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| Issue date: | 08/17/1979 |
| From: | Grier B, Pearson E NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTION & ENFORCEMENT (IE REGION I), PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ACCIDENT AT THREE MILE |
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.-..-x PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ACCIDENT AT THREE MILE ISLAND
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NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION, REGION No.
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GRIER, held at the offices of U.
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Nuclear Regulatory Cor. mission, Region ;, 631 Park Avenue, King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, on th'e 17th ' day of August, 1979, co=mencing at 9:15 a.m.,
before Robert Ierkin, Notary Public of the State of New York.
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19 tock the stand and testified as follows:
'O DIRECT EXAMINATICN
'l 3Y MR. PEARSON:
Q Would you state your..ame, please?
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3cyce H.
Grier.
"4 Q
What is your position with the Nuclear
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Director, Region I.
3 Q
could you explain very quickly what your 4
responsibilities are in that position.
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To direct the program of the office of 6
Inspection and Enforcement in Region Region'I is 7
the geographical area of 11 northeastern states and 0
the District of Columbia.
9 Q
Initially, I would like to ask you a 10 number of questions with respect to Region I,
and how 11 this office functions.
To begin the discussion, I lo would ask you to explain what your role is routinely 13 as it relates to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 14 headquarters in Washington.
A I report to the director c; the office of 16 Inspection and Enforcement, and it is my responsi-17 bility to see that_the inspection program, as defined, 18 is implemented within Region I.
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Do you receive your policy directives "O
from the office of Inspection and Inforcement in el Washington?
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How large is Regien !?
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In numbers of people?
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Numbers of States.
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11 northeastern States plus the District of 3
columbia.
4 Q
How many nuclear facilities are under
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There are currently about 20 operating reactorst 7
there are others under construction, the numbers of 8
which I do not have at hand immediately.
9 Q
An estimate will be all right.
10 A
About 10, I guess, or so under construction, 11 There are about eight fuel facilities and some 3,000 12 byproduct materials licensees.
13 Q
How many professional employees work out 14 of this office?
15 A
About 110 here at present.
16 Q
can you give me very quickly the number of 17 persons of that 110 who are involved in direct inspec-18 tion and enforcement activities in the field.
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well, all of them are if you include the super-l l
20 visors; 90 of those are inspectors who actually go into l
21 the field for inspection.
L 22 Q
Is the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 23 Region 1,divifed into diffefen divisions under your -
21 general supervision?
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3:anches.
Four program branches plus a fifth S ENJ AMIN R EPC RTIN G S ERVI C E
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2 administrative branch.
The four program branch 6s are 3
Reactor operations and nuclear support, Reactor 4
Construction and Engineering Support, Fuel Tacilities C
5 and Materials safety, and safeguards.
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woold one person from each of those four,
7 program branches that you mentioned have within his or 8
her responsibility a certain number of nuclear 9
facilities?
10 A
If we limit it to nuclear facilities, reactors 11 either in operation or under construction, there is a 12 project inspector assigned who is the principal 13 inspector for that facility for operat'.ng reactors; 14 the project inspectors in the Reactor Operations 15 a anch for facilities under construction are the r
16 project inspecto;s in the Reactor Construction 3 ranch.
1I Now, th e r e. a r_e specialists in all branches who 18 are involved in the inspection program at reactor 19 facilities, but the lead responsibility is either with O
reactor operations or reactor cons truction.
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operating, do you have a policy which indicates a
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A The inspection program is defined in the !LE i
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manual.
Rather than prescribing frequency of inspec-3 tions overall, it prescribes frequency of certain 4
inspection procedures.
The minimum frequency is 5
quarterly, so it would require I am limiting my 6
discussion to operating facilities it would require 7
inspections at least quarterly in order to meet the
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9 Actually, experience shows that in order to 10 complete the program, inspections have to be done much 11 more frequently than quarterly, and probably on a Io monthly basis.
13 Now, in the past we talked about inspection 14 frequency overall.
In recent years we have defined a 15 program and frequency of particular inspection pro-16 cedures without s.aying how many inspections must be l ~'
performed per year so it is flexibility of inspections 10 in order to complete the program.
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When you speak of inspection procedures, "O
do you mean the steps that an inspector must take while l
a on-site at a facility?
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2 the program on an annual basis and identifies those 3
inspection procedures in the manual which must be 4
performed with prescribed frequency.
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Now, there are: areas in the operations area such 6
as looking at surveillance programs, calibration 7
programs; there are also procedures in the radiation 8
protection area which would define certain procedures 9
to be performed by radiation support personnel from 10 here, or environmental support personnel; other 11 procedures in physical security area that are l'-
performed by safeguards inspectors, so the program is 13 defined on a functional basis for the various areas.
14 Q
This must be.a difficult question to 15 answer:
16 If one of your reactor inspectors would 17 go on-site just fo r..a routine inspection, how would he 18 go about conducting that inspection; generally, what 19 would he look for; where would he go, and. things of
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-Ju aigh: call an entrance 93 conference; that is, the inspector would meet with 44 licensee managencnt on-site to indicate his plans for o
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inspector, I would think, that he would spend his 4
initial period in looking at some of the operating 5
records, visit the control room, observe activities 6
going on.
If his particular area of inspection might, 7
be a surveillance program to determine the status of 8
the compliance of the licensee with the technicai 9
specification requirements fo r surveillance, he would 10 go to whatever location on-site where surveillance 11 records are kept, meet with the licensee's individuals l'
responsible for the surveillance program; he would 13 review the records; he would look at surveillance 14 procedures; he would determine whether or not any 15 surveillance tests were in progress at that time; and 16 he would witness.whatever tests might be performed.
1 Generally, our a,cp rpa ch is to look at procedures for 18 performing an activity, to observe licensee activities 19 in carrying out that procedure, and then to look at
^0 results that are achieved by the procedure.
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Do inspectors normally schedule their arrival with the utility, or de they simply arrive at
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Inspections are unannounced to the extent that
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'!o w, there are sometimes inspections 1
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discussion or to be scheduled so that we can observe 4
activities that are going on which are con!'2cted by 6
the licenaces, so we have to know when that is being 6
performed, but typically the inspections are unannounced.
I Q
Would your inspectors when they come on-site 8
routinely do physical inspections of the actual equip-9 ment or machinery?
10 A
well, to some extent except, understand, that 11 the only inspection we can do in that regard really 12 is visual inspection, so there might be inspection I3 visually to see that the equipment is in place, if it 14 should be operating, to see that it is operating to 15 the extent that you can tell by looking at whatever 16 indications of operations are there, but if you mean by your question, do. you physically inspect in terms
'1 o f measurements of equipment or whateve r physical measurements you might take, we do not do that.
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have an analytical capability with the mobile labora-3 tory or some laboratory facilities here ir the 4
office, or we have laboratory support t.ader contract
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make physical measurements, but as far as equipment 7
our ability to physically inspect is limited.
8 Q
Do your inspectors or some group of 9-inspectors routinely check for emergency response 10 capability at sites?
11 A
Yes, we do; that is a responsibility of our 12 znvironmental support section which is in the fuel 13 Facilities and Material safety 3 ranch, emergency 14 planning inspection is their responsibility.
15 Q
uow would one of your inspectors seeking 16 to determine whet.her a utility was maintaining his 17 emergency response c,apability go about doing that?
