ML19338B804
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| Site: | Crane  |
| Issue date: | 07/23/1979 |
| From: | Faust C, Gldfrank J, Rockwell W METROPOLITAN EDISON CO., PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ACCIDENT AT THREE MILE |
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_______________________________________x PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE
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ACCIDENT AT THREE MILE ISLAND
x CONTINUED DEPOSITION of METROPOLITAN EDISON COMPANY by CRAIG C.
FAUST, held at the Three Mile Island Nuclear Generating Station, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on the 23rd day of July 1979, commencing at 4:35 p.m.
before Stanley Rudbarg, Certified Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public;of the State of New York.
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BENJAMIN REPORTING SERVICE CERTIFIED SilORTilAND REPORTERS FIVE IIEEKM AN MTILElfr NEW YOltK.NEW YOltK 10038 k
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4 SHAW, PITTMAN, POTTS & TROWBRIDGE, ESQS.
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5 Attorneys for Metropolitan Edison Company 1800 M Street, NW 6
Washington, D.C.
7 BY:
ALAN R.
YUSPER, ESQ.
of Counsel 8
9 PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THREE MILE ISLAND:
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10 11 WINTHROP ROCKWELL, ESQ.
Associate Chief Counsel 12 U
JOAN GOLDFRANK, ESQ.
Associate Counsel 14 15 ALSO PRESENT:
16 ngs rgw 17 CLAUDIA A. VELLETRI 18 oon i
19 (Documents described below were marked f
20 Faust Depotition Exhibits 10 through 13, 21 respectively, for identification, this date.)'
I 22 CRAIG C.
FAU ST having been previously i
23 duly sworn, was recalled as a witness and 24 testified further as follows:
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DIRECT EXAMINATION (Continued) 3 BY MS. GOLDFRANKs 4
Q You are still under oath.
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Yes.
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To make it easier for us to get through 7
with this deposition and for the court reporter to take 8
it down, I should wait entil you have finished making a 9
statement, and you should wait until I have finished 10 asking a question, okay?
11 A
Okay.
12 Q
You brought with you certain daily logs 13 that are completed on your routine shift as a control 14 room operator.
We have marked these as Faust Deposition 15 Exhibit 10, which is the Unit 2 Surveillance Procedure i
16 2301-s1, called" shift and Daily c'aecks," correct?
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correct.
18 Q
This is the shift and daily checks that 1
19 contained in the tech specs, is that correct?
are 20 A
This is what is required of tech specs, put in a l
2I procedure form, so that we can perform it easily, so
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22 that we meet the tech specs.
1 23 Q
These are operating procedures that have 24 been drafted and reviewed and approved and written 25 pursuant to the tech specs?
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A Correct.
3 Q
And who would have drafted these procedures?
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I am not sure I can answer the specific person l(
5 or group of people.- This is just a form that is made I
6 through the Engineering.
In other words, it is 7
through our PORC and what not, to allow us to perform 8
our job easier, instead of going -- it is hard to try l
9 to memorize tech specs, a total book, so this is what 10 this is doing, the things that are required on a f
11 routine basis, like every 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> or 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br />, or 12 whatever the case may be, the work that needs to be 13 done <ith that frequency is in this set of procedure.
14 That will keep us within the tech spec requirement.
15 There are longer ones, but they are scheduled 16 through our maintenance and regular surveillance i
17 procedures we perform.
This is per the tech spec, 18 ag in, the ones that are monthly, quarterly, semiannually 19 or annually that are done.
These are just the ones 20 that are required daily, more for a daily period of 2I time or hourly, depending on what it is.
22 Q
You indicated that a group would have 23 drafted these procedures.
Is that a formal committee
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Yes, I would call it formal.
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Q And what would that committee be called?
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Procedure Operational Review Committee, I be-4 lieve, is what it is calle6 PORC.
5 Q
Is that Plant Operations Review Committee?
6 A
Probably.
7 Q
And would they have initially drafted the 8
procedures or is their function really to review the 9
procedures?
10 A
They review.
One of their functions is to review 11 the procedures. I don'tiknow for sure if they got in f
12 on some of the initial putting together of the pro-13 cedures.
Operations, I know, did get involved in 14 operating procedures, but it would got to the committee 15 to be reviewed, to make sure that it covers what it was i
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When you say " Operations" --
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Just like I, myself, might start putting together
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20 a procedure on a system, and I would use whatever data 21 I have available to me, text manuals and just operating 22 experience at Unit 1.
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23 how far it goes along, to give me an outline on it.
24 I would put this'together and submit it to the
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who would also go through the PORC Review Committee to 3
make sure that it covered everything that it was sup-4 posed to cover.
5 Q
old you'specifically have any input into 6
the Shift and Daily Check procedures?
7 A
I myself, just in order -- for the most pr.rt just 8
to make it easier to through it -- but as far as what 9
wa.s in it, it was already stated as tech spec require-10 ments are.
In other words, whatever is in the tech 11 spec that needs to be covered tells us what was going 12 to be in there.
13 Q
So you did not have any input into the 14 actual substance of the Shift and Daily Checks?
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But merr,1y the order in which they were 17 taken, is that corueet?
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,A Yes, just to make it easier in doing them.
19 Q
This Shif t and Daily Check procedure that 20 you provided us is Revision 15, dated March 14, 1979, 21 correct?
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Correct.
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Q would that be the last date that a revision
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there are still revisions coming out.
You have one of 3
the most recent ones right now.
The changes that are 4
implemented into the procedures, depending on the 5
conditions of the plant.
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6 Q
And that means that since March 28, 1979, 7
there have been revisions made to these Shift-and 8
Daily checks, correct?
9 A
Since March 28, I would have to look and find 10 out if there is one since that time.
In other words, 11 after that time that is what you are asking?
12 Q
Well, this is dated March 14, 1979.
13 A
Yes.
14 Q
So that March 14, 1979 would be the last 15 date that you know of that there would be a change 16 made to this?
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You would have to look on the specific page to 18 de5 ermine what the last revision for that page was.
19' Q
So that this cover sheet does not mean that l
20 this is the last date that a revision was made?
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The cover shee t will have on it the revision I{
22 dates that were made and pages, and the most updated k
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The last 24
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That would indicate 25 to go to that page.
It looks like that.
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the page, and it will give you the most recent 3
revision made in the procedure on that particular page.
4 I guess maybe 14 is the most recent one.
5 Q
so that the most recent revision to this
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A correct.
That is the way it looks, yes.
8 Q
Do you know if there have been procedure 9
changes since March?
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No, I don't know offhand on this.
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11 being changed to fit the status of the plant, but I 12 don't know that that has been implemented.
It'doesn't 13 enem to have been, as far as I can see right now.
14 Q
And as you stated, these are procedures 15 that you would undertake at the time you were on shift 16 in the control room, correct?
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Correct.
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And'did they contain a log that you would 19 check off that you had performed each check?
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This whole procedure is the log.
21 Q
So you are provided with forms that you
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23 check?
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A We will take the master copy and Xerox off a form 25 for that shift and perform it and send it in to our BENJAMIN R EPORTING S ERVICE i
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surveillance organization that checks it over for 3
accuracy to make sure everything is done.
They will 4
then file it.
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You will find the most recent copies of this 7
It goes through this chain, back up in 8
the control room, in the cabinet for tech spec 9
surveillance because it has the most recent copies 10 that would be on hand because they are the ones that 11 tell the conditions of the plent.
12 Q
And is Enclosure 1 the form that you 13 complete?
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That is just one section.
There are four 15 enclosures that go in this one.
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And you would complete all four enclosures?
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Right.
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Right.
20 Q
And would you yourself do that, or would 21 you supervise people doing it?
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I myself would do most of it.
Some of the data 23 is out in the plant, which I might have an auxiliary l
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in other words, things that I couldn't get in the 2
control room are put down on a separate log, for the 4
auxiliary operator to go down and write the values in 5
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.he sees'and bring them back to me.
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And once you have completed this, you 7
initial it that you have performed this check and the 8
time on the form?
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res.
10 Q
And who approves it?
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.The shift foreman approves it.
