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| Issue date: | 10/03/1986 |
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ORGNAL UNITED STA.iES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION IN THE MATTER OF:
DOCKET NO: 50-443 OL 50-444 OL PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY ON SITE EMERGENCY PLANNING '
OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, et al.
AND TECHNICAL ISSUES (Seabrook Station, Units 1 and 2)
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2
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BEFORE THE ATOMIC SAFETY AND LICENSING BOARD 4
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In the Matter of:
6 PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY OF Docket Nos. 50-443-OL NEW HAMPSHIRE, ET AL.
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Onsite Emergency Planning (Seabrook Station, Units 1& 2 and Technical Issues 8
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Howard Johnson's Motor Lodge 10 Interstate Traffic Circle Salons A & B 11 Portsmouth, New Hampshire Friday, Octpber 3, 1986-13 The Limited Appearance Session reconvened, l
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JUDGE WOLFE:
All.right.
The limited 3
appearance-session is now'open.
I have received a 4
telegram, in which they, as the telegram will indicate, 5
ask me.to read the telegram as part of this person's 16 limited appearance statement.
The sender is P.
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7 from Brookline, Massachusetts,. Ten Taxpayers versus 8
Seabrook.
9 It reads:
"Your Honor, we request that this 10 testimony be read into the record of Seabrook-hearing.
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-11 Consent of1the governed is prerequisite to democracy.
We 12 cannot consent to Seabrook's nuclear station because it 13 mortally endangers our families and property.
An 14 explosion in the steam chambers could breach both heat.
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" Tidal currents from the Seabrook outfall, t
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19 coastal waters, would contaminate our 100 square'ailes of i
20 river, estuaries and marshes extending 14 miles from 21 Seabrook to Gloucester, having 200,000 inhabitants.
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23 property, without our consent, by radioactive contaminants 24 released into our homes and environment."
4 25 All right.
I will call, first, Minnie Clark.
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minutes to make your limited statement.
3 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 4
MINNIE CLARK 5
MS. CLARK:
I will do the best I can.
6 JUDGE WOLFE:
We will give you a minute 7
warning, and please limit yourself to five minutes because 8
there are other people that wish to make limited 9
appearance statements.
Finally, if you would, when you 10 come up, spell your last name.
Ms. Clark, your last name, l
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11 12 MS. CLARK:
C-1-a-r-k.
13 JUDGE WOLFE:
Okay.
You are from?
. 14 MS. CLARK:
Portsmouth.
I am representing 15 WAND, Women's Action for Nuclear Disarmament, the 16 statewide membership.
17 I am not going to reiterate everything that 18 has been said, because our feelings are the same.
I 19 Prefer to give two brief personal statements that are my 20 statements, not representative of WAND.
21 I went to Exeter yesterday, and it took me an 22 hour2.546296e-4 days <br />0.00611 hours <br />3.637566e-5 weeks <br />8.371e-6 months <br /> and five minutes -- that's all I want to say on that 23
-- because of the traffic.
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to get to Exeter.
2 Secondly, I used to be the county coordinator 3
for adult education, the~ branch of which was the adult 4
tutorial program.
The objective was to teach illiterates 5
.-- which is not a very nice thing to say, but.that's the 6
genre -- anyone over the age of 16 without a high school 7
diploma.
The illustrious attorneys, I am sure, could 8
shoot holes through my story as hearsay.
I can only give 9
you my word that this is an accurate statement.
One of my.
10 students came to me -- he was a man of 47 years old -- and 11 asked ae if I would teach him to read.
I said, "Sure."
12 IQ tests are not applicable necessarily in 13 these situations.
You teach by the seat of your-pants, by 14 Yankee ingenuity, whatever.
lu5 The man could not read, and in the process of l
16 feeling him out, finding out what he did know as an adult, i
17 what he didn't have, the book learning, if you want to f
l 18 call it that, he didn't have.
He could not read numbers.
19 He couldn't -- I took a tape measure, and I put it.around
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21 or a yardstick.
He couldn't do it.
I asked him -- the 22 carpeting in my room had squares like that [ indicating].
23 Again, I asked him to extrapolate from the ruler to how 24
~that measured to the carpeting.
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I 25 figure out what he knew or didn't know.
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I didn't get too far.
It took quite a long 2
time.
He just truly did not know.
The man was a 3
pipefitter at Seabrook.
And it scared the heart out of 4
me, the more I learned that he didn't kncw, knowing that 5
he was responsible for the internal workings.
6 It came to light that the ingenuity, the 7
intellect, if you will, that he used to cover up his 8
ignorance was marvelous.
I mean, it was wonderful.
But' 9
he was responsible internally inside Seabrook for the 10 building of it, for the the pipefitting, for everything he 11 did.
12 He had a good -- I don't know what word to use AA_)
13 thing going with one of his buddies, that what he 14 didn't know, his buddy knew, and somehow they'd put it all 15 together and think they were okay.
16 When I consider you throwing out contentions 17 that deal with safety or inspections or anything, my heart l'8 just turns over, that this man was there and did work and 19
.had someone gone around behind him and checked it.
t 20 The other point I wanted to make about him --
21 and obviously there has been a lot of press about this and 22 so forth -- I never saw him when he wasn't inebriated, and 23 it was a steady, solid way of life.
It was Tuesday -- I 24 saw him Tuesday night and Saturday mornings, and he was 25 never not inebriated.
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1 So, that is my persona 3 testimony to you, that 2
when you're doing contentions, I hope you will keep that 3
in mind and that the safety of the power plant should be 4
foremost.
Thank you.
5 (Applause) 6 JUDGE WOLFE:
Ms. Clark, I would address you 7
and any other member of the public, and if our 8
jurisdiction is very limited to three issues, none of 9
which involves construction, construction work.
10 I can just tell you and any other person that 11 might have had.such an experience that the'best thing you 12 should do and can do inasmuch as the Board does not have l
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jurisdiction over those sorts of matters, is to write a 13 14 letter to:
James Taylor, Director of the Office of 15 Inspection and Enforcement; 1717 H Street Street, 16 Northwest: Washington, D.C.
20555.
Tell him of your 17 firsthand concerns with respect to such matters, and name 18 names and times.
I am sure that Mr. Taylor will look into
-19 these matters.
20 l So, that is my suggestion to everyone here 21 tonight if they do have such matters of concern, firsthand 22 concern.
All right.
23 We now turn to Debra Butcher.
24 (No response) 25 JUDGE WOLFE:
Robert Smith?
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(No; response) 2 JUDGE WOLFE:
Mary Morse
.3 (No response) 4 JUDGE WOLFE:
Ellen Hirshberg?
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MS. HIRSHBERG:
H-i-r-s-h-b-e-r-g.
9 JUDGE WOLFE:
You are from Kittery?
10 MS. HIRSHBERG:
Kittery Point, Maine.
Just 11 across the river.
12 I am 36 years old.
I have a loving partner, a 13 three-and-a-half-year old son,.a four-month-old son, a.
14 furry, yellow cat, a 90-year-old grandfather, beautiful 15 flower.and vegetable garden, a solar super-insulated owner -
16 built home, time and love to spend with my family and 17 friends and creative work for myself.
18 I do not want to risk all that I have worked 19 for and love if Seabrook goes on line.
I realize that 20 these public comments are not a part of the official l
21 record and will not be used as evidence to determine 22 whether the low-level testing license will be granted.
23 So, I will not try to present facts to you as a judicial c
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People who love to garden, swim, play tennis, hike, read, 2
sing, dance, as people who love to be alive, creative and 3
healthy.
4 You and I are the same.
I appeal to you as 5
loving people to deny this nuclear power plant a low-level 6
testing license.
7 I-realize it mean admitting that we have made i
8 a big mistake.
Nuclear power is not a cheap form of 9
energy.
Energy demands are not increasing as we had 10 Projected in the '50s.
As a matter of fact, by the year 11 2000, credible sources, including the DOE, predict very 12 slight, if any, increase in energy needs.
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13 Nuclear power is not a safe form of energy 14 Production.
We learned this from Three Mile Island, l
15 Chernobyl, and many other examples.
We know all this now, 16 and as a result, no new nuclear -- no new power plants 17 have been ordered since 1978.
So, if we know nuclear 18 Power is not economical, necessary, or safe, why will we 19 go ahead and license Seabrook?
Because it means admitting 20 that we have made a mistake, and that's a hard thing for 21 People to do.
22 If you had unknowingly built a new home, your 23 dream houce, on a chemical waste site and discovered this 24 just before you were to move in, would you move your 25 family into the new house because it was built, because ACE FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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the money was already spent and you felt like there were 2
no alternatives?
I don't think-you would.
I don't think 3
you would be.willing to take the. risk with the people you.
4 love.
I think you'would decide that you had made a 5
mistake and that you would find a solution rather than 6
risk the health of your family.
7 It is not worth the risk to our families to 8
allow Seabrook to test and ultimately. operate.
failed while operating at 5 percent capacity.
An accident 10 could happen here.
Chernobyl happened because of human f
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Human error can happen here.
12 People make mistakes.
It's the hardest thing
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to accept about such a strong, creative species.
We're 13 14 not perfect.
Let's admit it now before it's too late and 15 there is a nuclear accident at Seabrook.
Then, there 16 would be a much larger, more horrible mistake to account i
17 for.
18 Please, as fellow human beings, I ask you to i
19 deny Seabrook a low-level testing license.
20 And I wonder if I could share my space with my
-21 Partner, if I am not finished with my time.
Do I have 22 time left?
23 JUDGE WOLFE:
I am sorry, I don't hear you?
24 MS. HIRSHBERG:
Do I have time left?
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MS. HIRSHBERG:
Oh.
Then I don't.
Thank you.
2 (Applause) 3 JUDGE WOLFE:
I am sorry.
We have been in 4
evidentiary hearings for several days and held limited 5
appearance statements, and I thought -- perhaps without 6
thinking, I assumed -- that you knew our names.
To my
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To my right is Judge Luebeke.
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am Sheldon Wolfe, chairman.
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geologist member.
Judge Luebke is the nuclear physicist 10 member of this Board.
I am the legal member.
11 All right, we will proceed.
12 Harriet Allen?
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Steven Kurtz?
15 (No response) 16 JUDGE WOLFE:
Ben Brunig -- or Pam Brunig.
17 Excuse me.
18 (No response) gg JUDGE WOLFE:
Bob Sharker?
20 (No response) 21 JUDGE WOLFE:
Don Shultz, Judy Shultz?
22 (No response) 23 JUDGE WOLFE:
Steve Forte?
i 24 (No response) 25 JUDGE WOLFE:
John Tuthill.
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JUDGE HARBOUR:
Spell your last name, please.
2 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 3
JOHN TUTHILL 4
MR. TUTHILL:
My name is John Tuthill, and 5
that is spelled T-u-t-h-i-1-1.
6 JUDGE HARBOUR:
From, sir?
7 MR. TUTHILL:
From Ackworth, New Hampshire.
8 JUDGE HARBOUR:
Thank you.
9 MR. TUTHILL:
Judge Wolfe, members of the 10 Board, there is nothing to say.
This is insane.
It is 11 fitting that these hearings are taking place at the end of 12 a runway to a strategic air command base.
That's what has O
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13 brought us all here today together.
It's a course in 14 history.
We have to change that history.
15 You are representing us.
You will have to 16 make a decision for us.
You will decide whether millions 17 and millions of curies of radioactivity are to be produced 18 at Seabrook, New Hampshire.
There is no containment 19 strong enough, no hole deep enough.
Life cannot be 1
20 contained.
In time, the vessels will break, the 21 structures will crumble, and life will pour in as death 22 pours out.
We are alive.
We do not understand what we 23 are doing.
Time is not linear.
So, there is nothing to 24 say.
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question on the process.
Will you, Judge Wolfe, help us 2
to defend ourselves from the insanity that we are all 3
engaged in, or will you continue to try defending these 4
human beings here and what they represent from the people 5
and the past and the present and, I continue to hope, for 6
the future?
Thank you.
7 (Applause) 8 JUDGE WOLFE:
Lisa Ray Horowitz?
9 (No response) 10 JUDGE WOLFE:
Jim Ennis?
11 (No response) 12 JUDGE WOLFE:
Tom Andrews?
13 (No response) 14 JUDGE WOLFE:
Barbara French?
'f 15 LIMITED AFFEARANCE STATEMENT OF 16 TIM LUCEWIREMAN 17 ON BEHALF OF BARBARA FRENCH 18 MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
For the record, my name is 19 Tim Lucewireman.
Barbara asked me to read the statement 20 that she put together.
21 "I am Barbara Connor French, from Henniker, 22 New Hampshire.
I am a parent, and I have taken care of 23 thousands of children in my 24 years as a school nurse.
I 24 am here as a Christian who believes that she is a steward 25 of the Earth and a caretaker of humanity and to speak for l
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the young people and the children and the children of the 2
future.
3 "Today's safety standard of radiation has been 4
snown by several studies to be dangerously high.
