ML062790371
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| Site: | Kewaunee  |
| Issue date: | 08/29/2002 |
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1 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3
4 OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS 5 INTERVIEW 6 ------------------------------- x 7 IN THE MATTER OF:
8 INTERVIEW OF : Docket No.
9 3-2002-004 _6 :"
10 (CLOSED)
- 11. ------------------------ x 12 Thursday, August 29, 2002 13 Hilton Newark Airport Hotel 14 1170 Spring Street 15 Elizabeth, New Jersey 16 17 The above-entitled interview was conducted 18 at 4:30 p.m.
19 20 BEFORE:
21 Special Agent Mary Kay Fahey 22 23 l nfo nation in this record was deleted jit al ;ordance with the Freedom of Information Act, ixemptions _ EXHIBIT. q
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2 1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2 4:30 p.m.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: This is the 4 interview o f spelle*
5 who is a former welder for Day and Zimmerman Nuclear 6 Power System with the Kewaunee Nuclear Power Plant 7 during the fall outage of 2001.
8 Today's date is August 29, 2002. The time 9 is approximately 4:35 p.m.
10 This interview is being conducted at the 11 Hilton Newark Airport Hotel located at 1170 Spring 12 Street, Elizabeth, New Jersey.
13 My name is Mary Kay Fahey. I'm a Special 14 Agent with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission's 15 Office of Investigations in.Region III.
16 This interview is being transcribed by 17 Court Reporter Mary Ann Massey.
18 The subject matter of this interview is a 19 fitness-for-duty concern at the Kewaunee Nuclear Power 20 Plant during a refuel outage in .2001. And this 21 incident was brought to the NRC's attention by the 22 Licensee, Nuclear Management Company.
23 Mr. please raise your right hand?
24 Do you swear that the information you're about to give 25 is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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3 1 truth so help you God?
FIR 2 MR. * , I do.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, and before we 4 went on the record we had discussion an 7(c) 5 6
MR.* Right.
7 8 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And all 9 documentation that. you have .
10 11 And have you subsequently sought legal 12 counsel for advice on several of the matters we're 13 going to talk about today?
' MR.
- I have.
14 15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY:. And are you 16 currently represented by an attorney?
MR._ 1011- No.-
17 18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And just for the 19 record, during our telephone conversation when we 20 scheduled this interview, we discussed the fact that 21 you didn't feel it was necessary to have counsel 22 present today. However, if at any time during this 23 interview you feel uncomfortable with the line of 24 questioning, you agree that you'll stop the interview?
MR.-M lh. Right.
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4 1 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And we'll arrange a 2 second interview with counsel present.
3 And for the record, do you want to put who 4 your attorney is?
5 MR.* John Paul McQuigg.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Is he 7 MR.S A Yes.
A EA0jPCA 8 SPECIAL AGENT FAH EY: Some background.
9 Date of birth.
20 ii SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Social Security 12 Number.
13 14 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Home addJress.
15 MR.
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'17 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And home telephone 18 number.
19 MR. No home telephone. Cell 20 phone number..
21 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Cell phone number.
22 MR.
- 23 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, and some 24 employment history. Where are you currently employed?
25 MR.** I'm currently employed at NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE.. N.W.
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5 1 Linden Power Plant, Linden, New Jersey.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: As a welder?
MR.: Yes.
3 4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How long have you 5 been here?
6 MR'. Eight days.
7 SPECIAL.AGENT FAHEY: And prior to that?
8 MR.
- PCI Energy Services, 9 Richmond, Virginia.
10 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How long were you --
11 MR. . I was there for 21 days.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Do you recall 13 the dates that you worked for-Day & Zimmerman, Nuclear 14 Power Systems at Kewaunee?
15 MR At Kewaunee, May 5, 2001, I 16 believe was the day that I hired in at Kewaunee. I 17 had just finished up a shutdown at Point Beach and I 18 transferred from Point Beach to Kewaunee. I got laid 19 off on October 12, 2001.
20 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And laid off because 21 the job was finished or terminated?
22 MR.-** No, we was. laid off. Our 23 job was finished.
24 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And were you a 25 welder at Kewaunee?
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6 2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And at Point Beach?
3 MR., *Right. Yes.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And then did you 5 have a series of jobs between Kewaunee and Linden 6 Power?
7 MR Sure, yes. I went to St.
8 Lucie Power Plant for Day & Zimmerman.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How long were you 10 there?
.1 MR. & Twenty-eight days.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Any other nuclear 13 plants?
14 MR. No, that was my last one.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: But that immediately 16 followed QI?
17 MR. No, there was about a 3 or 18 4 week lapse in there, I believe. I'd like to say it 19 was longer than that. It was almost a month.
20 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. I said on the 21 record, fall outage, is that what it was? I mean you 22 were hired in in May. Was some of that work youdid 23 between May?
24 MR. There was a lot of pre-fab 25 work before the outage.
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7 1 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, pre-outage 2 work.
3 And have you worked for NMC since then?
MR.. No.
