ML12320A384
| ML12320A384 | |
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| Site: | San Onofre  |
| Issue date: | 08/11/2011 |
| From: | NRC/OI/RGN-III/FO |
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EXHIBIT 3 Case No. 4-2011-059 EXHIBIT 3
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OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS INTERVIEW
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INTERVIEW OF r
(b)(7)(C) 3 (CLOSED)
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4-2011-059
x Thursday, August 11, 2011 Marriott Residence Inn 3603 Ocean Ranch Boulevard Oceanside, California 92056 The above-entitled interview was conducted at 10:i0 a.m.
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.0 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 23 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S (10:10 a.m.)
We're on the (b)(7)(C)
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This is an interview of (b)(7)(
Today's date is August 11, 2011.
It is approximately 10:10 a.m.
The location of this interview is at the Marriott Residence Inn, 3603 Ocean Ranch Boulevard, Oceanside, California 92056.
Present at this interview are 47c (b)(7)(C) and (b)(7)(C)
This investigation involves an allegation of discrimination against a (b)(7)(C)
"i for reporting nuclear safety concerns to the NRC.
And it's reported under 01 Case Number 4-2011-059.
I want the record to reflect thati (b)(7)(C)cI signed the Appendix R
- form, which is titled NRC Advisement on Identity Protection.
And he also signed the Authorization to Release Form.
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.,as I explained off the record, the NRC 0I protocol includes the swearing in of witnesses.
Do you have any objection to being sworn in this morning?
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II do not.
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(b)(7)(C)
Can you raise your right hand?
Do you swear that the information that you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
(b)(7)(C)
I do.
(b)(7)(C)
Thank you.
- Sir, can you give for the record your full name, please?
1(b)(7)(C)
And what is your current position, sir?
(b)(7)(C)
I am currently working at (b)(7)(C) s (b)(7)(C)
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And for the record, can you spell the first name of that company?
(b)(7)C)
AE (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
Ad what are you doing at that location?
(b)(7)(C)
- Well, currently I
haven't actually worked for the last almost 45 days.
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C) is a small startup firm.
They hired me under the intent that they would have funding immediately after my hire.
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months unpaid, and eventually just started staying at 2
home and asking them to just email me odd projects.
3 So right now, at the moment, I haven't done anything 4
in the last 30 days for them.
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- Now, you 6
used to work at SONGS, correct?
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_1 Correct.
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And for the 9
- record, SONGS is an acronym that stands for the San 10 Onofre Nuclear Generating Station out of San Clemente, 11 California.
And what was your position when you 12 worked at SONGS?
13 (b)(7)(C)
My last position was the 14 (b)(7)(C) nd or, I'm sorry, 15 (b)(7)(C) 16 so long title.
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And who were you 18 employed by at the time?
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I was working forl (b)7)C) 20 (b)(7)(C)
All right.
What 21 company, though?
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I'm sorry.
Southern California 23 Edison.
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position?
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I was responsible for 3
areas.
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It was actually (b)(7 because I did have al (b)(7)(C) hat oversaw as well.
So it was (b5)(7)C)
(b)(7)(C)
I had (b)()(c) managers managers reporting to me and a supervisor as well.
(b)(7)(C)
When did you start at SONGS?
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
What was your title?
S (b)(7)(C)
I started as a (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
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(b)(7)(C)
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Okay.
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.And actually, that promotion to (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
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And during the entire time you worked at
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Correct.
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You didn't work at (b)(7)(C) or anything?
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No.
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(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
So I did travel to the (b)(7)(C)
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for meetings, staff meetings, stuff like that.
2 But my normal business wasl (b)(7)(C) 3 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
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Did you leave 7
Southern California Edison on good terms?
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Absolutely.
There were a few 9
reasons for my departure.
One was family reasons.
I 10 had a (b)(7)(C) 11 I wanted to be closer to that.
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- Secondly, more professional reason was 13 that I knew that, you know, my career was going to be 14 at Edison, and I had to differentiate myself in some 15 way.
I didn't want to be a 30-year Edison employee 16 who saw nothing else.
17 So I had this opportunity to go get some 18 external experience, and I jumped at it.
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- Now, before I went, I spoke to the 20 (b)(7)(C) at the time --
his name was Q-21 and I told him what my plans were, and I said, "Hey, 22 you know, I want to go get some external experience, 23 but my intent is to come back."
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(b)(7)(C) positions, that would be coming.
And he also told me that, you know, I was on the (b)(7)(C) at San Onofre.
He said that he would talk toOl who was the 1(b)(7)(C)
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the station at the time, to leave me on that (J, you know, for -- until I came back, which I thought was a great idea and I really appreciated that.
So I ended up accepting the position at (b)(7)(C)
And the whole time I was there II(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C) includingtýc my previous
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like I said, I left on good terms, and I had good relationships.
So I made sure that I kept those bridges intact.
And then, that was sometime around I believe it was somewhere around [
(b)(7)(C)
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.had called me at home.
She got my number from a manager I used to report to named (b)(7)(C)
She called I...C)
Jave her my number, she called me, and she told me that she had a position in her organization that she thought I would be a good fit to lead.
And she asked me if I would be interested in (b)(7)(C)
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And I thought it was perfect timing.
You
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You know, I
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left there on good terms as well.
I was satisfied with my work there, and I felt it was time toI (b)()(C)
So I came, interviewed, and I was awarded that position.
(b)(7)(C)
So b()C called you out of the blue?
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(b)(7)(C) your title atEEý
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What was (b)(7)(C)
I was the (b)(7)(C)
F (b)(7)(C) which was similar to the job at --
my last job at Edison.
I was (b)(7)(C)
- here, (b)(7)(C) same line of work.
(b)(7)(C)
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(b)(7)(C, Absolutely.
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You know, if I
(b)()(a outyCu were to go back and talk to anyone at about your time there, would I get good reviews?
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Okay.
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So good in fact that they --
I mean, they had no obligation to give me anything when I left.
But thel (b)(7)(C) who was a great guy -- his name is (b)(7)(C) he took care of me in a way that totally wasn't expected, ended up giving me a l (b)(7)(C)
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(b)(7)(C) so that's pretty significant.
And he had no obligation to do that.
It was just, you know, out of the kindness of his heart I guess.
But he was a really good guy, and he actually --
he made me offers to keep me at And, obviously, in hindsight, I'm starting to think I probably should have taken one of
- them, but he definitely -- he went out on a limb to try to keep me there.
But in the end, the draw to come (b)(7()
I (b)(7)(C) iwas pretty strong.
(b)(7)(C) i So (b)(7)(C) called you one day.
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position, which is a pretty position.
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So it was a i(b)7C) position in her organization.
She described the roles and responsibilities to me, and I had known(
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I had a great relationship with her.
She was one of those people that I
interacted with quite often, so, yes, of course I was going to jump at it, because she and I we had a great personal relationship, and I knew we had a great professional relationship.
So I figured it was going to be a great -- you know, a great opportunity for me.
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So you came 7)(C)
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She interviewed me.
They (b)(7) for an interview, and shortly after the interview she offered the position to me.
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they wanted an aggressive start date.
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They flew the I (b)()(ýC) back for a 10 (b)(7)(C) of work, and that was supposed to 11 be my turnover period.
12 And that's where that was the first 13 indication that things weren't going as planned, 14 because I didn't get any turnover from her.
When that 15 woman returned -- her name was (b)(7)(C) when 16 she returned for thati",7
ýJad her working on a 17 (b)(7)(C) 18 I'm sorry, it was a response to an 19 (b)(7)(C) sob7C as working on that the whole 20
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And she was working on it, I mean, you know, 21 10, 11 hours1.273148e-4 days <br />0.00306 hours <br />1.818783e-5 weeks <br />4.1855e-6 months <br /> a day for every day she was there.
So I 22 had no opportunity to meet with her and get any kind 23 of turnover.
So that was the first promise broken.
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Who was 25 your direct supervisor at the time?
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Okay.
Now, what we've talked about so
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(b)(7)(C)
I Is it my (b)(7)(C)
- Total experience?
Have you ever worked at any other plants or anything like that?
(b)(7)(C)
No, the only nuclear facility I have ever worked at was SONGS.
IA (b)(7)(C)
All riqht.
Do you have any military experience?
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I do.
At 18, I joined the (7
I was stationed in(
(b)(7)(C)
I 1 had an excellent military career.
Actually, a lot of people still wonder why I ever got out.
I was promoted --
I was in theI (b)(7)(C) and I was promoted four times in just my first two and a half years.
So within two and a half years I had already attained the rank ofi (b)(7)
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But in the end, I decided that my intent was to do the very best I could in four years and move on to something else.
I knew I wanted to go to college, I
had thoughts of starting a family, so that's why I ended up deciding to get out.
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Thank you fo your service, by the way.
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[You're welcome.
Thank you.
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So where we are at in the timeline is that youl (b)(7)(C) to SONGS, and you were working for b
And what events occurred?
What set of circumstances occurred that led to your allegations to the NRC?
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,(b)(7)(C) bhe is now at Eclhe selected me to It was a F (b)(7)(C)
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The original scope of that project was to 2
(b)(7)(C) 3 (b)(7)(C) got.
Okay?
4 So that was the original scope.
Pretty simple,(b()
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Can I interrupt 7
you real quick?
Now, when you say a 11 (b)(7) 8 It just for clarity for the record, you are 9
referring to some type of NRC documentation?
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The NRC issued a 11 (b)(7)(C) to the NRC, which required a 12 list 13 (b)(7)(C)
To SONGS, you 14 mean.
15 I(b)(7)(C) JOh, I'm sorry.
Yes, to SONGS.
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So that 20 was my job.
That was whatiltasked me to do.
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said, "Since we are going to revise this procedure, 2
why don't we just do it the right way up front, and 3
correct the entire procedure, and (b)(7)(C)
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said, "Great idea.
Go for it."
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resources I needed.
On that team was a woman named 7
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going to be the one to actually outline the steps of 9
the current procedure, identify the holes in it, and 10 then outline the steps of where we are going to take 11 it.
And then, I took that whole map that she created 12 and developed the procedure from it.
So she kind of 13 helped us lay that out.
She was aL (b)(7)(C) at San 14 Onofre.
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Just for the 16 record, do you know how to spell' (b)(7)(C) last 17 name?
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(b)(7)(C) 19 (Okay.
First name 20 (b)(7)(C) 21 (b)(7)(C) correct.
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Okay.
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He is the (b)(7)(C) 25 bC)(7[)(C)
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How do you spell (b)(7)(C) klast name?
Do you recall?
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(b)(7)(C) _-ame ?
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(b)(7)(C) r-.And how doeo TU spell her last name?
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So that was the core project team.
We did have some other people come in at certain times to review our progress, you know, and monitor the direction that the project was going in.
AndI (b)(7)(C) would come and sit in our project meetings.
So that project lasted --
it took quite a while.
The actual documentation phase was about three months, at which time I was, I would say, 70 percent working on the project, 30 percent working, you know, my regular nine to five job, so to speak,
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working for L So I was kind of balancing both 2
projects.
3 Now, the (b)(7)(C) had a firm 4
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So we had an (b)(7)(
date of 5
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That was a firm date.
There was no 6
missing that date, okay, because that's just --
you 7
just don't miss your I (b)(7)(C)
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knew that had to be done.
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- Now, SONGS has an expectation that if you 10 are working on an I (b)(7)(C)
-it is reviewed by the 11 Closure Review Board.
That's a panel of experts at 12 San Onofre who determine whether or not you have met 13 that commitment.
14 You have to present to them by 30 days 15 before theI (b)(7)(C)
Okay?
So essentially 16 my drop dead date wasidJ (b)(7)(C)
I can't 17 remember the actual --
(b)(7)(C)
I That was 18 the (b)(7)(C) so 30 days prior to that.
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It took a few months for the 21 actual procedure writers to draft up the actual 22 document.
