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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Crystal River Nuclear Plant Scoping Meeting: Evening Session Docket Number: (n/a)
Location: Crystal River, Florida Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 Work Order No.: NRC-2772 Pages 1-41 IORIGINAL NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 234-4433
1 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3
4 CRYSTAL RIVER UNIT 3 5 NUCLEAR GENERAL PLANT 6 LICENSE RENEWAL PROCESS 7 and 8 ENVIRONMENTAL SCOPING MEETING 9
10 Thursday, April 16, 2009 11 The Plantation Golf Resort & Spa 12 9301 West Fort Trail 13 Crystal River, Florida 14 15 The above-entitled hearing was conducted 16 at 7:00 p.m.
17 BEFORE: DAVID WRONA, Facilitator 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 1 INDEX 2 AGENDA PAGE 3 I. Welcome and purpose of meeting 3 4 II. Overview by Mr. Kuntz 6 5 III. Overview by Ms. Keegan 15 6 IV. Public comments 7 Emily Casey 21 8 Gary W. Maidhof 23 9 Mark P. Klutho 28 10 Dixie Hollins 37 11 VI. Closing 40 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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3 1 PROCEEDINGS 2 7:00 P.M.
3 MR. WRONA: Welcome, and thank you for 4 coming out this evening. My name is David Wrona. I'm 5 a supervisor with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 6 and here representing our Division of License Renewal, 7 along with Mr. Robert Kuntz and Ms. Elaine Keegan, who 8 are the Project Managers, for they will be going over 9 the details of our review here in a little bit.
10 I have the privilege to act as a 11 facilitator for this evening's meeting. In addition 12 to the License Renewal Staff that we have here, Mr.
13 Roger Hannah from our Office of Public Affairs in 14 Atlanta is here to support us.
15 We are here for basically two reasons 16 tonight. The first is to walk you through our license 17 renewal, both the safety and the environmental review 18 associated with the Crystal River Unit 3 License 19 Renewal Application Review. And probably the biggest 20 reason we're here is to receive your comments as to 21 what environmental issues the NRC should consider 22 during our review.
23 To start things off, I just want to go 24 through what to expect from this evening's meeting.
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4 1 turn it over to our presenters.
2 For the Agenda, we have a fairly short 3 presentation on the NRC's license renewal process,
.4 after which we will open up the meeting to listen to 5 your comments.
6 And again, since our main focus is to 7 gather comments on what issues to include during our 8 environmental review, we would like to limit the back 9 and forth discussions and focus on receiving your 10 comments that we can use during the development of our 11 Environmental Impact Statement.
12 This meeting is being transcribed. As 13 such, when it's your turn to speak, if you could 14 kindly approach the microphone and identify yourself.
15 That's very important that we only have one person 16 speaking at a time. This will keep a very clear and 17 clean transcript for us.
18 1 want to stress that speaking here 19 tonight is not the only way that you can provide 20 comments on this process. Our presenters will go over 21 several other methods when they go through their 22 slides.
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5 1 if you could still be concise and to the point with 2 your comments, we'd certainly appreciate it.
3 If you wanted to speak and you hadn't had 4 a chance to sign up with one of these yellow cards, 5 just flag me down when somebody else is speaking and 6 I'll walk one over to you.
7 In addition to the yellow card, which if 8 you noticed on there, there was a place to check if 9 you wanted to be added onto our distribution list for 10 the environmental reports and documents that we'll be 11 issuing during this review.
12 We also have a non-speaker blue card, 13 which you could do the same thing if you want to get 14 on our mailing list. They're over at that table, and 15 just grab one on your way out or during the meeting.
16 A couple other forms I'd like to point 17 everybody's attention. If you didn't have a chance to 18 sign in, we have a registration sheet over at that 19 table, and we also have a Public Meeting Feedback form 20 on that table. If you'd like to take a minute to fill 21 that out, it helps us improve our public meetings.
22 And one last thing for me is, if you have 23 any electronic devices, if you can kindly silence 24 them. And with that, I'm going to turn the meeting 25 over to Mr. Robert Kuntz to start the presentation.
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6 1 MR. KUNTZ: Good evening. As Dave 2 mentioned my name's Rob Kuntz. I am one of two 3 Project Managers that helped put this presentation 4 together. Today the other is Elaine Keegan. And the 5 purpose of this meeting is to discuss the Crystal 6 River Unit 3 License Renewal Application.
7 I'd like to take the time to thank 8 everyone for coming this evening, and we'll have a 9 comment period at the end, like Dave mentioned.
10 Tonight we'll provide an overview of the 11 license renewal process, which includes both a safety 12 and environmental review. We also describe in more 13 detail the environmental review process associated 14 with the license renewal review. But the most 15 important part of today's meeting, as Dave mentioned, 16 is to receive any comments that you may have on the 17 scope of the environmental review. We also will give 18 you some information about how you can submit comments 19 outside of this meeting.