4 5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And during the 2001 6 pre-outage at Kewaunee, did you have fitness-for-duty 7 concerns about another employee?
MR*I did.
8 9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Who was the employee 10 that you raised the concerns about?
11 12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And do you know what 13 position he held?
14 MR.' Foreman.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Was he your foreman?
MR.* No.
16 17 SPECIAL' AGENT FAHEY: And why did you 18 raise that concern?
19 MR. . Possibility of coming to 20 work under the influence of alcohol.
21 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Why did you reach 22 that conclusion?. Can you tell me what you observTed?
23 *MR.. Because of odor.
24 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Odor of alcohol?
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8 1 rumor.
2 SPI*CIAL AGENT FAHEY: Rumor of what?
3 MR Of coming to work with 4 alcohol smell.
5 SPEECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So there were rumors 6 among your co-v :orkers?
7 MR. .4- were rumors among There 8 everybody in the plant.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, that 10 ,.smelled of alcohol or was unfit for duty?
11 MR..: The smell of alcohol and 12 that there was the possibility that that was not the 13 f irst time. I did not know very 14 well.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you just 16 interact with him one day?
.17 MR.. Well, basically yeah. One 18 time* I had an interaction with him and that was the o 19 day we were supposed to go -n 1 were 20 supposed to go work for him that day. That was when 21 I told my supervisor that I felt uncomfortable working 22 for this man because of the possibility of him being 23 drunk.
24 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Now is that the same 25 day that you smelled alcohol on him?
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9 l MR Yes.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So you were in 3 physical close proximity to him?
4 MR.. Correct.
5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And do you remember 6 what day it was or do you have a rough idea?
7 MR. It was some time after --
8 some time the end of July.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Pre-outage?
- 10. MR. Yes.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Now would there be 12 any record that* -supervised you that day?
13 Or was it kind of an off-the-cuff thing, you guys were 14 going to go work for him that day?
S15MR Yeah.
16 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And you reported it
- 17. to your supervisor who was?
18 MR.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY:. Do you remember 20 where he worked? Time of day?
21 MR. It'was probably around an 22 hour after our start time which would have been around 23 8 o'clock a.m. We were in our fab shop and I cannot 24 remember what the name of that building is. It's a 25 tractor shed is what it was. It had been converted NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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10 1 over into a temporary fab shop for us.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Was anybody 3 else present?
5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Who else?
6 MR..VMj1 There were several other 7 people in the vicinity, but as far as being in our 8 little circle of people having a conversation, it was 9 just me and W "W o Ln 10 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And what was W
- 12. response to you when you raised the concern?
.12 MR.ME It was kind of like a-- I 13 can' t remember exactly word for word what he said, but 14 it was kind of put to me like okay, don't worry about 15 it. I'll take care of it.
16 As a result, we didn't go work for him 17 because of the fact that we did bring that up and the
.18 issue wasn't pushed.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did anybody else go 20 to work for him?
- 21. MR. - No, not that day.
22 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you know if 23 as requested to be tested?
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11 1 observations, did you believ was unfit for 2 duty or impaired?
3 MR.,To watch him walk, no. To 4 smell him, possib.ly. I'm not an expert on alcohol.
5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So no stumbling, 6 slurred speech?
7 MR. No.
"8 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: But then again, 9 you're not a doctor.
10 MR. Right.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And**.is the 12 only one you reported the concern to?
MR..1 Right. And if I'm gipt 14 mistaken, under Kewaunee Nuclear Plant FFD rules and 15 regulations that is my responsibility is to report it 16 to my immediate supervisor.
17 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Now after the 18 fact did you tell anybody else that you had raised 19 this concern, co-workers, other supervisors?
20 MR-? Yes.
21 SPECIAL.AGENT FAHEY: Who did you tell?
22' MR. -.. )was made aware of 23 it.
24 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How long after the 25 fact?
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12 1 MR. That same day.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you do that?
3 MR.' Yeah.
4 SPECIAL. AGENT FAHEY: You told
.5 personally?
6 MR. Yes.
7 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How much later 8 during the day?
9 MR-,* It was close to the end of 10 the work day which would have been somewhere around 3 11 o'clock.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: What was his 13 response?
14 MR., I really can't -- it was 15 kind of a -- not really a surprise to him.
16 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, so he just 17 acknowledged that you gave him the information.
18 MR. Yes.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Anybody else present 20 when you had the conversation with 21 MR. Yeah, there were several 22 people there, but as far as whether or not they were 23 listening, I couldn't tell you that.
24 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: But it was not.
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13 1 right?
2 MR,.ý* Everybody already knew.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay.
4 MR. , Construction workers are 5 like a bunch of gossiping people. It's like that old 6 saying if you want to keep a secret, you don't tell no 7 one. It wasn't a big secret on the job. Everybody 8 knew about it.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And who else did you 10 tell that day?
11 12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How do you spell 13 that last name?
14 MR.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: What was 16 position?
17 MR.1 4 was the Office Manager 18 for DZ.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY.: What was 20 response?
