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| Issue date: | 06/12/1985 |
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1 1 BEFORE T ri S FACf FINDING TASK FORCE
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13 Proceedings botore tha Nucicar Regulatory 11 Conisaton Fact Finding Task Forca in regard to 12 tno 2 ora 4nontioned avent, neld ,s t the Divia-avasa t j 13 Nuclaar Plant, 04K !! ) r b o r , Onlo, c a.n iu o n c i n g on 14 .d e d n a:J a y , Jano 12, 1)dS, at 12:30 o' clock p.m.
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2 Ernie Rossi (NRC) l l
l 3 J. T. Beard (NRC) l l
t 4 T. Larry Ball (NRC) l I
I j a Wayne Lanning (NRC) f I
6 Stepnen Burns (NRC OELD) {
7 Wayne Snatar (NRC-III) l t
8 I. Nick Jackiw (NRC RIII) l 1
9 S te v e diddman (TED-Sanior Licensing .
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? l 11 Ted J. Myers (TED-Nuclaar Satuty and l 12 Licensing Director) 1
() 13 Ben Burton (TED-Outage Management Supervisor) 14 John K. Wood (TED-Pac. Engeg. Gen. Supe.)
15 Don Lae (TED-Maintenance Superintendant) l 16 Terry Murray (TED-Aasistant Vice President 17 of Nuclear oporations) ld Jay E. Silberg (TED-Attorney) 19 l 20 21 l l
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4 MR. ROSSI: What we'll do is go around the 5 room and ovarybody can introduce tnamselves, say sno 6 eney arc, and I'll start. Why don't wa go just 7 around this way and and over nare.
3 So I'm Ernie Rossi, and I'm trom tuo NRC 9 and a member at the fact tinding team.
10 MR. BEARD: Any name is J. T. Beard. I'm 11 with the NRC, and I'm on the tact finding team tor 12 tnis ovent.
() 13 MR. BURNS: My name is Stcve Burns. I'm 14 legal counsel with the NRC.
15 MR. BELL: Larry Bell with tne tact 16 finoing team tor the NRC.
17 MR. LANNING: Waync Lanning with the NRC la tact finding team.
13 MR. WIDEMAN: Steve Widaman, Tolcdo Edison i
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21 MR. NYERS: Tod Myors, Toledo Edison, 22 nuclear sataty and licensing director.
23 MR. JACKIW: Nick Jackiw, NRC, Region 3.
24 MR. S il A P E R : Wayne Shatar, NRC, RJgion 3.
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1 MR. BURTON: Ben Burton, Toledo Edison, 2 outage managament supervisor.
3 MR. WOOD: Jonn Wood, Toledo Edison, 4 engineering.
5 MR. LES: Don Loo, Toledo Edison, l 6 maintenance superintendant.
i 7 MR. MURRAY: Terry Murray, Tolado Edison, 8 assistant vice president of nuclear operations.
9 MR. ROSSI: Okay. The purpose of this j
j 10 meeting is to talk about tne aquipment troazo, and j 11 wnat we're going to do is to listen to the 12 licenseca' proposals on how they intend to go about 13
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15 records on the as-found condition of the equipment 16 and the causos of cquipment maltunctions.
- 17 What we intend to do is to liston to your 18 proposal on how you intend to do tnst. And then wo 19 will c.s u c u s , I guess, amongst the NRC peoplo tor a 20 short pariod of tima. And then we can raconvena the 21 macting and try to como to some decision about 22 releacing the equipment so that you can begin to 23 troubleshoot it, find the csuaan of tha equipmont 24 malfunctione, and eventually repair anything tnat ACE FEDERAL REPORTERS INC.
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- 2 Now, our interest in this equipment is to 3 make sure that we know the status of it at this !
4 point in time and wa know the reasons tor any 1 5 malfunctions so tnat we can como-to, conclusions on 6 our team as to the root causa of the failuro of the 7 pieces of aquipment that you had problems with 8 during the avont. Do any of the other team members 9 want to add anything to that?
10 MR. BEARD: I'd lika to add it's my 11 understanding tnat Tolado Edison is going to have a 12 list of all the equipment that they've put on 1
() 13 quarantina. That will be the suoject-ot the meeting 14 as well as somo discussion as to why it was put on 15 quarantine and tollowed by soma discussions maybe 16 why it should be released from quarantine.
17 MR. ROSSI: And there was one other thing la that we needed from Toledo Edison. That is any work 19 tnat has already -- had already bean done on the 20 oquipment before you wero told to ossentially frocze 21 it and do no moro. So we naod that information also.
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6 1 MR. R O S C.I : Why don't you s ta te what you k- ' 2 had asked for because we discussed that at one point 3 in tima and that sounds like a good starting point 4 tor this maating.
5 MR. Sil A F E R : When tha licensea was 6 notified at 10 a* m . on Monday to stop all work 7 activitics, I also requasted from Mr. Steve Quannoz 3 a list or all work activities tnat had been 9 conductad prior to the notification to caase work 10 30tivities.
11 MR. ROSSI: And have you received that 12 list as yet?
/m 13 MR. S li A F E R : ti o , I have not.
(u) 14 MR. ROSSI: Do you have that list?
15 t1R . MYERS: That la in preparation. I da 16 not Know the status of the whole package. John?
17 MR. .1 0 0 0 : We have a listing or we hava 18 items that have baan worked on that wo nave some 19 reports on. We do not have a complate list at this 20 timo.
21 MR. BEARD: This is a list of equipm3nt 22 that's -- for which work was done or s list of 23 equipment for -- that was under quarantina? I'm
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7 1 MR. SHAFER: A list ot any worx that was oN 2 accomplished on those items that waro quarantined.
3 MR. BEARD: OKay. And we're saying that 4 at about 4:30 on Wednesday, you Know, two and a half 5 days lator, the list is not completo yet?
6 MR. MYERS: Well, le t's rephrase that.
7 Okay. As a result of the discussion yesterday in 8 which you questioned oor not having the turbine 9 turning gear on tne items that we would have 10 initially quarantined, we suspandud all wors 11 activity _insido the fence except what required tech 12 spec surveillance testing.
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15 described to you yesterday, and did not seem to be 16 acceptable. As a result of that, we've gone back, t
17 and what we have noro today is a list of all work, i
18 current work requests -- or work orders in which 19 maintenance is panding to start on, that wo telt for 20 the initial activity of going through, we would 21 review in total.
22 So that we hava a proposal of that list, 23 and I don't xnow how many items are totally on the 7g 24 list. Tnero are approximately eight tha t we would V
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8 1 have placed under tha quarantine list, but --
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7 MR. BEARD: OKay. I sae where you're d coming from, Ted. Let.me back up a bit. Wayne, 9 nolp me a little bit. When the contirmatory action 10 letter was issued, did the letter specity in genaral 11 or specific t e.r m s what equipment was not to ba 12 worAed on any turtner?
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%d 13 MR. SHAFER: No, it did not. That was a 14 subject ot our discussicn at the last meeting that 15 we had. In tact, tnat was tnair concern, that it 16 was not specitic. And I believe tha twam nade a 17 decision that you would go witn it eno way it was 18 written; that is, ossentially all work activities.