12 Q
And does he review the forms?
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yes.
14 Q
Do you know what his review consists of?
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Just to look over and u.ake sure that we have 16 done each step required and to make sure it h'as been 17 done.
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From that point, it is sent to the surveillance 20 personnel.
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Which is who?
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I don't know who it is right now.
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24 Q
who would it have been prior to March 28?
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The person I can think of would be Marshall.
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Q What is the relation of that organization 3
with these forms?
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I think you had better ask them.
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I know they review them.
That is their job
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no you ever get feedback from them?
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Yes.
9 Q
what kind of feedback do you get?
10 A
Depending on if one of the major things -- if Il something wasn't applicable on the form, we might write 12 in and just eliminate the form.
They don't want 13 us to do that because it didn't fit the mode we were 14 in.
Each of them talks about modes you have to be in.-
15 This is just a minor point.
16 They wanted to have us fill in "NA'S" f ar as 17 just writing anything on the form and completing the 18 form like that, instead of leaving it blank.:
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Q What does Applicable Modes 1,
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and 6 mean?
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These are modes of the plant.
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6 Mode 2 would be startup mode in the plant.
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a hot shutdown.
No. 4 is hot standby.
No. 5 is cold 8
shutdown and No. 6 is refueling.
9 Q
And did the surveillance group or did 10 Mr. Marshall ever send these forms back to you for any 11 reason besides indicating to you what you should fill 12 in where the referred to spec was not applicable,"NA,"
13 where it was not applicable to the mode it was in?
14 A
Not to me personally, no.
I have had on6 sent 15 back where I had forgotten to send back the data sheet.
l 16 I forgot to attach it to the p roce dure.
I filled it in i
17 and laid it down on the desk, and the foreman just 18
,mi sed it when he sent it out, and he requested that 19 data sheet.
It came back to me and I sent it out.
20 Q
so you cannot recall another instance where 21 he sent it back except where you had inadvertently 2
forgotten to' attach a sheet?
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Not personally.
Usually anything sent back was 24
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2.2 clarification aside completing this blank, whether it 3
be with "NA" or otherwise?
A Not right off, no.
5 Q
It appears after the enclosures?-
6 A
That is part of the enclosure.
7 Q
This graph is part of an enclosure?
8 A
Yes.
What that is doing is setting rod index 9
limi ts. mi:We operate with the rod in a certain area of 10 the core, due to safety considerations, available shut-11 down margin and flux considerations and flux patterns 12 th ro ughout th-core.
13 What these graphs are showing you here are rod 14 bands that we would be required to stay within at 15 certain powers.
The power levelsiin the core are going 16 up and down.
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Are all the rest of these appendices?
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The appendices are just when something isn't as i
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it is supposed to be in the tech specs.
These are 20 additional things that we have to monitor to insure that 21 you use the requirement of the tech specs.
((.,1 22 In other words, that is what I was saying, is they 23 would be referenced.
If you were outside tech specs --
24 the specific area that would really be into them would 25 be on the event, describe an event, and the event exists.
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It might reference you to the tech s p e c,- itself, or a 3
procedure number that they would perform until the 4
condition was corrected.
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to a tech spec.
If you are out, it talks about tech 7
spec action number.
Then you would refer to this page l
8 in the tech specs to find out more about it and what 9
required if you weren't within the range that you was e
10 were supposed to be.
over here it gives you limits 11 that you are supposed to be within.
12 Q
So that in each item you would daily ~ check 13 on the actual checklist, there is a space in which you 14 mark the actual measurements, but next to it, to the 15 right, there is the tech spec requirement?
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The range of which you are supposed to be in for 17 tech specs.
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If in your check'you were not in that range, 10 it would key you in?
20 This would key me into the tech spec.
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And would you then complete a form for that 24 follow-up action?
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just, I mean, get it back in the range within a given 3
period of time.
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For which particular items that you check t
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well, to give you an example here.
It says boron 8
reduction in RCS~ after completely cooling system.
9 out here, I would come out here and say, "Yes, there is 10 a boron reduction in RCS."
11 If I went to this procedure, Appendix H, I slip ~
12 back to Appendix H back here and perform whatever it 13 tells me to do.
14 In this case Appendix H tells me that you have 15 logged the time that you began reduction in boron, and 16 you log it on your graph.
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17 If you are less than 28 GPM, you are checking for 18 f1Aw in the RCS during this reduction, that is what you 19, are mainly checking for.
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that you have indicated that you merely, if they do not 3
fall within the range, you merely go back to the tech 4
spec and determine what co rre ctive action you should 5
take.
other items that are not within that range you 6
then must complete a further form attached, as appendix 7
to this operating procedure.
what is the distinction I
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fill a further log on?
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what this is that these attachments are actually 11 requirements.
If you went to the tech spec, it would 12 tell you to do what you are doing right here.
U It is just that these are convenient on the data 14 sheet.
We' will do deborating in the plant, and when-15 ever we do deborate, one of the things you have to do i
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17 and that shows us how to do this.
18 So that is convenient to the data sheet or our 19 shifts and dailies.
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23 here -- some of these things would reference you to 24 where you would have to go back to tech specs and look
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It says right there, "Related to tech spec item."
3 Down here it doesn't have one for RPS channel inopera-4 tive.
You don't have a reference on the back, so what 5
you will end ifp *doing is to go to the tech spec.
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will have to shut down.
The reactor protective system 9
is what that represents.
10 Q
Who would make the decision as to whether 11 or not you should go directly to the te ch spec and do 12 that?
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well, the operator would be able to make a-deci-14 sion because it is labelled right there.
Q I understand that, e x t...s t who would make 15 16 the decision as to whether or not you go?
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whether to use the procedure in the back.?
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No.
Let me finish my question.
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24 certain instances attach an appendix?
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something from the tech spec.
It is not.
This is a 3
requirement of the tech spec, if you are outside of a 4
given range, and the data sheets are just provided, in
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and the data in this appendix is required whenever boron 10 reduction in the RCS system is being made.
11 Q
Therefore, every time there is an appendix 12 would.be required by
- a. tech spec?
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Right.
14 Q
Is that correct?
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Yes, it is.
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So the tech spec provides whether or not a
17 specific appendix should be attached?
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Q we have marked as Faust Deposition Exhibit 11 19
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20 the control room operator's log sheet, which is logged 21 daily and the shift foreman reviews and returns to the 22 OPS engineer.
Can you look at this,cplesse?
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And the shift foreman would review this 5
upon completion?-
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Yes.
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And it then is returned to OPS. engineer?
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Yes.
9 Q
What does " OPS" represent?
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Operations engineer.
Who would' that be?
Is that one particular 11 Q
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It would have been.
I think it is George Kunder 14 or was.
15 Q
This is prior to March 267 16 A
Unit 2 OPS engineer, I believe.
17 Q
That would be George Kunder?
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I believe.
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And you complete one of these for each shift?
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Yes.
Well, this is the three shifts.
In other 21 words, I just fill out on the 11:00 to 7:00, under that l
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shift so he can review it.
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no you sign off on this?
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Yes, in the back.
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You *ould put the CRO signature for the
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And then the shift foreman.'would approve, I
9 review your surveillance?
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Yes.
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Has he eve r gotten back to you as to your 12 completion of this log?
13 A
Yes.
14 Q
What kind of feedback?
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I might have missed a reading.
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Would there be any reason why he would get.
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I might not have signed it off.
19 Q
Any other reason?
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If something was higher in pressure and tempera-21 ture than he thought it should have been, he might ask
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23 Q
And would he come to you while you were 24 still on shift?
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Yes, he reviews it right there on shift.
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Q And if there were indications of, temperature 0
or pressure that he thought were abnormal, he would come 9
to you and ask you to pursue or continue to survey 10 I
those temperatures and pressures?
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He would usually get an 13 way or correct it.
Q So he wouldn't specifically come to inquire 14 15 and maybe direct you to do something with respect to a 16 particular reading?
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Yes.
Is this control room operator's log sheet,
,De osition Exhibit 11, also required by tech specs?
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Not th at I know of.
It is not required by tech 20 specs.
