ML20202C175
| ML20202C175 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Comanche Peak  |
| Issue date: | 03/02/1984 |
| From: | Renee Taylor NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTION & ENFORCEMENT (IE REGION IV) |
| To: | Johnson E NRC |
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| FOIA-85-59 NUDOCS 8607110132 | |
| Download: ML20202C175 (84) | |
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SUDJECT: More CPSES Alle97.tions L. Gilbert and the writer were in the Process of inter./iewins a .
' Jelder Mo possibly had knowled9e of the " weave bead" weldin9 that has testified to in the hearin9s. The Person was i identified froro fhe QR/QC records. He could riot rernerober the specifiic instance that N discussed but could rernernbe r havin9 worked on several Pipe supports in the area on ove rtiroe sieskends.
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After tbe discussions on the Specific instance and a walk-around view of the area where the situation was alle9ed to occur, our interviewee rather suddenla decided to unload his concerns about CPSES which P.re suraroari: ed as fi.llows:
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h 1. The craft tsPe People don't care what the9 do because the suPervison does not care.whs.t is done.
- 2. The Present EBASCO inspectors often si9n off insp e cti'ons of ueldin9 froro the floor level i,.ihen the welder is 15 or rnore feet f-b bove.
Y 3. The B & R inspectors did not inspect the thin 9s done :;3 ;
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So we got tnere with I But
- Westningnouse, and eney go enac is not a Westinghouse 3 proolem. h' hat proolem? See, the day before tney had a 4 problem that a tuce sheet was cracked. Then all at once 5 they con't nave no more problem because they called their 6 home office and tney probably said you idiots, don't tell cnem. So they said tne only problem we have is the tubes
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l 8 are'not rolled up tight enough. I saic, we are cracking 9 ene tube sneets already and tney are rollec at a mitsimu=
10 and not a maximum. I said we would be in trouble if we had 11 to roll them to the max. or if we had to roll them over 12 tne max, superroll tnem.
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15 ,Here is your water boxes right here and your 16 condensers. All rignt, in condenser A on the inlet end on U You have got tne west box anc it is in three sections.
I8 Back there you have got some cract:cd tube sneets in nere.
19 some cracked tube snects. You have got overrolled tubes or 0 barely overrelled. They are supposed to be rolled 069' i 21 tnousand is a perfect roll insice reading. They allow us 22 to go to M i tnousano, he went up 90-some enousancs.
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28 expander run out. Manually ne rolled it so tight the 2') cxpander and motor jumped off. They just pop them just
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- 3 wrong type steam generator to start of f with. It was a S10 4 million goof-up. Westinghouse said wait a minute, I tninx 5 we can straight tnis proolem aus since'it is air 6 condensers, which they went bankrupt and are no more in I the concenser business. They deciced they had to 8 intergroove a tube sneet. They toer, an inch anc a caarter 9 tube sheet and they cut it in half. Tney should have used to two tube sheets if they were going to do that and mace it II twice as strong and not half.
12 MR. GRIFFIN: Are tnese things still enere?
13 m y ,. w m o They are still there, yes. All
- 14 .you got to do is go in tndke. It is really terrible. Wnat 15 I would suggest doing is on the big ones lixe 90-some
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A 16 'tncusand is cutting the tuce out and look at your sheet.
J 17 There is a spider wed crack. I snowed the people the*
18 crack, and that is wnen I first starting getting the 19 pressure, this is about three years ago, after I reported 20 this stuff. I kept on insisting on tnis crack, and then 21 overybody would go cop, and@- ' , if;pa he would go, you "2
- know, I am not for sure they are cracxed. I would Tl go I am not. You know, you can throw a cat tnrough it, and 24 he goes no, no, no.
25 Well, undoubted TL'GC0 told nim to back of f.
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.These tubes are titanium tubes and enere 5 should be twice as many support sheets in enere and all 6 that stuff. So they intergrooved the tube sheet and they I still have got leaks over there on this section here and 8 we are not supposed to have no leaks at all.
9 MR. HERA: gggg can't see "rignt tnere" --
10 (Indicating the reporter). So when you say section one, 11 identify wnat you ate pointing to.
N ig g y,3 Okay. Condenser B, Unit 1, 12 v 13 west disenagge water box and you have got a cracxes tube
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,got quite a few cracks in it. I can swear to that. I know 18 you do because it swelled up so big.
19 Overroll on the west box, condensdr A, Unit 1, 20 discharge end.
21 East water box, discharge end, condenser A, 0: you are still lea;:ing, ano overrolled.
23 Tne more you roll, tne more tney leax. Tney 24 more they leak, the more you roll, and tne more your roll, 25 tne more camage you are doing. They just went nuts with I
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, 2 Condenser A, Unit 1, intake box, tne west box, 3 you have got cracxed tube sheets.
4 . It is very simple to check because I put 5 little plugs in tnere. You can just take a wrench and just 6 screw your two nuts loose and pull the plug out and look 7 at it and put it right back in. It wouldn't take five 8 minutes to look. .
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MR. GRIFFIN: g did anyoocy intimidtte you 2 into overrolling tnose things?
3 We had an engineer there from TUGCG saying get it a little more, get it a little more tc my people. I went and told g I said they are killing 6
tnat water oox. Nobody had ever did the tube work before I
and nooody knew. They are experimenting with an item.
8 in the first place, the condenser wasn't a 9
very good cesigned condenser, in my opinion. I have worxec 10 These was I woula say on them since I was 15 years old.
11 between 1 and 10 aoout a 6, you know, a so-so condenser.
12 Wnen tney intergrooved tneir sneet, they mace the sheet 13 real, real thin.
/ 14 MR. GRIFFIN: But did anybody tell you or
\ 15 instruct you to do tnat?
16 I was instructed not to stop II leaxs, for instance. I was rolling tubes and I was 18 stopping tne water box from leaking. I have got a water 19 box over here leaxing and it is still leaking. I go tell 20 an g says how does that box look, and I said 21 it loons good but the otner one started leaking again, and 22 I have got to get it. He goes goddamn, M , I can go 23 tnere any day and maxe things better than tney are. I 24 don't want you to do tnat. I go I am just trying to stop 3 ene leans, you xnow. You ain't supposed to have leans.
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') g I Your river water leans into, you know, that type steam 2 generator and you can't allow no river water inside, lane 1 3
water. So Mt is still leaning. My problem was I of course 4 couldn't do a good joo.
5 MR. GRIFFIN: You are saying it is still '
- I 6 leaking- today or it was still leaking when you left? j
~ It was still leaking when I 8 left and it is still leaking tocay because they didn't 9
rewors it.
10 MR. HERR: Who was the engineer?
12 MR. HERR: Let me get one thing straight.
13 Excuse me for a second, were i - 14 they your supervisors?
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17 MR. dERR: hhat was nis title?
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20 MR. HERR: Who was the.other guy, 6 What 21 was nis job title?
22 He was a tnree striper. I he don't know anything. He U don't know where he come from.
24 is supposd to be a millwright tnree striper.
23 MA. HERR: What is a three striper?
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8 MR. HERR: Which one did you work directly for?
, glh!fBFMp.Mfylh31 see, what it was was 10 was over millwrights and bbilermakers. I was a 11 was a millwright 12 general foreman. He had more millwright general foremans.
