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| Site: | Sequoyah  |
| Issue date: | 09/17/2014 |
| From: | Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation |
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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION Title: Sequoyah License Renewal Public Meeting - Afternoon Session Docket Number: (n/a)
Location: Soddy Daisy, Tennessee Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 Work Order No.: NRC-1069 Pages 1-24 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
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1 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 + + + + +
3 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 4 + + + + +
5 OFFICE OF NUCLEAR REACTOR REGULATION 6 + + + + +
7 SEQUOYAH LICENSE RENEWAL 8 ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW 9 PUBLIC MEETING - AFTERNOON SESSION 10 + + + + +
11 WEDNESDAY 12 SEPTEMBER 17, 2014 13 + + + + +
14 SODDY DAISY, TENNESSEE 15 + + + + +
16 The meeting convened at Soddy Daisy City 17 Hall, 9835 Dayton Pike, Soddy Daisy, Tennessee, at 2:00 18 p.m.
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2 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 (2:00 p.m.)
3 MR. HAGAR: May I have your attention 4 please. Steve, are you hearing me all right? Okay.
5 This is a meeting called by the Nuclear Regulatory 6 Commission to discuss the preliminary results of the 7 license renewal environmental review of the Sequoyah 8 Nuclear Plant.
9 Good afternoon. My name is Bob Hagar, I'm 10 a member of the NRC's Facilitation Corps and in this 11 meeting my role has really three parts.
12 One is I'm going to try to help the meeting 13 run smoothly. I'm going to make sure that everybody who 14 has something to say in this meeting has a chance to say 15 it and I'm going to try to keep us on schedule.
16 I'll do my best to make this meeting 17 worthwhile for everyone who's here, and I hope you'll 18 help me do that.
19 Before we get started, I want to cover with 20 you a few details about this meeting. First of all, I 21 think everyone knows that Tennessee Valley's Authority 22 has applied to renew the Sequoyah operating license for 23 an additional 20 years.
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3 1 the environmental impact of license renewal. NRC has 2 developed some preliminary results of that review and 3 the NRC wants your comments on those results, and so 4 that's really the primary purpose of this meeting.
5 Next, the meeting today essentially has 6 three parts. The first part is going to be the NRC 7 presentation. They're going to describe the process by 8 which they develop the results they're going to describe 9 today. Then we're going to have a period where we're 10 going to cover questions and answers where you can ask 11 questions. The NRC staff will answer questions about 12 the presentation materials because the NRC wants to 13 ensure that you understand the process that they're 14 in.
15 Following that, the NRC wants comments on 16 the results that they've described. So the meeting's 17 got those three parts.
18 Now the NRC is going to describe the results 19 of the environmental review and they're going to say 20 that it's been documented in a draft supplemental 21 environment impact statement and they may refer to that 22 document as the DSEIS, in fact I'm going to refer to it 23 as a DSEIS too so when you hear DSEIS think Draft 24 Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. They 25 might also refer to just the general Supplemental NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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4 1 Environmental Impact Statement and let me call that the 2 SEIS.
3 Now in this third part, in the public 4 comment section, the NRC staff will listen to your 5 comments about the environmental impact of license 6 renewal. Now note that the NRC staff will listen --
7 they generally won't respond, won't provide responses 8 to what you say. Instead, they'll prepare written 9 responses to your comments after the meeting, after 10 they've had a chance to refer to documents and talk to 11 other people to make sure they've got the right answers, 12 and they'll include those responses in the report of 13 this meeting.
14 Now also the NRC has arranged to have this 15 meeting recorded, and this gentleman off to the right 16 is preparing that record. That's so the NRC can produce 17 a transcript, that is a record of what was said during 18 the meeting.
19 Now in order for that transcript to be 20 accurate we need to establish a few ground rules to 21 ensure that the recording is clear and complete.
22 First of all, in this meeting when you speak 23 I want you to speak into a microphone and this is the 24 microphone that we want you to speak into. So when you 25 have a question we want you to come up here and ask the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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5 1 question, if you have comments you want to make we want 2 you to come up here and make those comments so that what 3 you say gets recorded.
4 Now the first time you speak we want you to 5 identify yourself and, if you represent a group, what 6 group you represent. Also, if you have an uncommon name 7 or if your name has a unusual spelling, please also spell 8 your name. And also to ensure that the recording is 9 clear, we want you to minimize any background noise.