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some higher level folks to review it.
That meeting 2
contained (b)(7)(C) who is the 3
for SONGS; (b)(7)(C) who represents the c
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was the SONGS (b)(7)(C)
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(b)(7)(C) 8 was invited but did not attend, and (b)(7)(C) as 9
invited but did not attend.
- Actually, didn't 10 attend any of those meetings.
She never came to one 11 of them.
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Okay.
Can I stop 13 you right there just for a second 14 (b)(7)(C)
Sure, yes.
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(b)(7)(C) just so we're 16 clear on the record?
(b)(7)(C) s1pells her last name 18 (b)(7)(C)
That's correct.
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(b)(7)(C) for 20 the record, spells her name,J (b)(7)(C)
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basically common spelli 22 (b)(7)(C)
That is correct.
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Sorry f or 24 the interruption.
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So they --
I called a meeting N.
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with them to review the final product, and everybody 2
on that panel gave me a thumbs up.
They were 3
satisfied with what I had done.
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know, a draft.
The next phase is actually getting it 6
into a procedure format.
SONGS is very specific on 7
their formatting for an actual procedure, so that took 8
it, you know, a few more weeks.
9 Anyway, I'm pushed out now on this project 10 to end of (
maybe we're talking right now, end of
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(C) 16 (b)(7)(C) into 17 my procedure.
- Now, he didn't tell me this early in 18 the stages.
I didn't learn this until later on.
So 19 Mcicalled me into his office and he had the draft of 20 the (b)(7)(C) marked up, you know, with 21 red pencil on it.
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And he explained to me 24
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as a team.
It was responsibility changes that we had 2
already committed to.
Okay?
3 So my question to him was, (C) how can 4
I -- there is no way I can get the team back together, 5
hash this all out again, rewrite it, and then get to 6
the con time.
There is no way.
It's not going to 7
happen."
And (b)
- aid, "Well, you know, this is 8
something thatJ t (b)(7)(C) would like to see."
Okay?
("C(b)(7)(C)
(
b) believe He is now the 10 (bX7)(C)
I believe.
11
- Now,
=b)(7)C) it's well known that 12
(
and[
are good friends.
They 13 worked at previous plants together.
Andu regularly 14 dropped (b)(7)(C)
[.name.
The people on that 15 project team can account to that, or can affirm that, 16 because he used it in our meetings as well.
17 (b)(7)(C)
Was this 18 basically outside the process?
19 12b)(7)(CI Oh, definitely.
20 (b)(7)(C)
What was 21 title?
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He's got his own procedure.
(b)(7)(C)
- j Right (b)(7)(C)
And essentially, I mean, now that I had an opportunity to think about it, it was about --
the changes were about getting more (b)(7)(C)
I-Okay?
And I
can elaborate on the nuances there, but I'm --
(b)(7)(C)
" And when you saw (b)(7)(C)
S(b)(7)(C)p P(b)(7)(C) b)(7)(C)
Icorrect.
So here I am, I've got obviously got a hard deadline that I cannot meet, or, I'm sorry, that I cannot miss.
If I miss this, that's a career-ender in my mind, okay?
So here are my options:
either make the corrections that
(
a)
'nd supposedlyl (b)(7)(C)
- want, okay, or I tell him no and risk whatever comes at me that way.
Or the other option is, you know, I can make those changes knowing that I will meet the commitment, and I can revise the procedure immediately after, okay?
So I chose to follow his instructions.
He's a (b)(7)(C)
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I make the changes.
The procedure gets 2
written.
I go to (C)
Okay?
3 Now, thel (b)(7)(C) 4 like I said, is a panel of (b)(7)(C) 5 (b)(7)(C)
, strong focus on the engineering guys, 6
the brains.
Historically, this is a meeting that you 7
go to, and you get ripped apart, and then you'll come 8
back and you'll probably get ripped apart a little 9
less, and eventually you will get through.
10 My procedure made it through without a 11 single question or comment from anybody on thatb))
12 Not one.
When it was over, the person --
not the 13 chair, but the gentleman who actually facilitates the 14 meeting -- his name wa he's a friend of 15 mine --
he came over to me and said, "I have never 16 seen that."
It was just something that doesn't 17 happen.
18 And I walked out of that room and I did, 19 you know,
- like, wow, I can't believe I got through 20 like that.
So came back to my desk and sent an email 21 out to the people who helped me,
- said, "Hey, great 22 job, you know, we made it through, no problems.
Thank 23 you for your support."
So I did it.
I (b)(7)(C)
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]i F(b)(7)(C)
Good job."
2 Now, the people who were affected by J
3 changes see them, and they are not happy.
Okay?
4 Mainly it was HR, (b)(7)(C)
.1and the (b)(7)(c) 5 (b)(7)(C)
They didn't like what was going on 6
in there because of the power that the 7
(b)(7)(C) had over the 8
process.
9 So they were unhappy with it, and I
10 explained to her, I
- said, "Listen, you need to 11 understand my position.
Okay?
This is no way I can 12 miss that date."
That was number one.
That's the 13
- mission, okay?
The fact that you don't like the 14 editorial -- the way it was written, I can understand 15 and I
appreciate that.
You
- know, that's your 16 position.
17 Here's the thing.
We can revise this 18 roedure today.
We can't miss that (b)(7)(C) 19 LM and then just say, "Okay.
We'll get it
-- we'll 20 do it tomorrow."
So do you -- I'm asking her to kind 21 of sympathize with me here, and she is like, "Okay.
22 I understand.
But tell me that we are going to revise 23 it."
And I said, "Absolutely.
We'll revise it right 24 away."
My job was to get thatJ (b)(7)(C)
- done, 25 and that's what I did.
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I learned this later on during my performance appraisal meeting.
You
- know, it wasn't something that she came up to me and told me right away.
And I'll get to that in this chronological order of things, but that was --
you know, that was the first project that I was handpicked for (b)(7)(C)
- okay, so and that's the whole history of that project right there.
I (bX7)(C)
Can I interrupt you for a second?
L (b)
Yes.
(b)(7)(C)
J ust so I have a better understanding of what happened here.
You were theI (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
Right.
(b)(7)(C)
I And you wenL through the process, which seemed pretty extensive, and you got through the process and you had your end product.
You had the response formulated, written down on paper, correct?
And then, 1 (b)7)(C)
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(b)(7)(C)
Correct.
I (b)(7)(C)
]Now, what I don't understand is, what did you do exactly to, you know, resolve this issue?
Did you make the changes thatr*TI (b)7)(C) lanted?
(b)()(I did.
(b)(7)(C)
-]Okay. And then you went back to the (C)
(b)(7(C)
Those changes were made before I ever got to the m
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C)
So basically, I had a finished product (b)(7)(C)
Right.
(b)(7)(C) that I was getting ready to finalize into the SONGS procedure format.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C)l
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(b)(7)(C)
All right.
I was under the impression that it had already been approved by everyone, and it was all set to go.
(b)(7)(C)
No, it was approved by that panel that I had called.
They had given me the green light.
Now
- see, if they hadn't given me the green light (b)(7)(C)
Right (b)(7)(C)
I would have done revisions and changes and then (b)(7)(C)
Sure.
{
put it into this procedure (b)(7)(C) 3Okay.
(b)(7)(C) format.
The procedure format is a very technical step, and I needed to have a solid product before I went to them, That step enabled me to go to (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
So you were almost done.
You were right --
1,-:.1C I was right there.
(b)(7)(C) at the threshold finishing it when (b)(7)(
came forward.
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IIn my mind, I was done.
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2 (b)(7)(C) j1I was ready to go, "Procedure 3
done.,"
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Sure.
5 (b)(7)(C)
And have, you know, a week or 6
so before my (C) 7
((b)(7)(C)
Okay.
All right.
8
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So that you know, that 9
project -- granted, it had its bumps in it, but I did 10 it, you know, and I --
if you look at it from what my I1 requirement was, it was to get it to the 1 and close 12 that commitment.
Mission accomplished.
Bottom line.
13 Yeah, there were bumps in the road, but mission got 14 accomplished.
15 So that wasi (b)(7)(C) selected me and 16 it drug out all the way until that (b) date.
17 (b)(7)(C)
- again, this date isn't 18 exact.
I'm estimating again.
But what I can tell you 19 is that this occurred approximately (b)(7)(C) 20 after the end of the (b)7)(C) outage that occurred, you 21
- know, (b)(7)(C) 22 That outage
- lasted, if I
remember 23 correctly, (b)(7)(C)
It was like one of the 24 (b)(7)(C)
I was the acting 25 (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(c) Jwas out of the office.
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(b)(7)(C) she came into my office and told me that her manager,J (b)(7)(C) had directed her to come down and inform me that a group of their employees were about to file a nuclear safety concern.
So I asked her, okay, what's going on?
She said that a --
one of the female employees --
her name was (b)(7)(C) had been raising concerns abouti (b)(7)(C) for weeks now, and nothing has been done.
The reason she was raising that concern is because they had just ended al (b)(7)(C)
] outage, and for those (b)(7)(C) all employees at
,were on a (b)(7)(C) 7 They had raised concerns and told their management about I
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This is a legitimate concern.
What have you guys done about it?"
"Well, nothing."
I said, "What has your management done about it?"
She said, "Nothing.
That's why they're rallying together right now, and they're going to walk over to the NRC."
So I asked her, I said, "Okay.
What do we have to do to fix this?" because I didn't know, right?
I'm aI (b)(7)(¢)
the job.
What needs to be done to fix this?
And she says that somebody needs to call over tol (b)(7)(C)
I (b)(7)(C)
I said, "Okay.
That's a no-brainer."
I know the (b)(7)(C)
His name is I said, "Okay.
Go back up to your office.
I'll be there.
You know, I'll come up as soon as I have something to tell you."
She leaves, I immediately get on the phone withl (b)(7)(C) puts me on the phone with one of his on-shift.
(b)(7)(C) and I speak to that gentleman.
I do not recall his name at this time.
But I talked to him, tell him the story, and he
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Go ahead.
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that."
I was like, "Okay, fine.
Thank you."
3 Now, this whole thing transpired in less 4
than 10 minutes, after pb( Cj eft.
I now followed 5
ath right up to her office.
6 In the cubicle when I arrived was*
(b)(7)(C) 7 (b)(7)(C) and (b)(7)(c) 8 They were sitting down inside of (b)(7)(C) 9 cubicle.
Standing outside of the cubicle was one of 10 theirI (b)(7)(C)
I.
I don't know if that's 11 his correct title, but he was a (b)(7)(c)
His name was 12 (b)(7)(C) 13 I walk into the cubicle, and the three of 14 them look at me and I say, "Listen, I just got off the 15 phone with.
(b)(7)(C)
They have removed you from 16 your I
(b)(7)(C)
- 1.
You now have the 17 flexibility tol (b)(7)(C)
Please 18 make sure you follow up with-(b)(7)(C) nd let her 19
- know, and tell the rest of your employees, so that 20 they are not concerned about this (b)(7)(C) 21 anymore."
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stood there and celebrate and I said, "You know what?
2 Don't worry about it.
If there's anything else I can 3
do, let me know.,"
And I leave.
End of story, okay?
4 So I'm thinking I just did a good thing, 5
you know, they came to me, I took care of it, no big 6
- deal, no harm no foul.
7 That wasl (b)(7)(C) or so.
I didn't hear 8
about that incident again until, you know, (C)
(b)(7) 9 discussed it with me, you know, and it was a good 10 thing, "Hey, good job" type thing.
But I didn't hear 11 about it again, like I didn't really discuss it, until 12 the 1 meeting.
- And, you
- know, I'll get there i3 chronologically.
14 So basically that occurred, and the reason 15 I'm bringing that up is because it's really it will 16 be really important later on.
