ML22060A150
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| Issue date: | 02/16/2022 |
| From: | Charles Brown Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards |
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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards Non-Power Production and Utilization Facilities Docket Number:
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Wednesday, February 16, 2022 Work Order No.:
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3 DISCLAIMER 4
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UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSIONS 7
ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS 8
9 10 The contents of this transcript of the 11 proceeding of the United States Nuclear Regulatory 12 Commission Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards, 13 as reported herein, is a record of the discussions 14 recorded at the meeting.
15 16 This transcript has not been reviewed, 17 corrected, and edited, and it may contain 18 inaccuracies.
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1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 1
NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 2
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3 ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS 4
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6 NON-POWER PRODUCTION AND UTILIZATION FACILITIES 7
SUBCOMMITTEE 8
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9 WEDNESDAY 10 FEBRUARY 16, 2022 11
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12 The Subcommittee met via Teleconference, 13 at 9:30 a.m. EST, Ronald G. Ballinger, Chairman, 14 presiding.
15 16 COMMITTEE MEMBERS:
17 RONALD G. BALLINGER, Chairman 18 VICKI M. BIER, Member 19 CHARLES H. BROWN, JR. Member 20 VESNA B. DIMITRIJEVIC, Member 21 GREGORY H. HALNON, Member 22 W A L T E R L.
K I R C H N E R,
M e m b e r 23 JOSE MARCH-LEUBA, Chairman 24 DAVID A. PETTI, Member 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
2 JOY L. REMPE, Member 1
MATTHEW W. SUNSERI, Member 2
3 ACRS CONSULTANTS:
4 MYRON HECHT 5
8 DESIGNATED FEDERAL OFFICIAL:
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3 C O N T E N T S 1
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Opening Remarks and Objectives 4
3 Staff Opening Remarks..............
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Overview of SHINE Medical Isotope Production 5
Facility
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Public Comments................. 25 7
Adjourn..................... 28 8
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4 P R O C E E D I N G S 1
9:30 a.m.
2 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Good morning, folks.
3 It's now 9:30. The meeting will now come to order.
4 This is a meeting of the NPUF Subcommittee of the 5
Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards. I'm Ron 6
Ballinger, chairman of today's subcommittee meeting.
7 ACRS members present are Charlie Brown, 8
Dave Petti, Dennis Bley, our consultant; Greg Halnon, 9
Jose March-Leuba, Walt Kirchner, Joy Rempe, Stephen 10 Schultz, our consultant. Let's see, who else have I 11
-- Vesna Dimitrijevic was here, but I don't see her 12 now. Maybe she's going to call back in.
13 MEMBER DIMITRIJEVIC: No, I'm here. I'm 14 here.
15 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Very good. Thank 16 you. If I have missed somebody --
17 MEMBER SUNSERI: Hey, Ron, this is Matt --
18 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: I'm sure I'll get 19 reminded. Oh, okay. Matt Sunseri.
20 Okay, now that that's done. Chris Brown 21 of the ACRS staff is the Designated Federal Official 22 for this meeting. So if anything goes well, blame 23 him. If anything goes wrong, blame me.
24 During today's meeting, the subcommittee 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
5 will receive an overview of the SHINE Medical Isotope 1
Production Facility.
2 In addition, we will hear about the phased 3
approach to initial operation which is new.
4 Given the fact that several members on the 5
committee are new since the construction permit 6
application, we felt that it would be appropriate to 7
have an update so that everybody would have a chance, 8
all members would have a chance to learn as much as 9
possible before we start the formal review of 10 individual chapters which will begin in the March 11 subcommittee.
12 The subcommittee will also hear, we'll 13 hear presentations and hold discussions with the NRC 14 staff and SHINE representatives and other interested 15 people regarding this matter.
16 Part of the presentation by the applicant 17 and the NRC staff may be closed in order to discuss 18 information that is proprietary to the licensee and 19 its contractors. I might add an additional comment 20 that we would hope that when we start the review, as 21 much as possible, of the presentations that are made, 22 would be non-proprietary. We're trying to be as 23 transparent as possible in this. We understand that 24 a lot of the procedures and things are proprietary, 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
6 but we should try to be transparent.
1 Attendance at the meeting that deals with 2
such information will be limited to the NRC staff and 3
its consultants. SHINE and those individuals and 4
organizations who have entered into an appropriate 5
confidentiality agreement, consequently, we will need 6
to confirm that we have only eligible observers and 7
participants in the closed part of the meeting.
