ML102730640
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| Site: | Palo Verde  |
| Issue date: | 09/15/2010 |
| From: | Division of License Renewal |
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| DRUCKER D, NRR/DLR, 415-6223 | |
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1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 U.S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3 + + + + +
4 PUBLIC MEETING TO DISCUSS PRELIMINARY SITE-SPECIFIC 5 RESULTS OF THE LICENSE RENEWAL ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR 6 PALO VERDE NUCLEAR GENERATING STATION 7 + + + + +
8 WEDNESDAY, 9 SEPTEMBER 15, 2010 10 + + + + +
11 AVONDALE, ARIZONA 12 + + + + +
13 The Public Meeting convened in Estrella 14 Mountain Community College at 3000 North Dysart Road, 15 Avondale, Arizona 85392 at 7:00 p.m.
16 Present on behalf of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission:
17 JAY ROBINSON 18 DAVID DRUCKER 19 KEVIN FOLK 20 LARA USELDING 21 MIKE BAQUERA 22 JOE BASHORE 23 GINA McFADDEN 24 25 26
2 1 INDEX 2 Welcome and Introductions, Jay Robinson . . . . 3 3 Overview of License Renewal Process, 4 David Drucker . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 5 Public Comments . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 6 Closing Comments, Jay Robinson . . . . . . . . 19 7 Adjourn . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 8
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3 1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2 7:00 p.m.
3 JAY ROBINSON: If I could have everyone take 4 a seat, please, and well get started.
5 I want to first of all thank everybody for 6 coming out tonight. This is a public meeting of the 7 Nuclear Regulatory Commission where we will be 8 soliciting comments on the Palo Verde Draft 9 Environmental Impact Statement, which was completed as 10 part of their license renewal process. My name is Jay 11 Robinson. Im a branch chief from the Nuclear 12 Regulatory Commission and I work in Rockville, 13 Maryland.
14 First of all, lets just go over a couple of 15 ground rules. Everybody knows where the exit is, right 16 there in case there is an emergency. This door over 17 here has the restrooms and a water fountain. If you 18 need the facilities, theyre over there. If you do 19 have a cell phone or a pager, just put it on vibrate.
20 If you do have to take a call, please exit the room and 21 take the call outside. If you have to have a sidebar 22 conversation, Ill just ask that you do that outside as 23 well so you dont disturb the meeting.
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4 1 yourself, your name, and your affiliation and speak 2 slowly and clearly into the microphone. The transcript 3 should be available I guess a couple of weeks after 4 today well have that -- do we post that publicly, the 5 transcript?
6 DAVID DRUCKER: Yes.
7 JAY ROBINSON: Yes. So that will be posted 8 on the public website.
9 First of all, were going to start off with a 10 very brief presentation of the license renewal process.
11 Well talk a little bit about the environmental review 12 for Palo Verde and then most of the time is going to be 13 devoted to the public comments.
14 Right now we have, I think, three people 15 signed up to speak; is that right?
16 KEVIN FOLK: Yes.
17 JAY ROBINSON: So if you do want to make a 18 public comment, you can see Kevin in the back there and 19 sign up to speak. But at this time we only have three 20 people.
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5 1 Branch at Headquarters. Lara Uselding, shes from 2 regional staff. And also the -- who work at the 3 Resident Inspectors office we have Joe Bashore, Michael 4 Baquera, and Gina McFadden. So welcome all of those 5 NRC staff people.
6 I dont think I have anything else. Does 7 anybody have any questions before we begin? Then Ill 8 hand it over to David and well start the meeting.
9 Thank you.
10 DAVID DRUCKER: Thank you, Jay.
11 The NRC was established to regulate civilian 12 uses of nuclear materials including applications that 13 produce electric power. The NRC conducts license 14 renewal reviews for plants whose owners wish to operate 15 them beyond their initial license period.
16 NRC license renewal reviews address safety 17 issues related to managing the effects of aging and 18 environmental issues related to an additional 20 years 19 of operation. In all aspects of the NRCs regulation, 20 our mission is threefold: protect public health and 21 safety, promote common defense and security, and 22 protect the environment.