So that occurred 17 (b)(7)(¢)
18 Now we get to June.
Right around 19 June 1st, (b)(7)(C) whose name is (b)(7)()
20 he is no longer with the company he was the 21 (b)(7)(C) so he was 22 (1)(7)(C)
ýOSS.
Okay?
(b)(7)(C) aeported to him.
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AndL Uproceeds to tell us that all of us had been (b)(7)(C)
I (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
Now, this (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
This was --
if I remember correctly, this was the (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
.So E
direction was that we now reported to a gentleman named (b)(7)(C)
)
(b)(7)(¢)
who was the (b)(7)(¢)
He was an
- engineer, manager in the Engineering Group.
The direction was that we now reported to him.
The team would be sequestered for the duration of the project, which was originally planned for eight weeks.
Okay?
We were going to be sequestered at the (b)(7)(C) 7 of the plant in a
conference room.
We would have all the resources we needed out there.
We were to clear our calendars.
We were to clear all other commitments, and we were to focus on this project 100 percent.
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I raised my hand and I said -- to)7)c¢I said, "Listen, I'm flattered, this is great."
I mean, I wish I knew --
they didn't name the people who I(b)(7)()
I but I said, "Wow, I wish I knew so I could thank them.
But I
am nearing the end of my (b)(7)(C) and I need to stay involved in that."
Like I said, "I'm near the end, so it's not occupying too much of my time, but I need to stay engaged."
And they said, "Fine.
We'll allow that exception.
Just make sure you work withLb)()( n, you know, time needs and stuff like that."
No problem.
So I got the green light on that and I'm thinking, wow, this is great, you know?
The
=7 (bE7I me for a project within my
) month here.
Now the (b)(7)(C) me.
This is awesome.
I didn't get that same feeling from my boss.
I'm thinking it's a
good developmental opportunity, and you get I
- mean, I'm not a
technical person.
I'm not, you know?
My business is (b)(7XC) that's my strong suit.
So at first I was kind of confused.
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t5didn't really --
it wasn't like a pat on the back, "Hey, good job type thing."
It was almost like, "Oh,
- great, you know.
Here you go again."
You know?
And I didn't really understand it, but at that point I didn't really focus on it either, because I've got another mission, right?
And I'm going to --
(b)(7)(C)
Why do you think she would feel that way?
(b)(7)(C)
- Honestly, I
think she was probably overburdened by what was going on in her division.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C)
And maybe the loss of me was too big for her to bear.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C)-
But at the same time, you know, those are things that we, as managers, we accommodate.
And when my employees get picked for things like that, I celebrate it, you know?
Whether I've got other
- feelings, or
- whatever, outwardly I'm going to celebrate it with them.
And I didn't get that from her, but it was okay.
It didn't hurt my feelings or anything, you know?
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So I started working on thatl (b)(7)(c)
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- Now, the (b)(7)(C) was supposed to go eight weeks.
3 The team leader decided, at the end of eight weeks, 4
that he was going to need another month, but he didn't 5
extend everybody.
He only selected a few people to 6
get extended, and I was one of them.
7 So I was really on that project for a full S
three months, sol (b)(7)(C)
I was on that o
I (b)(7)(C) 10 That project -- you know, after I had been 11 terminated, I got an email saying that they (b)(7)(C) 12 (b)(7)(Co so we did good, you know, and they --
13 the team obviously celebrated it without me, but, you 14
- know, I was still happy about that.
15 And I did make significant contributions, i6 and I started to realize why they put somebody like 17 myself on the team.
I was spotting errors that all i8 the technical guys, they were so close to that they 19 couldn't see.
So things that didn't make sense to me, 20 I'd raise my hand, I'm like, "I'm sorry, guys.
I 21 don't mean to hold things up, but this makes no 22 sense."
And then, we get into it, and it was like, 23 "Oh, wow, you're right.
It doesn't."
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Right.
(b)(7)(C) where I'm reading word for word.
So that's a lot of the findings I did.
And, you know, I volunteered to (b)(7)(C)
I didn'dt (b)(7)(C) 1, so I would come in on days and do the evaluations of the work groups out in the field and stuff like that.
So, you know, I had a really good time, I learned a lot on that project, and I enjoyed being there.
And it's always flattering to be on the radar with your (b)(7)(C) so that happened 1 lasted through Now, this is where the tide starts turning for me.
- (b)(7)(C) is my performance appraisal
- meeting, okay?
- Now, you know, I'm going to rewind just a little bit, because there is another really important factor.
had between March and June --
between March and June I had maybe two one-on-one meetings with in which she told me she wasn't happy with the performance of the team, the team in general, like the C4 She wasn't happy with some aspects of some of the projects they were working on and the team environment, you know, the trustworthiness and the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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When you sayW, what do you mean?
(b)(7)(C)
That' s the (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
Oh.
That's the (b)(7)(C)
-`1 (b)(7)(C)
- j Okay.
S(b)(7)(C) i Now, granted, she was right.
I
- mean, there was a
lot of disjointed or, I'm sorry, there was a lot of disconnection between the leadership team.
There was issues with trust.
But those were there before I got there.
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
So due to that (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
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The first survey that was done, 7sasI (b)(7)(C)
I.
Okay?
She has been in that (b)(7)(c)
(b)(7)(C)
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So the work environment issues were there 2
before I got there.
So the reason I'm bringing this 3
up is
- because, yes, she did have meetings with me 4
where she said, "Hey, you know what?
I'm not too 5
happy with what's going on here."
But it wasn't ever 6
it wasn't ever, this is what you're doing 7
wrong."
It wasn't ever, "Here is a document.
You 8
need to sign this, outlining what you did wrong, and 9
what you need to do to improve."
There were 10 conversations that she and I had manager to manager, ii and she made mention to me being distracted at work, 12 you know?
13 And this is you know, and I got upset 14 one day with her when she said that, because she knew 15 a little bit -- she knew exactly what was going on in 16 my personal life.
I had I had a
(b)(7)(C) 17 (b)(7)(C)
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the
- time, okay?
(b)(7)(C) 18 (b)(7)(C) and this is the first time that I had ever 19 experienced anything like
- that, right?
- Well, 20 actually, at the time she gotf (bX7)(C)I 21 (b)(7)(C) :
Long term now, sorry.
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To best honest with you, at that time, I 2
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C) and that was kind of the 3
conflict betweeni (b)(7)(C) t the time.
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Okay.
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Correct.
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.iD issues at 11 home?
12 (b)(7)(C)
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And it had a huge impact 13 and I'm you know, it definitely impacted me at 14 work.
But during that time, you have to remember that 15 I was on the (b)(7)(C) that I completed 16 successfully.
I was on the (b)(7)(C) that 17 I completed successfully.
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- Actually, I calledlPF~ rom the (b)(7)(C) when it happened.
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Don't worry about it."
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you seem to be distracted at work,"
I looked at her and I said, J
you know exactly what is going on in my life,"
you know?
And I said, "I think it's really insensitive for you to say that."
And she goes, "Oh, well, that's not what I'm talking about."
She kind of like skirts the issue.
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So I bring that up, because I know that
.ng to say that she had meetings with me, but really informal.
There is no documentation loyee file on any of that.
I never signed So
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Was there 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 documentation in your personnel file?
(b)(7)(C)
No.
Zero.
In the (b)(7)(C) that I have worked at San Onofre, I have never gotten a disciplinary letter.
Ever.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C) j] So now we get to my performance appraisal meetingi (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
You said I before.
(b)(7)(C)
I Okay.
"bC You know what?
I skipped a date.
I skipped an important date (b)(7)(c)
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
Q (b)(7)(C) ] I just remembered.
(b)(7)(C)
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meetings where the work groups get together and they 2
discuss different topics.
3 Managers are encouraged to go to other 4
work groups' stand-up meetings and observe them and 5
participate in them.
I decided to go to 6
(b)(7)(C) I and it can be (b)(7)(C) 7 (b)(7)(C) for the stand-downs.
8 In that meeting, the employees talked 9
about various things, and at the end of the meeting 10 they have an opportunity for an open forum.
When the 11 open forum started, the employees started engaging me 12 immediately.
This is the same group that thinks 13 (b)(7)(C)
Okay?
So 14 they were getting ready to go to the NRC, I
came 15
- upstairs, said, "Hey, everything is fine."
Their 16 management went and briefed them, and they found out 17 that, hey, it wasw (b)(7)(C) Twho did it.
18 So this same group now sees me at their 19 stand-up meeting.
They start unleashing.
I took a 20 list of their concerns, okay, and I told them, I said, 21 "Listen, I don't have the answers for all of this 22 right now, but I'll work with your management and 23 we'll --
we will respond to you.
I commit that to 24 you."
Okay?
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again?
2 (b)(7)(C)
Yes.
3 (b)(7)(C)
What was their 4
concern?
I thought you helped them out with the work 5
hour issue.
What were --
6 (b)(7)(c) 7Their concern was, next outage, 7
what is going to happen?
Their concern is, what are 8
we going to do now?
How are we preparing?
How is our 9
management preparing to avoid this same mistake for 10 the next outage that's coming?
11 So they still had work hour issues.
They 12 had some solutions as well.
They had concerns about 13 the work environment.
They felt that their management 14 wasn't responsive to them, didn't follow through with 15 them, didn't stand up to their commitments.
I mean, 16 these were all -- all the issues, I mean, and I'm just 17 sitting there writing this stuff down.
Okay?
18 And like I said, I couldn't --
I didn't 19 want to put myself on a soapbox and commit to these 20 people that, "Hey, I'm going to solve all this stuff,"1 21 but what I did was I told them, "I'm going to work 22 with your management, I'm going to discuss all of 23 these issues with them, and I will make sure that they 24 get addressed and that they follow through with you.
25 I will commit that.
I can do that."
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So they were satisfied with that, because 2
I -- they had already seen me in action once, right?
3 Had I known what was going on then, had I know, you 4
know, their view of me at that point, I would have 5
told them, "Hey, guys, I didn't do anything.
I just 6
made a phone call," right?
7 So the real person who fixed that was (C) 8 you know, that (
who kept raising her hand, 9
you
- know, who stood up when people when her 10 management didn't answer, she raised her hand again.
11 And when they didn't answer, you know, she kept it 12 going.
She is the one who needed to be celebrating, 13 not me.
-14 So anyway, they gave me their concerns, I
15 write it up.
That happened (b)(7)(C)
The next day 16 I sent an email tol (b)(7)(C) and I cc'd (7c) 17 and I tell
- them, "I attended the W stand-up, here 18 are the list of concerns that came out of there, these 19 are my recommendations,"
and I closed the email by 20 saying something --
I said, "I would be happy to help 21 (b)(7)(C
, you know, work through any of these 22 issues if needed, and I will make myself available.
23 Thank you.
(b)(7)(C) 3 I send that email out.
24 That same day sked me to meet her in 25 her office, and she says to me that (b)(7)(C)
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feels that I'm trying to be some kind of superhero 2
now.
Okay?
And then she says that they don't need me 3
working on their problems, and she said that she does 4
not want me addressing any concerns from 5
employees.
6 (b)(7)(C)
What was your 7
response?
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I asked her, I said, I
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it's 9
irrelevant who they go to.
It doesn't matter who they 10 go to.
We should be happy that they are going to 11 somebody."
I said, "What's important is that we 12 address their concerns."
It doesn't matter who they 13 bring them to, but we fix their concerns, we fix their 14 issues, we follow up with them, and we regain their 15 trust in management."
That's the problem here, not 16 who they go to.
I said, "It's irrelevant."
17 And she said she repeated herself 18
- again, "I do not want you addressing the concerns of 19 any r
employees."
And I was --
I was just beside 20 myself.
I was extremely angry, I was frustrated, and 21 I know that when I'm like that I need to just shut up, 22 cool off, and come back later, so I said, "Okay, 23 fine," and I left.
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Very matter-of-factly.