13 Then ne set up for a three striper,.but he told me
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15 he was doing to start off with, and when he would come 16 i 6own tnere I would run him off. I went and seen 17 l about it because he would tell my people to do all xinds i
18 of goofy stuff. said well, don't you worry about 19 it. He is not over you, you know, but he thought he was.
20 MR. HERR: didn't necessarily intimidate 21 your or threaten you, but it was wno was the one?
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25 MR. HERR: kept saying that?
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do it anc you nave got a proolem, I will get somebody else 3
that will co it, lixe the swipe te'st. I am just tell nim 4
we should clean the wnole thing.
5 MR. HERR: And you interpreted tnat to mean if 6
you didn't do wnat he wanted you to do that you would be 7
terminated? -
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wnole time is he is taking people away from me and giving 10 tnem to these otner general foremen tnat would do what he 11 wants. See, if you would go do things anyway you last a 12 long time, out if you start trying to go by the rules and 13 regulations, you don't last long. They start trying to 14 work you out of a job, you know.
15 MR. HERR: So you felt when you started losing 16 men that that was a form of intimidation to you because 17 you were bucking the system or trying to do it right?
18 t Well, I am not saying that.
19 They took all my people at one time when I went to Houston 20 to report tnese tnings. When I come back all my people 21
.were already taxen away from me and they put me in 22 confinement for several weeks without anybody becaase I 23 went to report and had reported,a bunen of stuff tney were 24 doing.
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I having nere is mayce semantics. xhen-you say intimidaticn, 2 do'sr.'t e intimidate well. de fougnt tne system. I 3 tnink that is probaoly part cf .nat tne proolem is here. i 4 Intimication the way you are tale:ing about it, I don't 5 tnink is really w'nat he is tal.<ing about. .
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6 gggyQMfgjy. 'f 3 c If you are talicing about tney I stuck a gun to my head, no, they never did.
8 MR. GRIFFIN: No, we are not talking about 9
that. Did you ever perform defective work as a result of 10 intimidation? In other words ---
11 AyfM g ' Ycc mean rush a job or 12 half-way do it or just do it wrong.
.13 MR. GRIFFIN: Do it wrong.
Well, just about everything I4 ($;I$lt?%IMfisi7 15 you do out here is wrong.
16 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, dic you ever do anything I7 out tnere rign: then, or did everthing that you signed off 18 on, everything you performed, is it all wrong, or just a 19 portion of it wrong?
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22 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay.
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1 23 24 pusning tuce. We started out rignt pushing them. 'de pushed 25 65 tubes in one day and we had a hell of a time doing it.
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.: .c 1 Tnen he come do in tnere and toic my..nen if they didn't 2 pusn a enousand by the next day eneir ass was going cut 3 One gate, and he is on the radio ev'ery five minutes all 4 tne next. day.. I pushed to lunchtime and we got a nur. dred.
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6 6 [F):: : and he cussed and T raised hell and.he said their ass is going out the gate, a He says you can stand here and tell me a hundred reasons 9 why they won't go, but he said if them sons of bitches 10 ain't in there and you don't put a thousand of them in 11 there tomorrow your goddamn ass is going out that gate.
12 That- is wnat he told them.
13 So ne sledge hammers and he beat them and he
- 14 got air guns and he beat them. He put ice on them. He 15 knows nothing about condensers. You don't do that stuff.
16 MR. HERR: Who did he tell?
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20 !ytk . A;Ul>-}. Well, they was working a bunch 21 of laborers.
22 MR. HERR: These two men that he told, did -hey 23 do what he said to do?
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I and we couldn't get a tnousand in. At 5:30 he was still 2 cussing and raising hell wanting to know if tney have tnat 3 thousand yet, and he wanted to know right then because he 4 was going to run them off. So I finally went down there 5 and told him I was tired of hearing about a thousand 6 tuces. They ain't pushed a thousand in and they ain't
! going to and I didn't want to hear nothing else aoout it.
8 It was just tnat simple.
9 MR. HERR: What did he say?
10 ,He drove off. He was in nis 11 truck, you know. He was in his truck and he was talking to 12 me on the radio and he kept asking me did they have it, 13 did they have it. He had been bugging me all day. I done
- 14 pushed till 12 o' clock and I was about dead, you know. We 15 knock off at 5:30.
16 He was still hollering up to 5 o' clock did 17 tney have it because he was still going to run them off. I 18 toic tne people to do, their best and if it dian't satisfy 19 him tney would be better going to another job anyway. So 20 he kept on pounding, pounding and pounding. So I finally 21 went down there and told him that I was tired of hearing 22 about it. I said no, they ain't got a thousand, and 23 furthermore they ain't going to get no thousand and I 24 don't want to hear another damn word about it, you know.
1 25 MR. HERR: Did he fire them?
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w 2 , MR. HERR: The next day did ne terminate these 3 two men? .
A K+i~is935629fy) No a he didn't. He got one ci 5 tnem later, but not for that purpose.
6 MR. HERR: Do you kind of called him on it and 7 ne didn't ---
8 gyg!p(BRWIYLyy,3 Well, sometimes, yes.
9 Sometimes when a person don't perform right they give him 10 a real bad detail and then the first layoff he is gone.
11 MR. HERR: I see. In other words, set him up 12 for the future.
13 fl.*/%74XNEW7"> Right, just like tne guy we 14 are going to talk to after while,'he was set up for the ,
15 future because he refused to do stuff tnat is wrong. He 16 will tell you all that.
17 MR. GRIFFIN: What is the distinction. Maybe we la ought to stop here to'.make sure we are . talking acout the 19 same thing. When I am asking you about intimidation or 20 harassment, and I Know there are a lot of disagreements 21 and I know tne construction business is a tcugh ousiness, 22 but we are interested in finding out whether anybody 23 besides khreatened you or harassed you in some 24 manner that caused you to perform your work improperly, 25 out of procedure, to violate trocedure or create defective TAYLOE ASSOCIATES 16251 STREET. H.W. - SU:T! 1004 WASHINGTON. O.C. 20006 (202) 293 3750
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3 Obviously after you went to Houston ycu nad a 4 lot cf difficulty with these pecple out tnere and they 5 gave you a hard time as you have already discussed.
6 g,ggM4ppgg_c.pcif: I just went into confinement. ,
7 It .ceren't a hard time. As a matter of fact, I enJoyec :.t. ;
i 8 I was drawing the same money.
9 MR. GRIFFIN: But wnat we are trying to find
'i 10 out is who intimidated you or oth6rs out there that caused i 11 them to perform improperly. I i
12 (ip$ptMist#5LT?M h he was cushed to a point where 13 we was not doing it correctly. They always wanted to do a .
14 certain amount that is impossible to do, and they 6.on't !
15 care how you do it, but they want it done. I i 16 MR. HERR: Who is they? i 17 and I adt sure 18 is the one th'at pushes Just like QC, anc I 19 can give you a real good example.
20 When I was first hired in there in 1974 or 21 1975 we was doing.some Q work on some shear bars that goes 22 arcund your containment. It was '75. We was using recar 23 and we was welding flat bar to it. Well, wnen the rebar 21 come in, and it is Q or QC, and they go out there and Oney 25 caeck it and they verify tne heat number and all this TAYLOE ASSOCIATES 1625 i ST. MET. N.W. - SUITE 1001.
