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Transcript of 790607 Meeting in Washington,Dc Re Emergency Planning.Pp 1-48
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Issue date:	06/07/1979
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I I 12 CCf1MISSIONER GILI:! SKY: For an individual? mml0 1 %s ao. 7 MR. GCSSICE: I've aircady had a suggestion or a 3 4 ccament from Bill Dircks. You knew they are workinc on ~ .c,, emerc. ene.v c. lans f er the f acilities that Cey are concerne c I wit'. And he would like to ge: *:rn Ca-ts involved. 6 1 I 7 I I dii'nk that's an excellent suggestion. I think .1 j 1 he's had a lot of experience _ in contingency planning and so t1 8' o i a t . c .b.. 9' .I I w '4"'a awkward when you s tart 1 10! But ti.a t gets a i 11 getting three co-chairman, d R 3 CCMMISSIC iER AHEAFlc: Yes, I noticed that. i 12j. 1 6 (Laughter.) j a 13i;

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4 i 13 a mmll to get on with some action in the area, and with the l I' 2 need to re spond to congressional queries and so on, nee d to converge and become o,e, hard-driving ef fort in the agenef. l 3 4 And I. chink your ccnnents on the C' ilk _tems would be O' helpf ul. 6 MR.GOSSICK: Let me amplify one point: 7 ll I believe -- and I reallv haven' t s tudied this in i Si great detail, but I believe thrthe preocsed letter te the 9l Staff merely add-esses the state and local government planning ' i e 10 kind of thing. My concern :.s in the pas t somehow the li ce ns ee, i i II !' eneree: cv. clann:.nc. anc the s tate clanninc, v. ou knew, vere s hort h n. ia h cf meetinc each o ther. There is a bridce that needs to be I 12 i o, , # p! looxed at here at the local level. 1 3 And many of the other things, :.ncluding our cwn f Id i 15 I NRC respense in our dealings with othe go'eernment agencies. I i 16l So, if you want to trv. to bring this whole bagful D I7 of probic=s toge th er, :t beccces a very sizahle thing. 18 h Now, perhaps cne of the firs t thines to de is to I ,i i } C 'l;l break this cut into separate and almost, feu k new, s ep arable I, 20 {, ki nds of things that can be done, and,.'.in.aiii ti on, has to be h "1 I bei. eve c.nfertaken to see hcw all of these c:her prehlems ii i i ,,9 and activities can he best integra e d with -he total,

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28 n i n y1 14 ll ll li I i I ll with - doesn't cur handle really apply to the Licensee? Cr ilv 2d does the rule turn out to be scmething that the state must i I I q 1 J omo.lv with? D. I 4I MR. SEAFAR: We have a handle c.- the Licensee. 5, .W. GCSSICK: "'ha t ' s mv. o.cint, snd back to v.our 6 ? question though, there are so many unic.ue characterisites. You t =1

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l 3 gcing to have to ecce with a state plan, but Missouri, Iowa, d 9[ and the other states as well, because it sits in an area where 10 i it affects, vou know, three states. 11, O w o _,. _ _4.,a _. _4.-,. s.. _" ' '__ b e d _d _# _# e - a..~., u._ic"e .c a 1, 1 4ve.. s.a*e. +- * # nk. k.e c _' _--". s '.' n. c e s ' e -.n_i a e. 3 e I3 'i COMMISSIONZR GII. NS'Y: I'm most concerned about this t J '4 "I I i c. a o. v.ou're sn_eaking about between the state clan and the utili. h .l 1C ,i o.lan. And where does that c.et us? 'l le ' ~,. -, o. e __ -a a. ..k. a - ~.^ b e w 4_ .q. .c. r.< c..% s 1 i 1' I, meshed. It can recnire the *.icensee, as we do now, to develop i je _" s '. wn e..a_ _-- ~ e.... ". .-a soc.s e, a ~' "~.u

