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NUCLEAR REGUIATORY COMMISSION PUBLIC MEETING BRIEF ON CONTAINMENT PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (OTHER TMAN MARK I)

Nuclear Regulatory Commission 1 White Flint North Rockville, Maryland Thursday, April 26, 1990 h

L The Commission met in open sessions, pursuant to notice, at 2:00 p.m.,

Kenneth M. Carr, Chairman, l-presiding, i

COMMISSIONERS PRESENT:

KENNETH M. CARR KENNETH C.

ROGERS JAMES R. CURTISS FORREST J. REMICK i

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3 CHAIRMAN CARRt Good afternoon, ladies and 4

gentlemen.

Commissioner Roberts will not be with us this 9

5 afternoon. This afternoon the Commission will be briefed 6

by the NRC Office of Research and Closure of the 7

Containment Performance Improvement Program.

8 The Containment Performance Improvement Program 9

is one element of the sevefe accident and master 10 integration plan.

Other elements include the individual 11 plant examination effort, improved plant operations, the 12 severe accident research program, examination of external 33 events and an accident management program.

14 This is an information briefing and no 15 Commission vote will be taken at this meeting.

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16 the Commission is expected to vote following this 17 meeting, and staff's recommendation for closure of the 18 Containment Performance Improvement Program which 19 includes issuance of a

generic letter to reactor 20 licensees identifying potential vulnerabilities to s

21 containment and improvements to be evaluated on a plant-22 specific basis as part of the individual plant 23 examination effort.

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Research; to my right, Themis Speis, the deputy director, 7

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Tom Murley, director of NRR.

9 Mr. Beckjord has some' opening remarks.

i 10 MR. BECKJORD: Mr. Chairman, the purpose of the 11 meeting today is to present the recommendations of the 12 Containment Performance Improvement study for the plants 13 with Mark II, Mark III, ice condenser and large dry 14 containments.

The staff previously presented 15 recommendations for the Mark I containments in the paper 16 SECY-09-017.

17 The staff is proceeding to implement the i

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19 Supplement 1 of the generic letter 88-20 dated -- the 20 supplement was dated August 29, 1989.

In this present 21 study for the other containment types the staff has made 22 use of the latest results from Nureg 1150, from other 23

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We recommend that the information 6'

developed on insights and improvements be forwarded to 7

all licensees as a supplement to the individual plant i

8 examination letter for their use.

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We will present all ' of this information in 10 published reports and we expect to have them available t

11 for issue at the same time as the supplement to the 12 generic letter.

And I think with that I would ask 13 Dr. Speis to give you the presentation on those findings.

14 DR. SPEIS Mr. Chairman, commissioners.

May 15 I have the second viewgraph, please? After we already -

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- Mr. Chairman, as Mr. Beckjord talked about the purpose 17 of briefing, the only thing I would like to add ir that 18 our studies have been reviewed by CRGR as well as the 19 ACRS.

We have a letter from.the ACRS which is attached 20 to the Commission paper and basically the ACRS agrees 21 with the staff that we should provide these insights to i

22 the licensees for their folding into the IP process.

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problem.

I think it's a good' recommendation.

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10 outline of the briefing we'll talk to you about, the 11 approach and the basis for our evaluations. We then will 12 describe the staff conclusions on each containment type 13 separately.

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15 recommendations on the individual plant examinations 16 which are presently being pursued or in the planning 17

process, and then we'll again summarize the staff 18 recommendations.

19 The next viewgraph, please.

Some of these 20 things have been said already.

For background to the 21 paper, the Mark I paper which Mr. Beckjord mentioned 22 already, I have listed here the recommendations that were L

23 included at that time.

The reason that we have listed 24 them here is that we are also recommending that the 25 licensees with the Mark II's, Mark III's, ice condensers 1

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The next page, please.