When 5
investigators see low doses of ionizing radiation, 6
revealed that levels of radiation lower than were 7
Permitted were causing cancer, government agencies 8
attempted to suppress the findings.
9 "In February 1978, an illustrative case was 4
10 indicated at a hearing before the House Subcommittee on 11 Health and the Environment.
In 1974, the U.S.
Energy 12 Research and Development Administration had funded a study
.k,g) 13 to be conducted by Dr. Thomas Mancuso, a physician and 14 Professor in the Public Health Department at the 15 University of Pittsburgh.
Its purpose was to determine 16 whether low-level radiation induced any discernible 17 biological effects in nuclear workers at two of the oldest 18 and largest atomic reactors, the facilities at Hanford, 19 Washington, and Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
t 20 "Mancuso's study was one of the was one of the 21 broadest industrial epidemiological studies ever 22 undertaken.
After a year's period, he went through one 23 million files and compiled data from the death 24 certificates of 3,700 workers.
Because of the latency 25 Period of carcinogens, his results were negative; that is, O).
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he did not find any incidence of cancer higher than the 2
norms for the general public.
3 "In 1974, the Atomic Energy Commission wanted 4
him to publish his results to refute findings of an 5
independent study conducted by Sam Milham of the 6
Washington State Health Department, in which, after 7
receiving 300,000 case histories at Hanford, he had found 8
that there was a higher rate of cancer among former 9
employees there.
Mancuso refused, claiming that his 10 statistics were incomplete and that he needed more time.
11 "In 1975, the Atomic Energy Commission 12 informed him that his funding wou3d be terminated as of f3
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13 July 1977, and demanded that he surrender his data to the 14 Oak Ridge Laboratories at that time.
Mancuso took 15 advantage of the interim to call the British, Alice 16 Stewart and her associate Dr. George Meade, a 17 biostatistician.
Together, they were scrupulously i
18 studying the material on the Hanford workers.
They came 19 up with results similar to Milham's, and a six-to-seven-20 Percent increase in radiation-related cancer deaths among l
21 the Hanford workers, indicating that the disease is 22 directly related to radioactive exposure at today's 23 acceptable levels.
24 "It is my understand that the NRC's present 25 consideration relating to the existing radiation standards l
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is still pending."
2 JUDGE HARBOUR:
You have one minute remaining.
3 MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
Okay, I will try.to finish 4
it up.
5 "I find that relaxing the standards is totally 6
unacceptable and that in relaxing the standards, we set 7
ourselves up for even more cancer."
8 I will submit the rest to you since I am 9
running out of time.
10 (Applause) 11 JUDGE WOLFE:
Ruth King?
12 (No response) 13 JUDGE WOLFE:
Michael French?
14 (No response) i 15 JUDGE WOLFE:
Zia Braderman?
16 (No response) 17 JUDGE WOLFE:
Thomas and Debra Szabo?
18 (No response) 19 JUDGE WOLFE:
Charles Hayden?
20 (No response) 21 JUDGE WOLFE:
David Bishop?
22 (No response) 23 JUDGE WOLFE:
John Loder?
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MR. LODER:
I am John Loder.
I-live in' 4
2 Rollinsford, New Hampshire.
Judge Wolfe, members of the-3
' board, and ladies and gentlemen.
There is a precept in 4
the law of the Old Roman Republic which says, "That which i
5 touches all must be decided by all."
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7 MR. LODER:
This precept has become embodied 8
in the government of this nation. The day that it is no 9
longer so is the day of our national doom.
This has 10 happened in every other country where this precept has
'11 been abandoned.
f 12 I want to ask the Board how much testimony I
13 have you received on behalf of the commencement, the 1
licensing and the commencement of this Seabrook station?
14 15 I haven't counted how many. people have testified so far in 16 our status -- a reduced one -- but so far I have, heard f
17 none.
18 We demand an opportunity for our voice not 19 only to be heard but to be counted.
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21 this issue.
We are determined there will be.
you may 22 come to us again and again, and each time we will demand i
23 of you the same thing.
One day you will learn that when i
24 you come, you must bring with you the cancellation of this I
25 Project.
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(Applause) 2 MR. LODER:
It represents a technology which 3
has never -- and in all likelihood.will never --~ prove its 4
safety.
Ever.
You are dealing with a genie who outwits 5
you at every turn.
You will never contain it.
It will 6
always get loose.
Eons ago, nature sequestered this form 7
of energy after she had constructed this planet.
She made 8
every effort to hide it underground so that the energies 9
of life could begin.
They are mutually inimical.
They 10 cannot be reconciled.
11 If you do not know it, then you should know 12 that we do..
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13 (Applause) 14 MR. LODER:
Now, I would like us to take some 15 of the hair of the dog that is biting us, and I make the 16 following proposal:
I would like, with the consent and 17 the approval of the public here. I would like to charge 18 this Board to become advocates in our cause, that you will 19 return to Washington and tell them what you are learning 20 here and to remember that you are not our masters, you are 21 our public servants.
22 (Applause) 23 MR. LODER:
You are charged with safeguarding 24 our future.
25 JUDGE HARBOUR:
You have one minute, sir.
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MR. LODER:
In token of this, I should like,-
2 in the name of the public,-I should like to empower this.
3 Board, and in order that they shall return to cut the red 4
tape.
5 (Whereupon, speaker' presents Board with 6
scissors, badge,.and coin.)
7 (Applause) 8 JUDGE WOLFE:
Thank you, sir.
9 MR. LODER:
This is the dime to call ahead of 10 time to tell them that you mean business.
11 (Applause) 12 JUDGE WOLFE:
Dr. Francisco J.
DeLyons?
13 (No response) 14 JUDGE WOLFE:
Frank Lavoie?
15 JUDGE WOLFE:
Could you spell your last name, 16 please, and state where you are from.
17 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 18 FRANK LAVOIE 19 MR. LAVOIE:
L-a-v-o-i-e.
I am from Epping,-
f 20 currently residing in Portsmouth.
l 21 Gentlemen, I am a disabled veteran, disabled 22 from exposure to hard ionizing radiation from working on 23 nuclear weapons in the U.S. Air Force from 1966 to 1969.
24 I was told when I was discharged from the Air Force with a 25 ten percent disability that my condition would get worse l
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as I got older.
I was told by the Air Force at that time 2
that I would probably live to 25.
Later on, I was told by 3
the VA that I might live to 30.
I am now 39.
I am living 4
evidence that not only is there a wide range of dosages 5
and tolerance levels, but a wide range of abilities for 6
the human body to cope with disaster and lousy conditions.
7 However, not all people are blessed with a 8
hardy resistance.
Consequently, not only in your 9
deliberations should there be considerations of the plant 10 operators' exposures, but their wide range of tolerances.
11 The first part of the human physiology to be affected by 12 hard radiation is the central nervous system.
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13 There are a lot of reasons why these questions 14 of onsite safety will always have an unknown factor.
We 15 can project to the best of our current knowledge what we 16 can expect.
But in 1966 I did not have the advantage of 17 dosimetry or film badges.
The Air Force used us as hot 18 workers, with a limited lifespan of time spent on the 19 weapons.
20 I was there because I volunteered, because I 21 willingly gave towards the effort to defend this country.
22 Similarly, our neighbors willingly accept our prime 23 national defense installations here, and those 24 installations, such as the Navy yard, provide us with l
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should happen.
We are dependent on those installations 3
for our protection.
Conversely, we have a responsibility 4
to protect those installations.
Should this not be 5
addressed, I feel we are trading the viability of our own 6
national defense for a little electricity.
7 (Applause) 8 MR. LAVOIE:
The real potential tragedy here 9
is not the technology as much as it is the human error 10 already in place, waiting for the right conditions to 11 compound the formula that we think we know with unknown 12 factors.
The real danger lies in this factor:
that we 13 can always waste more water and more power than we could 14 ever generate, and I don't feel that we should trade off 15 either procedurally our rights or defensively our 16 installations to support a wasteful and decadent 17 lifestyle.
18 (Applause) i 19 JUDGE WOLFE:
Mr. Michael Weddle?
i 20 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 21 MICHAEL WEDDLE 22 MR. WEDDLE:
Thank you for bearing with me.
23 This is my third attempt finally to t;.eak, and I 24 appreciate the opportunity.
25 JUDGE HARBOUR:
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My name is Michael Weddle --
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'I am the Democratic nominee for State i
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I can tell you 5-that I have been to-virtually every house within my ward, 4
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the licensing of Seabrook.
8' Before I begin, I would like to quote Marshall 4
9 Berman, of the Sandia National Laboratories.
In an NRC-10 financed report in 1984, he declared, "The likelihood of a J
11 steam explosion breaking through a hole in a U.S. nuclear i
12 containment ranges between the impossible and the
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Somehow, that seems to be about the only i
14 sensible remark I have heard from an NRC-financed report.'
15 To give as background, in the period of 1984-a 16 1985, there were 3,000 mishaps reported.by utilities to 17 the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
At least 100 plants in 18 37 states experienced accidents, near-accidents,. plant 19 shutdowns, and incident examples of inept plant i
j 20 management.
The average number of mishaps per reactor was 21 26 in 1984 and 31 in 1985.
22 As Seabrook is said to be built so safe an 23 accident is unlikely, Chernobyl was said to be the Soviet i
24 Union's safest and cleanest operating nuclear reactor.
No 25 accident was expected to occur at Chernobyl.
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the first being that a nuclear reactor operating at the 3
slightest capacity -- Chernobyl was at approximately six 4
percent -- can produce a radioactive particle release 5
equivalent to all the atomic weapons ever set off or 6
tested in the Earth's atmosphere.
7 The second, and perhaps the most crucial 8
discovery for us here at Seabrook, is very directly a 9
concern.
For the first time, an analysis now exists as to 10 how to respond to a major nuclear accident where a core 11 meltdown has occurred.
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14 The Soviets dug tunnels beneath the earth's surface to 15 entirely encase the graphite process in a cement tomb.
16 Three Mile Island, I believe, was a different sort of 17 accident and did not require entombment, but I think we 18 can all agree it was less severe than the nature of 19 Chernobyl.
20 Were an accident on the level of Chernobyl to 21 occur in the United States, it is very likely that we 22 might have to resort to entombment as our means of 23 response.
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2 So, consequently, it is very important that we 3
examine the geology of the earth below the Seabrook 4
Plant.
While constructing the plant's foundation and the 5
cooling tunnels, the workers had to vehemently pump 6
seawater.
The bottom line is a dry hole can't be dug 7
below the facility.
The bedrock that lies beneath the 8
facility has cracks, fissures, and faults.
Some have 9
seawater within them.
One fissure was so large it 10 required a mending, and is mentioned in one of the NRC 11 reports.
12 The bedrock itself, therefore, is an n()
13 unreliable base for the purpose of entombment.
Tunneling 14 would prove far too difficult and would require too much 15 time in order effectively to respond to an emergency.
16 In the event of an accident similar to that of 17 Chernobyl, it might well be impossible, given the geologic 18 conditions below the plant, to entomb the facility as the 19 Russians did at Chernobyl.
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20 geophysicists somehow conclude an entombment of the i
21 facility is possible, then we have to reexamine the area's 22 seismicity in order to understand if an entombment can 23 withstand an earthquake.
24 Grant you, you have built a very strong 25 building, and from what I hear, it is*the strongest
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But I don't know if you could entomb the 3
facility to withstand an earthquake.
4 There is new geologic evidence that exists 5
today that did not exist when the initial seismicity 6
hearings took place.
Now noted on New Hampshire's new 7
geological map is a fault labeled the Portsmouth Fault.
8 This map is a preliminary printing of the yet-to-be-9 Published final version, on record at the State 10 Geologist's Office at the University of New Hampshire.
11 The Portsmouth Fault can also be seen on a 12 topography of the Northern Appalachian satellite photo (n_)
13 complied from synthetic aperture radar imaging, published 14 in 1985 by Donald U. Weiss and Lois T. Grady of the 15 Department of Geology and Geography at the University of 16 Massachusetts in Amherst.
17 Also noteworthy, there was evidence of 18 serpentine and slickensides in the tunnel debris that was 19 removed from Seabrook.
So, it is known that the 20 earthquake possibilities exist, and all geologists, 21 certainly the ones in the area, agree that they are 22 unpredictable.
23 The bottom line is that were the area to 24 become contaminated, not only would we lose our 25 communities, our homes, and everything precious, but the ACE FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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national security via the presence of Pease Air Base, 3
which has a vital link to supply NATO, and the Navy yard, 4
which is one of nine shipyards of similar kind in the 5
country.
Were we to lose those facilities, we would not 6
be able effectively to defend our country.
7 One last quote.
I would like to quote Edward 8
Brown, New Hampshire yankee president, who quoted Dr. Eric 9
S.
Bekjord (phonetic), visiting professor at MIT:
"It 10 appears now that events at Chernobyl do not pose new and 11 unreviewed safety questions beyond those considered in the 12 Seabrook Final Safety Analysis Report."