13 MR. BEARD: My personal understanding was 20 tnat tne CAL would apply to all equipment wnien 21 maltunctioned as a part of the event that we're 22 looking into and were not applied to other 23 maintenance items previously scneduled or itoms 24 whicn woro not associated with tne ovent. I guess 7-
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9 1 I'm saying that, Tod, becausa I'm a bit surprised by 2 the s ta te men t you've stopped all msintensnca 3 activities witnin tne fence.
4 MR. MYERS: The confusion is exactly'how 5 long did the event occur, and as we were going to 6 cold shutdown, was that post event, was hot shutdown i 7 tne end of the event.
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9 MR. MYERS: For simplicity reasons and 10 compliance, we felt that more appropriate to make 11 sure we did not proceed outside of the intant of 12 what was going on.
(]) 13 MR. WOOD: Thare was also concern on our 14 part wnsthar tha intont was to cover equipmant that a
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4 17 MR. ROSSI: Well, one of the things wo la talned about yesterday with respect to the oquipma,nt 19 that probably doesn't need to be on the quarantine 20 list at all was that you'd come propsrud today to 21 tell us why you didn't thinn certain pieces of
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10 1 equipment that you toel is unrelated to the event 2 sutticiontly that you ougnt to be allowed to just 3 proceed on your way witn tha t?
4 MR. BSARD: Lot me asK, maybe for me, 5 it would be easier to start with a list of tno 6 equipment tnat's prosantly under quarantino and then 7 go to the subset of that, whicn is tna list of 8 subset whien would bo the aquipmant you tninx 9 sufticiently ramote trom the event you want more or 10 less immediate release for.
11 MR. WOOD: Okay. The list ot equipment we 12 have under quarantino right now is en9 ontiro list
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14 t1 R . BEARD: The entico plant?
15 MR. 00D: We hsd proposed yesterday a 16 listing of elevon items tnat we felt was appropriata 17 in the quarantino. What we have prepared hara is a 18 listing of all rasdy-to-work maintenance work ordora, 19 which is the 136 number, that we have made a review 20 of and Cael that only oignt or those 136 should be 21 turther talked about as being either under 22 qu1rantino or not under qusrantino.
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11 1 those could ba released to the tiald to continue
,s 2 work on. de tncn at a latcr point would like to 3 then bring to you tnose itama that raquire the tull 4 traceability control, ravi w the action plana, and 5 than get your concurrence on :noso action. plans 6 betore we gct into those systems accountable.
7 MR. ROSSI: So wnat you'ra really prepared d to tsik aoout today is I think it's 123 items that 3 you want reloase en to go and wort on indapendent of 10 the 9 vent and so torth.
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12 MR. a0SSI: And not talk ibout tne ones
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14 MR. WOOD: That's corroct.
15 MR. ROSSI: You're not prepared to talk 16 aoout thoso yet. All rignt. Fane. Nos --
17 Md. BEARD: Wa'ra going to le2Va the I la thinx it's aight you're proposing to r u .n a i n under 19 quirantine.
20 MR. MURRAY: Tharo aru algnt which wo 21 agrew tnero 10 prob 2bly some intaraat in as bcLag 22 associatad with the avont.
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12 1 release on, could you just tell us what tnoso eight 2 i te ms aro?
3 MR. WOOD: Let me hand to you the list of 4 maintenance work orders. Tncre's four copies thare.
5 MR. BURNS: Do you nava a copy for the 6 raportar? She'll just include it with the i
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i 8 MR. WOOD: There are ten pages to this
. 9 report. And you'll tind an "OK" in the left hand 4
10 margin of those that we beliove could be relaased.
11 There sill be a blank on those that we tual need T
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() 13 MR. MYERS: John, why don't you explain j 14 what this report.is?
15 MR. WOOD: Let me have Dan Burton join in, i
16 These are from your Davis-Besse maintenanco work 17 order, which is our computerizud maintananco requast, la maintenance work order ayatam.
19 MR. BURTON: The work tha t's laid out in j 20 tront of you with a s ta tus of P work spproved is now 21 on hold. It was and could be working. It's 22 approved by the shift suparvisors to work placed 23 into the shops and then instituto work on that i
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3 MR. ROSSI: Now, are you --
you haven't 4 prepared anything in writing on these 128 items as 5 to why they're not related to the event and should 6 be relaased, I assums?
7 MR. BURTON: That's correct.
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9 MR. ROSSI: Are you p r :s pa re d to verbally 10 go down the list one by one and tell us wnat the 11 item is and why it's not rolstod to the ovant?
12 MR. MYERS: One by ona or in groups.
() 13 Thora ara several, you'll see -- many of the 1 tomo 14 are painting activities, so there ara -- each ono by 15 one or by groups we can taxe and walk through.
16 MR. BEARD: You say some ot tha items 17 involve painting?
13 MR. MYERS: Yes, all activities are
, 19 covered under our maintenance work order systam. So 20 tha number 128 sounds like a lot, but a lot of them 21 are rather -- I don't want to say mundane, but 22 MR. ROSSI: Simple and straightforward.
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4 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Tnan let me asK tne 5 NRC p20ple including the team members and Region J 6 people, do you have any problem with going througn 7 and listaning to tnam and we can discuss vnethor we 1
8 agree tnat they can be releasad? I mean, do you 9 thing we'can do that?
i 10 MR. JAC41W: No problem, 11 MR. ROSSI: Th3re may bo a few of them 12 that are complicated.
() 13 MR. BEARD: I think as a general approach 14 tnat's almost ena only way we can do it because of i
15 tna magnitude of the number we're tsising about. wo 16 cortainly can't discuas 120' items in the caucus l 17 bacause we'd get them all mixed up, a 18 MR. ROSSl: So le t's just talk about them 19 in the order that you want to-talk about tham. And 20 maxe suro tnat nothing gets ott the list unloss i t.' s 21 ba;2n talksd about and we've agroed to it. I guess 22 t n -s t ' s what we can do.
23 tiR . BEARD: It would be halpful to me it 24 somebody could identify by page number and some G
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15 1 other detail which are the eight that you would 1
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3 MR. BURTON: Okay. If you'll look at Page 4 3 of 10, item No. 1-85-1169-00 is one of those items.
5 MR. BELL: dnat do those numbers mean?
6 MR. BURTON: Tuo numbers I just read to 7 yoa are the maintenance work order number associated 3 with the work to be done.
9 MR. BELL: This 1-85 d o e s n '.t mean that it 10 was initialed in January '587 11 MR. BURTON: No. Our maintenance work 12 orders have three distinct categories: 1 ooing a
() 13 correctiva work ordar, the 85 being the year in 14 wnien it was crea ted.
15 MR. BELL: So if I see a numoer over here 16 79, that's been on the work list since 1979?
17 MR. BURTON: That is correct.
18 MR. BELL: I come to Page 6, I see a 19 couple witn 78 and 79.
20 MR. LEE: More specifically the two 21 preceding the work order identifies it as a 22 modification ratner tnan a corrective maintenance 23 work order. And the number identifies the. year in
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16 1 MR. BURTON: And the 3 is a provantive
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3 MR. BELL: Oxay.
