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Transcript of Public Meeting to Present to the Local Public the Status of the Nrc'S Oversight Panel Activities for the Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Station
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Issue date: 05/06/2003
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2 PUBLIC MEETING 3 Between U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission 0350 Panel and FirstEnergy Nuclear Operating Company 4

5 Meeting held on Tuesday, May 6, 2003, at 6 7:00 p.m. at Camp Perry, Clubhouse #600, Oak Harbor, Ohio, taken by me, Marlene S. Rogers-Lewis, Stenotype 7 Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Ohio.

8 9

10 PANEL MEMBERS PRESENT:

11 U.S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 12 John (Jack Grobe), Chairman for 0350 Panel Davis-Besse facility 13 David Passehl, Project Engineer, Assistant to 14 Branch Chief 15 Brian Sheron, Associate Director for Project Licensing and Technical Analysis 16 John Zwolinski, Director of Licensing and Project 17 Management 18 William Ruland, Vice Chairman, MC 0350 Panel 19 Jon Hopkins, Project Manager - Davis-Besse 20 Scott Thomas, Senior Resident Inspector 21 22 23 24 25 MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

2 1 MR. PASSEHL: Okay, were ready to 2 get started. Welcome everybody to tonights 3 meeting. Welcome to members of the public. Im 4 David Passehl, a project engineer and assistant to 5 the branch chief, Christine Lipa, who is responsible 6 for the NRCs inspection program at Davis-Besse.

7 Christine cannot be here tonight due to other 8 commitments.

9 We had a business meeting during the day and 10 the purpose of tonights meeting is to inform members 11 of the public of what we discussed during the 12 business meeting and then to give an opportunity for 13 you to ask questions and provide comments to us.

14 Before we get started, I want to mention 15 there are copies of the May edition of our monthly 16 newsletter and copies of the slides from todays 17 meeting in the foyer. The newsletter provides 18 background information and also discusses current 19 plans in NRC utilities. We also have a public 20 meeting feedback form which we use to get feedback 21 from people to let us know aspects of the meeting 22 that we can improve on. Copies of those forms are 23 also available in the foyer.

24 Were having the meeting transcribed today by 25 Marlene Lewis to maintain a record of this meeting.

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3 1 The transcription will be available on our web page, 2 and usually we have those available in about three to 3 four weeks.

4 What Id like to do now is start off with 5 some introduction of the NRC staff that are here 6 tonight. Jack Grobe, standing over here --

7 MR. GROBE: (Indicating ).

8 MR. PASSEHL: -- is the a Senior 9 Manager of in the Region III office in Lisle, Illinois.

10 Hes the Chairman of the Davis-Besse Oversight Panel.

11 Dr. Brian Sheron to my left --

12 DR. SHERON: (Indicating).

13 MR. PASSEHL: -- is the Associate 14 Director for Project Licensing and Technical Analysis 15 in our headquarters office, and Brian provides 16 overall project management related to licensing 17 activities associated with power reactors, and he 18 provides management directions of technical 19 evaluations and assessment of technical issues.

20 To his left is John Zwolinski.

21 MR. ZWOLINSKI: (Indicating).

22 MR. PASSEHL: John is the Director 23 of the Division of Licensing Project Management.

24 His division implements the policy, program and 25 activities including coordinating licensing and MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

4 1 technical reviews associated with the overall safety 2 and environmental project management for individual 3 power reactors located in the regions.

4 Bill Ruland is a Senior Manager.

5 MR. RULAND: (Indicating).

6 MR. PASSEHL: And hes the Vice 7 Chairman of the Oversight Panel. Bills position is 8 the Director, Project Director at Directorate III and in the 9 Division of Licensing Project Management.