23 In this meeting I will discuss the potential 24 site-specific impacts of license renewal for Palo Verde 25 Nuclear Generating Station. The site-specific findings NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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6 1 are contained in the Draft Supplemental Environmental 2 Impact Statement the NRC staff published on August 12th, 3 2010. This document contains analyses of all 4 applicable site-specific issues, as well as a review of 5 issues common to many or all nuclear power plants.
6 Issues for which the environmental impacts are the same 7 across some or all nuclear power plants are discussed 8 in the Generic Environmental Impact Statement.
9 NRC staff reviewed these issues to determine 10 whether the conclusions in the Generic Environmental 11 Impact Statement are valid for Palo Verde. The NRC 12 staff also reviewed the environmental impacts of 13 potential alternatives to license renewal. We 14 considered ways to replace Palo Verdes electric 15 generation capacity to determine whether the impacts 16 expected from license renewal are unreasonable in 17 comparison to other power generation options.
18 An earlier part of this environmental review 19 was the scoping period. During this period, the NRC 20 solicited comments concerning what to focus our review 21 on. Comments received during the scoping period and 22 responses to those comments are addressed in Appendix A 23 of the Draft Supplemental Environmental Impact 24 Statement. Comments were grouped into categories shown 25 in the second bullet on the slide. Many of the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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7 1 comments voiced support for continued operation of Palo 2 Verde.
3 This slide lists the environmental issues NRC 4 staff reviewed for Palo Verde. The staffs preliminary 5 conclusion is that all site-specific impacts related to 6 license renewal are small.
7 Air quality in the vicinity of Palo Verde is 8 regulated by the Maricopa County Air Quality 9 Department, and they recently reissued the Palo Verde 10 air permit in August 2010.
11 Groundwater at Palo Verde is regulated by the 12 Arizona Department of Environmental Quality and the 13 Arizona Department of Water Resources. And Palo Verde 14 pumps groundwater at rates well below what it is 15 authorized.
16 Concerning surface water, Palo Verde does not 17 draw water directly from any natural surface water 18 body; instead it uses treated wastewater effluent from 19 the Phoenix area. Palo Verde does not release water to 20 any natural surface water body. Instead, cooling water 21 is discharged to man-made, lined, evaporation ponds 22 with no outlet and no hydraulic connection to any 23 natural surface water body.
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8 1 Wildlife Service and the Arizona Game and Fish 2 Department and determined that the impact to these 3 resources would be small.
4 The review of human health included noise, 5 radiation exposure, and electromagnetic fields.
6 Socioeconomics addressed housing impacts, 7 public services, off-site land use, transportation, 8 historic and archaeological resources, and 9 environmental justice.
10 The detailed analysis of each of these issues 11 is presented in chapter four of the Draft Supplemental 12 Environmental Impact Statement, and waste management is 13 addressed in chapter six.
14 When reviewing the potential cumulative 15 impacts of license renewal on the environment, NRC 16 staff also looked at the effects on the environment 17 from other past, present, and reasonably foreseeable 18 future human actions. The NRC staff preliminarily 19 concluded that the cumulative impacts associated with 20 these issues shown above would be small, and this 21 analysis is addressed in Section 4.11 of the Draft 22 Environmental Impact Statement.
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9 1 power generation and not renewing the Palo Verde 2 operating licenses.
3 In the Draft Environmental Impact Statement, 4 NRC staff considered coal-fired generation, natural gas 5 generation, new nuclear generation, and as part of a 6 combination alternative, conservation and efficiency 7 combined with natural gas generation and with solar 8 power.
9 The NRC staff initially considered a number 10 of additional alternatives for analysis as alternatives 11 to license renewal. These were later dismissed due to 12 technical, resource ability, or commercial limitations 13 that currently exist and that are likely to continue to 14 exist when the existing Palo Verde licenses expire.