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7 1 we can begin to receive any comments that you have on 2 the scope of the environmental review.
3 I hope the information that we provide 4 will help you to understand the license renewal review 5 process and the, role that you can play in helping us 6 to make sure that our environmental review considers 7 relevant information.
8 Before we get into the discussion of the 9 license renewal process, I'd like to take a minute to 10 talk about the NRC in terms of what we do and what our 11 mission is.
12 The NRC is a federal agency established by 13 the Energy Reorganization Act of 1974, and we regulate 14 the civilian use of nuclear material. The Atomic 15 Energy Act of 1954 authorizes the NRC to grant 40 year 16 operating licenses for nuclear power reactors. This 17 40 year term was based primarily on economic and anti-18 trust factors. Not on safety or technical 19 information. The Atomic Energy Act also provided for 20 the possibly of license renewals.
21 The National Environmental Policy-Act of 22 1969, establishes national policy for considering the 23 impact of federal decision making on the human 24 environment. As a matter of policy the Commission 25 determined the reactor license renewal constitutes a NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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8 1 major federal action for which an environmental impact 2 statement is warranted.
3 The NRC's regulations governing nuclear 4 safety, security, and environmental protection, are 5 contained in Title 10 of the Code of Federal 6 Regulations, also known as 10 C.F.R. An exercise in 7 its regulatory authority, the NRC's mission is 8 threefold. To ensure adequate protection *of public 9 health and safety, to promote the common defense and 10 security, and to protect the environment.
11 The NRC accomplishes its mission through 12 a combination of regulatory programs and processes, 13 such as establishing the rules and regulations, 14 conducting inspections, issuing enforcement actions, 15 accessing licensee performance, and evaluating 16 operating experience from nuclear plants across the 17 country and abroad.
18 The NRC has resident inspectors at all 19 operating nuclear power reactors. These inspectors 20 are considered the eyes and ears of the NRC. They 21 carry out our safety mission on a daily basis and are 22 on the front lines of ensuring acceptable safety, 23 performance, and compliance with regulatory 24 requirements.
25 And now specific to Crystal River Unit 3.
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9 1 The original license was granted in 1976, and the 2 current operating license expires December 3 rd , 2016.
3 Florida Power Corporation filed an application for 4 license renewal on December 1 6 th of last year.
5 Some general information about what comes 6 in a license renewal application. There's information 7 about the licensee, the name, address, business and 8 administration information. There's technical 9 information, which pertains to aging management. This 10 information is the focus of the safety review.
11 Technical specifications, which define the 12 operating parameters of the plant. The application 13 will identify any additions or modifications to the 14 technical specifications required to effectively 15 manage aging and the extended period of operation.
16 In Crystal River's case there were no 17 'proposed changes to the technical specifications. And 18 the application also contains an environmental report, 19 which is the applicant's assessment of environmental 20 impacts of continued operation. This information 21 serves as the starting point for the staff's 22 environmental review.
23 License renewal involves two parallel 24 reviews; a safety review and an environmental review.
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10 1 license renewal application. The safety review 2 focuses on the aging effects of passive and long live 3 components and structures that the NRC deems important 4 for plan safety. The staff's main objective in this 5 review is to determine whether the effects of aging 6 will be adequately managed by the applicant. The 7 review also considers generic and site specific 8 operating experience related to aging effects. The 9 results of the safety review are documented in a staff 10 evaluation, a safety evaluation board report or SER.
11 For environmental review the staff 12 considers, evaluates, and discloses the environmental 13 impacts of continued plant operation for an additional 14 20 years. The staff also evaluates the environmental 15 impacts of alternatives to license renewal. The 16 objective of the review is to determine if the 17 environmental impacts of license renewal are so great 18 that license renewal would not be a reasonable option, 19 or more plainly, is license renewal acceptable from 20 an environmental standpoint.
21 The staff prepares an Environmental Impact 22 Statement, or EIS, to document its environmental 23 review.
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11 1 routinely come up during our interactions with members 2 of the public.
3 The NRC staf f addresses these areas of 4 performance every day as a part of the ongoing 5 oversight provided for all currently operating 6 reactors. They include emergency planning, security, 7 and current safety performance, as defined by NRC 8 inspection findings, violations, and general 9 assessment of plant performance. For specific 10 information on the current performance at Crystal 11 River you can use the link provided at the bottom of 12 the slide.
13 The NRC monitors and provides regulatory 14 oversight of activities in these areas on an ongoing 15 basis under the current operating license. Thus, we 16 do not re-evaluate them in license renewal. That's 17 not to say they're not important. We just do not 18 duplicate the regulatory process in these areas for 19 license renewal.
20 This is a schematic that shows the two 21 parallel review paths. It also features two other 22 considerations in the Commission's decision of whether 23 or not to renew an operating license.