10 Jon Hopkins to my far left is the NRR Project 11 Manager for Davis-Besse.

12 MR. HOPKINS: (Indicating).

13 Scott Thomas to my right is the Senior 14 Resident Inspector.

15 MR. THOMAS: (Indicating).

16 MR. PASSEHL: And I believe we have 17 some other NRC staff here. Doug Simpkins, are you 18 here?

19 MR. SIMPKINS: (Indicating).

20 MR. PASSEHL: Doug is the Resident 21 Inspector at Davis-Besse, and also I believe 22 somewhere here we have our Office Assistant, Nancy 23 Keller.

24 Our Public Affairs person for the region is 25 Viktoria Mitlyng --

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5 1 MS. MITLYNG: (Indicating).

2 MR. PASSEHL: -- who just raised her 3 hand. Also, we have Margie Kosales, who is a 4 Technical Assistant to Dr. Sheron, who is here with 5 us today; as is Ho Nieh.

6 MR. NIEH: (Indicating).

7 MR. PASSEHL: He is a Regional 8 Coordinator in the Executive Directors office in our 9 headquarters office.

10 I wanted to present a summary of what we 11 discussed during the business portion of the meeting, 12 and then well go ahead and turn it over to the 13 public for comments and questions.

14 This mornings meeting -- or this afternoon 15 meeting, Lew Myers started the meeting and mentioned 16 some management actions that they had taken, some 17 management changes they made to strengthen their 18 executive and nuclear site teams. He specifically 19 mentioned Fred von Ahn, who is their new Vice 20 President of Oversight, and a man named Mark Bezilla, 21 whos the Vice President and also Plant Manager at 22 Davis-Besse, and they discussed some of their 23 background, which was quite extensive.

24 Next, Mike Stevens discussed their Restart 25 Test Plan. Mike is the Director of Maintenance.

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6 1 They discussed their Primary System Readiness and 2 their Secondary System Readiness. Regarding their 3 Primary System Readiness, he mentioned that they are 4 currently performing a detailed inspection of their 5 primary coolant system of nitrogen over pressure of 6 50 pounds and that at the near term, they intend 7 to -- intend to perform a 250 pound walkdown of this 8 system and also a full pressure walkdown of 2,155 9 pounds.

10 Regarding Secondary System Readiness, he 11 mentioned that they were placing secondary plant 12 components in service as they are required and as 13 plant conditions present themselves, and these main 14 systems are main steam system. Theyre condensate 15 system, feedwater system and theyre the auxiliary 16 feedwater system.

17 Mike Ross is the Plant Restart Director, and 18 he discussed some Challenges to Their Restart Test 19 Plan and Plant Restart. He mentioned that they have 20 an issues management support center that they have 21 established in their auxiliary -- or offsite 22 building, their DBAB -- I forget what that acronym 23 stands for, for the administration building. He 24 also displayed some statistics and charts that show 25 they have approximately 1,172 Mode 4 restraints, and MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

7 1 Mode 4 means that the primary system temperature is 2 between 200 and 280 degrees Fahrenheit. He 3 discussed some of the challenges to reaching that 4 plateau or that milestone of Mode 4. Three key 5 issues being their high pressure injection pump, 6 hydrostatic bearing issue for which a licensee 7 submittal is in progress. Their safety features 8 actuation system relay replacement activities and 9 their electrical transient analysis program.

10 FENOCs contractor, Framatone and MPR, an 11 engineering company, discussed the replacement option 12 for their high pressure injection pumps, and they 13 discussed their modification option, and they went 14 into some detail on what that entails.

15 Mark Bezilla, the Vice President and Plant 16 Manager, as I mentioned, discussed restart Operations 17 Readiness for restart, and specifically mentioned 18 some accomplishments that operations had achieved.

19 He mentioned that there are some industry feedback 20 from the INPO organization. They had Operations 21 Assessments by Management, Personnel From Other 22 Plants, and also from their Company Nuclear Review 23 Board, and there is some -- as you can see from the 24 slides on their Pages 33 and 34 it lays out some of 25 the feedback they got back from each of those groups.