10 Don't hold side conversations and don't interrupt the 11 speaker, wait till the speaker is done. That's because 12 if the microphones picks up two people speaking at the 13 same time, we can't tell what either one of them said.
14 So finally please silence your personal 15 cell phone and any other personal electronics you have 16 with you. Now we realize that you may not be able to 17 completely disconnect yourself from the rest of the 18 world during this meeting but if you have to take a call 19 during this meeting please step out in the hallway and 20 take care of that business so that the other meeting 21 participants can hear what's going on and so that 22 neither your phone ringing nor your side of the 23 conversation becomes part of the record. Is everyone 24 okay with those ground rules? All right.
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6 1 noticed some blue and yellow cards, they look like this, 2 and if you wanted to speak we asked you to sign in. I 3 don't think anybody did. So if during the presentation 4 you decide you do want to say something, just let met 5 know. I'm going to be sitting right up here and I'll 6 give you a card so you can fill it out.
7 And when we get to the third part of the 8 meeting I'll see how much time remains and see how many 9 people want to say something and do the simple math to 10 see how much each time each person has. So if you plan 11 to be a speaker please plan to be flexible enough to fit 12 what you want to say in the time that remains.
13 Now also on the table is a public meeting 14 feedback form. We'd ask you to fill that out before you 15 leave today and hand it to any of the NRC staff members 16 or, if you choose to take it with you, please drop it 17 in the mail. It's postage free. And your assessment 18 of how today's meeting went will help us improve future 19 meetings so please take a moment to let us know what you 20 think about it.
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7 1 you right outside and we'll gather on the lawn out there.
2 And we have a couple of security officers back there in 3 the back to help us if we have an emergency. So does 4 anyone have question about anything I've covered?
5 All right. With that I'm going to turn 6 this meeting over to David Drucker. He's the 7 environmental project manager for the NRC's review of 8 the Sequoyah license renewal application, he's pretty 9 much responsible for the reviews that they're going to 10 talk about today.
11 I'll be back when the NRC presentation is 12 done and if you have any questions, again if you have 13 questions about the material that's presented, please 14 hold those questions until we get to the second part of 15 the meeting. All right? Thank you for your attention.
16 MR. DRUCKER: Thank you, Bob. And thank 17 you all for taking the time to come out to this meeting 18 today. My name is David Drucker and as Bob said I'm the 19 project manager for the environmental review for the 20 Sequoyah Nuclear Plant license renewal application.
21 I hope the information we provide with this 22 presentation will help you understand what we've done 23 so far and the role you can plan in helping us make sure 24 that the final environmental impact statement is 25 accurate and complete.
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8 1 I would like to emphasize that the 2 environmental review is not yet complete.
3 I'd like to start off by briefly going over 4 the agenda and the purpose of this presentation. I will 5 discuss the NRC's regulatory role, the preliminary 6 findings of our environmental review which addresses 7 the impacts associated with extending the operating 8 licenses of the Sequoyah Nuclear Plant for an additional 9 20 years, and I will present the current schedule for 10 the remainder of the environmental review and how you 11 can submit comments outside of this meeting.
12 At the end of the presentation there will 13 be time for questions and answers on the contents of my 14 briefing and, most importantly, time for you to present 15 your comments on the draft supplemental environmental 16 impact statement, the acronym for which you'll hear me 17 refer to it is SEIS.
18 Next slide. The NRC was established to 19 regulate civilian use of nuclear materials including 20 facilities producing electric power. The NRC conducts 21 license renewal reviews for plants whose owners wish to 22 operate them beyond their initial license period.
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9 1 of operation.
2 In all aspects of the NRC's regulation our 3 mission is threefold. To ensure adequate protection of 4 public health and safety; to promote common defense and 5 security, and to protect the environment.
6 Next slide. We're here today to discuss 7 the potential site-specific impacts of license renewal 8 for the Sequoyah Nuclear Plant. The generic 9 environmental impact statement, or GEIS, examines the 10 possible environmental impacts that could occur as a 11 result of renewing licenses of individual nuclear power 12 plants.
13 The GEIS establishes and bounds the 14 significance of these potential impacts. The analysis 15 in the GEIS pertains to operating power reactors. For 16 each type of environmental impact, the GEIS establishes 17 generic findings covering as many plants as possible.