18 A
First, the inspector would prepare by becoming 19 familiar with the licensee's e=ergency plan, and then 20 he would look at prccedures, see that the licensee had 21 procedures available to implement the plan; he would 22 determine what emergency equipment is required to be n3 available and see if that equipment is as required;
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we would do that on an annual basis although I don't 3
believe we presently require that to be done annually.
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Is it your policy that, as possible, 5
inspectors would attend those drills?
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That is correct.
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Q Would your inspectors concerned with the 8
licensee's emergencyfresponse capability on-site check 9
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to see whether equipment was operational such as, for 10 example, respirators?
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I can't answer that. We would look at the avail-1~9 ability of respirators and should determine whether or 13 not the respirators meet whatever requirements exist; 14 that is, that they are approved respirators.
15 As far as actually determining the operational 16 ability of respisators, that is not routinely deter-mined, I don't be-lieve.
18 Q
Would the inspectors routinely check to 19 assure, for exanple, that telephone numbers of off-site
~O persons to be notified remain current?
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remained in e f fect, and that the hospitals in fact 3
had the capacity to do what they agreed to do?
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Yes, that is generally part of it.
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out that is part of what we call the operationa.1 6
preparedness part of our inspection program, before a; I
facility receives an operating license, one of the 8
. things we do is sp e ci.fic ally to review the whole 9
emergency arrangements at that time and make a deter-10 mination that they have be'en made.
At that time, the 11 things you inquire about as far as hospital avail-12 ability and agreements with hospitals is a part of 13 the program.
Then periodically thereaftar with respect 14 to the annual inspection, the inspector or someone in 15 this area would look at certain parts of the emergency 16 plan.
It may not be that we would look totally at the 17 plan annually, but 3ome part of it would be inspected; 18 whether we look at hospitals every year I am not sure, 19 but it is a general or part of the program at some
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Is it also part of :he program that your f
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A Yes, that is part of the program.
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Q Would they check access doors, and things 3
of that sort to assure that if they were to be opened, 4
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I would expect that to be part of the program, 6
yes.
7 Q
You have indicated, I think, that emergency 8
preparedness may be checked annually, or so?
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Yes.
10 Q
Is that of a lesser frequency than other 11 inspection frequencies for other interests?
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A Well, I indicated that some of the requirements 13 are on a quarterly basis.
You know, the operatiass 14 aspects in terms of plant operations is a quarterly frequency so, yes, there are other things that are 16 more frequent th a,n annual.
Q When.a e,onstruction permit application 18 arrives, what role does this office play with respect 19 to reviewing that application compared to the role "O
that NRC Washington would supply in reviewing that
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A Cur only involvement when an application is 43 re:eived is to examine the lic~ensee's quality assuranca 04 program.
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We will conduct inspec-3 tions of the licensee's quality assurance program 4
implementation, particularly in the area of design 5
and procurement, form a basis as to whether or not 6
the program, as described in the application, is in
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construction permit,..that is really the extent of our 9
involvement.
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I am not clear' on precisely what is 11 involved with the quality assurance program.
Can you 12 give me some more information on that.
13 A
As a part of an application submitted for 14 license, the applicant must describe a quality assur-15 ance program which meets criteria estaolished by NRR.
16 These criteria are contained in an appendix of 10CFR 17 Part 50.
With th.e application submitted, there is a 18 Safety Analysis Report, SAR; in connection with the 19 construction permit it is called a Preliminary safety 20 Analysis Report or PsAR.
chap e 17 of the PsAR
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similarly for operating license in the Final on 23 safety Analysis Report or PsAR there is also a l
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prog 7am for construction, and for the FSAR it is the 3
quality assurance program for operation.
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Licensing to determine whether or not the program 6
described meets the criteria established by NRC.
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'is then our responsibility in Inspection and Enforcement 8
to conduct the inspections necessary to assure that 9
he program, as described and approved by Licensing, actually being implemente'd.
Now, this means that 10 1
11 the licensee has in place organiration and procedures 12 to carry out the quality assurance program, as D
described.
14 Q
What role, if any, does this Region I play 15 when the question of the proposed siting of a nuclear 16 reactor comes up?
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We play no -
role in that regard.
We may receive 13 questions from NRR if we have some familiarity with 19 the site, but unless requested we have no responsi-20 bility in that regard.
21 Q
With respect to a site's emergency respense 22 plan, which understand would be submitted in some 23 sketchy form at the PSAR stdge --
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Yes.
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at the operating license stage, what role would this 3
region play in reviewing and in determining the 4
adequacy of that emergency response plan for a C
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At the cons truction permit stage, we would play; 7
no role.
With the more detailed emergency plan 8
submitted with the application for an operating 9
license we would generally review that and provide 10 any comments that we might have to Licensing, but 11 again it would largely be on a request basis.
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Would the final word or decision as to 13 the adequacy of a utility's emergency plan reside in 14 NRC, Washington?
15 A
That is correct, it is Licensing's responsibility.
I 16 However, I think'.we share a responsibility if we 17 i
observe during the sourse of our inspections that
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Q Do you play any role with respect to the R::lc 3
' review or comments on the adequacy of olans other than 4
the plans of the utility; for exanple, plans of com-b 5
munities proximate to facilities, or state plans and 6
things of that sort?
7 A
Not directly.
Now, in the past, we have provided 8
some people who-have participated in the review of 9
state plans, but that has been done as a support to the 10 Office of State Frograms in the NRC, and not really 11 as an IGE function, so from the standpoint of this 12 office, yes, but from the standpoint of Inspection and 13 Enforcement, no.
14 Q
Are there any persons in the region who 15 are assigned out of the office of state Programs?
16 A
There are n o,w.
We have a state liaison officer 17 who is assigned he,re, who is on my staff, but takes 18 his direction from the Office of State Prograns, now 19 that has been in place for something over a year as 20 a trial program.
Prior to his assignment here, we 01 provided one of our inspectors or one of our section k,-
chiefs, actually, who served as a member of the Federal o,
Regional Advisory Committees, who vere involved in
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reviewing of state emergency plans, so there has been n5 involved, but he is really part of :sE.
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Q Who is that person?
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'A Phil Stohr.
He is a section chief in the Fuel 4
Facilities and Material Safety Branch.
The state
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Elsasser.
7 Q
I understand that Region I itself has an 8
emergency response plan; is that accurate 7 9
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10 Q
could you, in general terms, tell me whau 11 that plan provides for.
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It provides for notification of appropriate 13 personnel whenever we receive information of an 14 incident, activation of our Incident Responce Center 15 here in che office if the significance of the inci-16 dent requires, and the dispatch of inspectors, as part I
of an emergency response team to the site of the 13 incident.
It provides for establishing communications 19 with headquarters and their incident response team; "O
that is, telephone communications and establishing 91 communications with the incident r e sp o r. 3 e team when k-no that team arrives on-site.
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Could you characte51:e fer ua your views o.
as to the priority which emergency res.ense planning
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A i think this region has given considerable priority 3
to the area.
Understand that I have only been here as
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emergency planning within the region.
The emergency 7
response plan that ou referred to for Region I was 8
largely developed when.I got here.
9 Q
At your direction?
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No.
It was done before I arrived, and I came 11 in July of 1'977.
12 since I have been here, the plan has been 13 revised considerably to conform to some of the direc-14 tion from headquarters.