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23 anything to put together parameters that should be 24 looked at or we felt should be looked at on the plant.
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looking at on this.
The same people were involved in 5
making that one too.
It is something that the operators
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where it is supposed to be pressure and temperature -
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10 Q
When you refer to operations having drafted j
11 it, you mean the control room operators?
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The control room operators have an input into it, i
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As far as usually, once again order an ease emergency final de t e rmin a tion on what is going to be on 14 15 the log, usually it is the foreman.
16 Q
Do you know who would have reviewed this 17 log sheet?
,A The operator OPS engineer, I believe.
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I believe -- no, I don't.
That I don't know.
Q Did you have any input into drafting this?
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As f ar as the order of it.
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3 due to stages of the plant that we were in, in construc-4 tion, certain readings applied at that time, and at 1
5 other times they didn't.
As it progressed, we would 6
request for them to be eliminated or we would say that-7 we should be looking at this and we would then get that 8
put on.
9 Q
Who would you initiate this action to?
10 A
Through the f o re man.
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And had there been any time when you 12 thought suggestions should be made that were not 13 accepted?
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Yes.
I can't remember offhand.
I just remember 15 that we might have.
It usually was to reduce the number 16 of things from an operational point of view that we were logging that was being taken on a strip chart 17 18 re'iorder or some form like that, and we just didn't 19 think it was necessary to monitor because it was t
20 already being logged down.
21 Q
Do you remember a specific example?
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This one here (indicating), we are trying to get 23 rid of that.
24 Q
The witness is re ferred to Faust Deposition
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you could think of it the same as that because it 3
is the secondary parameters, so to speak that we were 4
monitoring.
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This is on generators.
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And this Exhibit 13?
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This is main turbine generator in the plant.
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Deposition 13 is on the generator?
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Right.
These temperatures are recorded on the 14 strip chart recorder, as well as they can be read out 15 on the computer.
That is why we just didn't feel it 16 needed to write them down.
was 17 Q
so you were writing down data for each shift 18,..th at was in fo rmation also contained on the computer?
19 A
Right.
20 Q
And you felt your performing that task was i
21 duplicative of the information contained on the computer?
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Right, on the strip chart recorder -. two e
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Part of that was on the computer and the other 23 24 part was on the strip chart recorder.
25 Q
what is a strip chart recorder?
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paper, a roll of paper at various points, and it is a t
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And did the foremen explain to you why j
7 they rejected your suggestion as to no longer making 8
this recording on this log sheet?
9 A
The best answer I can give to that is they wanted i
10 this on the log sheet.
11 Q
Did they explain it to you?
12 A
Yes, but I can't remembe r the words that he used.
13 It came across to me that they wanted us to take it.
14 Q
Do you remember gene rally the reason why?
15 A
I believe, my own personal feeling it was a 16 convenience to them.
17 Q
It was more convenient for them to have you 18 lohit in my hand?
19' A
Right, than to go over and look at it, have a j
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d 23 Q
What has been marked as Faust Deposition j
Exhibit 12 is i daily log sheet.
Would you explain to
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A All this date sheet is is a record of how much l
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This 4
is for the dispatchers mainly.
It is a record of what (T' '
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the main generator and off our auxilliary transformers, 7
rather, main transformer, as to what is being taken out 8
and what are our in-house usage.
At midnight this is 9
totalled up, and the information is given to the 10 dispatcher for his use.
11 Q
Who is the dispatcher here, how would you 12 describe him?
13 MR. YUSPEH:
You mean who is the individual 14 who is the dispatcher?
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The position.
I 16 A
The position I don't know if I can give you a 17 definition of the job.
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Not totally, no.
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Some of them?
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,Just regulating the output of the unit, of the h."'
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And why would he be provided with this sheet?
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generating.
You see, they have a readout here.
What 3
this actually is is like a double check.
They have 4
their readout what they keep track of, and we always
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It is like a dual check on what is being
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7 Q
off of what instruments would you get this 8
information?
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Kilowatt hour meters behind the panels.
These 10 if I took you up by the panel and you faced the are
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13 Q
Are these calculations required for you to 14 perform on this log sheet?
15 A
Just summing up, addition, subtraction.
It is a 16 matter of just going behind and reading off the meter, 17 and then every six hours you do a check on it to make I0 sir'e that it balances out the PD meter with the kilo-19 watt meter readings.
20 Q
On the back of this station daily log sheet 21 there are listed causes and cause codes.
Can you
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I never really used them myself.
I never had to I
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Do you know why they are there?
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A It is an indication of a problem in the system.
3 Q
And where would you utilize those if you 4
needed to?
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I believe it would be a numbe r we would give the 6
dispatcher, so he would be able to put down reasons why 7
generation was either down, due to a problem with the 8
transformer, itself, or otherwise.
I just never had to 9
give him one.
I imagine he has a copy of this, and it 10 might be he never just asked us for one.
11 Q
So you have never utilized those codes on 12 the front part of this?
13 A
No.
We would write it'over here, but I never got 14 involved in using one of the codes.
I had not seen the 15 codes used.
16 Q
But there have been times you completed this 17 log sheet with some of these causes, as identified 18,on the back of the sheet, were in existence?
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correct, yes.
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But you never completed the front part of 21 the log sheet that indicates "cause codes"?
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I am not sure how much it applies to the 6
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Q when you say you are not sure how much it 3
applies in the situation, you mean you are not sure 4
how it applies to the dispatcher's concerns, correct?
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not getting anything?
10 A
It doesn't mean anything to him, really.
11 Q
With respect to the logs and the shift 12 and daily checks that you perform, are all'the forms 13 completed by you daily as contained in Deposition I
I4 Exhibits 10, 11, 12 and 137 15 A
Wi.th the exception of surveillance items.
16 Q
But those would be items that would not 17 necessarily be done daily but would be done weekly, monthly?
18 19 A
weekly, monthly, yes.
On those surveillance items.
20 The only other thing I haven't brough down is, like 2I I said, the operator who is performing these tasks is
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Just as a safety-related type thing, if you 4
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don't want to be operated, you would red-tag.out 6
instance, it is just a red tag, some forms in the 7
industry, that people aren't supposed to operate it.
8 We don't operate it.
Or blue tags.
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10 Q
And there is a whole separate set of Logs 11 with respect to information that you go t*4 rough during 12 each shift concerning instruments that are -checked?
13 A
Wait a minute.
I don't want to give you the i
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This is -- somebody would come in 15 and request it that is on our tagging request -- to 16 tag out a piece of equipment that maybe he was going 17 to work on or the form would say, "We want to tag that 18 pun for one reason or another."
Either it is mal-19 functioning or whatever his reasons might be'
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so each shift that you would come on, you
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whatever reason?
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There is a log, switching and tagging log of 9
equipment that is tagged out, yes.
10 Q
And you would go through that prior to each i
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12 A
Not necessarily.
If something affected the plant 13 operation, which it would be noted to the control room 14 operator.that has the panel as to how it affects him 15 in the plant.
That would be either written down in 16 his log, or he reads it over the log from when h'e has 17 it last, okay, to the point of the operator relieving 18 hem would tell'him, "Okay, the service air comprossor
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20 Q
so you would not go to the switching and 21 tagging log each shift?
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on the panel identifying the problem?
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It is placed on any of the 4
remote controls that might be in the control room,
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as well as additional tags -- in other words, this 6
could amount to tagging out a whole system.
You I
7 would go out into the plant, and you would find 8
tags hanging on individual valves, controllers, 9
electrical switchgear that is supplying it, tagging 10 out of that portion, so that whatever happened, 11 that piece of equipment is not to be disturbed.
12 MR. YUSPEH:
So if something is tagged out, l
a physical inspection of the system or the remote 13 I
14 control will readily reveal it is tagged outs is 15 t h.a t correct?
16 THE WITNESS:
If it has a control in the 17 control room.
There are things that aren't in i
18 the contr'ol room that we can't see from the 19 control.
That is why I am saying if it affected 20 plant operation where it would inhibit us from 21 a mode or something like that, it would be noted kc.,I j
22 to the CRO as well as the form would also note it.