8 The rules for participation in all ACRS 9
meetings including today's were announced in the 10 Federal Register on June 13th, 2019. Oh, I don't 11 think it was that. Anyway, it was announced earlier.
12 The ACRS section of the U.S. NRC public 13 website provides our charter, bylaws, agendas, and 14 letter reports, and full transcripts of all full and 15 subcommittee meetings, including slides presented 16 here. The meeting notice and agenda for this meeting 17 were posted there.
18 We have received no written statements or 19 requests to make oral statements from the public. The 20 subcommittee will gather information, analyze relevant 21 issues and facts, and formulate proposed positions and 22 actions, as appropriate, for deliberation by the full 23 committee.
24 The rules for participation in today's 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
7 meeting have been announced as part of the notice for 1
this meeting previously published in the Federal 2
Register.
3 Today's meeting will be held over 4
Microsoft Teams which includes a telephone bridge line 5
along participants of the public over their computer 6
using Teams or by phone. I might add that when we get 7
through with this introduction, I'm going to turn the 8
meeting over the Larry Burkhart for a comment on 9
changes related to the Teams part.
10 A transcript of today's meeting is being 11 kept. Therefore, we request that meeting participants 12 on Teams and on the Teams call-in line identify 13 themselves when they speak and to speak with 14 sufficient clarify and volume so they can be readily 15 heard. Likewise, we request that meeting participants 16 keep their computer and/or telephone lines on mute 17 when not speaking to minimize disruptions. The chat 18 features on Teams should not be used for any technical 19 exchanges.
20 At this time, I ask the Teams attendees to 21 make sure they're muted and so before we turn it over 22 to Shaun Anderson of the staff for opening comments, 23 I'll turn the meeting over to Larry Burkhart and then 24 Chairman Rempe for another comment.
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8 So Larry?
1 MR. BURKHART: Yes. Thanks, Member 2
Ballinger. So yes, this announcement is just for 3
those folks who are tying in via the phone line and 4
really for the members and other folks, too.
5 Based on some feedback that we recently 6
received, we're trying to enhance the experience with 7
the meeting, so if there is anyone who is on the phone 8
line who would like the MS Teams link and that's what 9
we're doing to try to enhance the meeting is to share 10 that link with all members of the public so they can 11 see the slides as they go. But if anyone is 12 interested in having MS Teams link who doesn't already 13 have it, please email me at lawrence.burkhart@nrc.gov.
14 That's it.
15 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Okay. Joy.
16 MEMBER REMPE: Thanks, Ron. This is for 17 the members and I just wanted to draw their attention 18 to an invite that Scott sent to us. It's for an 19 administrative session on personnel matters. It's a 20 closed meeting and it will -- the invite is starting 21 at 12:15, but I think your agenda, Ron, says we're 22 going to stop at 12:30, but it may be a little early 23 in case you get done. It's going to be a very short 24 meeting, so before you go to lunch, please login to 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
9 that and I'll remind you again when we break for 1
lunch. But I just wanted you to be aware of it and to 2
be thinking about that. Okay? Thanks.
3 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Okay, so if there 4
aren't any more comments I'd like to turn it over to 5
Shaun Anderson from NRR for opening comments.
6 Shaun, I think I can see you.
7 MR. ANDERSON: Hopefully you can hear me.
8 Can you hear me?
9 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: I can hear you.
10 MR. ANDERSON: Thank you. Good morning, 11 Professor Ballinger and fellow ACRS members. My name 12 is Shaun Anderson. I'm an acting Deputy Director in 13 the Division of Events Reactors and Non-Power 14 Protection Utilization Facilities. I'm glad to be 15 here today and give you an overview of SHINE's 16 proposed Medical Technology Isotope Facility.
17 Today, SHINE will provide an overview of 18 their facility followed by the NRC staff's technical 19 review strategy.
20 It's important to mention, considering the 21 size and rest of the facility, that this is a risk-22 informed review. The staff will cover this topic and 23 our approach during the accident analysis 24 presentation. In addition, we'll also highlight 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
10 another primary area such as Digital I&C, given its 1
importance of the facility's design.
2 We look forward to ACRS' feedback in going 3
through the presentation. We'll do our best to 4
respond to the questions today and if you have any 5
follow ups, we'll make sure we get that information to 6
you. As we have the plan file, during ACRS meetings 7
more focused on in-depth aspects of the facility's 8
design.