15 Finally, the NRC staff considered what would 16 happen if no action is taken and Palo Verde shuts down 17 at the end of its current licenses without a 18 replacement alternative. And overall the staff found 19 the impacts from energy alternatives would vary widely 20 based on the characteristics of those alternatives. In 21 most cases, construction of new facilities created 22 significant impacts. Overall, NRC staff concludes that 23 continued operation of Palo Verde is the 24 environmentally preferred alternative.
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10 1 environmental impacts from license renewal as well as 2 potential environmental impacts of alternatives to 3 license renewal, the NRC staffs preliminary 4 recommendation is the environmental impacts of license 5 renewal for Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station are 6 not so great that license renewal would be 7 unreasonable.
8 Well, the environmental review is not yet 9 completed; your comments today and all written comments 10 received by the end of the comment period on October 11 29th will be considered by NRC staff as we develop the 12 final supplemental environmental impact statement, 13 which we currently plan to issue this winter. It will 14 contain the staffs final recommendation on the 15 acceptability of license renewal based on the work 16 weve already performed and on the input we receive 17 during the comment period. Your comments can help to 18 change the staffs findings in the final environmental 19 impact statement.
20 I am the primary contact for environmental 21 review and Lisa Regner is the primary contact for the 22 safety review. Hard copies of the Draft Environmental 23 Impact Statement are available at the back table where 24 Kevin is sitting, as are copies on CD, on compact disk.
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11 1 Garcia Western Avenue Library have copies available.
2 You can also find electronic copies of the Draft 3 Environmental Impact Statement along with other 4 information about the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating 5 Station license renewal review online at the third 6 bullet shown on the slide.
7 And if you need this information just, you 8 know, later on after the briefing, please come up and 9 Ill tell you where you can find it. Its actually 10 inside the very first couple of pages of the Draft 11 Environmental Impact Statement.
12 So to submit written comments, you can send 13 them to the NRC via email at the address at the first 14 bullet or via conventional mail and if you have any 15 written comments today you can provide them to any NRC 16 staff member.
17 And that concludes my remarks. And I will 18 now turn the meeting back over to Jay. And I just want 19 to say thank you all very, very much, especially for 20 those who have listened to this for two times today.
21 JAY ROBINSON: Thank you, David.
22 Now well open the meeting up to public 23 comments. First is Dr. Clay Goodman.
24 CLAY GOODMAN: Good evening all, and Im 25 going to wear some multiple hats this evening.
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12 1 My name is Clay Goodman, Im the Vice 2 President for Occupational Education here at Estrella 3 Mountain Community College, and were very happy to 4 host this meeting this evening. So thats the first 5 hat, as your host. Welcome. I hope youve enjoyed the 6 campus. Ive heard some comments that people like what 7 they see. We like providing service to the community.
8 The second hat, similar to the first, is our 9 long-term relationship with Palo Verde. It goes back 10 many, many years with both Arizona Public Service as 11 the parent company and Palo Verde Nuclear Generating 12 Station.
13 Estrella Mountain is part of the Maricopa 14 County Community College District; those of you that 15 live here may know that. Maricopa is the largest 16 community college district in the country. We have 17 about 270,000 students enrolled this semester.
18 Estrella Mountain is one of ten colleges, we have about 19 8,000 students enrolled, and many of those are Palo 20 Verde employees.
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13 1 program completers since its inception, many of whom 2 are working at Palo Verde right now either as 3 apprentices or after theyve moved through that program 4 are working as journeymen, tradesmen. Areas: HVAC, 5 machining, instrumentation and control, and several 6 other trades. Its been a very long and fruitful 7 partnership, and one that Palo Verdes been 8 instrumental in helping us put together. We meet 9 regularly with Palo Verde staff to review curriculum, 10 to review standards and make sure that those are 11 delivered to the students who would then hopefully 12 become employees.
13 The second educational relationship that we 14 have is relatively new. Its working with Palo Verde 15 on a uniform curriculum through Nuclear Energy 16 Institute. I just know it as NEI, so I hope I got 17 Nuclear Energy Institute right. But theyre developing 18 a uniform curriculum that will help train future 19 workers to work in nuclear plants.