21 MR. As far as him being drunk or 22 supposedly drunk or the smell of alcohol on him?
23 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Well, what did 24 say about the information that you were giving,20" 25 Is.. clerical help?
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14 1 MR. Yes, # was clerical.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY. Did (Vi)seem 3 surprised?
4 MR. Not really. I mean, I guess 5 in a roundabout way -probably was. was 6 probably surprised that- he was still there. Because 7 usually to the best of my knowledge when a person is 8 reported for an FFD violation are usually removed from 9 the job that day, shortly after the report. Not .for 10 being guilty of the fact, but for testing. Testing 11 don't take 5 or 10 minutes. It usually takes all day.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you see 13 the rest of the day?
14 MR. w No, I didn't see him the 15 rest of the day that day.
16 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Who else did you 17 tell?
18 MR. i : That was about it.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did-you tell 20 on the same day?
21 MR. Yes, it was that evening 22 after work.
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15 1 week before we went over to in-service inspection?
MR. Uh-huh.
2 3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Was he your 4 supervisor?
5 MR.: Yes, he was.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And during that week 7 that he supervised you, did you notice a smell of 8 alcohol?
9 MR No, because I had no contact 10 with him.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, so on paper he 12 was your supervisor?
13 MR.,* Right.
14 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: But didn't 15 physically come out and supervise?
16 MR., No, he didn't.
17 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you know if he 18 was on site?
19 MR. He was on-site.
20 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And then how much 21 day to day contact with him after that?
22 MR.* If I got to work the same 23 time he did and went through security at the same time 24 he did that was about the only contact that I had with 25 him.
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16 1 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Until this one day 2 when you were going to be assigned to work for him?
3 MR.* Correct.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you ever have 5 any direct conversation with about this?
6 MR. i No, I did not.
7 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Even after you left, 8 there haven't been any phone calls or have you 9 contacted him at home or he attempted to contact you?
10 MR.
- I personally have not 1i contacted him. I don't know whether my attorney did 12 or not. I know that he was supposed to.
13 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay.
14 MR. -I did hear rumor from people 15 up there that was involved in this, that he had been 16 contacted by other people up there in that area. His 17 response Was kind of, to the whole situation, was kind 18 of surprising to me,. that when we were denied and I 19 mean we, 'and I were denied an interview 20 because of all of this by Mr. Hal Walker, what I was 21 told that he wasn't mad. He was mad becauseN 22 was still working there and thati 23 said nothing happened to him.
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17 1 MR.I
- Because lied.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: About?
3 MR.
- About me and 4 telling hit had the smell of 5 alcohol on him.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, and how do you 7 know that?
8 MR. That he lied?
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Yes.
10 MR. I got my access denied, 11 that's why.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: You've got to draw.
13 the connection for me.
14 MR. I have an affidavit from 15 stating thatL __ admitted he lied 16 to security when they interviewed Mr.
17 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. How did you 18 get the affidavit?
19 MR. I got the affidavit from 20 n the telephone. And my lawyer then contacted 21 nd did a phone deposition and I've got a 22 copy of that deposition.
23 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So you telephon(¢ 24 first? You had a personal conversation.
25 MR. Correct.
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18 1 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: In which 2 told you that lied, lied to the Licensee's 3 investigator or lied to me, lied to who?
4 MR. l§ Well, this was before the 5 NRC was involved in this.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay.
7 MR_ This was back in the spring, 8 early spring of this year.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay.
10 MR. That he had lied to the 11 Licensee.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. And then a 13 deposition was taken over the phone?
14 MR. . Correct.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Was 16 represented, do you know?
17 MR. It was a voluntary 18 deposition.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Were you present?
20 MR. I was not.
21 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So your attorney had 22 a conversation with and as far as you know just 23 the two of them were present?
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19 1 typed up an affidavit?
2 MR . Correct.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And did~cII,*SIý 4 sign it?
5 MR : No, he did not.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you know why he 7 didn't sign it?
8 MR I do.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Would you tell us 10 here today?
11 MR. RN Sure. when he 12 give this deposition over the telephone to my* ,
13 iN O\N69.hat he was more than happy to do it, he 14 did it on a voluntary basis. The affidavit was typed 15 up. The affidavit was then sent by registered mail to 16- or him to sign it in front of a notary and 17 then return it. Thirty days went by and we did not 18 get no return of that deposition, that affidavit. So 19 I called to find out what. gI had 20 been laid off after the outage. And he was trying to 21 get back to work out there, trying to go back to work 22 at Point Beach. And then 30 days that elapsed while 23 we were waiting for the deposition to come back signed 24 by him, he had been sent to Point Beach to go to work.
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20 1 affidavit, that that would put his job in jeopardy, so 2 he refused to sign it.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And why would it put 4 his job in jeopardy?
5 MR.I Because he feels, he still 6 feels this way by the way, he feels that if he was to 7 sign this deposition, him working for under the direct 8 supervisor ofL4460 then 1 9 find a way to terminate him and that's what he's 10 afraid of. *So he refuses to sign the affidavit. He 11 doesn't refuse the fact that the statements are true.