I F5b-)(7)--l wouldn't say she was angry.I C) roesn't get -- very rarely does Ufget angry, like I have only seen her like that maybe a handful of times.
But she can be very matter-of-factly.
And when she --
I mean, just very stubbornly, like there is no -- when she says it in that manner, you know that no matter what you say it's not going to change.
So you are kind of pushing a rock up a hill.
It doesn't --
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
I (b)(7)(c)
I --
it's not going to be any good.
(b)(7)(C)
I understand.
(b)(7)(C)
So I tried.
I pushed back that one time.
She repeated herself.
I said fine.
Fine.
You know, I just let it go.
I had bigger things to worry about.
You know, again, this isI (b)(7)(C)
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I'm still thinking I'm[
(b)(7)(C) l you know.
Whatever.
Fine.
(b)(7)(C)
PDP meeting.
Now we get to (b)(7)(C)
I apologize for that.
In the PDP
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her last named is spelled,(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
L_.
(b)(7)(C)
-she provided me with a copy of it.
I asked her, "Hey, do you still have a copy of that?"
And I gave a copy of that to (b)(7)(C) the (b)(7)(C)
For whatever reason, I thinkleither shredded it or I don't know if it got lost or whatever, because I did one of those Freedom of Information Act forms to get all those documents, and it wasn't there.
But if you ask]I (b)(7)(C) she may still she may be able to provide you with that.
So just a little piece of information for you.
(b)(7)(C) title is (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
I believe so, yeah.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)7)C)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C)
St So now, are you sure the (b)(7)(C) name his last name was (b)(7)(C, p
Correct.
(b)(7) f I --
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(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
All right.
2 (b)(7)(C) 3 (b)(7)(C)
He is not one of 4
thel (b)(7)(C) right?
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I thinki (b)(7)(C) lis the 7
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Right.
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okay.
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He works under Ec 11 Sorry, wrong title.
12 Okay.
SoI (b)(7)(C)
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It's my performance appraisal, and I'm 14 reading it.
And it's got --
I mean, she slammed me on 15 it.
I mean, just slammed me.
She wrote first 16 thing --
first poor performance example she wrote in 17 there was the (24-hour shift incident that I just 18 told you happened in
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had 21 demonstrated poor judgment in handling of that 22 situation, because I
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have never came off of (b)(7(C) if I didn't 2
follow up with them.
So I --
I blew up, and I said, 3
"Where did you get this information from?"
I said, 4
"Who told you this?"
And she's like, "Well, I can't 5
tell you that."
I said, "This is a flat-out lie."
I 6
- said, "Who told you this?"
And that's when she said 7
O(b)(7(C, okay?
8 Now, this name is going to come up quite 9
a bit.
She said, (b)(7)()
isaid that you never 10 followed up with us."
And I said, M 3that is a
11 flat-out lie."
I said, "When I made thel (b)(7)(C) 12 I walked up there and(b)(7)(C) as sitting her 13
- office, (b7c) as sitting in her office,4C 14 (b)(7w(C) was sitting in there.
(b)(7(C) w 15 standing outside.
This is exactly what I said to 16 them, this is exactly what they said to me, and I 17 walked away.
That is a lie.
I want it investigated.
18 And if it's substantiated, I want to see disciplinary 19 action taken against D
20 And whoa, flustered, sits back in 21 her chair.
As I am talking, she is deleting that from 22 the electronic version of my[(.
Okay?
And you can 23 confirm that by looking at the M, at the very last 24 page it's time stamped, date and time stamp of every 25 edit that has ever happened to it.
(b)(7)(C) you'l l
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see an edit around 4:15, 4:16 p.m.
That is when she 2
deleted it.
3 (b)(7)(C)
And that will be 4
shown in your --
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yes.
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(b)(7)(C)
On the hard copy?
(b)(7)(C)j 8
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Yes.
So basically, when a 9
manager does it, what happens is the managers complete 10 the document and it gets a time stamp for when it was 11 completed.
And then you issue it, okay?
12 You'll see an extra time stamp in there, 13 after she completed it, on the day of my performance 14 (b)(7)(C you'll see an extra time stamp.
That 15 was her deleting it.
There was no reason to be in the 16 document during the meeting.
There isn't.
She opened 17 it back up while I was talking and deleted it.
18 Then, she took the hard copy from me, and 19 without thinking I gave it to her willingly, okay, 20 which I shouldn't have done.
21 So anyway, she says --
she backsteps and 22
- says, "Okay.
- Well, I will look into it."
And now at 23 this point I'm just angry, right?
24 The next thing I read is another example 25 of poor judgment where she says that I recommended --
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I recommended an employee for a high grade on their 2
performance appraisal that didn't align with the rest 3
of management or 1E)Jxpectation.
4 Here is what happened with that.
We were 5
in what's called a
calibration meeting.
- Okay, 6
calibration meetings, HR leads the meeting.
Our 7
meeting was led by (b)(7)(C)
Jand a woman her 8
name will hit me in a second (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C) 9 (b)7)(C) 77-She is from corporate.
Our meeting was 10 chaired by both of those people.
11
- Now, in this calibration meeting, you get 12 all of the managers, right?
And the purpose of the 13 meeting is to have an open forum where we can discuss 14 people who don't report to us.
Okay?
15 So that manager has (b)(7)(c) orking f or 16 them, "But hey, you know what, I interacted withe 17 (b)(7)(C) and this is what I asked him to do and he did 18 a great job."
You should know that, right?
That's 19 what this meeting is for.
Or, "I interacted with ft 20 and he did a poor job.
This is why."
So that 21 manager knows and he can kind of calibrate the grades 22 that you give these people.
23 So a girl named --
her name was 24 (b)(7)(C)
L(b)(7)(C) 25 something like that, her name came up.
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she has been at San Onofre, you know, I don't know, less than two years, something like that.
She is young, motivated.
She is one of those go-getters.
She reminded me of what I was when I first started there, okay?
You can ask her to do anything, and she will far exceed your expectations.
She is one of those types.
When her name came up, I
immediately raised my hand, and I had examples of stuff()7C) had done for me, how she had gone above and beyond what I had asked.
And I recommended her for an [fl, which is anj (b)(7)(C)
I Okay?
I said, "I think, hands down, she deserves anMW" okay?
1)mmediately interjects and says, "No.
She is too new to get an["
And I said, "Well, you know what?
I disagree with that 'too new' logic."
I said, "This appraisal period is for six months.
She was in this job.
She performed this role for six months.
I'm evaluating her for that."
Okay?
And F(C said, "No, she is not getting an 1
That's not --
you know, she is too new to the job," blah, blah, blah, we disagree.
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interaction.
I say this, you say that, whatever.
2 Okay?
3 It's an open forum.
You're supposed to 4
express your opinion.
That's what I did.
5
.Lwrites that in my as an example of 6
poor performance -- or poor judgment, because I didn't 7
align with her.
Okay?
And I'm just like --
I'm 8
dumbfounded by this one.
I'm just like, whatever, you 9
know, I'm not even going to argue with this.
10 Then, she writes in there things about how 11
-- this is actually a really good one.
A gentleman 12 namedI (b)(7)(C) jj-okay, I'll tell 13 you more about him later --
but in my m r if I
14 remember correctly, this is in there --
she wrote how 15 I failed to process a pay decrease for him as a result 16 of a demotion that he had received.
Okay?
17 Vjdid ask me repeatedly to process a pay 18 decrease for this gentleman, repeatedly, like four or 19 five times.
Okay?
And I never did it.
And the 20 reason I never did it is because every time she asked 21 me I would tell her that l(C)--
(c)--
doesn't 22 report to me in SAP.
SAP is the system we use at San 23 Onofre.
He doesn't report to me in the system.
24 Therefore, I have no rights in the system to effect a 25 pay change.
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He reports to(
I said, "You need to 2
initiate this.
I can follow through, but you need to 3
initiate it."
And she ignored me every time I said 4
that.
5 Finally, I go to]
(b)(7)(C) who 6
is a (b)(7)(C)
I and I talk to her 7
about it.
I said, (b)(7)(C) am I able to change 8
(b)(Z)(C)
ýay?"
And she says, "Does he report to you?"
9 I said, "No."
She said, "No."
I said, "Will you help 10 me explain this to And ýP knows this; she is 11 just being stubborn.
She was thel (b)(7)(C)
Ifor 12 like b((
prior to this role.
She knows this.
13 e(b)(7)(C)explains it to her.
Still nothing.
14 I ended up hiring al (b)(7)(C) manager, okay, who 15 (71as transferred to.
Okay.
So b)7)C)o longer 16 reported to.
he reported to the (b)(7)(C) manager.
17 His name is we call him F(b)(7)\\
He's got a very 18 difficult name.
His first name isi (b)(7)(C) 19 (b)(7)(C)
His last name is (b)(7)(C) 20 (b)(T)(C)
P We call him.-
21 So ow reports to (b)(.
I am on the 22 95001 team, sequestered.
I tell
(
"Hey, this is 23 what's going on.
I need you to -- you know, when you 24 get on board, you need to demote you need to 25 process his pay action."
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- Now, an extended period of time had 2
passed, 4 got upset because it took us so long, 3
so he is like up in arms about it.
You know, he is 4
giving all kinds of crap to (C) s (b)(7)(C) 5 is mad at me for not doing it, I tell couldn't 6
have done it.
He reported to you.
He never reported 7
to me."
And you can confirm all of this just by 8
pulling (7(
pay --
or, I'm sorry, work history, 9
and you'll see that he reported to491*
never 10 (b)(7)(
There is no way I could have done that, 11 but it was on my J.
12 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
13 (b)(7)(C)
So 7lends up doing it, and 14 she says that
- was too new, 5s a new manager,
".5 he should have never had that type of responsible.
16 That's B.S.
as a
(b)(7)(C) 17 (b)(7)(C) 18 (b)(7)(C)
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19 He has managed people.
He knows how to do this.
This 20 was a no-brainer for him.
She is trying to make it 21 seem like it was some great big project or some great 22 big task, and it wasn't.
She wrote that in my :(7)).
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was going on in my life at this time.
- Yeah, I admit 2
that I was distracted, but all of this stuff isn't 3
this isn't true.
This isn't relevant.
And I just 4
feel it's really unfair."
5 And she says, "Well, I'm excluding that 6
piece of it, your personal piece of it."
And I'm 7
like, what?
I was like, that makes no sense to me, 8
but, you know, I was -- honestly, I was just I had 9
it at that time.
I was just like, you know what?
I'm 10 just done arguing.
11 So she says -- the meeting ends.
It kind 12 of got derailed after the whole!
(b)(7)(C) thing.
13 Everything after that was really quick fire, right?
14 So it ended with her saying to me, "I'm going to 15 investigate the!
incident.
I'll get back 16 to you on that."
I said, "All right, fine."
I sign 17 the document, and I leave.
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- now, 19 right?
That night I send her an email and I say, 20 "Number one, I don't want you investigating this.
I 21 want employee concerns to look into it.
I want you to 22 keep your hands off of it.
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Fine."
That wasI (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
What was your rating on your evaluation?
(b)(7)(C)
Oh, she gave me a
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)(7XC)
You get E for exceptional, C
for commendable C
is basically average, NI for needs improvement.
And you get two grades, one for behaviors and one for actual -- I don't know what the term is that they use.
It's like the work performed and your behaviors.
So I got aI (b)(7)(C)
Ifor behaviors and anrfor work, or something like that.
I don't remember the exact combination, but I did get an (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
I.
That happenedI (b)(7)(C)
I get back to my desk, south end, right, I'm still on the
- project, I see an email froml (b)(7)(C) okay?
is telling me about a meeting that she had with her team led byl (b)(7)(C) i The topic of the meeting was following through, right?
And they were discussing examples of that, andl (b)(7)(C)
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following through."