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', C 1 stuff. Well,.when they get all ne proper paperscrk in and 2 get it doc uraen t ed , tnen they release it to us. how do we gS 3 know it is released? They.go out and they paid)a blue end __
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5 Well, we run out of recar and here come a 6 trucaload of rebar. It came in. We started 'Eutting7-sttup
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. So nere come QC. OC and 8 continuously had fights because didn't want to go 9 by their book and they was always bumping heads on it.
10 Here come the QC. He just walks in there and 11 he puts re8 tags on all the stuff tnat is not right. Well, 12 jumps in tnere and he just got on butt. So 13 he called So here come 14 down there, which is a little guy and this QC kid is real 15 big. So they started naving it out, and ne told this QC 16 man, he said you ain't nothing out a goddamn evergrown 17 punk witn too mucn responsibility, and he said I ought to 18 just knock your godda'n m brains out :nd-he draws back on 19 him and he pushed nim around for 30 minutes cussing him 20 because the guy was just doing his work and he was the 21 superintendent. Kow tnat is typical.
22 MR. GRIFFIN: Did the QC inspector pull those 23 tags?
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! cAit He had his people hurry up 25 witn what they nad to do and tney pulled tne tags off.
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3 MR. GRIFFIN: So tne CC inspector signed off on 4 tnose, on tne work?
5 WegM@y Yes, eventually he signed it 6 off.
7 MR. HERR: That is after he finishsd his 8 inspection? He hurried up his inspection.
9 r Q Tg gng;yp Well, he was gettir.g his ass 10 eat out. He had a whole bunch of people there painting the 11 ends of it. I don't R:dw where he got them. We didn't even 12 stop. We just Kept on working. We was7 supposed to-have 13 stopped until they made sure we-was using tne right heat 1* number and all that stuff.
15 MR. GRIFFIN: What about this work you were 16 talking about like the condenser box a while ago? Weren't 17 there QC people around to inspect your work on that?
18 ,g*3np That is non-Q on this job, but 19 on other jons it is Q like South Texas.
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6 Callicut. He said have you got a condenser in that hole 7 yet? I go no, I.saic it don't look like we are going to do 8 it eitner because a BOP inspecter just turned down all the 9 welds. Eoy he started cussing. He said I want that son of 10 a biten's name and badge numoer.
11 So he started making cc.lls. So I dropped back 12 to the guy and ne just bought it off sitting in his 13 office. Well, as a matter of fact, it got to a point where
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15 They would just buy them off.
16 MR. GRIFFIN: Who is this guy again that bought 17 it off?
18 /g[4TNC@Ryd3 I don't know his name. He is 19 still out there. I tnink it the last name. c l s.
20 MR. GRIFFIN 21 f {ggjg Yes. He got run off of BOP and 22 I think he ended.up in QC. I think h6 name was l .
23 MR. HERR: What year was that?
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7 MR. HERR: BCP? ,
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9 MR. GRIFFIN: What is BOP? I don't Know what 10 that is.
11 4NfM I don't know either, 12 MS. ELLIS: Balance of plant. You said that the 13 condensers here are non-0, out they are Q at other plants?
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14 5HA @ @ M : They are Q in South Texas. It 15 is according if they want to make them Q or not. They are i
16 safety related because you can't operate the plant without !
17 tne condenser. It is just that simple. For instance, that l 18 is tne reason you hav'e got the intergroove in the tube i 19 sneet Decause you cannot allow the water in the steam i 20 generator because tney got problems, you know. I don't 21 know how fast they can cool a reactor down if something 22 did_ happen to-the condensers, like if tube sheets bust cut 23 with water pressure or somethinc.
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7 i This is a real good example. These tube 8 support sheets came in. We. laid them on top of each other 9 and we put dowel pins in them. Some of the holes wasm 10 three-eightns of an inch off from.the.others,.you know.
11 . So I called and I told him, I said we 12 are going to have a problem here. These holes are way off.
13 Well, he calls Westinghouse, and Westinghouse says oh, !
14 tnere is nothing to it. says, ,' they are just .
15 three-eighths of an inch off. I said well, you have got i
16 three foot from the center of' one sheet to the other, and 17 wnen you start off with three-eighths of an inch off you 18 are off quite a ways'when you get to th.e,other end, you J l
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3 14R . GRIFFIh': Now what system is this?
! 4 This is Unit 1 and Unit 2 A 5 and B condensers, the main condensers. This is what I am 6 talking about. I am not talking nothing about the 7 Auxiliary condenser. Everything is the main condensers.
! 8 There is supposed to be'something like 39 thousand 9 clearance in tne tube support sheets so that your tubes 10 can expand in its track without' binding. Now your main 11 tube sneet is 10 thousand before they roll these.
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6 In my opinionf it is not-corrected at all.s.Thatris the~ reason I' wanted 7to b'rihg"i'tr'out and I 7
woulo.like-to snow: people. They stuff nere coul'cn't 8
have bee' n covered up except .by.. paperwork because you.can go 9
down there any... day of.the week and read the inside 10 diameter of your tube and you know you are overrolled .
11 Everytning that 12 I could actually put my finger on, like the letter, they automatically agree, just lixe 13 tne lignt poles., you anow.
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' Well, they jumped on that with both hands and 15 both feet and made a big deal out of it.
16 They really cleaned tnat up.
17 Well, you have got some spray pipes also.down 18 .
in there. Well, it is going to be a bigger job to cut them 19 loose to do it. They haven't even mentioned that, see. I 2Q think I mentioned that one in my affidavit. Tnat goes in 21 the fuel pools. You have got four spray pipes that go'down i 22 in-tnere.
The holes of it was undersized and the pipe _
23 department went in there and redrilled them and they used 24 cutting material, luce cil.cr some type of cutting oil and 25 they just pulled it off and there it was.
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. { l 43 1 MR. GRIFFIN: And you said they already .. I 2 corrected that? ,
3 No, they haven't, and they 4 probably won't until you tell enem about it.
5 MR. GRIFFIN: But you have already provided 6 that in your affidavit?
7 . I think so.
8 MS. ELLIS: About the light poles?
9 No, this is some more. The 10 light poles, they could take those out lixe so.
11 MS. ELLIS: I think the light poles are all 12 that you talked about I believe. I don't recall the other.
13 See, one day I want to set
- 14 down and just make a whole book of it, you know. But I 15 have always been so busy and I don't nave the education 16 and I can't do it, you know.
17 MS. ELLIS: There was an investigation done by 18 the NRC Region IV Off' ice aDout the tnings that were in 19 a newspaper article that were done.
20 MR. HERR: Excuse me, was that an investigation 21 or an inspection?,
22 MS. ELLIS: It was an inspection I celieve. I 23 don't thing it was done by the investigators.
24 MR. HERR: Thank you.
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3 We would much prefer that somebody 4
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5 On your inlet tube sheets.
6 They are 1/32nd flush, the tubes, and they are flared. If 7
they are sticking out,, you get a builo-up between your 8 tuces.
9 So when wer. flared .these we busted,a;1ot ~of tuoes,.
or quite a few ofIthem/as'a~" matter"of" fact.