9 We appreciate ACRS' on-going support, the 10 scheduling, and flexibility in the review of the 11 application and as you mentioned, in addition to the 12 facility overview and staff's approach, we are going 13 to discuss the phased approach and operation. A 14 supplement to that was recently submitted by SHINE.
15 Their phased approach will allow SHINE to begin 16 initial production of medical isotopes while bringing 17 the full facility production capabilities online.
18 And upon the staff's initial review of the 19 phased approach, while this review is still in -- the 20 design is still in review, it does appear that it's 21 not as significant as originally thought.
22 The staff will continue to accommodate --
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11 schedule. It definitely will continue communication 1
and support from SHINE. But it's also important to 2
mention and assure you that while the staff is driving 3
towards an aggressive review schedule, we will not 4
make a final decision unless we have the information 5
that we need to come to a reasonable assurance about 6
the protection of public health and safety findings.
7 I just want to give a special thanks to 8
the staff and continue in their support for their 9
review of this application. And with that, I'll pass 10 it on to Tracy.
11 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Okay, thank you very 12 much. One additional comment. While we have 13 attempted to construct the agenda and include 14 important, what we think are important topics to be 15 discussed, we can't discuss everything. We ought to 16 be clear that as is want our reputation from past 17 discussions, any topic that the members feel is 18 important should be also brought up if need be. So 19 it's kind of a little bit of an open, free-form 20 discussion, but we want to be sure that the members, 21 especially members who were not on the committee 22 before for the SHINE construction application, get any 23 questions that they need to be answered, answered.
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12 over to the SHINE folks for -- and I think it's --
1 Tracy, are you going to do the presentation?
2 MR. BARTELME: This is Jeff Bartelme, 3
SHINE's Director of Licensing. I just want to --
4 appreciate the opportunity to present the overview of 5
the SHINE facility to the ACRS members today. I'm 6
joined in the room not just by Tracy, but also 7
Catherine Kolb, our Director of Plant Operations.
8 At this time, I'm going to turn it over to 9
Tracy to give the presentation.
10 MS. RADEL: Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate 11 the opportunity also to share the design with the 12 committee. And today, for the open session, we're 13 going to go through an
- overview, provide a
14 construction status, and then go into the process 15 description, technological approach, and safety 16 philosophy.
17 So site overview, the site is located in 18 Janesville, so the southern edge of the Janesville 19 city limits. You can see it there outlined in red.
20 The interstate, 39/90, is on the east side, Rock River 21 on the left side there, and then the Southwest 22 Regional Airport, and Highway 51 immediately to the 23 west. Also, our new SHINE headquarters is adjacent to 24 the site, just north of the site there.
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13 Next slide.
1 This is the site plan, so you can see the 2
main production facility there in the center. The 3
N2PS structure in yellow off to the right there, that 4
is the other safety-related structure on site, the 5
Research Building, Materials Staging Building, and the 6
Storage Building.
7 The road going up to the north is to the 8
SHINE headquarters and you can see the security fence 9
and site boundary there.
10 MEMBER BROWN: Can I ask a question?
11 MS. RADEL: Sure.
12 MEMBER BROWN: Just to clarify, I presume 13 since our last discussions on the initial round of 14 this several years ago, that there has been no change 15 in the site's outlined boundaries?
16 MS. RADEL: No change in the site 17 boundaries, no.
18 MEMBER BROWN: Okay, that's all. Thank 19 you.
20 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: This is Ron, Ron 21 Ballinger. But there are many, many, many, many 22 acronyms that are being used. So I would hope that the 23 presenters would not make the assumption that the 24 members have all of these acronyms memorized. I 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
14 certainly don't. So we should be careful here.
1 MS. RADEL: That's a very good point.
2 Just to define that acronym I just used, N2PS is the 3
nitrogen purge system, so that's the building that 4
stores nitrogen to support the nitrogen purge system.
5 MEMBER REMPE: So this is Joy and I had a 6
question along the layout. In our letter last time, 7
we emphasized the need to have adequate layout --
8 layup space. And I know that the SHINE folks had 9
responded that they did think they had enough, but it 10 was not clear in our minds that that had been 11 considered.
12 Did additional consideration go into that 13 request? I think you just said no, we didn't make any 14 changes to the plans for construction.
15 MS. RADEL: So this is the site plan as we 16 go into operation. There are laydown areas for 17 construction that are --
18 MEMBER REMPE: We're talking about -- I 19 assume you're aware of the letter we wrote. Let's 20 see, what was the year on it? It was -- it was for 21 the construction permit back in 2015 and in that, we 22 emphasized the need to have adequate layup space in 23 case there was an unplanned component failure. And I 24 just was wondering if you did the assessments and 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
15 decided that you didn't need that space or what 1
happened?