12 He's refusing to sign it because of retribution.
13 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. What wasi 14 osition at the time this all was going on?
15 MR.position was he 16 was the project superintendent.
17 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So he was actually 18 19 -MR. Yes, he was.
20 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Let' s back up a 21 little bit to your comment that was upset wit*
22 23 And this was ali hearsay, right? You 24 heard this. You don't know this for a fact.
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2 Tomwo 4 !
SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Did 3 0know that you had raised a concern about
.4 him, you specifically?
5 MR."* Yes.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you know how he 7 -knew that?
8 MR. 10 He was either told b o 9 A or someone else. I'm not sure.
10 He was told bj somebody.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Was he told at the 12 time or do you think he learned subsequently?
13 MR. I think that he found out 14 when Security had started their investigation and 15 interviews with everybody that worked up there on that 16 outage which I think started some time around the 17 first of January of this year.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So basically, once 19 you raised the concern, you and Mr.. was the 20 matter dropped? There was no other discussion about 21 it?
22 MR. Yes, that was the end of it 23 as far as I was concerned there was nothing else ever 24 said about it.
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22 1 were all laid off because the job was completed. You 2 all went to different plants to work.
3 MR. Correct.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And then 5 subsequently in late winter, say November, December, 6 January, questions started getting asked again by the 7 Licensee?
8 MR. II'm not real sure about 9 that. I live i .. I left the very next day 10 after I got laid off and went home.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: When was it next.
12 raised as far as you're concerned?
13 MR January 14, 2002.
14 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. And you were 15 contacted by somebody at home?
16 MR.. Yes, I was. No. I wasn't 17 contacted at home. He called my Union Hall and I just 18 happened to be there.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Who's "he"?
20 MR. Hal Walker.
21 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: He is?
22 MR I'm not real sure who he is.
23 He told me. -- he identified himself to me as an 24 investigator for employees' concern at Point Beach 25 Nuclear Plant.
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23 1 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And he asked you 2 questions about this incident?
3 O :
.R. Yes, he asked me questions 4 about this incident.
5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Just over the phone?
6 MR. Yes.
7 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Have you ever met 8 him in person?
9 MR. No, I have not.
10 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Just one contact 11 with him?
12 MR. No.
13 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: HOw many would you 14 say?
- 15. MR., Two, two contacts.
16 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: He called you back?
17 MR. Yes, he did. Later, it was 18 *about 8:30 that same day, that evening.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Any reason why it 20 was two conversations?
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24 1 stuff?
2 MR. It had to do with the 3 welding stuff.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And I don't 5 particularly care to get into that, unless it pertains 6 to this.
7 MR. Well, it does in my case 8 because something now that after everything is done in 9 the Letter of Denial that I got, the paragraph, the 10 statement that he said, he wrote in there that I --
11 that he was quoting me was not true.
12 He asked me about three different items 13 and he got all my comments about different items was 14 all put into one paragraph that had to do with this 15 FFD thing.
16 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So you've seen some 17 sort of report that he prepared?
18 . MR. Yes.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And is it a personal 20 record of the Investigator's or was a report by the 21 Licensee?
22 MR. It was a report by the 23 Licensee.
24 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How did you see 25 that?
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25 1 MR. It was sent to me Registered 2 Mail from NMC.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Is it a public 4 document, anybody can have access to it?
5 MR." Yes.
6 SPECIAL'AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Do you have 7 a copy of it with you?
8 MR. No, I don't. My attorney 9 has it.
10 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. And is it a 11 page or something, summarizing what you told the 12 Investigator?
13 MR. The entire document, 14 including all their findings and everything was about 15 six or seven pages. But there was one page that had 16 a paragraph written by them that was supposed to be a 17 quote from me.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And you're telling 19 me here today that that quote that was attributed to 20 you is not accurate.
21 Can you tell me what the quote said and 22 then tell me today what's different about it?
23 MR., I'm going to tell you I said 24 what they wrote.
25 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Oh, okay.
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26 1 MR. Okay?
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay.
3 MR. But they're saying I said it 4 pertaining to the FFD violation and in fact, it was 5 not said in context to the FFD violation. It was said 6 about something else.
.7 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you remember what 8 it said?
9 MR., It had to do with the 10 welding is what it had to do with.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And what was the 12 quote?
-13 MR. The quote that I told him 14 was that I was not a mehmber of the Local 400 up there, 15 Local Union 400. I was aand I was told by 16 Mr. that I needed to keep my mouth shut. So 17 in order for me to keep my job, I kept my mouth shut.
18 I didn't say nothing. 'I didn't raise any concerns 19 about it.
20 That was enough people on that job that 21 knew about it.
.22 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Are we talking about 23 the fitness-for-duty?
24 MR. No, we're talking about the 25 welding.
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27 1 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Welding, okay.