18 There is a copy of the generic environmental impact 19 statement out on the table outside the room and that 20 document is also available online.
21 Now for some environmental issues the GEIS 22 found that a generic evaluation was not sufficient and 23 that a plant-specific analysis was required. The 24 site-specific findings for Sequoyah are contained in 25 the draft SEIS which was published in July of 2004 and NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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10 1 I have a copy of it here and there's copies of it, both 2 a hard copy out on the table outside this room and CDs 3 with this document available for you all.
4 This document contains analyses of the 5 applicable site-specific issues as well as a review of 6 the issues covered by the GEIS to determine whether the 7 conclusions of the GEIS are valid for Sequoyah. In this 8 process the NRC staff also reviews the environmental 9 impacts of potential power generation alternatives to 10 license renewal.
11 Next slide. For each environmental issue 12 identified, an impact level is assigned. The NRC 13 standard of significance for impacts was established 14 using the White House Council on Environmental Quality 15 terminology for significance. The NRC established 16 three levels of significance for potential impacts --
17 small, moderate and large -- as defined in the slide.
18 For a small impact the effects are not 19 detectable or so minor that they will neither 20 destabilize nor noticeably alter any important 21 attribute of the resource.
22 For a moderate impact the effects are 23 sufficient to alter noticeably, but not destabilize, 24 important attributes of the resource.
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11 1 clearly noticeable and are sufficient to destabilize 2 important attributes of the resource.
3 While these impact level designations are 4 used for most of the resource areas analyzed in this 5 DSEIS, there are three areas that have their own impact 6 level designations and they are discussed on the next 7 slide.
8 So for special status species the impact 9 significance determination language comes from the 10 Endangered Species Act and the choices to describe the 11 impacts are no effect, may affect but not likely to 12 adversely affect, and may affect and is likely to 13 adversely affect.
14 For cultural and historic resources the 15 National Historic Preservation Act requires federal 16 agencies to consider the effects of their undertakings 17 on historic properties and, finally, for environmental 18 justice under Executive Order 12898 federal agencies 19 are responsible for identifying and addressing 20 disproportionately high and adverse human health and 21 environmental impacts on minority and low income 22 populations.
23 So on these last slides you've seen now what 24 the impact levels are that we'll use to describe here 25 in the DSEIS.
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12 1 Next slide. As a part of the environmental 2 review, the NRC staff considered cumulative impacts.
3 Cumulative impacts include the effects on the 4 environment from other past, present and reasonably 5 foreseeable future human actions.
6 These effects not only include the 7 operation of Sequoyah Nuclear Plant but also impacts 8 from activities unrelated to Sequoyah, such as future 9 urbanization and energy producing facilities in the 10 area and also climate change.
11 The analysis considers potential impacts 12 through the end of the current license term as well as 13 a 20-year license renewal period.
14 The cumulative impacts on all resource 15 areas were found to be small with the following 16 exceptions. First, the cumulative impacts on surface 17 water would be small to moderate primarily due to 18 long-term surface water warming associated with climate 19 change.
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13 1 the cumulative impact on global climate change would be 2 moderate, primarily due to present and future global 3 emissions of greenhouse gasses.
4 Next slide. So now that we've looked at 5 cumulative impacts we're going to take a look at the 6 site-specific impacts generated here by the Sequoyah 7 Nuclear Plant. And this slide lists those impacts that 8 the NRC staff reviewed for continued operation of 9 Sequoyah Nuclear Plant during the proposed license 10 renewal period.
11 Overall, the impacts for license renewal on 12 all these issues were found to be small, which means the 13 effects are not detectable or so minor that they will 14 neither destabilize nor noticeably alter any important 15 attribute of the resource.
16 Next slide. The National Environmental 17 Policy Act mandates that each environmental impact 18 statement consider alternatives to any proposed major 19 federal action.
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14 1 of the current nuclear power plant operating licenses 2 to meet future system generating needs.
3 In the draft SEIS, NRC staff initially 4 considered 18 different alternatives and then narrowed 5 those 18 down to four alternatives and considered those 6 four alternatives in depth.
7 Additionally, the NRC staff considered 8 what would happen if no action is taken and Sequoyah 9 shuts down at the end of its current licenses without 10 a specific replacement alternative.
11 This alternative would not provide power 12 generation capacity, nor would it meet the needs 13 currently met by Sequoyah.
