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NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3
4 DISCUSSION OF POLICY AND PLApNING GUIDANCE 5
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11 Tuesday, December 8, 1981 12 13 The Commission convened, pursuant to no tice, at 14 2 10 p.m.
15 BEFORE:
16 NUNZIO PALLADINO, Chairman of the Commission 17 VICTOR GILINSKY, Commissioner PETER BRADFORD, Commissioner 18 JOHN AHEARNE, Commissioner THOMAS B0BERTS, Commissioner 19 20 ALSO PRESENTS 21 S. CHILK L. BICKWIT 22 F. REMICK J. MURRAY 23 K. CORNELL W.
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CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
The meeting will please come 3 to order.
4 Today's meeting is to discuss the third draft of 5 the NBC's proposed policy and plannine guidance document.
6 I apologize for the late delivery of the document, 7 but you will renesber that OPE called to our attention the 8 possibility that this version might not be available with 9 such lead time.
10 Today I would like to see if we can reach 11 agreement that the document before us adequately covers the 12 major Commission policies and planning guidance.
If we can 13 agree that the document is generally on ta rge t, then we can 14 establish a process to work out wording changes that remain 15 to be resolved.
16 What I would propose is to have OPE working with 17 EDO and the Commissioners' staffs and the Commissioners 18 themselves deal with the proposed work changes a t the 19 workino level.
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21 will not be necessary, in the event that there are Z2 unresolved issues that arise from OPE working with the staff Z3and the Commissioners we can address them a t the next 24 meeting scheduled for December 16th.
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.s 1would proposed to get approval of the document by notation 2 vote.
3 For today's meeting I propose that OPE valk us 4 through the document identifying the major features at this 5 point in time, identif ying the major changes that have been 6 made and then open it up for Commission discussion.
7 Any other comments anyone would like to make 8 before we start?
9 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
I just want to know where 10 the cameras are?
11 (Lauchter.)
12 CHAIRNAN PALLADINO:
Well, we commented on that 13 earlier.
Haybe earlier they misunderstood PPG to be PGEE.
14 (Laughter.)
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16 said they are going to walk us through and we are goinq to 17 comment later?
Are we going to go at it page by page?
18 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
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23 I wa s going to propose that if we feel it is on 24 target that we have each Commissioner submit the word 25 changes and let CPE vorking with you and your staff get a l
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4 would say well then we. hammer out of the issues on which we 5 have continuing questions.
6 CONMISSIONER AHEARNE:
At least for me, Joe, what 7 I would like to do sometime this af ternoon is ask about 8 three or four items which I had asked about on the two 9 previous versions.
I don't think the interchange is getting 10 anywhere and thera may just be some fundamental policy 11 changes involved.
12 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN04 Now those kind of issues I 13 would hope we would address this afternoon.
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16 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Well, he is going to bring 17 them up in a minute.
18 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Give me a word or two of 19 warning.
20 (Laughter.)
I 21 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Whether the generic issues Z2 a pproach ought to be changed and whether we should assume we Z3 are going to get any construction permits.
I 24 CONMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Applications you mean.
25 CHAIRMAN PALLADI'70s New applications.
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1 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE4 Yes.
2 HR. REMICK:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
3 This is the third version and I assume everybody 4 has the December 7th version in front of them..
Although it 51s dated December 7 th, there were changes still going into 6 effect this morning.
7 (laughter.)
8 I apologize also that you did not have much 9 advance time to read it, but we did just about as well as we tocould.
11 The major changes I think from the previous 12 versions are in the addition of a section called "Safo 13 0peration of Licensed Plants" which was a t the request of 14 the Chairman and as a result taking other components that 15 existed in the earlier draf ts and putting some of those 16under the " Safe Operatin of Licensed Plants."
17 Then there was another section that had previously 18 been called "Other Important Steps."
That has been retitled 19 "Im proving Related Regulatory Tools" in response to a 20 request from the Chairman.
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" International Activities" which was in the second
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22 draf t has been put under a category called "Other Policies" 23 because it did not seem to fit in the others.
24 Another change is the CRBR issue.
We had gotten 25 some conflicting indications from the Commissioners on that l
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1and that is currently addressed under "Near-Tera Licensing 2 Problems and Responses that had previously been under the 3 section called "Other Important Steps."
4 So that is a very brief summary of changes without 5 saying that this vent from page so and so to ---
6 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
The last one the has moved 7 from the front to the back and then back to the front again.