2 MR. : Ye.s. That statement was put 3 in my denial letter, my denial of access letter as 4 pertaining to the FFD violation.
5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. So it gave 6 the appearance that you didn't report --
7 MR. Right.
8 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY:
9 MR. That's exactly right.
10 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Because you were a 11 12 MR. Correct.
13 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And you didn't want 14 to create any trouble.
15 MR. Y I'll tell you right now, 16 somebody comes in drunk or anything like that, puts me 17 in jeopardy, yes, I going to report them.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: But you're telling 19 me here today that you did report it?
20 MR. Yes, I did.
21 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: You reported him the 22 day you observed them, the only day you observed him?
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28 1 Did anyone else who worked at Kewaunee at 2 the til me tell you that they had also reported 3 beside -who was involved in 4 the same conversation?
MR. * :Yes, yes.
5 6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And who was that?
7 MSNa 8 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Was he also a
.9 welder?
10 MR.. - - Yes.
11
- SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you know when he 12 reported the issue?
13 MR. Same day.
14 SPECIAL AGENT. FAHEY: Was he aware that 15 you had reported it? Or was it just coincidence?.
16 MR. ON.' It was just coincidence 17 until later on that day when him and I -- well, 18 actually it was the next day.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So you did not know 20 that each other had reported?
MR.* .No.
21 22 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And you had 23 discussed it ahead of time?
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29 1 going to report this guy today?
2 MR. No.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Nothing like that.
4 MR He worked in a different 5 area of the plant than I did.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did W tell you 7 what kind of response he got?
8 MR. No. We just -- the 9 conversation between him and I was that it was 10 coincidental that both of us had reported it and of 11 course, this was the next day and was still 12 there, so undoubtedly he wasn't, he passed his test, 13 if he was tested, if he -- whether or not he was or 14 not, I don't know. And I never asked.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did say who he 16 had reported it to?
17.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Any comments by 19the next day to any of you?
20 MR. No. Whether or not there 21 was any to I don't know. But as far asI 22 know, there wasn't.
23 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you know whether 24 ,andýiscussed it that same day you told 25 them?
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30 1 MR. No, I don't.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did# U1W ever 3 give you any indication that he had had discussions 4 with 5 MR. No. Not that I can 6 remember. Not within a week or two of it. I know 7 that him and. have talked about it off-site a 8 couple of months later. That's when I found out about 9 nwilling to sign the affidavit and that's what 10 the affidavit is about, is their conversation off-site 11 a couple of months later.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Any indication that 13 anyone else was present during that conversation 14 besides the two of them?
15 MR. No, not that I can remember, 16 no.
17 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did 18 ever give you any information about any'conversations 19 he's had with 20 MR. Since all this happened or 21 when this happened?
22 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Since.
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31 1 or. or myself has talked t 2 ;*\ "n the last three months.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you know where he 4 is now?
5 MR. No, I do not.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, and I asked 7 you if you had any first hand knowledge thati 8 was not truthful, or you told me that you had 9 firsthand knowledge?
10 MR. Yes, I do have that.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Have you had any 12 conversations with since you left Kewaunee?
13 MR.. No, I have not.
14 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, let's talk 15 about training. You've already made a statement that 16 you felt that your responsibility was to raise this 17 concern to your immediate supervisor.
18 MR. At Kewaunee Nuclear Power 19 Plant, yes, that is my -- that was my -- that is in 20 the training manual, by the way. Also, several pieces 21 of document that is posted on the NMC's website as far 22 as dealing with fitness-for-duty, the responsibilities 23 of workers' is to report it to their immediate 24 supervisor.
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32 1 your immediate supervisor was a Day & Zimmerman 2 super -visor?
3 MR.- Right, which was....
4 5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, and when you 6 arrived on site at Kewaunee, did you receive general 7 employee training?
8 MR. . Yes, I did.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And was that 10 provided by NMC or was it provided by Day & Zimmerman?
11 MR. . No, it was provided by NMC.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Were you 13 required to take a test on the material?
14 MR. Sure.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you pass the 16 test?
17 MR. W Sure.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you recall 19 whether there was specific questions about 20 fitness-for-duty?
21 MR.1 Yes, there was.
22 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And you just stated 23 what you felt was the appropriate procedure?
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33 1 employee suspects that someone is not fit for duty and 2 you feel that you followed their procedure?
3 MR. Yes I do.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And do you 5 personally, as a contract employee, have any authority 6 to ask another employee to go be tested?
7 MR.
M *Ask that question again.
8 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Could you ask 9 another employee to go get tested if you thought they 10 were unfit?
11 MR.*. Can I ask that employee?
12 SPECIAL-AGENT FAHEY: Yes.
13 MR. No.
.14 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: I mean if you said 15 t *I don't think you're fit for duty, go 16 get tested, you have-no authority to order him to go?
17 MR. No, I do not.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: All right and I 19 already asked you if you knew whethe was 20 ever tested, best on your --
21 MR.. I do not. I do not know.
22 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Now tell me 23 what. your understanding is about coming to work on fit 24 for duty. Is there a certain hour rule or something, 25 you're not supposed to drink so many hours --
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34 1 MR.' You're not supposed to.drink 2 five hours.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Five hours?