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12 1 on Reactor Safeguards, or ACRS. Statutorily mandated 2 by the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, the ACRS is a group 3 of scientists and nuclear safety experts who serve as 4 a consulting body to the Commission. The ACRS reviews 5 the license renewal application and the staff's safety 6 evaluation. The ACRS reports their findings and 7 recommendations directly to the Commission. Hearings 8 may also be conducted. Interested stakeholders may 9 submit concerns or contentions and request a hearing.
10 An adjudicatory panel from the Atomic Safety and 11 Licensing Board, ASLB, will be established to review 12 contentions for admissibility. If a hearing is 13 granted, the Commission considers the outcome of the 14 hearing process in its decision on whether or not to 15 renew the license.
16 Now I am going to describe the license 17 renewal process in a little more detail. Regulations 18 governing license renewal are based on two guiding 19 principles. To effectively communicate these 20 principles I need to first describe a term used by the 21 NRC. The concept is "licensing basis." The licensing 22 basis consists of a wide range of design and 23 operational requirements and conditions that must be 24 met for the plant to comply with its operating 25 license. It serves as the basis upon which the NRC NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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13 1 originally licensed the plan. To continue to operate, 2 a plant must conform with its licensing basis. As I 3 mentioned, the regulations governing license renewal 4 are based on two guiding principles that relate back 5 to the licensing basis.
6 The first principle is that the current 7 regulatory process is adequate to ensure that the 8 licensing basis of all operating plants provides and 9 maintains an acceptable level of safety. The second 10 principle is that the current plant specific licensing 11 basis must be maintained during the renewal process, 12 renewal term in the same manner and to the same extent 13 as during the original licensing term. In other 14 words, the same rules that apply under the current 15 license will apply under the renewal term. In 16 addition, a renewed license will include conditions 17 that must be met to ensure aging of structures and 18 components, important to safety, are adequately 19 managed so that the plant's current licensing basis is 20 maintained during the period of extended operation.
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14 1 assurance, that the effect of aging for certain 2 plants, structures, and components will be adequately 3 managed or monitored. The safety also include site 4 audits to verify the technical basis of the license 5 renewal application and to confirm the applicant's 6 aging management programs and activities conform with 7 how they are described in the application.
8 The staff documents, the basis and 9 conclusion of its review, in a safety evaluation 10 report, which will be publicly available. In 11 addition, a team of specialized inspectors travel to 12 the reactor site to verify that aging, management 13 programs, are being implemented, modified, or planned 14 consistent with the license renewal application.
15 Finally, as I've mentioned, the Advisory 16 Committee on Reactor Safeguards performs an 17 independent review of the license renewal application 18 and the staff's safety evaluation, and makes a 19 recommendation to the Commission regarding the 20 proposed action to issue a renewed operating license.
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15 1 requirements. It requires that all federal agencies 2 follow a systematic approach in evaluating potential 3 impacts associated with major federal actions and 4 alternatives to those actions. By law, the NEPA 5 process involves public participation and public 6 disclosure.
7 NEPA also established the US Council on 8 Environmental Quality, or CEQ, with the Executive 9 Office of the President. CEQ establishes policy for 10 implementation of NEPA. The NRC's environmental 11 regulations contained in 10 C.F.R. Part 51, are 12 largely based on those that CEQ developed.
13 Our environmental review considers the 14 impact of the license renewal and any mitigation for 15 those impacts we consider to be significant. We also 16 consider the impacts of alternatives to license 17 renewal, including the impact of not issuing a renewed 18 license. The staff documents its environmental review 19 and Environmental Impact Statement.
20 That concludes my portion of the 21 presentation. Next, Elaine Keegan will provide more 22 details on the environmental review and scoping 23 process.
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16 1 Program Manager, Project Manager for the Crystal River 2 Unit 3 Relicensing. I will cover the environmental 3 review process.
4 For the license renewal process NRC looks 5 at a wide range of environmental impacts as part of 6 preparing the EIS. In conducting the environmental 7 review we consult with various federal, state, and 8 local officials, as well as leaders of the Native 9 American nations, and we gather pertinent information 10 from these sources to ensure it is considered in our 11 analysis.
12 As you can see from the slide we have a 13 wide range of areas that we look at, and we talk to a 14 lot of the other agencies, state and federal, such as 15 U.S. Fish and Wildlife, the EPA, Florida Department of 16 Natural Resources, State Bureau of Radiation 17 Protection, Florida State Historical Preservation 18 Office.
19 The environmental review begins with a 20 scoping process. The purpose of the scoping process 21 is to identify significant issues that should be 22 considered in the environmental review. We are 23 gathering information that we will use to prepare and 24 Environmental Impact Statement for the license 25 renewal. As part of the process we are here to NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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17 1 collect your comments on the scope of the 2 environmental review, that is, the environmental 3 impacts that the State, the staff, should consider 4 during the renewal process.