3 NR. HEMICK:
That is right, yes.
9 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
For the most part, as best 10 as I can tell, other than what you just mentioned, there are 11 very few other changes.
The locations are shifted around to 12 try to get a more readab!9 document.
13 HR. REMICK:
Not major changes.
Ce rtainly the 14 pressurired thermal shock is a new item that is in here at 15 the request of the Chairman, but they are mostly wordin g 16 changes in our attempt to respond to comments we received 17 from either Commissioners or f rom EDO.
18 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Are you ready for comments 19 and questions?
20 MR. REMICK:
Yes.
21 CHAIRMAN TALLADINO:
Do you want o start, John?
22 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
That was the overview?
23 (Laughtar.)
24 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
I said brief -- (Simultaneous 25 Conversation s - Ina udible).
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2 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
On page 7, at the bottom of 3 the Planning Guidance, in talking about the staff reviews 4 and public hearing schedule, I had rasied a question in one 5 of my consents on whether the staff planning should be based 6 on independent NRC estimates of construction completion 7 dates.
8 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Yes.
9 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE4 If there was a filter 10 somewhere this did not seem to pass through.
11 (Laughter.)
12 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
I think I was the filter.
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14 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Although I realize it is a 15 contentious subject, I think that we have now h'ad ano,ther -
16 cycle of eight or nine months in'.which once again, as in i
17 e ve ry time that I can tell in going over the back history of 18 of AEC and NRC, every time the issue comes up the staff's 19 estimates turn out to be much better than the licensee 20 estimates.
21 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
My feeling on the subject is ZZthat I didn't vant to get into the bind of whether we do it 23 on the basis of what the owners say is going to be the 24 com pletion date or on the basis of what we say because I 25 think f or some reports we have been directed to base it on ALDERSON REPORTING COMPANY,INC,
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In the long planning, 2 though, I think we have to use the best information we have 3 at hand.
4 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Let me turn it and ask a 5 question.
6 Bill, on what basis is the staff making their 7 estimates?
8 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Estimates for what, John?
9 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
When they are scheduling 10 their staff -- (Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
11 MR. DIRCKS:
For the SER's we are still basing it 12 on the applicant 's dates.
Tha t is f or the SER 's.
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Joe, you said for some f
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I had thought that and 19 then tried to verify it and couldn't find any verification.
20 I a m a wa y a t the end of investigating wi th the conclusion
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22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I think Joe Hendrie made 23 t h at change.
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9 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
It was just an effort to 10 avoid getting into a lot of arguments and a void criticism.
s' 11 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
That is what I gathered, but 12 I thought it came out of the hearing in which that was an 13 important point int hearing.
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2 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY.
Well, but even if they 3 did, in that report we would indicate that many months of 4 delay.
5 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
The issue I am trying to 6 raise is that as we try to put NRR staff on licensing 7 reviews and budget their time and efforts I think it is 81mportant to try to use the best planning that we have 9 available.
Experience shows us the best planning are the 10 NRC estimates and they can be quite substantially different.
11 MR. DIRCKSa We use generally the applicant's 12 dates and plan back from there.
Where we see a contentious 13 hea ring or where we see a hearing that may not be that 14 contentious we make adjustments back off the applicant's 15 dates.
We just take it as a general starting line and then 16 adjust it up and down from that starting line.
17 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I understand.
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20 COMMISSIONER GILINSXY:
At a minimum, it seems to 21 m e, we want to be sure tha t we do have independent NRC 22 estimates of construction completion dates because of a 23 period of I think nine months we were not developing it.
24 MR. REMICK:
We have that now.
25 MR. DIRCKS:
But we have that now.
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1 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Suppose we put in there that 2 we use the best available information which may be 31nterpreted by the staff to be something different from 4 wha t 5
COMMISSIONER AHEARNEa I would prefer somehow to 6make it clear that the staff will make their own estimates.
7 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYa Suppose we simply say that 8 the staff will make its own independent estimates.
9 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN0s All right.
10 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
That would satisfy me.
11 HR. REMICK:
What you had proposed before, 12 Commissioner Ahearne, was staff planning should be based on 13 ind epend ent NRC estimates of construction completion dates.
14 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs Well, the first step 15 toward that is to ---(Simultaneous Conversations -
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17 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Right.
I will be willing 18 to accept that the NRC will make their own estimates.
19 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Is that generally agreeable?
20 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD:
Yes.
