ML12275A516
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| Site: | San Onofre  |
| Issue date: | 09/28/2011 |
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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS INTERVIEW
x IN THE MATTER OF:
INTERVIEW OF (b)(7)(C) 01 Case No.
4-2011-024 l
(CLOSED)
x Wednesday, September 28, 2011 San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station San Clemente, California The above-entitled interview was conducted at 8:09 a.m.
BEFORE:
ISenior Special Agent ("
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APPEARANCES:
On Behalf of the Interviewee, Other Individuals Involved in the Investigation and Southern California Edison Company:
[(b)(7)(C) 1(b)(7 XC) of:
Law Department Southern California Edison Company (SCE) 2244 Walnut Grove Avenue Rosemead, California 91770 (626) 302-1212 FAX -4393 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2
8:09 a.m.
3 SR. SPEC. AGENT[
JFor the record 4
this is an interview of who is 5
employed by Southern California Edison.
Today's date 6
is September 28, 2011.
The time is approximately 8:09
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a.m.
This interview is being conducted at San Onofre 8
Nuclear Generating Station.
9 (b)(7)(c) my name issb)(7)(c) 10 I'm ýenior Special Agenjwith Office on Investigations 11 from Region IV.
Also present is Lpecial Agent 12 loout of Region IV. Andff!!:ý is 13 acting as your attorney today.
Okay.
14 This interview is being recorded and a 15 transcript can be produced from this recording.
I 16 need to ask you, do you have any recording devices on 17 you?
(b)(7)(C) 18 No.
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kay. And the 22 purpose of this interview is to discuss allegations of 23 retaliation filed with. the NRC y
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[SR.
SPEC. AGENTZE77:7 Raise your 2
right hand, please?
Do you swear that the information 3
that you're about to provide is the truth, the whole 4
truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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name for the record?
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AGENT~Ib)7c)
Okay.
- And, 12 J(b)()(C) isI(b)(7)(C) acting as your attorney 13 today?
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Yes.
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Did you select 16 her, or was she provided by the company?
)(C) 17 I selected her.
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Does 19 your employer require you to have an attorney present 20 during a interview?
(b)(7)(C) 21 1 No.
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[SR.
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AGENTb(
Okay.
Were 23 you ever threatened with any adverse action if you did 24 not request an attorney?
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[SR. SPEC. AGENTZ=
Okay.
And do 2
you understand you have a right to a private interview 3
with me at your convenience without an attorney 4
present?
S r(b)(7).(C i Yes.
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AGENT] (b)(C)(¢)
Okay.
(b)(7)(C) 7 7
-(C could you please identify yourself for the 8
record?
Yes.(7b)()(C 10 with the Southern California Edison 11 Company Law Department.
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[SR. SPEC. AGENT ('b)(7c)
I Okay.
And are 13 you representing[ b)(7)(C) today?
14 I am and the company and 15 other witnesses in this matter.
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[SR. SPEC. AGENTI (b)(7)c(C Okay.
And do 17 you foresee a potential conflict of interest?
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[SR. SPEC. AGENTI What would 20 happen if one arises?
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choice.
3 iR. SPEC.
AGENTE7 Okay.
- And, 4
(b)(7)(C) you understand that
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represents other people as well yourself in this 6
investigation?
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understand she also represents Southern California 10 Edison?
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AGENT J)(7)(c)
Okay.
And 13 with that understanding you still want her present for 14 this interview?
(b)(7)(C)
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AGENT[
7 Okay.
All 17 richt.
ET could you go over your 18 background here at SONGS, your employment history at 19 SONGS?
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(b)(7)(C)
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AGENT b
And is that the position you took back.in 2010?
(b)(7)(C)
Yes.
FR. SPEC.
AGENT And what month, do you remember in 2010?
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prior to that.
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AGENT1(b)(7)(c)
Okay.
9 b)(7)(C) and half of (7)(c 10
[SR.
SPEC. AGENTIb Okay.
So he 11 worked for you for approximately a year and half, is 12 that correct?
(b)(7)(C) 13 m
That's about right.
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SPEC.
AGENT Okay.