5 In the mid 1990's staff prepared a generic 6 Environmental Impact Statement that addressed a number 7 of issues that are common to all nuclear power plants.
8 The staff will be supplementing this generic EIS with 9 a site specific EIS in which we will address issues 10 that are specific to the Crystal River Unit 3 site.
11 We will also reexamine conclusions reached in the 12 generic EIS to determine if there's any new and 13 significant information that would change those 14 conclusions.
15 The scoping period started on April 6 "h, 16 2009, when the Notice of Intent to Prepare an EIS and 17 Conduct a Scoping Meeting was published in the Federal 18 Register. The NRC will be accepting comments on the 19 scope of the environmental review until June 6 "h, 20 2009.
21 In general, we are looking for information 22 about the environmental impacts from the continued 23 operation of Crystal River during extended operation 24 period. You can assist us in that process by telling 25 us, for example, what aspects of your local community NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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18 1 we should focus on, what local, environmental, social, 2 and economic issues the NRC should examine during our 3 environmental review and what reasonable alternatives 4 are most appropriate for your local region.
5 These are just some of examples of the 6 input we're looking for, and they represent the kinds 7 of information we are seeking through the Environment 8 Scoping Process. Your comments today will be helpful 9 in providing insights of this nature for our 10 environmental analysis.
11 This slide illustrates the NRC's various 12 considerations for deciding if a renewed operating 13 license will be issued. It is a rigorous review and 14 involves safety evaluation report, regional 15 inspections, and so on.
16 Also, as indicated on this slide, public 17 comments are an important part of the environmental 18 review process. We consider all the comments that we 19 receive from the public during the scoping process as 20 part of preparing the Supplemental Environmental 21 Impact Statement.
22 In addition to providing comments at 23 today's meeting, there are other ways you can submit 24 comments. You can provide written comments by mail to 25 the NRC Chief of Rules and Directives Branch at the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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19 1 address that's noted up here. You can send your 2 comments electronically to the e-mail address,
.3 crystalrivereis@nrc.gov. Or if you choose to, you 4 can bring your comments to Rob or myself if you're in 5 Rockville, Maryland. Or, you can also call Rob or me.
6 Our business cards are on the table. And comments 7 should be submitted by June 6th, 2009.
8 This slide shows the important milestone 9 dates for the environmental review process. The 10 opportunity to submit contentions for a hearing closes 11 on May 81h. If you have comments you would like to 12 submit outside of today's meeting you have until June 13 6 th, 2009, to do so. We plan to issue a draft 14 Environmental Impact Statement for public comment most 15 likely in April of 2010.
16 While this slide lists the milestones for 17 the environmental review and opportunity for public 18 involvement, the safety review will also be performed 19 in accordance with a schedule that is listed at the 20 NRC website.
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20 1 local area. The Coastal Region Library has agreed to 2 make the license renewal application available for 3 public review. When the draft Supplemental 4 Environmental Impact Statement is published for 5 comment, it will also be at the library. They will 6 also be available online on the NRC's public website.
7 As you came in you were asked to fill out 8 a registration card at our reception table, and if you 9 included your address on that card, we will mail a 10 copy of the draft and the final EIS to you.
11 And this concludes my portion of the 12 presentation.
13 MR. WRONA: Thank you, Rob and Elaine.
14 With that, we now move into the portion of 15 the meeting where we're going to receive comments from 16 you all. I have received four speaker cards so far, 17 and I'll just go in order. And just as a reminder, if 18 you could come up the mic, introduce yourself, and 19 then keep your comments concise and to the point, we'd 20 certainly appreciate that.
21 Again, only one speaker at a time. This 22 meeting is transcribed, and it helps us get a clean 23 transcript of the meeting.
24 And, that's all I have. So with that, if 25 Mr. Mark Klutho --
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21 1 MR. KLUTHO: Emily's going to speak first.
2 MR. WRONA: Okay. Ms. Emily Casey.
3 MS. CASEY: Hello. My name's Emily Casey.
4 I just came with a few comments. I have been at the 5 NRC meetings for other reasons the last couple of 6 months.
7 I just wanted to say a couple things. If 8 CR-3 gets the permission to operate for another 20 9 years, what I would like to see, and what a lot of 10 people in the community would like to see, is an 11 outside source to do environmental radiation 12 monitoring for the air and water quality. I do 13 believe that right now there is not an outside source.
14 I would love to be able to see that data realtime 15 online. So we really feel that that would be an 16 important thing to see.
17 However, what I really feel like we should 18 be doing, is decentralizing the power, such as solar 19 on homes, solar on schools. Then maybe not only would 20 we not need a nuclear power plant, but another thing 21 that Citrus County has, that I find quite annoying, is 22 if you look on the EPA website for air quality, we 23 have very poor air quality. And you go on there, you 24 find out, well, what are they monitoring.