2 MS. KOLB: Yes, so this is Catherine Kolb, 3
the Director of Plant Operations. When Tracy was 4
speaking before, we were referring to changes to the 5
site boundary so that has not changed, the 91-acre 6
plot.
7 We have made changes to the structure of 8
the building. The way that the structure is being 9
constructed now is described in the FSAR that was 10 submitted. That is under review. It is not the same 11 structure as was described in the PSAR for the 12 construction permit application originally.
13 DR. BLEY: This is Dennis Bley. Maybe I 14 can clarify Joy's point. When we spoke of layup 15 capability, we weren't speaking of construction or 16 laydown. It was within the piping system in case you 17 have part of the system shut down, we have adequate 18 capability to store, temporarily or long term, 19 material that was in process so that you don't get 20 jammed up later when you try to restart.
21 MS. RADEL: Yes. Thank you for the 22 clarification there. We did do an evaluation of that 23 to assess our capability for facility layup if we were 24 to have to go into an extended shutdown and determined 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
16 that the facility design as described in the operating 1
license can accommodate that situation.
2 DR. BLEY: Okay. Thanks. And this was an 3
issue, not so much a safety one, but for your own 4
operational capability so you don't get stuck. There 5
have been a number of plants around the world that 6
didn't do this and they're still sitting there and 7
unused.
8 MS. RADEL: Appreciate it. Next slide.
9 This is a site rendering, so you can see 10 what we expect it to look like when constructed. You 11 can actually see the new SHINE headquarters off to the 12 left side there, in the center, then the main 13 Production Facility Building. And then off to the 14 right is the Storage Building and in the background 15 there, the Materials Staging Building.
16 Next slide.
17 These are images of what the construction 18 site looks like now, or at least a few weeks ago, when 19 these were taken. So the siding there is being put on, 20 looking from the south side at the administration 21 annex.
22 Sorry, was there a question?
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17 tape and piping trench and then moving to bottom 1
center an off gas target solution vessel, off gas 2
system cell where they're doing welding on the liner 3
plates. And then to the left of that is an electrical 4
duct bank coming into the facility. And then bottom 5
left is the quality control and analytical labs.
6 Next slide.
7 So transitioning into the process overview 8
here, the process release starts with target solution 9
preparation, so we receive uranium, well enriched 10 uranium metal from DOE. It is oxidized and then 11 dissolved in sulfuric acid to generate the target 12 solution. It's adjusted for uranium concentration and 13 pH and then put into the process into a subgrade hold 14 tank. There is one hold tank for each of the eight 15 irradiation units.
16 We transition it over to the irradiation 17 facility side by lifting that into the target solution 18 vessel where it's irradiated for approximately five 19 and a half days using the neutron driver accelerator 20 for this critical assembly.
21 Following irradiation is a short decay 22 period within the IU cell and then it is transferred 23 over the supercell to the extraction line where the 24 moly is extracted, purified, checked for quality 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
18 control, packaged, and shipped.
1 In the process of extraction and 2
purification, there are some liquid waste streams 3
generated. Those are stored and then solidified prior 4
to storage in the Waste Staging Building.
5 Next slide.
6 MEMBER BROWN: Can I ask a question again?
7 MS. RADEL: Sure.
8 MEMBER BROWN: A learning curve again.
9 The blue line coming out of the supercell and then 10 back into the hold tank, you talk only about the waste 11 periodic disposal part of it. You didn't mention what 12 stuff goes back into the hold tank, if anything.
13 MS. RADEL: Yes, sorry. So the target 14 solution passes through the extraction column and 15 flows then back into the hold tank. So the process 16 doesn't alter the target solution and so it goes right 17 back to the hold tank for another irradiation cycle.
18 MEMBER BROWN: Okay. Thank you.
19 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: This is Ron. Dennis, 20 do you have your hand raised?
21 DR. BLEY: I did. I forgot to put it 22 down.
23 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Okay.
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19 question. Go ahead.
1 MEMBER MARCH-LEUBA: I just have a short 2
question. All the holding tanks, they're really 3
criticality safe volumes, correct? They're really 4
annulus because they look like a big 55-gallon drum, 5
but you only store material under the skin, correct?
6 MS. RADEL: Right, they're annular tanks, 7
favorable geometry.