7 Again, the next page is -- we all know the 8

history where the Commission told us to fold them into 9

the IP process, except the hardened vent issue and our 10 latest count as I think we've told you last time was that 11 19 of the 24 licensees would be implementing the hardened 12 vent voluntarily.

13 I'am to have performed regulatory analysis on 14 the other five.

The.other five, four of those plants are 15 the Mark I's with isolation condensers.

Oyster Creek, 16 Dresden 2/3, Millstone and the fifth plant is 17 Fitzpatrick, which they have some questions about our 18 backfit methodology _and also they thought that even this 19 issue should be part of the IP process.But we have to 20 include it, the regulatory analysis, and it is about to 21 be the utilities.

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Did I hear you say that 24 this would be coming out soon?

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week to send letters out to the five plants saying that 5

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So we'ra prepared to do that.

7 COMMISSIONER REMICK:

For all five?

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All five.

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11 DR. BECKNER:

Okay, if we can go to slide five, 12 please, I'd like to discuss briefly how our approach for 13 the other containment types differed from what we did 14 under the Mark I's and how it was similar.

15 First of all, we only really did a first cut 16 or a screening type look at cost benefit basically to see 17 if there wao anything we might want to carry forward.

1 18 In general though, most of the effort _ primarily was 19 directed toward simply looking at

insights, 20 vulnerebilities and potential improvements that might be 21 of usefulness to the utilities in the course of their 22 IPE.

23 The reason for this revised approach was 24 basically twofold.

First of all when we went through 25 with our first-cut-type regulatory analysis we didn't see I

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had the recommendations of the ACRS for the Mark I 5

improvements, where they strongly recommended that this 6

effort be considered in the IPE.

And of course this is.

7 consistent with the Commission direction as far as the 1

8 Mark I effort, too.

And so we primarily directed this, 9

as I said before, towards lookirig at insights that might 10 be useful as the licensees go through their IPEs.

11 Going to slide six, this is really the basis 12 for the recommendations, or what we specifically did.

13 Again, this level of detail, it is similar to the type 14 of thing th6t we did with the Mark I's.

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_took a look at existing PRAs.

This was primarily 1150 16 PRAs, but we did look at other PRAs that were available, 17

' particular for Mark II's since there was not a 1150 plant 18 for a Mark II.

19 We also took the 1150 containment event trees, 20 the information which was generated under that program, 21 and made use of them to evaluate different types of

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to see if there was anything that we'd want to pursue 9

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10 COMMISSIONER ROGERS:

Just before you leave 11 that, what do those supplementary calculations deal with?

12 What issues were they?

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Basically doing calculations of 14 containments, temperature and pressure during the courses 15 of accidents.

Primarily looking and also looking at the 16 effect of various improvements, for instance, back-up 17 power to fans for ice condensers, this type of thing, 16 l'ooking at venting, how that affects containment pressure 19 and so forth.

20 COMMISSIONER ROGERS:

Were there any issues 21 there that were very difficult to deal with from an 22 analytical basis?

23 DR. BECKNER:

Yes there were.

There was one 24 in particular that I'm going to deal with later on and 25 I'll show you in the Mark II presentation.

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10 In addition, we did generate a lot of useful 11 technical information.

We have about 10 contractor 12 reports that are coming out.,

We think that this 13 information will potentially be useful to licensees as

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15 One thing that we had indicated is that you do 16

-- to the licensees to the IPE is that we didn't want

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And this will increase the database out there 19 that's available.

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specifics now about some of the specific items that we'd i

7 like licensees to look at as part of their IPEs.

8 The first containment type I'll talk about is 9

the Mark II's.

What we are recommending is that 3

10 basically Mark II's consider the same improvements that i

I 11 we recommended for the Mark I's.

They are generally i

12 applicable for basically the same reasons.

There is one 13 specific differences we are not recommending for the i

14 Mark II's specifically a hardened vent; rather, we'd like 15 them to take a look at it in the course of their IPEs.

16 And there's a number of reasons for this.

17 First of all, the. existing hardware that's out there for 18 the Mark II'z is highly variable and varies from plant 19 to plant and I'll show you an example of that in a 20 moment.