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8 1 Next, Fred von Ahn, the Vice President of 2 FENOC Oversight, provided some discussions on their 3 Quality Assessment Overview. He discussed some 4 things that operations was doing regarding leadership 5 and explained a little bit about their Corrective 6 Action and Condition Reporting Process and how 7 theyre starting a trend, groups of condition reports 8 and problems to try to discern a trend and identify 9 problems and fix those.

10 Lew Myers then -- their chief operating 11 officer, discussed Safety Conscious Work Environment 12 and the key message from there was that workers 13 recognized responsibility to raise nuclear safety and 14 quality issues, that workers feel free to raise 15 nuclear safety and quality concerns without fear of 16 retaliation. There are some pockets of negative 17 perceptions in RP and Chemistry, Maintenance and 18 Engineering, and that contractors have a more 19 negative overall perception than FENOC employees.

20 Lew mentioned that they were taking action to address 21 that.

22 Next, Randy Fast is their Director of 23 Organizational Development, discussed their 24 containment and containment closeout activities. He 25 mentioned there are several areas that they are ready MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

9 1 for the next milestone, which is Mode 4, including 2 their Emergency Sump, Containment Coatings, their 3 Integrity of the Fuel, Environmentally Qualified 4 Equipment, Boric Acid Inspections, and he also 5 mentioned there are some areas where they are not 6 quite ready, but they are making progress, including 7 sealing conduits in their Decay Heat Valve Tank and 8 performing some balance testing in their Containment 9 Air Coolers and others.

10 Finally, Lew Myers provided closing comments 11 where we reiterated that they have made good progress 12 to date. They continue to focus on Mode 4. He 13 stressed that they intend to achieve and sustain, 14 improve performance in each and every one of their 15 building blocks that they developed toward restart.

16 And with that, I would like to turn it over 17 to Jack for questions and comments from members of 18 the public.

19 MR. GROBE: Great! Thanks, Dave.

20 Before we get started, I want to take a 21 minute and recognize one of our NRC family that is 22 leaving us. Stand up, Doug.

23 MR. SIMPKINS: (Indicating).

24 MR. GROBE: Doug Simpkins and his 25 wife, Lisa, and their five children are going to be MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

10 1 leaving for Georgia. I dont know quite why he 2 wants to go to Georgia, but hes leaving for Georgia.

3 Doug has gotten closure, hes going to be Senior 4 Resident Inspector at a plant called Plant Hatch, 5 which is in Georgia, and hes been an extremely 6 valuable member of the NRC team here at Davis-Besse 7 for the past four years, brought not only a 8 tremendous amount of knowledge and experience to the 9 job, but also dedication to public health and safety 10 that is second to none, and were going to miss him 11 from that standpoint, but, also, Doug is a 12 significant contributor to the community. I dont 13 have my notes in front of me, but the list is very 14 long. He held leadership capacity here at Camp Perry 15 for youth rifle programs, as well as starting a youth 16 rifle program in Ottawa County -- or, excuse me, Oak 17 Harbor, coach and assistant coach of several sports, 18 leader at his church. Hes been a valuable member 19 of the community, too, so I just wanted to take a 20 minute to recognize his contribution not only to 21 safety at Davis-Besse and to the NRC, but also to the 22 community and wish him luck.

23 THEREUPON, the audience applauded.

24 MR. GROBE: At this time, wed 25 like to open the floor for public questions and MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

11 1 comments. First, Id like to recognize any local 2 officials or representatives, local officials that 3 would like to make any statements or comments or ask 4 any questions.

5 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE).

6 MR. GROBE: Well, theyre both 7 shaking their heads no. Okay, well, I open the 8 floor up for any questions or comments.

9 MR. WHITCOMB: Good evening, 10 gentlemen. My name is Howard Whitcomb. A special 11 welcome to Mr. Zwolinski and Mr. Sheron to Ottawa 12 County. A year ago -- almost to the day, I stood in 13 the Junior High School in Oak Harbor and I made the 14 following -- or raised the following concerns 15 regarding Davis-Besse.