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22 1 they are monitoring, but mostly it's the big 2 conglomerate that's out there, four coal plants and 3 one nuclear power plant. Now, they've mentioned 4 everything that's in the air quality that they 5 monitor, and it just doesn't really look too good to 6 have this poor of air quality in Citrus County, and 7 then other counties with larger population have better 8 air quality than we do.
9 So I would like to not have a nuclear 10 power plant, and for us to be going with renewables.
11 I think that's the way to go. We are at a point in 12 time where we need to really make some tough 13 decisions. Which way is it? Are we going to take the 14 business as usual road, or are we going to use new 15 technology and go with renewables?
16 No, I'm not against Progress Energy making 17 money. So if it takes changing the way you make money 18 to be able to do that, then that's fine. You know, 19 just not getting it from the ratepayers. But that's 20 a whole 'nother thing. I don't want that interpreted 21 as not to pay power bills. Now, don't get me wrong 22 about that.
23 So what I would really like for you all to 24 be doing is be very progressive and go with the 25 renewable energies. That's what I'd like to see.
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23 1 However, if we do have CR-3, then we would like to see 2 more outside monitoring.
3 And, I think that's really all I have to 4 say at this time. Preferably the renewables and solar 5 energy is the way to go here, with, you know, solar on 6 every rooftop, including the schools. And for any 7 flat top roofs that has businesses -- and it doesn't 8 have to be that way anymore.
9 That's one thing I wanted to say. It 10 doesn't have to be those big solar panels anymore.
11 There's technologies that are out there now, and 12 that's changing constantly. So I think that would 13 really be the way to go.
14 And that's really all I have to say.
15 Thank you.
16 MR. WRONA: Thank you, Ms. Casey.
17 Up next, if we could have Mr. Gary 18 Maidhof.
19 MR. MAIDHOF: My name is Gary Maidhof. I 20 am the Citrus County Director of the Department of 21 Development Services.
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24 1 and they have established the large Crystal River 2 complex, which has a total of five plants, one of 3 which is the plant we are speaking of tonight, and 4 then the other four coal plants.
5 Because of that significant presence, 6 Citrus County established a element within our 7 comprehensive plan, a growth management tool that is 8 required under State statute, a land use specific to 9 that, that is reflected both on our generalized future 10 land use map and an element within our comprehensive 11 plan.
12 That element specifically addresses the 13 environmental concerns of the facility, and specific 14 to the nuclear power plant, *the concern that has been 15 raised is the potential impact to adjacent land uses, 16 specifically in regards to residential densities. To 17 that end I would'point out that Progress Energy, and 18 again their predecessor, Florida Power Corporation, 19 has worked extensively with us to support us both 20 financially and technically and with training in being 21 prepared to deal with an event, should one occur, 22 though one has never occurred, within Citrus County.
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25 1 facilitate monitoring if that were to occur. So we 2 are well prepared on that front.
3 The other aspect that comes into plan in 4 regards to this is, because we have a specific land 5 use and specifically as an item that you've raised as 6 an issue, this facility is deemed to be consistent and 7 conforming to Citrus County's land use plan. The 8 nuclear facility and the supporting transmission 9 towers are allowable within the land use and this is 10 not a non-conforming system.
11 One of the impacts that occurs when any 12 power plant has to deal -- that's on the coast has to 13 deal with heat generated from water discharge. And 14 Progress Energy has been exemplary in trying to 15 mitigate those impacts as best they can through heat 16 reducing measures.
17 Regardless, they have also taken a very 18 pro-active approach of establishing Americulture 19 Center to provide an augmentation to natural 20 populations on localized fish and other coastal 21 species to offset any impacts that may occur through 22 their process. And, to their credit, a number of 23 years ago they were agreeable to, and shifted some of 24 the pieces to assist us -- specifically shifted to the 25 Bay Scallop, to assist in the reestablishment of that NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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26 1 population off of Citrus County's coast, and we have 2 accomplished that to the point where we have restored 3 what was a recreational harvest opportunity in our 4 summer, and that is now ongoing, and Progress Energy 5 was a participant with that.
6 Also in regards to water quality. Of 7 course the cooling system has water withdrawal that 8 involves both some groundwater and also surface water.
9 There is an extensive attempt to reuse water and to 10 limit their consumption. But I would point out that 11 while it is not currently available, is likely that if 12 this is approved there will be an opportunity for 13 Progress Energy to partner with the County and/or the 14 City of Crystal River in utilizing reused water from 15 one or more municipal treatment plants as an 16 augmentation and substitute for groundwater withdrawal 17 or surface water. So I would encourage that when that 18 opportunity arises that we pursue that.
19 Another aspect involving Progress Energy 20 from an environmental standpoint is, the coastal area, 21 due to development impacts, both related to the 22 facility as well as in general development impacts, 23 has resulted in invasive species. Specifically some 24 species of plants, like Brazilian Pepper, and there is 25 some wildlife impacts. Progress Energy has been NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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27 1 extremely proactive in trying to control those 2 invasive species on property under their control. And 3 has been supportive in assisting agencies outside 4 their general control through mitigation projects and 5 things of that nature.