And in addition, some of the licensees have 21 alerted us to the fact that there are also alternate ways 22 that could be used to potentially cool the suppression 23 pool as a potential alternative venting, and they'd like 24 the option to evaluate them.

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5 We found as far as a hardened vent some Mark II's already 6

had that capability and some did not.

It was highly 7

variable.'

8 As far as the benefit of venting for a Mark II, 9

the primary benefit again is

  • in a preventive mode, 10 preventing the TW sequence, although the likelihood of 11 a TW sequence may be less in a Mark II reactor based on 12 the PRAs we saw.

However, I want --

13 COMMISSIONER REMICK:

Excuse me, question.

I 14 You've made the statement that some Mark II's had the 15 capability --

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Yes.

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-- of a hardened vent.

18 By capabilities do you mean they have it installed or 19 it's ea7: to install?

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Some utilities -- at least one 21 utility possibly has a hardened path that could be used 1

22 by changing procedures.

There's other questions from i

23 another utility as far as it's not a hardened vent but 24 they feel it would not fail.

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We have not looked at various 9

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10 For the other case of venting following a core 11 melt to prevent containment failure this is a more 12 complex issue.

It's complex both because of 13 phenomenology and also because there are variations-in 14 the containment designs.

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19 variations there.

The one design has water directly 20 beneath the pedestal and one does not.

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has downcomers directly below the vessel, chorium could 7

potentially flow down the downcomers into the water.

8 Likewise, on your far right the Limerick-Susquehannah 9

design has X-pedestal downcomers, but chorium could flow 10 along the floor and go down the downcomers into the 11 suppression pool.

12 Now, this introduces two areas of uncertainty.

13 First of all there's a phenomenological uncertainty as 14 to exactly how much steam is produced when a given amount

'15 of chork goes down the downcomers and that impacts the 16 pressurizate of the containment.

The other area of 17L uncertainty is what the chorium going down the downcomers 18 would do to the downcomers themselves.

They may well 19 fail.

20 If the downcomers f ail, of course then you have 21 a suppression pool bypass and if you had a vent it would 22 be unscrubbed.

All these issues impact the venting 23 following a core melt, both because they impact how much 24 the containment is pressurized and also they impact

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and also there's'large differences between designs and 9

that's why we did not dake specific generic 10 recommendations.

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12 not directed specifically at what we're discussing today, but with the EDO and Research and NRR represented here, 13 14 when I look at our design certification process is it 15 going to permit such variations in the future of a class 16 of reactor where we have a Mark II with all different 17 kind of designs?

18 I just throw it out.

You need not address it

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I couldn't resist raising it.

20 COMMISSIONER CARR We'll deal with some of 21 that tomorrow.

Hes rephrased the essentially complete 22 design question.

23 DR. BECKNER:

If there's no further questions 24 on the Mark II's, I'd like --

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Point of clarification, Bill.

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That would still be a concern on my part, for 9

example.

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12 I'll discuss the Mark III's.

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19 There is an additional issue, however, for the 20 Mark III's we'd like the licensees to look at.

The only 21 available PRA that we have for a Mark III is the 1150 22 Grand Gulf effort.

That effort found that the dominant 23 challenge to the containment of the Mark III was 24 basically from station blackout and basically from a 25 threat due to hydrogen detonation.

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that sequence even though it was' dominant.

But we'd like 10 to have the Mark III utilities basically take a look at 11 the benefit and feasibility of back-up power to the 12 hydrogen igniters as part of their IPE.

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They are not functional during a station 16 blackout and would like the ice condensers to take a look 17 at the banefit of backup power to the igniters.

18 As far a-the large dry containments, we are 19 much less concerned about these containment types, 20 basically that the 1150 study looked at two large dry ice 21 containments and they did not find hydrogen to be a 22 significant challenge to the containments.