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13 Well, Ed Brown has no idea what is going on.
14 He would, by continuing to advocate the startup of 15 Seabrook, potentially place our communities and national 16 defenses in jeopardy.
He may look at Seabrook and see a 17 beautiful building.
But I look past Seabrook and I see a 18 beautiful community.
I look past my beautiful community 19 and I see a beautiful state.
I look past my state and I 20 see a beautiful nation.
And beyond my nation is a 21 beautiful planet -- and I don't want you to destroy it.
22 Thank you.
23 (Applause) 24 JUDGE WOLFE:
Is there a Jane Tuthill?
Jane?
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Mr. Lucewireman?
2 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 3
TIM LUCEWIREMAN 4
MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
Here I am again.
I am Tim 5
Lucewireman, spelled L-u-c-e-w-i-r-e-m-a-n.
I will have 6
less trouble reading my own writing.
7 I am here just to make a few comments about 8
what the people know, what the people in this community 9
know and what people across the state know.
Atomic energy 10 generates fission bomb-building materials first and 11 foremost.
Electricity is the by-product.
12 Cesium-137, which is used to irradiate our 13 food, is'being used so that the DOD and the NRC can 14 reprocess spent fuel and other high-level radioactive 15 waste to generate more plutonium for bombs.
The people 16 know low-level radiation is as dangerous as any level of 17 radiation, and probably more dangerous to the human gene 18 D001-19 Standards for permissible levels of radiation 20 are totally subjective, since the NRC has set standards 21 based solely on economic advantages versus human life.
22 The insurance of nuclear power plants is a i-23 farce.
People know that.
If they are so damned safe, why 24 don't private insurance companies insure them?
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MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
People know that the 2
financial cost of nuclear power -- not the human cost, not 3
the biological cost -- the financial cost of nuclear 4
generated electricity is immense:
the daily operations, 5
the government research, which is not calculated into the 6
daily operations; the management of wastes, which the 7
taxpayer pays for through the Department of Energy's 8
budget, which the utility does not have a great 9
responsibility for; the mining, which again we have 10 tailings lying all over the countryside in the Western 11 United States that no one is claiming responsibility for; 12 and ultimately, the total underestimation of 13 decommissioning of nuclear power plants throughout this 14 country.
15 I am amazed at the way utilities get paid for 16 electricity.
Paying on capital investment is probably the 17 most asinine thing I have seen in a long, long time.
I 18 wish it would come to the pet industry.
I have my own 19 business to run, and yet I have spent a lot of time i.
l 20 listening to the stuff that has gone on here this week, 21 and I am amazed that capital investment, percentage of 22 such, is the way we pay our utilities, and not some more 23 reasonable scheme.
24 The people know that graphite-moderated 25 reactors used for weapons production plutonium exists in i
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reactor.
The people know that one curie of radioactivity 3
is equivalent to 37 billion atomic disintegrations per.
4 second.
5 Nuclear energy undermines the roots of 6
democracy.
The people know they do not want Seabrook.
7 (Applause) 8 MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
The law must be changed to 9
stop the nuclear industry completely and absolutely.
You 10 can help.
The NRC can help.
You must make a moral 11 decision because it is strictly a moral decision.
12 (Applause)
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13 MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
The overwhelming evidence 14 indicates that cancer-causing, gene-mutilating radiation 15 that nuclear power plants produce threatens all life and 16 biological activity on this planet.
Thank you.
17 (Applause) 18 JUDGE WOLFE:
Rob Shultz?
19 (No response.)
20 JUDGE WOLFE:
Frank J.
Lyons?
21 (No response) 22 JUDGE WOLFE:
Sally Barrows?
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I speak for Sally Barrows 2
tonight, who is unable to be here.
3 JUDGE HARBOUR:
Her last name is spelled 4
B-a-r-r-o-w-s?
5 MS. TRISHER:
Correct.
6 JUDGE HARBOUR:
She is from Falmouth?
7 MS. TRISHER:
Falmouth, Maine.
Correct.
My 8
name is P.
A. Trisher, and I live in Manchester, New 9
Hampshire.
10 "The testimony of Sally Barrows to the 11 Honorable Sheldon Wolfe, Presiding Judge, Low-Level 12 Licensing Hearing for the Seabrook Power Plant, October 3, 13 1986.
14 "Your Honors, the Earth is approximately 4.5 15 billion years old.
If you take that time frame and scale 16 it to a year, it took the first eight months for the 17 oceans to form and allow for the first life forms.
It 18 took the next four months of life forms unfolding and 19 evolving to reach the birth of our own species, which has 20 come into being on the last day of that year.
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" Ancient history started about a half hour 22 ago.
We count from the unfolding of life on this planet, 23 and we are very, very new.
24 "The means by which the Earth evolved from 25 life form to ever-emerging life form was and is genetic s
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The planet is coded for 2
continuing life, and genes are the thread of the entire 3
unfolding. process.
We know this.
4 "We also know that radiation breaks genetic 5
coding.
So, what we are really talking about here is 6
something that would undo what the planet has spent the 7
last 4.5 billion years bringing into being.
To unleash 8
radiation on this Earth not only shows contempt for the 9
future, but also shows contempt for what brought us into 10 being in the first place.
11 "I would like to suggest to Your Honors that 12 you see your position of judgment over the licensing of
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13 Seabrook as a great opportunity.
You are truly in the 14 position to change the course of history and, as such, 15 have the opportunity to become heroes in the eyes of 16 future generations, the Thomas Jeffersons's and Samuel 17 Adams's of our time."
18 (Applause) 19 MS. TRISHER:
"For we are at a crossroads as 20 important -- in fact, much more important -- than where 21 our founding fathers found themselves.
They drafted a 22 constitution which brought democracy to our country.
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I urge you to act courageously and 2
truthfully and to do so recognizing the true context in 3
which you act:
this great unfolding of life of which you 4
are a part."
5 And Ms. Barrows asks for a moment of silence.
6 (A moment of silence was observed.)
7 MS. TRISHER:
She also asked, Judge Wolfe, 8
that I read a statement:
"A sister and a precious friend 9
has spent the last 30 hours3.472222e-4 days <br />0.00833 hours <br />4.960317e-5 weeks <br />1.1415e-5 months <br /> in jail.
She was arrected 10 with us on May 24, 1986, after a successful six-hour 11 blockade of the gates at the Seabrook nuclear power 12 plant.
She gave the name of 'Anya' at booking and 13 maintains that she wants to go to trial with this name, 14 the name of an eight-year-old girl this woman met some 15 time ago on a peace walk through Eastern Europe in the 16 Soviet Union.
17 "The woman Anya was ordered by Justice Francis 18 Frazier of the Hampton District Court to provide positive 19 ID as to her identity.
She refused and was not allowed to 20 go to trial with us yesterday.
She is currently being 21 held at the Stratford County House of Corrections in Dover 22 for contempt of court, and she has been in isolation since 23 3:00 p.m. yesterday.
She may still be in isolation, with 24 no phone calls, visitors, or contact with other prisoners.
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By choosing to go to jail, she is refusing to 2
cooperate with the system which punishes us and attempts.
3 to degrade us for speaking the truth and acting out of 4
conscience.
I also ask for a moment of silence for this 5
strong and beautiful woman."
s 6
(A moment of silence was observed.)
7 MS. TRISHER:
Thank you.
8 (Applause) 9 JUDGE WOLFE:
Thayer Galey?
10 VOICE:
She is not here.
11 JUDGE WOLFE:
Not here.
Judith McCormick?
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Robert Laviers, i
14 (No response) 15 JUDGE WOLFE:
Christopher Lucewireman?-
16 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 17 MR. LUCEWIREMAN ON BEHALF OF SONS CHRISTOPHER AND JESSE'LUCEWIREMAN 18 19 MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
Christopher is my son, as 20 well as Jesse.
They< spoke at every DOE hearing that is L
21 occurred up in our area, up in the middle of the woods 22 where the Department of Energy wanted to take --
23 Physically take -- private property to dispose of high-1 24 level radioactive waste generated by the military 25 establishment and also the nuclear power industry.
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voice here.
Jesse is 18 months old and Christopher is 3
3-1/2.
They are healthy, active, jubilant children, and 4
they deserve a better future.
They deserve a better 5
future than radiation.
6 The reason that I am here to be such a pain in 7
the rear is because I want to make damn sure that they 8
have a better future, and I don't care what the costs are.
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9 (Applause) t 10 MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
To Public Service Company of 11 New Hampshire, to which I have written many checks --
12 "Public Disservice Company of New Hampshire" --
13' (Applause) 14 MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
-- I say, good chess players 15 concede when the battle is lost.
The battle is lost, 16.
ladies and gentlemen.
17 (Applause) 18 MR. LUCEWIREMAN:
The reason the battle is
'19 l 1 cst is because of these people.
That's the reason the 20 battle is lost, because if we don't win here, we're going 21 to win out there.
We have heard four people come up here 22 and talk about Article X in the New Hampshire 23 Constitution, and let me tell you I will be the first one 24 down the street, toting whatever is necessary, to stop i.
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I am not prone to violence.
3 I have a degree in geology.
I own a business in 4
Peterborough.
I go to church on Sundays.
But I will be 5
absolutely damned, and so will everyone in this room, if 6
we allow you to make New Hampshire radioactive.
7 (Applause) 8 JUDGE WOLFE:
Beth Lucewireman.
9 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 10 SHELLY NELKINS 11 ON BEHALF OF BETH LUCEWIREMAN 12 MS. NELKINS:
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13 Lucewireman.
My name is Shelly Nelkins.
you are the 14 people whose opinions count (pointing to audience).
15 (Applause) 16 MS. NELKINS:
I am sure that most of you know 17 by now that you have absolutely no insurance on your 18 homes.
There is an exclusionary clause, even on contact 19 lenses, for radiation damage.
Check your homeowner's 20 insurance.
Check your car's insurance.
you ain't got 21 nothing.
That plant out there will have about a billion 22 dollars of insurance.
This all comes about under the Price-Anderson 23 24 Act.
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Congress that unless they had total immunity from suit, 2
they weren't going to build any nuclear power reactors.
3 And they got tota) immunity from suit.
Right now, if 4
there is an accident at a nuclear power plant anywhere in 5
this country, they are covered for a grand total of $650 6
million.
That's it.
7 In Congress, on Tuesday, in the House, the 8
Price-Anderson Act is going to hit the full floor of the 9
House.
Mo Udall, who used to be a good environmentalist, 10 has now gone a little dotty -- sorry, but he has -- and he 11 is surrounded by aides who are misinforming him.
He has 12 presented a bill with a $6.5 billion limited liability 13 ceiling.
If that passes and Seabrook goes on line, that 14 means everything is covered for $6.5 billion.
That's it.
15 That doesn't even cover property damage.
16 And you want to know how they arrived at $6.5 17 billion?
The GAO did a study -- the General Accounting 18 Office -- did a study for Senator Mitchell.
That GAO 19 study said that in a worst-case catastrophe -- that's the i
4 20 worst-case scenario, that's a total meltdown, that's 21 blitzville, that's like worse than Chernobyl -- $6.5 22 billion would cover 95 percent of a nuclear power plants 23 in this country.
You can't ask for 100; that's 24 ridiculous.
I mean, you know better.
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Sandia Labs is 2
covered under the Price-Anderson Act as a defense facility 3
for the DOE.
4 And you know how they arrived at $6.5 5
billion?
They used a CRACK-II computer model.
Into that, 6
this is the information they fed:
" Wind patterns would 7
remain stable."
Boy, we know we have great weather 8
Patterns around here; it's real mild all year long.
"That 9
you could evacuate everyone within a ten-mile radius 10 within 6-1/2 hours to a safe distance of 15 miles; that 11 all radiation damage" -- now, remember, we're talking 12 about total blitzville, severe -- not severe, excuse me, 13 severe isn't counted.
Severe does not come under Price-14 Anderson.
Three Mile Island was considered severe.
They 15 only paid out $41 million, and they have 2,000 cases 16 Pending.
17 We're talking about catastrophic.
In a 18 catastrophic accident,-total meltdown, all radiation 19 damage only occurs within a ten-mile radius.
Tell that to 20 the people around Chernobyl.
Tell that to the people --
21 hah -- in Vermont.
22 Litigation fees -- likes yours, Tom Dignan, 23 and we know you ain't cheap.
Are you still driving your 24 white Corvette, or have you upped it?
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I got married.
The Corvette had 3
to go.
4 MS. NELKINS: _Now you'll have something at 5
stake.
Now get to the other side, my man.
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MS. NELKINS:
He was brought up on a farm.
He 8
had enough; he moved to the city.
9 Health care costs are not covered under $6.5 10 billion.
Thyroid damage is not covered.
And they base 11 those damn figures on a 1970 census.
Spontaneous 12 abortions aren't even mentioned.
13 Now, Chernobyl started up one of its four 14 reactors, okay, because it snowed three times within a two-i 15 day period.