10 Now tnis chart, and it sticks out, but we cut 11 them down like a half inch so it would look half way 12 decent.
But when we was flaring these tubes tney was 13 busting pretty bad, and the reason they was busted so bad g 14
' in this one area is because tne counterbore in your tube 15 sheet where it allows the flare to flare out was way 16 overboard.
So in order for us to flare it tight enough we 17 busted a tube, and the ones that aidn't bust we hadn't 18 flared it tignt enough.
When you don't flare them tight 19 enough you get a build-up between your sheet and your 20 tuoes and it eats the tube off.
21 Just,like the job in North Carolina, we had 22 holes in all the tuces before we ever got the fuel in 23 there. The first two weeks it .was eat up. So insteao of us 24 repairing it, 25 we had several months before the fuel came i
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7 Exhibit 3, the document just 8 referred to, follows:)
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condenser to the turbine. Again, I hate to bring up 6
e.xperience, but when you are bringing this condenser up, ycu set tne condenser low, but when you set the turbine in 8
they can set it on the right elevation and not be in tne 9
way.of the condenser.
10 Khen you get your turbine perfect within so 11 many thousandths, you bring your condenser up to meet. You 12 don't make a contact with your turbine. You come up like a 13
. quarter of an inch or an eighth of an inch with your I4 expansion joints. You have an expansion join't in between it. Then you tie them together.
16 Well, the condenser was so heavy when you load I
it with tubes and everything. It procably weighs 600 tons.
18 Well, we took all our jacks and put them on one end so we 19 had to rack it up. Of course, wnen you jack at one end it 2,0 tnrows it way in and then you pick tne other side up and 21 it tnrows it way in.
22 So I told tnis general foreman 23 I told the ot.her foreman don't tie 24 anything to tne turbine to tne condenser. I said we are 23 going to go up and it is going to fall down, but when we TAYLOE ASSOCIATE 5 1625 i STREET. N.W. - SUITE 1004 WASHINGTON. D.C. 20006 (202) 293 3950
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turoine over. We went ahead and got it up. Well, inrtead I
of tnem. maning a final check to see_.whetner they-was-in 8
line-or- not, they just. assumed.they were.and they was 9
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11 They took a reading and tney was three-eighths 12 of-an inch off alignment. So they went up here and they 13 took jacks and tney started jacking and, ooy, jacked it ,
14 all tne way over to where they want it and they release 15 it, that little old expansion joint,.and pulled it back.
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.The little expansion joint was a one loop and it was an 17 eignth of an inen thick and it had one little fillet welo 18 on eacn sice of it, real weak. They put several, several ,
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8 MR. GRIFFIN: Is this a non-Q area also?
Miy$;)tM'h l Rignt, it is non-Q. We are 10 !
down here tnrowing tnat turbine back. They started having 11 i us jacx it. i We jacked it up and down putting all kind of '
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foreman over the turbine that I weren't going to jack it 16 no more without them giving me written permission to do it' N
or telling me to do it in writing because I says I might 18 want to work another job somewheres, an'd'I said I will 19 never work for Brown and Root again if we rip it out, but 20 I might want to worx anotner construction job, you know.
21 So finally they qui- jacking it then.
22 Also, as we jacy.ed the condenser up, tne pipe 23 department was tied in with our. pipe. They was also 21 supposed to tage a pipe up with us , wnich they didn't do, 25 and we put a lot of stress on the pipe.
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12 MR. GRIFFIN: We would appreciate that because 13 f these guys can go right to the stuff and look at it, it ;
I4 will sure be helpful.
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9 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. I think we have got that 10 down in tne testimony.
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Dockets: 50-445 50-446 Texas Utilities Electric Comcany
._ h k h h ATTN: M. D. Spence, President, TUGC0 % ucc.smo N'4h Skyway Tower JUN 2 2 1984 400 North Olive Street Lock Box 81 IEXAS UTIUTIE3 GEiiEW!NG CO.
Dallas, Texas 75201 NUCLEAR SERVICES DIV.
Gentlemen:
The attached. enclosures are matters relating to alleged imorocer construc h practices involving the Comanche Peak Steam Electric Station main concensers 4August Units24,11983 and 2) expressed by an alleger during an interview conduct Region IV. Although the condenser units are components within the 80F classification, the allegations expressed raise concern as to the quality of workmanship that could impact on reactor safety.
in writing within 20 days, your assessment You of the,to provide are requested,lextent tnat your this quality office control program was creviously fabricationandinstallationf2 summary of implemented during condenser unit ion of the test results that will reflect existing leak rate.; and an eval c-5 .aintain imoact of any expected condenser tube leakage on chemistry. / cur acility satisfactory steam generator secondary sice wate.
The response directed by this letter is not subject to the clearance procedures of the Office of Management and Budget as reou, rec cy the Pacerwork Recuction Act of 1980, PL 96-511.
Sincerely, i ; jc' . -'
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R. L. 32ngart, Director.
Region IV Comancne Peak Task F:rce r
Enclosures:
Alleger's Recorced Staceaents:
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4 conce..sers, for instance, we took air nammers and sledge 5 That is a no-no. Anybody would haemers and ceat tuces.
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8 and drive them. We put ice on to, shrink enem and put enem 9' That is a no-no. You are supposed to in the condenser.
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19 tnis stutf. The next day we had a meeting and we all went O
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16 condensers. Alla rignt, in condenser A on the inlet end on You have got tne west oox and it is in three sections.
Sacx there you have got 18 some cracxed tube sheets in here.
19 some cracked tube sheets. You have got overrolled tuces or "O
barely overrolled. They are supposed to be rolled 069 They allow us ng
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t U to go to 071 tneusana.
he went up 90-some enousands.
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24 expander run out. Manually ne rolled it so tight the 2 expander and motor jumped off. They just pop the= just 0
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cillion goot-up. Westinghcuse said wait a minute, I :ning 3 we can straignt tnis proclem out since it is air 6 condensers, wnich they went bankrupt anc are no more in
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' II twice as strong and not half.
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! 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Are tnese things still tnere? ,
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l~ There is a spider wed cracx. I snowed tne people the' 18 crack, and that is wnen I first starting getting the l
- 19 pressure, this is about three years ago, after I reported l 20 this stuff. I kept on insistin: en tnis crack, and taen 21 everycody would go cop, and . , he would gc, ycu 5 knew,1EEEEE, I am not for sure they are cracxed. I woula 3 go I am not. You know, you can tnrow a cat enrough it, an:
24 he goes no, no, nc.
3 Well, undoucted TUGCO told nim to cack cif.
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l 6 that Stuff. So they intergrooved tne tube sheet anc. Eney I still have got leaks over there on this section here and 8 we are not supposed to have no leaks at all.
9 MR. riERR: She can't see "rignt tnere" --
IC (Indicating tne reporter). So when you say section one, 11 identify wnat you are pointing to.
I 12 Okay. Condenser B, Unit 1,
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16 end, you are heavily overrolled and you undoubtedly nave II got cuite a few cracks in it. I can swear to enac. I know j
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24 mo r'e they leak, the more you roll, and tne more your roll, l 25 ne more camage you are doing. They just went nuts with ;
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9 very acod cesign'ed ccndenser, These was I woula say 10 a so-so condenser.
