ML24240A026
| ML24240A026 | |
| Person / Time | |
|---|---|
| Issue date: | 08/23/2023 |
| From: | Dante Johnson NRC/NSIR/DSO/SOSB |
| To: | Desiree Davis, Leelavathi Sreenivas Division of Security Operations, NRC/NSIR/DSO/SOSB |
| Johnson D | |
| Shared Package | |
| ML24233A176 | List: |
| References | |
| NSIR-24-0318, OEDO-24-00217 431UAP00006_redacted | |
| Download: ML24240A026 (10) | |
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From:
Daryl Johnson To:
Leelavathi Sreenivas; Desiree Davis (She/Her)
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question Date:
Wednesday, August 23, 2023 2:31:00 PM
- Leela,
Good afternoon. I made a change to the BLUF for this meeting. Please replace v2 with attached v3 on the meeting announcement in Microsoft Outlook. Thanks!
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch 11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02 Rockville, MD 20852 Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
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From: Daryl Johnson Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 3:48 PM To: Leelavathi Sreenivas <Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>; Desiree Davis (She/Her)
<Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Thank you so much!
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch 11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02 Rockville, MD 20852 Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
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From: Leelavathi Sreenivas <Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 3:43 PM To: Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>; Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Ok, Done!
From: Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 3:03 PM To: Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>; Leelavathi Sreenivas
<Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
- Leela,
Please attach this revised BLUF to the meeting invite regarding this topic. Thank you!
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch 11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02
Rockville, MD 20852 Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is private and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient of the transmission. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
From: Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 2:53 PM To: Leelavathi Sreenivas <Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>; Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Thank you to you both!
Desiree
From: Leelavathi Sreenivas <Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 2:52 PM To: Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>; Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Ok got it.
Thanks.
From: Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 2:52 PM To: Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>; Leelavathi Sreenivas
<Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
O.k. Leela, please ignore my request to add Phil Brochman at this meeting. Sorry for the confusion.
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch
11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02 Rockville, MD 20852 Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
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From: Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 2:49 PM To: Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>; Leelavathi Sreenivas <Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Hi Daryl,
Lets discuss internally before we open it to DPCP.
Desiree
From: Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 2:49 PM To: Leelavathi Sreenivas <Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>
Cc: Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Also, please add Phil Brochman to the Teams meeting invite. Thanks!
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch 11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02 Rockville, MD 20852
Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is private and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient of the transmission. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
From: Daryl Johnson Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 2:10 PM To: Leelavathi Sreenivas <Leelavathi.Sreenivas@nrc.gov>
Cc: Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Subject:
UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
- Leela,
Good afternoon. Could you please schedule a 30 minute Teams meeting between Tara, Sam, me, Desiree Davis and Mark McDonald for this week or next? Subject is UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question. Thanks for your assistance.
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch 11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02 Rockville, MD 20852 Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
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From: Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 6:53 PM To: Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Thank you, Daryl! Can you add this as a talking point for our briefing to Division management? Were you able to find a good time next week that works for Tara/Sam/Susan (2 of 3 is fine, too!).
Desiree
From: Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 1:49 PM To: Desiree Davis (She/Her) <Desiree.Davis@nrc.gov>
Subject:
FW: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
- Desiree,
FYI - Phil Brochmans response to any UAP impact to the EWR. Basically, theres no impact because Phil believe his current characterization of manned and unmanned covers UAPs. He did have some input and questions concerning possible rule making regarding the new federal UAP reporting laws applicability to the NRC (see below).
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch 11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02 Rockville, MD 20852 Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is private and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient of the transmission. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
From: Phil Brochman <Phil.Brochman@nrc.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 1:45 PM To: Greg Bowman <Gregory.Bowman@nrc.gov>; Leah Smith <leah.smith@nrc.gov>
Cc: Becca Lagios (She/Her) <rebecca.lagios@nrc.gov>; Tony Bowers <Anthony.Bowers@nrc.gov>;
Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
10-4. I have not added anything regarding NDAA reporting issues to the slides on DG-5082 (Rev 1 to RG 5.87). Pb
From: Greg Bowman <Gregory.Bowman@nrc.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 10:42 AM To: Phil Brochman <Phil.Brochman@nrc.gov>; Leah Smith <leah.smith@nrc.gov>
Cc: Becca Lagios (She/Her) <rebecca.lagios@nrc.gov>; Tony Bowers <Anthony.Bowers@nrc.gov>;
Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Lets stand down from doing any work on this for the time being. Im concerned about it serving as a distractor from the public meeting and RG updates. If we need to have a discussion about UFOs, lets wait until after the meeting next week. Im not supportive of us adding anything to the slides for the public meeting next week at this point.