6 Lastly, I would point out that there are 7 a number of endangered species that are located within 8 Citrus County. Some of high prominence. Of course 9 the West Indian Florida Manatee. And Progress Energy 10 has taken extensive steps, both through engineering 11 and operation, to ensure that those species are not 12 adversely impacted. That includes not only exclusions 13 and things of that nature from a structural 14 standpoint, but they also are participants in our 15 Manatee Protection Plan, and understand that the heat 16 sources that are generated by their existing 17 facilities become a warm water refuge in the winter, 18 and they make sure that they do not adversely impact 19 on animals during that period.
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28 1 have their growing years in this area of the State.
2 They have done extensively to reduce and eliminate 3 those types of impacts.
4 So overall I would strongly support the 5 renewal of this license. I would encourage Progress 6 Energy to continue in the program they have, and to be 7 open to new programs that may be available to us down 8 the road to even further reduce environmental impacts 9 should they occur. Thank you.
10 MR. WRONA: Thank you, Mr. Maidhof.
11 Mr. Mark Klutho.
12 MR. KLUTHO: Mark Klutho, 14496 1 2 0 th 13 Avenue North, Largo.
14 I almost wore this shirt tonight 15 (Indicating.) but I had to wear this one that I had on 16 yesterday at the Hillsborough County Commission 17 meeting, and then for all the idiots at the tea party 18 in Downtown Tampa.
19 This one here has Mr. Sun on it, and above 20 it it says: "I support Nuclear Power" 93 million 21 miles away.
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29 1 stopped doing that, after Avery Lovins met with the 2 Editorial Board, way back in 1992. And you can see, 3 the ink ran a little bit. It was a downpour. All the 4 people were crying for me out there in the rain. I 5 said, "It's nothing like the monsoons I experienced in 6 Viet Nam."
7 I read recently that the NRC just approved 8 the extension of the license, I believe, for the 9 oldest nuclear power plant in the country. And you 10 know what I see here, is kind of what appears to be a 11 rubber stamping. And I don't know if you want to call 12 it a truism or maybe a tenet, but one of those old, 13 old ones, it's called "Keep It Simple Stupid." And 14 just like the boondoggle, the Space Shuttle, there 15 will be catastrophes.
16 And there was that plant up in Ohio. How 17 thin did that metal get? Was it three-sixteenths or 18 a sixteenth of an inch before somebody caught that 19 one? What kind of monitoring was happening there?
20 And I don't know if this was before or 21 after a license was extended, but then I hear the NRC 22 can't control nuclear waste being sent from overseas 23 into this country. Nope, we can't do anything about 24 that. And then, not too long ago, there was an 25 article in the paper, you know, of course you've heard NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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30 1 about how great the nuclear power is in France.
2 Seventy, seventy-five percent of their electricity 3 from the nukes. Well, there is a big protest in 4 Germany, 15,000 on the railroad track, trying to stop 5 a train with waste from France to be stored in 6 Germany. While Germany is going to phase out their 7 nuclear power. Once the licenses expire on those 8 plants in Germany they will no longer run. If it's so 9 great in France, why does the waste go into Germany?
10 Something's wrong. And then, and then 11 there was a show on WMNF. Go to Michio Kaku's 12 website. You heard of him? Michio Kaku at New York 13 City University? He interviewed this individual. I 14 don't remember his name, I don't remember the 15 organization. I don't have time to keep track of it 16 all.
17 But Yucca Mountain? It's not going to 18 happen. All the billions that have gone into that 19 place. "Hey, it's going to be a wonderful thing 20 there." But they didn't check for seismic activity.
21 They didn't check to see how much water's getting into 22 the place. So all the waste is going to stay at all 23 these power plants.
24 I mean this is really something. And I 25 did bring my papers tonight so you guys could know.
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31 1 Who's Who In America.. I brought my DD-214, and most 2 of all, Nuclear Weapons Assembly Team. I'm coming at 3 it from a unique prospective here.
4 And the book from Amory Lovins, Non-5 Nuclear Futures. The Case For An Ethical Energy 6 Strategy, copyright 1975. And here is this Time 7 Magazine from January 1 2 th, 2009, "Why Do We Need To 8 See The Light About Energy Efficiency."
9 And what Amory Lovins says here, 10 "Efficiency guru Amory Lovins argues that today's best 11 techniques could save the US half our oil and gas and 12 three-fourths of our electricity."
13 The last four electric bills at our house 14 were $23.45, $23.54, $23.75, and $21.98. And all 15 we've done so far is the solar thermal for hot water.