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sut there is no check done on each shift 24
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that shift has been tagged?
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There is no check done in the switching and tagging 4
book.
There is a check in the sense that I was telling
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A.. each -hift, there is a check?
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turnover is conducted, what is written in the log --
9 in other words, if a piece of equipment is taken out, 10 it is logged down in the CRO's log.
The erator coming 11 on has essentially three sources of info tion on the 12 plant status.
One, he reads the log from the last i
13 time he had the shift.
The other would be his verbal 14 turnover from his relief or the man he is relieving, 15 and another one would be that man relieving him writes 16 down a turnover sheet of things that happened or were 17 performed either during his shift or shifts prior that 18 we f e e l should be noted to the CRO, you know, something 19' that he should know about right away or is required 20 of him to do.
21 Q
Which CRO reviews that log?
22 A
Each CRO who takes the shift reviews it.
I am 23 talking about reviewing it from the last time he had it.
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had the shift to see if..ny changes occurred that were 3
major in the shifts.
4 Q
But there are two CROs on shift each time, 5
correct?
6 A
Right.
7 Q
And I think, as you explained it to me 8
yesterday, one is on the panel, and one is on the 9
switching and tagging, correct?
10 A
Yes.
11 Q
Which CRO would review that line?
12 A
The CRO on the panel.
'He is the one, the CRO 13 on the panel is the one that is involved with the I
14 immediate plant.
A CRO on the switching and tagging 15 takes care of the paperwork.
He does the paperwork.
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Are you a CRO on'the panel one night and 17 switching and tagging the next night?
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You would alternate?
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Yes.
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It is reviewed -- I would have to look up the
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That is a 3
surveillance, too, that calls it to his attention.
4 Q
Is there a requirement how frequently the
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6 A
No.
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How frequently do you review it when you 8
are a switching and tagging CRO?
9 A
I don't review it.
I don't see a need to review 10 the switching and tagging log itself.
11 Q
So the only individual who would review i
12 that is the shift foreman?
13 A
At this time, I don't know.
I c u. *t remember if 14 the supervisor gets in on it, too.
I don't believe so.
15 I think it is the shift foreman who actually audits the 16 book.
17 Q
And it is not within the responsibilities 10 of"the CRO to review that log?
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Do you have any responsibilities as a 21 control room operator outside of controlling the plant?
22 A
What do you mean?
State that again.
23 MR. YUSPEn:
Do you have any responsibilities 24 other than being physically present in the control 25 room, or outside of your job, takes you outside j
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in the operation of the plant?
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THE WITNESS:
I am not sure I fully 4
understand your question.
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Let we see if I can rephrase it.
6 when you are in the control room as the control i
7 room operator, and your responsibilities would be the t
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than the surveillance procedure and the other control 10 room operator log sheets that you fill out, and respon-11 sibilities of controlling the plant from the control f
room, if the control room operator gave you instructions, 12 13 would you have any other responsibilities?
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If I understand you right, I would say that l
15 depends..
16 Q
what would it depend on?
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It depends on whether-- in other words, would I i
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Or would you have any other responsibilities 22 in the control room?
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whole plant, not just the control room.
That involves 3
what is out there.
The auxiliary operators normally 4
perform the functions outside the control room, under 5
the direction of* either the foreman or the foreman
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operator what is to be done, "We want this done."
8 If a condition comes up, and it has, CROs have left 9
the control room to do functions 7.in the plant.
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ooes an auxiliary operator only take instruc-l 11 tions from a control room operator?
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No.
He takes instructions from either the
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That is 16 the standard rule so the CRO knows what is going on 17 with his
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But there have been certain times --
19 A
Sometimes it doesn't.
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that directions would come directly from k _
21 the shift foreman or shift supervisor?
22 A
Depending on the condition, yes.
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what conditions would they not go through 24 the control room operator?
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with the auxiliary operator or tell him he wants him to do something.
Q Would he then report back to the control 4
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That depends on the operator.
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an a ma datory requirement, that he report back and 12 tell the CRO after the foreman has told him to go do 13 I
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That is not a specific thing that has to g
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It is more than anything con-15 t
venience, so that the CRO knows where his men are at.
Q So when you say it depends on the person,
77 i f--th e auxiliary operator felt like he wanted to --
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Maybe he didn't like me.
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so it is left to the auxiliary operator 23 whether he wants to report back to the CRO?
24 A
I d n't know if ' would like to state it that way.
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It is up to the situation at hand.
There.is a set 3
pattern that we like to go by, but it is not absolute, 4
is what I am trying to say.
5 Q
There is no requirement that the auxiliary
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7 A
The CRO is not the auxiliary operator's boss.
8 Actually, I direct him on things I know have to be 9
done.
I am union.
I am not the auxiliary operator's I
10 boss.
The foreman is his boss, but it makes things 11 easier is what I am saying, and it is easily run that 12 way.
Usually it is run that the auxiliary operator 13 runs t the CRO to get things done.
It makes it easier 14 on the foreman and it makes it easier for the CRO to i
15 know wha.t is going on in the plant.
16 Q
And there is no operating procedure that 17 i
requires the auxiliary operator to report back to the t
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19 I am citing a case, A
If he was given directions 20 just one type if, say, the foreman went out and 21 happened to tell the auxiliary operator -- there are 22 a lot of times where the CRO doesn't know what is going 23 far as what he told the auxiliary operator to do.
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that something might have been going on and he wasn't 3
aware of it.
4 The foreman, on the other hand, has come in and 5
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sent this guy ~.to do that."
6 Q
would the foreman report back to you if he i
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suggested that an auxiliary operator do something?
8 A
It is more like he would inform you, t
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Q would he always inform you?
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It would be up to the for.aan whether or 12 not he informed the control room operator?
13 A
It amounts to that, yes.
8 14 Q
Is there a requirement that the control 15 i
room operator stay in the control room while he is on 1
16 shift?
17 A
There is a requirement that licensed operators, a 18,g[ven amount, stay in the control room depending on 19 the plant co ndit-io ns.
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A In other words, licensed -- I am saying SRO license 4
and CRO license is required in the control room at all 5
times depending 6n what the; plant conditions are.
When 6
we are up at power, we are required to have two, an SRO i
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license and a CRO license in the control room.
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other words, two licenses in the control room at all l
9 times.
I 10 Now, the SRO license might the requirement is 11 not necessarily that he be in the control room -- in 12 other words, there are situations where as long as we 13 have two CRO licenses in the plant or in the control 6
14 room -- this, to me, by the way, I believe is just 15 administrative type ruling.
I would have to go back 16 to the tech specs and see what the requirements are for 17 hot fpnctionals and refueling and whatnot as far as j)5 censes 18 in th e control room.
That is why I am saying 19 the CRO can go out.
20 we run with two licenses in the control room.
21 It is usually at least two RO licenses or one SPO an d a 22 CRO.
I am getting terms mixed around here, but it is 23 SRO, senior operating license, and an RO license.
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Q And an RO is reactor operator license?
3 A
Yes.
4 Q
And control room operator would have a 5
reactor operator' license?
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Right.
7 Q
And for what reason would a control room 8
operator leave the control room?
9 A
I am switching the tagging CRO, I am going to tag 10 out a piece of equipment I am not familiar with.
I 11 haven't been out to look at it, say, in six months,
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14 be fo re I tag it out.
That takes me out of the control 15 room.
16 The SRO doesn't leave, will not leave the control 17 room now until I return.
18 Q
Can you think out any other reason that you 19 would be called out of the control room?
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Probably in the plant I, myselff have gone out of I
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3 Right now, another example if you want one, 4
even right now, although the requirements for manning 5
now are less in the condition we are at right now as i
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7 I have a fire brigade that I make up.
It is in here 8
(indicating) and because of the manning we have, 9
sometimes I will put my name down on a fire brigade i
10 which means that if there was a fire, I would report i
11 to the scene of the fire.
12 Q
Have you been present at Unit 2 when there 13 have been NRC inspections?
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Yes.
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would you know in advance th at you were 16 going to have an NRC inspection?
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I didn't, no.