2 She says, (b)(7)(C)
He came to our 3
stand-up meeting, he took these notes, and I saw him 4
in front of the cafeteria one day, and even though he 5
didn't have all the answers for me at that time, he 6
stopped me and he said, I want to talk to you 7
about that meeting.
Here is what I have done so far,'
8 and blah, blah, blah, 'Here is what I'm still doing,'
9 you know, and he followed up with me like nobody else 10 ever has, you know?
And I think that was a good 11 example."
12 So she is providing that example in our 13 meeting.
She is relaying this, you
- know, short 14 I version on the email, and she tells me afterwards that 15 after that meeting occurredLC (b)(7)(C had another 16 meeting with the employees in which she said that, you 17 know, there is only so much thatd (b)(7)C) can do to 18 help you guys.
19 And she says --
she said that they --
then 20 she told them that they needed to raise their 21 concerns.
She said, "You need to give us a chance to 22 fix it.
There's only so much that (b)(7c can do to 23 solve your problems, and you need to give us a chance.
24 And I want you to raise your concerns to your chain of 25 command first from now on.
Okay?"
So that's wha (1)(7)
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tells me.
2 And I ask -- I asked.7
-- I replied back 3
and I said something like, "Hey, did you get the 4
feeling that she didn't want you raising concerns to 5
me specifically?
Like did she say not to bring them 6
to me?"
And she was like, "Well, she didn't say that 7
we can't bring them to you, but she said to bring them 8
to our chain of command first, but everybody knew what 9
she meant," because she had started by using my name.
10 And all those --
that group, they were 11 like, "Oh, they don't want us going to 7
That's 12 what --
in their mind.
13 So when I got this, got up, walked over to 14 1(office, other end of the plant.
'It jdo you 15 know that (b)(7)(c) just told her employees that they 16 needed to raise their concerns with their chain of 17 command first?"
And she is
- like, "Well, what's the 18 problem with that?"
19 I said, "They need to be able to raise 20 the" -- I said -- no, no, I'm sorry.
I said, "What if 21 their concern is with their chain of command?
Who are 22 they supposed to go to?"
And she goes, "Well, at that 23 point, they can go outside their chain of command."
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or the NRC.
The message that needs to be communicated 2
is that you can raise a concern to anybody."
And she 3
- said, "Well, it's" she said --
she like kind of 4
just blew me off, and I said, C9Ja few months ago 5
you told me that I can't address the concerns of a 6
group of employees.
Now you're saying it's okay for 7
that group of -- that same group to get direction that 8
they need to raise concerns through their chain of 9
command."
10 And I said, "Both of these things are 11 wrong."
And I said, "If you're not going to do 12 something about it, I'm going to the NRC."
And that's 13 when she looked at me and she said, "Well, do what you 14 have to do," okay?
And, again, I bit my lip and I 15 walked out of her office.
That happened August the 16 day after my (C)meeting.
That wasI c) 17 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
18 (b)(7)(¢1 I thought about it all day, 19 thought about it the I was hoping that she 20 would call me, say something to me,
- say, "Hey, you 21 know what?
I saw that you're right."
She never said 22 a word to me.
23 (b)(7)(C)
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you right there?
2 (b)(7)(C)
- Yes, sir.
3 F
(b)(7)(C)
Just so I can get 4
some clarifying information.
5 (b)(7)(C)
- Yes, sir.
6 (b)(7)(C)
When you got this 7
email from]
(b)(7)(C) bout this meeting she had with 8
(b)(7)(C) did:
say where it happened?
9
(, 7)C)
I don't recall that, but I can 10 tell you that all -- the majority of the meetings 1,
happen in the back of their work group.
They have a 12 huge meeting table back there that's designed --
13 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
14 (b)(7)(
for their meetings.
L E
15 (b)(7)(C)
- Now, (b)(7)(
16 is the F (b)(7)(C) 17 (b(7)(C)
That is correct.
18 (b)(7)(C)
Where does she 19 fall in the command chain with (b)(7)(C) 20 (b)(7)(C)
She reports tol (b)(7)(C) who 21 reports to 22 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
23 (b)(7)(C)
I can draw an org chart for you 24 if you need me to.
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But from the information that you
- have, 1wasn't the only person during --
at this meeting?
No, absolutely not.
(b)(7)(C)
It was --
Both --
the*
group.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C)
Yeah.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
And this occurred, it sounds like, on the or on or about (b)(7)(C)
(
I got the email on the correct.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C)
It was sent to me it was sent to me at about 3:00 p.m. on the M(b))
but when I think back it takes a while to get from the south end to F(b)(7oC)office.
The I was my I meeting.
That was it started at 4:00, so I left at 3:00.
I didn't see that email until the next day.
1 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
Okay.
Now, we're at the point now when you go to the ECP.
(b)(7)(C)
Correct.
I go --
so I take a day thinking about it, hoping that (b()omes to me.
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Never heard anything.
(
I go to the employee 2
concerns program and I meet withq (b)(7)(C) hwho is 3
the (b)(7)(C) and a gentleman named 4
E(7)(C)
He reports to I (C
I believe he is 5
a (b)(7)C) 6 I
tell both of them this whole story, 7
okay?
At the conclusion of my statement, I look 8
directly at (b)(7)(C)c He is sitting directly across 9
from me, and I telA (b)7)(C)
I said,
)7)the only 10 reason I am here is out of a matter of protocol, 11 because I am a manager and I know the steps in this 12 process.
That's the only reason I'm here.
And I'm 13 going to be blunt with you:
I do not have any 14 confidence in your team's ability to handle this 15 internally."
I said, "When I leave here, I'm going to 16 the NRC."
17 And)7)(c) said to me, he said, "Well, you 18 know what?
Thank you for being candid.
I appreciate 19 that.
And you didn't have to tell me that you are 20 going to be the NRC, but, you know, that's well within 21 your rights."
Andl5 c
is a very matter-of-fact 22 type person.
That's exactly how he speaks.
And that 23 was the end of the meeting.
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(b)(7)(C) j Oh, really?
(b)(7)(C)
- It's right down the hall.
(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
(Ib)7)oC)
I Okay?
So it's on the floor.
I IM b() Okay?
(b)(7)(C)
I (b)(7)(C)
I I(b)(7)(C)
I I went back to the south end, and I called Greg from my cell phone (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
I -- later on that afternoon.
(b)(7)(C)
I Going back to this meeting that you had witd (b)(7)(C) and (b)(7)(C) did you tell them the nature of your complaint?
(
What do you mean?
(b)(7)(C)
- Well, when you went to them and you said, "Well, I'm doing this only as a matter of protocol, and then I'm going to go to the NRC"
<(b)(7)(C)
- IYeah, I
that was at the end.
I told them everything, yeah.
(b)(7)(C)
So you S(bX7)(C) JYeah.
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conscious work environment issue where I was told not 2
to address concerns, where the employees were told not 3
to raise
- concerns, except through the chain of 4
command.
5 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
6 HAnd I also told them a lot of 7
the work environment issues that I was having with 8
So I laid --
I just laid everything out, but I 9
made sure that I
focused on the actual safety 10 conscious work environment issues.
11 So that's the same statement I gave to 12 Greg.
I laid everything out, all the environment 13 issues with 7
and the safety conscious work 14 environment issues.
15 I ended up getting a letter from the NRC 16 and ECP.
The NRC basically documented all of my 17 allegations and, you know, the ones that they have no 18
-- that they don't handle, they just said, "Hey, this 19 isn't an NRC issue," right?
So all of the --
20 (b)(7)(C)
Right.
21 (b)(7)(C) issues that I had with my 22 boss.
23 (b)(7)(C)
What did the 24 letter from the ECP say?
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weren't able to substantiate that -- they weren't able 2
to substantiate my claim that the employees were told 3
not to raise concerns to me.
That's not what I told 4
them.
5 But they said that they did --
they were 6
able to determine that a manager gave the perception 7
that they had that the employees had to raise 8
concerns to their chain of command, and that was the 9
same statement that the NRC said.
"We weren't able to 10 substantiate, but our investigation shows that a
11 manager gave --
may have given that perception."
12 But neither answered the question about 13
(
telling me that I
couldn't address their 14 questions, because it was a one-on-one, so it was a he 15 said/she said, you know?
So I guess I just lost out 16 on that.
But, you know, "Can't substantiate, but we 17 determined that it was -- a perception was given."
18 So I don't know what that means, how much 19 weight that holds, but that's the response I got.
20 So that was the (b)(7) right?
(C) 21 (b)(7)(C)
Yes.
22 (b)(7)(c)
Okay.
So now we get into 23 September.
This is where everything just starts going 24 downhill.
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whatsoever.
She starts to cancel all leadership team 2
meetings where I would normally get face time with 3
her.
Just completely absent, okay?
4
- Now, this in this month, in my mind --
5 now, the site has a policy, which I can share, that (b)-
6 says that employees who get an(j7) in their mid-year 7
2010 will be receiving a (b)(7)(C) 8 and the manager who issues that J(b) has to work with 9
employee relations to develop that 10 A
(b)(7)(C) is where they put you on this E l for lack of a better term, 12 for (b)(7)(C) 13 14 15 (b)(7)(C) 16 17 18 (b)(7)(C) and no harm no foul.
Okay?
19 So in my mind I'm thinking,
- wow, I'm --
20 this is going to be the (b)(7)(C)
Iim 21 going to get on al (b)(7)(C)
, right?
22 So I don't hear from her at all.
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because I had it out.
I was reading it again, you 2
know?
3 And a gentleman named (b)(7)(
4 that'sl (b)(7)(C)
- he walks into my office and 5
says, "Hey, you know, what's going on? What's wrong?"
6 And I tell
- him, I'm like, "You know what?
I'm so 7
angry about this ())."
And I'm like, "You know, that 8
calibration meeting is supposed to be an open forum.
9 We're supposed to be expressing our opinions.
And the 10 fact that I recommendedl (b)(7)(C)*or an (7)
Cl 7
uses as an (b)(7) 11 example of poor judgment on my
([C.)
12 And he says to me, he goes, "What?
What 13 are you talking about?"
I was like, "It's right here.
14 Look.
Remember when I did that?"
He goes, "Yeah."
15 I said, "She said that that was poor judgment."
And 16 he goes, "Well, she didn't write that in mine."
17 I was like, "What are you talking about, 18 And he goes, 1b7XC)reports to me."
And I was 19 like, yeah.
He goes, "I gave her an Meon her 20 aw that and directed me to change it, but she 21 didn't say that was poor judgment on my E" 22 And I was like, "You've got to be kidding 23 me."
And he goes, "No.
I wanted to give her an 0."
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ýýb)(7)(C)eported to him, I'm recommending her for an I(iI and that he didn't say anything.
And that's why, because she had already directed him not to do that.
And he
- goes, "She didn't give she didn't write anything.
She didn't give me any negative marks because of it.
And I actually gave her one.
She made me change it."
And I was like, holy crap.
I said, "Okay.
Fine."
Now I'm thinking, now I'm being treated differently.
Okay?
So I'm like, okay, I know that I have 30 days from the issuance of my F to file a S(b)(7)(C)
I(b)(7)(C)
And, you know, to be perfectly honest with
- you, I have never been in a situation like this.
I have never had to deal with a boss in this manner.
I have never had to use these processes.
It was just all alien Lo me and all new to me, because I never --
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You know, now I'm calling HR and 2
doing all this stuff, so I had to think about it for 3
a while.
4 Anyway, that was September 13th, the week 5
of September 13th, sometime around there.
6 September 15th, I believe it was -- yeah, 7
it was right around the same week I'm in the 8
cafeteria, and (b)(7)(C) who was the then b(7cZI 9
(b)(7)(C) who I reported to for most of my 10 career at San Onofre when I was in]
(b)(7)(C) 11 is a --
he is getting ready to retire, old 12 (b)(7)(C)
, you know, he is a straight shooter.
13 This guy doesn't beat around the bush.
Taps me on the 14 shoulder and says,
(
I need to meet with you like 15 right away."