4 MR. BEARD: I assume that these numbers 5 are enronologically througnout the year?
6 MR. BURTON: Yes, they are.
7 MR. BEARD: What is the current number you 8 are at as of June the 12tn, today?
9 MR. BURTON: I do not Know the answer to 10 tnat. I don't tnink that's the last one we have in 11 thero.
12 MR. ROSSI: Well, why don't we continue
() 13 down tnrough the eight that you believe should 14 remain frozen for the time being. First one is on 15 Page 3.
16 MR. BURTON: Paga 3.
17 MR. ROSSI: Tna t's the only one on Page 37 IS MR. BURTON: Yes, sir.
19 MR. LANNING: Could you axplain tnat a 20 little bit, wnat is that item?
21 MR. LEE: Tha t's tho generic maintenance 22 work items for repairs to the auxiliary boiler.
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1 MR. LEE: Rathat than writa a specitic l f g
'l 2 work order each time sometning goes wrong with the 3 aux. boiler, we nave a generic, a work order tnat is 4 good tor the year or a tixed pariod of time. Any 5 maintananca work done on the aux. boiler during that 6 time is partormed and documentad on tnis one work 7 order.
8 MR. BSARD: It's like a blanket work order?
9 MR. LEE: That is correct.
10 MR. WOOD: I think we should mention we 11 don' t necessarily intend that these remained 12 quarantined, but we feel that more discussion than
.() 13 just a simple lina item here may oc appropriate.
14 MR. POSSI: Yes, I understand.
15 MR. BEARD: All right.
16 MR. BURTON: The next items are on Pago 5 17 of 10. They are items No. 1-85-1887 --
13 MR. BELL: On Page 4 of 10 there is -- is 19 that deletion, it doesn't --
deletion and line 20 through that doesn't have an "OK" by it. That's a 21 job tnat you don't want to perform?
22 MR. BURTON: It is completad. It's a job 23 'that is completed. This system is a little bit l
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3 MR. BELL: Excuse the interruption.
4 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Items 2 and 3 tn2n are 5 on Page 5, and you started to give the numbers.
6 MR. BURTON: Yes. I'll repeat the numbers.
7 They are 1-85-1887-00 and 01. Tnay partain to main 8 teed pump No. -- turbine No. 1. Tna specitic work 9 order requasts that wa put strip cnart recorders in 10 on tnis indication, tna t's the extant of that work.
11 It's just ins ta lla tion of strip chart recorders.
12 MR. BEARD: This would be a moditication?
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13 MR. BURTON: It is not a modification, no, 14 sir. It is a maintenance work order, correctiva 15 work order, to just install some new strip enart 16 recorders.
17 MR. BEARD: But installation of new 18 equipment is in somebody's view a modification.
19 MR. LEE: This is temporary test equipment 20 and does not constituto a modification.
21 MR. BURTON: It's not a modification.
22 Modifications will be depicted by a 2 in the tront 23 of it.
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19 1 This same type or worx order associated with No. 2 2 main feed pump turbine. Tne next item is on Page 6 3 of 10, it's 1-85-1934-00. This is on the turning 4 gear to install the power tuses.
5 The item below tnat, 1935, I'm sorry, 6 1-85-1935-00, is again a troubleshooting work ordar 7 on the main fead pump turbino. That's to 8 troubleshoot tne turbine.
9 MR. BEARD: Main feed --
10 MR. BURTON: Main teed pump turbine.
11 MR. BELL: Which ona?
12 MR. BURTON: That's No. 1, I think.
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14 MR. LEE: I would guess 2 based on the sub
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16 MR. BURTON: I'm sorry, that is 2, yes.
17 MR. SHAFER: If I may.
13 MR. BURTON: Yes.
19 MR. SHAPER: I would like to interject, 20 wnon we are looking at work such as this, it we 21 point out a need for NRC presence during the work 22 activity, then I will need a time schedula as to 23 when you propose to do that work so that I could get 24 the logistics and got the people out here.
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i 20 1 MR. ROSSI: Yos. I think today, as I N- 2 understand it, all we're going to talk about today 3 are the 12d items that do not need to be frozen, do 4 not nave to nava careful controls on them whan you 5 work on them and will not naed NRC follow up. And 6 then when you're raady, we'll talk about the onos 7 wncro NRC follow while you do tne work. May or may 8 not be appropriate; is tnat correct?
9 MR. WOOD: That's correct.
10 MR. ROSSI: So that simplifies tne problem 11 a little bit, I think, for today. Puts a hard 12 problem ott.
() 13 MR. BURTON: The next item is on Pago 7 of
, 14 10. Thia is a modification. It's 2-85-0087-01.
15 This is to install some temporary instrumantation.
16 I t's test instrumantation on the auxiliary faedwater 17 system.
16 MR. BEARD: Is this on just one of the f
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20 MR. BURTON: It is on the auxiliary 21 foedwater system. dould more than likely atfuct 22 both trains. The maintenance worn ordar looks at 23 botn trains in tnis casa. #
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21 1 are committed to doing a test program on tne steam k# 2 supply for the aux. taed pump turbines, that was a 3 part of the Region 3 inspection that wa had ovar the 4 last coupla of months. Inspector Isa Yin nas Dean 5 involved on tnat. And we have c o m.n i t t a d to doing a 6 test and to record load data on various nangers.
7 This tast equipment would than be involved in 8 gatnering that loading data.
9 MR. ROSSI: Okay. That's savan items that 10 I c0aat now.
11 MR. BURTON: That constitutes the entira 12 list, 7 instead of 3.
(r), 13 MR. ROSSI: So in looking at your list, I 14 gatner tnat you don't nava the maintenance work 15 orders preparad yet for troublosnooting, tixing somo 16 of tha equipment tnat you nad proclams with. So the 17 sevan isn't the whole thing. Liko MSIV problems and 13 SFRCS problems, those you just don't nava the 19 maintenance worx orders prepared yet. Ok39e I 20 understand. T 21 MR. MYERS: The first stags in the syste.n 22 is a raquest tor worn order witn tha 1.n i t i a l
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22 i 1 order. Most of those are in the roquest stage and 2 evaluation.
3 MR. ROSSI: Okay. I understand. Okay.
4 MR. MYERS: How would you like to do tnis? ;
5 MR. ROSSI: Well, I thinx why don't you 6 tell us now you propose to do it, and we'll complain 7 it we thinx that's sn inappropriate way, sinca you 8 came prepared.
9 MR. WOOD: I would proposo that Bon would 10 Just continue down the list and briefly explain tne 11 problem, and wa generally have concurrance that tnat 12 situation does not fall within the acope of the
() 13 detailed full traceability control worx raquest 14 system tnat we intend to use for the frozen system.
15 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Fine. You're going to 16 start with the first item on tne list.