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Did 'other people in the plant know in 19 advance?
20 A
sometimes we knew and sometimes we didn't is what 21 it amounted to.
In other words, as he is walking in the km.. '
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the plant, would they make an announcement that he was l
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No, not spucifically him.
They wouldn't make an
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This isn't a public address J-8 announcement you are talking about?
9 THE WITNESS:
This is our radios.
10 MR. YUSPEH:
Two-way radios?
11 THE WITNESS:
Right.
We have a monitor in t
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12 the control room which we are required to have.
13 Q
So if you were in the control room you would 14 overhear --
15 A
It is possible.
You might be in the re and not 16 hear it; you might not catch what was said if you 17 weren't specifically listening to it.
18 Q
OthErwise, in most instances, you did not 19' know in advance?
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I, myself, no.
21 Q
And in some instances were you told in k, l 22 advance?
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somebody might have heard it and said, "Yes, there l
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sometimes know a couple of days or a week in advance?
3 A
what are you after?
I mean --
4 Q
Just answer the question.
very s traightforward 5
MR. TUSPEH:
It is a 6
question.
He wants to know did you have advanced 7
notice of the people 0
THE WITNESS:
I didn't, no.
The advanced 9
notice I might have gotten -- nobody came up and i
10 specifically said, "Craig Faust, there is an NRC 11 person entering the Island," no.
12 MR. YUSPEH:
Did anybody ever say, "Craig, 13 there is going to be an NRC inspector coming in l
14 two days or three days or a week"?
15 THE WITNESS:
I can't specifically say that 16 I have heard there is going to be NRC people here.
17 I can't even remenber exactly what they were
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coming for sometimes.
I believe it was just an 18 19 audit of the books.
I have heard that and there l
heardandthey 20 have been times when I haven't 21 walked in the door.
22 Q
would you be involved with the NRC inspectors 23 concerning an audit of the books?
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'isually the ones I am thinking about are tech 5
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You would just show them?
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Where they were at, so he could go through them
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And with respe ct to your responsibilities 10 as control room operator, what would an NRC inspection 11 involve?
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For me?
Nothing.
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So you would have contact with an NRC 15 inspector when he came on the Island?
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As far as talking to them, I might, yes.
They 17 might ask me a question.
I have been asked questions by 18
, tham be fore as far as, you know, where things are.
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Have you been asked any other kinds of
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21 A
,No, not normally, no.
No, I haven't.
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Would the NRC inspectors come into the e
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control room?
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I have talked to NRC inspectors before, but whether 4
it was in an official capacity, I didn't realize it, 5
if that is what fou'are getting at.
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Yes.
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What kind of questions would they ask you?
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What the mode of the plant might be, in other i
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Would they ask you to run through certain 16 procedures?
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Not that I re me mb e r, no.
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Do you remember any other questions that 21 they would ask you aside from the mode of the plant?
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Other than just saying hello, no.
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Would it always be the same inspe ctors that 24 would come?
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I don't remember them.
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I have haa very little to do with NRC inspectors 6
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operating-wise, and j ust say hello to them.
9 Q
Have you had less contact with them than 10 other control room operators?
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Probably.
12 Q
Do you know why that is?
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I just don't talk to people too much.
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So that most of the contact that the other 15 control room operators had with the NRC inspectors 16 were just because they initiated the contact?
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That would be a guess to say yes, I guess that is I
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19 Q
Are you saying that you had less contact
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Do you know if you had less 23 contact with them?
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Is there a formal procedure at TMI 2 for 7
handling safety concerns that you, as an operator, would 8
raise?
9 A
Yes.
The main way I would do that I haven't 10 seen one right off lately, but I would get in touch 11 with a man like Earl Gee if I had anything like a 12 safety related item.
You are talking about personnel-f 13 wise?
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Why don't you ask a question, 15 Joan?
16 Q
You are thinking of a specific example?
17 A
No, I am just saying when I think of safety 10 related, I think two people.
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Why don't you give me an example of what you 20 are thinking of?
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whae would that procedure be?
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It would be in the form of a discrepancy, for 7
one thing.
In other words, the way I would find 8
something like that normally would be from doing
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If it did not 10 meet the surveillance, I would write up a deficiency 11 on it, which just involves describing the item, the 12 problem with it, what it didn't meet, and then the i
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You would fill out a form called the 15 deficiency form?
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wouldn't be writing one of those up at that points 3
you will either correct the problem in a case like 4
that right away, or you are going to be shutting down.
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out what is going on to that piece of equipment.
8 Q
If something came up that you needed to' 9
correct right away, you would immediate17. contact the j
10 foreman and the supervisor?
11 A
It would be brought to the foreman's attention, 12 as far as I am concerned, right away.
It would also be 13 brought to the supervisor's attention, especially if
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In 15 other words, a shutdown was the direction it was going 16 to go to if we didn't correct it within the allotted time.
17 The supervisor would definitely know about tha'..
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Has that ever arisen?
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Oan you give me an example?
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have really forced us down, but it was considering 3
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about which way to go.
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And they would make the decision right at
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10 A
Yes.
we would talk about it, make a decision on 11 it, depending on the case.
They might call -- I don't 12 think he called anybody in this case, but he might call I
13 the supervisor of Operations or something.
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And in the instance where it was not a 15 problem that neeaed to be attended to at that instant, 16 where would you send this ESD form to?
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And have there been instances where you
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Yes.
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and got feedback?
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The feedback I would get 6
would be just followup action that I would be 7
required to perform, which would be usually 8
fairly immediate.
In other words, it would either 9
force me to a tech spec, or we would correct the l
10 problem so that we didn't have to go.into a tech 11 spec item, follow up on it.
12 Q
Is that the only standard form that you 13 would complete when a safety concern arose?
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It seemed to be the only one you need to key the 15 situation.
I would make a log entry on it just to note 16 the situation in my logbook.
The foreman would make 17 one in his, so it would be written down in other places, q
18 in'"other words.
It might require a tag-out if.
there 19' was going to be dat generated in the form of a work re-fixedimmediat[1y, 20 que.st.. If it e=
t be and we have 21 to go to the instrument shop or maintenance or otherwise, 22 there is going to be a work request written up on it.
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After the foreman sent this to whoever?
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7 shutting down the plant because we can't get it back."
8 That is one way.
9 The other way, if I say nothing was done on my 10 shift, and I come back the next day and we are still up, 11 that tells me something.
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12 shoulder and say that "We corrected this."
I would find 13 out just in the operation of the plant itself.
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14 words, if I came back on shift, or so long as I was on 15 shift, any changes in the plant I would know and the 16 reasons why.
If I came back on shift, it would ba 17 noted that this condition still exists.
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19 Unit 2, do you know who initially drafted those?
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operating procedures?
21 Q
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23 it, but I know I reviewed some operating procedures 24 myself to see how effective they were in actually 25 operating the plant.
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Every operating procedure we have goes to a 3
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Just because I am an operator.
I am the one that 6
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them to the system.
I would be one of the better people I
8 to tell if something was going to work as far as this l
9 procedure goes, than if I just sent it out to a committee-10 outside and said, "How about looking this over for me."
11 Q
Would every operating procedure that was 12 drafted be reviewed by a control room operator?
13 A
I would have
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14 were reviewed by a licensed or ne,t evec. : licensed, but 15 depending on the time conditions, a CRO and SRO.
In 16 other words, it could have been a shift supervisor, 17 or it could have been the foreman.
It could have been 18
,./~dRO depending on the conditions and their workload as
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well as ours at the time.
20 Q
so every operating procedure would be 21 reviewed by somebody who had an NRC license?
22 A
Or was going to get an NRC license.
In other 23 words, at the time that we were reviewing these, we
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A They would have to be reviewed by PORC, this p, - t 8
committee I am talking about.
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Q So since December 30, 1978, an operating 10 procedure that has been revised,fthat revision does O'
11 not have to be reviewed by a licensed operator?
12 A
It gets reviewed by the licensed operator in 13 the sense that any revisions that are made to the i
I 14 procedures, a licensed operator is required to look at and read over.