4 MR* You can even drink six, 5 seven hours before you come to work and still be on 6 the limits. I mean you have limits that you have to 7 be under.
8 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And if you feel that 9 you are unfit for duty, you're supposed to call in?
10 MR. i : Right.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And tell them that 12 you can't come to work?
13 MR. . That's correct. You're 14 supposed to call and don't show up at the gate.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you tell the NMC 16 Investigator that you did not report your concern 17 regarding the smell of alcohol to anyone?
18 MR.: No, I told him I did report 19 it.
20 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And you told him you 21 reported it to. l 22 MR. Correct.
23 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you tell the 24 Investigator that you were told to keep your mouth 25 shut, however, it was taken out of context?
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35 1 MR. I was told to keep my mouth 2 shut about the problems with the welding.
3 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Right.
4 MR., It wasn't nothing to do with 5 FFD.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Was there any 7 animosity between you ani 8 MR.: No.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How about between you a
- i0 12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Before this 13 happened?
14 MR. Yes.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Yes, okay. You want 16 to explain that a little bit on the record?
17 M Sure. I'm going to have to.
18 To really give you a real, good feeling of what 19 happened, I was here in New Jersey working. Marie 20 Artz called me. This. was about a week before the 21 Point Beach outage. They were needing welders really 22 bad. She called me three times and asked me to come 23 over to to work.
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36 1 speaker phone with him. Mr. Hammers told me that --
2 my concern was coming all the way to Wisconsin to work 3 for 14 days and then be without a job and he told me 4 that if I would come and help him out with the outage 5 at Point Beach that they would roll me directly over 6 to Kewaunee and I could stay right there and-work-all 7 the way through the January change out.
8 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Which was expected 9 to be?
10 MR. F Eighty some odd days 11 starting in--- the end of September.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay.
13 MR.,. So with him telling me that, 14 I left here in New Jersey, quit my job in New Jersey 15 and drove out there and worked the outage. Was sent 16 to Kewaunee after the outage as a welder. There was 17 myself and one other welder sent. The local employees 18 had a real problem with that because I was a.
19 There were local welders that were out of work. But 20 Mr. Hammers *had made a promise to me and I made a 21 promise to Mr. Hammers and as part of that 22 because Mr. Hammers left. He left employment for DZ 23 and went to work for somebody else.
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37 1 there and I worked.
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- SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: *Why a problem with 3
4 MR
- Becaus was a member 5 of Local 400 which is the --
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: That's the Green Bay 7 Local?
8 MR.' That's the Green Bay Local 9 and he felt that I did not need to be there.
10 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: That you actually 11 took somebody else's --
r 12 MR.,* Right. And he knew that he 13 could not get rid of me because he had no legal means 14 to terminate me and he couldn't lay me off becaus*
15 ouldn't let him.
16 So therefore Mr..ad kind of bad 17 taste in his mouth for me. That was kind of how it 18 was. I tried to stay clear of him and he watched me 19 like a hawk.
20 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you think that 21 denying that you raised a concern is 22 retaliation for being from outside the area?
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38 motive would be for that, admitting that you 2 guys had mentioned this to him?
3 MR. Well, several things there 4 He had animosity towards me for being there knocking 5 one of his local brothers out of work. Okay. Also, 6 he knows that if he was to have told Security when 7 they did their investigating and I mean NMC, when they 8 did their investigation, the initial investigation 9 about this, if he had told them that we did tell him, 10 then that would put him in hot water. He could 11 possibly lose his access.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Because he didn't do 13 anything about it at the time?
14 M Because we find out now that 15 nothing was done about it when it was reported, so 16 therefore that would put him in the hot seat, instead 17 of us.
18 When this investigation wasdone, I wasn't 19 in the area, so my investigation, the interview was 20 done by telephone. Everybody else was done in person, 21 like we are now. You can get a whole lot more out of 22 a person by looking at them than you can by with the 23 telephone.
24 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Yes, you can.
25 MR.' So.
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39 1 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How about any 2 animosity between§anlt 3 MR. *Oh yeah, they fought like 4 cats and dogs. Everybody knows that. But then again, 5 it was just -- it wasn't nothing major, but it was 6 just differences of opinion, you know.
7 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did they know each 8 other?
9 MR..,. Sure. Known each other for 10 years.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Had. been 12 promised s job?.
13 MR. I can't say one way or the 14 other.
15 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Have you heard that 16 though?
... qpI.pbtfld L 17 MR. I heard that, yes.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Does the fact that 19 you raised' concerns about is that
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40 1 you suspected he might be unfit for duty? Did you.do 2 it to get back at him because there was some problem 3 about the welding issues?
4no 5 didn't have nothing-to do with welding issues.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. So it was not 7 retaliation?
