, Revision 0,
28 Panel layout for option chemical 14 addition and boron recovery system 15 90 Drawing 222152E, Revision 0,
28 ESF panel layout drawing 16 91 Drawing 139050D, Revision 0,
28 Panel layout for option chemical 77 sampling system 18 92 Drawing No. 139051D, Revision 0,
28 Panel layout for option reactor 19 building spray system "O
93 Drawing 139048D, Revision 0,
26 89,.2.275-1 Panel layout for option reactor building cooling system gy 94 Drawing 139049D, Revision 0,
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07 Drawing 38298F, Revision 0, 28 10 Main control console outline dimensions 11 98 Drawing 222151F, Revision 0,
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STATE OF NEW YORK
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Reporter, and ROBERT ZERKIN, Notaries Public of 6
the State of New York, do hereby certify that 7
the foregoing deposition of BABCOCK & WILCOX 8
by JOHN ANGELO CASTANES was taken before us 9
on the 6th day of July 1979.
10 The said witness was duly sworn before the 11 commencement of his testimony.
The said testi-13 mony was taken stenographically by ourselves
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15 We are not related by blood or marriage to 16 any of the said parties nor interested directly 17 or indirectly in the matter in controversy, nor 18 are we in the employ of any of the counsel.
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