17 MR. BURTON: I'll start with the first 13 item on tne list. Let me guslity something up tront 19 now. I'm not ready to discuss exactly what the 4
20 entire MWO says on each one of thase itema. We've 21 reviewed tnem from the status of did they, in fact, 22 impact on tno present situation whatner or not it 23 was the initiating avont or had anything to do witn 24 tno AFW system.
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23 1 so when it aays electrical covers missing, 2 those are covers on boxes, circuit boxes. They're 3 just going to replace those. It's on a specific 4 system. And I'm not aware of which exact system.
5 MR. 8EARD: Well, I have a real problem 6 witn that.
7 MR. BURTON: Okay.
8 MR. BEARD: From a personal perspective, ,
9 it we don't know what system is involved, I would be 10 hard pressed to give any assessment as to whetnar it 11 would be appropriate to release it or not. I can 12 understand you're not having the details, and I 13 certainly wouldn't expect a lot of details of 200 or
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14 so work orders, but not to be able to tell us what 15 systems we'ra talking about or some general concept 16 of it, I can't maxe a decision on tna t.
17 MR. ROSSI: Yes. I tnought yesterda, tnat 18 wc'd agreed that in order to let this stuff go, that 19 you would come and tell us wnat tne item -- well, 20 tall us your justification tnit tne item was not 21 involved in the event in any way. And in ordor to 22 do that, I would tninK w2'd have to Know wnat system 23 it is and wnat the piece of equipment is.
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7 MR. BEARD: In fact, I thought yesterday 8 we were talking about something in writing. And 9 now we've agreed to do it verbally becausa there 10 is not a written tning. And I nava real neartourn 11 ovar not being able to identify tne system or major 12 components involved. I mean, we've got to rigura
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15 Md. WOOD: We can get the listing of
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19 MR. BEARD: Have you dono a review of all 20 these and convinced yourselves that these really are 21 not involved without identifying what subsystems are 22 involved? Explain now you did that.
23 MR. BURTON: This review was done by the 24 opera tions personnel and by the the outage b)
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4 MR. ROSSI: Are tna people wno did that 5 review here in the room?
6 MR. BURTON: No, they are not.
7 MR. BEARD: They're not the people that 8 made the determination tnese ara not related to tna 9 ovent are not in the room?
10 MR. BURTON: I personally helped on most 11 of this item, but as I said, I don't recall each and 12 every one of the subsystems. But we did look at 13
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14 MR. BEARD: I would line to suggest that 15 we adjourn and get the appropriate people for this 16 discussion. Inon reconvene at a acceptable 17 agreeaole time.
18 MR. ROSSI: Yes, I guess my inclination is 19 I don't think you've come prepared to do wnat I 20 thougnt we were going to do.
21 MR. MYERS: Woll --
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's 2 the caratul controls and determine the as-found 3 condition and so forth. And it really appears tnat 4 you aren't prepared now to do that. But neitner the 5 people that did the review are nere nor sutticient 6 detail about why tua items are not ralated to the 7 event is availabla in the, you know, today or now 3 anyway.
9 MR. MYERS: Okay. The discussion we had 10 yasterday, if we were talking about a dozen or so 11 pieces of squipment, was fairly easy. When wo 12 axtrapolato tnat to tne -- all the activity tna t's
() 13 involved under the plant, wa and up witn an activity 14 wnich essentially we've been underway with all day 15 today, going through eacn one of the current 16 maintenance work orders. Again maintenance work 17 requests are even, you know, aven more voluminous 18 and more in detail and are under review.
19 So coming in with just a list of five 20 things was not appropriata. We eitner would have to 21 go througn the entire activity and justify that or 22 come up with a short list which we attempted to do 23 yesterday and was mot rather unsuccessfully.
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5 MR. MYERS: I tnink we can do tha t. But 6 to tne level of detail, we'll nave to get --
7 MR. ROSSI: You're probably going to need 8 the people here who made the judgment. You know, 9 tua paople that Know about tne avant and lookad at l
10 the equipment and know what the aquipmunt is and can 11 tcil us why it's not related. And admittedly, a lot 12 of tnis stuff may be protty obvious to averyone, but
() 13 it's not going to be obvious to us unless wa Know 14 wnat the -- wnat system the equipment is in and what 15 tho aquipment is.
ld MR. MYERS: Oksy.
17 MR. BURTON: Could 1 add sometning, Tod.
18 When we go down through this list, Ernie, lat ma 19 picx a specific subject. On Page 3, it you'll turn 20 tnere, I nave items on Page 3, the tiest item, tno 21 next to the last two items are painting items.
22 Do you want us to go through eacn one of tnose?
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3 MR. BURTON: The first one is painting in 4 RACA. The other is painting turbine room floors.
S Painting fire doors.
6 MR. BEARD: Wall, it tne fire door you're 7 ta1xing about is the one an the auxiliary -- where 3 the auxiliary teed pumps are, we may very well want 9 that nowever. I mean, I'm not trying to be 10 ridiculous sounding, but I'm trying to illustrate, 11 again, tne point that it deponas on what's involvad 12 and how it relates to the equipment that 13 malfunctioned during this plant transient.
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I think we have 15 to agree trom that level at datail, neitner your 16 option nor our option really sounds appropriate or 17 aise we might as well start, you know, around tne la clock on each individual iten.
19 Mayoe you could nilp us. In your activity 20 at Salem, what levels of -- W13t was -- was there 21 something there done from a starting trom a proposed 22 list or -- right now, wnat you're telling ma is 1
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2 MR. ROSSI: Well, tha t's not quito the way 3 wo left it yesterday. We Kind of lott it up to you 4 to go back and tigure out how to como oscx to us and 5 convince us that certain itams did not naed to be on 6 tne list.
7 MR. MYERS: I understand that.
3 MR. ROSSI: And I would have been 9 pertoctly willing to have a list of equipment or 10 3raas of tne plant or tnat Kind of tning that were 11 sufficiently well d2 tined so enat we could mano 4 12 judgment that tnay were not relat3d to the evant.
() 13 But apparently you chose to go maintenance work 14 order by maintenance work order routs, which I hava 15 no problem with eitnor.
I 16 Tha problem I have is not knowing wnat 17 elactrical covers you're talking about in enougn la datail to mane a judgment as to whethor they were or 19 weren't related to tne avant, because it tnera are 20 912ctrical covers in the SFRCS system comawhere, ,
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22 MR. MYERS: OR2y. Let me proposo ono 23 of the approaches. It wo'd hsvo gono away and 24 come osck with your dascription, painting tiro ,
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pump room tira door I'm sure even our 3 maintenancs people and operations people would not 4 nave connected with tuo poasibility at all of 5 influencing the event.