8 MR. No.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: By you against him 10 for anything?
11 MR. . No. If I got a problem with 12 somebody, I come up to them and tell them.
13 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And you didn't know 14 :before you arrived on site, did you?
15 MR. No.
16 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you work with
- 17. him at Point Beach?
18 MRP 'No. I had never met the man 19 until he came to work because I was there before he 20 came.
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41 1 reported?
2 SPECIAL-AGENT FAHEY: Yes.
3 MR. . Not to my knowledge.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Is there now?
5 MRJJ W If there is, I do not have 6 a copy of it and I have not been made aware of it.
7 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Has NMC ever 8 discouraged you or anyone else that you know of to 9 report fitness-for-duty concerns?
10 MR.. As far reporting them, no.
11 SPECIAL'AGENT FAHEY: But -- it sounds 12 like you want to say something else.
13 MR. As far as how I reportit 14 no. There's a -- I won't report it the same way.
15 It will be done in writing with a witness, 16 you know, such as Security or a member of upper
- 17. management.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, but at the 19 time you worked there, no one ever told you it's 20 inappropriate to report somebody for fitness-for-duty?
21 MR.' No, nobody ever told me.
22 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: You were given the 23 training and that's what the expectation was or you 24 believed was the expectation at the time?
25 MR. re.
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42 1 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY.: Was there any 2 unspoken or unwritten rule that you just didn't report 3 another worker or another Union member?
4 MR. No, no, no.
5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: So everybody there 6 seems clear about the necessity of not being unfit at 7 a nuclear power plant?
8 MR.' Right, yes.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did the Union ever 10 discourage employees from reporting concerns?
11 MR. No, not that I know of, no.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And we talked about 13 this a little before we went on the record, knowing 14 today what you know, would you be hesitant to report 15 a fitness-for-duty concern at Kewaunee or Point Beach 16 in the future?
17 MR.YWould I be hesitant?
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Yes.
19 MR. No, I would not.
20 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: But I think you 21 stated earlier, you'd just make sure it was done in
.22 writing and documented?
23 MR.ý Yes, it would be documented 24 right there when I reported, made a report.
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43 1 your co-workers? Do you think.they'd be hesitant to 2 step forward?
MR.
- No.
3 4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Let's talk a little 5 bit about your access being denied.
6 Have you actually applied for any future 7 employment with NMC since you left Kewaunee?
8 MR. No.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: How is it that you 10 became aware that your access was going to be denied?
11 MR.
- I took a call for the outage 12 at Davis-Besse.
13 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: From Day &
14 Zimmerman?
15 MR.. No. Well, yes, I found out 16 when I got there it was Day & Zimmerman.
17 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay.
18 MR. When I took the call I 19 didn't know who my employer was going to be.
- 20 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And when was this 21 going to be?
22 MR. Some time in January. It 23 was the end.of January of this year.
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44 1 my third day on site at Davis-Besse,, I was removed 2 from site with armed security and was not told why 3 until I was removed from the site.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: What did they tell 5 you?
6 MR. They told me that I had been 7 denied access at Kewaunee. So therefore, they were 8 not going to grant me access.
9 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And did they know 10 why?
11 MR Yes, they knew it was a 12 fitness-for-duty issue.
13 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Anything more 14 specific?
15 MR.' No.
16 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: You didn't report a 17 "fitness-for-duty or you did report it?
18 MR.-I As far as I know, the only 19 thing they knew was that I was in violation of a FFD 20 rule.
21 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you attempt to 22 call them, NMC, and find out what it was all about?
23 MR. Yes, Idid. That day.
24 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Who did you speak 25 to?
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45 1 MR. Darlene Peterson.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: What did she tell 3 you?
4 MR. She told me that I was under 5 investigation for an FFD violation and that was all 6 she would tell me. She wouldn't tell me anything 7 else. Well, she did tell-me there was a "flag on me 8 in PADS."
9 And until the investigation was completed 10 by them, that flag would remain in PADS and with that 12 flag being in PADS, there was no nuclear plant in the 12 United States that is going to give me unescorted 13 access.
14 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Now is this 15 conversation with Darlene Peters before you spoke to 16 the Investigator or after?
17 MR. This is after.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: After. So you had 19 already spoken to Mr. Walker?
20 MR. Yes. Mr. Walker, I spoke to 21 him on January 14th.
22 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay. Did they send 23 you any sort of formal documentation that you have 24 been denied access?
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46 1 letter from them, February. February l1th, I believe, 2 l1th or 12th. I don't have that letter with me, so 3 I'm not sure about the date.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did that letter say 5 basically the same thing that Darlene had told you?
6 MR. 0 Well, it explained to me why 7 I had been denied access. This letter that I got from 8 them did officially deny my access for a period of one 9 year which the period began September of my denial of 10 unescorted access was due to untrustworthiness.
11 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Was that explained 12 in the letter or is it just that vague reference?
13 MR. It was that vague reference.
14 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you speak to
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16 MR. Yes, I spoke to Randy 17 Cleveland.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: What did he tell 19 you?