16 Following the loss of auxiliary and main 17 feedwater event on June 9th, 1985, Harold Denton, 18 then the Director of NRR, issued some findings to Mr.

19 Williams who was, at the time, the Vice President of 20 Nuclear for Toledo Edison Company. The NRC had 21 conducted an investigation into the root cause of why 22 the June 9th event occurred and cited in brief form 23 were the following.

24 The investigation concluded that the 25 underlying causes of this event were:

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12 1 1. The lack of attention to detail in the 2 care of plant equipment.

3 2. A history of performing trouble-shooting 4 maintenance and testing of equipment and of 5 evaluating operating experience related to equipment 6 in a superficial manner, and, as a result, the root 7 causes of problems were not always found and 8 corrected.

9 3. The engineering design and analysis 10 efforts to address equipment problems was frequently 11 either not utilized or was not effective, and, 12 finally, the equipment problems were not aggressively 13 addressed and resolved.

14 Clearly, upon finding the degraded reactor 15 vessel head a year ago, I would argue that these same 16 findings would apply, and I believe the root cause 17 that was determined would include a lot of those same 18 sorts of problems. Now, a year later, weve heard 19 the efforts of FirstEnergy. My concern still is 20 this:

21 Does the NRC plan to assess the adequacy of 22 the cultural changes that have occurred at 23 Davis-Besse, and how do they plan to do that 24 assessment, if theyre going to do that assessment, 25 in a way that will assure to the public that the type MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

13 1 of equipment failures that keep cropping up at this 2 facility will not occur in the future?

3 MR. GROBE: I appreciate your 4 question there. You have some question, and theres 5 been other plants that in my experience based on 6 Region III that have had what I call cyclic 7 performance, and a plant that experiences cyclic 8 performance hasnt truly corrected the root cause.

9 The company, FirstEnergy, has come a long way in the 10 last year. One of the issues that was clearly 11 articulated was that the root cause -- the 12 significant root cause of what happened at 13 Davis-Besse had to do with cultural issues, and we 14 venture to say that those four items that you quoted 15 from letters gone -- in days in the past also had a 16 root cause of cultural issues.

17 Let me introduce Jay Persensky. Jay, stand 18 up. I want to introduce Dr. Jay Persensky.

19 DR. PERSENSKY: (Indicating).

20 MR. GROBE: Jay is one of the team 21 of seven experts that we have on site, have been on 22 site in past weeks, are on site again this week.

23 Its the team that we issued a press release 24 regarding what the scope of their responsibilities 25 are and little bios about each of the members of that MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

14 1 team. Their mission is to perform a number of 2 evaluations. Theyre to look at the external safety 3 culture assessment, to evaluate the methodology that 4 was used, the parameters that were looked at, the 5 techniques that were used to reduce the data to 6 conclusions and the approach for making 7 recommendations to develop confidence in that process 8 and provide feedback in areas that we feel are 9 appropriate.

10 In addition, theyre to assess the internal 11 tools that FirstEnergy is using to measure culture 12 and provide the same analyses of those internal 13 tools.

14 In addition, theyre to look at the long-term 15 plans FirstEnergy is developing, and we havent seen 16 those plans yet. Going forward, safety culture is 17 not something that is completely fixed in a short 18 period of time. Its something that takes years and 19 the challenge for the Oversight Panel is to evaluate 20 the results of the work that Jay and the other team 21 members are doing, results of all the various 22 inspections that were conducting, to evaluate at 23 what point in time the panel feels comfortable making 24 a recommendation to Jim Dire Dyer that the plant can be 25 safely restarted and operated. That certainly MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

15 1 doesnt mean that all of the cultural issues are 2 going to be resolved. As I mentioned, it takes 3 quite a period of time to bring those issues to 4 complete resolution, but thats the challenge that 5 this panel faces.