In other words, there is a check-15 16 list on procedures when changes are made that the 17 operator goes through and looks through to see what
.,t changes to that procedure are that might have been 18 19 made.
If he has any questions about it, he can make
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comments on it.
21 Q
So any/ revision that has been made since J
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All of them have.
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and it is keyed in there, the change that was made, and
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to beaware of that next time I do it," but he will 8
have that procedure in front of him when he is doing 9
.it.
But the idea is to make the operator aware that 10 there has been a change made to the procedure.
11 Q
Does he have input into that change?
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If he thought something was wrong, he would have i
13 input.
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17 Q
But an operator would see it prior to I8 d'RC review and' approval?
19 A
Not necessarily.
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20 would be instituted into a l
21 a looseleaf book that contained procedure changes,
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approve an operating procedure or surveillance pro-I l
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Yes.
12 MR. YUSPEH:
Is the unit. superintendent 13 lice.: sed to operate the unit?
I 14 THE WITNESS:
He carries an SRO license, 15 y,,,
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17 the unit superintendent has to approve any 18 changes that are recommended by ? ORC, then it
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It is a combination.
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and unlicensed people, and as far as I know at 4
this time, in fact, they might all -- the last 5
statement was the way I believe it is.
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Are control room operators members of PORC7 ~
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so.
a change in an 8
Q How would you initiate 9
operating procedure or a surveillance procedure?
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I get what is called a TCN.
What it amounts to 11 is -- well, a TCN and a PCR -- I believe it is so that I would initiate 12 procedural change request 13 the TCN if it was agreed.
The TCN is to notify imme-14 diately of the change.
That would go on top of the 15 procedure, all right?
The PCR is a longer-range 16 thing that would go in to PORC, in other words, to 17 initiate the change in the procedure itself.
10 TCN is just a temporary.
It is like a 90-day 19 thing, that
.ifJ it'doesn't show up after 90 days, it i
20 is cancelled.
The PCR is the actual paperwork to 21 the system to get a change in the procedure.
22 Q
Are you --
23 A
And review by PORC.
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would you then be asked to come before 4
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No, because personnel -- if that were the use, 7
it would go promptly to the supervisor, because I
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so you would send a TCN or PCR to your i
11 shift supervisor?
I 12 A
That is about it, yes.
That is what it would 13 amount to if he approved of it, agreed with me then 14 it would go through.
15 Q
If he agreed and approved that change, 16 he would then send it to PORC for review?
4 17 A
I believe that is the direction it would go 18 thAn, yes.
Q And if PORC had any questions, they would 19 20 direct any questions to the shift supervisor?
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Has the shift supervisor ever, then, j
1 23 come back to you and discussed the requested change 24 with you?
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We usually talk about the change right then.
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when I am bringing it up.
I might bring it up --
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that is where any discussion comes in on it.
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would let me know if PORC disagreed with it.
5 Q
Have there been instances where you have 6
recommended changes that PORC has not approved?
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I can't say right off.
I don't remember exactly.
8 There probably have been, but I just couldn't cite-one.
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Q With respect to emergency procedures, i
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.A Yes.
13 Q
How wo ld you initiate a charage with 14 respect to emergency procedures?
I 15 A
It would be the same way.
I go through the same 16 channels.
17 Q
Do you know who ini.ially drafted the 10 eke'rgencyprocedures?
,e 19 A
No.
I mean, I don't know who,overall,did. initial
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I myself have been 21 involved in working with the structure of emergency k, )
22 procedures, in other words, things that apply and 23 don't apply.
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Q Were you consulted as to the drafting?
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A I was asked to look over emergency procedures and 4
see, just review them for their accuracy as they may b
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apply to the plant.'
6 Q
Who asked you to review that?
7 A
Usually my supervisor or my foreman might have 8
given me a couple of them to look over.
9 Q
And then would you orally tell them what i
10 you thought of these procedures?
v 11 A
I might write down the list, depending if I saw 12 things wrong with it, I would write down on a sheet of 13 paper so he could look at it right away easy enough, i
14 and then he could determine if what I thought was wrong 15 or right, depending on the case, I might have added l
16 something or I might have wanted to eliminate something 17 I was worried about or put it in the follow-up action.
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And'were all control room operators involved
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21 A
I believe so.
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Were you aware that there was an-investiga-l 23 tion of the emergency feedwater valve No. 12 after l
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Yes, I knew they were investigating it.
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wasn't sure who was investigating it.
I know our own 3
people weere looking at why they would have given trouble 4
during that day.
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were you ever consulted by anyone in the 6
course of that investigation?
7 A
I have been asked what I had seen, why I had 8
taken certain actions on them.
9 Q
who asked you those questions?
10 A
NRC, GPU, Joe Logan.
I don't think I can name 11 them all, you know, the people that have asked me about l
12 then.
13 Q
And who at GPU asked you about them?
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I don't know his name.
I had an interview by GPU l
15 one time and we talked about it a little bit.
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Did John Miller ask you about the emergency 17 feedwater valves?
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You don't know who he'is?
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22 him if I see him again, but I just don't remember th'a c
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Did a Mr. O'Connor interview you concerning i
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MR. YUSPEH Would you recognize any name?
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Do you remember being questioned by a I
10 Mr. O'Connor concerning the emergency feedwater No. 12 11 valves?
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He said several times he 13 doesn't remember who interviewed him.
I 14 A
I just don't remember the names of the people.
15 I might recognize them if I see them, like I will never 16 forget you, but I just don't associate the name with the 17 person.
I might be introduced to somebody and I just 18
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l 20 consulte'd you concerning an investigation into the 21 No. 12 valves?
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I just know I talked to people 24 about the valves, certain people.
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No.
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specifically, no.
I 10 Q
can you restate th at?
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I have talked to B&W people, but not before 12 March 28th.
Like I have gone down to the simulator down 13 there and know a lot of them as far as talking with them.
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I guess what I am looking for is what manner are 17 you looking for?
Just to say hello, again.
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I would say no.
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where they might come in and want to do something and 3
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perform specific operations in the control room, would l
9 you have contact with anybody from Burns & Roe?
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12 get involved 1.1 it that way, at least prior to the i
13 accident.
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On March 28, at the time of the reactor 15 trip, you were in the control room, correct?
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And at that particular point in time, who 18 wre you receiving instructions from?
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Right on the trip?
20 Q
Right.
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Nobody.
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Immediately after that who would you have q
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24 A
who would I have?
25 Q
who did you.
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I was receiving no instructions from anybody.
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And your first set of instructions came 7
from whom?
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At all times during that morning and into the 12 afternoon I was not totally aware because I was facing i
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14 as to things that I might have been doing.
A lot of 15 the time it was actually watching on my own part plant 16 parameters.
The actions I took initially did not need 17 to be telling me what to do.
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at one time, but up until that point I actually didn't 8
receive instruction from anybody.
I was doing it per 9
EGD or m;' own experience with the plant to handle the 10 situation I saw in front of me.
11 Q
so there was a period of time there where 12 you were not receiving instructions from anybody?
I 13 A
If I were doing something wrong in there in 14 other words, in my supervisor's point of view from j
15 what he was hearing me relay to him, he would have 16 corrected me.
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Your supervisor being whom?
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Bill zewe for the rest of the morning?
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when a general emergency was declared, did 14 you continue to take instructions from Bill Zewe7 15 A
The best way I can answer that is that there was 16 a period, a definite period of time in there where I 17 didn't realize who was actually behind me telling me 18 wEat they wanted to do.
The person I took direction 1
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Mr. Sheimann was appointed by Mr. Zewe early in 4
the accident when he came into the control room to
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That is what 6
he was doing.
When I came over into that area, I then 7
just picked up on a control station as far as the 8
makeup pumps go to regulate, as he called out for me 9
to regulate them.
10 Q
So that once your responsibilities switched 11 to the pressurizer level, you then took your instruc-t 12 tions from Mr. Sheimann?
I 13 A
Makeup system.
What I did was fill in a space at 14 that time that was open.
In other words, I was being 15 relieved from the secondary side on the plant and I i
16 moved over into the primary side of the pans 1.