8 MEMBER MARCH-LEUBA: So they're able to 9
hold up to 20 percent and reach uranium on that 10 criticality by design. Thank you.
11 MEMBER PETTI: I just had a question on 12 the product relative to the demand for tech-99 in 13 North America. Is this facility envisioned to provide 14 half or 75 percent of that or all of the demand, 15 roughly?
16 MS. KOLB: This is Catherine Kolb. It's 17 approximately one half of the U.S. demand as the 18 design.
19 MEMBER PETTI: Okay. Great. Thanks.
20 MEMBER HALNON: This Greg Halnon. A real 21 quick question. Is the only access to the holdup tank 22 and the annulus next to the right which is a valve 23 pit. Is it the missile shield's removal? Is that the 24 only access to those areas?
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20 MS. RADEL: The only access is through the 1
cover plugs.
2 MEMBER HALNON: Okay, you call them cover 3
plugs. I call them missile shields.
4 MS. RADEL: Yes.
5 MEMBER HALNON: Okay. If we needed to do 6
any valve maintenance or tank maintenance, we would 7
have to pull that -- those plugs up?
8 MS. RADEL: Yes. We've located the 9
majority of equipment that we feel we may need access 10 to in the valve pits adjacent to the hold tanks. And 11 those plugs are designed for some access areas for 12 inspection or maintenance and partial plug removal to 13 gain access, but you would need to lift portions of 14 the plug out to gain access to that equipment.
15 MEMBER HALNON: Got it. Thank you.
16 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: This is Ron Ballinger 17 again. I'm assuming and I've looked at the design 18 pretty carefully that you have no what I would call 19 black cells involved in the system in the sense that 20 they would be a single point of so-called -- of 21 failure if you will, where they couldn't be bypassed 22 or maintained. Is that correct?
23 MS. RADEL: That's correct.
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21 you.
1 MS. RADEL: The technological approach 2
overview, these are small systems, 125 kilowatts for 3
the license limit. This results in a low source term 4
overall. The units are independent so there are no 5
common cause failures that could result in release 6
from multiple units. The decay heat per system is 7
less than one kilowatt within five hours of stopping 8
irradiation. They use the low-enriched uranium 9
reusable target which greatly reduces waste streams 10 and eliminates the need for highly enriched uranium.
11 This
- product, the molybdenum, is 12 compatible with the current supply chain also. It is 13 driven by a low energy electrostatic accelerator.
14 Once the accelerator is turned off, the fission chains 15 die out shortly and fission terminate.
16 The multiple unit --
17 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Are you going to tell 18 us about what reactivity -- maximum decay effect that 19 would be in there? We want this to turn off, but as 20 I remember, when you first came in after the 21 construction permit, you were running very, very close 22 to --
23 MS. RADEL: That will be covered in closed 24 session, yes.
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22 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Okay.
1 MS. RADEL: The multiple units in multiple 2
trains of extraction provide operational flexibility 3
and scalability as we bring the units up.
4 Our safety philosophy, there is minimal 5
stored energy in the systems due to the low decay 6
heat, low pressure, low temperature of the system.
7 They're independent, limiting the source term for 8
release. Operator action is not required to mitigate 9
the consequences of any of the accidents, postulated 10 accidents.
11 In the event of an upset (phonetic) 12 condition, the TSV reactivity protection system will 13 initiate a trip. This opens two independent target 14 solution vessels dump valves at the bottom of the 15 unit. The target solution gravity drains into the 16 favorable geometry TSV dump tank.
17 The hydrogen is maintained below the lower 18 viability limit by offgas system and the nitrogen 19 purge system. There is an uninterruptable power 20 supply system with a certain battery run time. After 21 that, the facility is passively safe.
22 MEMBER BROWN: This is Charlie Brown 23 again. Can I ask a question? You don't have to 24 backtrack a slide. You said there were how many --
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23 eventually, to be how many processing units? Did you 1
say eight?
2 MS. RADEL: There are eight irradiation 3
units and three processing lines.
4 MEMBER BROWN: Okay, but the eight 5
irradiation units, that's the TS -- the graphic that 6
you showed with the TSV and the hold tanks and 7
everything else, there will be eight of those?
8 THE WITNESS: Correct.
9 MEMBER BROWN: Eight separate units. Is 10 the intention to have a separate TRPS for every system 11 or somehow are you integrating?
12 I tried to take a look at that in the FSAR 13 and I couldn't really get a clear picture of it.
14 MS. RADEL: Correct. There is one TSV 15 reactivity protection system for irradiation units so 16 we have eight TRPS units.