Also, we had made some 15 effort to provide an emergency response center or 16 incident response.gcenter by having te phones installed, 17 dedicated lines th,a t were 'n our conference recm, to i
18 act as our response center.
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Prior to coming to this region, did you "O
have experience with other regions in NRC?
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Not immediately.
I was on the headquarters staff for four years; prior to that, I had been in Region II.-
93 Q
Do all regions have an energency response 04 center or ccamunications point that would activate if aS an energency arose?
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A I don't believe all of them do, or did not.
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may have now.
My impression is that this region was I
more advanced in that regard than other regions.
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should point out that the director who was here went 6
to Atlanta, and I know he now has a fully-equipped 7
Incident Response Center in Region II.
8 Q
Who is that?
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Mr. O'Reilly, Jim O'Reilly.
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Do the other regions also have emergency 11 response plans that are set out ahead of time in writing?
12 A
I believe they do.
I am not familiar with them 13 specifically, but I think all regions have some -- I 14 am sure all regions have some emergency response plan.
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Is there a mandatory directive from 16 headquarters requiring the preparation and maintenance 17 of a plan of this so_r.t?
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Yes, I think there is.
I am no: -- yes, there 19 is a manual chapter which I am trying to recall in the 20
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response.
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Yesterday we learned that this region has 03 a duty officer.
94-A Yes.
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What is the function of a duty officer?
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off-hours to ensure that there is available on a 24-4 hour basis some individual from the regional office f.,
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He has instruction 6
procedures with respect to contacting other individuals 7
in the office who might be needed in the event of a i-8 response to an incident.
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Is it the responsibility of a designated 10 duty officer to remain at a certain location where he 11 can be contacted during his specified time?
12 A
Prior to the Three Mile Island incident, we had 13 a telephone answering service who took care of calls 14 that came in during off-duty hours, and they had 15 procedures for notifying the duty officer.
He was 16 either to remain at his home telephone, keep the 17 answering se rvice.in f.o rmed o f where he might be 18 reached, or he carries a pager by which he can be 19 beeped if he was unavailable at a telephone.
His 20 instructions were to call the answering service to oI receive the message.
22 As a result of the Three Mile Island incident, 23 we have changed those procedure ~s t'o now provide oI assurance that the duty officer is available 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br />.
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in the office.
Recently within the last couple of 3
weeks, we have changed that procedure so that only 4
headquarters, our operations center, I&E, maintains 5
the 24-hour duty officer, and he has instructions on 6
how to reach the regional duty officer, so ' n other 7
words, we have done away with our telephone answering 8
service, and we now have either someone in the office 9
during the day, and the duty officer does not leave a
10 home until he is sure that someone is in the office, 11 or the person in the office does not leave the office 12 until we are sure that the duty officer is at home.
13 Q
co you recall who the duty officer was on 14 the morning that the accident began at Three Mile 15 Island on March 28, 19797 16 A
Jim Devlin.,
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How wAs he contacted, to your recollection?
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It went something like this, as I recall:
The 19 initial notification from Three Mile Island came to 20 the answering service shortly after seven o' clock in 21 the morning.
The answering service followed their nn procedure and called the duty efficer's home, and did 23 not receive any answer, and then tried to page him, 04 again did not receive any call-in.
The answering n-3 service had a priority list to go down if they could i
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not reach the duty officer.
The next priority was 3
the deputy director of the office.
I am not sure of 4
the sequence, but he called there and determined that 5
he had already left and was en route to the office, 6
tried the duty of ficer again and, I think, got the 7
duty officer's wife, who said he was en route to the 8
office, and attempted.to page both of them.
The duty 9
officer, I understand, did receive the page, but he 10 by that time was within a mile or so of the office, 11 and it was quickest for him to,just come on in to-the 12 office, so we were vulnerable during the period whers 13 people were in transit to the office, that is true, 14 so we have attempted to correct that by assuring that 15 someone is in the office until the duty officer is at 16 home.
17 Q
co you. also have an emergency planning 18 officer or response designee?
19 A
Yes, we dos that responsibility is with the 20 same sectica that has responsibility for inspecting 21 licensees' eme rgency plans, and the section chief there nn has been Phil Stohr, the same individual I =entioned 23 earlier; someone within his sectio ~n would currently
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what would his proper title be?
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Emergency planning officer.
7 Q
What would his exact responsibilities be 8
in that position?
9 A
He develor' the incident response plan for 10 Re gio r.
I, and assures the availability of communications 11 equipment, and whatever other equipment that we need.
12 Q
Who was the emergency planning officer?
13 A
That is Dale Donaldson at present.
14 Q
Was he also emergency planning officer at 15 the time of the accident at Three Mile Island?
16 A
Yes, he wasi 17 Q
At the beginning.of an emergency, what role 13 will this region play, as compared to the role that 19 NRC headquarters will play?
How will the response of
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responsible for the initial response to an incident.
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incident.
7 I should point out that we had not had any 8
exercises of this arrangement prior to'Three Mile 9
Island, at least from this region.
I believe there 10 had been one exercise and maybe more between Region II 11 and headquarters, but this region had not been, so it 12 was really a new experience for us, but I view the 13 initial response to be one of dispatching a team 14 establishing communications, and at least at that 15 time and initially we were the relay point between 16 inspectors in the, initial response team who were on-17 site and the headqua5ters Incident Response Center.
18 Now, subsequent to the first couple of hours 19 when communications were established directly between 20 the site and headquarters, a three-way ecemunication, 21 and more recently since the event, we have established 22 special communications lines, dedicated lines, between 23 all of the operating facilities and the headquarters o4 Incident Responso Center and the regional office.
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It does not 6
ring here.
The operations center at headquarters has 7
to put the region on the circuit, but it can be a 8
three-way conversation on that line.
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You indicated some exercises between 10 Region II and headquarters.
11 A
Yes.
12 Q
What would one of those exercises involve?
13 A
Doing a drill, a communications drill, to man 14 the operations center at headquarters or the incident response center at headquarters and the incident 15 16 response center in the regions, and establish 17 communications, and in its full extent, it would iavolve _
18 dispatch of a team to the site and establish com-19 munications that way.
I am not sure of the extent 20 of the drill.
You could simulate someone on-site 21 without actually putthing him there, but it would be
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exercises have been undertaken unannounced to that 3
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Is it your understanding that in the
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the initial response, and then after headquarters was 7
notified and got up to speed, then headquarters would 8
begin to take t he pred.ominant role?
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Yes, that is my understanding, and I believe tha t __ _
10 is what the plan specifica1'ly says, that once the 11 executive management team is in place, headquarters 12 will direct NRC's response.
13 Q
Do you review that as an appropriate 14 response procedure?
15 A
I think, in view of the Three Mile Island 16 experience, there.has to be direction of the response 17 from the site, and.
think we have learned that at 13 least for an incident of this magnitude, you cannot 19 direct the response completely from Bethesda.
You 20 can't direct it from King of Prussia.
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Have you made recom=endations to that l
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Not, I guess, specifically, nos not formal i
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Let us focus on the role you actually 4
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I was informed at about 7:45, the morning of 7
March 28th.
