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Transcript of NRR 870604 Meeting W/Util in Decatur,Al Re Scope & Progress on Key Technical Programs & Status of Restart Issues for Facility.Related Info Encl.Pp 1-116

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NORTil ALABAMA REPORTING SERV 2CE ~ ( BROWNS FERRY NUCLEAR POWER PLANT NRC,- TVA CONFERENCE q I JUNE 4, 1987 1 / \\ '4 The following came on for hearing at Browns' Ferry Training Center Auditorium, on the 4th day of June, 1987, beginning at or about 1:00 p.m." i k DECATUR, AL AB AMA L ( 205) 350-2464 h.,

1 NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 2 i 1 PROCEEDINGS I 2 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Ready. 3 4 MR. S.A. WHITE: I would like to start ) 5 this portion of the meeting by just introducing the 6 site director, Mr. Pomrehn. i 7 8 MR. HUGO POMREHN: I would like to i 9 also welcome you here today and introduce you to the-10 Browns' -Ferry management team. You are going to see 11 some of the team here today. I'm going to go 12 through the organizational chart that we have for ( 13 our project. I wanted to also give you an overview 14 of our program for restart. You are very. familiar 15 with the supportive program now and I think we will 16 draw some parallels and get you very comfortable 17 with our overall program to restart Unit Two here. 18 We want to impenetrate two or three technical 19 programs to give you a flavor of the scope of some 20 of those issues. I've picked several programs-to do 21 that with which are kind of key, again paralleling. 22 and parlaying off of the Sequoyah activities that 23 you are more familiar with. And then I want to get { 24 to an overview of our restart status.- I think it's 25 very important to tie this management team and TVA DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

\\ \\ NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 3 1 and the NRC together on that status statement. I t 2 want to do that in four steps. First of all, Mike 3 May is going to give you an overview of the 4 operating history of Browns' Ferry and tell you a 5 little bit about our licensing basis. I'm going to 6 then cover the organizational structure and some of 7 our key management people. We're then going to talk 8 about three or four key, Volume Three of the Browns' 9 Ferry Nuclear Performance Plan, Volume Three 10 programs, briefly discuss the plant itself and Mr. 11 Lewis will talk about several things going on in the l 12 plant organization. Then, we're going to get into 13 the status of our restart efforts here at Browns' 14 Ferry. 15 So, Mike, I would like to turn the meeting I 16 over to you to give us a little bit of a foundation 17 to build upon from the operating experience and 18 licensing point of view. 19 20 MR. MIKE MAY: Thank you, Hugo. Good 21 afternoon. My name is Michael May. I'm manager of 22 licensing at Browns' Ferry. In the next few 23 minutes, I'm going to discuss with you a little bit ( 24 about what Browns' Ferry is, what our current 25 licensing status is and discuss a little bit about DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

MORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 4 1 Volume Three of our Nuclear Performance Plan which i 2 describes what TVA is doing to put Browns' Ferry 3 back into operation. Browns' Ferry consists of 4 three 1100 megawatts electric, BWR 4, Mark I 5 containment units. Construction permits were issued 6 in '67 and '68 and operating licenses came for the 7 first unit in December of '73, the last unit, Unit l 8 Three, in June of '76. Another important date is l 9 July first, 1972, when TVA committed to the 10 requirements of Appendix B, Tennessee Authority 50 l 11 Records Retention. This date is significant when j 12 one is reviewing the documentation generated during k 13 the design and construction phase at Browns' Ferry j i 14 and reflects directly on the efforts being expended 15 on design baseline and design calculation view 16 programs. Since the time of operating license, 17 considerable amount of operating experience has been 18 gained. Each of the units has had several refueling 19 cycles. Unit Two is presently in its fifth 20 refueling cycle, six when it restarts. Browns' 21 Ferry still remains one of this country's largest 22 nuclear generating stations. Since 1973 it has 23 produced nearly 150 million megawatt hours of ( 24 electrical energy. Next slide. 25 Since the time of Three Mile Island, a DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 5 1 number of major regulatory modification programs ( 2 have been conducted throughout the nuclear industry. 3 Some of those programs find their roots back here at 4 Browns' Ferry; for example, Appendix R, Fire 5 Protection trace back to the events of the fire in 6 1975 here. And the modifications to the SCRAM 7 discharge volume for BWR's can be traced back to the 8 event that occurred back here in 1980. Browns' 9 Ferry is still engaged in many of these regulatory j 10 modification programs. For example, the 11 modifications to the Mark I containment, and the 12 seismic issues coming out of bulletins 79-02 and 14. k 13 Browns' Ferry is pretty much involved with pipe 14 inspection and repair programs for intergranular 15 stress corrosion cracking mitigation and like 16 Sequoyah, we have a very extensive modification 17 program for environmental qualification equipment, 18 and we are making planned modifications for the ATWS 19 rule. 20 21 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Which ones of 22 those are not going to be in compliance with the 23 commissions' regulations or bulletins or whatever ( 24 there are prior to restart? 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 [

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING. SERVICE 6 1 MR. MICHAEL MAY: My next statement i 2 says, everything has changed now. We're going to ] 3 clear out a backlog of these regulations for a' 4 restart, but we do have an interim program and we i 5 use Restart criteria for 79-02 and 14, which is well-j 6-described in the Nuclear Performance Plan. 7 8 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: So Appendix R 9 would be in' total compliance with commissions' rules 10 prior to restart? ] 11 12 MR. MICHAEL MAY: That's right. k 13 14 .MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Total-compliance, 15 no exceptions? 16 ? 17 MR. MICHAEL MAY: There are 18 exceptions. 19 20 MR. S.A. WHITE: There are some ~i 21 deviations. i 22 '23 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: So the answer in. 1 ( 24 Appendix R will not be'in' total compliance? 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 7 1 MR. C. C. MASON: In comp?.iance as a i 2 result of our having submitted regrest for deviation 3 and -- 4 5 MR. S.A. WHITE: Limited, very limited 6 circumstances. 7 8 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: So there would be 9 be some exemptions for Appendix R? 10 11 MR. S.A. WHITE: NRC deviation. 12 k 13 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: How about the 14 SCRAM discharge exemptions? 15 16 MR. S.A. WHITE: I think.that's an 17 incorrect word. 18 19 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Deviations or 20 exemptions? 21 22 MR. MIKE MAY: The ruling calls for-23 exemption, so its right out of the book.. ( 24 25 MR. S.A. WHITE: Okay. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 1330-2464.

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 8 1 1 2 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: SCRAM discharge \\ 3 volume modification, that's going to be totally j 4 done? 5 J 6 MR. MICHAEL MAY: I think that's 7 complete. ] 8 9 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: That's complete. 10 No more work. 11 12 MR. HUGO POMREHN: By' restart. k 13 14 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Mark I containment I 15 modification. Is that the -. 16 17 MR. 3.A. WHITE: No. 1 j 18 19 MR. MICHAEL MAY: That's the old loads 20 problem. 21 22 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Is that done or 23 will that be done? 24 { 25 MR. MICHAEL MAY: That's finished. .i DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464-i

NORTH' ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 9 l 1 1 2 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: That's finished? 3 4 MR. S.A. WHITE: No, wait a minute -- j 5 Isn't Appendix J part of that? 6 j 7 MR. MICHAEL MAY: No, Appendix J comes ~ 8 under a.different category. That's not one of those ) 9 modifications. 10 11 MR. S.A. WHITE: Okay. But Appendix J 12 will also be completed? I 13 14 MR. MICHAEL MAY: That's right, 15 Appendix J will also be completed. I just chose 16 some of the major ones, not total population. 17 '18 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: No, just because 19 it's up there. Is it TVA's intent-to.do anything 20 about the Mark I containment concerning the 21 exploding up in Washington? 22 23 MR. S.A. WHITE: What is your _( 24 question? 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

I NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 10 1 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Is it TVA's intent 2 to apply new insurance regulations before the 3 restart at Browns' Ferry? 4 5 MR. S.A. WHITE: No. 6' 7 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: You want to pave 8 the way in the industry? 9 10 MR. S.A. WHITE: Of. course, two of the 11 five, one really doesn't apply; the other one 12 applies if you want to get into~ detail. The other k 13 three really are the owners of the group to come up 14 with what 15 16 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: I understand 17 Pilgrim committed to do it. 18 19 MR. S.A. WHITE: Well, yes, I 20 understand that. I've got a problem with that-21 because if I look at past circumstances when TVA has 22 launched into the forefront of correcting something 23 ahead of what I would consider a good thought and ( 24 engineering process it's turned out bad and a good. 25 case of what is flammastic after the fire in '75.. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

l \\ N7RTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 11 1 TVA said we'll step out'in front of this and we'll ( 2 do this thing right and, you know, this flammastic 3 error, that was a terrible mistake. I don't intend 4 to become party to the mistake that people who 5 follow me will have to suffer through. Until I'm 6 confident it's a.well engineered sclution for those 7 problems, those that apply and we have done, I'm not 8 about to step out and do those things, because -- 9 and-there are other examples which we will get into, 10 but we might design and resolve something that ends 11 up being incorrect. So I think you have to.be 12 careful. ( 13 14 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Well, I'll be 15 honest with you. I don't know enough about the 16 total effect, but as I came down on the plane last 17 night I just thinking about things and it would seem 18 seem that the outage that this plant has had -- ) 19 20 MR. S.A. WHITE: All'I canfsay is I've 21 given a lot of thought to those things,~in fact, so 22 much so that.last week I went to San Jose and sat 23 down for a day with General Electric to look at such { things as the Pilgrim solution, the'Swedish 24 25 solution, the French solution, other possible DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 12 1. solutions. I didn't get a warm fuzzy feeling that f 2 anybody was really right, so I tip my' hat to Pilgrim 3 if they want to go do that and hopefully it will'be 4 a satisfactory solution. I'm not convinced of that. 5 6 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay. What about 7 bulletin 79-02? Is that all done? 8 9 MR. MICHAEL MAY: No, we have an ] 10 interim program that will take us, considered an 11 alternate analysis, that will take us and insure the i 12 adequacy of the plant for restart with a longer ( 13 term, more elaborate and more. rigorous approach -- 14 15 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: How would you ] i 16 compare where you are in that effort with the rest j 1 17 of the industry? i 18 19 MR. MICHAEL MAY: Oh, I would have to 20 ask my engineering department. ) 21 l 22 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Can anybody answer 23 that question? 24 25 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: Jerry Chapman, DECATUR, - ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 i

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 13 1 deputy crisis engineer. We are probably a little ( 2 behind in implementation of 79-02 and 14. When 3 Units One and Three start up we will be in total 4 compliance with it. For Unit Two we are going to 5 start up for this cycle on the interim phase one 6 program and be in full compliance for the next 7 cycle. 8 9 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: All right. What 10 about 79-14? 11 12 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: The same. They.go i 13 together. 14 15 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: What is that? The 16 anchor bolt? 17 18 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: 02 is the anchor 19 bolt and 14 is the piping and the hanging. 20 21 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: That's the same 22 issue? 23 24 MR. JEERY CHAPMAN: Yes. k' 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 14 1 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: The pipe cracks -- .t; 2 3 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Done. 4 5-MR. J. G. KEPPLER: All right. The 6 . pipe cracks -.done' totally? As have you replaced 7-all the piping or just -- 8 9 MR. S.A. WHITE: Safe ends. 10 11 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay, EQ will be 12 in total compliance? ( .13 14 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: Yes, sir.- 15 16 MR. MICHAEL MAY: Absolutely. 17 18 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: .o exemptions? N 19 29 MR. HUGO POMREEN: None. The answer 21 on IGSCC is none also. We're in compliance on.that 22 program. 23 24 MR. J. G. KEPPLER. Okay. 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 16 1 at that time was in a normal refueling outage. Unit i 2 Three shut down over concerns with regard to 3 incorrect actions following a mishap with the water 4 level indication. TVA maintained all three units 5 shut down in order to have more time to study some l 6 of the programmatic problems that it had at the 7 time, such things as operating compliance, 8 regulatory modification compliance. The problem at 9 that time was compounded by difficulties at both I 10 Browns' Ferry and Sequoyah with the EQ programs as 11 well as employee concerns at Watts Bar. In 12 September, 1985, the Interstate sent TVA a request ( 13 for additional information under 50.54 F citing what 14 it called at that time deficiencies with management, 15 technical issues at all its units and required a 16 written response before restart. Later in 1985, TVA i 17 conducted several studies in order to understand the 18 cause of this problem and started to write a I 19 recovery plan. Early 1986, several key j 20 organizational personnel changes were made. With 21 Mr. White at the helm, a task force was formed at 22 Browns' Ferry in March of 1986. The task force 23 consisted of six individuals with varied and 24 extensive nuclear background reporting to site 25 director. Their task was to delve into all the i DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 i

1 NORTH ALABAMA REPpRTING SERVICE 15 I l 1 MR. MICHAEL MAY: That was -- really 2 we have a design proposal in front of the NRC now in 3 their review. 4 5 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: For ATWS? i 6 ] 7 MR. MICHAEL MAY: For ATWS. 8 ] 9 MR. J. G. KE PP:}ER: Okay. That's got 10 to be done before? ) 11 12 MR. C. C. MASON: Time frame specified ) i ( 13 by the regulations. d 14 .5 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay, go ahead. 1 16 17 MR. MICHAEL MAY: Something to help 18 the Court Reporter. And we need to talk up and we 19 need to identify ourselves so the transcript will 20 identify who has said what. Let's move on. We 21 quickly tell you something about the background or ] i 22 licensing status _and bring.us up to date. All three i I 23 units were shut down in March of 1985. Unit One was -l j 24 shut down when it was discovered that some 25 deficiencies with some testing was done. Unit Two DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 1

1 s NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 17 ( 1 issues to insure that the corrective action programs j k l 2 properly addressed the root causes and also were ~ 3 very active in writing a Nuclear Performance Plan in i 4 Volume Three. It was also the mission of the task 5 force to insure that a proper restart list was 6 generated. In the procens of going through all the 7 action, all the items, action items, commitments and i 8 recommendations it became clear to this group that 9 to make an evaluation of'which items had to be done 10 before restart and which could be done afterwards 3 11 that a consistent set of criteria was necessary. It 12 was thus in this atmosphere that a Restart Criteria-13 was formed. i 14 Volume Three was first issued to the NRC in i 15 August of last year. Since that time a number of 16 our programs have evolved from actions taken, from 17 actions to be taken to actions taken, as well as 18 additional experience learned at both Browns' Ferry 19 and Sequoyah. We have recently undergone a complete 20 update of Volume Three to insure that lessons 21 lea':ned are incorporated, program descriptions are 1 22 current, and answers given to us on original, rather 23 0 volume Three were incorporated. That review, 24 that, the Rev One is'now in corporate review and've-25 plan to get it-in your hands as soon as possible. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

j ) i NORTH ALABAMA. REPORTING SERVICE 18 s 1 2 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: We never did get 3 anything that dealt with Rev 0. 4 5 MR..C. C.. MASON: You have a copy of 6 it. 7 -8 MR. GERRY GEARS: Gerry Gears. Volume 9. One, Volume Three, Rev 0, the NRC reviewed and 10 responded by a set of questions which TVA is. 11 currently working on or combined, as I understand 12 it,.in a response that would be a. revised volume 13 Three, Revision One plus responses to questions. 14 j 15 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: So, there were -- 16 there was no approval on that. ) 17 .1 18 MR. GERRY GEARS: No. 19 20 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: So the ball is in 21 your court then? 22 23 MR. C. C. MASON: That is correct. i ( 24 ) 25 MR. HUGO POMREHN: The ball is in our I DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 j