And 15 what capacity did he work for you, sir?
(b)(CC)-
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! believe he was 17 a
I had --
in the (bX7)(C) 18 I had seven, I think, seven supervisors.
And he was 19 one of them.
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21 (bX7)(c was that like one position or two 22 positions below you?
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It was one below.
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Okay.
All 25 right.
And what type --
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Let 2
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At the time (b)(7)(C) 3
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so we were actually peers but I was 4
designated the lead.
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So you 6
guys were equivalent rank?
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8 SR. SPEC. AGENm Okay.
Okay.
9 What type of employee would you consider[ b)(7)(c) to 10 be?
l~b)(7)(C) 11 In In he was a good 12 employee 13
[SR.
SPEC.
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Real 15 sharp, knew the equipment and the plant fairly well.
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(b)(7)(C) 17 And did a good job.
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Okay.
Ini lso what 19 happened after 20 b)(7)(C)
I'm not sure what triggered 21 it, but he started just being negative towards other 22 work groups and towards his peers.
And just 23 uncooperative, not willing to grow, not willing to 24 change and required a lot of coaching on my part.
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said you don't know what triggered it, did he ever 2
mention anything to you about any personal factors or 3
professional factors that you think may have played 4
into this?
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No, and in fact I even 6
asked him about it.
I would go to him, you know, like 7
after a meeting where he had disrupted the meeting.
8 I would go to him and say "Is there something wrong?
9 You seem annoyed, you seem grouchy?"
you know, "Is 10 there something going on at home?" you know, "What's 11 up?"
and he would basically just laugh it off.
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AGENTL J
Okay.
You 13 said you had coaching sessions with him, what did 14 those consist of?
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Just going 18 through and ask him?
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AGENT N
b)(7)(C)
Was there 21 official coaching, was there any type of documentation 22 for these coachihg sessions?
Ib)(7)(C) 23 No, it was just one-on-one 24 discussion.
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guess performance appraisal forl(b)(7c)
Without reviewing the categories you said three is mediocre, he met most of the categories here, is that correct?
[(b)(7)(C)
Yes.
(b()C)
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SPEC..AGENT[
Okay.
And during this time frame, you said he was a
good employee, there was no issues with him?
That's correct.
[SR. SPEC AGENT Okay.
When did you notice a change in him approximately?
It was in durinig the (b)(7)(C) l(b)(7)C)
SR. SPEC. AGENTE And what was his duties back then; did duties change or was it still the same job he had before?
It was slightly different in that we only do (b)(7)(c) once a year, they last about two to three months.
It's a
little bit different then (b)(7)(c)
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Did he tell you he was not pleased with be assigned to that job?
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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12 had seven canisters to load and the plan was that three of the --
my supervisors were going to take two canisters, then another one would take two canisters, and the next one would take two canisters on the night shift.
He had the first two canisters.
And he had a we had specific ALARA goals for each canister.
And the night shift was not doing well on the first two canisters.
And so I wanted to discuss that with him, and when I did he basically blew up and told me that as long as management isn't going to provide us with the tools and the resources that dose would never change.
[SR.
SPEC. AGEN And at that point or prior to that point, you noticed a change in his attitude?
_tIt was around that point, yes.
[SR.
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[R. SPEC.
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You were on nights with him, I'm assuming?
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(b)(7)(C) 3 Go out in the field and see 4
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that job?
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Okay.
Did 10 anyone from upper management ever talk to you about 11 his situation being changed over to that particular 12 job?
b)(7)(C)o.
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AGENT)7c Okay.
All 15 right.
So, he got moved to a different position and 16 was working when you said his attitude changed.
And 17 what started happening after the point until he no.
18 longer worked for you?
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Well there was I can 20 recall one instance that we were having what we call 21 a high impact team meeting for the I(b)(7)(C) 1 22 that was coming up.
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step in and tell him to stop.
2 And again after the meeting I went to him 3
and asked him, "What was wrong, was there something 4
wrong? Is there something bothering you?" you know, 5
"That was uncalled for, et cetera" and, you know, 6
again he would say, you
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provides use with the tools we need nothing is going 8
to change with ALARA."
and that was his attitude.