In other 17 words, we are talking about the panel and I saw an 18 op'[ningin there that I filled.
19 Q
Did anybody direct you to do that?
20 A No.
I came over on my own.
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instructions; is that correct?
3 A
Yes.
4 Q
Is that because your back was to the h'
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directed to you because that individual would.specifi-9 cally call your name?
the thing you have to under-10 A
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11 stand is I was not given instructions continually.
12 Q
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13 A
I can only remember receiving instructions for 14 staggering the feedwater flow.
I believe it was from 15 Mike Ross.
That is not even an absolute in my mind.
16 Fred Harriman, as far as when I was throttling 17 on the 16 valves, I was throttling back on them in 18 reiation to what Fred was telling me pressure was doing --
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C 22 Q
At the time of the general emergency who 23 was then in control in the control room?
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Q After the general emergency had been declared?
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I mean the initial part of it.
There was a shift 4
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I can't specifically state at what point I
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when would there have been a shift?
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when?
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Didn't you just state th at there was a 11 shift?
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I believe.
I am telling you what I think I
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I was not paying a 14 great deal of attention to what was going on behind me 15 at that time and I would say that Bill was in charge l
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20 Q
Anet then who did the control shift to?
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I believe it was Jim Seelinger that took control l
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He is part of the or the general emergency.
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He yelled out in the 25 control room that -- somebody yelled out, and I thought BENJAMIN R EPO RTING SERVICE
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3 Q
Did he annouce his name or did you just 4
recognize his voice?
5 A
I think -
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I think it was his name.
He j ust yelled out, " Jim seelinger.
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state it as a fact.
I just believe it was him.
10 Q
And did he remain in con trol for the 11 remainder of the time that you were there?
A I don't know.
13 Q
Are you aware of any other shif ts in terms 14 of who was in control in the control room af ter that i
15 point?
16 A
I think Gary Miller came in there.
Q Do you know at what point?
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How did you know that control shifted to A'
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I can't really say, no.
I am not sure anymore.
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direct contact with anybody from B&W.
Do you receive 3
any instruction from asw in writing form?
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If it relates to information about the primary f(-
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in other wotls.
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Review material in a training sense, do you l
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10 A
Yes, or it might have been a notificatica note.
11 In othe r wo rds, I am trying to remember the nane of it, 12 just in the form of recommendations or something about 13 a particular way of operation.
14 Q
B&w would send you dire ctly ?
15 A
Not me personally, no.
They would send it to the 16 plant.
17 Q
who would give it to you?
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It would be routed to us in the form of a memo
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20 Q
From whom would you receive that at Met Ed?
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It might be sent to the supervisor of operation, 22 it might be sent usually the station superintendent, y
23 maybe something like that, where it would be a note to
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It would end up in our mailbox and we would read it over.
3 Q
So it would not come in from the Training 4
Department?
5 A
It might.
We might receive it from the Training
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In other words, what I am.trying to 7
say is what you are saying now, information in the form
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review informacion received about operations of the 10 plant, but I migh t also receive it in the control room 11 in the form of -- I call it a memo -- that would be 12 sent to one of the unit superintendents of the station, I
13 operations engineer or whatever, and we would read over 14 it and sign it off.
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memos on.
I don't even know if it is from B&W for sure.
3 Q
Do you remember one specific example that 4
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no.
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If I wanted a copy of them I might.
I would have l
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9 MR. YUSPEH:
You indicated before that you 10 weren't sent a personal copy of the memo, that i
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Right.
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There were certain instances where you would f
15 make xerox copies and keep it?
16 A
7 have done that.
I don't know if I could find 17 it anymore.
I usually keep them in my training notes 10 t5at I keep for myself.
19 Q
Do you remember particular instances where 1
20 you xeroxed one of these memos?
21 A
You want me to look in my notes?
I will go find (2) 22 out.
.I will look through them and see if I.can come up 23 with tl.em.
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receiving instructions from various individuals.
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you were given?
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why I disagreed, and it is hard to argue someching like 9
that under conditions, especially if you art talking 10 about the 28th of March, to justify not doing something 11 you disagreed with.
12 Q
Do you remember specific examples where 13 you did disagree with certain instructions?
14 A
one of the first ones I disagreed with was -- I state this; you are going to have to listen to 15 vant to *
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them off, but I don't like taking them off."
I couldn't 3
pinpoint my reasoning at that time.
I couldn't come 4
out and argue why we shouldn't take them off.
5 Q
Who directed you to turn them off?
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Bill zewe told me.
I took over the first set of 7
pum'ps.
8 Q
But you discussed this decision with F'-'
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10 A
We talked about it.
I actually did my discussing 11 more with Bill zewe.
He was talking with George Kunder.
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13 areas right here.
I was watching my generators, yet I 14 had several stations in manual, and I couldn't just 15 walk awa,y from them for an extended period of time l
16 and leave them alone.
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Did you give them any reasons aside from 18 ju'st your feeling that you didn't want to take these 29 pumps off?
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I d'idn't even indi-
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I am just saying all I stated 22 was I didn't like the idea of taking them off,' and just 23 before I took them off, I stated it again, but it
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Q Did they ask you your opinion?
3 A
They got my opinion.
At the time, I couldn't give 4
them a reason.
5 Q
Did they ask you the basis for your opinion?
6 A
I don't remember whether they did or not.
They 7
may have.
I am just remembering the part that keyed 8
to my mind.
9 Q
was there another instance that you did 10 not agree with the instructions that you were given?
11 A
I couldn't understand, didn't understand why 12 ve weren't -- I don't know how to say that -- I dis-13 agreed another time when I asked why we were stag-
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14 gering flow as I was told to do.
We had attempted to 15 high-p r e.s s ure.' in j e c t, and we were told to back off 16 several times, or two times I can think of.
17 In other words,'we high-pressure injected, anc '
18 z' ' be lie ve one of the times was when it looked like we
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20 pressurizer.
The word was to back o'ff, but we had 21 our own feeling amongst ourselves about it, but at 22 thin stage it seemed like, you know, the decision-23 making seemed to shift behind me, is the way I put it.
Q Did you articulate your objection to this 24 25 instruction?
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understand what we are doing, why are we doing this?
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That is the way I reasoned.
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Did you explain to them the reasons why 8
you didn't agree with the actions they were taking?
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11 Q
Did you explain it to anybody at that time?
12 A
No.
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Did Mr. Kunder explain to you the reason 14 why he was turning off the RC pumps?
15 A
He said we were approaching 1200 pounds, 16 minimum suction head pressure on the pumps for 17 operating the pumps.
In other words, we have in our 18 procedure, it states when you get to 1200 pounds, shut 19 the pumps off, take the pumps out of service.
20 The point on something like thFt now, though, 21 as far as my belief in it, is we did not have a t
22 procedure to cover what was going on for us.right now, 23 and we were having a hard time determining which 24 procedure to go to,.
try to follow like that, so we to 25 picked up on that procedure, and we went according to 3
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what that procedure was initially indicating, frcm 3
that point of view, as far as protecting the RC pumps, 4
with the thought in mind that we were still solid in 5
the primary plant.
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Which emergency procedures were used in 7
the first four hours on the morning of March 287 8
A As far as ones gotten out, or as far as what 9
we were into, without getting a procedure out?
10 Q
First, which ones to get out?
11 A
The first ones that were gotten out were the 12 reactor trip and turbine trip.
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15 my hands,on for a period of time where I verified 16 the initisi steps I was'taking to make sure I covered 17 them all.
I looked over the reactor trip procedure, 18
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in the same manner.
This was some time later.
19 Q
So the reactor trip and the turbine trip 20 and the steam generator break emergency procedures 21 were the only three actual emergency procedures that 22 you referred to?
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That I remember referring to?
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correct.
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Right.
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Q Do you remember referring in your mind to 3
any other emergency procedures?
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I was referring to a steam generator tube leak i
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I was. referring to -- before I saw the 1
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that one along those lines.