I' talked about ths dif ficulty that was 8
experienced in notifyLng Region I,
and to go further 9
with that, the practice here is that when the recep-10 tionist who handles our telephone calls arrives in 11 the office, she informs the answering service and 12 obtains any messages that the answering service might 13 have for the office, so when that was done, the 14 calls that had come in earlier from Three Mile Island, 15 the messages were received, and they were passed on 16 by the telephone operator here to the appropriate 17 branch chiefs, Mr., El, den B runne r in Re acto r Op erations,
18 and Mr. George Smith in Fuel Facilities and Materials 19 safety, so Mr. Ildon 3 runner came into my office at 20 about 7:45, having received the notification from the 21 operator, the messages from Three Mile Island, that 1(-
22 they had declared their emergencies, initially the 23 site emergency and then later the ' general e=e gency, oI so I had that information, then, at about 7:45.
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establishing communications with the' site at that 3
' time, and I attempted to notify headquarters.
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some difficulty in reaching the duty officer there, 0
5 I finally received a call from John Davis, who was 6
acting director, I&E, and informed him* of the 7
information we'had of an emergency at Three Mile 8
Island, told him we were manning our Incident Response 9
center.
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why did you have difficulty contacting the 11 duty officer at headquarters?
I have some difficulty in 12 A
My initial call 13 remembering exactly, but I got the NRC operator at 14 the time, and whether I called her or whether I called 15 the duty officer and'got her, I do not recali, but 16 in any event, she. indicated she would attempt to find 17 the IGE duty officer.
18 Now, their situation was si=ilar to ours at 19 the time, in which the duty officer went home at night 20 and was available to be called.
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21 that I got was not from the futy officer but fom some-22 body else that had been there, Nancy Irvin, on the 23 headquarters staff.
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headquarters.
The NRC operator, being unable to reach 3
him, or at least trying to reach him in the office, 4
had gotten Nancy Ervin.
She called me because she
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I informed 6
her tha t we were trying to reach the duty officer 7
because of an incident at Three Mile Island.
Subse-8 quently, the message got to John Davis, who called me 9
backs that transpired between 7:45 and a:00, when I
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13 Q
What kind of information did you have 14 available at that point with respect to Three Mile 15 Island?
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At tha t par ticular point, I think it was very 17 limited.
We were aware that they had.an initial 13 information that they had a feedwater transient that 19 resulted in reactor scram, and at that point, there "O
were no reported releases.
I think that is about the 91 extent of our information.
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after we had manned the Incident Response Center, we 3
'then established communications from that point, 4
so from that point on, essentially we had the 5
Incident Response center manned, and we had communi-6 cations with the site.
7 We were then involved in getting a team to-8 gether to despatch to the site.
The first car with 9
five individuals left here about 8:45 I believe, or 10 about anthour later, and a second car left a little 11 bit later with two individuals.
12 Q
Did you hold any meetings that morning to 13 coordinate the Region I response?
14 A
Not as such; only I went to our Incident 15 aesponse center and remained there essentially all 16 that time and assured that the center was manned.
17 One of the f.irst things I recall was the question 13 of availaibility of our mobila' laboratory, which at 19 that time was on a routine inspection in Connecticut 20 at Millstone, and a decision was made to contact the 21 m'obile' laboratory and direct them to return to the 22 office here to be dispatched to the Three Mile Island l
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Did you make that decision?
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inspection program in two functions:
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obtaining samples, maybe, in-plant samples of effluents 9
from the plant and splitting that sample with the 10 licensee and conducting our own independent analysis 11 to see if we reach agreement; it is also used in 12 independently collecting environmental samples and 13 analy' zing that, so it has capability for doing those 14 types of analyses.
15 As far as details on the equipment, I think 16 th at is better answered by Mr. smith, you will talk 17 to him this afterno'on.
18 Q
What time did you issue the order for the 19 mobile laboratory to return to this office?
20 A
sometime after 8:00 o' clock; don't recall now 21 exactly what time contact was made with the labo r a to ry.
22 As ! indicated they were in Connecticut.
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so they picked up the equipment and supplies from the 3.2 3
office here and then proceeded to the Three Mile 4
Island-site, arrived there about 7:00 p.m.
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6 Q
why did you decide to have them come here 7
rather than s'o directly to Three Mile Island that 8
morning?
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This is not really out of the way from 10 connecticut, plus the fact that they needed to pick II up the additional equipment, instrumentation, and la supplies from the laboratory.
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Was it also because you did not have a 14 full understanding of the severity of the accident?
15 A
That is true at 8:00 o' clock, but we really 16 decided that s in c,e this is not really out of the way, 17 and since, if they were going to be needed at the 18 site, they needed additional supplies which chey had 19 to pick up here.
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3.3 that we were receiving from the site, and assuring 3
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to be sent to the site.
We had, as I indicated 6
initially, five and then two, so there were seven.
7 I did, and I guess this was about the The first thing 8
middle of the day, direct that another reactor 9
inspector be sent.
We had sent two reactor inspectors with the first group of seven, so we dispatched a 11 third reactor inspector early in the afternoon.
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Is that a fair chara :eri:ation of the 10 role you played throughout Wednesday?
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Reactor Operations Branch chie f, and George Smith, 4
Fuel Facilities and Material Safety Branch chief, my
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the phones in the center, the Public Affairs officer, 7
Mr. Abraham from time to time, and another thing that g
was done, sometime 'during the-day, when we became 9
overwhelmed with telephone calls from the public, was 10 to assign some individual'to provide assistance to 11 Mr. Abraham, in responding to telephone caliss at 12 least three of the section chiefs who were not directly 13 involved in the incident were assigned to provide that 14 assistance.
15 There was also dealing with Tom Elsasser and 16 the St ite liaison of ficer in terms of his contact
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With which persons outside of Region I 20 were you in concact that morning?
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There were other 23 contacts with individuals involved at headquarters 24 3arnie Weiss, I remember particularly, who was involved 25 in emergency pianning at headquarters.
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remember the others specifically.
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who is Mr. Moseley?
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Director, Division of Reactor Operations
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Is he at headquarters?
7 A
Yes, Iss staff at headquarters.
8 Q
Were thes,e gentlemen giving you any infor-9 mation that you did not previously have which respect 10 to the site?
11 A
No, I don't think they were.
I don't recali any 12 particular information of that nature.
13 I guess I have to say that I thought that 14 communications was somewhat limited in that !
let 15 me back up a minute, to say that as I indicated 16 initially we were to serve as relay point between 17 communications at t.e site and headquarters because we 18 had the telephone lines to headquarters.
About the 19 middle of the day, late morning, 11:00-12:00, or so, 20 there was the request from headquarters, or really 21 the directica from headquarters that the telephones 22 be changed, that the circuits be established so that 23 communications were directly~hetween headquarters and-2%
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information, at least insofar as the information from 3
Unit 2 control room went.
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7 emergency ope' rations center, so we used the informa-8 tion, the communication channel from Unit 2 control 9
room to pass operational information, and the commu-10 nications with Unit 1 control room to pass radiation 11 and environmental information.
We were continuing to 19 relay radiological and environmental information, but 13 direct headquarters communication was established 14 about the middle of the day with Unit 2 control room, so in effect we were out of the relay at that time.
16 Q
Did you have direct communications with 1,#
the observation c,e n t,e r a t the site?
18 A
No, we did not.
19 Q
Was that established at any point?
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Q Are there any specifics as to the events 3
of that day that come to your mind that would be 4
worthy of mention?
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to mind.
7 Q
Did you learn Wednesday of the pessibility 8
.that there was an explosion within the reactor?
9 A
No, I did not; that did not come to my attention 10 on Wednesday.
11 Q
When did you leave Region I on Wednesday?