9SR.
SPEC.
AGENT r And when he 10 told you that, did you even consider doing any 11 investigation into what he was telling you about the 12 ALARA rates?
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- Well, I can tell you that 14 going back to the dry field storage the first two 15 canisters when he was on night shift, the crew picked 16 up about 2 rem, per canister.
By the time we ended 17 the campaign when we got to the seventh canister., when 18 he was no longer involved the crew picked up 133 19 millirem.
So there were many changes that we did that 20 were supported by the crew to reduce dose.
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Okay.
And 22 were those changes brought on by something he 23 initiated?
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see where they could hang lead, and they would hang 2
lead and, you know, there were just different things 3
like that.
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Okay.
And in 5
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correct? Sometime during
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Okay.
What 9
brought that on, what brought the move on?
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Iat the time.
And at that time to keep him 13 out of the field I had him assigned to take care of 14 the (b)(7)(C) and since he already had the 15 (b)(7)(C) it would just make sense for him 16 to go to the I(b)(7)(c) with the I)(7)(c)
((b)(7)(C) 17 18 SR. SPEC.
AGENT Okay.
Was 19 that a decision made by you and management or just you 20 or just management?
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23 you completed another performance appraisal form,is 24 that correct?
I(b)(7)(C) 25 Mid-term.
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And you have a copy of it for me, you said?
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Okay.
And 5
going over the 2007 appraisal it seems like he got 6
unmet on several of the other categories?
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That's correct.
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SPEC.
AGENT (b)(7)(c)
Okay.
The 9
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guess there's a
block that has some 10 underneath the unmet portions of it.
His unmet 11 sections, were they work related or attitude related 12 or personality related?
I(b)(7')(c) 13 Well the first one for 14 example on dry cask storage was do to not meeting 15 ALARA goals.
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R. SPEC. AGENT (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
During 2
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I'm assuming they were verbal in nature?
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5 ER. SPEC. AGENTI(b)(7)Ic I Were there any 6
documented coaching on him on that or any formal 7
complaint raised against him?
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I did have 9
people come to me and complain about him, verbally.
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would talk to and you
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11 basically get the same response every time, usually it 12 was laughter.
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AGENT (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
Is 14 there any method through Southern California Edison to 15 discipline someone who is acting this way, that was 16 not a follower or didn't need to be followed, you 17 chose not to follow?
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To my knowledge.
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AGENT E1b)(7)(C)
And when you 23 received this mid-year appraisal in it seemed 24 like it was signed by him on Isb)(7)(C) s 25 that correct?
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That's correct.
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Okay.
What 3
was his response, what did he say at the time?
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AGENT[
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meeting in my office with a closed door and I started 6
talking to him about his performance.
And I started 7
going in the order of the performance appraisal.
And 8
he it became an attack on me and it became his 9
opinion of my performance.
And he went on for, I want 10 to say, 45 maybe 50 minutes about what a terrible 11 supervisor I was and, you know what my faults were.
12 Basically became a personal attack on me.
So we 13 didn't get to talk about the entire performance 14 appraisal because I wanted -- I felt like I needed to 15 get him out of my office.
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AGENT I(b)(7)(c)
Was it just 17 you and him in your office at the time?
I(b)(7)(C) 18 I That's correct.
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[SR. SPEC. AGENTI (b)(7)(c)
Okay.
And was 20 he working for you at this time or had he already 21 changed location --
jobs?
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He was working for me.
He 23 was I had him assigned as the I(b)(7)(C) 24 25
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month.
[SR.
SPEC.
AGENT (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
And when he left you who did he go to work for, do you recall?
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think it was LJ Zb)(7)(C)
(phonetic).
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Anything else about this appraisal that sticks in your mind about your contact withI (b)(7)(c) during this time?
Ic I No, just that it was kind of upsetting when I tried to tell him about his performance and it turned into my performance appraisal, and I never really got to discuss his issues with him.
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I b)7)C) whilel b()C worked for you, as you were supervising, did he ever raise that you recall any safety concerns?