6 We plan on having two public meetings over 7 the next period of time. One will be conducted in 8 Chicago, but there will be access to that meeting 9 telephonically for those who wish to participate from 10 a distance. The focus of that meeting is going to 11 be to receive FirstEnergys results of their internal 12 and external assessments and to receive their 13 long-term plans and measurement techniques on how 14 they plan on going forward.

15 The other meeting is once our inspection team 16 completes their work, we will have a public exit 17 meeting to present the results of that inspection to 18 FirstEnergy, so its -- its a process that not only 19 encompasses the results of the inspection team thats 20 particularly looking at the safety culture area, but 21 also the integration of all of the other observations 22 that numerous inspectors have made over the last 12 23 months. The panel will pull all of that together 24 and make a judgment as to when they think the plan 25 the ready to restart.

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16 1 MR. WHITCOMB: Follow-up, I assume 2 the exit -- the NRC exit comes after the other public 3 meeting with FirstEnergy, or is there any order to 4 those? No planned order yet or --

5 MR. GROBE: Dont know yet. Both 6 of them are probably several weeks at least off, so 7 we havent put that much thought into scheduling 8 those.

9 MR. WHITCOMB: Okay. Second, does 10 the NRC have a yardstick or a benchmark upon which to 11 compare Davis-Besse to some other cultural --

12 culturally accepted organization that is out there?

13 MR. GROBE: Well, thats an 14 interesting question. There are many different 15 professionals in the United States that do these 16 kinds of assessments and assess safety culture.

17 Each one of them has a different approach, a 18 different set of parameters. The NRC has no 19 requirements in the area of safety culture, but we do 20 have requirements that plants address the root cause 21 of significant problems, such as those problems wont 22 recur, and, to that end, FirstEnergy is required by 23 NRC regulations to address the safety culture issues 24 at the plant. There are no defined regulations or 25 regulatory guidance addressing safety culture, but MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

17 1 there are a number of people who are expert in this 2 field, and we have brought together a team of seven 3 of them with very diverse backgrounds that are 4 performing this assessment and collegiately 5 developing their insights as to the adequacy of tools 6 that FirstEnergy is using.

7 MR. WHITCOMB: So this group is 8 essentially setting precedent?

9 MR. GROBE: No, I wouldnt say so, 10 and, Jay, for example, has been working in this field 11 for 25 years --

12 MR. WHITCOMB: Well --

13 MR. GROBE: -- and there are 14 International conferences on the subject every 15 year --

16 MR. WHITCOMB: -- are there any 17 other --

18 MR. GROBE: -- so this is not a 19 precedent setting activity.

20 MR. WHITCOMB: Are there any other 21 plants, though, that have the same trouble, cultural 22 activities, that Davis-Besse has had to the same 23 magnitude where youre bringing in a special team to 24 assess --

25 MR. GROBE: We dont compare one MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

18 1 plant to another plant. Davis-Besse clearly had 2 significant -- significant performance deficiencies 3 in their organization which allowed the safety focus 4 at the plant to atrophy over a number of years and 5 allowed the problems that occurred exist. Other 6 questions?

7 MR. WHITCOMB: Only, I still dont 8 feel comfortable that the public is going to have 9 some objective way of accepting the fact that they 10 have met at least a minimum requirement. You 11 havent set forth anything yet.

12 MR. GROBE: Well, again, what I 13 suggest you do is attend the meetings and after you 14 hear the results of our inspection and the results of 15 FirstEnergys presentations, if you still have 16 questions, ask them at that time, Howard.

17 MR. WHITCOMB: Thanks, Jack.

18 MR. GROBE: Okay, thank you.

19 Other questions?

20 (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE).

21 MR. GROBE: Let me make a couple 22 of comments then while were waiting for somebody 23 else to think of a question.

24 Over the last month, the NRC has closed out 25 seven of the Restart Checklist items. We have a MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

19 1 Restart Checklist that defines the specific 2 activities that need to be accomplished before the 3 NRC will consider a request to restart the plant.