21 (Commissioners Ahearne, Roberts, Gilinsky nodding 22 a ffirmatively. )
23 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
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2 This has to do with Iten No. 2 in which it is 3 addressing all generic issues.
There are two sentences I 4 would like to raise a question on.
5 One is the second sentence which says:
" Issues 61ncluded in the present pogram which are no t directly 7 : elated to the NEC regulatory requirements will b6 8 elimina ted. "
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"The revised progran vill establish criteria 11 f or adding new issues."
12 57 questions are, first, is there a belief that 13 there are issues now in the program which are not directly 14 related to the regulatory requirements?
15 Then the second question was what was wrong with 16 the current criteria for adding new issues?
17 ER. REZICK:
Ey understanding of the first 18 question was that there are itens that perhaps should not be 19 generic issues.
Now whether they are unrelated to current 20 regulatory require =ents, th a t I as not sure.
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3 MR. DIRCKSs I would have to check, but there may 4 be things in there, generic issues, as we go back, like the 5socio-economic impact problem that could be called related 6 to the NEPA side of that.
7 COHNISSIONFR AHEARNE:
There is a generic issue on 8 the -- (Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
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I said, if my memory is right, there 10 are issues related to those NEP A issues such as 11 socio-economic ---
12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
There may be issues related 13 to NEP A issues.
For myself personally I would agree that s
14 those don't rise to the level of importance of safety.
But 15 they do relate to our regulatory requirements because NEPA 161s under our regulatory requirements.
17 HR. DIRCKS4 I did not pick those words, related 18 to regulatory requirements.
All I am doing is trying to 19 help cla rif y it.
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4 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
I took it that that is what 5 they were trying to say here.
6 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
If the point is that the 7 Commission will revisit the list of generic items and review 8 whether they should be dropped, something like that, I agree 9 with that.
But the way it was phrased ---
10 MR. REMICK:
To the best of my knowledge, tha t is 11 the intent of the statement and it is consistent with when 12 rou last routed that to the staff.
You indicated you wanted 13 to -look at those.
14 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
15 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Well, can we try to reword 16 that ?
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Sure.
I 18 CHAIRMAN PALLADINos That is a good point.
19 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Similarly in the 20 established criteria for adding new issues I think what you 21 are saying is there ought to be perhaps a revision of 22 criteria or re-examination of the criteria.
Rut there are Z3 criteria.
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6 CHAIRMAN P ALLADINO:
Can we revise that sentence 7 to indicate review the criteria because as part of the 8 generic review committee we did want to use new tools to 91ook at some of these requirements and it really ends up as to being a modification of the criteria.
It ER. HEMICK:
So what is your suggestion, Mr.
12 Chairman ?
I missed tha t.
13 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
The criteria for setting 14 priorities will be reviewed and possibly re vised.
15 COMMISSIONER AREARNE:
That would be fine.
16 CHAIBHAN PALLADINO:
You say you want to go back 17 to page 11?
18 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Yes, at the top.
This ir 19 a matter of interest.
You have got this conmittee an Deputy 20 Executive Director and you tell his he is supposed to assume 21 a powerful role in reviewing and recommending and so on.
22 Now that is okay, except we don't use those words anywhere 23 else tha t I know of in talking about, I don't know what, 24 quality assurance or anything else.
25 It seems to me there ought to be a certain mesh.
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If we aren't, then maybe we could just say he 3 is expected to, I don't know, but I think he is expected to 4 review and recommend actions in the full range of generic 5 requirements considered by the agency, including backfitting.
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I stumbled on " powerful" I remember myself 8 and almost came back and suggested tha t it sounded like too 9 powerful a word.
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Well, at least that.
12 Well, anyway, I think there ought to be a balance.
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14 the balance you are referring to.
I can see that certainly 15 "powerf ul" ---
16 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, we don't see anybody 17 here who is to exert a powerful role over the quality 18 assurance progran to make sure -- (Simultaneous l
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3 COHNISSIONER BRADFORD4 Central maybe.
4 COHNISSIONER GILINSKY:
Yes.
It-is good 5 considering who is the "DEDROGR."
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7 (Sim ultaneous Conversa tions - Inaudible).
8 CORMISSIONER AHEARNE Page ta, at the bottom of 9 the page.
I would like to get clear what it is that we are 10 directing the staff in their planning to plan for.
We are 11 saying that they should plan for increased use of 12 sta'ndardization and early siting in connection with one-step 1311cen sin g.