It's cold out there.
That sounds like our 16 reason.
We had more fallout from that one Chernobyl on 17 this entire Earth than from every single bomb that was 18 ever exploded.
19 Now, what we need, not just to get rid of 20 Seabrook, but we need a moratorium on every single nuclear i
21 Plant.
That should be in the summit.
22 (Applause) 23 MS. NELKINS:
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2 (Applause) 3 JUDGE WOLFE:
Ann Hunt?
4 (No response) 5 JUDGE WOLFE:
Bill Murphy?
6 (No response) 7 JUDGE WOLFE:
Gail Palugi?
8 (No response) 9 JUDGE WOLFE:
Mary Metcalf?
10 (Applause) 11 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 12 MARY METCALF 13 MS. METCALF:
Good evening.
My name is Mary 14 Metcalf -- M-e-t-c-a-1-f.
I live in Durham, New 15 Hampshire.
I want to thank this Board'for granting the 16 Public an opportunity this week to speak to you, to speak 17 about the concerns regarding Seabrook station nuclear-18 fueld electric power generating plant.
Together with you, i
19 I have listened to many hours of public statements here 20 this week.
I recognize that your assigned role was.a very i
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Process and what, in my opinion, is the faulted decision-3 making process that is the result.
4 You were not assigned this week the task of 5
evaluating the integrity of the construction of Seabrook 6
station.
7 (Applause) 8 MS. METCALF:
But it is clearly of great 4
9 Public concern.
10 You were not assigned this week the task of 11 evaluating evacuation plans.
But they are clearly a 12 matter of public concern.
13 You were not assigned this week the task of 14 resolving the several nuclear waste storage problems.
But 15 they are clearly a matter of intense public concern.
16 You were not assigned this week the task to 17 determine the extent of health risks to residents and 18 workers.
But these are clearly'of public concern.
You were not assigned this week the task to 19 20 consider the excessive borrwowing costs imposed on Public 21 Service Company because of the risks perceived by the 22 financial community to be associated with the Seabrook 23 station project.
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2 divided -- and I emphasize divided -- among many branches, 3
boards, and panels.
you represent only one of these.
4 But at the same time, some other construction 5
issues -- for example, the cooling tunnels and the 6
attendant thermal pollution -- are assigned to the 7
separate Environmental Protection Agency, which, too, is 8
further divided and subdivided.
Evacuation planning is 9
assigned to yet a different federal body, the Federal 10 Emergency Management Agency, which undoubtedly is 11 subdivided into specialty areas.
And the nuclear fuel 12 waste problem is, in itself, divided, with the Federal 13 Department of Energy responsible for high-level waste, and 14 with the State of New Hampshire responsible for low-level 15 waste, and with greater-than-Class-C waste still searching s
16 for a sponsor.
17 Financial issues -- both the borrowing of 18 money to undewrite the construction costs and the ultimate 19 ratepayer issues -- are determined not by a federal 20 agency, but by a state commission, the New Hamprhire 21 Public Utilities Commission.
22 This fragmentation of the regulatory process 23 has resulted in chaos.
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This utter confusion has eroded public 2
confidence.
3 If the public had confidence in the integrity 4
of each of these several regulatory agencies, there would 5
be no problem.
Lack of such confidence has been expressed 6
repeatedly here this week.
7 If the public had confidence in Public Service 8
Company of New Hamprhire, there would be no problem.
Lack 9
of such confidence has been expressed repeatedly this 10 week.
11 Because this fragmented regulatory process has 12 brought about such confusion and frustration to the
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13 thoughtful public, it was important ' chat this panel grant 14 Opportunity for statements, while you are here in the 15 flesh and in a listening mode, if you will.
Writing 16 letters to faceless bureaucrats at vague addresses does 17 little to calm anxiety, especially if there is no response 18 or if the response is evasive in character.
The public 19 has not been kept well informed as to where and how to 20 address these multiple concerns.
21 JUDGE HARBOUR:
The time is up.
22 MS. METCALF:
I have one more -- two more 23 sentences.
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process, I join other speakers as I implore this Board to 2
not approve any element of the construction or design --
3 over which you have jurisdiction -- that fails to meet in 4
every' detail the most stringent standards ever set by the 5
NRC.
Please apply this absolute standard not only to 6
Seabrook station here in New Hampshire, but to all nuclear-7 fueled generating plants where you share a responsibility-8 in the licensing process.
The public needs to be able to-9 trust you.
You must merit that public confidence.
10 (Applause) 11 JUDGE WOLFE:
Dr.
F.
Grath?
12 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF G
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14 DR. GRATH:
Good evening.
My name is Dr.
15 Frank Grath, and I am an orthopedic surgeon in Portsmouth.
16 In the 1970s, 1976, myself and other doctors i
17 in Portsmouth organized a statement that was published in 18 the Portsmouth Herald. -The other doctors involved were l
l 19 Dr. George Dodge, Dr. William Wheating, Dr. Harris Kavary, 20 Dr. Richard Ante 11, and Dr. David Strauss.
21 Now I would like to read this.
I will have to 22 read it quickly because I have a few other things to say 23 and I do want to keep within the five-minute period of 24 time allowed for me.
i 25 The statement begins that, "For many months
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there have been increasing misgivings amongst Seacoast I
2 Physicians concerning the siting of a fission nuclear i
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generating facility at Seabrook, New Hampshire."
This is 1
4 1976.
"Since January, a great deal has happened of direct 1'
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relevance to the Seabrook nuclear facility.
This document 6
is a review of events since January 1976.
A moratorium on 7
the construction of the Seabrook nuclear facility is
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called for until profound public health issues raisind have 9
been resolved.
10 "In January, the Scientific American reported 11 that the intensely radioactive material from the nation's 12 56 nuclear power stations has been accumulating in 13 temporary repositories, with inadequate plans for 14 Permanent reprocess and storage.
The nuclear ashes 15.
contain a complex mixture of plutonium-239, uranium-235, 16 and scores of fission products.
The spent fuel is so 17 intensely radioactive ths
- 11 processing must be 18 conducted by equipment designed for remote control and l
19 maintenance.
20 "The half-life of plutonium-239 is 25,000 21-years.
Six half-lives must pass before safe levels of 22 radiation from the sealed reactor material will be 23 reached.
For 200,000 years the nuclear ashes will 24 continue continuous monitoring to detect any leakage, and 25 guarding to prevent sabotage.
"For 200,000 years the l
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repository site must withstand all natural disasters.
2 There appear to be insufficient economic 3
incentives to develop the complex and expensive storage 4
4
. technology.
Even after reprocessing, the wastes must be i
5 encapsulated in a way that they can be safely stored for 1
6 thousands of years.
7 "The problems of the health risks of increased 8'
background radiation and the storage of nuclear ash have 7
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been overshadowed by the more immediate risk of 10 catastrophic release of radioactive steam and' water.
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-14 lethal concentrations within clouds of steam, which are 15 carried by the prevailing winds.
16 "A meltdown may occur under circumstances of a 27 sustained failure of the' reactor core coolant systems.
18 How reliable is nuclear technology?"
Asked in 1976.
"How 19 vulnerable are nuclear plants to human error, sabotage, 20 and natura1' disaster?
l 21 "In January, it was discovered that the-22 recently completed Diablo Canyon nuclear facility had been 23 built two miles from a geological fault.
The plant was 24 designed in the 1960s to withstand an earthquake of 6.25 25 on the Richter scale.
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earthquake of 7.5 magnitude, 100 times as forceful as 3
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The plant has-not yet gone into operation.
4 "The Seabrook facility is located on the 5
Boston-Ottawa geological fault line.
The secondary 6
coolant systm, over a mile of tunnels carrying seawater to 7
the reactor cores, is vulnerable to seismic activity.
The 8
evidence is accumulating that nuclear plants are 9
frighteningly vulnerable to mechanical and human error."
10 JUDGE HARBOUR:
One minute remains.
11 DR. GRATH:
Well, I won't be able to finish 12 reading this.
There is more of the same there.
I will go
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13 to my other, my updated comments.
14 I could continue with talks about nuclear 15 technology, but I would rather comment on how I feel about 16 being here and how I imagine other people in the room 17 feel-18 My feelings are those of resentment and fear, 19 a fear that is anesthetized.
I have seen the progression 20 of events we predicted in 1976 actually happen.
Why am I 21 here tonight?
I shouldn't have to be.
We have had 22 already the ultimate worst nuclear accident that in '76 we 23 were told never could happen.
I have seen every disaster 24 We predicted happen.
I have seen the disasters 25 rationalized away by senseless double-think.
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demonstrates that the near-worst is not really so bad.
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Chernobyl demonstrates that we do it'right and they J
3 don't.
The spread of highly toxic substances into our 4
. environment is acceptable.
-5 And I will finish.
6 I resent testifying before people salaried by l
7 me, instructed not to represe'nt me.
I would appreciate --
8 (Applause) i 9
DR. GRATH:
No applause.
No applause, 10 please.
11 DR. GRATH:
And that includes the 12 Commissioners and the Public Service people.
I pay their 13 salaries, too.
I testified in the 1970s before tired, i
14 bored, anesthesized, salaried people, and here.I am 15 again.
I resent the sham'of not being sworn in, of not 16 being able to question, and not being questioned.
I 17 resent that there is no public record of my time here and l
18 what I and others have had to say.
19 I fear that we do not have the intellect, the i
20 will, and the moral strength to organize and implement i
21 what we must do to take care of-the nuclear waste and 22 materials we already have created.
I am bored by my own 23 testimony because there is nothing new in it, and all of 24 us -- proponents and opponents both -- have heard every I
25 argument I might put forward.
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I will end with the myth that is the myth 1of-2 our times:
We are the modern. Prometheus.
We have 3
discovered a fierce fire, and-now we are chained alive to 4
a rock for eternity.
A vulture descends daily and feeds 5
from our liver, creating a wound that can never heal.
6 As a physician, I am qualified to advise-you 1
7 all on your future health.
The anesthesia that we all 8
have been experiencing is wearing off.
9 Thank you very much.
10 (Applause) 11 JUDGE WOLFE:
Jesse Heine?
Jesse Heine?
12 (No response) 13 JUDGE WOLFE:
Frank Kramer?
14 We have a number of people who are waiting to 15 make limited appearance statements, so we would appreciate 16 it if you all could keep your statements to five minutes, 17 please.
18 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT =OF 19 FRANK KRAMER l
20 MR. KRAMER:
Frank Kramer.
I am a member of 21 the Salisbury Conservation Commission and a member of the 22 Salisbury Emergency Response Committee.
i 23 JUDGE WOLFE:
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24 MR. KRAMER:
K-r-a-m-e-r.
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town, Salisbury, was not to be included in the evacuation 2
hearings.
I am pleased, however, that Salisbury has 3
chosen to appeal this decision.
The town of Salisbury 4
borders on the town of Seabrook.
Why should my town be 5
excluded?
6 I would like to quote from the last three 7
Paragraphs of the September 30 Daily News paper:
"PSC had 8
asked the Atomic Board in August to dismiss the g
communities from participation in emergency planning 10 Proceedings not yet-scheduled.
The towns will not be 11 allowed to present testimony or cross examine witnesses 12 under the ruling.
Graham and Salisbury selectmen contend,
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13 however, that they were not notified of the PSC request 14 for information.
The only notice, they said, apparently 15 went to Constable Gerard A.
Kroto, a member of the town's 16 evacuation planning committee.
In other communities, 17 according to Salisbury officials, the questionnaires were 18 sent to city councils, mayors, or selectmen."
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19 When Public Service Company of New Hampshire 20 first applied for its c2nstruction permit, the Salisbury 21 Conservation Commission drafted a letter indicating 22 environmental concerns of that board.
PSC never replied 23 to the Salisbury Conservation Commission letter.
24 Why?
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containment building.
According to the UCS, the Union of i
2 Concerned Scientists, a containment building is no i
3 guarantee against radioactive releases.
Further, reports 4
from workers of cracks in the containment structure and 5
the presence of foreign objects there does not give 6
comfort to.the local people.
7 Pour wells and the lack of a continuous 8
Pouring of concrete, which I understand is necessary for i
9 Proper bonding, have-added more doubt about the.
10 effectiveness of'Seabrook's containment building.
11 As an Emergency Response Committee member and-12 as a citizen, I have questioned the. ability of PSC to 4
13 Protect against sabotage.
I have never. received any 14 substantive answer to the sabotage question.
Yet, this is 15 a major problem in this country.
If great quantities of 16 nuclear fuel have already disappeared'in and from this 17 country, what reassuance do we have that saboteurs might 18 someday threaten our safety?
19 New Hampshire Yankee has spent thousands -- or 1
20 Perhaps by this time millions -- of dollars to project its 21 image.
Their PR people have cast that body as a paragon i
22 of virtue and integrity, builders of a physical plant of 23 undisputable construction quality.
Why, then, has New Hampshire Yankee been bribing local towns with new folding 24 25 chairs, money for police stations and for fire stations
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and other items?