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32 -l'18 [l l ii f i I Eut it seems to me it would be desirable for the i.l S I 'd Oc= mission to be in a posture of going forward, rather than I.. 3i saying, "Well, we will put this Staff group to work, and in I a f ew weeks we '11 hear -- thev will decide what we 're noing w p 5 i,l Secause I'm afraid it leaves us with no answer to a n-do." 6 number of very urgent queries. I 7: When is the Ocm=ission going to make up its mind l I o-I about this? And we are,at this point, seven days past a o4 'i statutory deadline to answer the Government Operations 10 ! CO:- it*.ee. 11 3 So I would verv much like te enceurage us to declare l , now that we will, in fact, go forward with an expedited rule- ..i " h making, covering these subjects as generally laiu in John's 1, 'a* er, together with any others, as I say, that see:t appropri-l' 1 *5 inf :11

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I I L 33 ,l ' Il COMMISSIONER AEEAR'iE: I'm clearly in favcr of that. . _. w,, I -3, t 2, CHAI??.AN EENDE.II: I scrt of detected that you l i 3' might be. i 4' Peter, would vou go in this direction? i 1 5 !i COMMISSIONER 3?ADFORD: Yes. t 6l I would want, though, one other point that I i 7! don't tnink acrears in John's letter or John's conceptual B h cutline cf the rulemaking, to be sure that it was in fact h H 9d included, and that is a poin: I made ence er tw e before, F.a 10l I think that one of the thine.s missin9 frca ou emergencv. II ' response plan.ing checklist is any con eptual goal of just 12 what it is suppcsed tc achieve. I3 ' And I think that needs to emerge in a rule.w.%ing l 14, as well; whether it can be stated specidically as saying Ic' particular quadrants shculd be capable of being evacuated 1 P 16 d in six hours, er whe:her there is scme c:her wav. cf statine i i I7 it, I think that that has got to be measu ed against a 12 1,

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==2 l 1 i ocliev is while the rulemakin is cin~e ca. And if nossible, Q 20 h also, what sort of backfit criteria wculd then becone h 't ] ~ at the end of the rulemaking for both plants in existence and i, e I plants for which cps or OLs might be is sue d during -- 5 i CHAIPS.AN HENDRIE: Well, as laid cut you would i U 6 q get public cormont en this point, and che staf f task force 7 in working towa-d the ule and developing the associated areas i a, would certainly cover it, I would think. 7.nd could be asked 9 to do se explicitly. i 10 il

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Are you thinking of early notice 11 i at the same time to ge'. some ptblic commea.:s? i 19 '^l CHAIPFJ.S HENDRIE: I think ena would be a good i n"I f step te take. 14 CHAIPSJ.N HINDRII: Just get en with it in view 1 ~5 l of a feeling that we will inevi. ably end up going this route, i l'< ~., a..^ -. s e ar _' i a._ _- we c.e c"- v16 as'r...~.,~.~.. e... .a_ =.=._'.'o__- n 1., : ' the whcle process can roll. 18 l - t n.. a .,, m e __. a;,o,._., e i.-_. c ot,.., a u e. ./o..,., ,_4.nc. o 1., the kinds of things that we have t..alked abcut and you have 4C1 taa,.,< e c a.ccut. l COMMISSICNER SPJ.2 FORD: And just One questicn.ha: .h. 3 M. A e. M. h.h.*.M. t b.e A

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I i 36 mm4 MR. SHAPAR: The leverage is a verv practical 1l i leverage, because the rules say if you don't get the state to do t".is, vou don't cet a license. 3 .t li COM.V.ISSIONER AHEARNE: It is a very major -- after S - for the oecole in all, the state has the resconsibility