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 19 ( 1 court. The draft of responses to questions have 2 been discussed with y'all. Rev One is in 3 preparation and final review and we anticipate Rev 1 4 One hopefully being in your hands by the first of 5

July, l

1 7 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: And Rev One will 8 be the program that's -- 9 10 MR. HUGO POMREHN: It's expanded over 11 the Rev Zero. 12 I i 13 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: -- you plan to 14 carry out. 15 1 16 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Yes, that's exactly 17 right. 18 19 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: We've got to 20 review that. We've got to tell you if there are.any 21 areas we disagree with you on so that that can be 22 incorporated in your plan and then presumably we get-23 on to just monitoring? ( 24' 25 MR. HUGO POMREEN: That is correct. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

1 1 1 NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 20 ] 1 That's not the beginning, though. We've been 2 working on a number of those programs technically 3 with your staff for some number of months now and 4 been reviewing -- i 5 6 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Are they formally 7 on the docket? 8 l 9 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Some of those are j 10 on the docket; some are in draft form. We've been j I 11 reviewing and statusing those programs on a monthly. ) 12 basis for about the last five months now following \\ \\ 13 the history, so it's not starting from day one when d i 14 we submit Rev One. We've been working very hard on i 15 Rev Zero and the programs in it. 16 17 MR. J. G. REPPLER: One of the most 18 difficult things our staff wi'11 deal with in coming 19 in like this is that it's very hard to tie down and 20 get a base point when the programs are moving along. 21 And we understand that. But it's. complicated by the 22 fact that if you're moving along with a given 23 program and that program is not in the hands of the .( 24 NRC, then you often hear the regulators say, 'Well, 25 you are proceeding at ycur own' risk. I don't like i DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464' 1

l NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 21 l 1 to get into that kind of frame with this. I want to 2 be working shoulder to shoulder with you as quickly 3 as we can so that we're all marching along together. 4 And, you know exactly where we stand and we conduct 5 our regulatory process in a way;that detracts least' 4 ) 6 from your schedules. I will tell you that 7 rightfully or wrongfully, I'm getting a little bit 8 of a taste that the Browns' Ferry site people are 9 moving at a pretty rapid pace of things bogged down 10 in the corporate office and don't find the'ir way to 11 the NRC too fast. And I don't want to make a' point 12 whether I agree or disagree that that's the case 13 but, I want to let you know, it's been brought to.my 14 attention. I think it's very important.that because' {l 15 of the efforts ongoing with Sequoyah that the site J 16 doesn't get too far out ahead of the whole process 17 here or we'll have trouble. 18 ( 19 MR. C. C. MASON: I understand. 20 21 MR. MICHAEL MAY: Okay, thank'you.. A. 22 number of you were with us last September when we-23 first discussed the contents of Volume Three,-but ( 24 there are a number of new members of our team. I' 25 would like to take just a few minutes'this morning-DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 22 ( 1 to review the contents of Volume Three, but -- and I t 2 want to paraphrase or repeat something that Mr. 3 Harding already said this morning. I want to assure, 4 you that TVA is meeting its licensing commitments. j 5 The purpose of Volume Three is to identify and 6 describe the programs in place to improve plant 7 performance and to assure the adequacy of the 8 as-constructed facility. Our programs are focused 9 on insuring that the requirements for safe shutdown 10 in chapter 14, accident mitigation, are met and a 1 11 need for a commitment change is identified, we'll l q 12 bring it to the NRC for your approval. But let me i i \\ ) 13 say a few brief words about the contents of volume i l 14 Three. Next slide, please. j 15 rirst of all, our volume Three is very 16 similar to Volume Two for Sequoyah. I have put up 17 on the screen here a brief outline of the table of 18 contents. You will find your handout the detailed 19 table of contents and you can see the kind of detail 20 that's in there. Let me just quickly go over what's 21 in each section. Section One contains an 22 introduction and background leading to the creation 23 of our Nuclear Performance Plan, talks about the ( 24 growing task force play. In Section Two is a 25 discussion of the management controls and DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

-l NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 23 1 organizational changes and plant improvement i 2 programs that we have in place. Section Three is a i 3 discussion of our technical programs, and again, l 4 very similar to Sequoyah with two notable 5 exceptions. There was'a discussion of our 1 1 6 intergranular stress corrosion cracking mitigation f 7 program as well as a discussion of our PRA. Section 8 Four is a discussion of our Restart Criteria and its 9 implementation as well as a listing of our ) i 10 commitments coming out of Volume One for Browns' ') 11 Ferry and Volume Three. Also Section Four is i 12 schedule for our regulatory modifications. Section 13 Five is new to Volume Three, has discussion of our 14 operational readiness program. And two salient i .1 1 15 points about our appendices, in' Appendix A, you'13 j 16 find a written response to your 50-54 F letter; in ~l 17 Appendix E you wi21 find the answers'to the l l 18 questions you gave us on the original Rev;Zero. So, 19 in conclusion I would like to make two points todny. 20 One, as you can see from Volume Three, there are a 21 lot of programs underway at Browns' Ferry. TVA has 22 undertaken a lot of these programs on their-own i 23 because we feel they are important to the design and 24 operation of the plant. TVA:is interested in having- { 25 Browns' Ferry an excellent facility, not one that DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 24 l 1 simply meets the minimum requirements. (~ l 2 Point two, there are a lot of licensing 3 work ahead of us. We've already mentioned that this-4 morning. We've identified at least twenty-eight j l 1 5 -SER's and an number of tech specs that haven't been 6 processed. We have been meeting with you on a ) 7 regular basis to discuss many of these-issues. We q l 8 are anxious to get Volume Three, Rev One'in your 9 hands so you can read it and continue these 10 discussions on those issues that are important to 11 NRC. That's what I have.to say about.what's going 12 on at Browns' Ferry. I'll turn the meeting back i 13 over to Mr. Pomrehn to talk about who is doing it. .l 14 l t 15 MR. S.A. WHITE: Let me just make one [ 16 point. On the PRA, probablistic' risk assessment, 17 chapter three, we're committed to an individual plan-18 of evaluation -- 19 20 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: PRA for. Browns' 21 Ferry? 22 23 MR. S. A. WHITE: Yes, a scoping PRA { 24 which is an IPE, an individual plan. evaluation 25 looking for outline. It's a vulnerability stage. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

HORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 25 1 I j 2 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay, great. 3 4 MR. S. A. WHITE: That's a difference i 5 to Sequoyah. 6 7 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Before we get into j 8 the several technical presentations we're going to j 9 make, I'd like to tell you about our organization 10 which is fundamentally in compliance with the 11 corporate policy and the organizational plan that 12 has been put in place. You want to show that { \\ 13 organization chart? This organization chart brings 14 together a direct solid line reporting organization 15 to me and some matrix divisional organizations. 1 16 Those matrixes are by and large managed here on the I 17 site by a key manager. His resources are nearly all 18 here at Browns' Ferry. You can see them on the 19 chart with the dashed lanes. Mike May in licensing; 20 Claude Turnbow, and you're going to here from Ron 21 Y0ung who is the new acting Mod Manager in the 22 construction and mods area. Paul Speidel you'll 23 hear from in the engineering division and Jerry 24 Turner is our QA manager here on site. {' 25 My direct reports, solid line reports, we DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALAB).MA REPORTING SERVICE 26 1 1 have a services organization, headed up by John I 2 Ingwersen, a planning and scheduling organization j 3 headed up by Steve Maehr. Ivan Holt is a materials 4 and procurement services manager and you're going to 5 hear from Bob Lewis in a few minutes on somt issues 6 over in the plant. 7 I feel that the~-- how we do things and who l 8 does them on the divisional basis, the matrixed-in 9 organization is well in hand. I have basic control 10 over what we are doing here and when it's going to 11 be done; control of the fundamental scope and ] 12 schedule is here at the site and the matrix as far 13 as I'm concerned is working fine and it's the way to j 14 do this project, gives us a consistency with the 15 other projects and I think that's fundamental to the ) i 16 approach that we're going to take here. This i 17 organization structure'has been in place for over a i 18 year, a year to a year and a half, and I think it's 19 very stable. However, we are continuing to assess 20 our managers and where we can, we're upgrading and 21 continuing to bring in some new senior experience 22 resources when that's possible.and when we can 23 improve ourselves. I want to show you one list 24 that's in the book, I won't go down it in detail, [ t 25 but it's c liet of fifteen managers that have been DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

I NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 27 ) 1 added to the project in the last year to fifteen i 2 months. We feel that these managers bring new 3 visibility and a lot of different and good 4 experience to the project. They are in place. Some i 5 of them have been a here a short time. Paul 6 Speidel, a key guy here, has only been on site for 7 two months. Jerry Chapman preceded him and he is 8 still here on site so we have that continuity. Paul 9 brings some experience to this project in dealing 10 with retrofit and upgrade plants, operatinq plants, i 11 that's very very healthy for us. And similarly down 12 this list. One of the things that's very key to i 13 building this team is an emphasis that we've placed 14 on management development starting a year or so ago. 15 Let me just say a couple of things about that. 16 First of all, there are some formal management 17 development and supervisor training programs that 18 are in place now. We kicked that program of f a 19 month or two ago and it's very very agressive. We 20 are going to get all our managers and supervisors 21 through that in about a year to eighteen months from 22 now. It's not necessarily a restart constraint, but 23 the philosophy of management development and i 24 { performance and accountability is in place. The 25 second thing has got to do with attitudes and l l l DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 l l ~ i

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 28 1 walking our spaces and communicating properly with 1 2 our peers and the other projects and between these 3 divisions. This is something that is, I guess, 4 somewhat new to.TVA and we're working very very hard 5 on that. I think you'll see this team over the 6 months that you're going to be working with us 7 demonstrate that. We've got a lot of work to do. 8 There are two things that are happening I would-like 9 to mention in terms of team building and a 10 motivation towards excellence that we've done here 11 and I think they are pilots, but may expand, and I'm 12 not talking about the formal management and 13 development programs,-those are'already in place. 14 We've recently done a Repnetragel pilot. A-lot of 15 you know what that is. Some of our contractors and 16 even some utilities are heavily into that approach 17 to decision making and problem solving. 18 My key management team went through that-19 sininar about a month ago, and they all liked it and 20 in addition to being'better at making decisions and 21 solving problems in a logical rigorous way, we got a 22 lot of team building out of that, and we hope to be 23 able to continue that here at BrcMns' Ferry and I'm 24 sure it will probably be picked up at some of the { 25 other sites also. The Construction Division has DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 29 l l 1-started an excellence program, towards excellence {l 2 seminar. They are nearly'through it and we're' going 3 to expand that. We want to do that with-some of1the 4 key managers here. 5 And those two approaches to management are 6 going to be where our bread and butter is in the '7 future. I think they are very goodLprograms and I 8 think.you can start seeing the-effect of those 9 programs here now. I'm. personally having coffee 10-klatches every week. We have 20 people,'a cross 11 section of this job site, in my office and we.get 12 down to some pretty good issues.. It's a'very ( 13 informal thing and I know my Mods Manager ~is having 14 brown bag lunches. We just have got to'get back in i 15 . touch with the line of command here,ithe chain of I a 16 command, the folks all the way down to the craftsmen 17 and the foremen, general foremen and on up the.line.- -l 18 And we're doing that'here'. 19 You've got to get comfortable with the 20 program and you've_got to-see it. It's'very i 21 important that you see;that. 1 22 I'd like'to open for' questions and we're 23 running a little shbrt on time, and so unless you l 24 have'anything specifically,,we're? going /to be 25 discussing and-working with this organization very - DECATUR, ' ALABAMA 1 i205)? 3 50-24 64'

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVfCE 30 1 thoroughly in the next months to come. So I just 2 . wanted to make that statement. 3 .If not, I would'like to introduce four 4 technical programs and if the time permits'and they 5 do their job-like I told them to, we"will be able to-6 get thro' ugh them. If not, we may'have to put some 7 on the cutting room floor, but I want to start.that 8-out with Jerry' Chapman on the design-baseline.and 9 verification program. It's really afthread, 10 essential thread to getting this plant restarted and 11 I'd like to have him give you a presentation-on 12-that. I 13' 14 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: The' purpose of my 15 talk this. afternoon'is to acquaint you with the i 16 design baseline and verification'programiat Browns' 17 Ferry and how it implements ~the corporate; program of 18 the same name and the object,-of course, is'to come, 19 up with a design control method, a single" set'of 20 drawings of record and assure ourselves that the 21 plant meets the licensing basis that's set out for 22 it. Basically I want to go'through'a' concept of i 23 why, what, how, and when to give you - 'toEtie.you 24' in to what I have tried.to say today.on~the baseline. { '25 program. Our program, of-course,' started off;with a' DijCATUR, ALABAMA -(205). :350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 31 1 'Why' -- weaknesses in previous design and control; ( 2 plant configuration differs from current design 3 documents, build confidence that the plant meets its. 4 licensing commitments. We are integrating into our 5 program lessons learned from Sequoyah. We are using 6 the information, the inspection reports from up 7 there. We are utilizing the information generated 8 from up there and our programs are quite similar. 9 There's only slight modifications and one of the 10 modifications that I think is very appropriate is 11 bringing the calculational program under the design 12 basis of the verification program. They are not two ( 13 distinct programs. They are under the DBBP. l 14 15 tiR. C. C. MASON: That's a specific lesson 16 learned from Sequoyah. We've put this into the 17 program. 18 19 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: We also brought in 20 a concept. Sequoyah was starting going through 21 their program and reviewing every individual change 22 modification. We made a-slight modification.at 23 Browns' Ferry. We elected to start with a 24 configuration walkdown and evaluate that, but both 25 methods of operation were to satisfy the same rule DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 32 1 that we do meet our licensing basis. 1 2 What are we going to do in our program? We 3 are going re-establish the configuration of the 4 plant. That's the functional configuration of the 5 plant is what we are trying to do in the DBBP. 6 We're going to capture the functional configuration 7 by.walkdowns we're goina to retrieve and compile 8 design crfteria, including the licensing commitments 9 and requirements; we're going to reconcile the 10 differences between the design criteria and the 11 functional configuration; and we're going to put out 12 test verification documents so that we can assure ( 13 ourselves that the functional, system functions are' -) 1 14 verified in the plant and that will be a tie to the 15 restart test program. And, of course _, we're a 16 implementing the corporate process control for 17 ongoing and future modifications in the design 18 control area. 19 How are we going to accomplish such a 20 program? It's going to be_done in~two phases. 21 Phase one, similar to Sequoyah, we're looking at.the 22 systems that are required to mitigate FSAR, chapter 23 14 ', accidents and selected. transients. Again, I 24 remind you we are doing a' functional walkdown of 25 thr.c systems, or partial _ systems. We're' preparing DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 33 I drawings to reflect the walkdown information i 2 gathered. They're QC verified, they are a double 3 verification program; we have a walkdown and we have 4 a second walkdown. We are retrieving and compiling 5 the criteria and including the licensing commitments 6 and requirements, the data base there that we 7 generated similar to what we did at.Sequoyah. 8 Browns' Ferry had its design criteria distributed 9 among many documents. It was not a compiled set of 10 data. We did have the criteria, but at this' time we 11 want to pull it together, put it in a single source 12 document or set of documents so that we-hereafter ( 13 can refer to those and not be crossed up with 14 distributed information where it's easy to lose a 15 commitment or lose a requirement and generate a CAQ '16 when someone discovers you've not come up and 'used 17 the right criteria. 18 We're going to establish the restart 19 requirements and we will evaluate the program 20 results, the test program results from the. restart' 21 test program. And we will evaluate the systems, as 22 I said before; f.n other words we're going to have'a 23 new baseline. When we evaluate it and say we meet 24 our licensing commitments, we will knowLthat we meet 25 our licensing commitments in all areas in the safety DECATUR, ALABAMA (205)-350-2464

l NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 34 1 ' systems. And, of course, the last thing we do, we ( 2 will take the walkdown information that we've issued 3 as certified field information and we will do our 4 design evaluation, then we can say those are 5 configuration control documents that do have the 6 calculations and the analysis in place to support 7 them. We issue them by system because it's .8 inappropriate to send by drawing by. drawing, but we 9 have all of the systems in the first' phase walkdown 10. issue. i 11 12 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Mr. Chapman? ( 13 14 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: Yes, sir. 15 j 16 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Will this approach 17 include a vertical splice of one or more systems? 18 19 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: I like to think 20 that we cover a lot of the the same elements. I 21 have not been able to sit down and do that yet, to i 22 show you that I have all'the elements. We are 23 looking at the design from the base design all the 24 way up to today to see that it matches the criteria. 25 We're looking at the essential calculations and DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 35 1 we're looking at, making sure our test results (- 2 verify what we are doing in the plant. So I think 3 we have a lot of.the elements, but I can't tell you 1 4 that it meets the vertical splice in the. strictest 5 definition. 6 Phase two, will be post restart. We'll do. 7 the balance of the safety system, we'll utilize the 8 Phase One lessons. learned and we'll use again the 9 single drawing of a record approach and they will be. 10 unitized CCD's and the key diagrams we are putting 11 in the control. room will be on: cads so we will be 12 able to' turn around changes very. fast and get into .( 13 the control room. A simple.' logic. diagram ~I would 14 like to go over to show you how this flows together.. 15 We did a safe shutdown analysis so that we knew we 16 were capturing the right system.. It fed into-our 17 DBVP. Of course it feeds into all the documentation 18 in our program. Out of that program we'will issue 19 CCD's and test requirements and' test requirements, 20 of course, go to restart tests and the CCD's'go to 21 the. system evaluation along with the. test 22 requirements. 23 Any CAQ's that we identify will come out, 24 they.will go through a program and they will be 25 evaluated _for post and pre-restart, again, using.the c DECATUR, ALABAMA I (205)' 350-2464

I NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 36 1 Restart' Criteria. We are looking to see if they ( 2 affect the safety system functionality and we will 3 make the determination. We will make a 4 recommendation from a CAQ standpoint and then they 5 will be looked at.again from the restart test 6 criteria. I mean the Restart Criteria. 7 8 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: This is the same 9 approach as Sequoyah? 10 1 l 11 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: Yes, sir. L 12 1 ( 13 MR. S.A. WHITE: Yes, sir. 14 15 MR. JERRY, CHAPMAN: Next slide shows 16 that we have brought this' calculational program 17 under the design baseline verification program. 18 This is the same slide you saw from Sequoyah. It is 19 an ongoing program that we are just-into now. We - 20 are starting next week to put into input'to the 21 CCRIS, the calculational cross-reference'information 22 system, that we will have that at Browns' Ferry. We 23 will utilize the same corporate program and it will k-24 be the same way. We will have the calculations in 25 place to back up what we are telling you the systems-DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 37 1 are ready that have the functionality or ( 2 functionally correct. They meet our licensing, meet 3 our design bases. I sort of look at to tell you now. 4 where do we stand in this program or when are we 5 going to accomplish something. And the NRC people 6 who were here about a month ago, you can see now I 7 have all my 493 configuration control drawings out. 1 8 They have been-put in the control room; they have ) 1 9 been in the document control center and they are in { l l 10 the TSC. 11 i 12 MR STEWART EBNETER: It still says l ( 13 'zero' over there. 14 15 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: Wait a minute. My 16 promise to you last time, Stew, was get those in the 17 control room and I was assuring myself I made it by 18 the fourth. We have had an NRC inspection in that 19 area when we had 22 of the systems into the control-20 room; they came in, looked at 19 of them; we ended 21 up with two follow-up inspection items. One of them 1 22 was the familiarity with the control room operator

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NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 38 l l l i 1 things I can bring out here in this program.

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-J l 2 we used operators to help us with our walkdowns. 3 Two, we had the operators to look over our CCD's 4 before we issued them to assure ourselves that we 5 are getting operator-friendly drawings and we did i 6 make some changes. We increased the information 7 that we are supplying to the operators on our CCD's. 8 We have integrated also in the test requirements, 9 which you see up here in the system tests 10 requirements, 47 of them have been issued to the 11 restart test program. We have integrated with the 12 systems engineers inside the plant. We have a good 13 rapport with them. We are finding the horizontal 14 integration that Hugo -- teamwork that he's been, 15 team building we've been trying to promote on the 16 site. We are beginning to see that occur between 17 the design organization and the operating 18 organiztion, between the design organization and the 19 modifications organization. 20 21 MR. HUGO POMREHN: We'd like to take a 22 short break and discuss the balance of.the 23 afternoon. 24 25 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 39 j 1 i ) 2 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: There are two more 3 important points I want t'o bring out there, that we i 4 have our system design criteria and our general 5 design criteria. We have eight and four of those 6 issued and we have all of the others in draft form i 7 and they will all be finished by the end of June in 8 signed out form. We have been using, by having them 9 in draft form then our parallel program can go 10 along, but we can't issue anything until they are j 11 finished. As an example, the system evaluation 12 reports, until the design criteria is signed out, we ( 13 can only have the system evaluation report in draft 14 form. We have done one of those to shake down our 15 system is the only reason it's ahead of where it 16 needs to be in the rest of the program, but we were 17 wanting to shake down our system. It is behind 18 where I would like to be, let me point out. If 19 there are no further questions. 20 21 MR. G. ZECH: Jerry, a couple of times 22 you've compared this program to Sequoyah's program 23 and in both cases you've said that they were similar 24 or very similar. Isn't this true, though -- maybe 25 you can elaborate a little bit -- where Sequoyah DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 40 1 went t, back to the status as of licensing you've done 2 a little bit more, or something'different, and I 3 think that's important enough to hear. 4 5 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: I glossed over it 6 maybe and I'll say it again. There are two I 7 differences in this program. One, of course, being i 8 that we brought in the calculation. The second one 9 was Sequoyah tock the tag based on, we had had i 10 information that we had lost design control or were 11 losing design control or inadequate design control, 1 12 whatever words you want to use along those lines. l 13 We did not have proper design control I like'to j 14 think of it. And Sequoyah'said starting that we had. 15 a good plan and operating license; let's look at all 16 the change paper and see if we've lost or have had j i 17 proper design control. I think the lesson learned 18 from Sequoyah was we did have by and large proper l 19 design control except in the calculational area. So 20 we dwelled on that and looked at it and says, ' Hey, i 1 21 Browns' Ferry, why don't we start it from a walkdown 22 nituation rather than we know we had design control 23 or a good design control process. Maybe it was' 24 improperly implemented. We will sta'rt knowing what i } 25 the system is then we will - by walking it down, we I i DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350 2464 i

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 41 1 will compare that against the design basis. Both of 1 2 them have the same objective'in mind; that it,.to be 3 sure we meet our licensing commitment. One started 4 with an assumption. The other one started from j 5 physical walking. 6 7 MR. S.A. WHITE: I may have 8 misunderstood you, Mr. Zech. Are.you indicating 9 that Sequoyah_ program only covered from licensing 10 on? I may have misunderstood you because I don't 11 think that's correct. 12 ( 13 MR. JOEN ZWOLINSKI: I think'that we. 14 discussed on the 21st, with. John Kirkebo, that 15 Sequoyah goes back prior to licensing -- 16 17 MR. S.A. WHITE: They may have started 18 in this fashion. 19 20 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI: But I think 21 Gary's point is valid that we did focus.on much of 22 the technical detail modification.that did so well 23 in Sequoyah, in detail, but the Browns' Ferry 24 program, as Gary described'from.the start, from the { 25 walkdown and carried it through in a-little DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464'

o 1 } 1 i NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 42 I ) 1 different fashion. ( 2 i 3 MR. ZECH: But isn't part of the 4 reason for that because you would have a better l i 1 5 record at Sequoyah than you have had at Browns' 6 Ferry as to the original status of the license? 1 8 MR. C. C. MASON: Yes, there's been i i 9 less a lapse of time at Sequoyah. 10 11 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Both. 12 ) ( 13 MR. ZECH: And because of that, you i 14 decided to do it differently. 15 16 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: We had two things 17 and I think I summarized it. I think less time and 18 I think we did have L better design control process 19 at Sequoyah in keeping up with the modifications 20 than we did at Browns' Ferry. 21 22 MR. ZECH: And that's why you went 23 back to the walkdown as a starting point. 24 25 MR. JERRY CHAPMAN: Yes. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 1

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 43 1 1 2 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Anybody else? I'd 3 like to introduce Jon Greene as our retest program 4 manager. By the way, we-intend to revisit these in 5 great detail as we go along here and get into the 6 real guts of these programs, so this is a thumbnail 7 sketch. I apologize for going so fast. 8 9 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: That's all I'm 10 looking for, a thumbnail sketch. We will have 11 several opportunities to go into these. 12 ( 13 MR. HUGO POMREHN: It's very difficult 14 to.get these managers and engineers to do this in i 15 fifteen minutes. You don't know how hard it has 16 been. 17 I 18 MR. JON GREENE: Start your watches. 19 We'll try this one out. The' purpose.of my 20 presentation this afternoon.is to give you a very 21 brief overview of the restart test program at i 22 Browns' Ferry. First slide, please. 23 I'll talk-a little bit about the philosophy 24 of the. program, fundamental elements of the program, 25 administrative and control elements of the program, DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

I NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 44 1 a little bit about the interface with other site 2 programs, or other site organizations and a quick 3 summary. 4 With regard to the philosophy, I want to 5 point out right up front that our program here is 6 along the same line as the restart program at Davis 1 7 Bessie and at Sequoyah and I think.if you look at it 8 in detail you will probably see more similarities 9 with Davis Bessie, the reason being that our 10 situation here is a case where we've had a number of 11 years of modifications being implemented where the 12 configuration and control were not as well ( 13 controlled as it should have been. As a result, we 14 try to test functions of systems, we have to rely I 15 more on going out and running a test again or 16 looking at a new surveillance -- 17 i 18 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: _ So you've got a 19 bigger question'on the operablilities systems? 20 21 MR. JON GREENEs-That's correct. ] 22 23 MR, S.A. WHITE: It's closer to Davis 24 Bessie situation. 25-DECATUR, ALABAMA - (205) ~ 350-2464 l

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 45 ) 1 J 1 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay. ( 2 3 MR. JON GREENE: The historical data 4 hasn't been as well preserved as it'is at Sequoyah; 5 therefore, we have to do more tests to demonstrate 6 the system rather than retrieve data. So in line j 7 with that, our program is along with the corporate 8 guidelines. Mr. Mavro and his staff have looked at 9 the program that we have. They have some minor 10 comments; we are resolving those minor comments. I 11 think we can say that it is consistent with our 1 l 12 goals. In line with that, I would like to review j i ( 13 basically what we have for basic philosophical 14 elements. First of all we recognize that we have to l i 15 review our systems for tests requirements. We'know 1 16 that we have to carefully document:those 17 requirements and we have'to take those requirements 18 and place those into approved procedures. We have 19 to take those approved procedures, take them out 20 into the plant, implement those procedures under a 21 controlled program that preserves.the validity of' 22 the program,.the credibility of the program, and we 23 have to make sure that those results are reviewed 24 and approved and that they do, in fact, accomplish ~ 25 the objectives that we set out to accomplish. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464' I

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 46 1 One of the fundamental philosophies, I 2 aspects, elements of the program is that we are 3 approaching the testing, the restart testing program, 4 on a graded approach. We recognize there are 5 systems that are more significant than others. We 6 have grouped those systems'into three groups, the 7 first group being those systems that are significant 8 to the safe shutdown of the plant; another group 9 that has the systems that are important to the l 10 normal operation of the plant; and we have another j l 11 group that are not fitting either of those, they are 12 not directly significant to the safety of the plant ( 13 or the normal operation of the plant., This helps us 14 to categorize the work that we have to do and the l 15 attention and the detail listed in this testing. 16 The level of testing that is done on any 17 any one system really is influenced by several 18 factors. The most important factor is the j l 19 information that we receive from the design baseline 1 1 20 verification program. That was brought out a minute 21 ago by the previous speaker. They specify the basic 22 test requirements that come out of the safe shutdown 23 analysis. We also take a look-at the importance of 24 that system to the plant. We also look at the 25 extent and the number of the modifications that have DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 47 1 been implemented on that particular system and we t' 2 also take a review of the operational maintenance 3 history to determine if there are some areas that 4 need to be tested as a result of that review. Those 5 things, those elements, those factors make the basis 6 of what we're trying to test here. The 7 administrative and control of that program is as i 8 important as anything else. We've set out to try to { 9 accomplish something with inadequate controls and 10 the product that we have when we get done is 11 probably not going to be valid or credible. So 12 we've assured that all elements of the program are \\ 13 strictly controlled. 14 We have approved procedures to govern the 15 things that we do. The first step of that is to ] 16 develop test specifications. Those test 17 specifications are put together by the restart test 18 engineer. His starting point is the information 19 that he gets out of the engineering organization. 20 He looks at that, he also looks at the history, as I 21 said before, the history of the system, the history 22 of the maintenance, the extent of the modifications. 23 He takes that information and writes the test 24 specifications. That test specification is then { 25 reviewed and approved by the test group and that DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 48 1 forms the basis by which he writes a test procedure. 1 (- 2 He writes the test procedure. Again, that's 4 l 3 approved by the joint test group. He takes that 4 procedure and goes out into the field to implement S the test. That test and controls ~on implementing 6 that test are governed by administrative' procedures. 7 Factors such as test logs, recording deficiencies, 8 out of sequence testing, those kinds of things, are 9 controlled under these procedures. And then finally 10 when he comes back in with the data from that. test, 11 that data is reviewed, compared to the initial 12 objective and approved as satisfying that initial I ( 13 objective. Next slide please. 14 There are a number of side organizations 15 and programs that we interface with, but the key 16 programs and elements-are shown on this slide. As I 17 mentioned briefly before, the design based on j l 18 verification program plays an essential role because 19 that's the starting point for our test program. 20 They provide us with the basic elements. They look 21 at the system description and'1ook at safe shutdown 22 elements and describe to us which' system functions 23 need to be proved. We. prove before we' consider that { that system will perform.as it-should; In addition, 24 25 once we have produced our test specifications and DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 49 1 our procedures, they look at that to make sure it's [ 2 consistent with what they have asked us to do in the 3 first place. They are also a member of the joint 4 test group. We also interface with the post 5 modification test session. Our engineers are 6 working with the test engineers and modification 1 7 engineers so that we understand what testing has ) 8 been done as a result of the modification and 9 initially they provide a source of personnel to 10 assist us to act as test directors during the 11 process. 12 System engineering section plays a ( 13 significant role in what we do. First of all, they f l 14 review the test requirements on the front end as 15 they come to us from the engineering organization. 16 They also assist us in making sure that the system 17 is ready for us to start a test, making sure any 18 test restraints are resolved. They also will assist 19 us when possible as research"will allow as test 20 directors during implementation of the test and also 21 they are a member of the joint test group. The 22 operations organization, last, but not least on this 23 slide, is involved in several ways. First of all, 24 they're involved in the joint test group so they get 25 involved in the approval process for our DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 50 I specifications and our procedures. They are, also 2 of course, instrumental when we go out and do our 3 test, the restart engineer cannot actually implement 4 or operate equipment so he is operating that i 5 equipment via the licensed operators. They are -- j 6 they play a key role because in some cases when we j '7 are approving a system function, we are asking that 8 to-be done via the' surveillance instruction,Eso we 9 may ask the operator to go out'and implement a 1 10 section or all of the surveillance instruction to 11 prove that point, so they actually become part of j i 12 the implementing team at some point during the ( 13 process. And finally they are also a member of the 14 joint test group. I 15 i 16 MR. J. G. KEPPLER:.May I ask Mr. <1 17 Mavro a question? 18 j 19 MR. S.A. WHITE: Syre. 20 l 21 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: O. J., looks 22 familiar to me. If I looked at Davis Bessie -- can 23 you leave that slide up, please. 24 25 MR. C. C. MASON: Sure. i DECATUR, ALABAMA (205).350-2464 u. r ......s ...u.....m.mn. -..-n...-