12 A
Sometime Wednesday evening; I don't remember 13 exactly.
When it became apparent by afternoon that 14 we were going to have to continue to man the response 15 center through the evening, I directed my deputy, 16 Jim Allen, to go.home so that he could come back'and 17 relieve me, and so I was'here until he returned which 19 I am sure was sometime after 3:00 o' clock.
I don't 19 remember exactly what time I went home, but it was I
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office who was in contact with them.
It was Bob 3
Bores who was fulfilling that function.
4 Again, going back to our usual procedure, this
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has responsibility for State liaison.
Dr. Bores is a 7
member of that section, and.so he carried out those 8
responsibilities.
9 Q
Was he the contact point for Pennsylvania 10 personnel during the entire course of the accident?
11 A
Not personally.
He was here during the day at 12 least initially.
There was someone fulfilling that 13 function continuously, I believe, but it was not 14 Dr. Bores all the time.
I can't answer right now who 15 else was involved, but there was someone generally 16 responsible for that area.
17 Q
To the best of'your recollection, did 18 Dr. Bores remain he re in the region during the entire 19 course of the accident?
20 A
No, he was he went to the site sometime later; 21 I am not sure now exactly when he went to the site.
22 Cf course, it was on Friday when we moved a number of 1
23 people to the site, additional people, when I went to 24 the site George Smith and I went to the site on 25 Friday afternoon, and someti=e later : think Dr. sores E ENJ AMIN R EPc RTIN G S ERvicE
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came to the site, but I don't remember what time, so 3
he was deployed to the site also.
I can't say 4
exac t' ; when.
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when you left here at the end of wednesday, 6
did that finish your entire involvement with the 7
accident on Wednesday?
8 A
Yes, it did.
9 Q
when did you next become involved with the 10 accident?
11 A
when I returned to the office Thursday morning.
12 Q
Did you return at 8:00 that morning?
13 A
Well, earlier than 8:00, probably 7:00.
14 Q
What was the situation here when you 10 arrived?
16 A
The center.was still manned, of course.
Mr. Allen 1I was here in charge,.and things were pretty much as I 18 had left them on Wednesday =orning.
19 Q
Was there any new understanding with 20 respect to the state of the reactor at that point?
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If I can back up a minute to Wednesfay evening,
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to i-is the restart of the primary coolant pu=p b
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Wednesday evening, and I was still here when that 3
happened, so once that had been accomplished there 4
was very little change between the status of the 5
reactor from the time I left on Wednesday afternoon --
6 Wednesday evening until I returned on Thursday 7
morning.
8 Q
Could you characterize for us what you 9
did on Thursday morning, what the role you played 10 was at that time?
11 A
well, I resumed the same role that I had before, 12 directing the operations here in the Incident Response 13 center.
I did have a meeting of my branch chiefs the 14 first thing Thursosy morning to review where we were.
15 As I recall, the things we discussed were that the 16 objectives of response to the events should be along 17 these lines:
O n e,, b,ringin g the reactor to cold shut-18 down; two, identify the sources of release of radio-19 active materials and get them stopped; a third, I 20 guess, was to determine what was being released or 21 what had been released; and fourth, establish the 22 sequence of events in the accident.
Those were the 23 order o f priority that : placed on things that I had~
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possible intentions of the utility to dump some 3
industrial waste water into the Susquehanna River?
4 A
The first thing that I recall in that regard 5
was sometime Thursday evening when there were some 6
questions from headquarters on that matter, and subse-7 quently, I believe about 6:00 p.m.,
or so, I recall 8
that I received a call from the Incident Response 9
Center at headquarters with instructions that I should 10 call the plant superintendent at the site and direct 11 him to stop dumping industrial waste' water into the 12 river.
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someone gave you directions to this effece?
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whe was that?
16 A
I came frop the executive management team; who 1I specifically made tr.e telephone call, I am not sure 18 I recall, but I was in fo rme d that the order came from 19 Mr. Gossick, who was in the center at the time.
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oo you remember what time Thursday evening o1 this was?
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but I don't 23 remember it precisely.
It was sometime late Thursda9
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headquarters?
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Yes.
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The call came in and instructed that you
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not dump this waste water?
7 A
That is' correct.
8 Q
At this point, was there a dump ongoing, 9
and the effect of your order would have been to stop 10 the activity?
11 A
That is my understanding of the situation.
10 Q
Did you follow through on those instruc-13 tions?
14 A
Yes.
I contacted the inspector, one of the 15 inspectors at the site, believe, Dr. Gallina, who 16 in Unit 1 control. room, and asked him to locate :he 17 plant superintendent.so that I c uld talk to hia, and 18 that was done.
I relayed to him, in effect, the order 19 that he should stop releasing from the industrial "O
waste tank to the river.
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Who was the, plant superintendent with whom 2~'
you spcke?
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Gary Miller.
Q Mr. Miller?
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Q Was it your understanding that the vaste 3
water that they were at that time releasing was 4
radioactive?
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There was some radioactivity in the water.
It 6
had been analyzed, but the level of radioactivity was 7
such that it met NRC requirements for release to the 8
river.
9 Q
How did you know that?
10 A
From the results of the analysis that were made.
11 Q
Where was the analysis made?
12 A
I believe, our mobile laboratory had analysed 13 the samples for the licensee.
14 Q
Did you also hear of the results of that 15 a.nalysis by your mobile laboratory at the time or by 16 the time the call from headquarters came in?
17 A
! was aware. of the analytical results.
I don't 13 believe I knew at the time that the analysis had been 19 done by our laboratory, but I subsequently learned 20 that.
I believe, Mr. Smith here was aware at the 21 time th a t we had done the analysis, and that there was s
22 no problem in terms of meeting NRC requirements.
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headquarters at NRC, is that correct?
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Yes, that is my recollection.
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When you called the site to relay the
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of this waste water indicated that it was within NRC 7
limits?
8 A
That is correct.
9 Q
co you recall precisely where or how you 10 became aware of the analysis?
11 A
No.
I know there was discussion with Mr. Miller 12 when I talked to him on the phone about the analytical 13 results, and the fact that he had made the determina-14 tion that they met any MRC limits for dumping; whether 15 that was the first awareness that I had of the 16 analytical results or not, I don't recall.
17 Q
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20 A
This is recorded in our Incident Response Centar 21 log.
I can provide you with copies of the sheets, I 22 think, on which tha: in fo rma tion is logged.
23 Q
It is quite poss'ib'le Ehat Mr. Sherman has 24 already come across those documents.
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that make an account of these events?
3 A
Not that I am aware of, no.
4 Q
How was your order received by Mr. Miller f.
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6 A
He agrsed to stop dumping or releasing somewhat 7
reluctantly because of the situation that would 8
develop if he did not continue to release it because 9
the tanks were full, and if the water were permitted m
10 to overflow into the building it would eventually 11 reach the river anyway through a storm drain, I 12 believe, to a point of low flow in the river, and it 13 was his view enat it was preferable to release through 14 the designed release point of high river flow, and 15 since it met any NRC limits as far as radioactivity 16 goes, he felt to. continue the release was the perfer-17 able course of ac. tion; nevertheless, because of the 18 order, he agreed to stop release.
19 Q
What was your traction to his thoughts in 20 th a t regard?
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- was inclined to agree with hic.
I passed 22 that information onto headquarters.
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cid you personally relay that information?.