11 between 1 and 10 about a 6, you know,they mace the sheet 12 When tney intergrooved eneir sneet, 13 real, real thin. did anybody tell you or But 14 HR. GRIFFIN:
15 instruct you to do that? to stop
- I was instructed not 16 I was rO'. ling tubes and I was II leaxs, for instance. I nave got a water water box from leaking.
16 stepping tne is still leaking. I go tell 19 box over here leacing and it and I said ,
i M , and M says how does that box look, started leaking again, and l f
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- it l Ee goes goddamn, M , I can go Ul I have get to get it. Oney are. I f U cnere any day and maxe tnings cetter than I go I am just trying to stop don't want you to do tnat.
Yct ain't supposed te nave leans.
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still leaking when you left?
6 leaking today or it was was still leaking wnen I
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I 8 left and it is still leaking today because they didn't ' E 9 rework it. ?
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isho was the engineer?
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MR. HERR: Let me get one thing straight.
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2 13 Excuse me for a second.
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l'* MR. dEKR: hhat was cis title?
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l to the guy and ne just bought it off sitting in his 12 it got to a point where 13 office. Well, as r, c.atter of fact, ,-
j they wouldn't even come'and look at none of the welds.
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14 15 Tney woulc just buy them off.
, Who' is this guy agai'n that bought ,
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21 ,i name was - M_. .!
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.s ended up i.. OC. I thing ne t rj I XR. HERE: What year was tnat?
23 Fe This was precably '79 or 'oc r m2P52P3?S:
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M: Balance of plant. You said that tne conciensers here are non-0, out they are Q at other plants?
13 They are Q in South Texas. I:
14 They are 15 is according if they want to make them Q or not.
16 safety relatec because ycu can',t operate the plant'without i
It is just'that simple. For instance, that 1- t'ne . condenser. I ne tuce Is I
is une reason ycu nave got che intergroove in ,
I 19 snee. cecause you cannet allow the water in tne steam I don't 20 generator cecause tney got problems, you Know.
.ow fas: they can cool a reac:cr down if scce:.iing i
21 l knew c :ne condensers, 1. 4e t- .. tube sneets cus: cut
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This is a rea., goo example. Tnese tube 8 support sheets came in. We laid them on top of each other 9 and we put s cowel pins in them. Scme of tae neles was 10 three-eigntas of an inch off. from the otners, you know.
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12 are going to have a proolem here. These holes are way off. ,
13 well, he calls Westinghouse, and Westinghouse says ch, 14 enere is nothing to it. g says, g , they are just 15 tnree-eighths of an inch off. I said well, you have got :-
16 three foot from the center of one sheet to the other, and .
1~ , wnen you start off with three-eighths of an inch off you to c.7e other end, you l 15 I are off quite a ways when you ge-1 l
19 know, tne three foot.
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can expand in its track without roll these.
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been covered up except week and read the inside 9 cown tnere any day of the lled. ,
diameter of your tube and you know you are overro 10 I could actually put my finger Everytning that 11 just like they automatically agree, on, like the letter, That is a 15 cent item I 12 13 ene lignt poles, you know. d Well, they jumped on that with both hands an 14 brought up. They really and made a big deal out of it.
13 both feet 16 cleaned tnat up.
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! ;l was undersi:eo and tne pipe Of in enere. The holes of it went in enere and redrilled them and they us2d 3 department luce oil or some type of cutting oil and 0; cutting material, 23 :ney ust pulled it Off an tnere it was. '
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MR. GRIFFIN: i 6 enat in your afficavit? {
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down and just make a whole book of it, 14 nave the education 13 have al.ays been so busy and I don't and I can't do it, you know.
16 an investigation done by g: There was 17 tne tnings that were in 18 ene NRC Region IV Office accut 19 a newspaper article tnat were done. an investigation was that MR. dERR: Excuse me, ;
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5 : On your inlet tube sheets.
6 They are 1/32nd flush, the tu=es, and tney are flared. If 7 they are sticking out, you get a builc-up between your 8 tuces. So when we flared these we busta: a 1; r.f taces, 9 or cuite a few of them as a matter of fact.
s 10 Now tnis chart, and it sticks out, but we cut 11 them down like a half inch so it would look nalf way 12 decent.' But when we was flaring tnese tubes tney was
- O 13 busting pretty oad, and the reason they was busted so bad 14 in this one area is because tne counterbore in your tube 15 sheet wnere rc. allows the flare to flare out was way 16 overboard. So in order for us to flare it tight enough we 9
17 busted a tuce, and the ones tnat cicn't bust we hadn't 18 flared it tignt enough. Wnen you don': flare enem tight 19 enough you get a build-uq between your sheet and your N tuces and it eats the tube off.
21 Just lir.e tne joo in Noren Carclina, we nad ,
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8 they can set it on the right elevation and not be in tne 9
way of tne condenser.
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4 I4 expansion joints. You have an expansion joint in,between I
it. Then you tie them together. '
16 Well, the condenser was so neavy when you loaci ;
I* it witn tubes and everything. It procacly weighs 60L tons. i 18 Well, we toox all our jacks and put tn e.T on one end so we j 19 nad to rack it up. Of course, wnen you $ack at one end it I i.
a0 tarows it way in and then you pick tne other side up and l 1- .nrows it way in.
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going to go up an.1 it is going to fall d:.cn, but wnen we I
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II They took a reading and tney was tnree-eighths 12 of an inch off alignment. So they went up here and they I3 took jacks and they started jacking and, ocy, jacked it ,
i l' all the way over to.whe're they want it and they release l 15 it, that little old expansion joint, and pulled it back.
i 16 The little expansion joint was a one loop and it was an II eignth of an inen thick and it had cne little fillet wel: [
l 18 on eacn sice of it, real weas. Tney put several, several ;
I 19 tens on it. I will show you wha it looked like. l 20
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5 MR. GRIFFIh: Your crew was down tnere putting 6 this t.urbine en tcp of tnis condenser?
I : Right. ,
8 ,M R . GtIFFIN: Is this a non-Q area also?
9 . Rignt, it is non-Q. We are ,
10 down here tnrowing tnat turbine back. They started having l
II us jacx it. We jacked it up and down putting all sind of j 12 stress en it, and well sideways. You know, you can tear I3 tnat little expansion joint out. i i
14 so I finally told and tne general -
15 foreman over the turbine that I weren't going to jack it 16 no more without enem giving me written permission to oo it l l~ cr telling me to do it in writing because I says I mign: ,
18 want to worn another jco somewheres, and I saic I will 19 never worx for Erewn and Roc again if we rip it out, -cut ,
to I might want to worx antener construction joo, you know.
21 So finally tney cuit .acking it enen.
22 l Alsc, as we jacxed the condencer up, tne pipe a.
department was -lec in with our pipe. They was a:.so supposed to tage a pipe up with us, wnich tney cicn't oc,
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5 MR. GRIFFIN: The condenser tubes?
6 : Right, on tne condenser. Tnis I
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9 1.iR . GRIFFIN: Can we have unis also so we can 10 give it to the inspectors?
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ie' MR. GRIFFIN: We would appreciate that because J
I3 if these guys can go rignt to the stuff and look at it, it 14 will sure be nelpful.
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MR. GRIEFIN: Okay. I tnink we cave got that 10 down in tne testidiony.