(b)(7)C)
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aware that he hadn't worked for you since the end of 2
B(b)(7)(C)
But were you aware of an issue he raised in 3
2010 regarding En unqualified worker filling in for a 4
supervisor when the supervisor wasn't ir}
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AGENT1 (b)(7)(c)
Okay.
As a 7
supervisor what's the process where if you take off 8
time, you take a vacation or go to training someone 9
fills in for
- you, what's the process for that 10 situation?
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Well the person obviously 12 needs to be qualified as a supervisor, and there is a
13 couple of different ways to do that.
You can give 14 them a temporary supervisor qual or they in fact have 15 the real supervisor qual.
16 SR. SPEC. AGEN TII Do you give 17 them the supervisor qual or is that done by some other 18 personnel?
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but was there any other process you go through?
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notify Personnel that this person is acting for me on 4
my behalf.
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Now do 6
you select your replacement while you're gone?
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And when[I(b)(7)(C) 9 worked for you did you ever select him as a fill in 10 supervisor for you?
1(b)(7)(c)I 11 I may have.
I used to try 12 and spread it around with the group.
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Do you 14 ever recall him coming up to you personally saying I 15 want to fill in for you when you're not here?
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But as a
18 supervisor you do need to be qualified with the proper 19 qualifications, is that correct?
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And is 22 there, lack of a better word, is there a certification 23 that someone gives people saying you're qualified as 24 a supervisor?
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AGENT Okay.
2
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I Well not a certification, 3
it's particular training that the supervisor goes 4
through.
5 FR.
SPEC.
AGENTI(b)( 7 )(c)
Okay.
6
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It's called out in a
7 training program description of what's required to be 8
a supervisor and once they obtain that training-, then
- 9.
they are officially a supervisor.
10
[SP.
SPEC. AGN (b)(7)(C)
Okay.
And 11 that is voluntary on people's part?
12 I(b)(7)(c)
- Well, I
think it's a
13 requirement if somebody accepts a supervisor position.
14
[SR.
SPEC.
AGENT(b)(7)(C)
- Well, if 15 someone doesn't want to be a supervisor, is it 16 something like, say, we suggest you take this or is it 17 more or less fully voluntary?
Ib()(C) 18 E
I don't think anyone is 19 forced to be a supervisor, if that's what you mean.
20 LR.
SPEC.
AGENT b)(7(¢)
- Well, not 21 forced but is it required that you take whether you 22 want to be one or not.
Not forced but it's part of 23 our requirement here at SONGS that you at least sit 24 through the class?
(b)(7)(C) 25 Yes.
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[SR.
SPEC.
AGENT I
It is?
(7)(7)(C 2
b7)(c)
Yes.
3
[SR.
SPEC. AGENTI Okay.
So if 4
someone sat through the class, does that automatic 5
make them qualified as a supervisor?
(b)(7)(C) 6 If they go to all the 7
training?
6
[SR.
SPEC. AGENT 1(b)T)C)
Yes.
)(7(C) 9 b
That gives them the title.
10 It doesn't necessarily mean that they can handle the 11 job.
12 tSR.
SPEC.
AGENT1 (b)(7)(C)
Yes.
Okay.
13 All right.
(b)(7)(C) was suspended back in-2010, 14 September of 2010 were you aware of this, sir?
I 5
~(b)(7)(C)
No is I
No.
16
[SR. SPEC. AGENT(b)(7)(C)
Okay.
Did 17 andr) ever approach you prior to 18 uspension about your appraisal in and 19 ask any information about him?
2 0
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N o.
(b)(7)(C) 21 1SR.
SPEC.
AGENT (b)(7)(c) 1Not at all?
22 Not that I recall.
23
[SR. SPEC.
AGENT (b)(7)(c)
I All right.
24 Were you ever interviewed as part of an investigation (b)(7)(C}
25 regardingi suspension from SONGS?
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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (b)(7)(C)
No.
(SR.
SPEC.
AGENT Z(FC)
I Okay.
right.
you have any questions?
LSPECIAL AGENT (b)(7)()
No, I don't.
[S~R.
SPEC. AGENT (b)(7)(C)
All any I
follow up questions?