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE-51 1 ( 2 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: And I replaced 1 3' that top item, the DBBP with a review of 4 surveillances and --~it looks then comparable to 5' that. 6 1 7 MR. O. J. MAVRO: You also have a code 8 mark ten system review force. f 9 1 10 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: But you looked at 11 maintenance. 12 i ( 13 MR. MAVRO: That's correct. ] ) 14 i 15 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: That bottom part 16 tends to look comparable. AmLI missing anything? 17 'i 18 MR. MAVRO: No,-I hope you're not. I 19 20 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: So, the-DBBP then" l 21 is really a strengthened look-if I can call it that.- 22 23 MR. MAVRO: It's'more strengthened i 24 than what we had at Davis Bessie. 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE ~ 52 i 1 1 MR. S. A. WHITE: Absolutely. i 1 3 MR. MAVRO: We had more people on it 4 at Sequoyah. Sequoyah had all these programs. 5 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay. 6. 7 8 MR.' GARY ZECH: You mentioned. 9-surveillance instruction. I'm a little concerned 10 there because I think that's one area where Browns' 11 Ferry is lagging in terms of as compared to 12 Sequoyah. I couldn't take credit for surveillance ( 13 instruction tests that have been performed. Yet J 14 you're still doing a. review'of surveillance { 15 instruction procedures. Are you to go back and -- 16 17 MR. C. C.. MASON: Anything that's a 18 part of the test program itself. 19 20 MR. JON GREENE: .I'd like to address-1 21 that. 22 23 MR. C. C. MASON: All right. i (. 25 MR. JON GREENE: Two th'ings happen. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 .)

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERyZCE 53 i 1 First of all, our attempt is to utilize any upgrade ( f 2 SI, surveillance instructions, that we have, rather 3 than the old ones. If we are, in either case, 4 whether we use an old one or an upgraded one, that 5 SI gets exposed to that same review process as the 6 test procedure itself through the joint test group 7 to make sure that it is in fact achieving the 8 objectives we are trying to achieve. So there's ] 9 another screen. Rather than saying, 'Yes, we ran 10 the surveillance instructions okay,' we're saying, l 11 'Yes, we ran it, here it is; look at it; see if it j 12 does what you think it ought to do; if it doesn't ( 13 we'll go back and do something else.', j i 14 I 15 MR. GARY ZECH: And do it again if you j i 16 change that procedure through the process? 17 18 MR. JON GREENE: That's correct. 19 20 MR. HUGO POMREEN: We're going to 21 visit surveillance instructions again for a few 22 minutes again when Mr. Lewis gets up so I think that 23 will cement that home. 24 25 MR. C. C. MASON: I have a question. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 54 1 ( 2 MR, JON GREENE: Yes, sir. 3 4 MR. C. C. MASON: Regarding your 5 planning and scheduling of this activity, I 6 understand you've been generating a considerable 7 number -of tech specs and' procedures and probably 'I 8 start testing pretty soon, too,.and I assume it's an l 9 ongoing program. Have you identified.specifically a .10 particular systems-that you plan to test at this i 11 point? Are you trying schedule when you may be 12 doing it or when you may be able to do it? ( 13 14 MR. JON GREENE: Yeah, I'll just go q 15 ahead with my closing because I was going to briefly 16 summarize that. I'll start my closing out with-the 17 answer to your question. We know what we have-to a 18 do. We are walking into this arenafwith our eyes 19 open. We know what we have to do and we're going to 20 do what we have to do to insure that those systems. i 21 are going to. function in the way that they are 22 supposed to function. One of the first things that l 1 23 we have done here recently is to lay out a test j 24 sequence meaning each system, its sequence and when ( 25 it will be tested. We have that-laid out now. We i DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464.

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 55 1 are working with that interfacing it with other k 2 systems and with other site programs. That all fits 3 together. That does exist. We have that. We are 4 in the process, it's an active system, an active 5 program, we have generated some of the test 6 specifications and we have, I think five or six 7 procedures, test procedures, actually approved. We 8 have a system test that we're scheduling in the very ] l 9 near future; we still have some detailing to 10 complete, but by probably the first part of next 11 week, we should be getting into some preregs for 12 that, walkdowns for the preregs for example, so that ( 13 gives you a flavor of where we are. It's an ongoing 14 process. We are still in the process of staffing, 15 we anticipate about thirty people. We have about 17 16 at this point in time, but the program is underway. 17 That really concludes my presentation. Any other i 18 questions? 19 20 MR. GARY ZECH: Let me see if I can 21 put it real quick. I think the point is that for as 22 to witness the tests that we feel we need to, we 23 should know as far enough in advance, the people 24 that are witnessing the tests. 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

l r. NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 56 1 MR. JON GREENE: I've been monitoring i 2 that very closely and I sat down with the resident 3 here about three or four, four weeks ago probably, 4 and I assured him that before we get out in the 5 field I would come back to him and let him know. 6 I'm sensitive to that and I understand.the position ~ 7 that you are'in. 8 \\ 4 9 MR. GARY ZECH: Okay. 10 11 MR. J. G..KEPPLER: I don't want to be 12 playing touch-up football all the time. I want to ( 13 be working with you. 14 15 MR. JON GREENE: I'm used to that 16 environment and I'll do my best~ to.try to satisfy 17 your needs in that area. Do we have any other 18 questions? 19 20: MR. HUGO POMREEN: .I'd like to declare { 21 a five minute break. I'd recommend to y'all that we 22 defer.the IGSCC and fire ~ protection, until thetend.- 23 It's more important'to hear..the Lewis plant story. 24 and engineering construction ~and talk:about' 25 schedule. If we have. time, we'll come back to. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205).350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 57 I i ] 1 those. That would put us back on the track. Is ( i I 2 that okay? 3 4 MR. S.A. WHITE: Yes. 5-6 (Brief recess) 7 8 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Okay. We're 1 9 somewhat time constrained. Our recommendation is = 10' that I do a very brief snapshot of our IGSCC p'rogram 1 11 and fire protection program. I 12 k 13 MR. S.A. WHITE: Wait a minute. Wait J 14 a minute. j 15 16 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Very brief.. 17 18 MR. S.A. WHITE: Okay.. 19 20 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: I'm sorry. Go I 21 ahead. 22 l 23 MR. S. A ~. WHITE: Jim,.what we want to l '( 24 do now is to quickly give you some on the ~ ~ 25 intergranular stress. corrosion cracking and fire DECATUR,. ALABAMA (205) 350-2464-

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 58 1 protection, then go on with-the rest of the agenda 2 and assuming there's time at the end, we'll come 3 back and fill in, you know, with anything we can, 4 because I know you're constrained by a time limit. -5 6 MR. HUGH POMREHN: I hope you -- 7 8 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Go ahead. 9 10 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Did we vote? 'Okay. 11 I think we got an answer to your question when Mike i i 12 May was up here with the major modifications and 13 programs that are in place from the regulatory-point 14 of view. Our IGSCC program is in compliance. We 15 are following this entire plan very very carefully 16 in that program in terms of control of crack ~ j 17 corrosion, and in monitoring and inspecting the 18 welds of concern and the pieces of, equipment of l 19 concern. I'd like to take you through that program i 20 in great deal when we have a chance. 21 What I want to come back to for~just a 22 minute is the safe ends have been -- and associated 23' piping have been replaced on Unit'Two of the restart- { 24 commitment. That work went very~well'. It's 25 completed now. We actually had inspected'those safe DECATUR, ALABAMA'(205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 59 ( 1 ends and the thermal sleeve to nozzle welds some-( i 2 time ago, but came back in with a modern technology 3 UT system and found some cracking and precipitated, 4 by the time we got done with the investigation, the 'S replacement decision. It was a big decision. TVA 6 used our own management and our own forces to 7 replace that material, those safe ends on Unit'Two. 8 9 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: _Let me just ask 10 this: Is the number of BWR's changed off Rezden, 11 and. Peach Bottom, Pilgrim, Monticello, Vermont's 12 TNT, anything, Nine Mile. Is the effort that you j I i 13 did here comparable to what was done there? 14 15 MR. HUGO POMREHN: In terms of the 16 safe ends replacement or where we stand on'BWR in 17 comparison? I think the answer is yes in both 18 cases. 19 20 MR. C. C. MASON: No. It's not as 21 involved -- 22-23 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: I'm sorry, it's { 24 not as involved as what? 25 DECATUR,. ALABAMA (205) 350-2464-

.i NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 60 q 1 MR. C. C. MASON: It's not as involved t- \\ 2 as -- 3 4 MR. HUGO POMREHN: It was not a 5 ' complete ' recirculation system piping reclosal, if 6 that's the question, on Unit Two. 7 8 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: IsLthere' reason? 9 10 MR. HUGO POMREHN: 'The' reason is that ) ~ 11 the status and the condition of the rest of the 12 material in that system is okay. And we're 13 following each of those welds and in our IGSCC q 14 monitoring program. 'i 15 ] J 16 MR. S.A. WHITE: But the plants that ] q 17 were mentioned, I think without exception, replaced i i 18 safe ends, did they not? i 19 4 i 20 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Oh, yeslas part: ] 21' of~-- 22 23 MR S. G. WHITE: And that effort is ~( 24 comparable, j i 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

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NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 61 i 1 MR.:J. G. KEPPLER: Okay, and that 2 effort is comparable. 3 4 MR. S.A. WHITE:.They had other 5 problems they wanted to work on. .6 j 7 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: But why did they. '8-want to choose to change out -- i 9 10 MR. S.A. WHITE:.Thay had problems,in' i 11 the other parts cracking., 12 ( 13 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: But that-does that 14 make.you more vulnerable to cracks at. restart? 15 16 MR. HUGO.POMREHN: No,.I think the-ll1 17 answer is no. Our monitoring program and-our-l 18 conversion anditransition to a hydrogen water .j ~ i 19 chemistry will arrest the cracks'in' conditions:that' 20 were okay on the balance of"that'pipingtin our 1 21 current judgment.. Nevertheless,-we're going.to be 22 continuing our inservice in'spection activities to 23 make sure that's true under this program. ( 24 25 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Let me tryJit a DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464-j i L

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 62 1 differently. Is this program that you are doing 2 different than what GE is doing at other BWR's? 3 4 MR. HUGO POMREEN: This is John Fox. 5 6 MR. JOHN FOX: Excuse me. With 7 respect to the plants you've mentioned where their 8 piping was changed out, our Browns' Ferry Unit One 9 is in a comparable situation.to those plants with 10 respect to the amount of piping involving cracks. 11 However, Unit Two was very mildly involved in 12 cracking. The heaviest involvement in cracking is ( 13 on safe ends; there where we-elected to replace. 14 With respect to the balance of the piping, 15 approximately 200 weld, there we are largely 16 uncracked. And we have our first level of 17 mitigation has been applied to those velds. That 18 is, the stress improvement process. That is 19 primarily complete and we are doing some clean up-20 work on that starting right now to get some new 21-technology and some new treatment on those. So we 22 have one level of mitigation applied to the majority _ 23 of the welds out there to be replacing the stress ( 24 improvement. The next level:of mitigation that 25 kicks in will be the waterfall' deep and hydrogen DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 63 .1 water chemistry improvements. Hopefully we will 2 mitigate it before we get to the status of plants 3 that you mentioned where replacements were called 4 for. 1 5 i 6 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: So your .7-expectation then would be that you do not expect J 8 further cracking? 9 10 MR. JOHN FOX: Yes, sir. 'll 12 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay.~ k 13 14 MR. STEWART EBNETER: Let.me.ask you 15 something else. How many welds have overlays on 16 them on Unit Two? 17-18 MR. JOHN FOX: Two. We are doing one 19 and we are finishing another'now. 20 21 MR. STEWART EBNETER: But.you~are 22 going to contain those in the overlaps?. 23 ( 24 MR. JOHN _ FOX: We are going to 25' continue to analyze those on a' cycle by cycle basis. DECATUR,' ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

l NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 64 1 For the near term we will contain those. ( 2 3 MR. HUGO POMREHN: The fire protection. 4 stat'ement I would like to make'is also very brief at 5 this point, but again, offer to get into it in some 6 depth and I think we need to do that in the near 7 term. We will -- 8 9 MR. S.A. WHITE: Hugo, let me 10-interrupt you for a one second. Is it not correct 11 that we did not have to replace the safe ends. We 12 did that by choice as this is the-most opportune 13 time. We could have continued -- as I recall from a 14-review -- we could have continued, but decided this 15 was the appropriate time and condition -- 16 17 MR. HUGO POMREEN Our criteria for' 18 not doing it would have said we needed two cycles or 19 a cycle and a half of life on those safe ends. We 20 predicted that wouldn't be possible. 21 22 MR. S.A.. WHITE - So we chose, you '23 know, that'this was the time to'do it. It wasn't a { 24 question that -- we gave the. impression it was 25 something that had to be done before restart, and my DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 352-2464-