11 : We put several, several, I 12 thing t o or three hundred tons against it.
I3 Okay, stainless steel liners. This is lire the 14 reactor building and tne fuel building, he are supposed to 15 This is not in there.
have a gap in here on our fit-ups.
16 This is something new?
MA. GRIFFIN:
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j MR. GRISFIN:
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U : This is a stainless steel 24 liner. This is an embed floor plate to angle on the cottom e*- I don't xnew exactly wnere, but and side plate to angle. l 1
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h5 it is covered up.
In my opinion, it is not corrected at Q 6 all., That a $ is the reason I wanted to bring it out and I 7
woulo like to snow people. They stuff here coulcn't nave 8
been covered up except by paperwork because you can g:
9 cown enere any day of the week ano read the inside 10 diameter of your tube and you know you are overrolled. ". k.e 11 Everytning that I could actually put myfingkr 12 on, like the letter, they automatically agree, Just lixei ,.
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f 13 ene lignt poles, you Know. i That is a 15 cent item I {
14 brought up. t-
' Well, they jumped on that with both hands and 15 both feet and made a big deal out of it. They really 16 cleaned tnat up.
Well, you have got some spray pipes also dcwn - '
18 in there. Kell, it is going to be a bigger joo to cut them o
L 19 loose to do it. They haven't even mentioned that, 20 see. I think I mentioned that one in my affidavit. Tna: coes 4- I 21 tne fuel pools. You nave got four spray pipes tnat go dcwn i 22 in nere. The holes of it {
was undersirec and tne pipe !
department went !
in enere and redrilled them and they used 24 cutting material, luce oil or some type of cutting oil and 25 ney just pulled it off and tnere it was, a4;r .~
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2 corrected that?
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5 MR. GRIFFIN: But you have already proviced l 6 that in your affidavit?
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8 MS. ELLIS: About the light poles? ;
9 g .e;,, > amc- p3 No, tnis is some more. Tne 10 light poles, tney could take those out lixe so. I 11 MS. ELLIS: I tnink the light poles are all .
12 that you talked about I believe. I don't recall the other. ?_ ,
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i 14 down and just make a whole book of it, you know. But I i
1 15 nave always been so busy and I don't nave the education l 16 and I can't do it, you know.
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l 19 a newspaper article tnat were done. I 20 MR. HERR: Excuse me, was that an investigation !
t 21 or an inspection?
l r MS. ELLIS: It was an inspection I oelieve.
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24 MR. HERR: Thank you.
3 M5. ELLIS: This is one of tne things tna.
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5 THE WITNESS: When I got there to witness the 6 heat numbers on there and witness the cutting and everything, 7 then I saw the pipe was really badly out of round. i 4
i 8 So I measured it. It was -inch out of round. '.
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! 17 that pipe -- and the thing is, they needed that; because 13 that was the only pipe that we had of that particular crade 19 on-site.
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2 And I told him that that --
in order for you to be 3l able to find those pieces and know what they were, you had to 4 have all that information.
5 But he kept on at me and told me that I had 6 to do it. ,
7 So finally I sat down and I wrote it, and I wrote 8 it against the heat number. -
9 Q Okay. At the time he was telling you to do this, .
10 what did you believe his reasoning was for asking you to 11 delete the specifics on your NCR?
U A Really, I thought he was dumb!
13 . I really thought he just didn't understand what was
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15 Q Did he make any statements to indicate what his 16 thinking was?
17 A He told me he didn't understand, he just couldn't 13 understand the NCR that I had written.
19 And I kept telling him that it was necessary to 20 have the drawing and the ITT spool number and the piece i
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U l And he kept telling me that it messed it up, he U f Oculdn't understand it.
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4 heat number was to be picked up and taken to the structural 5 steel fab shop and used as hanger material.
6 Well, then, later on I had reason to look uo that 7 NCR and see what happened to it; because I found that piece CT pump system, that piece 38 that I had written up.
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1 10 A Yuh, that's right.
11 Right there coming off the pool.
U: MR. IPPOLITO: Excuse me.
4 13 Do you recall the number of the NCR?
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14 THE WITNESS: I believe I found it, yes, sir; 2
1 15 I believe it's in here.
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16 (Pause) 1 4 17 0h, isn't it in here?
i j 13 MR. IPPOLITO: I don't remember having seen it.
19 THE WITNESS: Well, I have that NCR nu=ber. I
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4 I have a little slip of paper.
21 I have it and another NCR that was written on 0: the same day by another inspector.
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2 Q That's all right.
3 MR. IPPOLITO: Would one of you two =ake a note of 4 that? -- the NCR number?
5 MR. GRIFFIN: Because that would really help us, 6 you know.
7 THE WITNESS: Well, if you pull the cackage, 8 CTlFB -- let's see -- CTlFB14, okay, Piece 38, well, there 9 was also a problem with that -- I guess I better c?.e to that 10 later.
11 Anyway, when I went back to the NCR, it had been --
12 it was on Rev.-5, it had been revv'd four times after I 13 saw it by the engineers.
14 And by then it didn't say anything in the world 15 like what I had started out with. But the copies should be 16 or are available in the vault -- should be a co y of the t,* . .
original rev.
19 MR. IPPOLITC: The original rev?
19 I didn't realize, but what you are telling me:
M you can revise an NCR numerous times?
21 THE WITNESS: They do. 'They do; yes.
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ust like 5 So they had revised it to where they used it anyway, violation.
6 because they already had it welded in. And I remenber that ad the 7 system, because it took two weeks to get that welded in.
8 They couldn't get the pipe to' fit. _
9 And the reason they couldn't get the pipe to fit 10 is because it was like this (indicating)!
11 It was out of round. erstand la Q Okay. -l 2 it was 13 , Will the CT number and will the NCR number that 14 you will provide us, will this give us what we need to go tsly, 15 and locate -- he 18 A Yes.
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-- locate not only the piece but where it's I have 13 installed? : know.
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23 Q Do you have every reascn to believe that it's had my 21 still on-site?
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2 MR. IPPOLITO: Okay.
3 THE WITNESS: And what I've seen done is they 4
have some kind of a T-jack, like this (indicating) and they 5
would apply heat and keep going like that (indicating) until 6
they would get the pipe more rounded.
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8 Q Is there a procedure that allows them to do this? -
9 A No. .
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12 Q I see in your affidavit here you say: I have 13 knowledge about cases where craft received out of round 14 piping and pulled it so as to achieve roundness.
15 Tell me about this?
16 A That was when I was working in the pipe shop, I've 17 seen them do that. And I've seen them do that out in the 13 field.
19 When I would see them doing it, I would co uo to U see what it was they had. And they were always working on 21 Class-5 or 6, something like that, 4, 5, or 6; so back then
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5 Q And you are saying sta:nless steel pipe was the 6
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7 A I know it was buttered; I signed it off.
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10 And I measured it. And it measured about 1 or lh inches 11 showing that they had welded that far; and then they took U
a grinder and they ground it down smooth and everythinc sc 13 it blended in with the pipe and looked just like the pipe. '
14 And you would have to do an etch to find it.
15 Q How long a piece of pipe was this?
- 16 A I think we're talking about 12-inch pipe.