They the proposal is starting in FT-84 14 Now does that mean that we are saying that the 15 staff should begin planning, in other words, put in staffing 16 requests, assuming that there will be construction permit 17 applica tions coming in in FY-847 18 HR. REMICK:
In essence it cays in Fiscal Yea r '84 19 1t needs to be prepared in case any come in, and I must I
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21 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
But in planning guidance if 22 you are putting together your resources, if you filter it 23 down to NRR and are puttina together resources, is this nov 24 Commission guidance that they should put in "X"
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MR. REMICK:
I can't differ that you would 3 interpret that -- (Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
4 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I am serious.
If that wha t 5 it means?
6 (Laughter.)
7 MR. HEMICKs I understand wha t you are saying.
It 8 says to be prepared just in case -- (Simultaneous 9 Conversations - Inaudible).
10 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, does this mean just 11 sort of knowing that it could come or what?
I mean, what is 12 it that you would dc?
13-MR. REMICKs The assumption is that there vould be 14 approval f or standa rdized plant design, one-step licensina 15 and so forth.
This is telling the staff that by '84 th ey 16 should be in a position to handle such requests if they come.
17 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, aren't they in a 18 position right now?
If sesebody comes in with that full 19 application they vill review it just the way they 20 review --(Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
21 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
They couldn't do one-step 2211cening.
23 COMMISSIONER GIIINSKY:
Why not?
24 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Let me tell you where ---
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2 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, you are always going 3 to have another stage but it might be just a minimal stage.
4 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Well, I made statements about 5 standardization in a couple of talks I have make and maybe 6 this comes f rom those talks.
7 I do think that we would gain a great deal of 8 benefit by having standardit1d plants, and I mean completely 9 standardized, that are reviewed well in advance and even 10 maybe go so far as having the necessary certification.
What 11 I was thinking of is we should plan and develop our rules 12 and regulations and perhaps legislation so that we could 13 have in place a process that would permit review of a 14 standardized plant along particular guidelines.
I think 15 one-step licensing is an appropriate one to consider in 18 connection with standardized plants.
That is wha t I would 17 see us doing between possibly now and 1984 18 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs But what is it we need to l
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2 I was hoping that the background for accomplishing 3 this would come in part out of this task force.
I am 4 looking ahead to streamlinf"g this policy.
5 COMMISSIONER AHEARNEs I have no difficulty with 6 anything there other than I was asking the question on, what 7 vere we really telling the staff to do in the way of 8 resources by starting in FY-84 By starting in FY-84, was 9 this a var of saying, well, now, you ought to start building 10 up a construction permit branch?
I wasn't sure what 11 COMMISSIONER GILINSKIa Are you talking about 12 rule-making or are you talking about assuming that 13 legislation vill have passed which will ---
14 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Well, I don't know what this 15 particular sentence met.
I was trying to give you 16 background that may have led to-this sentence.
17 COH!ISSIONER GILINSKYa No, I understand that.
18 But it seems to me that we now have the flexibility to load 19 a lo t more on the construction permit review and a lot less 20cn the operating license review to make it pretty close to 21 one-step licensing.
22 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
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We did have an assembly line for standard 2 designs and it turned out that it mostly dealt with 3 preliminary designs.
So it wasn't all that useful.
They 4 also were gearing up for dealing with final designs.
5 MR. DIRCKSa There is one final design that is 6almost ready to be docketed and that is on the GESSAR plant.
7 CHAIRMAN PAllADINO:
On the what?
8 MR. DIRCKS:
GESSAR, the General Electric plant.
9 CHAIRMAN PAllADIN0s Will tha t be integrated 10 balance of plant and nuclear steam supply system?
11 MR. DIRCKSa The way it has been pitched to~us in 12 their presentations is it will be a complete plant.
13 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYa There is a system for 14 doing that and there must be something in there about it 15 takes to trigger additional requirements.
I must say I 16 don 't remember the details on that.
That is something that 17 one can take a look at again.
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If you are 20 going to do early site review you have to have the envelope (Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
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We have a system for early 23 site review.
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But you do have to have some kind of an 2 envelope of factors and so forth that an early site must 3 meet which is consistent within one or more standardized 4 plants that might come along.
So this interface has to be 5there.