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 65 1 recollection was it was not, but we chose to do it. 2 3 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: What he just said 4 was you would need two or more. cycles. 5 '6 MR. JOHN FOX: Do you want me to speak 7 to that? 8 9 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Yes. Our criteria, 10 tell them. 11 12 MR. JOHN FOX: The specific criteria I 13 that we looked at, the safe ends, in'dicated that 14 they were not good for an additional cycle of 15 operation without something. That something would be 16 an overlay or replacement, or like-a Peach Bottom 17 solution, where they did some rather elaborate crack 18 monitoring. It was our own_ assessment of expediency 19 and the risk involved and what our own risk aversion 20 was to go ahead and replace them. Is that a 21 satisfactory answer there? 22 23 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Okay. f-24 25 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Sure. Mr. White, DECATUR, ALABAMA- (205) 350-2464

1 1 i i NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING' SERVICE 66 ) j 1 there are other ways to -- (. 2 l l '3 MR. S.A. WHITE: No, I understand. 4 What I'm trying to get to is -- maybelthis is an q 5 opinion, Mr. Fox'--'is when I arrived the plan was 6 not to do them. We bui'lt a tent. We bought.the 0 7 pipe for.a different unit as a matter of fact as.I 8 recall; isn't that correct? j 9 10 MR. HUGO POMREHN: That's correct'. 11 12 MR. S.A. WHITE: And it was. laying in I 13 a warehouse and we.could have gone ahead and decided { 14 to do it now. 15 16 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Then I~ applaud.you 17 for you what you did now. 18 19 MR. STEWART EBNETER: Just quickly. 20 though, Hugo, those overlays, we'only gave approval' 21 licenses for one cycle of operation. You will have 22 to come back and see us on those';;is that right?' 23 24 MR. C..C. MASON: Two. g 25 i DECATUR, ALABAMA'(205).350-2464 m

i NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 67 1 i 1 MR. S.A. WHITE: I_believe there were i ( 2 two. 3 1 4 MR. STEWART EBNETER: Is that not true? 5 6 MR. HUGO POMREHN: I have to make one 7 more' statement about safe ends replacement. Can I 8 have another 30 seconds? We have had the NRC's 9 noninstructive examination team in here a month or 10 so ago. They did a complete audit of our work; in i 1 11 addition, they did some of their own radiography and 12 some UT I think on that-program, on the safe ends ( 13 replacements program. We have no deficiencies or i 14 significant findings in that audit. We are very 15 very proud of that. 16 Fire protection story - again in a 17 nutshell, if I may, we will be in compliance.with 18 Appendix R by restart.- In compliance.in my mind 19 means there that there are some deficiencies or 20 exceptions that are not cost' beneficial to do. l 21 Similar to other BWR's in other plants of this 22 vintage. Those are all in front of your staffLand 1 23 have been reviewed. A formal submittal will be in' 24 your hands very shortly, Mr. Gridley, and you need { 25 that in order to make a judgment about those. There. DECATUR, ALABAMA. (205) 350-2464 4 J

] NORTH ALAEAMA REPORTING SERVICE 68 1 are twelve items which we're recommending for ) (- 2 deviation to the strictest interpretation of ] 3 Appendix R. That will be decided and reviewed and J 4 approved by you before we restart. ) s 6-MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Let me just 7 comment. I am very critical what both the NRC and 8 the nuclear industry has done in fire protection. ] 9 It's been over ten years since they-had the fire 10 down there and plants still aren't in total i 11 compliance with the fire protection rules of the 12 agency. And while there are valid reasons for that, ( 13 it's very difficult to rationalize why we are in 14 that boat. 15 It's perhaps more important.to me that 16 Browns' Ferry be the best of the plants on fire 17 protection because of the problem that happened down i I saw a lot 18 here. And while I would say that 19 today during my tour and there are reasonc 'for l 20 granting certain exemptions I gather from my. 21 staff -- I do think that it behooves TVA and'the NRC 22 to achieve the greatest, the closest _ compliance with 23 that rule as possible. We will exercise fair-24 judgment on this, but it is-awfully difficult to sit 25 twelve years later and explain why the hell we need .EcATeR, mem ms, 3,e-2e4

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 69 l 1 1 exemptions to an existing rule. And that's'a i i 2 problem I have personally. j l 3 4 MR. S.A. WHITE: I'd like to comment 5 on that if I may. l 6 i 7 MR. J. G. KEPPLER:

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l l 9 MR. S.A. WHITE: In January, 1986, ) 10 there was no intent on the part of TVA to comply .) 11 with Appendix R at Browns' Ferry. In fact, there l J 12 was in existence at that time, as I: recall -- I ( 13 recall a broad faced waiver request, deviation 14 request in the NRC hands in January, 1986. I might 15 tell you that the new management team, one of.the 16 first two major decisions that was made within the 17 first month was full compliance with' Appendix R 18 unless there were technical reasons for required 19 waivers and deviation. It took us-months, literally 20 months, to work through the points where we. attacked-21 ~ that problem. Because I agree with you, it was 1 L 22 unconscionable that Browns' Ferry or any plant.in 23 the United States should not comply with that. 24 25 MR. J. G. KEPPLER:. All right.- Now.-- l l DECATUR, ALABAMA (105) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 70 1 1 2 MR. S.A. WHITE: It is a very sore 3 poirits with me. 4 5 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: I guess we're 6 together. 8 MR, S.A. WHITE: We are on that. 9 i 10 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: It's very 11 apparent, though, that TVA doesn't comply. I saw a 12 lot of it and I'm not being critic 61 from that i 13 point. This thing that -- we have a lot of people 14 watching this procero, and we'd like to maximize 15 what we can get done in this area. 16 17 MR. S.A. WHITE: Well, I would say to 18 you it is not just Appendix R, as I'm sure your 19 staff understands. There are other parts that will 20 fall under Appendix R that I also believe are 21 necessary and that we must do in fire protection. 22 You know, clearly we had a cooling tower burn down 23 last year, and we're taking some action in that { 24 regard, but there are other areas that are not in 25 Appendix R because from any history and environment, DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

l i NORTH ALABAMA' REPORTING SERVICE 71 1-fire is an important thing to consider. It's i 1 i 2 bro ~ader than a Appendix R, but I think we're 3 certainly together on that, j l 4 j 5 MR..HUGO POMREEN: Again, I offer that 6 so give you a full understanding of the scope of r 7 that program and'we've committed to with Mr. White's 8 opening statement there. I'd like to now have Bob l 9 Lewis up if there's no in further questions and get 10 into the plant initiatives to improve-and then we'll, 11 gets into the scheu,e section. q 12 13-MR. n0B LEWIS: I'd like to thank you,- l ~14 Mr. Keppler for taking the time to tour our plant 15 today. You may have caused some in ins'tabilitiy in 16 the organization when you found that graffiti out i 17 there. 18 I would'like to briefly talk on.the plant 19 status and a few of the issues we've got. 20 Presently the fuel is unloaded"from all 21 three units. We've just recently unloaded Unit. 22 Three. 23 We're preparing to perform IHSI on Unit Two 24 should -- they're putting the. equipment-in place now' 1 25 to do'that -- it should be about the middle of this DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 }--

NORTH ' AL ABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 72 4 1-month. ( 2 We have completed the rebuild of Unit Two 3 low pressure turbine rotors. We had what I call 4 blade root cracking. All three rotors have been 5 completely rebuilt.- Movats testing and rework of 6 the limitorque valves is in progress and 7 approximately 30 percent complete. We've had an ISI 8 program going on the extraction line in the industry 9 experience for about eight years. During this 10 outage we replaced quite a bit of extraction piping 11 and due to the Surrey event, we have added quite a 12 bit of piping' to our ISI program. We did not find ( 13 any similar pipe erosion as they'did at Surrey. One 14 of the other majer things we are doing now is 15 repairing condenser circu]ating. water tunnels; we're 16 presently working on inlet tunnel for Unit Two. We 17 have had leaks for not -- mostly at the joints in 18 the inlet tunnel, causing an erosion. problem. 19 Layup status of the plant: Since April, 20 we've been very active pursuing layup of this plant. 21 we've completed about 20. procedures. Then there's 22 ten currently being prepared. -I have the status of 23 layup up there. All the turbines do have 24 dehumidifiers blowing through them. The equipment 25 is being rotated. We lacked procedures on,'as we DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464-

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 73 1 mentioned before, they're being prepared, but the i 2 layup completions will be on the dates shown up j 3 there. The latest one in September. Unit Two, I I 4 might add, the layup is a little different that it 5 will be in One and Three simply because we're going 6 to be doing testing on Unit Two in a lot of cases 7 with a wet layup to condensate the feed water cycle ) ) 8 versus the dry layup on the treatment. 9 Talk just a minute on plant organization. l 10 We are in what we call the Unitized Organization. i 11 We went to thic to focus on the unit equipment for 12 both maintenance and operation. At the present ( 13 time, maintenance as a unitized concept is fully j 14 implemented. For operations it is not because we've 15 got so many operators in training and such a ) 16 shortage we cannot go to that. We will before 17 startup. We've implemented a system engineering 18 organization and we feel real good about it. We 19 have about 20 of the system engineers. We think 26 20 will probably be a full complement. They have done 21 a lot of work. They are in our tech staff and they 22 have done a lot of work with the design engineering 23 group and I believe the design people will tell you 24 it's been productive for both of us. We presently { 25 have five shift advisers out there with our people. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA. REPORTING SERVICE 74 1 These are experienced SRO's that we've got some ( 2 contract people. We plan to leave them there 3 through startup and we have a commitment from New 4 Mark to furnish us five SRO's from operating BWR's 5 for a period of six months. We are not using those 6 in any way take the place of the license. We will 7 have all of our' license people. We feel it will be 8 a supplement to the experience on shift during 9 startup. 10 11 MR. STEWART EBNETER: You say you have 12 a-total of ten supervisors. 13 14 MR. BOD LEWIS: We will for startup. 15 There's five out there now. We placed maintenance 16 managers on the back shift. This gives us, not only 17 control, it has tremendously helped in improvement 38 around the clock on the maintenance organization. 19 John Greene talked a minute ago about the restart 20 test organization. It is in place. It's not fully 21 staffed. It reports to the Unit Two superintendent. 22 We feel that organization is moving.. Along with 23 emphasizing process equipment and unit equipment, we 24 moved some of the workload away from the regular 25 maintenance' organizations and that's what.the last DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464.

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 75 1 bullet that says communications has a separate ( l 2 group, so does security maintenance. That is'not I 3 part of plant process equipment. If you will, give i 4 me the next slide. i 5 Operator training, I'll just touch on it, j 6 We're in the third -- yes, sir. 7 8 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: I know you have 9 plant organization chart up, but how many people are 10 non-TVA people in your plant organization? 11 12 MR. BOB LEWIS: There are very few. I ( 13 have an a assistant to me, Jerry Martin, who is in i 14 the room here, that is a Mac employee, that has got i 15 years of experience with BWR's, is formerly GE. I 16 have a man currently -- well, we've got some 17 contract people assisting Bob McKenna. Most of them 18 are involved in either restart tests, procedure -- 19 20 MR. S.A. WHITE: Well, let's answer 21 the question. He wants,to know how many are in line 22 management positions. 23 24 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Yeah. 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 I

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 76 1 MR..S.A. WHITE: The site director is 2 one. Don't give a whole. history;-just answer the 3 question. 4 5 MR. BOB LEWIS: All right, sir... As 6. far as the line goes, we have two. 7 8 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Martin and Jon 9 Greene. 10 11 MR. S.A. WHITE: And you. 12 ( 13 MR. HUGO POMREHN: ~And me. 14 15 MR. BOB LEWIS:- And me. 16 17 MR. J. G. KEPPLER' Okay. 18 19 MR. BOB LEWIS: We're into'the third 20 accelerated requal class. 21 ~ 22 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Do.you plan to be 23 here to put this. plant back in operation? 24 (Indicating Mr. Pomrehn) 25-DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464, f

NORTS. ALABAMA REPORTTNG SERVICE 77 1 MR. S.A. WHITE: Yes. ( 2 3 MR. HUGO POMREHN: You asked the wrong 4 guy. 5 6 MR. S.A. WHITE: As long as he does 7 his job satisfactorily. 8 9 MR. MUGO POMREHN: You know you keep 10 telling stories like that stuff you saw on your walk 11 out there, I probably won't. 12 1 ( 13 MR. BOB LEWIS: Let me' mention all'the 14. requalification classes. All three of these classes i 15 started out with about.24 people in them..The first i 16 class was sixteen weeks. We lengthened the second { i 17 one; this third one is planned to be a 28-weeks.of 18 accelerated training. We've had an excellent record 19 as far as passing your examination out of the first 20 two classes. We did not have an excellent-record.on 21 how many we put up for the examination. We thinned 22 it down and put up generally'about 12 people.. We 23 are getting about half of them.- b 25 MR. JOHN'ZWOLINSKI: Wh'at's your goal: DECATUR, ALABAMA (205).350-2464

I NORTH ALABAMA REPORTIEG SERVICE 78 1 J i 1 at the time of restart for the total number of .) l 2 operators? 1 3 4' MR. BOB LEWIS:. Well, I would like to 5 have the 20 that I've got in there now, and that 6 will put me in real good shape as far as licensed 7 operators. I can maintain their license i 8 requirements on several less. We've got 28, 35, 55, ) 9 I can do it comfortably with 40 or 45, in that 10 range { 11 ) i 12 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI: Your goal is to 'i ( 13 have 40 RO's and SRO's? .) 14 15 MR. BOB LEWIS:--My goal is to have 16 more than that. My goal is to have about SOLor 55. 17 18 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI Where do you i 19 stand with the Inpo accreditation? 20 21 MR. BOB LEWIS: They are accredited. i 22 The operator programs see accredited. 23 24 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI You have full 25 Inpo. accreditation of all programs? 3 s DECATUR, ALABAMA -(2C5) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 79 1 2 MR. BOB LEWIS: We have all of our 3 training programs accredited with the exception of i 4 electrical and mechanical maintenance. They have 5 made the visit from Inpo on that and we are waiting 6 on-board approval. 7 8 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI: Okay. 9 1 10 MR. HUGO POMREHN: They went well. 11 Those visits went very well. 12 ( 13 MR. S.A. WHITE: We aren't doing very 14 well in the numbers that we are getting up to the 15 NRC. I might say that's by intent because in 16 December, I think, of 1985, the NRC exam, as I 17 remember, failed 80 percent; is that right? 18 19 MR. BOB LEWIS: Uh-huh. 20 21 MR. S.A. WHITE: We failed 80 percent. 22 And one of the things we did was we said we are 23 going to be more selective. We have people; we'll 24 fail them and those numbers have essentially 25 reversed. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