16 And when E.says
- that, it's something 17 important.
You know?
And I'm like, "Yes,
- sir, you 18 know.
Whatever you need, you know, I'll make myself 19 available."
I go to meet wit
(
n his office.
He 20 closes the door and he sits down and he looks at me 21 and he goes, "So, how are things going on with -- over 22 inF
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"It's just --
it's horrible, you know?
I go to work 2
every day looking over my shoulder."
I tell him all 3
these stories.
And he said, "Listen, the reason I 4
wanted you up here is because M
.s bashing you.
She 5
is talking very poorly about you.
She is just S
thrashing you inI (b)(7)(C) meetings in 7
front of all the other (b)(7)(C) 8 And he says, you know, "The other day she 9
was doing it, and I stood up" --
this is
- talking, 10 he says, "I stood up and I told everybody in the room, 11 I said, 'I don't know what ou(b)(7)(C) pOU're talking 12 about.
That's not the one I know.
And the (b)(7)(C) 13 I know
and he went on to provide examples, you 14 know?
15 And he basically said, you know, "I wasn't 16 going to let her do that to you."
And he says, 17 "Before I retire, I'm going to do whatever I can to 18 get you back into this before she ruins your 19 career."
And he says, "If I can't do it before I 20 retire, the first thing I'm going to tell the person 21 who replaces me is to get you back into this 22 (b)(7)(C)
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me.
This is a guy that I respect a ton, and he is, 2
like I said, a straight shooter.
You know, he is 3
he stands by what he believes, you know.
And it 4
doesn't matter who he is up against, he is going to 5
stand up.
6 So it meant a lot to me, and I said, 7
f you know what?
I really appreciate that.
8 Thank you."
And that's when it really hit me what was 9
going on, you know.
That's when I knew, okay, this is 10 bad.
11 So, and I can give you --
like I 12 said, he's retired.
Right now he lives still in 13 (b)(7)(C)
I I can provide you with contact information 14 if you need it, or you can get it from the company.
15 But em you know, it never happened, obviously, 16 because I was terminated I (b)(7)(C) later, but, you 17
- know, he basically gave me a warning, you know?
So 18 that happened mid-September.
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It was just -- you know, I was 21 still dealing --
still had a lot of emotional issues 22 from the (b)7)(C)
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that.
2 (b)(7)(C) or somewhere around there, 3
maybe F or, you know, somewhere around there, like 4
before the i
I deadline, I called 5(b)(7)(C)
She is the[:
(b)(7)(C) for the 6
(b)(7)(C) process.
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- Now, I have known since I was in 8
She was very good friends with my first boss 9
when I got into management.
I knew her like --
I 10
- mean, I consider her a friend.
I called her, and I 11 explained to her what was going on.
12 And I said, "Listen, this is what (b)(7) wrote in my J.
This is what id.
He didn't get 14 anything in his PDP.
So to me, I feel like I'm being 15 treated differently, so I want to focus that.
I want 16 that stricken from my P
And I also need help 17 opening dialogue with my boss.
I want to fix this 18 relationship.
I need to do something about this,"
19 right?
20 So now I'm using the process to try to 21 help --
to get some help.
C)csays to me, "Well, 22 listen, I need to talk to my boss to determine whether 23 or not you can actually even focus that issue."
And 24 I said, "Okay, fine.
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10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 around the (b)(7)(C)
I" I didn't hear back from her for the next few days.
I did call her repeatedly, left voice mails.
Now we get tol (b)(7)(C)
One of the commitments that San Onofre made to the NRC in response to the chilling effects letter was the -- was having group meetings with different work groups that reported to you, without their supervisor or manager present, just the employees, right?
So you had the higher level manager.
They're called skip level meetings.
Okay?
So I'm the
- manager, I
skip their supervisor, and I go straight to the employees.
That was one of the commitments that we made.
So I'm having that (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7 that reports t (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
Ithat I still have on complaints that they had in regards to F (b)(7)(C) in regards to her treatment of them, in regards to her leadership, regards to how -- the work environment under her.
(b)(7)(C) all different employeesl (b)(7)(C)
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At the conclusion of that meeting, I go to 2
office and I say, (b)7)(c) we've got an issue."
I 3
- said, "This group is about to implode."
I said, 4
"They've got several issues with
(
I recommend 5
that we contact the employee concerns program and 6
start what they call the early intervention process,"
7 something new that they have kicked in where if you 8
identify these issues early on, get us involved, then 9
we can help address them before it blows up into 10 something big.
11 So (7says, "Okay, yeah, go ahead.
Do 12 what you've got to do," just like nonchalant, never 13 even asked any details or nothing like that.
And I'll 14 get to why later on or at least my reasoning why.
15 So I'm like, okay, fine.
You know?
The 16 relationship between us is already strained.
I mean, 17 it's already the end of the month.
I haven't heard 18 nothing about my (C)
There has beenJ (b)(7)(C) 1 9 1
(b)(7)(C) 20 so far.
21
- Anyway, I cal (b)(7)(C)
He is the 22 only person I know over there, right? Well, he is the 23 only person I have interacted with lately.
I call 24 1C I leave him a voicemail, and I say, 25 here is what's going on, here is the situation.
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going L (b)(7)(C) tomorrow.
Here is my personal cell 2
phone number.
Please contact me, so that we can 3
discuss this.
I will be --
make myself available."
4 Hung up the phone with him.
5 I called (b)(7)(C) rne more time, and 6
I said, I haven't heard back from you.
I'm 7
going onl (b)(7)(C)
I. Here is my personal cell 8
phone number.
Please call me and let me know what's 9
going on with the focus."
Okay?
10 I
go on
((¢ (b)(7)(C) 11 (b)(7)(C)
I return to work on the R
12 J
(b)(7)(C)
I oesn't even look at me.
- Normally, 13 you come back from a
. your boss says, "Hey, 14 how are you doing?
How was it?"
Nothing.
Okay?
15 I
had no message from or 16 (b)(Z)(C)
Neither one of them called me back or 17 emailed.
Okay?
So I got nothing.
18 I am at my wit's end.
I reach out to the 19 only other person I could think of calling and that's 20 (b)(7)(C) okay?
And I already have a bad taste in 21 my mouth about j but I didn't know who else to 22 call.
So I called and I say, e*c listen, I 23 really need to talk to you about what is going on over 24 here."
25 And p
- ays, "Hey, is round?"
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I was like, "Yeah, he's somewhere."
And he goes, "I
2 really need to talk to E And I was like, "All 3
- right, Well, I'll let him know, but I really 4
need to, you know, talk to you about" "Oh,
- hey, 5
hey, you know what?
I've got to go right now.
Let's 6
-- can we talk later?"
He goes, "I'll give you a call 7
later on."
Click.
Hmm, just hangs up.
8 And I'm like two hours later I
got 9
fired.
10 (b)(7)(C)
Who fired you?
11 (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
- Now, the termination 12 meeting -- I walk in and it'sJ (b)(7)(C) j 13 and(
sitting in the office, or sitting in the 14 meeting room.
I sit down and*JTsays, "This is a
15 disciplinary meeting," and I said, "Okay."
16 (b)(7)(C)
Did you know it 17 was coming?
18 (b)(7)(C)
No.
I had no idea I
was 19 getting fired.
I thought this was the meeting for my 20 (b)(7)(C) 1 Okay?
That's what I 21 thought I was walking into.
22 (b)(7)(C) 7
-n All right.
23 (b)(7)(C)
Okay?
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you know, I had a feeling something was going to 2
happen.
3 So I walk in there, and when I saw I
4 was like, all right, I
know where this is going.
5 Okay?
She didn't need
))
here to be put on a
6 1
(b)(7)(C) okay?
So that was my 7
first indication.
8 I
sit down and she
- says, "This is a
9 disciplinary meeting,"
and she said that, you know, 10 since -- she goes, "I documented some issues with your 12 performance under theI (b)(7)(C)
-- or on 12 yourI (b)(7)(C) and since 13 then I haven't seen any improvement.
And because of 14
- that, I am terminating your employment."
15 And I look at her, I said, "Okay."
She 16 hands me my check.
I give her my gear.
They take me 17 to my office, we talk about some logistical issues 18 about getting me offsite, she tells me I'll get a 19 letter in the mail about my benefits, and that was the 20 end of the meeting.
21
- Now, myI (b)(7)(C)
Okay?
22 I went onI (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
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not a single meeting with her.
Zero face time with 2
her.
And there was no evaluation of any of my --
I 3
- mean, without any kind of face time, how was she 4
evaluating me?
Like she there was no way for her 5
to even know what I was what was going on?
6 But what I do know is that the day after 7
my I I
told her that I was going to the NRC.
I told 8
(b)(7)(C)
I was going to the NRC.
9
- Now, here is the funny thing.
You know, 10 I will give you all the names of people that will tell 11 you that I was one of the best employees they ever had 12 at San Onofre.
Okay?
And I'm confident that that's 13 what they'll say.
14
- the (b)(7)(C) 15 bc)at the time --
now, they have changed it since 16 I left.
But the procedure at the time -- and it's not 17 a guideline, it's not a policy, it's a procedure.
18 Procedures are meant to be followed step by step, 19 right?
20 At the time, it required the review of a 21 (bX7)(C)
Okay.
My problem with the 22 (b)(7)(C) 1when (b)(7)(C) 23 was that it is (b)(7)(C) 24 Ib)(7)(C)Iokay?
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an employee, go and complain to right, I go 2
and bring my complaints to
- him, my
- issues, my 3
concerns, he is the F (b)(7)(C) 4 that determines whether or not I get (b)(7)(C) 5 That was one of the things that
- cjaanted, and I 6
didn't.
I wanted corporate HR, I wanted somebody 7
completely unbiased in that process, somebody who 8
wasn't at SONGS, to oversee that.
But I didn't get 9
it.
10 So right there, that's like the police 11 department arresting you and convicting you.
It makes 12 no --
it made no sense.
13 1
(b)(7)(C)
Do you even have 14 that action, have a third party decide your fate?
15 (b)(7)(C) 3 No.
No.
But here's the crazy 16 thing is thatIcead to convince more than one person 17 that my performance was so poor in the 20 days after 18 my I
that a
(b)(7)(c) employee with a
perfect 19 employment record at SONGS, who was handpicked for 20 multiple projects, she had to convince these people 21 that I didn't even deserve a (b)(7)(C) 22 (k
I don't know how the hell she did it, but she 23 did.
Okay?
24
- That, in and of itself, bewilders me.
25
- Now, the Law Department is an option on that board.
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They can or cannot be there.
(b)(7)(C) who is 2
thej (b)(7)(C) or San Onofre, I have also worked 3
with.
She is somebody that I would tell you would be 4
a character reference for me, but I don't know if she 5
can do that now that we've got a pending lawsuit.
6 But aside from that, I would tell you she 7
is a character witness for me, because I have worked 8
with her from the time I was an (b)(7)(C)
She has come 9
to me for everything she needed from the divisions I 10 worked for.
She and I have a great relationship.
.1 Whenever we see each other, we hug each other.
I 12 mean, so I have a hard time believing that she was on 13 that board.
If she was, I'd be really surprised.
14 But bottom line is, somehow that woman 15 convinced these people that I was bad enough to be 16 terminated.
17
- Now, if you look at Edison policies, the 18 policy will even tell you that,
- hey, when you're 19 considering somebody for disciplinary action, the 20 first thing you want to do is look at their previous 21
- history, right?
And we take mitigating factors, 22 right?
23 So, did they look at my employment 24 history? And you know what?
Those people that signed 25 off didn't need to look at it.
They know me.
Okay?
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But let's stick to the policy.
If they looked at it, 2
they would have saw that I, in (b)(7)(C) had zero 3
disciplinary actions.
Okay?