4 A
Yes.
5 Q
Did you relay that information immediately 6
upon the completion of your conversation with 7
Mr. Millert 8
A Yes.
I may have talked to Mr. Moseley, but I am 9
not sure.
In any event, I personally relayed the 10 information to headquarte rs, yes.
11 Q
when you originally received the call from 12 headquarters directing you to pass the order along, 13 did you question the order at that time, or enter into 14 a discussion as to the wisdom of the order at that 15 time?
16 A
I don't believe I did.
There was some discussion 17 here about what 1t ould mean if the releasing were 13 stopped, but I don't think it was any discussion with
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21 Q
Did you establish contact with any repra-C 22 sentatives of either the counties surroundin7 Three 23 Mile Island or or the state with respect to this 24 matter?
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Not on this issue, no.
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Are there any other events of Thursday 7
aftsrnoon which occurred which are worthy of mention?
8 A
The other th'ing that I recall on Thursday, and 9
I am not sure of the precise time, but sometime then 2
10 we became aware of the radioactivity levels in the 11 primary coolant sample which had been taken, and the 12 indication that that provided of the high levels of 13 radioactivity, and hence apparent significant fuel 14 damage; that is the one event of Thursday that I 15 recall.
16 The other activity of Thursday concerning our 17 involvement here, t'o some extent there were a number 18 of congressmen, re resentatives, who were sent to the 19 site on Thursday, and we were involved in responding 20 to requests from headquarters to try to make some 21 arrangements to accommodate their visits which caused 22 me some difficulty in terms of providing people.
We 23 vero asked to initially provide someone to =eet them 21 at the ai rpo r t and drive them to the site, and that 25 was an activity that I was not prepared to take care of.
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We don't have those sorts of resources here, so that 3
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Was that an interruption, or was it more C
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Well, it was an interruption, I think.
7 Q
Do you think that occurrence limited '.no 8
effectiveness of the.. re spons e of Region I?
9 A
I think it detracted to some extsat.
- Well, 10 Mr. Keinig, fo r instance, who had been dispatched to 11 the site on Wednesday was involved on Thursday in the 12 b rie fin gs of congressmen, and th a t really detracted 13 from his principal responsibilities at the site.
I 14 did send a State liaison officer over on Thursday, and 15 he was present for some of the briefing of co.n gre s s me n,
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Getting back to the waste water question 3
again, when you called headquarters back and in-4 dicated that you had some sympathy with the posi-h 5
tion of the utility on this matter, what kind of 6
response did you get?
7 A
I don't recall any specific response except 8
that they accepted the information.
9 Q
was there any indication that they
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11 A
Not that I recall.
The order was still in 12 effect when I left Thursday evening.
Some time 13 later, perhaps midnight, I believe, or so, the 14 order was lifted, but it was in effect for several 15 hours1.736111e-4 days <br />0.00417 hours <br />2.480159e-5 weeks <br />5.7075e-6 months <br />..
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Did these events that you have just 17 recounted terminate.your involvement with the waste 18 water dump issue?
Did you have any other personal 19 involvement with it other than what you stated?
'O A
That is the extent of it.
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When did you leave here on Thursday?
A Again, it was some time late in the evening;
'3 I don't recall precisely, but I $culd guess, 3:00 o.
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course of the evening while you were away from
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6 A
No, I did not.
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What was the state of affairs when you O
arrived on Friday morning?
9 A
I think initially it was pretty much as it 10 had been on Thursday.
Activity picked up during 11 the course of the morning when the question of l'*
evacuation was raised.
13 Q
How did that issue first come into this 14 office?
15 A
My recollection is that we first received it 16 from the site from people who were asking the 1
question, "Has NRC_ recommended evacuation?"
18 Some of the inspectors at the site had heard reports 19 on the radio there, and they contacted us to find
^0 out what was going on, and we had received no in-ol formation at that time here that evacuation was 1
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What time was that?
A I am not sure of the time now.
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Q Do you recall who called from the site?
3 A
or. Gallina may have called.
It also may I
have come from Phil Stohr.
We had established tele-5 phone communications with the mobile laboratory a
6 telephone had been put into the mobile laboratory I
at the site,"which was located adjacent to the ob-O servation center, by "the way, and I have some 9
recollection that they had a radio in the mobile 4
10 laboratory, and it may be that they had gotten 11 the initial radio reports over thers and called here, l'
but I am not real clear on that point.
13 Q
What information was given to you other 14 than the question, "Did NBC order an evacuation?"
15 Was there anything e1se?
16 A
No, that is the way it was put.
As I recall, 17 I contacted headquarters and ! think it was Norm 18 Moseley again, to ask him if NRC had recommended 19 evacuation.
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What response did you get?
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vell, he didn't knov, as ! recall, at that oo
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NRC recommending evacuation?"
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time about that, that we had, but I would attempt to find out from Headquarters if that had been done.
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Did your conversation with Mr. Gerusky 11 cover any other subject?
12 A
Fo, that was the only subject, so I again call'ed 13 Mr. Moseley in an effort to find out, and as I recall 14 the only thing I learned was that there was discus-15 sion of evacuation,.but that i?. was not clear to him 16 at that point; he couldn't find out whether or not such a r e c o mme n da t i-d n had been made.
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I don't remember exactly how long it was, but 4
eventually I learned that the chairman of the NRC 5
had esde such a. recommendation initially, and then 6
I believe, or at least my understanding is, that it 7
was revised,'and the recommendation was that school 8
children and pregnant women be evacuated. At that 9
point, I recontacted Tom Gerusky to tell him what
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12 Q
co you remember what the initial evacuation 13 order or recommendation was from the NRC?
14 A
Mot precisely, no.
It is my impression now, 15 and I don't remember whether I knew it at the time, 16 but my impression now is the recommendation to evacu-II ate from within fiv.,e miles of the plant.
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How much time elapsed, roughly, as you 19 can recall, between your first notification that T
the NRC might have ordered evacuation and your first 91 hearing finally that Mr. Hendrie had reccamended an evacuation of pregnant women and school children?
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What was your personal reaction to the 9
4 information that the NRC might be ordering an I
evacuation?
6 A
I was somewhat surprised because it did not 7
seem to us from the information we had that the 8
situation had deteriorated, so that I did not really 9
understand the basis for the recommendation.
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Did you consult your State liason 11 officer or your Emergency Planning officer on this 19 matter at that time?
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14 Q
Did you have any other involvement with 15 the question of recommendations for evacuation after 16 those discussions?
17 A
No,'I did n o t, 18 Q
What did you do on Friday afternoon, in 19 general terms?
- 0 Well, about the middle of the day on Friday,
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3 Q
From whom did you receive this information 4
concerning Mr. Denton's traveling to the site?
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That was Mr. Dudley Thompson from the I&E 6
Headquarters Staff.
7 Q
Is he also the person who directed that 0
either you or Mr. Alren go to the site?
9 A
Yes-.
10 Q
why did you decide to go yourself?
11 A
I felt it was my responsibility to go at that l'
time and direct the I&E effort from the site, and 13 leave Mr. Allen in charge here, so it was a personal 1E decision on my part to go.
15 Q
When did,you leave for the site?
16 A
We requested a helicopter which initially 17 would be here at -3 :4 0 o' clock, as I recall.
! think 18 we asked for it somewhat earlier, maybe as early 19 as 2:00 or 2:30; the initial information was that a0 the helicopter _would be here at 3:00; it was ot actually about 3:30 when it landed in the parking 90 lot here.