6 So I thinx -- I just want you to feel that 7 I don't -- I don't think that would nave been -- we 8 could have tripped over ourselves very easily tharo 9 too wnen you're observing work in the room and 10 somebody's doing something with the door, all of a 11 sudden we'd nave been at odds. So --
12 MR. ROSSI: Well, thoro may very well bo
() 13 some of the items on nere wo could discuss. I maan, 14 there was one in here on paint tna turbine room 15 tloor. You know, it somebody'is aura that the 16 turbine room is tar removed from any of the 17 equipmant tnat was involved in this event, we can 13 talk about it. But --
19 MR. MYERS: It's not.
20 MR. HELL: ti o , tna main teod pumps are 21 tnero.
22 MR. ROSSI: What's thero?
23 MR. BELL: Tne maLn taod pumps.
24 MR. W I D E M A ti : What about tha turning gear?
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mignt be I was 2 all wet in this case. I thougnt that in response to 3 the confirmatory action lettor issued by tne NRC, 4 this company had decided that certain pieces of 5 equipment fell within the jurisdiction of that 6 letter, and you put them on troeze or in quarantine.
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> 3 MR. MYERS: To a notica wa did do that.
9 Md. BEARD: Some list of equipment.
i 10 MR. MYERS: That list was discussed with 11 you yesterday.
3 12 MR. BEARD: And yesterday when we
() 13 discussed that list, maybe we telt like that events, 14 malfunctions, a little further into tha transient, 15 if you can call it that, should have also been on 16 the list. So I think there was a suggestion that 17 maybe the list could have been a little bit more 13 comprehensive.
19 I'm totally surprised to come in ners this 20 nour and tind out you stopped all maintenance on the 21 whole plant. I'm flabbergasted. I think that you 22 were going to go back -- I tnougnt you were going to 23 go osck and taxe your basic list of 11 items or g 24 whatever-it was yosterday, maybe adjust that ap a
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6 In other words, we would start with an 7 already pared down list based on your review of wnat 8 you felt met the intent and contirmatory action 9 lettar which is not the entire plant. And then wa 10 would look at those i te ms which maybo 15, 20 items.
11 MR. MYERS: We would have lixed to have 12 done that. However, at tne conclusion of your
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14 MR. ROSSI: No, I understand you. I 15 understand what you did, and I understand the 16 reasons for it, and I understand the difriculty with 17 unis. And I hope you understand tha ditticulty we 13 nave with it. Wayne, did you want to say something?
19 MR. SHAFER: No, I don't think so.
20 MR. ROSSI: One thing that we might want 21 to do at this point in time is go oft the record and 22 caucus in our individual groups and discuss this a 23 little bit. Is that worthwhile amongst the NRC 24 peoplo?
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5 MR. BEARD: I'd liks to asK a question.
6 Maybe Tad, maybe you're the right cne to ask this 7 since you're sort of leading this eftort. Givon the 8 discussion we had yesterday and tne discussion we've 9 Just had, do you tnink tnat Toledo Edison could taKo 10 anotncr look and come up with a reasonably proper 11 list, I'll call it that?
12 MR. MYERS: Tha t's the apprcacn I would
() 13 rather taxa. However, to be quito -- to be quite 14 candid, I perceive that we would, in coming up with 15 tnat list, probably not rule out casas lixe some of 16 tna tnings, electrical covers-or activities that you 17 may feel could have been related, and we would 18 consider tnem minor I&C or electrical activities 19 that wa -- we may, as we're obsarving, you may 20 consider that noncompliant.
21 Our system list would tand to ba not areas.
22 It would tend to be mora equipment and maybe, like 23 you said, a ssocia ted activity in that area directly 73 24 adjacent to that equipment that may nave --
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3 MR. BEARD: I need the input in that 4 decision making procass of more than just your 5 maintenance people. It would seem to me you would 6 need our operations poopic, people who are tamiliar 7 with the event that happened, so they would know 8 what systems, quote, are in question, unquote.
9 MR. MYERS: That's correct.
10 MR. BEARD: And some joint eftort to 11 ~ decide wha t's an appropriata list. But I'm just 12 trying to get a handic on if you took ena t routa,
() 13 you thinx you could como up with a batter list, if I 14 can use that term?
15 MR. M Y F.R S : I agree. We took that route.
16 We came up witn the original list. I'd --
I'd lixo 17 to propose that we take that route again and er.pand 18 that original list rather than --
f 19 MR. ROSSI: I really think we naed to 20 caucus at this point amongst ourselves and then come 21 bacK and meet again in about ten minutes. That's 22 what I tnink we should do.
23 MR. MYERS: I think one point. It is our 24 ' direction and intent'to-comply completely with the b
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6 scratch and worxing forward. It seemad that we were 7 not in agreement with the way the list came out 8 yesterday, which did include our maintenance and 9 operations and event people. So --
10 MR. ROSSI: Wall, you Know, the problam i
, 11 with something like alactrical covers is a number of
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(]) 13 14 then -4. 7 e n if they didn't hava any relation at all to 15 the evant, somabody going down, doing worx on 16 electrical covers, nowever simplo, could, indeed, do 17 somatning that would then change the as-left status 18 of tha aquipment after tne avent. I moan, it could 19 do that. And so wc got to think about that. And 20 tha t's wny we have tne concern.
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'M 2 as-tound status of tna aquipment, what they rind is 3 wnatever somebody did wnila they were in there 4 painting and not the as-found condition after tna 5 avent. And that's tne concern that I have doing it 6 this way.
7 MR. MURRAY: We can see that, sure.
B MR. ROSSI: And I hope you see that. And 3 so I know it's putting the burden back on to you to 10 find a way of justitying that certain items can be
, 11 worked on and don't need controls, and then our i 12 agreeing with enat. And I don't tnink that tnis
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15 MR. MYERS: Nor did our list. I think our 16 list snould not only include equipment but, like you 17 say, area type quarantinus.
18 MR. 8EARD: Proximity that would have to 19 be considered. But I think that tno biggest tnings 20 I'm getting out of tnis maating is that our
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3 MR. ROSSI: Well, I think that in actual 4 fact, tnat wnat wa discussed yesterday, wo knew -- I 5 left the meeting witn the same understanding that 6 they had, that they were going to como ba:x today l
7 with wnat might be a fairly lengthy list, but they 8 wara going to come bacx with the justitication tnat 9 would ba fairly aasy to understand and tairly 10 straigntforward or why that atuff didn't belong on 11 the list and than we could tsirly quickly agree with 12 it. Tnat's wnat I thought we were going to do. Was
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14 MR. LANNING: That was my understanding to 15 too.
16 MR. ROSSI: And we did, indsed, perhaps 17 didn't say that, but thero was every reason to
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19 MR. BEARD: Oxay.
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2 MR. BEARD: We don't Want to tell you how 3 to do your job, Torry.
4 MR. MURRAY: I understand. But I'm trying 5 to tigure out wha t would be mutually the best.
6 MR. BEARD: I t's something betwuen whoro 7 we are tocay and wnere we were yesterday.
8 MR. ROSSI: I tnink we need to caucus. I 9 tnink wa all agree we nood to caucus, so why don't 10 we break into, you know, all the NRC p30ple, we'll 11 go someplace and moot, and you people can stay hare, 12 and tnan we'll reconvanc. Wny don't we go ott tuo I 13 record now.
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15 MR. ROSSI: First of all, we nave 16 caucussed now and discussed tna issue. Lot me ask a 17 question ot tne Toledo Edison people. Do you nave a la list of tne equipment tnat you tninx onould romain 19 trozon?