4 Considering other
- factors, all right, 5
there's other factors to consider, I guarantee you 6
tha(
ever said, s dealing with the loss of 7
hisI (b)(7)(C)
I'm willing to guarantee you she 8
never told the people that.
9 And then, lastly, how she convinced them 10
- that, let's not even put him on a
(b)(7)(C) 11 (b)(7)(C) let's just get rid of him right now, 12 that just bewilders me.
That I don't get.
13
- Now, I can tell you this.
When we went to 14 the NRC recommended that we go to mediation through 15 Cornell, right?
So when we get there -- both parties 16 agree to do the mediation.
When we get there we 17 realize that Edison has no interest in mediating.
18 They told the mediator now this is 19 where things start getting disjointed, and hopefully 20 you can get to the bottom of it, but they told the 21 mediator that I was terminated for untrustworthiness, 22 and they said, "There is no need to put somebody on a 23 (b)(7)(C)
I, because how do you 24 improve trustworthiness."
That's the first time I 25 ever heard that.
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9 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 84 And the example they gave to the mediator they gave her an example, which I can refute.
They said that (c) sked me to prepare a supervisor in my group namedl (b)(7)(C) for a disciplinary meeting that she was going to have with one of her employees.
They said that I told C that I did prepare her, but the employee, 7
told hat I did not.
So, therefore, I lied, and for that I got fired.
(b)(7)(C)
Did you say that?
(b)(7)(C)
Did I say what?
(b)(7)(C)
Did you say that you prepared her?
(b)(7)(C)
Oh, absolutely.
And I did prepare her.
Here's the story.
So (b)(7)(C) now --
okay.
As we get further down this road I'm going to put these names together for you.
(b)(7)(C) is a
(b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
She is the supervisor that that group of employees were complaining about.
Okay?
Now, at the time, we were rotating her and (b)(7)(C) through a (b)(7)(C) osition.
Okay?
So she may have been a manager at that time.
She was disciplining a woman named(
H 1 orsomething that I had no idea what was going on.
I was away on the project when it occurred, okay?
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SoJ (b)(7)(C) w it
-(b
)E(7) (E] D l
e owr 2 So lcas working (ih~C)Lold her to work 2
with me.
Sol (b)(7)(C) omes to me and says, "Hey, 3
asked me to have you prepare me for this."
"All 4
right.
No problem."
5 All right.
So I sit with her I
met 6
with her and I said, "Listen, what's going on?
Give 7
me the situation.
Let me see your fact-finding, your 8
evidence."
Okay?
The recommendation is a three-day 9
suspension, I believe it was, or a three-to five-day 10 suspension.
And my job was to prepare for the 11 actual disciplinary meeting.
12 So I do role-playing with her.
Okay?
And 13 everything is going great, right?
I'm helping her, 14 I'm giving her possible questions, recommending 15 answers, this and that.
And I told her, I said, "I'll 16 be in the meeting with you.
So if you get hung up, 17 I'll you know, I'll help you out.
I'll jump in."
i8 Everything is going great.
At the end of 19 our meeting, she says, "Oh, you know what?
I don't 20 think I can do this."
I was like, "What do you mean?"
21 And she goes, you know, "I have knownEýDa very long 22 time, and this is just a very difficult thing for me 23 to do."
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our jobs aren't always that easy.
At times you're 2
going to have to do difficult things."
And I said, 3
you know, "This is actually a very --
this one is 4
actually pretty cut and dry and simple.
This is going 5
to be good practice for you.
So I really need you to 6
kind of put that aside and step up and be the manager 7
you are supposed to be and knock this out."
8 She is like, "Okay, okay, fine."
And she 9
leaves.
This is just a couple of days before the 10 actual meeting occurs.
11 So the day of the meeting --
12 I
(b)(7)(C)
Do you remember 13 the date?
14 (bX7)(C)
(b)(7)(C) suspension was -- let me 15 look at a calendar.
It was the (b)(7)(C) 16 (b)(7)(C)
I believe it was (b)(7)C) 17 No.
Yeah.
Yeah, it had to be (b)(7)C
- Yeah, 18 because she was suspended the whole next week, so a 19 five-day suspension.
20 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
21 (b)7)(C)
I Yeah.
So my meeting with 22 u(b)(7sC) lust have been around theT (C
23 (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
24 (b)7)(C)
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with her, "Hey, how are you feeling?
Is everything 2
good?
Any questions?" this and that.
"Everything is 3
fine.
No problems."
Okay, great.
4 The day of the meeting 1
- says,
(
5 you're going to chair the meeting."
And I'm like, 6
- okay, this discipline had nothing to do with me.
7 Okay?
8 Now, I'm going to issue it to an employee 9
who knows I had nothing to do with it.
I mean, that 10 makes no sense.
She reports to (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C) 11 needs to do this.
Oh, well, U a
new 12 supervisor.
Well, how long is she going to be a new 13 supervisor for, really, you know?
And we just go back 14 and forth on it, and I'm like, "Fine, I give up.
15
- Fine, I'll do it."
Okay?
16 So (b(7)(C) omes up to L50, which is where we 17 hold most of our that's where we hold our i8 disciplinary meetings when we're going to suspend 19 somebody, because it's outside of the OCA, the Owner 20 Controlled Area, and it's easy to get the person 21 offsite from there.
22 So a long-time Edison employee.
23 She knows if there's a meeting in L50 it is going to 24 be disciplinary.
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lIc1is there, something serious is going to happen.
2 She has a panic attack.
I go into the employee 3
relations office, call the fire department.
4 The fire department comes and responds, 5
you know, try to calm her down.
I callf (
and I'm 6
like, "Listen, she a complete panic attack when she 7
saw me.
The fire department is up here." 1 cV9
.s 8
like, "Just go in there and do it."
I'm like, "All 9
right.
Fine,(c]
Bye."
You know, click.
10 So the fire department --
I talk to the 11 fire chief or the senior fireman on site, and I was 12 like, "Listen, is she okay?
This is what is about to 13 happen to her."
He goes, "Yeah, she'll be all right.
14 Don't worry about it."
He goes, "Go ahead and do your 15 thing."
16 I go in there and I tell
- her, "Listen, 17 you're being suspended,"
- blah, blah,
- blah, whole 18 meeting.
I handled the whole thing, everything was 19 fine.
You know, she didn't have -- maybe a couple of 20 questions that I was able to answer, to it wasn't a 21 big deal.
And that was the end of it.
And literally, 22 that was the end of it.
I never heard about that 23 situation again.
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That happened the 25 The next weekIalls me into her office.
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everything went fine that
- day, never said 2
anything.
Sometime the next week, before I go on 3
(b)(7)(C)
, I'm in ()(office and she says, "I thought 4
you I thought I told you to prepare (b)(7)C) for 5
that meeting."
I said, "I did.
I met with her on 6
Wednesday before the meeting."
7 And she says, "Well, (b)(7)(C) says you 8
didn't prepare her at all, so you're lying to me."
9 And I said, "Wait."
I said, "Why isn'tI (b)(7)(C) ying 10 to you?"
You know?
I said, "Why am I lying to you, 11 why isn't she lying to you?"
"Well, I have known 12 (b)(7)(C)
I have worked with (b)(7)(E) for years,"
13 blah, blah, blah.
And if she says that, then that's 14 what happened.
15 And I'm like, "Okay, I said, "What 16 I'm telling you is that I prepared her, you know?
17 There is obviously, I'm not going to be able to 18 change your mind, but I did prepare her."
You know?
19 And that was basically the end of the meeting.
I went 20 on C),
come back, and then I got terminated.
21 So that was the very last incident, but 22 that is what they used -- that's what they said at the 23 mediation as to why I got fired.
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4 5
6 7
8 9
10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 you was verbatim, pretty much, what she said to me in that meeting.
Now, here is some other factors.
EH7(
ho was ani (b)(7)(
she receivedb (b)(7)(C) at her year-end 7
performance appraisal and was put on a (b)(7)
Then, she received another*
(b)(7)(C) and continued on a
(
Okay?
(b)(7)(C
- he received -- he was put on a --
he received an(and was put on a [j prior to going on an extended (b.T)(C)
Okay?
When he returned from his (b)(7)()
, he continued on his b(
and then asked to be (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C)
=
and they allowed it.
Okay?
So he was a poor performer.
Okay?
He kept his job, though.
())I documented poor performer -- kept her job.
(b)(7)(C)
Jalso received a
(b)(7XC) and was put --
on a (b)(7)(C) and was put on al (b)(7)(C)
J.
Now, aside from that, I was going to give al (b)(7)(C) to a manager that reported to me named 1 (b)(7)(C)
Okay?
I had several issues with (b)(7)(C) prformance at first, but towards the end of like the last half of my employment period there she actually turned around --
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she really did and our relationship improved 2
significantly.
But at the time, I was going to give 3
her anL 4
1 directed me to change it to a M the 5
reason being she said, "We can't transfer her out of 6
our division if she has an (b)(7)
If you have an(
(C)()
7 the person stays, because you can't transfer your 8
trash, basically.
So she told me, change it to a 01 9
so that we can transfer her out.
10 directed (b)(7)(C) to change ii1 (b)(7)(C) fro n
(b)(7)(C)
She directed
(
to change 12 f
(b)(7)(C) was going to give (Cange 13 F
(b)(7)(C) because she was --
in C) mind, she was 14 doing a good job.
(
aid, "No, leave her in an"_
15 And thenj()directed that manager (_to 16 change one of his employees from ann to a*
17 So she's got her hands in all this stuff.
18 And if you say no to her, people know what happens.
19 She has transferred several people out of her group, 20 okay, that she doesn't she's got she's got a 21 circle of people there that she definitely protects.
22
- Now, 3as been in that group forl (b)(7)(C) 7 years.
23 Okay?
So she definitely has a circle. F (b)(7)(C) 24 and (b)(7)(Z r re definitely in that circle.
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people reported to me.
(7 id their performance 2
appraisals.
And if you pull their performance 3
appraisals, they are perfect, not a single area of 4
development to be worked on.
Right?
But if you --
I 5
- mean, if you listen to my statement and she has 6
said several
- times, "Well, (b)(7)(C) is a
new 7
supervisor.
She can't do that.
She can't do this.
8 They are new."
Right?
But yet there is no area of 9
development on their PDPs.
10 And if you pull that and see that [fl 11 wrote them, gave them glowing remarks with no areas of 12 improvement, and then you can ask her, "Well, I
13 thought these were new supervisors.
Are you telling 14 me they have no area for improvement?"
That proves 15 she protects these people.
16 (b)(7)(C) is another one of those 17 people that she protects.
(b)(7)(C) in a meeting 18 with
- lresent, told a group of employees that --
19 and I quote --
"I am so loyal to C
that if she asked 20 me to kill one of you I would."
Everybody in the 21 meeting, from what I understand, just like --
it was 22 like the record skipped and they were like --
you 23 could hear like crickets chirping outside.
What the 24 hell did she just say?
H 3id absolutely nothing.
25 There was no disciplinary action taken.
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- better, b)(7ccalls her group of employees back together and
- says, "Hey, i'm sorry.
I didn't mean to say that I would kill you.
But if she asked me to break your legs I
would."
Okay?
Ejd id no took no disciplinary action against that woman.
Okay?
Now, from what I understand,
(
has asked tol (b)(7)(C) okay?
I think that is B.S.
I think she gotE (b)(7)(C) and they just -- they are saying that.
(b)7)(C)
- hey say, asked to step down, right, but they're not calling it a
(b)(i)(C) egitimately asked to (b)(7)(C) but they call that a So it's like, I don't
- know, she's got these there is just so many inconsistencies and patterns in the things she does.
And then, after I told her that I was going to the NRC on her, I mean, it just -- everything just got worse.
I
- mean, you
- know, so there is definitely an inconsistency between terminating me for poor performance or terminating me for trustworthiness.
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I just don't know who is telling it.