(b)([jC)
- Yes, I do.
We'll start from the end, when you were talking about needing to be qualified as a supervisor and there is training to be a supervisor, is that part of a procedural requirement or is that a process that you choose to use?
I (b)(7)(C)
It's a
procedural requirement.
j(b)(7)(C)I L
And when did that procedural requirement come into effect?
I(b)(7)(C)
I think the supervisor --
(b)(7)(C)
(c they call it, training program description, that was in effect before I
became a supervisor.
[(JCOkay.
Do you need to be a qualified supervisor in the absence of the regular supervisor to answer phones, open the mail, place out assignments?
(b)(7)(C).L~J No.
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What is a
trained 2
supervisor required to do?
3 Trained supervisor 4
typically is has the qual so that he or she can 5
actually supervise field work in progress and direct 6
crafts people on what to do in the field.
b)(7)(C) 7 Okay.
Take a look at the 8
performance appraisal that you did and signed in b)(7)(C) 9 and the supervisor's comment and year 10 end review?
1
~ ~(b)(7)(C)i e
11
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J Yes.
12
[SR. SPEC. AGENT (b)(7)(C)
Which one are 13 you looking at?
[(b)(7)(C)
I 14 I'm looking at thebLJ 15 and I'll show you where.
Yes.
16 I'm going to direct your attention to the (b)(7)(C) 17 sentence there, 18 Did you 19 write that?
(b)(7)(C)I 20 Yes.
(b)(7)(C) 21 And what did you mean by 22 that?
(b)(7)(C) 23 I guess that's when I-first 24 started getting complaints from other divisions about 25 his --
his approach, if you will.
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(b)(7)(C)
What about his approach?
2 Can you tell me an issue?
1()7(C) 3 f
Just he wasn't tactful and 4
didn't watch what he said, it affected the way --
it 5
upset people that he dealt with.
6 (b)(7)(C)
When you gaveI (bXc)(c) 7 this performance appraisal the one you signed on 8
did you talk to him about what you 9
meant by that?
10
[
(b)(7J)
Yes, yes I did.
(b)(7)(C)
II And what was his response?
(b)(7)(C) 12 He wasn't happy.
(b)(7)(C) 13 How?
(b)(7)(C) 14
[
In fact he was very 15 displeased with his performance appraisal at the end 16 of the year.
17
[7(Did he give you any 18 explanation for why he was not being tactful.while 19 interfacing with other divisions?
20 (b)(7)(C)
Not that I recall.
He may 21
- have, but I just don't specifically recall what he 22 said.
23
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And then you talked about 24 during the dry storage campaign assigning him the 25 first two canisters on night shift?
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2 And that his crew was 3
exceeding the expected ALARA rate from that project?
I(b)(7)(c)I 4
Yes.
5
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So when you took him off 6
of that project who supervised the night crew?
7 c
It was eitherE)
(b)(7)(C)
B (phonetic) or [(phonetic).
It was one or 9
the other.
(b)(7)(C) 10
[
Okay.
Did you take any 11 immediate action to improve the ALARA rate?
(b)(7)(C) 12
- Yes, I did.
13 (b)(7)(C)
What did you do?
(b)(7)(C) 14 I'll I'll give you a 15 quick example.
The night crew when 7(
as working 16 there, one of the IS dose tasks during the campaign is 17 to remove the cask loaded with fuel from the pool.
18 And the crew was getting 150 to 200 millirem for that 19 particular task.
20 And on the third canister I actually went 21 in on night shift and I had a discussion with the crew 22 on some techniques that they could use to reduce dose 23 during that particular task, specifically using the 24 distance tool, and time distance and shielding.
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not leave the safe load path otherwise it stops, the 2
crane stops.
So there is no need to really stand 3
right next to the cask when you're pulling it out of 4
the pool.
5 well the crew picked up on that and 6
actually practiced it and they ended up picking up 3 7
millirem as a crew on the task.
So that particular 8
evolution right there, now this is the same crew that (b)(7)(c) 9 7
C was supervising too.
That particular evolution 10 right there proved to them, that hey we can make a 11 difference with ALARA if we just change our work 12 behavior slightly.