2 (Applause) 3 MR. KRAMER:
I have property in Maine that I 4
can relocate to should Seabrook go on line.
But I have 5
children and grandchildren in this area, and friends as 6
well, that I am concerned for.
They cannot relocate as 7
readily.
8 Let us follow in the ways of Amory Lovins, 9
with alternatives and conservation.
There will be no need 10 for nuclear power.
Thank you.
11 (Applause) 12 JUDGE WOLFE:
Melissa Morrow?
Melissa Morrow?
rt) 13 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF s
14 MELISSA MORROW 15 MS. MORROW:
My name is Melissa Morrow.
16 JUDGE HARBOUR:
Spelling, please?
17 MS. MORROW:
It's like " tomorrow" without the 18 "to."
Tomorrow is what I am worried about.
19 (Applause) 20 MS. MORROW:
I am not going to speak tonight i
21 of the statistics and legalities of Seabrook because I
'i 22 know you are all aware of them.
You have to make the 23 choice between your higher conscience and greed, and I 24 hope you make the right choice because it's my life and i
25 our children's that are at stake.
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"I come to you as a healer and a warrior of 2
the Rainbow.
I come to you from my heart's center, and 3
that is where I speak from.
I ask you to listen from your 4
heart because that is where you will hear me.
I.come to 5
you tonight with the voice of my grandfather.
May you let 6
him enter your heart as I have let him enter my own."
7 This was addressed to the U.S. Government in 8
1854 by Chief Claro, and it just.about sums up the 9
relationship between the United States Government and man 10 and Earth.
11 I ask the Board and everyone who is physically 12 able to please put their hands to their heart and to be 13 silent.
14 (Pause) 15 MS. MORROW:
"The Great Chief in Washington 16 sends words that he wishes to buy our land.
How can you 17 buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land, every part of 18 this Earth is sacred to my people.
Every shining pine 19 needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dogwoods, 20 every clearing and humming insect is holy in the memory 21 and experience of my people.
The sap which courses 22 through the trees carries the memory of the red man."
23 Can anyone up here put their hand to their 24 heart?
Please, can you respect my wishes?
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(No response) 2 MS. MORROW:
That just says a lot, you know.
3 Just touch it once.
That's all I ask.
4 FROM THE FLOOR:
They're afraid they'll turn 5
to stone.
6 MS. MORROW:
Just one person.
7 (No response) 8 MS. MORROW:
"We know the white man does not 9
understand our ways.
One portion of the land is the same 10 to him as the next.
For he is a stranger who comes in the 11 night and takes from the land whatever he needs."
i 12 Are you listening to me, sir?
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13 JUDGE HARBOUR:
Yes, I am.
14 MS. MORROW:
Okay.
"The Earth is not his 15 brother, but his-enemy.
And when he has conquered it, he 16 moves on.
And he leaves his father's grave behind.
He-17 does not care.
He kidnaps the Earth from his children.
18 He treats his mother the Earth and his brother the sky as i
19 things he has bought, plundered, sold like sheep or bright 20 beads.
His appetite will devour the Earth and leave 21 behind only the desert.
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" Teach your children what we have taught our 23 children:
that the Earth is our mother.
Whatever befalls 24 the Earth befalls the son of the Earth.
As man spit upon 25 the ground, they spit upon themselves.
This we know.
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Earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the Earth.
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This we know.
All things are connected.
Man did not i
3 weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it.
4 Whatever he does to the web he does to himself.
Continue 5
to contaminate your bed and you will one night suffocate 6
in your own waste.
But in your perishing, you will shine 7
brightly, fired by the strength of God who brought you to 8
this land for some special purpose."
9 (Applause) 10 JUDGE WOLFE:
Shelly Nelkins?
11 MS. NELKINS:
I spoke already.
12 JUDGE WOLFE:
Kathy Wolfe?
13 (No response) 14 JUDGE WOLFE:
Elliott Burch?
15 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 16 ELLIOTT BURCH 17 MR. BURCH:
My name is Elliott Burch, spelled 18 B-u-r-c-h.
I am from A1 stead, New Hampshire.
19 We have all been to these kind of meetings l
20 before, and we are all at the dump meetings in Henniker, 21 and I talked -- and everybody talked -- blue in the face 22 to a whole board just like yourselves, and I really wonder 23 if anybody ever took that information any further.
I 24 wonder tonight if this information is going to get out of 25 your briefcases.
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1 Last weekend we were at a march in Brattleboro 2
about Vermont Yankee, and before I got out of bed my two-1 3
and-a-half-year-old daughter came into bed and she said, 4
"Where are we going today, Dad?"
I said, "Well, we're 5
going to go to a nuclear power plant."
Then I had to tell 6
her what a nuclear power plant was.
I will just go 7
through that just so you know that image and if she can 8
understand it, I think you can, too.
9 I told her that in those wires that come into 10 the house is something called electricity that makes our 11 toaster go and makes our lights work and our washing 12 machine work.
I said there are different ways to make 13 electricity, and one of them is by this big, evil building 14 that is called a nuclear power plant, and there are about 15 100 of them in the country and they produce deadly 16 toxins.
She asked, "Well, what's a toxin?"
Well, the 17 best way to sum it up for her was just to say that if you 18 ever get near one of these things, you will be dead.
Of 19 course, she wants to ask me what " dead" means, but I think 20 she knows.
21 So, we went, anyway, to the march, and she 22 marched, and she rode on my bike and I carried her the six 23 miles to the plant.
There in front of the plant is all 24 these cooling towers that look like the fog in the Wizard 25 of Oz, you know, and it's just coming up right behind the i
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1 main gate.
And the people that got arrested sat down 2
there.
And we didn't' stay very long.
My wife is 3
Pregnant and she didn't want to be around there, and I 4
worried for the genes in my daughter, too.
5 I have done mine.
I am not having any more 6
children.
But I wonder about my daughter, you know, and 7
my next one that is coming.
You know, if their genes get 8
contaminated, they are going to be awfully sad.
9 Now, there are just a couple of things that 10 come to mind when I want to speak to you folks.
One of 11 them involves the finances of the Seabrook plant.
We all 12 know here that there is cheaper ways to produce
(_m) 13 electricity.
14 In my little neighborhood is an old mill, and 15 I have been trying to investigate the possibility of 16 getting a water power permit to produce electricity.
It's 17 really tough to do now.
They want to make Seabrook go and 18 sell that power even though there is enough hydropower in 19 the state to do away with Seabrook and the power would be 20 even cheaper.
21 So, we need to, all of us, work on trying to 22 get our state to do away with what the PUC is trying to 23 Pull over on us in keeping these small-scale hydropower 24 People under.
25 Another thing that comes to mind about the (s)
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2 had some Commonwealth Edison stock, and back then they had -
3 a big investment in nuclear power, and we badgered him and 4
he kept saying, "Oh, I can't sell.
'It's going down.
It's 5
going down."
And we said, "You better sell it.
.You're 6
going to lose all your principle."
And for about three 7
years we just badgered him to sell this stock, and it went 8
from $20 to $16 to S15 to $14 to $13 to $11, and finally 9
we got him to sell.
And that is exactly what Seabrook is 10 going to do.
You know, it's going to go online and it's i
11 already too expensive.
12 There is no need for it.
With conservation 13 and hydropower and photovoltaics, we can do away with it.
14 We don't need to open this plant.
If we contaminate it 15 now by doing low-level testing, we're never going to have 16 the chance to convert it to something more useful, like i
17 coal.
18 Now I just want to say a few words to you 19 folks out here.
There are three major ways I think we can 20 stop this.
The first is to elect McEckrin (phonetic).
21 (Applause) 22 MR. BURCH:
So do your homework on that.
Just t
23 get him elected.
Let's dump Sununu.
24 Now, another way that we can do this is to get 25 these kind people up here to take this back to their ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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superiors and try and work from the inside.
Now, that's 2
not very realistic.
3 The third way we can help close Seabrook is to 4
all of us be out there in front of the gate if they start 5
loading it up.
6 (Applause)
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MR. BURCH:
And as my final statement, I just 8
want you to know that we will all be there -- 5,000 of us 9
-- in front of the gate.
Thank you.
10 (Applause) 11 JUDGE WOLFE:
Joanna Dennit?
Joanna Dennit?
12 (No response) 13 JUDGE WOLFE:
Debra Butcher?
14 (No response)
FROM THE FLOOR':
We can't hear you.
15 16 JUDGE WOLFE:
Debra Butcher.
17 (No response) 18 JUDGE WOLFE:
Robert Smith?
c 19 (No response) 20 JUDGE WOLFE:
C.
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Butler?
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Excuse me, Judge, I was eleventh 22 on there when I --
23 JUDGE WOLFE:
Your name is?
I-24 MR. KARMALY:
Steve Karmaly.
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4 MR. KARMALY:
I appreciate that.
Thank you.
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MR. BUTLER:
Good evening.
My name is 8
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Cambridge, Massachusetts.
I came here tonight on this 10 long drive on a rainy night because I am a Cambridge peace 11 commissioner.
I am a city official.
I have some 12 responsibility to the public.
That's a new role for me; I
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But I take it pretty seriously, as I 14 think each of you do, too.
15 Now, I am very concerned.
I have been 16 following this issue of nuclear power for about ten years 17 as a student in college and beyond.
And I know it's 18 Pretty dangerous.
And I.think you all know it's pretty 19 dangerous.
Accidents happen.
A big accident happened in 20 Chernobyl.
My response to that -- I am a very theatrical 21 Person -- I dressed up in a radiat'on suit, a suit that 22 you saw me in on Monday morning.
I was here in a white 23 suit, you may recall, respirator, helmet, much like the 24 people who have to go in and clean up after toxic spills 25 and radioactive spills have to wear.
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broke about Chernobyl, and protested there.
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visual statement, :saying that it's-dangerous, it 's very.
5 dangerous and we-need to be concerned.
6 Three days later, there was-a stockholders 7
meeting of the owners.of the Seabrook nuclear station.
I 8
was. asked by one of those stockholders to go to that 9
meeting wearing my outfit to visually state to the 10 stockholders the real and present danger of nuclear.
11 Power.
12 I was arrested at that meeting and detained 13
~from entering.
I was not disruptive.
I did not cause a 14 Problem.
I am a believer in nonviolence.
15 What is that company hiding?
Why was I not 16 allowed in that meeting?-
4 17 I have just one more question, gentlemen and I
18 ladies.
I am scared.
These people out here are scared.
I 19 Why aren't you scared?
20 (Applause) z 21 JUDGE WOLFE:
Nine Swaine?
22 FROM THE FLOOR:
Excuse me, Your Honor.
I 23 would like to make these seven chairs available for the 24 People that are standing up, if that's all right with you.
25 JUDGE WOLFE:
Nine Swaine?
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Wesley Crocheron?
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My'name is Wesley' Homer-9 Crocheron.
The last name is. spelled C-r-o-c-h-e-r-o-n.
10 JUDGE WOLFE:
Stamworth, New Hampshire?
11-MR. CROCHERON:
Stamworth, New Hampshire.
R 12 Right, fchicoro mailing address.
I have been here all 13 week just like you folks have, and I know-you must be 14 getting tired of hearing the same thing over and over
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But it is very important.
' 16 I an very proud to be here, and I would like H
17 to.show you my T-shirt and how-we all think of New-18 Hampshire people:
" Don't take us for granted."
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" Don't take us for granted."
Right?
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I know you have heard it all l-22 for the last three or four days, but I am going to speak 23 on several things that I think are very important.
24 One of them is something that has touched all 4
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Cancer has 2
been on the rise.
It is in everything.
Tobacco. You 3
gentlemen know what tobacco is.
It has been permeated with radiation.
Our beef, our chicken, our vegetables.
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5 We get lung cancer.
We get stomach cancer.
We get skin 6
and bone cancer.
We also get ionization, which has been 7
talked about, which gets into our genes.
Birth defects.
8 Mutations which are passed on from your children to their 9
children forever.
10 There is no cure for radiation.
It kills 11 forever.
Yes, with our advanced medical techniques we 12 have prolonged life, but how many lives can we save by not
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13 having that extra radiation?
Millions can be saved.
Our 14 background radiation is increasing.
There are people 15 allergic to the sun's radiation, which is a natural 16 radiation.
But we don't need any more than that.
17 We do not need any more nuclear reactors.
Do 18 not issue Seabrook a low-power test license, for all our 19 sakes, yours and mine.
You have as much to lose as we 20 have.
21 Another thing I want to talk about is the mood 22 of the people.
30 years ago I belonged to the John Burch 23 Society, and I think you have all heard of that.
That is 24 a very right-wing group.
Today is a new era.
I belong to 25 a lot of left-wing groups this day and age:
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Justice, Clamshell Alliance.
National organizations and 3
international organizations, that's what it's going to 4
take.
5-I worked for the people back then, and I am 6
working for them right now.