1 NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE '80 i 1 } 2 MR. BOB LEWIS: We're getting like' ) i 3 twelve ~out of thirteen, or ten.out of' eleven.- 4 5-MR. S.A. WHITE: We upped the 6 percentage, but as a result, not that many are 7 making the'true course, and I don't look at that'as j i 8 bad. ] 9 10 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: No. 11 12 MR. S.A. WHITE: I'd rather we find i ( 13. them than you find them. 14 15 MR. BOB LEWIS: No question about it. 16 I would just like for us to be'more successful. ] 17 18 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Thank you. 4 19 20-MR. BOB LEWIS: 'At'the present time, 21 these are the numbers of valid licenses we have.and. 22 by valid I mean they have either gone through th'e i .23 recall class or they have taken an examination'since l 24 the program has been upgraded.- 25 Procedure status. I'm going to talk about' ,I DECATUR,. ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 i 'l

NORTH ALADAMA REPORTING SERVICE 81 1 one part of procedures. We've done an awfully lot b 2 of work on procedures here in the last two years.- 3 What we call upgraded procedures are those that have 4 gone through the human factors review as well as 5 technical review and in the format. I will not go 6 through those numbers. That is the status as of 7 last week where we e.re on upgraded procedures. And 4 8 let me make a comment. When I say seven out of ten 9 have been upgraded, they still lack a walkdown.in 10 the validation. We've got them written but we're 11 held up because the plant was not tagged, in turn 12 because the CCD drawings were not issuede but now ( 13 they are out and the plant tagging is going on. I 14 We've just got to assure that the drawings, the ) 15 procedures, and everything called the-val the same ] 16 thing out there. 17 Surveillance instructions. We've had some 18 comments awhile ago on surveillance' instructions. 19 We've also done a lot of work on surveillance-20 instructions both with contractors and with-our own 21 sections. We've had quality assurance to.run a 22 check on them. And we've found that they had a llot 23 of problems with them. Now, I think Al'and some'of. 24 them have gone over this. My technical staff'did 25 not find those to be technical problems, but t i DECATUR, ALABAMA - (205) - 350-2464

NORTS ALABAMA REPORTING' SERVICE 82 1 nevertheless, there were a lot of problems. We are 2 now -- we have gone to Sequoyah. We've incorporated 3 their' experience with the SI review. We've 4 incorporated Inpo experience and other industry 5 experience into this standard practice 2.14 that has q 6 improved the review and validation process. There 7 is a check list in there both for the written 8 instruction, also one for the walkdown. Let me-9 'quickly say the steps they will go through, they 10 write them, they review them by check list, they 11 walk through the procedure byLa check list. It goes 12 to port for approval. Then it will be put through I k 13 the validation process of,actually running.that 14 procedure. Right now we've got 191 out of'the 435 15 we feel are necessary for startup that are ready for 16 the walk through. I estimate I'll have-35 percent 17 complete through that' cycle by September the first 18 for your people to review. 19 Later today I believe Tom Ziegler is going 20 to talk on the maintenance improvementLprogram. 21 That's not what I mean by this.one.- I'm just. going 22 ~to mention some of the improvements we've made in 23 maintenance-within the11ast year or so.. We've made. 24 many changes out.there.- Some.of them I don't think 25-you're particularly interested in, and we have "DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 .a

i NORTH ~ ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 83 l 1 changed jurisdictional requirements and done away k 2 with them essentially. We've got overtime under i l 3 control. As we've mentioned we've had the 4 accreditation visit by Inpo, they were very 5 complimentary. We have had maybe two or three ? 6 comments. I have to pass.on the comment'tha't they ) 1 7 said we had more management involvement in the- ) I 8 accreditation of maintenance than any plant they had 9 ever been in. The training of the craft is.in 10 progress and we've come up with a real. incentive for. l 11 that. Effective July the first, we will have what ] 12 we call a nuclear bonus for maintenance people, 1 l l 13 It's based on the accreditation program, how many. i 14 tasks they are qualified for and.how they progressed' 15 through our training program and. retraining program. ) 16 We have them interested in training. No doubt about 17 it. I mentioned the unitized concept is in place.. 18 I'd like to mention that timeliness has been a real 19 problem with maintenance mostly because the plant-20 was built in a large part by typical. drawings, y 21 typical hangar drawings. We did not have generic-22 specifications here. A lot of the prints'did not 23 have information such as torque requirementi; and 24 things on them. It.'s give us'a;real problem in 25 doing maintenance in a timely manner. I am real DECATUR, ALABAMA ~ (205) 350-2464 \\

.) - NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 84. 1. encouraged that the design. organization has some . a-2 efforts underway such.as DCN substitution lists and 3 issuance of drawings with som'e generic'information 4' on them that's going'to.give us great help in 5 maintenance. 6 7 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: What's-your ~8 maintenance backlog here?1 9 ) 10 MR. BOB. LEWIS: Maintenance' backlog, 11 I'm going to tell you for start Unit Two is about. 12 1400 MR's. (' i 13 14 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: What's it now?. 15 16 MR. BOB LEWIS:.That's'what"it is on ~ 17 Unit Two. 18 19 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: Right now?' 20 4 21 MR. BOB. LEWIS: Yeah. Now, be. 22 careful. I said for Unit Two. If you_want to get 23 the whole-plant, I've got.that. a .g 24 25 MR. J. G.=KEPPLER:. No,'t'at is, good. h 4 DECATUR, ALAB AMA L (20 5) 350-2464 m

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 85 l 1 ( i 2 MR. BOB LEWIS: Unit Two backlog is i 3 about 1400. That would include two or three hundred: j 4 that says put the insulation bacn on if they can't '5 do and a large number says postmod testing -- -6 7 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: What is what the 8 the problem, then. That doesn't_ strike me as an 9 inordinate backlog. l ) 10 11 MR. BOB LEWIS: It's not, but it's 12 been a job to get it down to there and some of ( 13 them -- it's real inefficient to~do maintenance.the. 14 way we're doing it. 15 16 MR. J. G. KEPPLER: What's your mean ) 17 time for an item? Whatever typical number you keep 18 like that. 19 1 20 MR. BOB LEWIS: The main problem is 21 that we will get out there and if it's --'let-me 1 22 take a hangar broke. We.will start to repair it. t 23 The drawing will not say what the material for the U 24 bolt is; it will'not say how much to' torque the 25 bolt.. We have to get that information -- DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH' ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 86 1 2 MR. HUGO POMREHN:- What's the average .3 age of an MR? 4 5 MR. BOB LEWIS: Oh, the average age? 6 I can't give you that. I'll let Tom answer that. 7 Tom Ziegler, the maintenance manager. 8 9 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI Ask a question 10 regarding emergency operating procedures. At 11 Sequoyah the DWR's have-gone a different track. Are 12 you anticipating what the owners will do? ( 13 i '14 MR. BOB LEWIS: We are. 1We're in:Rev { ( 15 Three of the owners group with our EOI's right'now. 16 { ) 17 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI: And is Rev Three 18 on your simulator? 1 19 i 20 MR. BOB LEWIS: Yeah. 21 -q 22 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI: And is Rev Four 23 to be submitted or you.are awaiting-the results 24 of -- 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 i

1 -l NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 87' 1 MR.' BOB LEWIS: We're awaiting the_ l t 2 ownere group on that, I believe. i 3 4 MR. MIKE MAY: We're committed -- z 5 'l 6 MR. JOHN ZWOLINSKI: That's been 7 -reviawed_and approved, Mike? o 1 8 9 MR. MIKE MAY: . Jim, help me~with that. l i 10 What's the status of that? Rev Four?- t 11 12 MR. JIM WOLCOTT: Rev-Four has to be 1 .l i 13 what would be -- (Answer inaudible) j l 14 15 MR. MICHAEL MAY: We are'very active ) 16 in the learners group and we're following~it _so 4 17 we're -- When'those become approved,-we're committed 1 18 to them as soon as they go through the.NRC' approval. i 19 i - 20 MR. BOB LEWIS: _I thought.;- correct 21 me, Jim,.but Rev Four has'not.been approved by NRC-l 22 yet. 23 24 MR. HUGO POMREHN:- That's correct. { 25 "ATUR, ALABAMA -(205) 350-2464:

+ ? r.' ' NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE-88. 1 MR. JIM WOLCOTT:1 Just recently. 2 3 MR. J. G.' KEPPLER: Thank'you. 4 5' MR. BOB LEWIS: Thank you. 6 1 7 MR. HUGO POMREHN: Being fone' of. those -8 ' contractors from an architect engineering firm, I'd 9 like to talk EPC, which'means engineering, 10 procurement and construction. lie got a heck of a 'll lot of work to do here in those areas. I.would like ) 1 12 to now turn to Paul Speidel,LIvan Holt and'Ronnie i 13 Young to give you a capsule of the engineering'and. -l 14 materials control and theLconstruction work in order. 1 15 to get us ready for a restart.. Starting out with 16 Paul. ,4 17 1 18 MR. PAUL SPEIDEL: Thank you,.Hugo. 19 What I'd like to do is erplain to you, give you an 20 engineering overview of where we are and where we 21 think we are going. In the last two months I've-22 been involved in restructuring of_the engineering: 23 organization. The' purpose of'this-restructuring'is' i 24 to better functionally align.the engineering: 25 organization to the functions at hand.- .I want to-a l 1 DECATUR, fAL AB AMA - (2 0 5) 350-2464 1 I

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2 performance. I want to iniprove the accountability 3 ofithe engineering groups. I want to be more 4 responsive, faster response-1.ike Mr. Lewis said,- 5 responsive to the maintenance problems, and I want. 6 to be able to manage.the contracts better. 7 I would like to' explain -- even before I. 8 get into:the organization how it's functionally _ 9 aligned,_I would like to say that along with-the 10 alignment we're implementing some procedures. These 11 procedures are very important to rais'ing.the quality 12 and being more_ responsive.- The1first. procedure that 13 we're implementing is design' modification' packaging ] 14 procedure. This is a departure from th'e past where 15 the engineering effort.would start'and'feedlinto the 16 modification efforts _and not really have a well 17-defined package, so being implemented this week, we-18 have this design modification. package ~which will' 19 give 100 percent design package:to the modifications' - f 20 group for implementation. Now,'what.this is going 21-to do for us is, up front.when we define the scopef f I 22 of work, we will meet with the modifications-group, _ 23 we will meet with the. test people,Jwe:will meet with i 24-g the: systems. engineers.and wel1~ define _the scope and-25 make sure that all of the objectives to the plant - j 4 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464o

( 4 MORTil' ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE' 90 i 'l l I modification are achieved. After we do-this, we 2 will go into the design phase. And about 50 percent-3 of the design we will then call the' group back 4 together,_go over the problems and make sure.that 5 our modification. goals are still being met. 6 If they are,:we will proceed to issue the 7 package preliminarily at 100 percent engineering.' q 8 This'is not an issue for construction package, but .] 9 it's an issue for constructibility. So we get the-10 groups together, maintenance group, startup group, 13 modifications group and walk that down for 12 constructibility. We'll get the1 comments'back,- 1 i \\ 13 engineering then will incorporate these comments and d 14 we'll issue a constructible well-designed package. 15 This will improve the quality; it-will assist us in-16 turnover because the systems engineersLhave'already. l t 17 had their input to it. .It will. aid the: 18 configuration control because all of the documents 19 are already in a total integrated package. Also 20 some test guidelines are in the package;-it-will 21 help writing the test procedures to implementathei ~ 22 testing. The other procedure.that we have thatfis j .23 being implemented.is-the DCM procedure for design 1 24 change modification, our newest.- Mr. Lewis-25 addressed.that. Now where that's' going to help is DECATUR,~ ALABAMA?(205) 350-2464 1

i EORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 91 1 that it's going to allow for emergency type t { I 2 modifications, design modifications or it's going to 3 allow for a fast response FCR. That means that I'll.- 1 f 4 have a team in the field that will have the 5 flexibility to operate through a controlled 6 procedure to make minor modifications to the plant 7 to assist modifications or to assist maintenance. 8 Now, the way I have this lined is that I 9 have sort of production groups. The first group is 10 the design modification group. That is where the 11 four branches are, the electrical group, civil 12 group, nuclear group, the mechanical group. Their i 13 primary responsibility is design modifications, J 14 ECN's we're calling them now. ) 15 The next group is engineering services, j 16 This is the fast response team. Their primary 17 function is to issue design change notices or FCR's. 18 The other group that I have is special 19 projects. They're a production group, but they 20 don't produce design. They produce studies, 21 reports, inspections. For example, they would be 22 responsible for the baseline, EQ work, and if we 23 were doing the Appendix R work, that would fall into ( this group initially. 24 25 The next one that we have is the control DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

o \\ f NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 92 l 1 group. The staff in' control. And that's strictly a 2' performance modification, or performance control. 3 Their function is to establish the criteria, the 4 goals, make sure that the quality of the prod 6 cts 5 that we're putting out meet the quality,. meet the. q 1 6 schedule, meet the budgets. The next group is a j 7 contractor task. Those1are the managers of the 8 three shell contracts, the three manage task ] 9 contractors th'at we recently awarded. We have three 10 contractors that are now being mobilized and will 11 come in to provide us with manage task contracts. 12 And the last group is the off-site support. This is 1 d \\ 13 the Knoxville Headquarters contingent. Whenever we 14 need technical assistance, we have a group under 15 project engineer there that I assign specific 16 projects to, primarily to draw i-the. branch ~ chief's I 17 technical support. l 1 i 18 Next slide, please. Now, I think that'this 1 19 slide represents all of the identified design change j 20 packages that we have today. If you will notice 21 that to date I have 60 percent of;them that have 22 been issued'to modifications and are currently being-23 worked. The remaining 40 percent.I have scheduled 24 to complete between now and the end.of the year. 25 Now, this is the physical design modifications.to l DECATUR, ALABAMA (205). 350-2464 l

l NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE-93 1 the plant. That engineering is scheduled; I have t 2 schedules for it; I have plans-for the staffing of H 3 that. Some of this is being done by in-house TVA 4 forces. Some of'it is being1done by the new i 5 contractors that we're bringing on board. Next ) 6 slide. 7 ) -8 MR. ZWOLINSKI: Are all of those 9 required to be completed prior to restart? 10 11 MR. PAUL SPEIDEL: Yes, sir, by our 12 restart review committee. We went over these .] i i 13 several times, we've reduced the li'st some, but 14 every-one of these have a thread back to the restart 15 criteria. Not every one. of them meet. all of :the l 16 criteria. There's about ten of them that are not-i 17 absolutely restart criteria, but are for the plant 1 18 operability. 19 20 MR. POMRERN: Or other projects 21 management comparatives, but very few of them. 22 23 MR A. IGNATONIS: Backtracking for 24' questioning your organization.,How large is your ( 25 staff? DECATUR, ALABAMA-(205).350-2464L