20 MR. WOOD: Yos.
21 MR. ROSSI: You have that list. OKay.
22 And you have it ready to raad?
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9 MR. SEARD: Scaffolding.
10 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Why don't you start 11 witn your list, and we'll see now it comparos with 12 ours.
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() 13 MR. WOOD: The tirst one is tha main toad 14 pumps including tno main feed pump turbinas.
15 MR. ROSSI: And controls.
16 MR. WOOD: And controls.
17 MR. ROSSI: And controla. Okay. Fina.
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19 MR. WOOD: Oxay. Tha second is tho SPRCS 20 sys te m. Do we want One acronyms described?
21 MR. ROSSI: I think the acronyms nave baan 22 well enougn described. I think we all sgree. Tnat l
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2 MR. BEARD: Both of them?
3 MR. WOOD: Yes.
4 MR. ROSSI: Okay. We agrce with thoso.
5 MR. WOOD: The fourth are the main steam 6 isolation valves.
7 MR. ROSSI: Both valves?
8 MR. WOOD: Correct.
9 MR. ROSSI: And controls and actuation j 10 circuits and pncumatic systems that are used to 11 ope ra te them. Does that cover that?
12 MR. BEARD: I think tha t covers that.
13 MR. ROSSI: Oxay. Fina.
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14 MR. WOOD: Okay. Tne fifth 13 valve SP7A, 15 whicn is on the start-up teed pump wa te r discharge 16 sido.-
17 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Now, when you say valve 13 SP7A, tnat would have to mean the controls that aro 19 used to operate that valva in addition, right?
20 MR. WOOD: That's correct.
21 MR. BEARD: The valve itself and tho 22 controls.
23 MR. ROSSI: The valvo itsolt and the 24 controls?
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3 MR. WOOD: The sixth item was the source 4 range detectors.
5 MR. BEARD: Are you proposing tna sourca 6 range detectors be quarantinad?
7 Md. WOOD: Yes.
8 MR. BELL: ti a v e n ' t you fixed noth or tnose?
9 Didn't you fix one during the event so it could be 10 source range --
11 MR. WOOD: Thera was an operator action, 12 wnien I don't nava the details, but I believe they
([) 13 opened the caDinet and tua detector --
14 MR. BELL: Well, they're not sitting up 15 tnere right now with both source ranges inoperable, 16 are tney?
17 MR. MYERS: No, but tnat wa s..some thin g 13 that had to be a maltunction. And to be under 19 quarantino didn't mean they didn't do anything 20 immediately. It means we have to document it, ao 21 anything wa did do and anything more wa need to do 22 furtner should be under. tne same control. We'll 23 open the door, and it started --
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4 Md. ROSSI: On it. And you will Keep your 5 normal records on what's done with that in terms or 6 finding problems with it?
7 MR. BEARD: Those two items are safety S related, and hence would gat all the tender loving 3 care and records and QA checks associated thorowith?
10 MR. WDOD: Don, can you answer that?
11 MR. LEE: Yes, that is o true statement.
12 MR. BEARD: So la te r it someone wanted to IT 13 Know what was the root cause of the failuro and what V
14 were correctivc sctions, that information is 15 retrievable?
16 MR. LEE: If it were'done under a 17 maintenance work ordor,'yes. The. corrective action 18 takan to date was tne conduct- of a surveillance test.
19 We have the surveillance test documented.
20 MR. MYERS: To make things easy, if there 21 is at all interest, I think we should impose the --
22 whatever controls we're going'to impose on the 23 others.
s 24 MR. ROSSI: Okay. Fine. We'll agree than.
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5 MR. BEARD: Lot-me say while we're on the i
6 source range channal, because this is a very 7 important item to what we're related to. I think 8 it's vary important to reempnasize tnat if the shift 9 supervisor determinas ha needs to place that 10 equipment b a'c k in operation or if he nouds amorgency 11 maintenance, if I can use that term, for the safety 12 of this plant, he should do ao witnout hesitation,
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14 MR. ROSSI: That is true for any of tha 15 equipment tnat we're talking about.
16 MR. MURRAY: We unde rs ta nd tha t. We will 17 reiterate that to our people.
18 MR. BEARD: While we're on the source 19 range, that may b'e the one it would coma up on.
20 MR. MYERS: We understand that.
21 MR. WOOD: Okay. The seventn item on our i 22 list was the turbine bypass valve which tailed. And 23 I don't havo the specific number in front at ma.
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' 2 MR. dEARD: SP13 --
3 MR. LEE: A2.
4 MR. BEARD: A as in able?
5 MR. LEE: Yes, 2.
6 MR. ROSSI: That one W3're talking about 7 tn2 valve itself, and taa failure tnere was a damaga 8 to the valvo. So are we considering tna controls on 9 it?
10 MR. BEARD: Yes. Oh, on the controls?
11 MR. ROSSI: Yes.
12 MR. BEARD: I ,think that it's our
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16 MR. ROSSI: So on that one, we would say 17 the valva, structural part of the valva, tne valva 18 body and valve itself are not controls.
19 MR. MURRAY: For that one it would be 20 valvo only then?
21 MR. ROSSI: Yes.
22 MR. SHAPER: Well, would you not also want 23 to include any other indication of water hammtr if 24 there is in tnat vicinity?
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4 MR. WOOD: I'm unaware of any otnar damage.
5 MR. BELL: Has anybody walKad the main 6 steam system down as an inspoction to see it there 7 was any other damage, hangars -- are all tne hangers 8 there or --
9 MR. WOOD: I have no direct Knowledge of 10 whether tne system worKod.
11 MR. MURRAY: I tninK that I heard tnat a 12 wa1Kdown was done, but I'm not sure or that, ao I
() 13 curtainly don't want to document it yot, but --
14 MR. BEARD: Could we put on an action itom 15 to get back to confirm any other of that activity.
16 I think it's important to know if there was other 17 damage ralated to that similar to the oypass valvo.
la MR. MYERS: And I believe we should maka 19 not just a walkdown, but a particular walkdown.
20 MR. 3EARD: An appropriate walkdown 21 considering the water hammer may have baen involved.
22 MR. ROSSI: 50 that's a different 130ue 23 than tha one of Keeping tha oquipment on freeze.
24 Thst's an agrooment tnat you will --
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look tor -- do a reasonable 3 look for other possible water usmmer damage, which 4 would be the normal thing tnat would be dono it this S event were not baing nandled specially.
6 MR. BEARD: I would like to Know as tna 7 item I had in mind originally was I'd lixo to haar 3 back wnstner it has already bean done already by 9 tnis time or wheth2r you are initiating such an 10 activity. And, of course, obviously the rasults at 11 tna walkdown.
12 it R . ROSSI: Okay. But we're still agraed
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15 agreed tntt you'll do a walkdown to loox for 16 additional water himmor damage that may nave 17 cccurrad in the steam systom. Oxay.
la MR. SHAPER: And may I add then that that
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6 MR. ROSSI: That should include tne 7 controls and actuation circuits too.
S MR. BELL: Excuse ma. May I interjoct 9 something nore. Do you have a dual out point PORY 10 for low temparature ovorprassurization protection?