Times have changed, and the 7
need is there to stay with those changes.
The mood of the 8
People is different.
They are becoming aware of what has 9
been going on behind their backs.
The people are becoming 10 more and more involved.
They want to know what the 11 elected people and the people'they have hired to look out 12 for their interests are doing.
13 (Applause) 14 MR. CROCHERON:
You the panel are responsible 15 to the people as a whole, and not just to the nuclear 16 industry.
17 Why are you here today, besides to hear our 18 statements?
You are here to decide if Seabrook is safe to 19 start up.
But there is another reason you are here:
It 20 is because the Federal Government is trying to run our 21 State of New Hampshire.
The Feds want to run it in the 22 name of national defense.
That is not needed anymore.
23 There are enough nuclear weapons to blow up several 24 Earths.
We don't need any more plutonium.
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We don't need it for 2
electricity.
There is enough from small producers, as has 3
been talked about already, and alternative energy, which 4
we have to explore.
5 We need home rule again, too.
6 (Applause) 7 MR. CROCHERON:
I have a little more to say, 8
but I am going to shorten it up to talk about the 9
testimony and evidence that has been presented at your 10 hearings.
11 JUDGE HARBOUR:
One minute left.
12 MR. CROCHERON:
Okay, I am just about p()
13 through.
It has been shown there is a doubt about the 14 safety of the huge Seabrook nuclear power plant.
As you 15 gentlemen know, in law, reasonable doubt -- there is a 16 doubt that this plant is safe.
On this basis, you must 17 recommend that Seabrook not be issued a low-power test 18 license.
Thank you very much.
19 (Applause) 20 JUDGE WOLFE:
Patricia Danforth?
Patricia 21 Danforth?
Spell your last name, please, and where you 22 live-23 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 24 PATRICIA DANFORTH 25 MS. DANFORTH:
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I am a teacher in Portsmouth, and I 2
have been a teacher here for 21 years.
In my whole life, 3
I have never done anything like this, to come and speak in 4
public this way.
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Speak up.
6 MS. DANFORTH:
Okay.
I am sorry.
Five feet 7
tall.
(Laughter) 8 I am here because I am angry, I am here 9
because I am frightened, I am here because I sat in my i
10 school and had people come and suggest that I would drive 11 buses of children to the north country if something 12 happened in this plant.
I am here because I have children
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I am here because I have a grandchild.
14 I thought, this week, and I surprised myself.
15 I have taught over 1,700 children in the past 21 years in 16 Portsmouth, New Hampshire, and I am here because every one 17 of them matters.
And I would like you to tell me, or the 18 people, anyone, I don't understand the complications of 19 all of this because I deal with children and they are not J
20 complicated and they are honest.
They are not greedy, and 21 they are simple,- their needs are simple.
I want someone 22 to tell me how has this happened?
Which of those 1,700 23 children are expendable?
Is it all right?
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to make mistakes, that's how you learn.
Many children 3
come to school and they want to be perfect, they don't 4
want to make mistakes.
They get nervous when they make 5
mistakes.
And the very firct thing you have to do as a 6
teacher is-let them know we all makes mistakes, that's how 7
we learn.
I fear we have made a dreadful mistake here, 8
and I am hoping we learn before we make the mistake worse.
9 I would like to challenge you and anyone who 10 has anything to do with Seabrook nuclear station to go to 11 the drug and alcohol abuse treatment centers in this area 12
-- I am talking about Seaborne, I am talking about York O
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17 (Applause) 18 MS. DANFORTH:
Those 1,700 students, many of 19 them are 28, 29, and 30 years old now, because my years 20 are going along, I am getting towards retirement age.
I 21 know for a fact of the cocaine use on that site, on the 22 job.
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rooms, in the men's rooms, out on the site, the buying and 3
selling of cocaine.
4 I would like you to give that address again so 5
I could write and give names, because I do know names, and 6
I have never told them to anyone.
7 I am sure the two police officers standing 8
behind me here know very well of the buying and selling of 9
drugs at Seabrook.
10 How can -- if one little 0-ring on Challenger 11 could destroy that whole mission, how can we turn that 12 Place on?
We all know when people are under the influence 13 of drugs, they malfunction, and people who have
-14 malfunctioned on a daily basis have built that plant, many 15 People-(APP ause) l 16 17 MS. DANFORTH:
I am not here to beg.
I am 18 here to challenge and I am here to demand for those 1,700 3
19 young pecple that sat in my classrooms year after year l
20 after year and were taught to think.
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21 that people of logic and sanity do something about this.
22 I would also like to thank all the people in 23 this room tonight because it has been the most uplifting 24 experience for a teacher to know that we are, in fact, i
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the most wonderful, heartening feeling I have had in a 3
long time..Thank you very much.
4 (Applause) 5 JUDGE WOLFE:
Karen Hannigan?
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15 I hope I am not putting anyone to sleep over-i 16 there.
17 The forces of the nuclear industry are holding 18 forces which are contributing to preventing humankind from 19 advancing towards that potential.
They need not be.
12 0 Humankind is capable of creative solutions to replace the H21 nuclear industry.
Humankind is capable of responsible 22 choices in regard to the amount of energy actually 23 necessary.
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nuclear industry or the political machinery which supports 6
it are capable of'such creative' possibilities.
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7 hearts to change, to letting go of this white elephant, 8
this monkey on all of our backs, and.look towards new 9
horizons.
We need dreamers who do not limit themselv,es 10 and, therefore, all of us.
i 11 I just want to end with something that is, for i
12 me, a suggestion of hope.
This is on the top of a A(_)
13 Bradlee's sales flier.
It says, "Roshashana, the 14 beginning of a new year, with hopes and dreams for help, 15 Prosperity, and peace.
May you be inscribed for a good' 16 year."
Thank you.
17 (Applause) 18 JUDGE WOLFE:
Mary LeMenzo?
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20 MARY LAMENZO 21 MS. LAMENZO:
Mary LeMenzo, from Warner, New 22 Hampshire.
My last name isspelled L-a-m-e-n-z-o.
23 I come to you tonight on behalf of many 24 brothers and sisters around the State of New Hampsnire who 25 have signed a petition, which I will read to you:
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"We, the undersigned, strongly oppose the 2
loading of nuclear fuel at the Seabrook power station 3
during the summer of 1986 or at any subsequent time.
This 4-Petition reaffirms the votes at over 100 New Hampshire 5
town meetings in 1986 opposing the burial, storage, 6
transportation, and production of high-level radioactive 7
waste.
We urge Public Servi-ce Company of New Hampshire, 8
Governor John Sununu and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 9
to disallow the nuclear fueling at Seabrook statino for 10 the purpose of ensuring a safe environment."
11 Each of the thousands of names here is a gift 12 from the present to a nuclear-free future.
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14 join with my sisters who have spoken before me, Melissa 15 and Karen, in urging you -- and I want te say this in the 16 most honoring way I can of you.
I am not being critical.
17 I know that you three gentlemen on the commission use your 18 heads a lot, your intellects, your brains.
I can tell 19 that by just looking at you.
What I would like to ask you 20 to do, if you haven't already, is to find your hearts, 21 touch them, open them, and that is my personal petition to 22 you.
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Lola Bogyo?
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want to tell you that I am a believer in technology.
I 6
have to tell you also that I came to this issue with no ax 7
to grind, no financial motive, professional motive, or 8
Political motive.
I have to admit to you that when I 9
moved to Gloucester a little over a year ago, I had never 10 thought much about Seabrook or about nuclear power in 11 general.
It was only when I began looking out across the 12 bay to Seabrook every day that I began to feel the need to
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get the facts abotu nuclear power in general and about 13 14 Seabrook in particular.
15 I was trained as an academic, and my training 16 made me want to get the facts for myself, to find the 17 evidence, weigh it, analyze it, and decide for myself.
18 So, I started to try to educate myself._ I called up 19 Seabrook station and asked them to send whatever i
20 information they could.
I started reading widely, 21 newspapers, books, government reports, whatever I cuold 22 lay my hands on.
And I really hoped, as a scientist and 23 as a human being, to be reassured.
But the more I read 24 the more worried I became, and that is why I am here.
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1 Seabrook sent to me said.
It said in the pamphlet that, 2
" Nuclear power is clean and safe and inexpensive."
That 3
sounded good to me, and I wanted to believe it.
In the 4
brochure that they sent, they raised the question, "Is a 5
nuclear power plant safe?"
And they answered it, "Yes."
6 They said that accidents requiring evacuation are " highly 7
unlikely."
8 I think that " highly unlikely" might have been 9
more reassuring to me if I hadn't just witnessed the Space 10 Shuttle tragedy.
It semee to me that that accident was 11 highly unlikely, too, that the Shuttle had had the most 12 modern of technology, the greatest of experts, infallible
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14 After Chernobyl, I really began to worry.
The 15 Seabrook publication said, "The kind of accident which 16 occurred at Chernobyl could not possibly happen at 17 Seabrook."
That sounded very reassuring to me, but I 18 decided a a good, skeptical academic, to read up on 19 reactor designs and to judge for muself.
And I have to 20 tell you that I found out that that statement, while not 21 false, is misleading.
It is true that exactly the same 22 kind of accident couldn't happen at Seabrook, but it's not 23 true that Seabrook couldn't have the same outcome:
a 24 catastrophic accident, a nuclear meltdown.
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It reported that, in contrast to numerous 3
early press reports, the safety systems available at the 4
Chernobyl-4 plant to respond to accidents are broadly 5
comparable to those used in U.S. nuclear power plants, and 6
the report concluded that catastrophic reactor accidents 7
resulting in very large releases of radioactivity are 8
Possible in U.S.
reactors.
9 I tried to find out more about safety at 10 Seabrook in particular, and I got more worried.
There 11 were articles in the paper that a Seabrook worker had come 12 forward and said he had serious concerns about the plant, n(,)
13 And I started getting the Seabrook station publication, 14 the Standard.
And there was an article there on a brand-15 new employee assistance program "for any employee whose 16 life is being affected by alcoholism, drug abuse, or any 17 variety of concerns.
It made me worry, if Seabrook itself 18 was just now starting up programs for what they saw as a 19 serious problem, what those workers had been doing in the 20 months and years before.
21 I don't want to reiterate for you all the 22 things you have already heard, but it seems to me that one 23 thing is clear.
Accidents happen.
Even the best minds 24 and the greatest care and the highest technology can't 25 Provent them.
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MS. BOGYO:
Finally, I think -- and this is my 5
message to you -- that it is the people who.are going to 6
take the risk who should be able to decide whether they 7
are willing to take the risk, it shouldn't be the people 8
who have the financial invsstments, it shouldn't be the g
government, it should be the people themselves.
10 So, I am glad that you are making this time to 1
11 hear us, and I hope you carry this message back to Washington for us.
Thank you.
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13 (Applause) 1 14 FROM THE FLOOR:
Excuse me, Judge Wolfe.
I 15 ust want to raise a point of order.
There was a police 16 officer out in the lobby who was refusing to allow people 17 to enter the hearing.
He said that the room is 1
18 overcrowded.
When I pursued that with the management, she 19 said that it was at the request of th NRC that nobody else 20 be allowed in.
I would just like --
21 JUDGE WOLFE:
I made no such request.
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6 JUDGE WOLFE:
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recess.
We will look into that.
8 (Brief recess) 9 JUDGE WOLFE:
All right.
The limited 10 appearance session is resumed.
Please be seated.
Please 11 be seated.
12 Jerem Burry, from Gloucester?
Jerem Burry?
13 (No response) 14 JUDGE WOLFE:
David Dalzell?
j 15 FROM THE FLOOR:
Could you start off on that 16 lat one again, because there were people out there 17 waiting.
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19 D-a-1-z-e-1-1, from KLttery Point, Maine.
l 20 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 21 DAVID DALZELL 22 MR. DALZELL:
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don't know much more about nuclear power'than they do.
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.3 something was to happen at Seabrook, not only would it 4
affect you but your children,. grandchildren, great-5 grandchildren, and so on, because the half-life of atomic 6
elements is so long.
7 Sure, it will be a source of nuclear power.
8 But, so what?
Who cares?
Do you really want to risk the 9
lives of a lot of innocent people?
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18 killing and killing.
1 19 If you want to do this, go ahead.
You may 20 think you're doing us a favor, but all you're doing'is 21 condemning us.
All you have to do is just say no, that's 22 all, just say no.
Seabrook won't go online.
23 (Applause) 24 MR. DALZELL:
Seabrook won't go online, the 25 people will be happy, and the world will be a lot safer.
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1 This is not a game.
you don't sit down, play it, make a 2
wrong decision, lose, and start again.
you may not know 3
this, but this is real life.
4 (Applause) 5 MR. DALZELL:
If you choose wrong, then your 6
homes, jobs, families, riatives and friends, the whole 7
Seacoast area is in jeopardy.
The area will not be safe 8
to live in for long if there is an accident.
And some of 9
your families were the first people that settled this 10 area, and do you want to wipe all that out?