I was thinking along the 8
lines of loss of steam generator feed, which we did 9
not have a procedure to cover a total loss of feed, 10 including emergency feed, which is basing then as to 11 what you are doing exactly;.in the case like that, you 12 want to know exactly what you are doing when you are i
13 trying to follow a procedure.
i 14 I was thinking along the lines of loss of 3
15 vacuum in the condenser, which we don't have a pro-16 cedure for that, but I was thinking from an operational 17 point of view how to correct that.
18 Q
But'there is no emergency procedure for
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Loss of vacuum in the condenser', no, but what I
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I was thinking along the lines 23 from the secondary part of the panel.
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actually doing parts of them because no one seemed 3
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Which parts or which emergency procedures C-5 that you were referring to parts of came to your mind?
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Another one that came to my mind was restart 7
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Q A restart accident?
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A Right.
I don't know if you will see it labelled 4
as that.
I think it is labelled as unanticipated l
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Q And what part of that were you re fe rring to?
9 A
At what part?
10 Q
What part, what section of that eme rgen cy 11 procedure?
12 A
I would have been trying to cover immediate 13 actions and symptoms to try to determine which one to 14 use.
15 Q
And what symptom in the restart accident j
16 emergency procedure were you referring to?
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The increase in count rate with the possibility 18 of" diluting the primary symptom.
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Any other emergency procedures that you
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21 A
I think I covered them.
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Do you remember who closed the PORV7 23 A
Fred Scheimann closed it.
Now, that is after the 24 fact information, okay.
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over it.
He was standing in that part of the panel, I
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of the panel.
5 Q
But *you don't know for a fact that on that 6
morning he closed it?
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You could safely assume that he did close it, 8
yes.
9 Q
Was he the only one over that sart of the 10 panel at that time?
11 A
That is hard to answer.
There were a lot of 12 people right around in that area.
To say who was 13 exactly standing -- Fre d was standing right in that 14 i
corner.
He was definitely right in that part of the 15 panel.
That is not to say that somebody wasn't standing 16 right behind him a ttle bit like off to the side.
17 Q
Is there any time prior to March 28 that 18 anybody was in the control room with any kind of 19' alcoholic beverage?
20 A
No, not that I am aware of anyway.
21 Q
Are you aware of any time prior to March 28 22 that alcoholic beverages would be immediately outside 23 the control area?
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You mean anytime prior to it?
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A Way back in the construction days, yes.
3 Q
Yes?
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Yes, I was aware of it from the fact that when I (7'
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6 a beer can or, I think I saw a fifth once of Four Roses, 7
empty fifth bottle laying around, from that point of
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This was before that was during construction 0
9 or before field or any thought of any testing programs 10 going on.
11 Q
Was that your own re colle ction?
12 A
.Yes.
13 Q
Do you recall anybody having alcoholic 14 beverages in the control room on March 28?
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Immediately outside of the are a of the i
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19 Q
Do you remember anybody coming to work 20 intoxicated on March 287 21 A
No.
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Do you remember anybody coming to work 23 intoxicated prior to March 28?
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The man himself stated -- he was c alle d he said he was under 3
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Who was this individual?
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Let's hold on a minute.
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know that you all have a very broad scope of 8
investigation and I don't know that I would want 9
to preserve any objection to getting into that, 10 but I also don't know if it is an appropriate 11 question or not.
Can we hold it till tomorrow, 12 hold that one question until tomorrow?
13 Q
You indicate th at this person was called 14 down?
15 A
He was called out, yes, to replace a man that 16 wasn't there.
17 Q
And who called him down?
18 A'
I don't know if I can answer that.
In other 19 ords, I don't remember the foreman that was on that
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21 Q
It would have been a foreman that was on 22 duty?
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Who called the man down,yes.
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We reserve the right to ask 3
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Sure, and I would state for 6
the record that I would be glad to consult with others in the company.
I am not stating a O
company position, it just seems to me.th at it is 9
the kind of question which you can at least wait, 10 as an issue as to appropriateness, and rather 11 than getting the answer on the re cord now, I 12 would like to have the opportunity to' consult 13 with others and to consult with you, as atto rneys 14 for the Commission, to discu'ss the necessity.
15 I am not objecting on a continuing basis that it i
16 is inappropriate, but just so we don't have it 17 on the record now where it can't be expunged, j
yg but I would just ask you to wait until later to i
ask it.
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Could you explain to me the role that the 23 union has in your training?
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I don't think they have any role in it.
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'I t is not up to them, once again, I don't believe.
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10 of the plant.
I believe you are talking about from an 11 A E.S point of view?
I2 Q
Yes.
13 A
No, that doesn't come under their influence.
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Has the union played any role in helping you f
15 analyze your role in the accident on March 28, 19797 16 a
no, 17 Q
Are you familiar with an accident that 18 o'c'curre d at the' Davis-Besse 1 plant on September 24, 19 19777 20 A
when?
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Are you familiar with it now?
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Yes.
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Q Do you know a John Flint of B&W?
3 A
Yes.
4 Q
Did you discuss with him prior to March 28, 5
1979, the September 24 incident at Davis-Besse?
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No, I don't re me mb e r discussing anything like 7
that with anybody.
8 Q
When did you learn of the incident at 9
Davis-Besse?
10 A
I saw the letter, the memo on Davis-Besse on the
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12 Q
And how was that?
13 A
I heard about the memo sometime in, I believe it 14 was sometime in April when I heard about it that some-15 body said there was a similar occurrence at Davis-l 16 Besse, and that is about all I heard.
17 Q
And who would you have heard that from in 18 April?
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I think it was one of the people that were in 20 helping support the plant.
They were just talking that r
21 somebody said like there was something similar happened 22 at Davis-Besse, but I didn't know the details.
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Do you remember where he was from?
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Q Do you remember if he was from the NRC?
3 A
No.
4 Q
Was he from GPU?
5 A
No, I don't believe so.
He was from -- there were i
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7 sites where people were sent just to assist.
I don't 8
remember which one he was from.
9 Q
And just during the course of conversation 10 he raised with you this incident?
11 A
I don't think I was even in on it.
I was just 12 standing in.the control room.
I heard him say it to 13 somebody else.
14 Q
You mentioned that on June 7 you heard of --
15 A
That is when I received the first memo on it.
16 Actually it was just a fac' memo briefly describing it.
17 It was the first time I came in contact with it.
18 Q
Who'was that memo from?
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I think it was I believe that was passed on 20 from Ross.
It was his copy, I believe.
It might have 21 been Gary Miller's too.
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Do you know if anybody, prior to March 28, q
23 at TMI 2 knew of the incident at Davis-Besse?
24 A
As far as I know, no.
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operators knew of the incident at Davis-Be se?
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Not that I know of, no.
4 Q
The memo that Mike Ross or Gary Miller sent 7
5 to you, who was that written by?
6 A'
I don't know.
I believe it was put out by asw.
7 I am not really sure of that.
I just read the body of 8
the lette r on what it re fe rre d to.
9 Q
Do you remember what they said in that 10 memo?
11 A
Just stated that they had a stuck open relief 12 valve and that pressurizer level might not 'always be, 13 I guess, something about being representative of what 14 is going on in the pressurizer or indicative of what 15 is going on in the pressurizer.
16 Q
Do you have a copy of that memo?
17 A
Yes, I have one at home somewhere.
I know that.
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would you be able to allow the President's 21 Commission to get a copy of your personnel file with (f
22 the United States Navy?
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Get me one too.
Yes, provide me with a copy of it.
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we would have you sign a fo rm that would c
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a form for that.
I would also request that I get a 4
copy of it while you are at it.
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Yes.
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It is a convenient way to 7
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For the record, we will j
9 provide you with a full set of everything that 10 was provided to us.
we can forward it to you at i
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12 Ms. GOLDFRANK:
we can recess this deposi -
13 tion now.
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the State of New York and STANLEY RUDBARG, Certified 7
Shorthand Repo'rter and Notary Public of the State of 8
New York, do hereby certify that the foregoing deposition 9
of CRAIG C. FAUST was taken be fo re us on the 23rd day 10 of July, 1979.
I 11 The said witness was duly sworn before the 12 commencement of his testimony; that th e said testimony j
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t 15 The within transcript is a true record of 16 the said deposition.
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