14 The NRC's preliminary conclusion is that 15 the environmental impacts of license renewal for 16 Sequoyah would be smaller than those feasible and 17 commercially viable alternatives. Continued 18 operation would have small environmental impacts in all 19 areas. The staff concluded that continued operation of 20 the existing Sequoyah Nuclear Plant is the 21 environmentally preferred alternative.
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15 1 recommendation in the draft SEIS is that the adverse 2 environmental impacts of license renewal for Sequoyah 3 are not great enough to deny the option of license 4 renewal for energy planning decision makers.
5 Next slide. This draft SEIS does not 6 discuss potential environmental impacts of storing 7 spent fuel for an extended period after the plant shuts 8 down. For the term beyond the 20-year period of 9 extended operation, the NRC addresses the management of 10 spent nuclear fuel in the continued storage final fuel.
11 On August 26, 2014, the Commission approved 12 publication of the continued storage final rule and the 13 generic environmental impact statement that supports 14 it. Under the final rule the environmental impacts of 15 continued storage are generically determined in new reg 16 2157; its title is "Generic Environmental Impact 17 Statement for Continued Storage of Spent Nuclear Fuel."
18 And that information is codified in the NRC regulations 19 at 10 CFR 51.23 and therefore those impacts do not need 20 to be determined on a site-specific basis so they're not 21 covered here in our DSEIS.
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16 1 considered by the NRC staff as we develop the final SEIS, 2 which we currently plan to issue in March 2015.
3 Those comments that are within the scope of 4 the environmental review and provide new and 5 significant information can help change the staff's 6 findings. The final SEIS will contain the staff's 7 final recommendation on acceptability of license 8 renewal based on a work we've already performed and any 9 new and significant information we receive in the form 10 of comments during the comment period.
11 Next slide. As many of you know, I am a 12 primary contact for the environmental review. Manny 13 Sayoc is the primary contact for the safety review.
14 Copies of the draft SEIS are available on CD in the 15 entryway. In addition, the three libraries showing the 16 slide have a hard copy of the draft SEIS.
17 You can also find electronic copies of the 18 draft SEIS, along with other information about the 19 Sequoyah Nuclear Plant license renewal review, online 20 at the website shown. Copies of these slides are 21 available out in the hallway so you don't need to write 22 this down if you find it too long to write down. You can 23 find it right outside.
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17 1 comments received today. You can submit written 2 comments online or via conventional mail. To submit 3 written comments online, visit the website 4 regulations.gov and search for Docket ID No. NRC 5 2013-0037. If you have written comments today you may 6 give them to any NRC staff member and those comments that 7 are made, other people's comments can also be viewed at 8 regulations.gov at that Docket ID number I just cited, 9 and that's available here.
10 This concludes my presentation and I'll 11 turn the meeting back over to Bob.
12 MR. HAGAR: All right. That was part 1 of 13 the meeting, now we're in part 2. Does anyone have any 14 questions about the material that was presented? David, 15 if you would please step up here, ask your question and 16 then we'll ask the NRC staff to respond.
17 MR. LOCKBURN: Good afternoon. My name is 18 David Lockburn. I have two questions. Shall I ask both 19 of them?
20 MR. HAGAR: Why don't you ask both of them 21 and we'll let the staff decide whether they can respond 22 to both of them at once or separately.
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18 1 appreciable way because TVA is a federal entity instead 2 of a private company?
3 And the second question was regarding the 4 cumulative impacts, they were based on a projection of 5 future activities. Is there a formal process to flag 6 and address any future activities that exceed the 7 projections that were made in good faith to this point?
8 MR. HAGAR: Okay. Can you guys address 9 those separately or what? Why don't you just step up 10 here. Maybe let's take them separately. The first 11 question?
12 MR. DRUCKER: The first question was is 13 there any difference between this review and other 14 reviews we've done because TVA is a government entity?
15 And I personally have been involved with two past 16 reviews, one out at Palo Verde, not a TVA plant, one down 17 at Grand Gulf, again not a TVA plant. And no, there were 18 no differences in this review as compared to those two 19 or any others I would anticipate throughout the country.
20 The process is exactly the same.
21 MR. HAGAR: Okay. And then the second 22 question?
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19 1 is it in the future?