4 The first of those items had to do with the root 5 cause of the technical aspects of the head 6 degradation, thats the cracking and corrosion, how 7 and why those things happened. The panel concluded 8 that the technical root cause was adequately 9 characterized in documents that we received from 10 FirstEnergy, and that issue will be closed out --

11 excuse me, in the next resident inspection report.

12 We also closed out six of the -- the only six 13 licensing issues we currently have on the books. As 14 Dave indicated a few minutes earlier, we may have 15 another licensing issue coming up regarding the high 16 pressure injections pumps, but all of the licensing 17 issues that have been submitted to us to date and all 18 of those having to do with the new head have been 19 adequately resolved.

20 In addition to that, we conducted two 21 inspections that have nearly brought to closure two 22 other issues. One concerned the ability to safely 23 shut down the plant in the event of a fire in various 24 areas of the plant. Fires are fairly normal, 25 industrial accidents at large industrial facilities, MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

20 1 at nuclear power plants. They take on a different 2 challenge because they could be damaging equipment 3 thats necessary to safely maintain the plant in a 4 safe condition. We completed that inspection and 5 only had one outstanding issue. The results of the 6 inspection were fairly positive. The outstanding 7 issue has to do with some thermohydraulic analyses of 8 post-fire shutdown conditions. Those analyses 9 werent yet completed, so well be back to address 10 that one issue, and then that specific checklist item 11 will be complete from an inspection perspective, 12 whether or not that inspection, that final 13 inspection, is adequate. Well have to wait and 14 see.

15 Another area had to do with the radiation 16 protection program. We held a public exit interview 17 a few weeks ago. I was going to try to remember the 18 date, but I dont remember exactly the date, where we 19 presented the results of a follow-up inspection to 20 the problems that resulted in workers getting 21 unnecessarily exposed to airborne radioactive 22 materials, and then eventually carried some of those 23 materials off site. The inspection was fairly 24 comprehensive and found that the company had made 25 significant progress in that area. Theres only one MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900

21 1 outstanding issue there, and well probably perform 2 one more week of inspection in the upcoming weeks.

3 That outstanding issue was one of the root causes of 4 the radiation protection problems was a lack of 5 consistent strong leadership in the radiation 6 protection department. Since that inspection --

7 actually about the same time as the inspection --

8 excuse me, the -- a new radiation protection manager 9 was assigned at the plant, and it seemed inconsistent 10 to be able to at that point say that that aspect of 11 the root cause was adequately addressed since a 12 brand-new individual had come on board, so were 13 going to focus some additional inspection -- that 14 inspection effort in the areas of radiation area 15 control, access control, radioactive materials 16 control in the plant, and work planning, and DOSE 17 planning, thats referred to as ALARA planning, over 18 the next several weeks, so thats the one aspect of 19 that area on the checklist thats still outstanding, 20 so theres been significant progress. We have nine 21 inspectors on site this week, most weeks are that 22 way. We will continue providing the necessary 23 inspection and oversight as we go forward to develop 24 confidence in each of these checklist areas.

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22 1 has a question or comment?

2 MR. HAWLEY: (Indicating).

3 MR. GROBE: Yes, sir.

4 MR. HAWLEY: Good evening. My 5 name is Chuck Hawley, and Im presently serving as 6 the Engineering Duty Manager at the Work Support 7 Center at Davis-Besse. Up until about seven years 8 ago I spent 14 years at Davis-Besse in various 9 capacities, and seven years ago I left to go to 10 Beaver Valley. About 10 months ago, Mr. Myers asked 11 me if I would come back out here and help with the 12 restart efforts, and I gladly did that. I brought 13 my family up here. I wouldnt bring my family back 14 here if I didnt think it was safe, and in the 15 current position Im in, I see the culture every day 16 at all levels whether its craft operators or 17 management that supports my opinion. I see good 18 condition reports. I see good questioning attitudes 19 at all levels, and I know we have the right 20 management team and the right individuals on staff to 21 restart this plant and to continue operating in a 22 safe manner. Thank you.