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Q When did you arrive?
3 A
It was about 4:30.
The helicopter stopped 4
enroute to refuel, so it was about an hour.
5 Q
where did you go when you arrived at 6
the site?
A The hel'icopter landed at the point' adjacent 8
to the observation center, and I proceeded to the 9
mobile laboratory, which at that time was our prin-10 cipal point of contact for I&E on the site.
I later 11 met with Harold Denton, and he had already arrived.
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I am not sure at the time, bdt I would 16 guess it would have been 6:00 o' clock, or something 1"'
like that.
13 Q
You were present at the meeting?
19 A
Yes.
'O Q
What was the purpose of that meeting?
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Well, it was sort of a general direction on s
no the part of Mr. Denton as to what we needed to do 1
to get the MRC personnel ali invo'ived and the direction.
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to handle the response.
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were at the site?
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Well, I' continued to principally direct and 8
coordinate the response or the activities of the 9
IsE people who were on-site. We were involved in 10 three areas.
we had reactor operations inspectors 11 who were involved in surveillance of licensee acci-12 vities in the control room; we had health physicists 13 who were involved in surveillance of activities in 14 the Health Physics area in the plants and we had 15 the environmental personnel who were involved in 16 coordnating.all.of the environmental activities, 17 so there were three;. principal activities that we 18 were involved in.
19 Now, we had, in addition to personnel
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by that ti=e we had a number of
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As I recall, no by the end of the day on Thursday,_frcm Region I
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doubled, so we had something on the order of 50-60 4
people on-site, I think, and I was involved in 5
setting up the organization, providing, of course, 6
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shift organizations and establishing the procedures O
for carrying out our "re spons ibilitie s.
9 Q
Did any other events occur on Friday 10 night that you considered to be significant?
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The principal thing, I guess, I was involved I
lo in, was in going with Mr. Denton to the Governor's
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the Governor, which occurred some time Friday 15 evenLng.
16 Q
Did you participate in the briefing of 17 the Governor?
A I was present.
The principal part of t'h e 19 briefing was handled by Mr. Denton.
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And you slso attended the press con-
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When did you leave the site on Friday?
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Did you have any involvement at all f
with the accident after leaving the site that night?
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No.
6 Q
Did you get back the the site the 7
following morning?
O A
Yes, Saturday m'orning.
9 Q
Approximately what time?
10 3
7,og go g,og o. clock, as I recall.
11 Q
Where did you report when you arrived lo at the site?
13 A
We had established a trailer for our operations.
14 Trailers had been set up on Friday evening, and 15 number,of trailers there, and the there were a 16 trailer which was used for
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adjacent to the ons which Mr. Denton and the IIRR
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During the course of Saturday, did you
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4 A
No.
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Q Were you aware on Saturday of attempts 6
that were ongoing to extend the erergency plannina 7
out ten or 20 miles around the area?
8 A
I'm not sure n6v when I became aware of that, whether it was Saturday or Sunday.
I attended a 10 meeting in Harrisburg, which I believe was not until 11 Sunday, at which time is the first recollection that 1"~
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13 20 miles.
14 Q
.That is your first recollection of the 15 whole issue being rai. sed?
16 A
20 miles, 'yes.
17 Q
Where was this meeting held?
13 A
It was held in the office of the Pennsylvania 19 Emergency Management Agency, PEMA.
"O Q
At what time was it held?
21 A
I would guess 5:00 o' clock in the afternoon.
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Deal, who headed up DOE's activities. There were, 4
perhaps, another three or four DOE representatives,
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recall.
There were State representatives.
Gerusky I
was there from the Bureau of Radiological Fealth.
8 There were representatives from PEMA.
Colonel 9
Hendarson was in and out, as I recall.
He was not 10 present during the entire meeting, but he was there 11 for part of the meeting.
There were probably ten l'"
or twelve people there in total.
13 Q
Were there any representatives from the I
Governor's Office or the Lieutenant Governor's Office?
16 A
Not that I. recall.
1 Q
Do you _ recall if there were any repre-18 sentatives there from Dauphin County or other oute 19 lying area 2?
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I couldn't say.
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Does the name Kevin Molloy refresh your.
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No, it doesn't.
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Do you reme=ber who called the meetin??
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My understanding was DOE had recuested it.
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How that came about, I am not sure, but my under-3 standing was:that DOE had responsibility for any 4
relocation of NRC personnel if we had had to relocate 5
from our site at the observation center, so that was 6
part of the matter that was discussed; what part of 7
the evaluation would be handled by DOE.
8 Q
Was there' discussion at the meeting 9
with respect to extensive planning?
10 A
No, not; only to the extent that consideration 11 out to 20 miles should be given. There were no de-12 tails of planning discussed, but only the suggestion 13 that that needed to be considered.
14 Q
Do you remember who chaired the meeting, 15 if anyone?
16 A
Well, as I indicated, I think Joe Deal was 17 or, 'ad least.one of the principal principal 18 spokesmen for DCE.
There was another DCE person, 19 whose name I have not been able to recall, who 20 was involved particularly in terms of evacuation 21
. planning.
Joe Deal was there on a continuing basis
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in terms of any planning for evacuation, not only 3
NRC, but the other Federal activities.
4 Q
I am not totally clear myself on thea b
5 purpose for the meeting.
6 Is it accurate to say that the purpose 7
of the meeting was to inform the other ? Federal 0
Agencies that were on-site at Three Mile Island 9
as to what steps they should take if the situation 10 deteriorated: is that an accurate statement?
11 A
I think, well, this was the first time that 10 I personally became aware that we needed to plan
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Now, of course, all 14 Federal Agencies were not represented at that meet-ing.
It was principally DOS, NRC, and the State.
16 It was to make the State aware, I think, of what 17 planning was g61ng.on as far as DOE was concerned 18 in terms of the possibility of having to relocate 19 NRC-DOE activities, if that became necessary, and
'O what wculd be done if that became necessary.
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meetings or a number o f meetings among these parties 3
on these questions?
4 A
There were not any other meetings quite of 5
this nature that I recall.
6 subsequently, and I think that was 7
probably on Monday, there were meetings of all 0
Federal Agencies involved, representatives from 9
DCPA, I guess, and Mr. Adamcik is the individual 10 that I have in mind.
I guess he was the senior 11 individual involved as far as DCPA goes, and he had 10 regular meetings, I believe, starring on Monday in 13 terms of coordinating all Federal activity.
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Did the NRC personnel ever have any meetings 2
3 just of their own people with respect to emergency 4
planning?
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In terms of this particular -- you mean, of what A
6 we would do?
7 Q
That is correct.
O A
No, I don't recall that there was any meeting 9
on that subject, not that I attended.
10 Q
Did you have any further involvement 11 beyond what you just stated with respect to contingency 10 planning?
13 A
There are two things I might mention:
one, there 14 was an effort to develop the contingency plan for NRC, 15 which was carried out by Dale Donaldson and someone 16 who was at the site at tha t time ;
and secondly, there was a representative.under my direction who attended 18 these regular meetings that the DCPA had.
Onis was 19 Mr. Genroy, who is deputy director in Region III, who "O
was assigned to the site as part of the ILE effort,
'l and I assigned him the responsibility of being NRC s
representative to those mee tings.