17 MR. IPPOLITO: I believe you mean length?
13 THE WITNESS: Length?
19 MR. IPPOLITO: 12-inches in diameter.
O How long?
21 THE WITNESS: 4 fact, something like that.
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gh7.CWN 7 A I wouldn't think so.
8 gM But I know that it was Piece 38. And I know, too, -
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13 in CMC 3 which is what we had then, it was called Piece 33.
14 CMC Rev 3 was not in the package, you couldn't U5 find it, where it referred to it as Piece 38.
16 Now, on the drawing and everywhere it's called 17 Piece 48.
i 13 Q So sc=ewhere during the revisions they dropped a 19 piece number, and then in later editions they added ancther 20 piece number?
- 21 A It became, instead of Piece 38, it became Piece 48.
5 But you have to have Rev.-3 to knew that it was 1
23 Piece 38 on Rev.-3, and then Piece 43 on Rev.-4 because if 21 you don't have 3, and you didn't knew what happened, you're
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4 kj/XAOUJ.y Q product Assurance, right. We get
.5 into everytning, concrete pouring and mecnanical. For 6 TUGCO I-had to buy off installation or final setting of 7 the No. 1 reactc. vessel. They changed their procedure a 8 little bit. They came up with a system, they had what they 9 called a traveler. Do you know what a traveler is, a 10 construction traveler? They would make up a traveler. .
11 TUGCO would put hold points on this thing and we went up 12 and checked it at different stages of the Brown and Root's 13 procedure.
14 Well, Westinghouse recuired Brown and Root to 15 maintain a minimum of 75 percent contact surface on the 16 reactor vessel support plates. You know, you have got 1 eight nozzles and four of them that sits on a foundation.
18 Tnere is a piece of, and it is the same type of material 19 that they make Dall bearings out of, a special shim plate 20 that goes in between the concrete structure and the 21 reactor vessel, and they had to hand fit this thing. Well, 22 after about two or three weeks of fiddling around with t3 this thing, Brown and Root was ready for the final okay 24 tr'm o TUGCO to go anead and set it in.
25 So sent me up tnere to check it cut.
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1 So I looked at all four of tne supports and looked at ne 2 glueing tnat tney had on \enere. They nad the thing pulled 3 up about this far.
, 4 MR. GRIFFIN: You are talking about a foot cr a 5 little over a foot? .
6 . ( gcgDMX1iM Just far enough where you could 7
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see under the thing. So I stuck my flashlight underneath 8 tnis thing in the back, and of course I am hanging 9 upsidedown when I am doing it, and I saw these cracks End 10 chips on the reactor vessel, on the support block. I says ,.
11 hey what is this? Tne Brown and Root mechanical inspector 12 is rignt.behind me, and I say wnat is the deal nere? You 13 have some cracks and chips on this thing. He says, oh,
-14 yea, three of the four no: les are like that. Oh, no, man, 15 you can't say that. I says hold it.
16 So I went down and I got hold of Brown and 17 , Root and tney went "blaaaa",they didn't know what to do.
18 Nothing is wrong, it is okay. So I went down and got the 19 Westinghouse field engineer and he came up and he went 20 berserk, just totally berserk.
21 .Are you familiar with wnat happens to steel r when it becomes irradiated with neutrons?
23 MR. GRIFFIi4 : No, I am afraid I don't.
24 g w_.. c d : Well, with normal steel there :.s a j 3 condition wnere at about zero degrees Fahrenheit if tnere l
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11 The cure for it was simple. All they had to do 12 was grind it out and then smooth it again, just remove the 13 cracks and the cnips. But Browb and Root didn't want to 14 tell anyoody about it because tney thought nobody would
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9 MR. GRIFFIN: So what eventually happened to 10 this particular thing that you identified, these cracks? .
11 # 6%~ )) Westinghouse forced them to grind 12 it out and put liquid penetrant.
13 MR. GRIFFId: Did you loox at it after they had 14 done their repairs or rework?
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v-16 MR. GRIFFIN: Was the proolem resolved and do 17 you think it is proper now?
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21 U ,' -- Il Tnis is due to m.y lonc.-standin:.
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- 3 if you would describe the issues that you looked at.
MR. CHEN: Okay. The allegation numbers are AP-15 4
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MR. HOU: Also, AQW-28 and AQW-30.
6 Yes. I didn't really look at those, 7 MR. CHEN:
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Very well. Start on 15 and 16, -
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MR. CHEN: Okay. AP-15 and 16 have to do with a
. 12 I 13 piece of nonconforming pipe which was installed in a 14 containment spray system, a pipe initially described as 15 being half an inch out of round. It was claimed that the
' 16 ends of the pipe had been buttered, possibly to increase the wall thickness.
Let me just address the business about the 17 18 buttering up of the ends of the pipe.
19 My investigation showed that the end of the pipe 20 was, indeed, buttered. There was an area --
We're still here. Keep going.
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8 Any comments? /g 9 MfMMMjM I never said it violated the code. [
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12 buttering, the fact that the pipe was a half inch out of the ,
13 round, the fact that it has an NCR against it and they used I'
14 it anyway, that was the problem, not that it was buttered. [
15 I don't have a problem with buttering pipe. I've seen a lot j.
of pipe and inspected and signed off a lot of pipe that as 16 -I 17 buttered. And if you will check that one, the sign off for 18 the buttering was signed off by me.
Yes, that's correct. In fact, I did j 19 MR. CHEN:
20 note that.
21 MR. WESSMAN: Keep going, Paul, and keep 3
! 22 describing what you looked at on the outer round part then.
MR. CHEN: On the outer round part, since the 23 l 24 pipe was already installed, I could not determine how much
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From the data that I saw, I l-4 pipe was somewhat oversized.
5 don't think it was as much as a half inch. I think I saw a 6 quarter of an inch on the portions of the pipe on which the 7 measurements were taken.
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What did we conclude? Did we find it acceptable 16 l i 17 to use it that way, or what was your opinion, Paul? l 10 MR. CHEN: Okay. I gather from what is being said 19 there, though, thethingthat(([/hadtheproblemwithis .-
20 the fact that the pipe had an NCR against it, and it was 21 installed, despite the fact that there was an NCR against 22 it. I did not actually investigate that portion of the
' allegation, okay. Somebody else did that. But that was 23 24 verified.
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1e 11 and whether that kind of repair would have any safety ,I 12 effects. At that point, we feel there is no problem. }
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14 which was written, I think, which said that the pipe was i ia 15 installed, although it did have hold tags against it. ..,
3n 16 [ Yes, there was.
e MR. CHEN: Okay. As far as your claim that the F 17 t 18 pipe had hold tags on it, because of the half of inch out of N, r
19 roundness that you identified, the OA/QC team has confirmed ,f 20 that was the case. What I'm saying is, in fact, that there 21 was an NCR written against it.
22 M M.U'fy?8Nd:ih What was the result of that NCR7 a The disposition, please. p-23 :.
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15 There is no way that we can tell that at this 16 point. Visually, I cannot tell that at this point. One 17 thing I found a little bit confusing, I think you had said, 18 in addition, that ycu though that that could have happened.
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' 6 thay were to 7 or Rev 2, of which I only made Rev 1 -- was, iron fab shop and use it for hanger 8 take that pipe up to the ion 1 9
material and inspectors subsequently signed an inspect i it hac been received there, yet that pipe .