23 MR. GROBE: Thank you for your 24 comments.

25 THEREUPON, the audience applauded.

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23 1 MR. GROBE: Anyone else have a 2 question or comment?

3 MR. HARDER: (Indicating).

4 MR. GROBE: Yes, sir.

5 MR. HARDER: You need more paper, 6 were running out of room here.

7 (Laughter).

8 MR. HARDER: Good evening. My 9 name is Lynn Harder, and Im a Superintendent, 10 Radiation Protection Superintendent at Davis-Besse.

11 I have been there for 22 years. Had an opportunity 12 to tour Mr. Zwolinski and his team in our containment 13 today, and I had an opportunity to speak one time 14 before, and opportunity is a good thing, I think, 15 with respect to whenever youre invited to speak or 16 have an opportunity to speak whats on your mind you 17 need to do that, to tell people where you have been 18 and what you have done and to share the facts, so 19 when Mr. Zwolinskis team had an opportunity to go in 20 containment today, I wanted to make sure they saw it 21 from our perspective what weve done over the last 22 year, and, though I wasnt invited, we kind of 23 invited ourselves to make sure he saw it through our 24 eyes and through the work activities and efforts of 25 our team what we had to do this last year.

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24 1 I shared before when we had an opportunity to 2 speak here at Davis-Besse for myself, and I know 3 speaking for the rest of our team, many of us are not 4 proud where we came from with what happened, but we 5 are proud of the transformation weve made -- not 6 just the material condition of the plant, but also in 7 the culture and the teamwork and going forward 8 activities that faces us. I can speak for myself 9 and for the Radiation Protection Organization, we are 10 becoming one team. We have a ways to go as well as 11 Davis-Besse, but we are working diligently to work on 12 those issues, those areas and come together in our 13 relationship so we understand what happened to make 14 sure this doesnt happen again, so what I want to 15 leave you with is not just myself, but many of us at 16 Davis-Besse will bring it back to the safe and 17 efficient workplace it used to be, and we expect it 18 to be. Thank you.

19 THEREUPON, the audience applauded.

20 MR. GROBE: Thank you very much.

21 Any other questions or comments? Im supposed to 22 allow seven seconds.

23 (Laughter).

24 UNIDENTIFIED: Times up.

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25 1 right.

2 Our next meeting is going to be here at Camp 3 Perry, June 3rd. Well have an afternoon business 4 meeting with FirstEnergy and an evening meeting like 5 this, and, in addition to that, tomorrow afternoon we 6 have a meeting in the regional office to discuss 7 engineering issues at Davis-Besse.

8 If youre interested in participating in that 9 meeting, theres a number of telephone hookups that 10 are available, and you can participate 11 telephonically, or you can come to the lovely city of 12 Chicago and participate personally. Wed love to 13 see you there. If you need information on how to 14 get telephonically connected to that meeting, you can 15 talk to Vika Mitlyng, and she can help you out, so, 16 with that, were adjourned. Thank you very much.

17 18 19 THEREUPON, the hearing meeting was concluded.

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4 I, Marlene S. Rogers-Lewis, Stenotype Reporter 5 and Notary Public within and for the State aforesaid, duly commissioned and qualified, do hereby certify 6 that the foregoing, consisting of 25 pages, was taken by me in stenotype and was reduced to writing by me 7 by means of Computer-Aided Transcription; that the foregoing is a true and complete transcript of the 8 proceedings held in that room on the 6th day of May, 2003 before the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

9 I also further certify that I was present in the room during all of the proceedings.

10 11 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office at Wakeman, Ohio this day of 12 , 2003.

13 14 Marlene S. Rogers-Lewis 15 Notary Public 3922 Court Road 16 Wakeman, OH 44889 17 My commission expires 4/29/04 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 MARLENE S. ROGERS-LEWIS & ASSOC. REPORTERS (419) 929-0505 (888) 799-3900