16 The rest is through efficiency.
17 And, there is also in here an article 18 about the nuclear. And you can also, on the newsstand 19 right now, find a special issue about energy from the 20 National Geographic. And you know, when I said that 21 truism, that tenet about "Keep It Simple," I mean 22 there is also that old saying of Murphy's Law, "What 23 can go wrong, will."
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32 1 hasn't happened before. You're not talking about a 2 horse and buggy, or an internal combustion engine.
3 And what you're doing is you're bombarding steel and 4 concrete with radiation. And I don't care who you 5 are, you don't know what the effect is going to be, 6 especially since you just said, you can increase the 7 output by fifteen percent. You're rolling the dice.
8 In fact, if you check with the odds makers in Vegas, 9 the odds are fifty percent that there's going to be a 10 catastrophe. What kind of odds are those?
11 And then, that Wednesday, October 1st, USA 12 Today article stated, that 10,000 years that waste has 13 to be sequestered. Oh, no, no, no, no. It must be 14 sequestered for up to one million years. Okay. Who 15 is the wizard that's going to show me how they're 16 going to give a million year guarantee? I will never 17 be convinced. It's something you shouldn't be 18 touching if you have to say that you have to sequester 19 it for a million years.
20 And then these plants, what are they after 21 you can't use them anymore? They're the worst 22 superfund site in the world. And you know it's so 23 funny that after the Tribune writes their pro-nuclear 24 power editorial, that they print this column, "A 25 Nuclear Bull's-Eye Is On Our Back." I mean you want NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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33 1 to talk about safety. FBI Director Robert Mueller 2 also warned about the risk of malicious disruption of 3 nuclear reactors. Al-Queda planner Kahlid Sheikh 4 Mohammed had nuclear power plants as part of his 5 target set. And we have no reason to believe that Al-6 Queda has reconsidered. Mueller had testified before 7 the Senate Committee on Intelligence.
8 Well, you can say those planes can't go 9 though the three-foot walls of the reactor building, 10 but what about all the stuff that's stored out in the 11 pools. And all of these mock raids that they do on 12 the power plants. They always get in. And they're 13 with little-bitty contingents. I mean it's a farce.
14 Why it was Dateline or 60 Minutes over 15 there in South Africa, the show they had on there.
16 Holy cow. I mean you people are living in a dream 17 world. You know, this is the unabridged version of 18 this article, "A Nuclear Bull's-Eye Is On Our Back,"
19 written by Michael Totten. You can find it in this 20 Solar Today From September/October 2008.
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34 1 reading is that these plants over there in 2 Scandinavia, they're going way over budget. I mean 3 this -- and last summer I was here for a hearing for 4 the new plants. And all incandescent weren't in this 5 -- it wasn't in this room. But still all incandescent 6 bulbs. And I think I said, the book, Plan B, by 7 Lester Brown, just by doing the efficient lighting 8 that we can do, 700 of the 2,360 coal fire power 9 plants in use in the world could be turned off. I 10 mean talk about a stupid populous. Now, you can't get 11 there? You're going to do nuclear power?
12 Well, there's going to be a fiasco. it 13 may not be Crystal River and it may not be up in Levy 14 County, but it is going to happen. Guaranteed, it's 15 going to happen. And you know the way I see the NRC, 16 because I've said this, because this is the third time 17 I've been before the NRC in less than a year. And 18 I'll be at every hearing that the NRC comes and has, 19 where I can speak. And I have been following it, like 20 I say.
21 Copyright 1975 (Indicating.) Nuclear 22 Weapons Assembly Team, 1970 (Indicating.) And I 23 protested up in Missouri when I lived in St. Louis.
24 One day Union Electric up there built that plant on 25 the Missouri River back in the '70s.
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35 1 But the way I see the NRC, you've heard 2 that saying, "The fox guarding the hen house." Well, 3 this is a much bigger situation here. It's more like 4 a pack of jackals or a pack of hyenas guarding the hen 5 house. No reflection on the jackals or the hyenas, 6 because they're only doing what comes naturally.
7 But you people aren't reasoning. You're 8 acting without conscious. You're wasting. I mean, 9 you know, one of my favorite quips from Amory Lovins.
10 "To heat your water with electricity is like cutting 11 butter with a chain saw." Now, that says you're 12 really damn stupid. And like I say, the odds makers, 13 one in two, fifty percent. And, you know, to Mr.
14 Bureaucrat there, they had a big gathering of all the 15 experts after we had the hurricanes, after 2004.
16 And isn't this part of the SWFWMD area 17 here? Aren't you in the SWFWMD area of the State?
18 (No response.)
19 MR. KLUTHO: Well, there's a 20 representative from the state of Florida that sees 21 over the safety of this area, and they had people from 22 universities and the emergency management directors.