6 COHNISSIONER GILINSKI:
This could mean anything 7 between dusting off what we have and getting ready for 8 --( Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
9 NR. REMICK:
(Simultaneous Conversations -
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11 COENISSIONER AHEARNE One of the difficulties I 12 think is that, at least three of us on this side of the 13 table and I don't know about Tom and Peter, but three of us 14 weren 't really too such what that meant.
It has some 15 dif ficulty then in providing planning guidance to the 16 s -a f f.
Maybe if you could expand on that a little bit 17 rather than being that terse, because I don't disagree with 18 Bill.
19 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Well, why don't we try it.
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22 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYa All of this seems to deal 23 with the construction permit process or improving the 24 licensing process for new applications.
Is that what this 25 was all about?
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It would be new applications if ther 2 are standardired presumably.
3 COMMISSIONER GILINSKYs Is this whole page about 4 new construction permit applica tions?
5 MR. EYSYMONTTs The language under "A" really is 6 broader than tha t.
7 CH AIRMAN P ALL ADINO:
What was that?
8 MR. EYSYMONTTs I say the language under the 9 " Policy" appears te be broader than just ne w applications.
10 The first sentence.
It covers the entire licensing process.
11 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO My own feeling is that with 12 regard to improving the licensing process it really is 131ooking ahead to new plants because I think all of the 14 operating licenses that we have coming up are going to be 15 :eviewed basically under our present plans.
The few cps 16that we have are really geared to the old way of doing 17 things.
18 Now if there are some incidental steps taken to 191mprove the hearing process or anything along the way, I 20vould still count them as being our present concept.
I was 21 taking this to mean looking ahead to the future.
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
We might e s, e. go back to 23 the previous version which had the phrase "make the present 24 licensing process for new construction permit applications 25 more ef ficient. "
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CHAIRMAN PALLADINO I don't know how that got 2 out.
I don't think I took it out.
3 (Simultaneous Conversa tions - Ina udible).
4 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
That was on page 12.
5 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN0s Let me see if I took it out.
6 (Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible) 7 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN0s My staff took it out.
8 (Laughter.)
9 COMMISSIONEB AHEARNE The next question I have 10 was on page 16.
No, that is a minor question and I can 11 clarif y tha t with the staff.
12 On page 22.
The first question is under " Planning 13 0uidance" No.
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This is more a question of trying to 14 understand the floating process at the moment.
This has 15 changed several times and now it reads:
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18 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
You are on which page now?
19 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
This is page 22, Item No.
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20 An earlier version had pulling it altogether in a 21 single office.
I agree with th e proposal of a plan rather 22 than an accomplishment, but I wondered did this mean that 23 pulling it together in a single office is not longer to be 24 considered or dees tiis t just mean that that would be one of 25 the options that would be considered?
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HR. REMICK That would be one of the options but 2 not to limit it to that or not tie it down at the moment.
3 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
But it certainly would 4 incorporate that.
5 HR. REMICKa It was not in tended to preclude ---
6-CHAIRMAN PALLADINO What did you have in mind in 7 putting them all in one office?
You mean all the 8 construction, all the opera tion, all Q A, the design and 9 everything?
10 CONMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Don't turn to me, Joe.
11 (Laughtar.)
12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
It is an earlier version 13 --(Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
14 HR. EYSYMONTT (Inaudible.)'
15 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO I had some question on the 16other version also.
17 3R. DIRCKS:
We are taking a look at all the Q A 18 activities as you noted.
One of the options we are 19 considering, and it may actually turn into a proposal, is 20 t ha t we pick up QA, that is the QA activities which are 21 currently scattered across at least three offices and talk 22 about the advantages or disadvantages of putting them into 23 one office.
24 CHAIRMAN PALLADING:
Which three offices?
25 MR. DIRCKS:
We have IEE, NBR and Research and t
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We 4 tried various coordinative activities such as a Q A task 5 force or a QA working group and it hasn 't worked out.
When 6 problems of QA come up, I find it very difficult to turn to 7 one official and say tell me about the problem.
I have to 8 call in four or five people and none of them have paid that 9 auch attention to a relatively small problem.
10 I don't want to prejudge it, but I have asked them 11 to take a look at pulling all these things together and 12 giving one office a designated responsibility.
13 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Would one office be able to 14 handle all the various aspects?
15 ER. DIRCKS:
Yes.
16 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
That would just give it a 17 need for different coordination towards the NRR person 18 (Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible) 19 3R. DIRCKS:
QA, the NRR sort of drops out of it 20 af ter the review of the plant.