) 11 MR. LEE: No.
12 MR. BELL: Okay. Bacausa it you do, than you would have tnat awiten thrown and tnat would
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15 na. Wood: oxay. No. 9 ira the msin steam 16 saf2ty valves.
i 17 MR. ROSSI: OKay. '
13 MR. WOOD: No. 10 wore two valvas, AP 599 19 and 608.
I 20 MR. ROSSI: Okay.
21 HR. WOOD: And No. 11 was the SPDS syntam.
22 MR. SHAPER: Back on itam 10, when you '
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2 MR. SHAFER: Okay.
3 Md. BEARD: Is that the and of your list?
4 MR. WOOD: Yan.
5 MR. BEARD: And according to the way you 6 Woro counting tnam up, that was now many?
7 MR. WOOD: That was 11 items.
d MR. RO?JI: Wo navo the list in tna 9 transcript. Wayne, did you taxa down the list? Did 10 you copy it down too?
11 MR. Sil A F E R : Yes.
12 MR. ROSSI: You nave t copy of the lis t?
() 13 MR. S ti A F E R : The list they just prJsonted?
14 MR. ROSSI: Yos.
15 MR. Wil I T E : Yes.
16 MR. ROS3I: I have a cnocx olf list noro, 17 and it's in tha transcript.
la MR. BEARD: You have tne list in the ordor 19 ot th3 numbers and whatnot?
20 MR. Sil A FER : Yes, sir.
21 MR. BEARD: On the SPDS, that was the laut 22 item I b?lieve. I don't thinA we got tnrougn 23 discussing whether that should romain on the thing 24 or not.
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3 MR. BEARD: My personal teeling is it it 4 were handlad with appropriate caro and documen ta tion , i I 5 tnat that could and should be caloased. It is -- I 6 understand it not safety rela ted equipment.
7 Therstoro, it may be in thu catagory becausa of the 4
1 I 8 ovent you want ta document bottur, but I thinn that 4
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14 MR. MYERS: I'd lixo to, it thero's a i 15 con arn over tnat, I'd lika to -- that is a specific j 16 problem, tnat is the computer drivon bound 2rias of i
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j 19 boundarias of that would be vary, very hard to como 20 up with. Tno SPDS display is what we're concarned j 21 about in the control room, that would -- if wu ware 22 going to do it, we would have to bound it there, and l 23 wo're not sure that that would really ba appropriate.
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3 MR. MYERS: Yes, that's why I wantad to --
4 it there was concorn, it someone wanted it on, 5 t r. a t ' s a raal hard ona to bound.
6 MR. ROSSI: Tnat one wo don't believt 7 needs to ba on tna list. So wny don't you do that 8 in accordance with your normal way of handling that 9 equipmant.
10 MR. BEARD: I'd like to ask you a question 11 about an additional item. I t's coma to our 12 attention that during the avent the activition in
() 13 the control room were -- aggravsted mayba too strong 14 a term -- but one of the complicating tactors was 15 that ena control room HVAC was apuriously tripping 16 into its safJty related researcn mode. That was 17 occurring during thu 4.e v e n t . Do you have i work 18 roquast or any activity on that?
19 MR. LEE: Yos.
I 20 MR. ugARD: You do? Is this a problem 21 raliting to 2 apurious actuation of some defined --
22 line 2 rad monitor?
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51 1 rad monitor, not the control room HVAC7 2 MR. LEE: That is true. More specifically 3 it is a cooling water flow switch which caus3s this 4 particular radiation alement to trip and tno rad 5 would affect tha vantilation.
6 MR. BCARD: Cooling water to what?
7 MR. LEE: To tha RI.
8 MR. BOARD: Lo I guess as a rasult ot that 9 briat discussion, I think it sort of went on tha 10 list and immedistaly back 021, 11 I can put it that 11 vay.
12 MR. ROSSI: Thare was another itum that
() 13 did not work properly during the transient, and that 14 was the suction transtar, the auxiliary taudwater 15 suction to tns service water system.
16 MR. BEARD: Yes, that's right, we didn't 17 put tnat one in.
18 MR. ROSSI: Do we want that one on the 19 list?
20 MR. USARD: Is tnis a chronic problem?
21 I mean it's happoned moro thin onco?
22 MR. LANNING: Yes, it is. I thinx tha t 23 ougnt to bu on the list.
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6 MR. BEARD: Is tha t transter based on ,
7 sensing the tra ns t e r ot --
8 MR. MYERS: Suction sido, yes.
3 MR. USARD: So I'd liAa to include 10 instruments.
11 MR. ROSSI: Yes, instrumanta and controls. ,
12 MR. DEARD: Tho things that would tell you
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14 MR. MURRAY: Instruments, controls and i
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i 16 MR. MYERS: Any additional?
17 MR. BEARD: Let me double-cnock mine.
ld You'vu got the SPRCS. You've got that one. I think 19 that covars tho important items.
4 20 MR. ROSSI: And, Wayne, you took a list 21 indapandant of what's in the transcript. You h a *> e a 22 list indopondent ot wha t's in the tranacript?
23 MR. S il A F S R I Y t4 3 .
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2 MR. SHAFER: Yes.
3 MR. ROSSI: We'll got that typad.
4 Mit . BEARD: Does Toludo Edison - .I'd lika 5 somahow to gat a piece of typod paper that_says'this 6 is the list ot equipment presently unoer quarantine 7 or whatovar. So if there's a good tirm 6 understanding, it's not notes and papers scratened 9 around.
10 MR. ROSSI: Well, we have it in the 11 transcript, so tne only problem is that ena t's a day 12 or two off.
13 MR. LANNING: Let ma dare to stop forward.
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14 I think it's important tnat we get on with worxing a
15 witn this-aquipment that needs attontion to 16 determine wny they benava una way they did. And I 17 think it's prudent tnat we gat on with that activity.
13 So I'd like to suggest that wa not just quarantina 19 thin list, then leave it.
1 20 Wo should go torth with a schedule of your 21 preferred pocking list, if you will, of wnich 22 squipment you want to try to test, modity, tix tirst, 23 such tnit we can arrange to have some obr.o rva tion ot I
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3 MR. ROSSI: And also, you Know, your 4 procedures of how you're going to mano sure that you 5 know wnat the ar-found condition is and keep careful 6 track of what is dono, we're anxious to got on with 7 thst because wa recognize it's got to be done in a 8 careful controlled manner and it's got to stay 9 frozen until you're prapared to convince us that the 10 way you're going to nandle it is proper.
11 But it's also important that we move to do 12 that becausa we sren't going to know the root causas
() 13 of the equipment failures until rhat worx is done.
14 And wnat we're planning to do is to lis ta n to your 15 proposal on how you're going to deal with frozen 16 equipment in such a way that we have a systematic 17 record of what you find wrong with it and what you 18 have to do to rapair it and what the root causca of 19 the malfunctions aro. And then we also plan to 20 discuss with some, if not all, of tnis stuff of 21 having NRC Region 3 people there whan you do the 22 work.