And so it just kind of carried on 13 after that and the crew owned it, and before you know 14 it they were reducing dose on every task.
15
(
1 For that task or the 16 change on the third canister, did it require any new 1*7 tools to do that --
(b)(7)(C) 18 No.
(b)(7)(C) 19 or additional money to 20 do that?
(b)(7)(C) 21 No.
22 When you gave your 23 performance appraisal that you signed onLZb)7C)O[
24 when you wrote it up did any one direct you to 25 write anything in there?
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2 EG(
And when you did the 3
review performance appraisal did anyone direct you 4
what to put in there?
5 1~~(b)(7)(C, )o 5
11 No.
(b)(7)(C) 6 That's all I have.
7 SPEC.
AGENT I Okay.
I h 8
one more question about the fill in supervisor.
When 9
someone selects a fill in supervisor to fill in for 10 him while they are gone, is it a requirement at SONGS 1I to see that they are certified to take on aspects of 12 supervision not just part of it?
Ib)(7)(C)I 13 (No audible response.)
14 R.
SPEC.
AGENT (
You said 15 earlier someone could fill in with just assigned to 16 certain task but not do other tasks?
(b)(7)(C) 17 I suppose that is possible, 18 yes.
19 qR.
SPEC.
AGEN
'JII Okay.
But is 20 it a requirement to make sure that when someone is 21 fully certified that they handle the duties and 22 responsibilities of a supervisor when they fill in for 23 a supervisor?
24 No, I think it's just a 25 judgment call.
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SR. SPEC.
AGENTI (b)(;)(C)
Okay.
But 2
they have to verify they're qualified as a supervisor 3
though, correct?
4
[(j
- Yes, either have the 5
supervisor qual or temporary qual, I guess.
6 FR. SPEC.
AGENT Okay.
All 7
right.
Anything else?
b)(7)(C) 8 No.
9 IR.
SPEC.
AGENTN(b)(7)(C) 10 I only have a few additional questions.
Have I or any 11 other NRC employee threatened you or pr~mised you 12 anything in return for your testimony today?
(b)(7)(C) 13 No.
14 IR.
SPEC. AGENT c
I Have you given 15 this statement freely and voluntarily?
((b(7)(C) 16 Yes.
17 ESR.
SPEC.
AGENT Before we go 18 off record is there anything else you care to add 19 before we close out?
I(b)(7)(C)I 20 Just on your last question 21 about the supervisor qual.
That supervisor qual for 22 maintenance deals specifically with crews that are 23 preforming maintenance in the plant.
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supervisor qual for that position.
So, just so you 2
know that it's specifically for maintenance work in 3
the plant.
4
[SR.
SPEC.
AGENT [1(7)(C)O And if you 5
- know, what would be the requirement for someone in 6
(b)(7)(C) to be a fill in supervisor?
(7)(C) 7 r
I would think that they 8
wouldn't have to have the supervisor qual.
9
ýR. SPEC. AGENTb)
They wouldn't 10 have to have?
11 r )(7)(C)
Because the(b)(7)(c) 12 J(b)(7)(C) are not turning wrenches in the plant.
13
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AGENT ffij Okay.
So 14 there is a differentiation between the workers in the 15 plant and the people that write the procedures?
16
.1(b)()(C)
Office workers and workers 17 in the plant, there's a difference, yes.
18 FR. SPEC.
AGENT IIb)(7)(C) Okay.
So I 19 want to make sure I got it right in my head.
For a 20 fellow supervisor in the I(b)(7)(C)
I there would 21 be no quals, no supervisor, or master qualification 22 necessary?
23 (b)(7)(C)
As far as I know.
24 LR. SPEC.
AGENT I
Anything?
25 SPECIAL AGENTE~ No.
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Anything else, (b)(7)(c )
I
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No, that's it.
[R. SPEC. AGENTI (b)(7)(c)
Anything else?
I(b)(7)(C)
No No.
SR. SPEC.
AGENT (b)(7)(c) okay.
Well this interview is concluded at approximately 8:40 on September 28, 2011.
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