NRR has maybe two and a half 21 to three people engaged in Q A activities.
I an even 22 thinking that moving those two or three people would not 23 cripple it.
24 CHAIREAN PALLADINO:
Well, that still would be 25 possible under this Item No.
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I don't disagree with the 2 var it was phrased, but I wanted to ask a question because 31t did change and I had a concern that it might in this 4 change mean the elimination of that proposal which sounded Slike a pretty good proposal.
6 MR. DIRCKS It is still bubbling along.
7 COMNISSIONER AHEARNE:
Fine.
8 MR. DIRCKS4 We vill get something --
9 (Simultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
10 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
The last question I had was 11 on No. 3, the second sentence of No. 3.
I understand where 12 it came from, but I just hoped that perhaps the Chairman 13 could say a few words about what his concept was.
14 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN0s I asked for this to be put in.
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21 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Sure.
22 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
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5 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I had two questions.
I 6 think the idea is good.
7 The first was what did you mean by certified?
8 CHAIREAN PALLADINO:
I don 't know if I used the 9 word " certified," but I was thinking independent audits.
10 CORMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I agree with independent 11 sudits.
12 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Well, the certified is 13 importa n t.
14 CHAIRHAN PALLADINO:
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(Laughter) 17 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY An important pa rt of the 1811 cense for example of county audits is that there is a 19 prof essional -- (Sinultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
20 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes, but there is.
21 Absolutely.
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24 CHAIRHAN PALLADINO:
No.
25 COMMISSIONER ROBERTS:
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3 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Well, for the moment I guess 4 all I could say is competent, independent ---
5 (Laughter.)
6 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN0s We don't have any way that I 7 know of.
8 MR. DIRCKSa It is a matter of style when you say 91t that way.
I think this is one of the options we are 10 con side ring, but if you say it in that way it may turn out 11 to the uninitiated that the Consission now is directing this.
12 COMMISSIONER AREARNE:
That was the secord 13 question.
14 MR. DIRCKS:
Oh, okay.
15 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
That is the other 16 question.
When we say steps should be taken to see that, is 17 that a euphemism for saying we shall require?
18 MR. DIRCKS:
That is how it could be.
te COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Or we will go on 20 rule-making to put it into place, or wo urge?
It wasn't 21 clear to me what it was.
22 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
I believe about all we could z3 hope hope to do at the present time is develop 24 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
You are creating an 25 industry.
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3 MR. REMICKs How about consideration should be 4 given to.
5 MR. DIRCKS:
That would be better.
6 CHAIRMAN PALLADINOs Incid en tally, I would like to 7 look at this wording as compared to what I have used in some 8 talks because I had given some thought to it.
9 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Let me ask, Forrest.
10 MR. REMICKs Yes.
11 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Are we telling the staff by 12 this, staff prepare for us a plan, prepare for us a policy, 13 or prepare for us a proposed rule, or are we saying staff, 14 you should go out and carry this message to the industry?
15 COMMISSIONER GILINSKI:
The staff should play a 16 powerful role.
17 (Laughter.)
18 MR. REMICK4
'de a re saying the staff should 19 consider the former as well as the --(Simultaneous 20 Conversations - In audible ).
21 COMMISSIONER AREARNE:
I think that the staff 22 ought to discuss with the industry and encourage the 23 industry and explore what can be done in developing it and I 24 think that this should be clarified a bit.
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For me personally I am not prepared to 2 make the blanket indictment of the quality assurance 3 problems currently plaguing plants under design and 4 construction.
I think recognizing some specific problem 5 plants is one thing.
I think to make the blanket statement 6 that by inference all plants are plagued by QA problems, I 7 personally have some difficulty with that.
8 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Where is that?
9 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Same section.
10 COEHISSIONER ROBERTS:
Same section, page 22, 11 " Planning Guidance," paragraph 3, the first sentence.
12 NH. REHICKa How about "some plants."
13 COHNISSIONER ROBERTSs How about " currently being 14 experienced by plants under design and construction. "
That 15 says there are some problems and it doesn't say that all 16 plants are plagued by it.
17 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY :
Ihat is okay.
I guess 18 wha t I would say is that where there really are problems NRC 19 ought to do more than coordinate with industry.
20 Is theYe something in he re that NRC will enforce a 21 system of discipline?
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4 CHAIRNAN PALLADIN0s I do agree that we should 5 circumscribe this statement with regard to the extent of the 6 problems, that they don't apply necessarily to all plants.