il NORTH ALABAMA REPORT 1NG SERVICE 94 ] p. 1 2 MR. PAUL SPEIDEL:, Total man power? ] 1 l 3 4 MR. A. IGNATONIS: Right, I'm sorry. 5 6 MR. PAUL SPEIDEL: About 1100-total 7 technical people. g 1 8 9 MR. A. IGNATONIS: Does that' include 10 contractors and TVA people? 11 12 MR. PAUL SPEIDEL: Contractors and k 13 TVA. There's about 700 contractors and the rest-14 made up by TVA. Now, that -- there is a plan of 15 being implemented right now that's transitioning i 16 from the seven hundred staff augmentation people i 17 that I have on to convert those to theLmanaged task. 18 And that's an ongoing effort right now. Okay. ] 19 That's one of the critical issues is the transition 20 plan. Now, I have a plan to drop all'of the staff 21 augmentation people in the next 30 to 60 days, j 22 They're dropping very rapidly and as.soon as I can 23 unload their work, get the contracts in place, that j 24 work is being transitioned to one of the t'bree prime-25 contractors. The electrical issues is the largest DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 95' 1 single. issue that we have. This right now is the 1 2 ampacity, the splices, vertical drop along cables, 1 3 those things that are being investigated at ? 4 Sequoyah, we're right alongside of Sequoyah; we're 5 watching.what they're doing there and as the results 6 come from the Sequoyah tests or the decisions at 7. Sequoyah we're making our adjustments to encompass i 8: that. 9 l 10 MR. S. A. WHITE: Let'me interrupt for i 11 a second. It's important to recognize why we are 12 doing this transition method we are. One.of the-l, 13 reasons is the tremendous cost savings, but more 14 important than that, I'd expect -- in-fact I guess I 15 have demanded productivity outfit on a' double for 16 what I've been getting. I really except much more 17 productivity than we've got in-the past'from i 18 relatively the same number. So the sooner'we can l 19 make that transition, not only. money saving, but 20 we'll get a lot more productivity. 21 22 MR. J.G. KEPPLER: Are the electrical 23 issue problems worse here at Browns' Ferry than they 24 are at Sequoyah? 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 1

l NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 96 1 MR. PAUL SPEIDEL: No, I don't believe f 2 that they are worse, but the ampacity issue, we have 3 probably as much flammastic in the trace as they 4 have at Sequoyah. We are addressing that. We are 5 doing walkdowns; we're doing some testing; we're l 6 doing some sampling, but I don't think that they are 7 any worse. I 8 i 9 MR. JOHN FOX: The studied judgment 10 is as you are aware of, we've repulled like 125 11 cables at Sequoyah on Unit One. I think the number 12 that's being commanded about here is an educated ( 13 guess. (answer inaudible) -- Walk through. It's 14 like 200 cables of Unit Two. So we are expecting to ) l 15 have to repull more cables, replace cable, j 16 17 MR. PAUL SPEIDEL: And the last issue 18 is the conditions adverse to quality. Why that soft 19 is we need to quickly get our hands around and make 20 good solid assessments of the remaining work, if 21 any, that is being directed by any conditions 22 adverse to quality identification, that we have a 23 backlog of those we're working them off attempting 24 to get this resolved and understood. g 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 97 l 1 MR. J.G. KEPPLER: Are you people i 2 plagued with the same level of validations down here~ 3 that you were up here? i 4 -l 5 MR. S.A.-WHITE: I'm sorry, what?. 7 MR. J.G. KEPPLER: Plagued. 9 MR. MIKE MAY: Not as many specific on 10 Browns' Ferry. Of course, the number we considered 11 from a generic standpoint. We considered almost.the 12 same number. It turned-out that it's not as much. { 13 14 MP. J.G. KEPPLER: You didn't have any j 15 site specific -- 16 17 MR. S.A. WHITE: Are you referring to 18 Watts Bar? 19 l 20 MR. MASON:. Watts Bar. 21 22 MR. J.G..KEPPLBR: Are you turning up 23 a lot of problems down here:with employees. 24 25 MR. POMREHN: The old program, the DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 d, o s r - i ' rii

I i NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 98 l I Watts Bar stuff is similar to what's happening at {.- 2 Sequoyah. Not a lot of physical work done out of 3 that. Our new program, I don't think.it is -- 4 5 MR. S.A. WHITE: I think it's lower, 6; but we will get the accurate numbers and furnish 7 them to you. 8 1 9 MR. HUGO POMREHNr. We'll let Ivan Holt i 10 show his organization and the fact that it' ties back 'l 11 into corporate perspectives on our materials control 12 equipment. Ivan. { 13 14 MR. IVAN HOLT: My name is Ivan Holt. I 15 represent the procurement part of the EPC. hhen I' 1 16 arrived here in August everyone was saying that our 17 materials problem was a purchasing problem. It j 18 turned out not to be the case at all. 19: People tend think.of procurement solely in l .20 terms of purchasing when, in fact,.ceveral i 21 organizations and interf aces nake up the procurement ] 22 process and that's where we fotnd our problem'in i 23 procurement, not purchasing,:end we found'some q 24 disconnects between these orgKnizations. 'I've seen 25 Mr. White's corporate presentation.on materials-4 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205).350-24 64 i ~

a NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 99 1 management and I want to give you an overview .2 briefly of our program to support those commitments. 3 '4 sMR. HUGO POMREHNr This chart is 5 several pages back in your package replaced by, I 6 think, two sheets. q 7 i 8 MR. IVAN' HOLT: Okay. We're committed l 9 to achieve a consistency with the' materials programs 10 across all of our nuclear sites'within TVA. The OMP 11 materials manager, Mr. Tom Childs, has become-a 12 catalyst to achieve this. We have regular meetings 1 J ( 13 and frequent contacts with Mr. Childs-and the rest 14 of the site materials managers. Our goal is to 15 develop consistent common procedures that covers 16 every site and common practices'that are the'same 17 from site to site. 18 We are receiving full corporate support to 19 achieve our goalsiin materials. And'with the site 20 management support, corporate,-we're well on our-way 21 to getting there. 22 You will note the organization chart has 23 both solid and dotted lines on it. It doesn't 24 natter as far as achieving the goals. It's some of 25 the organizations are matrix to me, some are hard DECATUR, ALABAMA (205)'350-2464'

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 100 1 line to me. We've achieved an integrated 2 procurement organization that's committed to doing 3 the job. It doesn't matter what the reporting 4-relationships are. 5 Degin on.the left side with the material 6 planning. Now, we've put material planners within 7 the DNE organization, working directly with the 8 design engineers, with modifications and with-q t 9 maintenance, working right directly with those 10 engineers to get an early awareness of material 11 needs. This group then reserves the materials that 12 are in inventory and if it's not an inventoried 13 item, they begin the procurement process. They 14 expedite the entire requisition process to get a 15 contract placed. The contracts c.:gineering group is 16 being staffed by the DNE with disciplined engineers 17 and they're to develop the technical and quality 18 requirements. The rest of the organization i 19 basically performs their traditional functions, but i 20 it's important to note that in purchasing and i 21 expediting which is a centralized. activity within P.2 TVA in Chattanooga, we have coordinators.here on the- ~ 23 site which gives-us a total integrated procurement 24-team for the Browns' Ferry site that' work. 25 hand-in-hand, direct face-to-face contact with all i DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

i ) NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 101 I the organizations that puts it together with k 2- -procurement. That's'our process. 3 We're involved in several major upgrade, 4 get-well type activities. We have a warehouse 5 get-well' program. When I came in August, it was not 6 in good shape. We've come a long way; we've still j ] -7 got a lot of work'to go, but that's_a 11ajor. program j 8 we've. undertaken. We're improving our requisition 9 process; the material statusLtracking is undergoing 10 improvement; the inventory is undergoing evaluation k 11 and adjustment. Another major program that we're j 12 getting into is a component piece parts 13 qualification program. Now, we're still in the 14 process of defining our program. We're not there-15 with it yet. It's going to be based on-the sequoyah' i 16 program which you'are familiar with. And we should 17 be ready to. discuss in detail with you this program j 18 in the next four to six weeks. 19 l i 20 MR.- J.G. KEPPLER: How many of these 21 special programs? I've heard ampacity; I've heard 22 cables; I've heard piece-parts, designing -- 23 24 MR. S.A. WHITE: The answer should be 25 all, but I'll let -- DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464-

i l NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 102 ] i 1 i i 'l i 2 MR. JOHN FOX:. There are really two 3 unique ones, I believe.. IGSCC and PRA are the two l 4 differences from Sequoyah. .Other than that -- 5 1 6 MR. S.A. WHITES ~ In -terms of the 7 program you were talking about, they,better'be allL j I 8 the same.- 1 I i 10 MR. FOX: They are being run'the 11 same -- 1 I 12 l 13 MR. S.A. WHITE:, Changes will be when 14 we've learned something at Sequoyah -- 15 16 -MR. KEPPLER: I guess'what I was 17 asking, I didn't have an appreciation that you were i 18 doing all these same things that were. planned. 'And l 19 that's because of the way in-which the problems were i 20 found or surfaced. They had the same-capability-21 to -- 22 .l 23 MR. JOHN FOX: Sure. 24 1 25 MR. S.A. WHITE: Primarl'ly until DECATUR, ALAB AMA - (205) 350-2464-

NORTH ALABAMA'REPORTfNG SERVICE 103 1 1 operation opetator problems and now what that we've \\: 2 similar to Sequoyah.<WAO*E> <EFPLT> <KWFPLT>.. Knew 3 <PHER> Rick. Comes along way. <STPHRFPLT>. i 4 5 MR. KEPPLER: That is in.some ways, 6 though. You're not'having to revamp -- ) 7 8 MR. S.A. WHITE: No, WE 've learned a 9 lot of lessons. Hopefully we're using them here at' 1 10 Browns' Ferry. 11 12 MR. J.G. KEPPLER: But it does help i i 13 the review process for us? 14 15 MR. S.A. WHITE:' Oh,.yes. k lot of 16 the things that require review and; painstaking 17 decisions and so forth are' more~ pressing, I think. 18 19 MR. J.G. KEPPLER: What was coming-i 20 through to me is much of the -- not such, but a fair .j l 21 amount -- of the review process the_' staff has had.to 22 go through for-Sequoyah iti many ways should not have 23 to be duplicated down here. 24 25 MR. S.A. WHITE:- We surely; hope so. DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 1:

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 104 2 MR. J.G. KEPPLER: So 'I guess I would 3 make a plea with you that where the programs have ) i 4 differences, that we fully appreciate those I ) 5 differences up front. j 6 7 MR. S.A. WHITE: Okay. ] l 8 j 1 9 MR. IVAN HOLT: At this time I would { 10 like to introduce Ronnie Young, our acting 11 modifications manager. 12 13 MR. RONNIE YOUNG: Thank you. I would 14 like to describe for you the schedule of the j ) 15 modifications plans to follow over the next several ) I 16 months before the restart of the Browns' Ferry Unit 17 Two. As we understand the scope of work today, 18 there are in excess of 800,000 craft manhours to be 39 expended. As mentioned earlier by Mr. Speidel, the 20 large block of work we see ahead of'us is the 21 ampacity issue. This accounts for some 25 percent 22 of the work that we plan to do. We also have a 23 large bicch of work covered by Seismic issues that 24 we plan to do. If those items are to be reduced in 25 scope as we undeistand them today+ our curvcs will DECATUR, ALALAMA (205) 350-2464 I--

'MORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 105 I drop down; naturaily, if.they are increased,.they i-2 will also increase. We presently do not see any 3 problems in expending these manhours either inLan. 4 area of a saturation of personnel or in the area of' 5 man power peaks. We plan to use multishift 6 operation rather than overtime to accomplish this 7 schedule. T and L manhours, T and L man power'we 8 expect to peak out something less than 700.and g 9 annual salary policy, which is non-manual, we expect 10 to peak something-just.over 200, 11 To go over some problems that we've had and 12 some of the solutiors that we have:come up with in i 13 the modifications area, have several bullets to-14 describe those. First one has been in the area of 15 procedures. We have quite a bit of trouble in our 16 modifications organization over the last several 17 years in performing to procedures. We have now a 18 dedicated training effort to make sure the' engineers" 19 we have working for us, and craftsman, understand 20 the procedures and perform to'them. Our work 21 packages have not~been as good as they should have 22 been;~our work packages varied greatly between the-23 people who wrote them. Eachlperson had his'own iden 24 about how the work package should read; mine looked 25 different that someone else'st theirs looked DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

i NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 106 1 different than another. When they got to the QC' 2 organization, they.couldn't understand what'they ) 3 vere saying. We have been working very closely'with 4 QC organization, Mr. Turner's group, over the last 5 f ew weeks to try to standardize work plans. When we 6 pull a cable and write the words in the work plan, 7-this is how you pull a cable, my worde should be the 8 same as anybody else's words..The whole point 9 should be the,same and it should be agreed upon with 10 the QA organization in advance. That's our goal; 11 that's what we are working.toward now. ] -J 12 Material buy-out problems. Ivan just went 13 over with you, the problem that we've had in 14 material buy-out. What we're doing now is the 15 modifications used as material once-it gets on site.- l 16 There have been some problems in getting the I 17 material to the field expeditiously. We're doing 18 four things that are increasing our ability to.get 19 products to the field. We're doing off shift 20 staging of bulk material in an area near the 21 modifications organization,.still under the l 22 controlled warehouse, but' physically-closer to the 23 job site;-we're palletizing ECN materials 1in advance 24 off shift also, so when the material arrives in the 25 field, it's prepackaged in the unit devoted-stri'ctly DECATUR,' ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 -a

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 107 1 to one ECN. These two items have caused I 2 modifications also to do advance planning to make I 3 sure we get the stuff where it needs to be in a 4 reasonable amount of time. We have also established 5 mini-warehouses within the building. This may not. i 6 sound like a big item, but it is. If'a man is down 7 there working and needs an extra grinding rock, he 8 can go to a site within the building and get it and 9 not have to go clear back to the warehouse as we 10 have done in the past. Another item we've had 11 problems with before is design support. Paul 12 Speidel mentioned earlier that he has set up a 1 i. 13 separate organization to handle field problems i 14 separate from his organization thet produced new ] 15

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-That's in place now. The engineering. 16 support unit takes care of our'FCR's that we 17 generate in the field. We're also working with DNE 18 to establish construction poll points and in his 19 design process, make sure the constructibility is 20 considered and also that Paul prioritizes~his work 21 in a method that would support work in the field. 22 We have some good examples of this recently. We are 23 rebuilding the dry well steel.- Working with Paul's 24 organization, we have scheduled the drawings to come 25 out by quadrant so we don't have all the drawings DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

i NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE L108 i 4 1 for one area of dry well steel being issued at.once j i 2 so that we can't' work but.just a few people out .3 there. We're spacing the issue of the drawings to 4 support our organization. We have a growing l 5 backlog. We have a backlog and a continually l 6 growing. backlog of old work. plans. These work plans ] ] .7 were developed for a number of years. We're 8 establishing a manager in our organization whose 9 sole job is'to prioritize and close out old i I 10 backlogged paper. 11 Finally, we are in process of recruiting 12 engineers. Goods news here is that all of our key f ( 13 managers are in place. We have a good staff of 14 managers who represent a wide variety of other 15 utilities as well as some with longtime TVA 16 experience. We are in the process of recruiting 17 engineering personnel to replace-staff: augmentation 18 personnel that we have relied upon in the past. 19 Does anyone have any questions?. 20 21 MR. HUGO POMREHN: I want to take a 1 22 few more minutes to tell you how-we put all this i 23 together into a planning process and I think it's 24 important to know we're in,the outage management 25 approach to this. Gary Valenzano is assisting in .) DECATUR, ALABAMA' (205) 350-2464 1

j NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE .109 4 1 this effort. Our outage manager is on leave this 2 week, Jim Swindell, a:TVA person. And let's just 3 take a few more minutes _and I think we_can get to 4 the bottom line. 5 l 6 MR. GARY VALENZANO: Outage. management' 7 has been set up here at Browns' Ferry for about the 8 past'three months. It provides -- a portion of the 4 4 9 responsibilities are to provide a' fully integrated y 10' plan for restart, allows them to monitor the { ',1 11 progress against the plan, and to set the schedule. l J i 12 The approach to schedule development we've used here I 13 at Browns' Ferry is a scope understanding, a shaking 14 down process that we've gone through over the-past i 15 three to six months,.an integration of all work 16 group activitios~with'the system testing and system 17 return to service dates, defining key plant restart 18 milestones such as fuel loads, and definition of.our 19 planning tools,_what are we' going to use to monitor 20 ourselves, what are we going to use-to interface 21 with. We define Level One being our site summary 22 schedule or outage restart plan. The Level Two 4 23 being our projects and-program plan and the Level-1.i 24 Three being our sites data base-for integrating all 25 those activities together. Currently we're going DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464 i s