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36 1 that bridge, that I-10 bridge up there in the 2 Panhandle where that hurricane knocked it into the 3 water? They're the same ones that made the bridge 4 going down to the Everglades." And you know what 5 happened? These emergency directors, the college 6 presidents and all of these experts, they're all, "Ha, 7 ha, ha, look at this funny joke." A person like you 8 laughing at this joke.
9 Well, guess what? This company, they 10 presented the low price to the bid on the specs that 11 were given to them by the powers that be. And the guy 12 that's going to be -- you're saying, "Oh, we have all 13 the means to protect should there be some kind of a 14 disaster." Here is this fool from the State, that's 15 overseeing this area in case there is some kind of a 16 disaster, making such an asinine, stupid joke, and 17 then all of these other people that are supposed to be 18 the protectors, laughing at the joke, instead of one 19 of them saying, "Hold on a minute. That contractor 20 was only following the plans and bidding on what they 21 said how high to make that deck above the water.
22 Because you didn't say we should be planning for a 23 Hurricane 4. All we should do is plan for a Hurricane 24 1 or 2."'
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37 1 there will be a catastrophe coming. And like I say, 2 it may not be this one, but you do another 20 years 3 and you up the output, you keep bombarding that steel 4 and concrete with radiation, it's coming. It is 5 coming.
6 MR. WRONA: Thank you, Mr. Klutho.
7 And next, Dixie Hollins, Mr. Dixie 8 Hollins.
9 MR. HOLLINS: Thank you. My name's Dixie 10 Hollins, and I would first like to speak as 11 representative of the Citrus County Chamber of 12 Commerce. We have 1200 members and we've been a part 13 of this community and part of Progress Energy. Back 14 then it was Florida Power, today it's Progress Energy.
15 And we embrace the relicensing of this nuclear power 16 plant. Units 1, 2, 3, 4, and the nuclear power plant 17 is the provider for jobs here in this community. It's 18 the provider for much needed electricity in this 19 region. It has provided for our education system in 20 this community, for our safety, of the sheriff and the 21 hospitals that have come up here because of this power 22 plants. And we encourage the relicensing of this 23 plant.
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38 1 will bring over 3, 000 employees to this community.
2 And the economics of this community right now is just 3 about as low as we can go.
4 We support this retrofitting. We support 5 the more capacity that this plant can produce the most 6 -- the needed electricity. We support the taxes that 7 it generates for this community.
8 The environmental review. And I'Im now 9 going to speak on behalf of Dixie Hollins, not the 10 Chamber of Commerce. I used to live -- and the only 11 reason I don't live there next to the nuclear power 12 plant anymore, is to be honest and truthful with you 13 all, is that my father passed away and we had to sell 14 our beautiful ranch to pay inheritance tax. And 15 that's the only reason I don't live there today.
16 I used to live there next to the nuclear 17 power plant, and I can tell you they were good 18 neighbors, and good, safe neighbors. They went beyond 19 the call of duty to embrace this community. They put 20 saltwater towers up to lower the water going out to 21 the Gulf of Mexico.
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39 1 time and the expense to put salt drift monitors --
2 because I was in the timber business I had some 3 concern over the salt drift coming out of the cooling 4 towers. And there was none.
5 And they were there and still are there to 6 embrace this community. And they have a railroad 7 track down there, they have 1500 employees down there.
8 They do beyond the call of duty to being a good 9 neighbor, which I previously said.
10 The Chamber, again, will support this.
11 And I, as an individual, have been in this community 12 for a long time, will continue to support nuclear 13 power here in Crystal River. And especially the 14 retrofitting and also the new licensing of the nuclear 15 power plant. I appreciate your comments.
16 1 would also like to suggest, for the 17 benefit of all, that the Florida Power or Progress 18 Energy, before they open it to public speaking, put 19 some kind of a time limit so all of us can have the 20 equal opportunity. Thank you.
21 MIR. WRONA: Thank you, Mr. Hollins.
22 That was all the yellow cards I have for 23 people registered to speak.
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40 1 fill out a card?
2 (No response.)
3 MR. WRONA: Just before we close out the 4 meeting I'd like to mention a few things. A copy of 5 the handouts are on the table, if you didn't have a 6 chance to pick one up. And as Rob and Elaine 7 mentioned, in those handouts are other methods to 8 contact us and send *us any comments. If another 9 speaker sparks something and you wanted to make a 10 comment to us and didn't have the chance tonight, you 11 can certainly e-mail it to us or send it in the U.S.
12 Mail. And again, all that information is in the 13 handout, so take one of those.
14 All the comments we receive today and all 15 the comments that will come in either through the mail 16 or through e-mail, will be considered by the staff, 17 and will be addressed when we develop our Supplemental 18 Environmental Impact Statement -- the draft Supplement 19 Environmental Impact Statement.
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41 1 Impact Statement.
2 And with that, this meeting is closed.
3 Thank you for coming out tonight. We appreciate the 4 comments.
5 (Whereupon, at 8:05 p.m., meeting 6 concluded.)
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