"3 Q
Did you have any othar involvement with
'4 the whole area of contingency planning in case matters would deteriorate?
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A I believe that is the extent of it.
3 Q
Were you aware at any time on saturday or 4
any other time of any possible sabotage threat?
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I have some recollection that we received 6
information some way that there was going to be an 7
effort at s a v o't a g e.
I don't recall now precisely 8
how the information came, but at some time, and my 9
impression was that it was in this time frames I did 10 contact the ?.3.I.
and informed them of this informa-11 tion we had.
12 Q
Would this have been Saturday evening?
13 A
I think so, but I guess I have a little difficulty 14 in placing times on all of these things right now.
15 Q
co you recall whom you contacted at the 16 F.B.I.
on this?
17 A
I called the. Ph,iladelphia office because I had 13 the telephone number for that office and talked to the 19 agent on duty.
20 Q
old you have an impression at that point 21 as to how any sabotage attempt might be carried out 22 or any details?
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no.
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believe, people in the Harrisburg area of the informa-4 tien that they had; that is the only thing I recall.
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Did you have any involvement with this 6
question of possible sabotage beyond hearing of it 7
and calling the F.B.I.?
8 A
The other thing..that was done was to assura that 9
people at the site were aware; Pennsylvania state m
10 police were on-site, and they were made aware of the 11 information we had, and the licensee's security people, 12 as I recall.
13 Q
Did you or someone at your direction make 14 the Pennsylvania state police and the licensee's 15 security personnel aware'of this?
16 A
Yes.
There.were two individuals in the ISE 17 group from our Physic,al Security Section that I had 13 been_using in a numbe r of dif f erent areas.
They had 19 been on-site when I arrived on Friday, and actually, 20 they had gone to deliver some equipment to the site, 21 and I directed them to remain on-site, so they had nn been really involved in administrative functions in 23 terms of setting up the trailer, telephone co=munica,'
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were informed, and they, in turn, were directed to 4
inform the state police and the licensee's security 5
personnel.
6 Q
who were these persons?
7 A
Mike Rogers and Bill Madden.
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And they are Region I personnel?
9 A
Yes.
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Did you ever hear any word as to the 11 response or the reaction of the Pennsylvania state l'-
police or the licensee's security to this new 13 information?
14 A
No, I don't remember anything.
15 Q
Do you remember any concern at that time 16 with respect to the President's visit that had been i
17 scheduled for Sunday. in relationship to this sabotage?
A No, not in relationship to that; I didn't connect 1
19 that at all.
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Did you have any reason to form an opinion
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My impression at the time was that it was a hoax.
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can you recall the names of any other persons
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5 possible sabotage threat?
6 A
I believe we informed headquarters of the 7
information, the group in the I&E headquarters staff, 8
the Safeguards Division, under Mr. Howard I don't 9
recall now whether Mr. Howard was in formed directly 10 or the members of his group, but it is my recollection 11 that they were made aware of the threat.
12 Q
Was PEMA also made aware of the threat, 13 to your recollection?
14 A
Not directly, that I an aware of, although my 15 impression is that the state police would have 16 informed PEMA, but,I can't confirm that.
'17 Q
Did any o,ther events occur on Saturday 18 which we have not yet mentioned that you would like 19 to bring up?
n0 A
I don't think of any, no.
oI Q
Let us move on to Sunday.
Whar happened oo on Sunday that was of significance, to your thinking?
23 A
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Yes, I was involved in terms of. briefing Mr. Denton, 4
preparing him for his briefing in terms of environmental ~
5 radiological information that we had, the current 6
status, and I attended his briefing of the President 7
at the Harrisburg Airport, accompanying Mr. Denton at 8
that briefing.
9 Q
Did you participate in the briefing at 10 any time?
11 A
No, I was simply present.
12 Q
Did any other events occur on Sunday in 13 which you stepped out of your role as coordinating 14 authority for Region I at the Jite?
15 A
The only other event that comes to mind, and 16 I am not sure whethe r Saturday or Sunday, but again, 17 I accompani d Mr.,Denton at a press conference which 18 was held in Middletown, and that may have been Saturday 19 afternoon.
It was the press conference at which the 20 question of the hydrogen bubble particularly was the 21 issue, so that is che o ther event in this time frame L
02 where I was really not involved in coordinating the 23 I&E activities; whether that'was s'acurday or Sunday, 24 I am not sure at this point.
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when did you finally leave Three Mile S ENJ AMIN R EFC RTt N G S ERvlC E
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week in April, went back again for the next week; I 0
5 cane home for the weekend and went back for the next 6
week.
I then was back for a few days, and then I 7
think I went b'ack for another week, so I am not sure 8
now exactly of the time, but I was there on the order 9
of some three weeks with some breaks in between.
10 Q
During that three-week period, were there 11 any events that occurred that you considered of note 12 or significance that you would like to bring up?
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well, I don't think anything particulars things 14 continued.
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what steps has Region I taken to change its 16 operations because. of the accident at Three Mile Island, j
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We ll, I have already indicated some of the things 19 we have done in the area of duty officer, improved com-i
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.o3 need to make: that has to be done.
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with the I&E investigation which has been going on 7
since that time.
Mr. Allen had been in direct charge 8
of that, and we have had some people involved and 9
have been involved to a great extent in terms of 10 admihistrative support to that activity.
11 We have been involved in other areas which I 12 would describe as being a fallout from the Three Mile 13 Island incident in terms of inspections at other reactor 14 facilities.
The Isz bulletins which were dispatched 15 to all facilities after the Three Mile Island event e
16 had required exten,sive inspections and followup at 17 other sites, so th,is has really taken our resources to 18 a great extent.
We have not had full opportunity to 19 evaluate and make the changes that we need to make.
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When do you expect that you will be able
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I don't see auch hope before that.
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It is going to take months and maybe as much as 4
a year before we can really make all of the changes b
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of course, we have a number of 6
investigations and studies going on that are going to I
result in reco'mmendations that we will have to carry 8
out.
I&E has i ts own --special review group that is 9
looking at things in terms of our emergency response 10 for IsE and the regions and headquarters, the inspec-11 tion progpram, what changes need to be made there, so 12 that effort is currently going on.
13 we have people involved in that from here.
They 14 set a ten-week target for completing that.
I would 15 anticipate that will have direct impact on what we do 16 that should be completed sometime near the end of II September, I b e li ev e,,, o r early October, so I don't hold 13 much hope for really making all the changes and-getting 19 them in place for several months.
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can you highlight for us quickly some of 21 the major changes that you think will be appropriate?
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types.
I envision one group will be pressurized water 4
reactor support, and the other section will be boiling C-5 water reactor support, and assigning them responsibility 6
for in-depth rev.iewc of licensee event reports, for 7
full understanding of the particular reactor systems, 8
and then in-depth understanding in those areas.
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think we have not been organised to provide the real 10 technical supportin those areas that we need.
11 We need to do more in terms of better coordina-12 tion be tween reactor opera tions and the health physics 13 or radiation protection areas; particularly, I think 14 we need to, and this has to do with our emergency 15 planning in terms of integrated response of operations 16 and health physics.: we can't leave emergency planning II just to the emergency. planners.
IS As I indicated, we need to look at our emergency 19 response plan here, in terms of revising that.
I think 20 we need -- this is bigger than the region, but we need
'l to look at having better com=unications capability, oo
=obile communications capability, in terms of being
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No, I don't think so.
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