7 COEMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Tom's words are fine with 8 me.
9 CHAIRHAN PALLADIN0s I think Tom's words are fine.
10 MR. REMICK:
Those were "being experienced by 11 plants" instead of " plagued"?
12 CONNISSIONER ROBERTS:
Correct.
13 CONNISSIONER ROBERTS:
Well, Vic, I don"t have any 14 problem with your concept.
If those clearly are problems I 15 think we ought to maybe do a little more than coordinate 16 with them.
That is not unreasonable.
17 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Right.
i 18 COMMISSIONER ROBERTS:
But a blanket indictment I 19 don ' t think is fair.
20 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Right.
21 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Yes.
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Actually you have got two 23 thoughts there.
One is developing the approach and the 24 other is with those plant specific -- (Simultaneous 25 Conversa tions - Inaudible).
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We want surgical strength.
2 (Laughter.)
3 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
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CONNISSIONER GILINSKYa Coordina ting on developing Sneans to deal with these problems and so on.
At least the 9 vord " coordinate" is right.
But when you are talking about 10 enf orcing specific requirements, then I think you need 11 something more than " coordinate."
12 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Vic or Peter, do you have 13 o th e r a r eas ---
14 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Let's see, I had something 15 a little f urther back.
Oh, yes, Safety Goal.
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l 19 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN04 (Inaudible.)
20 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY I think we need'to become 21 increasingly specific about what it is we are trying to do 22 and that may take a variety of forms.
I doubt whether it is 23 7oing to be one safety goal.
24 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
As a matter of fact, I think 25you had two qualitative safety goals, two quantitative and l
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So you might say two qualitative and 6four. numerical guidance.
7 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
I would say increasingly 8 specific safety guidance.
You will have to use the words 9 " sa f e ty goal" because we have talked about it.
10 MR. REMICKa It could be " develop safety goals."
11 CONHISSIONER GILINSKY:
Yes, which will codify 12 increasingly specific saf ety guidance, or something like 13 that.
14 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN0a I don't 15 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
It is just that I don't 16 vant it to be "a safety goal."
17 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Safety goals with -- wha t did 18 you have -- in creasing what, specific ---
19 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY:
Eaybe just sa ying "sr.fety 20 goals" is good enough.
But that makes it sound like ther 21 are independen t 22 MR. BEMICK:
If you look in (2) below we do have Z3 qualitative safety goals and associated numerical guidance.
24 Is there inconsistency in the document between goal and 25 goals?
I agree it is intended to be just one number.
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9 COMMISSIONER GILINSKIs I would leave this, but 10 then just put 1,n here "aust develop more specific safety 11 guidance."
12 MR. REhICK:
Instead of " safety goal."
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15 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:n I think making it pl' ural is 16 more consistent:Ni'ti what we.are doing.
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5 COMMISSIONER BRADFORDs Well, I don't think ther 6 can gos below three with our rule as it stands.
7 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Can I ask you a question 8 related to that since you raised it.
9 CHAIRMAN PALLADINOs What page?
10 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE4 It is the same thing.
It 111s on page 16.
The time period that NHSS bel'ieves that ther 12 can meet to finish the review, you have three and a half 13 years in ; is that what 14 HR. REMICKa This came as a result of a discussion 15 I had with Jack Martin I think yesterday or the day before.
16It is on the assumption that it would be 16 months for an 17 SER and two years for a hearing coming to three and a half.
18 He says tha t is consistent with one of the Senate 19 committees.
I think it is the Environment Committee.
He 20 feels it is reasonable.
21 It is, however, based on the assumption, and Jack 22 says he has good assurance that that is the way that both 23 the subcommittees are going, th at the FES p re pa red by DOE 24 would be accepted by the Commission.
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4 COMMISSIONER AHEARNEt And if that is not the case?
5 MR. REMICKs He would say that he has got a 8 problem because he can see 16 to 18 months for a DES, nine 7 months for an FES and two years for a hearing which is about 8 four years.
9 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE We ought to be explicit.
10 MR. EISYMONTTs On the assumption that such and 11 such.
12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
13 CHAIRMAN PALLADIN0s You want to state th e 14 assumption?
' 15 COMMISSIONER AHEARNEa Well, it turns out from 16 wha t he just said that that is a critical assumption.
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In connection with that, this is a 19 mixture of basing the program here either on the legislation 20 that is pending or on the submissions thus far to the vaste 21 confidence proceeding.