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICC 110 1 through the tail ends of the refining process. t 2 We've identified ' tall poles in the tent', the bad I 1 3 actors so to speak, and we've been resolving those 4 on a case by case basis. They're work items or 5 modification work or programs that complete later 6 than that required to meet a reasonable completion f I 7 date or restart date. Some of them have yet to be 8 resolved. We continue to have issues that appear to 9 be ' tall poles' and we'll go after those on a. case f 10 by case basis as we have in the past. 11 The result after all this takes place will ) 1 12 be the schedule for Browns' Perry restart Unit Two. ] l 13 The use of the schedules is for visibility of all 14 the work, all of the programs, all of the issues, 15 all of the interfaces, including those with the NRC. j 16 It will allow us to monitor performance to 17 that restart plan. And it will allow us to hold our 18 people accountable for their particular portion of 19 that restart plan. 20 Restart schedule structure. Level One 21 schedule, as we finalize it, will contain all of the i 22 technical programs such as seismic, EQ, Appendix R, 1 23 all of the major plant restart milestones and all of 24 the other programs, for example, employee concerns, 25 operational readiness and most notably, the DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

EORTH ALABAMA REPORTING' SERVICE _ '111 l 1 l 1 licensing issues. j 2 Finalization of the schedule. We're in the 3 process now of continued schedule refinement. We're 4 tying the individual modification activities to the 5-restart test sequence and the plant restart 6 milestones. We're resolving open scope issues. 1 7 You've heard'from Mr. Speidel about the electrical 8 issues and most-notably of.those, the ampacity. ] 9 question which amounts to"about 25 or 30 percent of 10 the two bill modifications. We' don't. understand the 11 impact of-those issues.yet. We see that if we do a 12 total scope of ampacity, there is a possibility that i 13 its concurrent work activities could affect.the 14 restart test schedule, since they are all electrical 15 in nature. We will understand that scope better in 16 three or four weeks and better yet in another eight 17 weeks. We have the NRC interface to finalize, 18 Currently, as you heard.from Mr. May-earlier, there-19 is a recognition of a great deal of TVA'and NRC 20 activity to restart Unit Two.' He mentioned 28 SER's-21 to prepare, twenty-to thirty tech spec revisions.and' 21 reviews. We need to understand these, the lead' 23 times and we need to understand their interface and 24 their relationship to the overall' restart plan. l'o r 25 the first time tomorrow, the TVA, NRC scheduled DECATUR,. ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTIWG SERVICE 112 q 1 interf ace meeting will ' utilize the. Licensing Level ( 2' Two. 'The Licens'ing Level Two will contain the -i 3 summary of all.the program activities for licensing 4 and the interface with the NRC. We'will hope to 5 resolve any differences with the NRC and to be.able 6-to see thel effects of those, any-differences on!our -1 -1 1 7 ultimate restart plan. We need the NRC ] 8 understanding of that plan and of courseEthat's the 9 purpose of tomorrow's initial meeting. And that's -10 all'I ihave.- Are there any~ questions?. 11 j 12 MR. HUGO POMREHN: I think that went ( 13 awfully fast, but if you. heard Paul and Ivan and i 14 Ronnie Young tell you where'the hard spots were in ) ~ 15 our minds, it's dwelled in the electrical issues and 16 the NRC interface. We're going to be developing the- ] 17 details of those areas in the next short term in 18 order to turn this plan and process into a. schedule. ) 1 19 I would like at.that point to open,it up for 20 questions or-comments'and Mr. White, any: statement 21 you would like to make. As'far'as we're concerned, ~ 22 you've'seen the Browns' Ferry team today'. My'only. 23 concern is that we went too fast, but we" expect you-1 24 back'and detail.some of these.. issues. 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464-l

L NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 113 l 1 MR. S.A. WHITE: No, I would just 2 offer a few comments, one being that in the past-3 year or so, there have been what I've observed, 4 situations at Browns' Ferry, have been very dramatic 5 changes and improvement in a number of areas. We l 6 hit on some such as the training technical..Some '7 very very dramatic changes and.those do not come 8 . easily. They are the result of a lot of hard work 9 and a lot of people, most of whom are'doing their 10 job, but I watched this today. It doesn't mean we i 11 don't have a long way to do, but we made'significant l 12 progress. I also look forward to more. meeting 13 because it will allow us to the first chance to look 14 at our plan and to properly relate your requirements I 15 in that plan so that we.can come out.with-a 16 schedule, a schedule which both TVA and'the NRC 17 could support. I'm particularly interested in-the 18 closing meeting today where'any issues that the NRC-g 19 has, any hard spots that they see that we have not 20 recognized, I think it's very important that we, as 21 we did at Sequoyah,"we get thone on the table as 22 soon as we can so that they can be' properly' 1 23 addressed. 24 25 MR. J.G. KEPPLER: Well,'let me thank DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464-

NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE 114 1 you for the meeting. I think it served the purpose 2 which I wanted it to serve. And I really have not 3 had any kind of familiarity with what the thinking 4 was of TVA with respect to restart, programs that 5 you have to deal with, and frankly, I had a lot of-6 interest in how the plant was being maintained, what 7 kinds of attitudes and morale I found out here. And 8 I leave with a good feeling. I certainly felt the j 9 plant was in very good condition compared to what I 10 thought I would find. And I realize you keep 11 chiding a little bit on don't say it's too good 12 because we have certain standards, but I would rate 13 the plant high on its appearance and upkeep. 14 There's a lot of areas and such and a lot of work 15 going on in there that still needs attention, but 16 it's very pleasing for me to be to be able to walk 17 in parts of the plants where normally I would have 18 to have protective clothing to get into. And I 19 appreciate that kind of attention because it shows a 20 sense of pride, it shows a sense of discipline, I 21 think it's healthy. 22 We've got a lot to do here like we have at 23 Sequoyah. When I came on to work in this project I 24 felt like -- I felt frustrated because there was so 25 many things to do and I felt like I couldn't attack DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

NORT3 ALABAMA REPORT 1NG. SERVICE 115 1 them fast enough and.I'm'sure you've gone through 2 that period many times, but when you stop and.look 3 back, my staff and I have been on board now three-4 months, and I didn't think we'd make any. progress in 5 the first three months, and I think we are making 6 progress. We,'ve got tos now' repeat that cycle for '7 Browns' Ferry. .I think we're making progress with 8 'TVA'and Sequoyah and we've got a;1ot to do here and 9' I think the people come with perhaps.a little higher 10 sense of enthusiasm today, and as we progress,'there 11 will be a lot of give and take between us just like 12 there is at Sequoyah and I look with optim'sm at i 13 Browns' Ferry people and want to get'on.the job'with 14 them. i 15 16 MR. S.A. WHITE: Thank you very much. i 17 18 MR. J.G. KEPPLER: It's been very-l l 19 useful to us. l 20 '21 MR. S.A. WHITE: Thank you veri much 22-for your time. 23 24 POMREHN: I'd like to. correct -- 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205):350-2464

. NORTH ALABAMA REPORTING SERVICE '116 1 1 MR. S. A. WHITE: I'd like-to correct 2 the record in one regard, too. There are really 3 four contractors in line and position, the fourth 4' one being an Inpo person we formally don't --.he's a 5- ,loanee so we don't generally. consider him a: 6 contractor. 7 8-END OF PROCEEDINGS 9 10 11 12-( 13 14 15 i 16 _] 17 'l J 18 j I 19 l 20 21 22 1 23 1 24 'i i 25-DECATUR, ALABAMA'(205) 350-2464

1 b NORTH ALRBRMA REPORTING SERVICE i i i 1 1. ) 2 C_E__R__T I F I CAT E { 3 j 4 1 4 5 STATE OF ALABAMA 6 MORGAN COUNTY 1 i 7 8 I hereby certify that the above and } 9 foregoing deposition was taken down by me.in ) i 10 stenotype and the questions and answers therete were i 11 reduced to typewriting under my supervision; that f 12 the foregoing represents a true and cortect ( ] 13 transcript of the deposition given bl asid witness l 14 upon said hearing. j l 15 I further certify that 7 c7 neither of 16 counsel nor of kin to the parties to the action, nor i 17 an. I in anywise interested in the result of said j 18 cause. 19 20 v&me,j, GFN d,) s. v 21 7anny L. Hastingt i 22 Corrissioner 23 24 25 DECATUR, ALABAMA (205) 350-2464

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I-1 1. INTRODUCTION I-1. 1.0 Purpose I-1 2.0 Plan Arrangement I-2

3.0 Background

4.0- Outline of TVA's Approach to Solving BFN's Problems 1-3 II II. CONDUCT OF BROWNS FERRY ACTIVITIES 1.0 Strengthening BFN Management and Organization 12-2. II-2 1.1 Corporate-Support II-3 1.2 Site Organization-1.2.1 Site Director / Deputy Site Director II-3 1.2.2 Site Director's Staff II-5 II-6a 1.2.3 Plant Organization 1.2.4 Site Services II-10' 1.2.5 Site Project Engineering II 1.2.6 Site Quality Assurance II-14a 1.2.7 Site Licensing II-17a 4 1.2.8 Site Modifications II 1.3 Responsibility, Accountability, Authority II-22 1.4 Plant Management Experience.and Training 11-23 1 II-27 ) 2.0 Management Control and Involvement 2.1 Management. Goals and Objectives II-27d 2.2 Commun'ication with Employees II-29 -II-30s 2.3. Training Program II-35 l 2.4 Procedures Upgrade 11-40 2.5 . Corrective Action II-42 2.6 Quality Assurance Program II-46 ) 2.7 Employee Concerns II-53 l 2.8-Plant-Performance Monitoring Program 11-54 2.9-Fitness for. Duty Program 1 .i

Revision 1 TABLE OF CONTENTS (Continued) Page ,mi 3.0 Plant Operations II-55 i 4.0 Maintenance Program II-59 5.0 Plant Surveillance Program 11-65 6.0 Radiological Control and Chemistry Improvement II-66 l 7.0 Plant Security II-73 8.0 Emergency Preparedness II-76 i 9.0 Site Scheduling 11-78 III. SPECIAL PROGRAMS III-I 1.0 Environmental Qualification of Electrical Equipment 111-1 2.0 Configuration Manegement III-11 3.0 Seismic Design Program III-24 4 '. 0 Design Calculation Review - Electrical. III-30b Mechanical, Nuclear and Civil '*} 5.0 Fire Protection Imptrvement III-35 6.0 Plant Welding Program III-39 7.0 Intergranular Stress Corrosion Cracking III-41 8.0 Restart Test Program III-48 j 9.0 Instrument Sensing Lines III-51 10.0 Wall Thinning Assessment Program III-51 ) (Pipe Erosion / Corrosion) 11.0 Probablistic Risk Assessment III-53 12.0 Component and Piece Part Qualification 131-53 13.0 Electrical Issues 111-55 i 14.0 Miscellaneous Programs 111-59' i III 14.1 Q-List Program III-60 -l 14.2 Moderate Energy Line Brent Flooding 14.3 Containment Coatings III-60 s 14.4 Platform Thermal Growth III-60 14.5 Heat Code Traceability III-60' i ^ 11 i i

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OF BR0k'NS FERRY COMMITMENTS IV-1 1.0 Description of Commitment List IV-1 2.0 Methodology Used to Identify Restart Items IV-13 3.0.BFN Commitment Listing IV-3a 4.0 Coordination of BFN Outage and Restart Activities IV-Aa= V. OPERATIONAL READINESS PROGRAM V-1 V-1 1.0 Introduction V-1 2.0 Purpose V-1 3.0 Scope 4.0 Method V V-2 5.0 Implementation V-4 6.0 Reporting 7.0 Independent Recdiness Revisw .V-4, l V-4 8.0 Nuclear Safety Review Board APPENDIX A RESPONSE TO 10 CFR 50.54(f) C?NCERNS 1.0 Response to Specific NRC Questions 1.1 Site Mana$ement Improvemtnt 1.2 Operational Readiness and RPIP 1.3 Maintenance Improvement Program 1.4 Integrated Schedule 1.5 Seismic Design Evaluation: 1.6 Design Control. 1.7 Disposition of Contractor Recommendations 1.8 Environmental Qualification 1.9 ' Independent Safety Engineering Group 1.10 Requests for Additional Information 1.11 Appendix R and Fire Protection 2.0 SALP Responses 111.

f Revision 1 TABLE OF CONTENTS (Continusd) k I APPENDIX B EVALUATION OF CONTRACTOR RECOMMENDATION" APPENDIX C RESUMEL APPENDIX D TRACKING SYSTEM LISTING APPENDIX E RESPONSE TC NRC QUESTIONS I 1 1 9 I i 1 ) iv

Revision 1 TVA NUCLEAR PERFORMANCE PLAN - VOLUME 3 Browns Ferry Nuclear Plant I Figures, Tables, Attachments Page. .i II. CONDUCT OF BROWNS FERRY ACTIVITIES II-4 h Figure 11-1 Site Organization Figure II-2 Plant Organization IF7 i Figure II-3 Site Services Organization IS 11 ] Figure II-3a Site Project Engineering Organization JI-11a 1 Figure II-4 Site Quality Assurance Organization II-16 Fi5ure II-F Site Licensing Organization II-18 ^ Figure ~II-6 Site Medifications Organization II-216 l .] j III. SPECIAL PROGRAMS Table III-1 Information heluded on the 50.49 List III-9 4 Table III-2 Information Included on the 50.49 Spare III-IO Parts List Table III-3 Systems Evaluat#d In Analysis Phase III-17 Table III-4 Electrical Calculations Required f or Unit.2 III-34 Restart Table III-5 Sumary of Piping and S6fe End Inspection III-42 Results Table III-6 Sumary of IGSCC Mitigation and Repair Measures .III-43 Table III-7 Intergranular Stress Corrosion Cracting (IGSCC)- III-46 Mitigation Plans IV.

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