9 10 report saying that installed. Subcequently -- new ,
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14 read nothing like what I wrote when I. ctarted out.
Do you not have the documentation there to bear 15 16 that out? I
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17 13 don'i have it with me here ...-.-.
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5 Less 6 [. ' } That's what you need.
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MR. WESS WI: What's the other two?
14 i 15 MR. HOU: There's an AOW-20.
I MR. CHEN: Let me ecme back a little bit, because 16 I think there's something here that's bothering me a li .tle i
17 13 bit. It teck them three weeks to achieve that ;it un, tu:
l do you knew what means were used to achieve that fit up?
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2 at secas to indicate the fit up was achieved by m2chanic21 3 means.
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10 MR. CHIN: Thers are meccurements en that pipe. I 11 ha /e seen maacurements that were taken en that e i n. e . .
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can you not believe ma that it was a half inch out 3
4 was also, when I wrote this up, because this was such a hc:
they 5 system, and this was the only pipe en this side that
, 6 brought up the construction superintendent, the construction 7 foreman, my supervisor and my leadman and had them all Also, that .
I i B concur, before I was allowed to write the NCR7 .
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supervisor, before I was even allcwed to get 10 I
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all you'd ha're to dc is lay another bead up cn top of ths 10 11 existing Jeld to bring it up to size.
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I 11 MR. C:IE;i: Ec 7 le rc cuil:. up f rom 1/2 to 5/07 12 Hcv could it be built up at one pass?-,.
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3 MR. CHEN: That's slightly different from i; hat we 4 had looked into.
I 5 I will take your allegation now as recharacterised 6 and look into it, and I'll get back to you on it.
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DAVpp 1 all o f the individuals involved with this particular veld.
2 All the documentation is available. Preliminary findings 3 have been written. The Board's inquiry has been conducted.
4 All o f the people have been deposed or have te stified. The 5 only question le ft is the one that we thought you were ,
6 working on.
7 MR. WESSMAN: I guess we've got some confusion on -
t 8 that. We have to go back and be sure that we have looked at 7 9 it. It doe sn' t sound like we have fully looked at all those ,
10 ASLB documents and I'm' not sure we do have a sta f f po sition 11 on it yet. I think that's what we' re saying. _
12 MR. HOU: For the issue o f the QC hold point --
13 our review -- we feel that this is a violation.
14 MR. CHEN: It was a violation.
MR. HOU: It is an item o f violation.
We're 15 16 going to pursue on that.
17 MS. GARDE: You mean that weld tech hold points 18 were assigned.
19 MR. HOU: Unfortunately the reviewer today is find 20 sick and will not be able to provide the detail but we 21 this is a violation. This is an item which we have to 22 pur sue further.
That's only half the story. Was 23 MR. WESSMAN:
24 there a violation on the handling o f the weld tech hold 25 poin t s. The other part o f the atory is what's the sa fety
a 74 ja0606 CAVpp 1 acceptability on acceptability o f the weld?
2 MS. GARDZ: How can you say that when you don' t 3 know what the weld is?
4 MR. WESSMAN: We've got to pin down what it is.
5 MR. CHEN: Billie, let me point out what I'm 6 reading from here was some stuff which was done about a 7 month ago, okay? Subsequently Mr. Richards has been back at 8 the site and back in Bethesda doing some other things, okay?
9 It would appear from what Shou was telling me that indeed it ,
10 was picked up as a violation. What I'm reading here is from -
11 come preliminary stuff, okay?
12 MS. GARDE: I see. Well, if he is not looking at 13 the ASLB materials I'm not so concerned about the lawyers 14 arguments as much as the documentation and the facts 15 developed by the testimony of the people involved in this 16 incident. And then you're not looking at the full story.
17 MR. CHEN: I understand.
18 MR. HOU: I can tell you we have not finished our 19 review o f this item. We feel this is a violation and we 20 actually say that TUEC should make a complete tabulation o f 21 all well doccmentation that was not revealed by the ANI for 22 BNR procedure s.
23 So until that point we will know.
24 MS. GARDE: Your recolution?
25 MR. HOU: Reviewed by ANI, let me see.
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po06 07 CAVpp 1 MR. WESSMAN: We won't go for just accepting what 2 the ANI people say.
3 MR. HOU: I know we'll have to make an 4 independent decision on it.
5 Anyway, this is an open item. We're going to do 6 more work on it.
7 MS. GARDE: What you're suggesting is in your 8 request for information you're going to have them look at 9 amount of weld tech hold points that were assigned; have the ANI look at the number of weld tech points that were y 10 -
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MR. CHEN: Who is that, Billie? This is Paul 12 13 Chen, again.
14 Apparently some other things have developed since 15 I last spoke to Charlie Richards on this. From what Shou is 16 saying it would appear that subsequent to the preparation of 17 the report that I have here, it has been identified as being 18 an open issue or as being a violation, rather, o f our 19 procedure s. I think at this point we're going to have to do 20 oome kind of sa fety assessment o f that.
21 MS. GARDE: I hope you go out and look at that 22 particular weld.
23 MR. CHEN: I'm sure we'll have to do it as part 24 o f our a ssessment.
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17 MR. CHEU: It'a about a month old.
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REPORT OF INQUIRY April 8, 1983 COMANCHE PEAK SES
SUBJECT:
ALLEGED INADEQUACIES IN "AS BUILT" QC INSPECTION PROGRAM
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REPORT NUMBER: Q4-83-009 On A ril 6-7, 1983, ": 4 v~- r m " - Brown and Root Incorporated.
- 1. s interviewed by NRC Investigator (B&R QC Inspector'at Comanche Peak 5 D. D. DRISKILL at G'ranbury, Texas. xecuted a Confidentialit Aoree-ment, Attachment (1) and .ySigned Sworn tatement, Attachment stated he has been employed in this capacity at CPSES sin and worked in the Qualit . Assurance Specialist Group from . .
ated in the early2tage ,o_f the C[SES "As_ Built" Inspection Program,
@1_n_spectors the QC were requ_ ired, to condiict a compTete reinspection of all ,
pipfng__and pipe hangers. He stated these inspections immediately began to identify numerous dimensional discrepancies in installed pipe hangers. 6
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the,QC inspectors to discontinue conducting _ material dfmensjonal checks on hange_r,s and 16TerTfy only_ general confa7r_a,l[on_of ha_ngers[. ~6t'ated" that the vendor certified drawings (VCDs , now in existence, have been tated he believes generated from the "As Built" program now ex inspections. @ist on VCD I' ,( ,',~iftin~drisidii ch'e~ckY).
I that numerous material dimensional deficiencies been approved 76titiid'the program tie ~liigTsYd ~t6TeFify the piping VCDs also includes only general configuration checks (vice material
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to determine aid this information is thenwhat revi'sion:the compiled on a computer c,omponent was 'last rint-out providing all inspected pertinent infonnation related to that inspection. 2 .tated the Design Change Verification Group is'then comparing the print-out data to the latest .
revision'of the CMC or DCA on file. He stated that if the revision on the print-out is the same as the latest revision of.the DCA, the inspector then I
generates a satisfactory inspection report. 6 tated these inspectors are not allowed to review any QA/QC documents to determine wh~ ether a ~ physical
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