20 MR,. He didn't tell me nothing.
21 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: When did you speak 22 with him? Was it after Darlene?
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47 1 all before I received my letter, the registered 2 letter. I was trying to speak to anybody that knew 3 anything to -- I wanted to know what was going on.
4 This was the first that I heard. That was the first 5 that I heard anything about any of this.
6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Right, and when you 7 got your letter, did it tell you you could appeal the 8 decision?
9 MR. Yes.
10 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Did you do that?
11 MR. Yes, I did.
12 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And what was the 13 response?
14 MR. The response was you're 15 still denied.
16 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you intend to 17 resubmit September 1st?
18 MRA Yes, yes, I do.
19 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Anything that your 20 attorney has told you has transpired since you 21 attempted to contact NMC about your access? Has your 22 attorney done some work?
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48 1 lot of work on previous cases and things like that.
2 And I should have all that in my possession by the end 3 of next week.
4 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And if it's 5 appropriate, if you could fax or send me some of that 6 stuff.
7 MR Sure.
8 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: If it will help.
.9 MR Sure.
10 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: I don't know if I 11 have any other questions. Is there anything else that 12 you want to'raise?
13 M The only thing that I really 14 want you to know on the record is that the whole issue 15 of the FFD violation with Mr., the day that 16 it happened and the week that it happened, that that 17 was probably fumbled by a lot of people and it all 18 involved around Mr.
19 The investigation that was done or the 20 interview that was done by Mr. Walker, I feel was done 21 illegally and it was done with deception by him 22 stating that he was an Investigator for Employees' 23 Concerns. Employees' Concerns and Nuclear Security 24 are two totally different things. You're told every 25 nuclear plant that you go in that if you have any NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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49 1 issues, have any questions, you're free to talk to 2 Employees' Concerns. They're there to help you to 3 resolve issues or problems.
4 And us, as workers, rely on things like 5 that to help us get things across to people that are 6 a little bit stubborn, maybe, hard headed, that may be 7 trying to take things too fast. You know what I mean?
8 And when somebody calls you on the 9 telephone and identifies themself as that person, 10 you're supposed to be able to talk to them and not 11 fear any type of retribution. In this case, I talked 12 to him like I felt I didn't have' to worry about 13 anything that I said because it was supposed to remain 14 confidential.
15 I talked to him on January 14th. My 16 access was denied on-January 15th, the very next day.-
17 That's kind of coincidental.
18 And also, he worked very diligently to 19 find me by telephone to do this interview. He could 20 have called me back the next day and told me don't 21 bother drive all the way to Ohio, don't spend your 22 money to work because you're not going to be able to.
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50 1 think they're very important. I'm not going to bend 2 the rules for anybody, whether they're a friend of 3 mine or somebody I don't like. They're there for all 4 of us.
5 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: And" ever 6 asked you.about the rules?
7 MR.'
- No. No. And this is the 8 type of person I am. This ain't got nothing to do 9 with -- but this tells you what type of person I am.
10 My best friend used to work for me. I fired him one 11 day and he lived with me. That's what type of person 12 I am. When it comes to rules, when it comes to rules 13 on a job, I hold them --
14 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: You fired him 15 because he broke the roles?
16 MR.SC Yes.
17 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Fitness-for-duty 18 rules?
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19 MR. . No. Insubordination.
20 That's just to show you what type of person I am. I 21 don't show any favoritism. If somebody has done
.22 something wrong, something needs to be done about it.
23 And I'm going to try my best. I hope that this gets 24 straightened out, I really do. I mean it needs to.
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.i 1 investigation and also I do want to let you know this, 2 I don't know if anybody has told you or if you know, 3 but Mr. Cleveland, when I talked to him in July of 4 this year, actually June, I'm sorry, end of June this 5 year, I did give him a copy of this affidavit I have E talked to him on the telephone.
7 Told him that I did have this information and I did 8 feel that it would help my case as far as being denied 9 access. He told me that as far as he was concerned, 10 the only sites that this denial of access pertained to 11 was NMC sites, which the way I understand it there's 12 only five of them and they're in Wisconsin and 13 Minnesota, I believe, if I'm correct.
14 He was unaware that him denying me access 15 in those plants had also denied me access everywhere 16 else and I figured that somebody being in the position 17 that he is ought to know that.
18 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Do you know what 19 PADS is?
20 MR. . It's a centralizeddata base 21 that's got everybody's information as far as 22 clearances go.
23 As far as what the acronym stands for, I'm 24 not real sure.
25 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, anything else?
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52 1 MR... I guess that's it.
2 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Mr.. have I 3 threatened you in any manner or offered you any reward 4 in return for your statement?
MR.i No.
5 6 SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Have you given your 7 statement freely and voluntarily?
8 MR. Yes.
9 SPECIALAGENT FAHEY: Anything further you 10 want to add for the record?
11 SM No.
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.SPECIAL AGENT FAHEY: Okay, we're off at 12 13 5:30..
14 (Whereupon, at 5:30 p.m., the interview 15 was concluded.)
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