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4 MR. BEARD: I think you want to consider a 5 priority, because I thinn that the utility tolas are 6 very interested in understanding root causas as we 7 arc. I would think tha t the raasons why the MSIVs 8 closa, which was a reactor in this transient, aro 9 of primary importance. I would think that the 10 overspeod trips that occurred ara primary importanco, 11 and I thinK the FORV are primary importance.
12 But I don't mean to be dictating a list.
() 13 I'm saying that of tnis list et equipment, some seem 14 to be more important than others in a time sanso to 15 understand the root cause or this avent, and I would f
16 expect do suo some prioritiza tion here.
17 MR. MURRAY: John, can you talk a littic 13 bit about what's going on with the action plan? Wo 19 are presantly working on the plans tot doing tne 20 troubleshooting of theco items.
21 MR. BEARD: So they're not in a stagnant 22 position?
23 MR. WOOD: That's correct. What-wo have gm 24 done today was tskan the information that we had i
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1 discussad yantorday or last evening and sat down 2 with tno action plan leaders et asch one at those 3 items, tried to relato to them very caratully the 4 typos of things that you needed to be saaurad ot 5 in the process of tnoir zi c t i o n s with psrticular 6 attention to the documentstion trail and tho 7 traceability, also mantioning tno desire to msintain 8 control tor equipment tnat we may teal cvontually 9 has to be asnt off-situ. So they nava that in-sito 10 now t n:s t has been tranatorrod to them that tniy ars j 11 preparing action plano that they recognizo hss to be 12 concurred in ny tno team botoro wo silow any
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14 so they are going througn a process right 15 now. Also thay have the espsbility of snslyzing P
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2 MR. BELL: You asxed the question.
3 MR. ROSSI: I thing J.T. gave the proper 4 answer. I think sna answar is until you come back 5 with some sort or details on why they ought to ba 6 Sot covared, that they should be where that's 7 spplicablo.
8 I mean, we now hava a smaller list than !
') the 138 items that you came into the room with, 10 so we hope that va h2vo solved 3 largo part of 11 ycur immediate problem, and where 2ddition-al 12 claratication needs to ba given, I think you need to come to us with s reasonably detailed proposal on
(]) 13 14 what you thinK is the propar thing to do. And we 15 can look at it and d2cida.
16 MR. BEARD: And let as add to th2t in the 17 way of oxplanation ci wny I gave you the answer I .
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2 I've done several of them.
3 And the cable itself may be easy to 4 release, but the junction boxes may be dittarent, 5 you know. Ana it's because of the natura or tno 6 thing we're dealing with here tha t you can't give un 7 tne kind of releasu that you would prator to giva.
S MR. SILBERG: Tha only reason I ask tha 9 question and this is from a nontechnical point 10 because I am totally nontecnnical, is that it saems 11 you're going to hsvo cablos in most of the areas at 12 the plant, which may mean tnat unless we got
() 13 spacific clarification, we roally can' t release any 14 aross of the plant to do any worn in occause you got 15 cables in proximity to ovarything. I don't know it 16 tha t's true or not from --
17 MR. ROSSI: Le t's tace that problam when 18 they como bacK and tall us th1t's a problem, because 19 I, you know -- le t's faco that problem it they come 20 back and tuil us it's a problom.
21 MR. BEARD: My special assessmont, that's 22 not going to be a signiticant problem, but 11 it is, 23 we'll face it.
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4 MR. BELL: At least your maintenanca forco 5 shouldn't be idla now, correct?
6 MR. MURRAY: Tna t's correct.
7 MR. WOOD: Can wa talk about one rela te d 8 topic nere tnat has to do with surveillanco tusting.
9 The toch spacs roquire us to do surveillance testing, 10 and we have made it clear to our operators that 11 we'ra not under any way allowing violation of tne 12 toen spacs througn what we're doing.
13 So there's somo day-to-day surveillance
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14 testing that nas to continua. Now, with tnis list, 15 we would also imply that surveillance tasting on any 16 equLpment outside ot this would be permissibla and 17 that surveillanca testing on thuso items, if 18 surficient time is --
19 MR. ROSSI: What you havs to do to meet 20 tne teen specs in my opinion talls within w ha t wo 21 mentioned baforo, that the things that you have to 22 do to maintain the plant in a sato condition have to 23 bo done. And if it's required by the tech sp2cs, my 24 view is that you do it. Wha t's your view, J.T.?
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.5 over the list of items that we've got noro, it 6 raises the question. I think it's an excallant 7 question.
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10 st13m tsed rupturs' control system, it may be that 11 tor the made ot oparition tne plant's in, enat it 12 would be batter to defer any surveillanco because it 13 may be tnat system is not raquired to be opurablo in
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16 MR. ROSSI! Yes. But I thinx bottom lind 17 is it it's requirod by tne toch spoca, tnay continue 13 to do it.
19 MR. BEARD: No, tnat's not what I'm saying.
20 MR. IlUaRAY: Tnuro's s ditteranco. J.T.
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4 MR. MYERS: I was just going to mention i 5 tnat. Possibly why don't we do that r2 View, and 6 come witn you tomorrow morning tirst tning and say 7 ovarytning in trau, thora's no surveillance taats in 1 3 this mode Ior any ot the activity, or tnote are the 9 tallowing tive and they'ru applying ior --
10 MR. LANNING: You Know what surveillancos 11 you've got to do.
12 Ma. MURRAY: WJ cortainly do. (
() 13 MR. DEARD: All we've got to do is go up 14 and push the computer, and it will tell us.
15 MR. BELL: How sbout tonight, is tnore 16 anything we nued to clear up batore wo go home at 6:02 7 '
17 MR. MYERS: My ordars are to do them if la they are requirod. Ao a courtesy to notity Ernie, 1 i 19 sas concerned tbout this. Okay. Right now . I 'Jn not i
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5 MR. 640 0 D : That careful recording is a 3
6 part of our system which is in place now. Tncro's 7 no extraordinary attort that we have identified to 8 capture tnat data.
l 9 MR. BEARD: I think that ovarybody 10 realizes tnat tnere's got to be an exarciso of j 11 3xperianced engineering judgment in this tning j 12 because we can gut to the point of wo -- all or us
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15 una that judgment as you see it so wa don't spend 16 nours upon nours discusaing cne details.
17 MR. ROSSI: And wa did that, but that, you i
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20 MR. BEARD: OKay.
21 MR. ROSSI: It's to your advantage,
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71 1 CERTIFICAfE O 2 I, Anne I. Mcarayir, 1 Notary Paolic in 3 and for the State of Ohio, do hereby cartity tnat I 4 took the proceadings betare tnb Nuclear Ragulatory 5 Commission Fact Finding Team and tnat the toregoing
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3 I do turther certity nat I was called 9 there in the capacity of a Court R e p o t- t a r , and am 10 not otnerwise interested in this proc 0cb2ng.
11 IN WITNESS W il E R E O F , I have harau'nco sat my 12 nand and atfixed my s 221 of ottice at Columbus, Onio, O- 13 ca caie '@ a>v or 91(>>Ytl - 1985-I G .
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17 13 My Commission expires FcDruary 3, 1938.
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