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know, when there is examples of other people in the 2
division oh, and (b)(7)(C) tilso there is also 3
evidence that (b)(7)(C)
ýas lied to 4
Okay.
(b)(7)(C)"
ied to s
nd got caught 5
in a
lie about that manage b)(7)(
So if you ask (C
6 about it, he will tell you the whole story.
And he 7
called I b()Cj Iinto ~c office when
~said 8
something to him. E ould normally take information 9
from the people in her group and then act on it 10 without substantiating it.
So she did that toC 11 and (Cdid it to (C) and as like, "No, 12 time out.
GetI (b)(7)(C)
Iown here.,,
13 And (b)(7)(C)
Icame in and he said, "Okay.
14 What's the truth?"
And they vetted it out and 15 determined,
- yeah, she lied.
But what happens to 16 (b)(7)(¢)
Does she get terminated?
No.
17 All these people kept their jobs.
The 18 legitimate poor performers kept their jobs.
I mean, 19 I don't know.
I definitely --
I try to look at this 20 from an unbiased position, but it's just it's 21 difficult for me, and I just --
I don't know.
It's 22 just really hard to just understand how it happened.
23 (b)(7)(C)
When you were 24 given your mid-year, was that the only evaluation you 25 had since you (b)(7)(C)
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Correct.
It was the only one.
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Okay.
All right.
Is there anything else you want to add?
S(b)(7(C)
Unless you need names, I guess that's it.
I think you have most of them, but --
(b)(7)(C)
- Yes, we --
A-(b)(7)(C) :--
I can summarize it for you.
(b)(7)(C)
Yes, we could do some of that, and contact numbers, off the record.
IOkay.
Here is what I --
what I'm expecting is that she is going to provide you with examples of performance issues,
- right, that I can definitely refute.
I wrote out -- you know, since you contacted me, I sat and I brainstormed, and I wrote out exactly what happened in many different situations.
So I can refute a lot of it.
But even --
you know, if you look at it holistically, and let's assume that all of that stuff is
- true, it still doesn't warrant a termination.
There is no way that, in my mind at least, that I can say this guy does it, fine.
If all of this is true, and we know what went on in his personal
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I Six months.
And if he really is a poor performer, he is going to fail, and then you terminate him.
If he really is a poor performer, you are not going to make it through the when he fails the (C) let him go, your hands (C)
When (C)(7 are clean, you know?
(b)(7)(C)
Right.
(b)(7)(C)
So that's kind of the sticking point for me.
I'm just like, I don't know how she convinced those people, and it's just unfathomable.
I just don't get it.
I (b)(7)(C)
O Okay.
I mean, is there anything else that you would tell me that you haven't told me this afternoon or this morning?
(b)(7)(C)
IThat she would tell you?
(b)(7)(C)
No.
You brought up disciplinary action.
If I were to talk to them, they would talk about some type of issues that they had with you.
I mean, is there anything else that you didn't tell me this morning that I should be aware of?
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I can't think of anything else.
I mean, I can --
I can break down examples of what I think she might say, the examples she may give you of poor performance and refute them right now for you.
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you again afterwards.
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Right.
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That's going to be one that I'm 9
sure she will bring up.
I gave you the example of 10 C
I gave you the example oIb7II where she 11 says I didn't prepare her, but I -- I know I did.
And 12 (b)(7)(C) s one of those people that is in 13
- circle, so she'll she'll tell she'll say what 14 ants her to say.
15 Was that -- there was an issue with -- oh, 16 you know what?
There is something I forgot to tell 17 you.
I'm glad I thought of it.
All right.
There was 18 an issue with my timecard where I called in toJ0cEnd 19 it was an emergency situation.
I had to take my cat 20 to the emergency room, all right?
21 So I told her, I said, "Listen, I've got 22 to bring my cat into the vet.
She's --
it looks like 23 she's about to die."
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All 24 right.
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remotely, okay?
2 I worked for five hours that day, okay?
3 I'm a salary employee.
If I work -- I don't have to 4
work a full day to get paid for the full day.
I --
5 you know, I exchanged emails with her, I wrote emails 6
to other people, I did a lot of work that day, and I 7
did a lot of work on the procedure, actually, too.
8 So when I got back, the timecard --
it was 9
time for -- the pay period had ended, and we had to 10 update our timecards and) s like, "Well, you need 11 to put vacation in for that day."
I told her, I said, 12 1 worked five hours, you know, from the laptop."
13 And she is like, "Well, no, you need to put vacation 14 in anyway.
You still need to put vacation in."
15 I said, "Well, then, I'm getting credit 16 for that time, you know, so I'll put it down as 17 uncompensated hours."
Right?
So I put eight hours of 16 vacation and five hours of uncompensated time, but the 19 system wouldn't allow that, right?
20 So, you know, and it was difficult to get 21 hold ofb)(I mean, she was never -- you know, she 22 was always doing something or just like, no, not now 23 type thing.
So I walked over to the payroll clerk, 24 said, "Hey, help me understand this.
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It's not letting it happen."
So the payroll clerk kind of helped me out, sent an email to me and cc'd
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on it, andJ ciJ got all upset about that.
And she said that wasn't following her direction, and that that's poor judgment for me to go talk to a payroll clerk.
Thel (b)(7)(C)
I can go talk to them if I want to.
I had a question about how to input this.
I wasn't going to go to my manager with that, right?
Give me a break.
If I went to my manager for every problem, you know?
So she used that as another example of poor performance, and she is going to tell
- you, "Well, he should have -- that was poor judgment.
He should have came and talked to me."
No, I shouldn't have.
I mean, these are so minuscule things that she put on there and that she is using against me.
Now, here is another big one, another one involving (b)(7)(C)
(b)(7)(C) s the type of person who says one thing --
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)n are exactly like this.
They will say one thing to your face, and then they run and tell (C) omething completely different.
(b)(7)(C)
Iwas working on a disciplinary action for a girl named (b)(7)(C)
She was a (b)(7)(C)
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timesheet when she was away at what we call this 3
Leadership Academy.
It's a five-week course offsite 4
that all the employees go through.
5 EI7 as putting time in that -- for hours 6
that she wasn't actually there, and (b)(7)(C)
Iound out.
7 So she came in to talk to me about it, and I said, 8
okay, and -- well, she comes in and she says, "Well, 9
I want to suspend I
or this."
And I was like, 10 "Whoa, slow down.
Slow down."
I sit her down, I
11 said, "First of all, what's going on?"
She goes, 12 "Well, I found out that she didn't attend Leadership 13
- Academy, and she was putting on her timesheet."
14 I was like, "Well how did you find that 15 out?"
She goes, "Oh,
- well, such-and-such told me."
16 And I was like, "Well, have you confirmed that?"
And 17 she goes, "Well, what do you mean?"
And I was like, 18 "Did you get sign-in sheets?
Did you talk to people 19 at the Leadership Academy?
What did you do to confirm 20 this?"
21 And she goes, "Oh, well, I didn't do that 22 yet."
And I said, "Okay.
This is what you need to 23 do.
Confirm the information you got before you 24 recommend disciplinary action."
Okay?
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disciplinary action she has received in the last six 2
months, last year."
She goes, "Well, I don't know."
3 And I said, "So you haven't pulled her 4
employee file yet."
She goes, "No."
I said, "Well, 5
that's something else you're going to consider, okay, 6
because before you make a decision on an end result 7
you need to have all your facts lined up.
You need to 8
know if she did this two or three times before and got 9
in trouble for it, because now we're not talking 10 suspension.
11 "You need to know if she has got letters 12 of recommendation in there and no other disciplinary 13 action, and this is an anomaly.
In that case, we ask 14 the employee, 'What is going on in your personal life?
15 Is there something you need to tell us?
Because this 16 isn't like you.'
Do you see what I'm doing,
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17 So I'm trying to -- like I'm coaching her through it.
18 And (b)(7)(C)
I mean, she was accepting 19 it, but you could tell she was a little upset because 20 she thought she was going to walk in, me sign off on 21 a suspension, done deal.
Okay?
So now I'm creating 22 work forl (b)(7)(C) 23 (b)(7)(C)
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back and I'm delaying the whole thing, you know, and 2
(C) calls - ]H1talks to me and says that (b)(7)(C) 3 says that you are pushing back on the disciplinary 4
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l ecause you guys have a friendship.,,
6 And I'm like, "Where the hell did that 7
come from?"
You know, that --
where did that come 8
from, you know?
And she's like, "Well, that's what 9
she said."
And likEIEc akes that as gospel, like 10 that's the fact.
And there's nothing I can say at 11 this point.
12 And I'm like, "No, this is what I'm 13 doing," and I laid out every step of it.
And s
14 like, "Well, it needs to move along a lot quicker,"
15 and I said, "It's moving along as quick asI (b)(7)(C) 16 does it.
This is her job.
You know, I'll hold her 17 accountable for it.
But you telling me that I'm 18 delaying it, that's just ridiculous."
19 Again, this is all after the NRC incident.
20 And there's nothing --
I mean, I can't get through at 21 all.
You would think that there would be a little bit 22 of understanding, "Okay,(b)
I get it.
I see what 23 you did."
No.
It
- was, "You're wrong, you're wrong, 24 you're wrong,"
and I'm just like, "Okay, fine."
So 25 that incident is probably going to come up.
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And then, there was another incident where 2
we had an employee --
I can't remember her name right 3
- now, it will probably hit me later tonight.
We had an 4
employee transfer over -- or was awarded a job from 5
another work group in Edison.
This employee was about 6
to be disciplined at her old work group for misuse of 7
company computers, okay?
They had like a thousand 8
pages of transcripts of her just like texting people 9
and stuff like that online.
10 So now she comes over to --
she is in my 11 work group, and the investigators contact us and say, 12 "Okay.
You guys need to carry out this discipline,"
13 and I'm like, "Time out."
I said, "I'm not issuing 14 discipline to somebody for an incident I know nothing 15 about."
16 I said, "You need to fill me in, tell me 17 what's going on, and I need ER and the Law Department 18 to say,
'Yes, this is legit, and you are going to 19 follow through with this discipline,'" because the 20 disciplinary process at SONGS are unique from anywhere 21 else.
Okay?
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is asking me, "Hey, what's going 23 on?"
And I updated her.
I said, "Hey, I went to 24 employee relations, talked to (b)(7)(C)
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concurrence from the Law Department, was trying to get 2
the green light from the Law Department for me to 3
carry this out.
4 I never got that back.
I called her 5
several times, and I kept tellingi "They are not 6
responding.
I'm not going to do this without that 7
green light, because then it is going to come back and 8
bite me in the ass later," right?
Later on --
"I do 9
this and then later on you're going to use it as an 10 example of poor judgment, because I didn't wait to get 11 the green light from Law."
You know, so either way --
12 it's a catch 22, I'm going to lose either way.
13 So she is going to tell you that, "Hey, 14 you know
- what, he should have carried out this 15 disciplinary action, he never did."
- Well, I didn't 16 because I never got the green light from the Law 17 Department, and to this day I still wouldn't have 18 carried it out without that authorization.
You just 19 don't.
20 And I contacte f (b)(7)(C)
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So those that's 22 pretty much everything that I can think of.
And I'm 23 sure if there's something I didn't, I'm not omitting 24 it for reasons of trying to, you know, mislead you.
25 I just --
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I Understood.
Okay.
All right.
(b)(7(C)
I have I or any other NRC representative threatened you in any manner or offered you any rewards in return for this statement?
(b)(7)(C)
No, you have not.
I (b)(7)(C) lHave you given this statement freely and voluntarily?
(b)(7)(C)
I have.
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Is there any issue or addressed topic of a specific nature that was not that is relevant to this investigation?
S (b)(7)(C) D here is not.
(b)(7)(C)
At this time, the interview will be concluded.
The time is approximately 12:05 p.m.
(Whereupon, at 12:05 p.m., the interview was concluded.)
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