In a few 11 years, my generation will be the ones running this 12 country, and I bet my life that at least three-quarters of
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14 (Applause) 15 MR. DALZELL:
So, why don't you-ask us?. you 16 guys will be dead in a few years, we won't.
17 (Applause) 18 MR. DALZELL:
We will be making the decisions 19 while you're in retirement beds, writing away, thinking 20 about how wrong you were to even think of putting Seabrook 21 on line.
22 It has been told that if there was an accident 23 at Seabrook, the governor only could set off the sirens, 24 and we better hope that he's not off playing golf 25 somewhere where we can't find him.
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Sweden, I understand has made a decision not 2
to use nuclear power anymore, so they must know something 3
that the Seabrook officials don't know.
They're smart, 4
they. learned something from Chernobyl.
All the Seabrook 5
officials do is say that, "We work for the U.S.
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Nothing can go wrong at Seabrook."-
7 They're wrong.
We're only human, we're not 8
Perfect.
It's like a Sesame show my sister used to listen 9
to.
It goes kind of like this, " Big people, small people, 10 matter of fact, all people, everyone makes mistakes, oh, 11 yes, they do."
12 You make your decision.
We'll make ours.
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l 15 (Applause) 16 MR. DALZELL:
I would like you to tell me what 17 this says here (indicating).
18 (Chant from the audience) 19 MR. DALZELL:
I can't hear you.
20 (Chant from the audience)
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Louder.
22 (Chant from the audience) 23 MR. DALZELL:
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
24 (Applause) 25 JUDGE WOLFE:
Ginger Selman?
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Good evening.
I am Ginger Selman 4
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5 Judge Wolfe, ladies, gentlemen, the group.
6 Modern _ technology doesn't exclude human error.
Major 7
disasters happen mainly because of human error and 8
technical breakdown.
The safety parameter display system 9
should not only be recommended but required.
This 10 centralized information on a single computer display of 11 five types of information critical to controlling an 12 accident is vital.
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If technology at its ultimate could exclude 15 human error, we would not need backup safety systems, but 16 human error does occur.
17 Fact:
Three Mile Island plant did not have a 18 safety parameter display system.
19 Fact:
the NRC recommended to Seabrook 20 officials to put in place a safety parameter display 21 system in 1982.
This has not been implemented.
22 Fact:
By running Seabrook station at five 23 percent, the possibility of conversion becomes impossible.
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Human error.
At what human cost will you, the 2
NRC, human beings, approve the five percent power at 3
Seabrook?
To not require an independent study on the 4
-construction and design of Seabrook is human error.
We 5
are human.
You are human.
To err.is human.
Do not 6
license Seabrook.
7 (Applause) 8 JUDGE WOLFE:
Steven Kessler?
9 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 10 STEVEN KESSLER 11 MR. KESSLER:
My name is Steven Kessler.
.That 12 is spelled K-e-s-s-1-e-r.
I am a resident of Newbury, (k
13 Massachusetts.
14 Your Honor and members of the Board, I am not 15 speaking for a large organization this evening.
On the 16 contrary, I am speaking for a very small one; that is, my 4
f 17 wife and myself and our unborn child.
18 I have been a practicing chemical engineer for i
19 the past 18 years, and while I don't design nuclear power 20 plants, I have kept abreast of some of the tehnical 21 literature in that field.
I would like to speak to the 22 issue of human error.
That has been raised quite a few i
23 times this evening.
24 It's obvious, at least to some of us, that the 1
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accident, show us clearly what the consequences are when 3
human error is superimposed upon a complex system.
As an 4
engineer, I know that it's impossible to design a complex 5
system that is immune to the effects of human error.
6 Public Service Company of New Hampshire would have us 7
believe otherwise.
8 They would also have us believe that the 9
containment structure that is built around their power 10 Plant would protect us even if human error did result in a 11 serious accident at Seabrook.
This is a very dubious 12 claim.
In recent technical literature such as an issue of
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14 of controversy concerning just that issue.
There is 15 controversy concerning how the containment structure and 16 its viability should even be modeled should that kind of 17 an accident occur.
So, I don't think that we can draw any 18 comfort from that claim.
19 This brings me face to face with the horror l
20 that would be unleashed upon the residents of this region 21 should a serious n cident occur.
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2 Thank you.
3 JUDGE WOLFE:
Mary Marro?
4 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 5
MARY MARRO 6
MS. MARRO:
My name is Mary Marro.
It's 7
M-a-r-r-o.
I am a resident of Newbury.
I would like to 8
say first of all that I am thankful that you did wait and i
9 didn't license Seabrook until -- well, I am glad you 10 haven't licensed it yet because as you can see, I made it.
11 I am nine months pregnant and I managed to get through 12 without Seabrook opening,'and-I am very happy about that.
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MS. MARRO:
However, my worry is not yet f
15 over.
Many studies have demonstrated the biological 16 damage that can occur from low radiation exposure.
At 17 this time, I would like to reemphasize the damage that can 18 occur to the human reproductive system.
Even before a 19 child is conceived, if the parents have been exposed to 20 radiation, deformations can occur to their reproductive f
21 organt and cells.
Once conceived, radiation can cause 22 death or spontaneous abortion of a developing fetus.
This 23 was seen in the post-war studios done after the nuclear 24 bombings in Japan.
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are rapidly dividing.
2 I ask you now, not only for my own children, 3
but for the children of many generations to come, to 4
reconsider the damaging effects of radiation on the human 5
reproducive system.
As leaders of the future, can we 6
honestly risk the health of our children with a poison 7
that could damage the basic genetic code and evolution of 8
man himself or herself?
9 Also, I did bring someone along tonight that 10 can't speak over the microphone, but if you listen 11 closely, you would only hear a heartbeat, and is that not 12 enough?
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Saran Ransome?
15 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 16 l SARAH RANSOME 17 MS. RANSOME:
I would like to address 18 Mr. Harbour, Mr. Luebke, and Mr. Wolfe, and I hope I do 19 not offend yon by calling you " Judge" in this room, 20 because we are citizens of a country that is based on 21 democracy, we have committed no crime, and I am not here 22 to be judged.
I am here to speak for my own rights.
So, 23 I address you as brothers.
24 I am by profession a teacher.and a 25 storyteller.
I go to the schools and I tell myths and
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stories of wisdom from around the world.
But as a teacher 2
in our schools, we teach democracy, we teach respect for 3
other people's rights, we teach our students to take into 4
account the needs of others, including wheelchair people, 5
deaf people, blind people, and old people.
We all are 6
citizens of the same country.
We teach the Bill of 7
Rights, that we are a government of the people, by the 8
people, and for the people.
9 And we teach the children to learn to 10 recognize the earmarks of fascism, and I am scared seeing 11 what is going on, that we, who have protested time and 12 time and time again since before they broke the ground G
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13 here in Seabrook.
Why don't you listen?
Is this the 14 beginning of fascism?
15 (Applause) 16 MS. RANSOME:
We do not want this plant, and 17 there are many, many of us.
We are but representatives, 18 and you know that.
I am from Newburyport.
We took a vote 19 against participating in evacuation plans.
And what has 20 happened to thoce towns that refused to participate?
We 21 are denied a voice.
That is not democracy.
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22 opinion, and then we're denied.
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That's fascism.
25 I also would like to speak, as many have 1
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already, that you cannot narrow down this point to just 2
evacuation.
There are many, many points.
All of these 3
have been mentioned time and again.
I hate to even 4
reiterate them.
But every one of us knows that the idea 5
of evacuation is an absolute farce, especially in this 6
area where the weather is so bad, the traffic is very 7
crowded, the population is dense.
Then, where will we go 8
to?
How far must we go, and for how long must we stay 9
there?
Then, we will find -- oh, I said that.
I am 10 sorry.
11 Okay.
Now, people have talked many times now 12 about the horror of Chernobyl and the fact of human error.
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13 14 from that radiation.
That is no longer in the papers.
15 People are still dying.
The animals are still -- the milk 16 is still bad.
The vegetables, you still may not eat.
The 17 ground is still polluted.
And that will go on for 18 thousands of years.
I don't want that to happen here.
J 19 Of course, the problem of the spent-fuel rods, 20 and another thing that is never mentioned is the cost of 21 health after.
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22 to deal with health problems.
23 Another thing that is never mentioned -- to my 24 amazement -- is low levels of emissions of radiation that 25 are routine in the normal operating process of a plant.
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2 (Applause) 3 MS. RANSOME:
As a storyteller, I.just want to 4
end with another way of looking at things, because you-5 have heard all the statistics and facts.-
I lived for a 6
number of years in India, and one of the things I noticed 7
-- I traveled on foot in_the backlands of India, and I 8
noticed these domed structures, big domes, round 9
structures.
In the very center of these structures was4 10 this black cylindrical object, sort of like that 11 (indicating), shaped like that.
The way to honor this 12 cylindrical object is to bathe it in cool water.
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This has,been 14 gong on for thousand sof years in India.
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17 from it.
Outwardly, this is obviously very similar to 18 what we are building here in Seabrook.
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22 and they represent the power of death.
But in 23 America,they are the real thing.
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We all agree to that.
That is why there are 2
containment structures and that is why we are having this 3
meeting.
4 This is the thought.
I would say, let's leave 5
the uranium pellets in the-ground and let's keep the 6
structure and let's put a symbol of that power of death in 7
it as a reminder that we do not,have the technology to 8
stop death, we do not have the right to dispense it, we 9
can only honor it.
10 I say'to you,-Mr. Harbour and Mr. Luebke and 11 Mr. Wolfe, that you are as vulnerable as teh rest of us to 12 radiation and pollution, and I do not want to see you
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suffer any more than I want to experience that suffering 13 14 myself.
And it is for you and your children and your 15 grandchildren as well as for our own who are standing here i
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Thank you.
18 JUDGE WOLFE:
William Olson?
William Olson?
19 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 20 BILL OLSON 21 MR. OLSON:
My name is Bill Olson, from Union, 22 New Hampshire, which lies 42 miles upwind of Seabrook.
L 23 This is my son Abel.
Good evening, Judge Wolfe, members 24 of the Board.
It must be unusual for you to fina yourself 25 in the defendant's seat tonight.
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3 (Applause) 4 MR. OLSON:
I would like to pick away at your 5
exposed Achille's heel.
I know you have heard this over 6
and over tonight.
I am hoping if it's repeated enough, 7
that it wil sink in.
And that is, your evacuation 8
scheme.
Any damned fool can see it's impossible.
And 9
while you're here, you might just walk less than a mile 10 and get a good look at Route 95.
It's bumper to bumper.
11 From Friday through Sunday it is bumper to bumper.
That 12 is the main traffic artery going north from the seacoast.
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13 It's not possible to move a great number of people through 14 there.
15 I cannot comprehend the kind of disregard that 16 it seems everyone in power is displaying towards this 17 issue.
We have the situation here in New Hampshire where 18 our government has been so incredibly derelict in 19 protecting the people of his own state.
20 (Applause) 21 MR. OLSON:
But because of that, his days in 22 power are numbered, and you might draw a lesson from that.
23 Well, I would like to say that we will 24 prevail.
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Nuclear power will be abolished, 2
because that is the right thing to do.
And fortunately, 3
the people of New Hampshire are an awful lot smarter than 4
the people we-vote into office.
And we will win because 5
we are right, because we are sane, and because we act on 6
the side of life and not on the side of money.
Thank you.
7 (Applause) 8 JUDGE WOLFE:
Donna Krohn?
Donna Krohn?
9 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 10 DONNA KHRON 11 MS. KRHON:
It's K-r-h-o-n.
I am from Wolna, 12 Massachusetts.
I am a teacher.
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I am not going to say anything new.
I know you are 14 probably very tired, and maybe bored, of hearing it all.
15 But I feel like the last man.
Maybe if we say it enough, 16 you will listen.to us.
17 (Applause) 18 MS. KROHN:
I can't quote a lot of facts and 19 figures abect Seabrook to convince you not to issue this 20 license, but a lot of people here ton 3ght have, and I know 21 people all week have spoken who know the facts.
I do know 22 that it's one of the largest in the country and it's in 23 one of the most densely populated areas of the country.
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have nothing to do with evacuation plans, that we could 3
not ensure the safety of the people living in this area.
4 I speak to you from emotions of fear and of 5
anger because it is fear for my life and anger that other 6
human beings are willing to jeopardize my existence under 7
the guise of my need when, in fact, it is for their own 8
financial gain.
For that, I feel I have the right to be 9
emotional.
For that, I feel I have the right to be lo emotional.
11 (Applause) 12 MS. KROHN:
I am so tired of the lack of
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13 emotion when people rationally discuss the real and 14 possible dangers from a nuclear accident -- leukemia, 15 cancer, radiation sickness, death.
Why are people 16 considered expendable?
Just because large amounts of 17 money have been spent and because we are told that in 18 order to have our conveniences, that nuclear energy is the 19 only way?
I am willing to give up some conveniences for 20 my life.