However, we 23 do have a generic issue 121, which is a mortgage that we 24 owe coming -- rather TMI and looking at hydrogen for the 25 other containment types.

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of their IPE basically take a look at the hydrogen issue 9

for the containment.

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relatively straightforward 13 screening type of approach that was used in 1150 just to 14 indicate potential ar.eas where detonation could occur and 15-to see if there's any important equipment in that area, 16

Again, as I indicated before, there is a 17 generic issue.

It would be our intent to go ahead and i

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cost-effective and worthwhile doing for their plant.

8 This of course is consistent with other aspects of the 9

IPE.

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10 is that we will-also have.given the utilities come help 11 on making this decision in that we've recommended some 12 things that we think they should look at and we've also 13 increased the database -- the technical database.that 14 they can make use of.

15 The other point I want to make is, again the 16 IPEs are in process, in the process right now, and we t

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' licensees..

Going to the last slide, the specific 19-recommendation is to issue a generic letter.

This would 20 be, I guess, Supplement 3 to the IPE generic letter.

21 It would indicate three things.

First of all, 22 it would indicate a completion of the CPI program that 23 there would be no further requirements.

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contractor reports that may be of usefulness to them.

6 And I'd like to briefly indicate that we are attempting 7

to get these reports out as quickly as we can so they'll 8'

come out in about the same time frame.

The first report 9

is probably in the gate right how, it's in publishing.

10 The bulk of the reports we hope we can get out 11 by June.

We've got one problem report that is running 12 late, but we're going to try to speed that up the best i

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So the intent would be to have most of this 14 information out about the same time as this generic 15 letter would be issued.

16 That concludes my presentation.

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~19 COMMISSIONER REMICK:

Several ' questions, one 20 related to the last slide.

It's a two-pronged question.

1 21 One, is the staff aware of other issues that might be 22-incorporated into the IPE process?

Do we have anything 23 out in the wings that we know of?

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We're proposing.

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Okay, then the broader 11 question:

Do we know of anything else in the wings that 12 we --

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No.

currently are 14 COMMISSIONER REMICK:

15 anticipating putting in the IPEs?

So this should be --

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With the exception of external 17 vents, which is coming within a conth or so.

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Going back to Dr. - Murley's 21 indication that a letter will just go out to five 22 licensees asking them why we should not issue an order

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hearings was mentioned.

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Okay, fine.

And just in 9

. summary I -certainly favor maki'ng the ataff's insights 1

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I appreciate the job you've done and I endorse j

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Commissioner Rogers?

l 16 COMMISSIONER ROGERS:

No question,. just a 17.

comment that it seems to me-that this whole program has 18-a certain degree of crispness and completeness to it that f

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to the time that we asked.

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9 MR. THADANI:

Most of'the licensees that have 1

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volunteered to implement.the hardened vent, the general 11-schedule is to get it done by early 1993.

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.approximately a three-year. period.

As Dr. Murley said,

.13 once we:get.our backfit packages out, we're going to try 14 to stick to-similar schedules for these.five units as

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16 COMMISSIONER' CURTISS: So the five that ' have t

17 resisted if, absent a request for a hearing and a delay

-18 for that reason, they'd be-expected to meet pretty much 19:

the same schedule then?

20 MR.<THADANI:

That's our expectation.

i 21 COMMISSIONER CURTISS: Okey, that's all I have.

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program, would that -affect the schedule 24 significantly on the IPE program?

25 DR. BECKNER:

It should.not.

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This is_an ongoing process.

Every 13 plant will have-a management program and if a method-is-

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continuing accident nanagement program that every

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So I guess we really haven't J

20' put the containment problems to bed yet, you're saying?

21 DR. SPEIS:

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23 and everything else is going to be plant-specific?

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Okay.

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. join the other Commissioners in thanking you for this 17 briefing and commend you'on the_ progress-that has=been J

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