If you take the vaste confidence 22 proceeding submissions, both DOE and our own, then the dates Z3 change.
Instead of mid-FT-84 it would be mid-FY-86.
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In mid-84 ve vill have in 25 place all regulatory guidance and criteria ?
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If you back off from that you get to '86.
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It doesn't say "will."
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DOE's current plan, as Jack 7 indicated to me this morning, was that the the submittal to 8 the NRC, they are looking at an '98 date and not an '85 date.
9 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
I think they are possibly 10 based on the earlier draf ts of some of that legislation.
11 MB. DIRCKS:
Yes.
Then the whole thing would be 12 based on the legislation.
That should be specified.
13 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Yes.
Let me get one thing 14 clear though.
When we will have in place our guidance as 15 criteria, is that mid '84 the legislation driven date or the 16 date that we currently believe we will have in place all of 17 our regulatory guidance and criteria ?
.18 3R. CORNELL:
It is the former.
19 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I thought it was the latter.
20 MR. CHILK:
Jack said they can't make mid
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21 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
They cannot?
22 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Then why should we put it in?
23 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
We shouldn't be put it here.
24 MR. CHILK:
That is why we suggested
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NR. CHILK No, he does not.
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6 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Are there any other points 71n here that the staff feels that they definitely cannot do?
8 MR. CORNELL Well, one alternative you have would 9 be just to start with the NRC will have in place regulatory 10 guidance and so forth and so on.
You might just strike the (Simultaneous Conversations 11 date altogether and not 12 Ina udible ).
13 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO You might sa y " vill have 14 regulatory guidance and criteria in accordance with such l
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16 CCHEISSION ER AHEARNE:
But can we meet the 17 legislation if they pass the legisla tion?
18 CHAIREAN PALLADINO:
The later legislation I think 19 ve have a chanca of meeting.
The earlier one we did not 20 have a chance of meeting.
It is the one they extended to 21 ' 8 8.
I think this needs to be re-examined.
22 MR. REMICK:
We need some guidance because we get 23 conflicting signals no matter who we talk to.
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According to the staff they can make mid
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3 COMMISSIONER AHEARNEs From the numbers you 4 mentioned, Forrest, it night take them over four years to do 5 the review?
6 MR. REMICKa It aar if the Commission has to 7 produce a separate CES/WSE.
8 CHAIRHAN PALLADIN0s I have a little probles 9
SR. REMICK:
As I say, Jack's feeling is it is to going to be as I indicated, and therefore three and a half 11 years would be an acceptable change from four years.
Of 12 course, if they don't come out that way, then he is back 13 whera he was where he was concerned about two years and nine 14 20n ths.
15 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
The probles I have is the 16 following.
They came out with proposed legislation and we 17 said tha t the time period was too short and they extended 181t.
Now, I don't know whether that is going to pass or 19 n o t.
Whatever the Congress passes, I think we have to gear 20up to try to do.
21 Ihat is why I was wondering that maybe de don't 22vant to put all these dates in here, but indicate that we 23 should plan on the basis of such legislation as is passed by 24 the Congress.
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I would say we would try
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5 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
I was trying to attach it to 6 the legislation that we have an obligation to try to do what 7 th e y sa y.
We should plan on doing what the legislation 8 passes and make known such obstacles as may exist in the 9 path, if any.
10 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
I guess where I fall off of 11 what you said, Joe, is that if the Congress tell us to do 12 something that we really can't do, I would feel that I i
if they 13 could 't direct the staff to now plan on doing that 14 know they can't do it.
15 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
If you can't do it, identify 16 the barriers that exist to doing it.
17 MR. REEICK:
Well, it would be helpful I think if taED0's office could give us a draft with a paragraph tha t 19 aeets --(Sinultaneous Conversations - Inaudible).
20 3R. CORNELL:
Yes.
l 21 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
Fine.
22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
All right.
23 CHAIRMAN PALLADINO:
Vic, do you have more?
24 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY (Nodding nega tively. )
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3 COMMISSIONER ROBERTS:
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6 Let me suggest that you give them Forrest.
Then 7 we will circulate all the changes and see if we are close Senough for a notation vote.
9 MR. REMICKa Could we have those by Friday of this 10 week?
If that reasonable to expect?
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i 13 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY It is reasonable to expect.
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Well, let's leave it this 16 vay.
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19 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE:
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