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I l I i it =' # ll '~"' li het. c.. ices, would really come back, go through tle t i. lisc of 70 planning elements, other censiderations, ud say, 3 this is geo, and this needs supplementing, this is bad, l'.I H .t ; de this one the other way and sc on, and really c. e t scoe i 5g useful co==ent. 1 'I 6,', I wouldn ' t have expected to have that come back l 7 i, in resOcnse to the gcVernment letters. I 11 3 j: Vic, I didn't poll you. h i 9 ij Oh, Peter, you are still cn. 10 CO.M SSIONI'R 3RADFORD: One last cuestion. t li l De we have currently a petition pendinv on this 12 l subject? I Ic ' It seems to me that groups in testimony in the -L nll i 14 9 last =cnth cr so indicated an intention to reactivate their il l'. 15 ; c.revicus O.etition or submit a new one. Has anv. hing cece in? ,1 il 16 i .v..o.. '. 0 3 7.0 - ".".d. a_. e _'.e a ,e e '__' 'u _i c.. .# c..-'- ' a ~..a.'<._".- : -- ll li 17 p1 (Inaudible.) -- and some others, which renewed the July '77 I, l la,; petition whi-b was denied in July c f '77 cn iemergency e 19 ', planning, and add some other elenents to it based on their 20 views of Three Mile Island accident. 1 ..w.,'.- wa_ a.., u '. c ".

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38 mm6 1 1 i critical mass, which was to require drills and public i 1 2 ll notices -- b .il 3 '1 COEISSICNER 3RADFORD: Without knowing more than elf 4l that, it seems to me that we ought to alsc deal with the I 3' rerging, whatever, aspects of that petition that will be 1 6 - granted by this action. We ought to be merging the two together i i CHAIRMAN HENDR'E: Sure. i g COMMISSICNER GI~INSKY: I think it is good tc get i 1 ,.w,, . J,, s. w.a... o.' e s e *..' ~= *. 3 ' n ~ .4 n* o .i ~e,. 9, 3 o 10 rulemaking will not be used for stacking arms here. We have 11 11 F gc to be ar.ed with getting en with our own ef forts at full i 12 l speed. t i 1., g!i It has been c.uite some time alreadv.. I', 1 : !i CHA:hAN HINDRII: I agree with John. e p I 15 [ CCM..!SSIONER IdEARNE : I guess I would like to 1 'l uq rese. cnd to -hat because this 's =v. r c r. o s a l. r .I 4

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.i. l 39 '.) =7 ~ cf gaine out for oublic comment was the inherent value in 1.- cet:ing some of the succestions fro = the people who, over 2, ri the last several v. ears, have been.aushinc. in this direction. 3, d. "he Cc=ission had not seen fit to ao in that .t o direction.

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6 :j MF.. BICKWIT: Mr. Chairman, cne option which hasn't Jq been mentioned. We have mentioned th.at when the draft rule 74, t ccmes back, we might cc : sider making parts of it immedi 1 8t i 11 4 effective. 91 t Ancther Option yot might have is to cick un cart 10, e i 1 of i and cut it into a coliev statertent, it would be l.a. 4 een-.. - ~~'~ d 4 "-~~y m'~~-~*e* 12 : i.l j., y CCMMISSIONER GI'INSKY: Let me just repeat my 9 \\, y conce n here. I gather that is what you are planning to do, n 11 1: i and I would like to see an overall icok at emergencv clanninc

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f 40 l em8 1 i The Staff should go ahead and form up its task In 4 i,i force on emerc.encv..clanningr give thought to the cc=ments here a il 3' on leadership that have been made. It would cover nhe broad .1 area, just as Cc=missioner Gilinsky has outlined it, and 5 I think pretty well as outlined in your memorandum to us i, 6 about emergency planning. Now, as a part of that affort, the task force wculd 7l' e ll begin to think about the lessons learned recently, and how tha 5 91 might reflect in a rule on emer encv. clanninc. v 10 At the same time we ought to have OGC and OPE I i 11 Jil draf t us sc=e lanc.uac.e with which we can c.o cut and tell I 12 pecple that we intend Oc have rulemaking on the series of 13 :

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