21 (Applause) 22 MS. KRoHN:
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alternative and safe energy resources with those billions 2
of dollars.
3 The effects of a nuclear accident are no 4
longer a philosophical discussion or a matter of 5
speculation.
Chernobyl has to be enough.
What else has 6
to happen to convince us -- and to convince you -- that 7
humanity is at stake here?
8 FROM THE FLOOR:
It has to happen here.
9 MS. KROHN:
People have died, and more people 10 are going to die slowly and ins $diously.
Land is 11 uninhabitable.
Food is inedible.
A whole culture in 12 Finland has been totally destroyed because they can no
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longer make a living from the reindeer in that region.
13 14 We must end it.
When will someone have the 15 guts to admit this is always a mistake and not be afraid 16 to say no?
We humans have the control-in this case over 17 our own destiny, and we are choosing disaster over life.
i 18 No matter how many safety controls there are, there is 19 always something someone didn't anticipate, and human l
20 error at some point is inevitable.
21 I read an article about a nuclear power plant 22 in the South, and someone didn't anticipate that in a heat 23 wave the pipes that were going to cool the reactor -- some 24 of them were aboveground -- would overheat.
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until they could bring dirt in to cover these pipes.
What 2
would have happened if they couldn't have gotten that ice, 3
I would love to know.
4 For some reason, people do not equate nuclear 5
energy with nuclear armc.
No one in their right mind 6
would knowingly allow a nuclear bomb to be dropped on 7
their town, and yet they are willing to let nuclear power 8
plants operate.
The dangers of both are radiation.
The 9
effects are inseparable.
The dangers of nuclear energy 10 are perhaps more frightening to me.
With a bomb, it must 11 be dropped to cause destruction and suffering; yet young 12 children can contract and die of leukemia because a
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nuclear power plant exists in the area in which they live, 13 14 without a nuclear accident even happening.
15 I have never been a political person, and I 16 have never, ever in my life been involved in any cause 17 before.
But I can no longer sit still and pretend that 18 this will go away.
Only you and I can stop it.
If you 19 had heard this many times before this week, then perhaps 20 it's time to listen and to realize that we the people do 21 not want to live with this threat anymore.
As a public 22 official in a democratic cociety, I believe you have the 23 obligation to act and work in our behalf, and I only hope 24 that you can listen and have the guts to say no to 25 Seabrook.
Thank you.
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1 (Applause) 2 JUDGE WOLFE:
Richard Erickson?
3 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 4
RICHARD ERICKSON 5
MR. ERICKSON:
E-r-i-c-k-s-o-n.
6 JUDGE WOLFE:
You are from?
7 MR. ERICKSON:
Magnolia, Mass.
8 I was teaching outside of Harrisburg when 9
Three Mile Isladn had its breakdown.
The outriders at TMI 10 tried to cover up the problem for two days but had to 11 acknowledge the plant was out of control on the morning of 12 the third, a Friday.
After two days of a fast snooze,
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14 By midmorning that Friday, the school was 15 chaos, parents running through the halls, grabbing kids 16 out of the classroom, the receptionist trying to keep 17 track of the kids leaving, trying to find out when the 18 buses were to arrive.
And you could not use any phones.
4 19 Cars arrived as if loaded for summer vacation, speeding 20 through the parking lot.
There was no order and no sense 21 of discipline.
22 One hears of the airtight evacuation plan that 23 will go into effect should a problem arise.
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You cannot choreograph panic, and if it goes, 2
you will not get out.
And you will be responsible for 3
that.
4 (Applause) 5 JUDGE WOLFE:
Did we have a Judith Barrow?
6 Judith Barrow?
7 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 8
JUDITH BARROWS 9
MS. BARROWS:
Good evening.
My name is Judith 10 Barrows -- B-a-r-r-o-w-s.
I am from Lincolnville, Maine.
11 It would be interesting if we could get some 12 of those films that they're using for the kids in school
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13 to say no to drugs.
Maybe it would be educational for 14 some other people.
15' There are several reasons why Seabrook should 16 not be permitted to operate even at low power-for tests.
17 As I am sure that you know, operating at low power may 18 sound safe, but it is not necessarily so.
At the time of 19 the accident at the Chernobyl reactor, the reactor was 20 conducting tests at low power, less than seven percent, I 21 believe.
22 The first reason is that Seabrook does not 23 have an adequate, approved evacuation plan.
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evacuation plan that covers at least 20 miles, if not 50.
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MS. BARROWS:
The second reason is that there 7
is no plan to deal with contamination that could result 8
from an accident.
The effects could be felt over 9
thousands of miles away.
For example, the reindeer in 10 Norway, 2,000 miles from Chernobyl, have levels of 11 contamination over 70 times the legal limits for food ine 12 that area.
Until there is such a plan, there should be no
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13 license granted for Seabrook.
The third reason is that all reactors release 14 15 radiation into the environment on a regular basis.
There 16 is no safe level of radiation.
Until a plant can be 17 operated without releasing this radiation to the 18 environment, no license should be granted.
19 (Applause) 20 MS. BARROWS:
A fourth reason is that there is 21 at present no safe method to isolat the nuclear wastes 22 that Seabrook would produce from the biosphere for the 23 quarter to half a million years that it will remain 24 radioactive.
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waste in it, thereby, so Congress says, solving the i
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Apparently, some folks 4
in Congress seem to believe that if you pass a law, that 5
will make it so.
It's an interesting idea.
Maybe we 6
could make brown cows give chocolate milk by passing a 7
law.
8 But I know and you know that that just isn't 9
so.
There will be no solution until the government stops 10 spending millions of dollars to make it look as if there 11 is a solution and to hide the waste somewhere deep in the 12 ground and starts making a serious effort to find out O)
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14 (Applause) 15 MS. BARROWS:
The first step, which I realize j
16 is beyon the scope of this hearing, is the repeal of the 17 Nuclear Waste Policy Act.
18 (Applause) 19 MS. BARROWS:
However, it is within your power 20 not to grant a license to Seabrook until and unless the 21 nuclear waste problem is solved.
This, by the way, would 22 have an additional benefit to the people of New 23 Hampshire.
The Department of Energy suggested to us in 24 Maine that they could not take our opposition to a dump i
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plant producing waste.
2 Your decision not to grant a low-power license 3
to Seabrook until the waste problem is actually solved 4
will keep New Hampshire out of the bind that we are in now 5
in Maine, and will remain in at least until July of 1988.
6 In summation, as long as there is no adequate I
7 evacuation plan, no way of preventing potential 8
contamination of the land, the plants, and the animals, 1
9 not to mention.the people, for hundreds or thousands of 10 miles away, no method to prevent the plant from releasing 11 radiation on a regular basis, and no way to isolate the 12 radioactive wastes the plant would produce from the
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13 biosphere, I urge you do not grant this license.
Thank 14 you.
15 JUDGE WOLFE:
June Jeswald?
16 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF 17 JUNE JESWALD 18 MS. JESWALD:
June Jeswald -- J-e-s-w-a-1-d --
19 from Winam, Mass.
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Thank you.
i 10 (Applause) i 11 JUDGE WOLFE:
Victor DeMarco?
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20 I am here for some actual facts that maybe you have not 21 been presented.
I am used to addressing judges, sworn, 22 and I would like you to listen to me as a sworn officer.
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used explaining what radiation was to us.
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that presentation.
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10 privy to it because apparently Public Service couldn't 11 afford to pay them to be present in a mandatory meeting.
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to five police officers, nine months of the year.
We have 5
one dispatcher.
I know what the phones would have, what 6
would happen to the phones if any kind of emergency would 7
develop.
8 Five into eighteen locations we're supposed to 9
man, I don't know how we're supposed to do it.
We are 10 supposed to also make sure that the buses are allowed to 11 come in while everybody is trying to get out.
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He became incited that we would even question i
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15 that we should be able to go to Newington for the mock 16 evacuation and we would learn how to do this.
I didn't 17 think we wanted to go to Newington; I was concerned about l-18,
the town of Hampton, not Newington.
19 Thank God for Newington, but I want to know 20 how to get 100 to 200 thousand people off of Hampton Beach t
21 in an orderly fashion.
There is a calendar that is going 22 to be out.
We could train people.
I am the training 23 officer for the police department.
I notice none of you i
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that.
But whenever I instruct, I usually observe people-3 taking notes, and when I am on the other end of it, I 4
usually take notes also.
5 But what I want to emphasize to you is that, 6
as I emphasized last night in the town meeting there, 7
where 70 percent of the people in the town of Hampton 8
voted to continue our intervention --
I was a speaker at that 11 meeting, and a young lady asked me if I would come up 12 because I was supposedly one of the people that were going
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I want to assure 14 you that we do not have the training, the knowledge, the 15 equipment, the manpower, the willingness, the desire --
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18 task that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is asking us 19 to do.
I use that as if I was under oath.
I would be 20 more than happy to do the job.
We will not leave.
We are i
f 21 not going anywhere.
We told the Civil Defense Director we 22 wouldn't do that.
Last night I wanted to make a joke and i
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you should hear this because -- maybe everybody back there 2
should hear this -- it was indicated to us that if we 3
showed a willingness and an ability to just man our posts, 4
that things would be taken care of.
And so someone did 5
ask about their family.
We do have families.
We are not 6
asked that when we go to the riots at Seabrook, but we 7
were asked that about getting people out.
And the 8
indication was that somehow we would be taken care of, 9
that our families would be one of the first to go.
10 So, something would develop beforehand that we 11 would know this, that we didn't have to worry about where 12 our wives and children were going to be, which I don't p()
13 think is really a fair game to play.
We either all leave i
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15 (Applause) 16 MR. DE MARCO:
Thank you for listening.
17 (Applause) 18 FROM THE FLOOR:
I tell you, that took guts.
19 More guts, that's what we need.
20 (Applause) 21 JUDGE WOLFE:
Kate McGovern?
Kate McGovern?
22 FROM THE FLOOR:
A people united will never be 23 defeated.
24 (Applause) 25 FROM THE FLOOR:
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Kate McGovern?
4 (No response) 5 JUDGE WOLFE:
Dr. Laura Ricard?
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LAURA RICARD 8
MS. RICARD:
Laura Ricard -- R-i-c-a-r-d.
9 Your Honors, I am opposed to Seabrook for two reasons.
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-The first is my fear of accident, which after'Three Mile 11 Island and Chernobyl, is well grounded.
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j 16 likely to destroy an entire culture, that of the 17 Laplanders.
t 18 Furthermore, within a certain proximity to 19 Chernobyl, women in their third trimester of pregnancy 20 were ordered to abort.
This is obscene, but, as we all 21 know, this is only the beginning.
How many thousands of 1
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25 I do not trust this technology.
The NRC, you
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chances of a serious accident of a coremelt are 50-50 in 3
this generation of nuclear power plants.
4 It is characteristic of our times to argue 5
that big problems, the problems of energy, for example, 6
demand big solutions, like Seabrook, for example.
But it 7
is obvious even to the simplest that big solutions cause 8
even bigger problems.
Look at Chernobyl.
Look at the 9
gigantic, unsolvable problem of nuclear waste.
Consider 10 the utter unworkability of any evacuation plan.
11 We all.know that there are smaller, more 12 realistic solutions to the need for energy that are more 13 cost effective in the long run.
As Wendell Barry wrote, 14 "The true geniuses of technology understand the need to 15 limit it," just as, I might add, the true geniuses of 16 politics, like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John 17 Adams, James Monroe, understood the need to limit power.
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19 nuclear plant at Seabrook.
The effect of nuclear power is 20 to increase the power of the Federal Government.
I am 21 fearful that Seabrook will become a federal steamroller.
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local control, which is at the heart of a democratic 3
republic.
This frightens me.
It makes me very angry.
4 And interestingly, I have seen it energize and 5
Politicize a lot of previously apolitical, generally 6
Politically indifferent or apathetic people.
I am not 7
being sentimental, wistful, or nostalgic, but tough-minded 8
and realistic.
We cannot allow the nuclear industry to 9
weaken the democratic process, and that is precisely what 10 is happening.
11 It was over the matter of local control that 12 the American Revolution was fought.
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13 disposes us to totalitarian forms.
The nuclear industry 14 may even have conventional good intentions, but a future 15 with Seabrook is no future because it is a violent 16 future.
It does violence to values at the heart of the 17 American system and demands that we sacrifice these 18 values, not quantifiable values, but values like local 19 7ontrol, community, our inalienable rights to clean air, 20 clean water, healthy soil.
21 I for one will resist any government or 22 industry that threatens tN,ese.
Restraint of the nuclear 23 industry is necessary to protect the American people's 24 rights to a certain way of life.
Seabrook is indefensible 25 morally and practically and it is indefensible
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I would like to quote a line from Scripture 3
now which has always meant something to me:
"Where there 4
is no vision, the people perish."
Thank you.
5 JUDGE WOLFE:
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank 6
you all.
It is now 10:00 and the limited appearance 7
session is concluded.
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