Greg
From: Phil Brochman <Phil.Brochman@nrc.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 10:35 AM To: Greg Bowman <Gregory.Bowman@nrc.gov>; Leah Smith <leah.smith@nrc.gov>
Cc: Becca Lagios (She/Her) <rebecca.lagios@nrc.gov>; Tony Bowers <Anthony.Bowers@nrc.gov>;
Daryl Johnson <Daryl.Johnson@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
In the existing final rule under § 73.1215(d)(1)(iii) for reporting suspicious activity, we have included manned aerial activity, and unmanned aerial activity.
If by manned we mean crewed by humans, then unmanned could be interpreted as meaning either uncrewed or crewed by non-humans.
If so, we might argue that the current reg requires reporting of aerial phenom that will meet the NDAA.
In looking at Daryls slide on the NDAA language, I have two questions.
- 1. Does the description of what is reported under § 73.1215 today match what the NDAA wants.
- 1. Can the Commission exclude certain types of licensees from the group or other sites or facilities regulated by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in a rulemaking. Meaning does this NDAA language include all NRC licensees, e.g., RTR, NPUF, and byproduct licensees? Or can the Commission via rulemaking specify which licensees are not included. § 73.1215(d) includes RTRs. Also what about agreement state licensees, especially those subject to §
73.67?
Phil
From: Greg Bowman <Gregory.Bowman@nrc.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 2:47 PM To: Leah Smith <leah.smith@nrc.gov>; Phil Brochman <Phil.Brochman@nrc.gov>
Cc: Becca Lagios (She/Her) <rebecca.lagios@nrc.gov>; Tony Bowers <Anthony.Bowers@nrc.gov>
Subject:
RE: UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
Does the current rule require licensees to report UFOs? I think this goes without saying, but if its not explicitly required, using the RG to expand the scope of the rule is a non-starter.
Lets definitely talk before doing anything beyond what we currently have planned for the RGs (i.e., specifically addressing the known issues). I think trying to expand the scope has the potential to derail things.
Greg
From: Leah Smith <leah.smith@nrc.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2023 2:35 PM To: Phil Brochman <Phil.Brochman@nrc.gov>
Cc: Becca Lagios (She/Her) <rebecca.lagios@nrc.gov>; Greg Bowman <Gregory.Bowman@nrc.gov>;
Tony Bowers <Anthony.Bowers@nrc.gov>
Subject:
UAP/UFO Reporting Requirement and EWR Guidance - A question
BLUF: The NRC is now required to report the number of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs, also previously referred to as UFOs) at/around NRC-licensed facilities on an annual basis, per this years NDAA. DSO/SOSB believes there is a gap in our current guidance to licensees about suspicious activity reporting, because our previously issued IAT/SA guidance focuses on unmanned aerial systems (and not UAPs/UFOs). They are looking to address that gap.
Initially, DSO/SOSB intended to communicate this shift in guidance through a Security Advisory, which is how guidance regarding suspicious activity reporting has been communicated previously.
However, with the issuance of the Enhanced Weapons Rule this spring and the shift in suspicious activity reporting from a voluntary initiative to a regulatory requirement, I believe communicating this guidance would be better placed in the RGs (and - how convenient! - we are in the process of revising the RGs for the EWR).
My question to the team is: Is making this addition to include UAP/UFO reporting in the RGs at this time appropriate (and/or necessary), or should we pursue the plan that was initially proposed by DSO/SOSB, and issue a generic communication to this effect? This is basically another example of suspicious activities that should be reported per the rule.
Thoughts welcome.
Leah
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch 11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02 Rockville, MD 20852 Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
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From: Daryl Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 11:20 AM To: Linda Gersey <Linda.Gersey@nrc.gov>; Leah Smith <leah.smith@nrc.gov>
Subject:
Teams Call
Linda / Leah,
Good morning. Do you have time for a 5 to 10 minute Teams call about SID close out quarterly metrics? Need to brief you on an EDO request.
Daryl Johnson Senior Security Specialist U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Office of Nuclear Security & Incident Response Division of Security Operations Security Oversight and Support Branch 11545 Rockville Pike One White Flint North, 02C02
Rockville, MD 20852 Mailstop: OWFN, 02H10 (W) 301-287-3623 (C) 301-580-3088 (F) 301-287-9347 daryl.johnson@nrc.gov
The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is private and intended to be sent only to the stated recipient of the transmission. If you are not the intended recipient or the intended recipient's agent, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.