2 MR. HAGAR: Again give your question 3 again, David.
4 MR. LOCKBURN: This is Dave Lockburn 5 again. The question is cumulative impacts you project 6 future activities and then try to assess. And the 7 question was if those future activities differ from what 8 the estimates were or the projections were, is there a 9 formal process to flag that and address that delta from 10 what was done now based on the projection?
11 MR. DRUCKER: You're talking about things 12 changing in the future?
13 MR. LOCKBURN: That's correct, yes.
14 MR. DRUCKER: Okay. Good question. From 15 a licensed renewal standpoint, if something changes 16 during a license renewal process, that will be fed into 17 the license renewal process. And we tried to make that 18 -- I hope I made that clear that we're not done. We just 19 produced a draft. The next step is to produce the final.
20 So at any time between now and, for example, 21 this comment period that ends September 29th, or even 22 after that, if something new and significant comes along 23 and comes into my knowledge and awareness, that will 24 feed into this process.
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20 1 complete and a license is granted, that would have to 2 feed -- changes from anything, any other changes whether 3 it's cumulative or something that you're familiar with, 4 with safety, there would be other avenues that you would 5 need to feed that information to the NRC.
6 I just want to point out that from a 7 cumulative standpoint, if you turn to Appendix E in the 8 draft supplemental environment impact statement, there 9 is a list of the projects that we foresee today impacting 10 the region cumulatively. And so that's basically what 11 you would look to. If there's something different that 12 you're aware of that's not in that Appendix E, I would 13 certainly want to be made aware of it.
14 MR. LOCKBURN: Thanks.
15 MR. DRUCKER: Thank you.
16 MR. HAGAR: David, did that answer your 17 question? Very good. Does anyone else have questions 18 about the material that was presented? All right. I 19 don't see any hands.
20 So now we'll enter the third part of the 21 program, the third part of the meeting. This is an 22 opportunity for you to provide your input, any comments 23 you have that relate to the environmental impact of 24 renewing the license of Sequoyah Nuclear Plant.
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21 1 now's the time if you want to speak, now is the time to 2 raise your hand. I'll call on the people who raise 3 their hands and you can come on up here and ask.
4 All right. I see no hands and I interpret 5 that to mean that no one has any input they want to 6 provide in this meeting. So Brian Wittick, do you have 7 any closing comments?
8 MR. WITTICK: Good afternoon. My name is 9 Brian Wittick, I'm the chief of the environmental 10 projects branch.
11 First, I wanted to thank everyone for 12 coming out today. We really value everyone's comments, 13 any feedback that's provided. That's the purpose of the 14 meeting that we're having here today is to try to solicit 15 comments, insights, questions from local members of the 16 public. It's an important part of the Nuclear Regulatory 17 Commission's process or values to be open and 18 transparent and engage members of the public.
19 During the environmental impact review 20 process, we have two opportunities for engaging the 21 public. The first is when we first receive the 22 environmental report. We have a public scoping meeting 23 that was conducted about a year ago, and this is the 24 second and last opportunity for the public to provide 25 comment.
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22 1 As David mentioned, the comment period for 2 the draft environmental impact statement runs through 3 the 29th of September -- could you move back to the 4 previous slide that provides for comments?
5 MR. HAGAR: I think I can. It's kind of 6 awkward here.
7 MR. WITTICK: So we have until the 29th of 8 September for everyone to submit their comments. As 9 David mentioned, this is the process to do so. Or on the 10 slide before that David provided his email. You can 11 provide comments to any one of us.
12 And the last thing that I want to mention 13 is if you have any comments or questions but you didn't 14 feel comfortable getting up and asking, we have a number 15 of members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission staff, 16 we have Gaillard Smith who's the senior resident out at 17 the Sequoyah Plant with us and Philip is the resident 18 out at the plant right now. Bob, David, myself, we'll 19 all be around after the meeting for a time for anyone 20 that wants to engage us and has any questions.
21 Again, I thank everybody for coming out 22 today and I'll turn it back over to Bob.
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23 1 the NRC staff is going to be available after the meeting; 2 if you want to have some one-on-one conversations you 3 do that at that time.
4 And in advance we want to thank you for 5 providing feedback on this meeting and with that this 6 meeting is concluded. NRC will stand by to meet with 7 you one-on-one if you wish. Thank you all for your 8 time.
9 (Whereupon, the Sequoyah Public Meeting 10 having been concluded, went off the record at 2:29 p.m.)
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