20 We just finished a curriculum analysis on 21 radiation protection technology that is moving through 22 the approval process. Radiation protection is a new 23 program for us in just the last couple of years and we 24 have about 40 students enrolled. Were very excited 25 about that.
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14 1 Palo Verde has, again, been instrumental in 2 providing faculty for us. The expertise that we need 3 in the classroom to help train that future workforce is 4 very important to keeping the plant safe and then can 5 have some relevance to the environmental impact. Were 6 growing that program, and when the curriculum is vetted 7 through the NEI and becomes uniform, we hope to join a 8 consortium with California nuclear utilities, the 9 colleges that are associated with those will work with 10 Estrella Mountain in helping provide that particular 11 workforce.
12 Radiation protection is the first, and were 13 looking at chemistry and operations as well, to expand 14 into. And we couldnt do it without a partner like 15 Palo Verde. Palo Verde couldnt do it without a 16 partner like Estrella Mountain. So its been a very 17 positive relationship and one were very happy to have 18 and would like to see it continue.
19 The third hat, the last hat Im going to 20 wear, is as a resident of the West Valley. I live and 21 work out here, raise my family out here, have 22 absolutely no concerns that theres a nuclear power 23 plant located very close. As a matter of fact, when I 24 was going to college I was an iron worker and some of 25 my rebar is buried under concrete out there. But I NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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15 1 think it just speaks to Palo Verdes commitment to the 2 community, keeping the community informed, keeping the 3 community safe and its somebody that we would like to 4 keep out here. Thank you very much.
5 JAY ROBINSON: Thank you for those comments.
6 Next, we have Anna Kupcik.
7 ANNA KUPCIK: Thank you. Im glad to be here 8 tonight. Im Anna Kupcik with the Buckeye Valley 9 Chamber of Commerce and I just want -- Im going to 10 read this so I dont miss anything.
11 The Buckeye Valley Chamber of Commerce and 12 the business community in Buckeye strongly support the 13 continued operation of the Palo Verde nuclear 14 generating station as an asset to this area.
15 Palo Verde employs over 2000 people full-16 time, with periodic additions of temporary workers, 17 providing major economic benefits to our community. We 18 have confidence in the ability of APS to operate the 19 plant efficiently, safely, and to the benefit of our 20 entire area. Palo Verde provides 35 percent of the 21 power in Arizona and supplies parts of California with 22 clean, efficient energy. We appreciate the outreach 23 efforts of the NRC and APS, keeping us updated on 24 issues at Palo Verde and we appreciate this opportunity 25 to express our views.
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16 1 And I too am a resident of the West Valley 2 and have been around since the building of Palo Verde 3 and seen the economic impacts its had on the whole 4 west side for about 30 years. So we really appreciate 5 having that in our own backyard.
6 JAY ROBINSON: Thank you. Next, we have Jeff 7 Muecke.
8 JEFF MUECKE: Correct.
9 JAY ROBINSON: Did I pronounce your name 10 right?
11 JEFF MUECKE: You did.
12 JAY ROBINSON: Okay, good.
13 JEFF MUECKE: Very good. So thank you.
14 JAY ROBINSON: I had a lot of help with that.
15 JEFF MUECKE: Thats very good.
16 Good evening. Im really here for two fold, 17 one is living here in residence in the Valley of the 18 Sun since 1968. You know, as growing up and going to 19 Phoenix College and ASU I can tell you that you always 20 wonder where power comes from and where electricity is 21 and what resources you have. And Ive got to tell you, 22 Ive never worried, really, about the Palo Verde plant 23 being here.
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17 1 growth here of the Valley. And I know a lot of people 2 that do work out at the plant, a lot of people that 3 benefit from having the plant here in the Valley, and I 4 would like to see it continue to be able to prosper.
5 From a business standpoint I have been very 6 fortunate to work on the education side of the private 7 sector, which is Universal Technical Institute and we 8 provide technicians all across the United States.
9 Were publicly held. Im the vice president and have 10 been with the company for 28 years. And I can tell you 11 that a lot of students benefit from the plant being 12 here, but I also can tell you that the significant 13 impact is energy, resource, the heavy equipment. There 14 are a lot of jobs to come by this new technology.
15 Nuclear energys not new, but obviously its rapidly 16 growing. Theres 104 nuclear power plants across the 17 United States and Ive just got to believe its a great 18 resource for this country.
19 We employ here in the Valley 600 employees.
20 So of the 600 employees that work here in the Valley, 21 Ive got to tell you energys very important. And so 22 we have a 28,000 square foot plant here in Avondale 23 that has right close to 3,000 students. We have 24 another campus up in Deer Valley, which is up in north 25 Phoenix, that has right close to another 2,000 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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18 1 students, and about 200 employees, and then our home 2 office is here.
3 You look for efficiencies; and efficiencies 4 is what drives cost if youre a publicly held company 5 like us and you want to make sure that energy costs are 6 affordable. And Ive got to tell you, out of all 11 7 campuses of ours across the United States, Ive got to 8 tell you from an efficiency standpoint the Avondale 9 campus and the MMI campus are one of our most 10 profitable. And thats due to the energy costs that I 11 think were fortunate to have here. I attribute that a 12 lot to the Palo Verde plant.
13 So thank you very much.
14 JAY ROBINSON: Thank you. We do have an 15 additional person who would like to comment. Sharon 16 Hohman; is that correct?
17 SHARON HOHMAN: Yes, it is.
18 JAY ROBINSON: Good. And I had help with 19 that one, too.
20 SHARON HOHMAN: Thank you.
21 Thank you very much. I have not read or seen 22 anything that would take away from the comments I made 23 the last time we had the visit. I dont think I would 24 change anything except to reiterate.
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19 1 businessperson since 1980. Currently, I am the 2 Executive Director of the Southwest Valley Chamber of 3 Commerce, so I work with a lot of businesspeople. My 4 job is to encourage people to come to the area. My job 5 is to make people feel comfortable in the area. And I 6 believe that Palo Verde provides the energy we need.
7 We cant encourage more people if we do not have the 8 energy, and its absolutely critical to our growth.
9 And I would like to emphasize that one more 10 time, I have never felt unsafe living here or working 11 here. I watched it build. Ive watched it operate. I 12 think that Arizona Public Service does an incredible 13 job, excellent job, of operation. And I just want to 14 reiterate those comments and thank you for the 15 opportunity to be here and stress how important the 16 relicensing is. Thank you.
17 JAY ROBINSON: Thank you.
18 Is there anyone else whod like to make a 19 public comment at this time? So what well do is, like 20 we did this afternoon, well just -- since this meeting 21 is for public comments, well keep the meeting open for 22 a while. If you dont want to stay, theres no reason 23 for you to stay, but we will not -- were not closing 24 the meeting right now. Well keep it open for a while, 25 see if anybody else comes, and then well discuss when NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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20 1 well close it based on if we get any more people 2 wanting to make public comments. All right, thank you.
3 (A brief recess was taken.)
4 JAY ROBINSON: If I could ask everybody to 5 have a seat, well wrap up the meeting. Wow, that was 6 quick.
7 Once again Id like to thank everybody for 8 coming to the public meeting to take comments on the 9 Palo Verde Draft Environmental Impact Statement. Bear 10 with me for a minute; I have to read the email address 11 and the address for comments into the record.
12 So if you do want to submit comments, you 13 could submit them by email to:
14 PaloVerdeEIS@nrc.gov 15 Or you could submit them via regular mail to 16 the Chief Rulemaking and Directives Branch, Division of 17 Administrative Services, Office of Administration, Mail 18 Stop: TWB-5B01M U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 19 Washington, DC, 20555-0001.
20 Are there any other public comments at this 21 time? Okay, one more announcement, we do have public 22 feedback forms, so if you want to submit a comment on 23 the meeting please take one of these forms. It should 24 be double-sided, so all youve got to do is make your 25 comment, fold it up and drop it in the mailbox, and it NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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21 1 will get back to us at headquarters. And if there are 2 not any other comments or questions, this will conclude 3 the meeting and thank you for coming.
4 (The meeting adjourned.)
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