17 MEMBER BROWN: Okay. Thank you very much.
18 Also independent, right?
19 MS. RADEL: Correct.
20 MEMBER BROWN: Eight totally independent, 21 separate sensors, separate everything.
22 MS. RADEL: Correct.
23 MEMBER BROWN: Okay. Thank you.
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24 session. So any additional questions here in open 1
session?
2 MEMBER MARCH-LEUBA: Yes, this is Jose.
3 Just for my education. The battery with the UPS is 4
only used for instrumentation or this is running the 5
active systems?
6 MS. RADEL: It does run the offgas system 7
blowers for a short period of time prior to the 8
nitrogen purge system being initiated to handle the 9
hydrogen generated at the start of the decay.
10 MEMBER MARCH-LEUBA: But you're talking a 11 few minutes, maybe an hour, not 90 days, correct?
12 MS. RADEL: Correct.
13 MEMBER MARCH-LEUBA: Okay. Thank you.
14 MEMBER BROWN: Yes, Charlie Brown again.
15 On the UPS battery, is that also one battery per TSV 16 system or production system, one for each of the eight 17 systems? Or is it an overall facility battery?
18 MS. RADEL: It's an overall facility 19 battery. We do have two independent trains of the 20 uninterruptable power supply systems, so Train A and 21 Train B.
22 MEMBER BROWN: And when you say following 23 the run time, the entire plant is passively safe. How 24 long is that run time? Or is that going to be covered 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
25 in a later session?
1 MS. RADEL: In general, it's two hours.
2 There are a couple of loads on it that remain on it 3
for six hours. We don't have details on that in the 4
closed session, but as we get deeper into electrical 5
systems in future meetings, we'll cover that in more 6
detail.
7 MEMBER BROWN: So once the batteries run 8
out, you really don't need any electrical power for 9
the next 90 days. Is that correct?
10 MS. RADEL: Correct.
11 MEMBER BROWN: Okay. Thank you. If I 12 missed something, other folks who are better at this 13 than me, please chime in.
14 MS. RADEL: Okay. Would we like to switch 15 over to closed session?
16 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Well, thank you very 17 much. Before we do that, we need to ask for public 18 comments before we switch over.
19 So if there are any members of the public 20 that would like to make a comment, please unmute 21 yourself and give us your name and your comment.
22 MR. EIDEN: Can we just board it up?
23 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Boarding is allowed 24 as long as we know who you are.
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26 MR. EIDEN: All right, I'll unraise my 1
hand here. Thomas Eiden, Founder and CEO of Atomic 2
Alchemy.
3 Yes, we'd be curious for -- I guess more 4
of a question to the NRC, expecting these last couple 5
of meetings about the SHINE phased approach. We're 6
looking more for how SHINE or how the NRC is handling, 7
more specifically, the NRC from a
regulatory 8
standpoint, is handling construction or implementation 9
of equipment with operating equipment, nuclear 10 equipment that's operating.
11 We are doing something kind of similar 12 with our facility and we've put together White Papers 13 on construction approaches to mitigate accidents on 14 operating reactors and other things. Unfortunately, 15 in these public meetings, we haven't really had any 16 discussion about how from a regulatory standpoint this 17 all kind of works.
18 So hoping for a little more of an NRC 19 treatment from a licensing standpoint, from a safety 20 standpoint, operating equipment with -- operating a 21 nuclear facility at the same time.
22 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Go ahead, please.
23 MR. BALAZIK: Yes, this is Mike Balazik, 24 NRC, Project Manager for SHINE.
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27 Tom, we recently received this supplement 1
and right now we are actively reviewing it from a 2
licensing standpoint. There's the possibility of the 3
implementation of conditions on the license. Again, 4
that still hasn't been figured out in exactly which 5
direction we're going, but I'll just say more to come.
6 The staff is still evaluating SHINE's supplement at 7
this point.
8 MR. EIDEN: Okay.
9 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: This is Ron. Sorry, 10 to interrupt here. I think that we need to limit 11 public comments to just comments and not endeavor to 12 respond to the comments. I think that kind of 13 conversation can better be had by contacting Chris 14 Brown and work through him. So we'd like to limit the 15 public comments to just public comments. Thank you.
16 Are there any additional public comments?
17 MR. GROCHOWSKI: Yes. This is Mike 18 Grochowski with Atomic Alchemy. So I guess we were 19 interested to see the safety philosophy of 20 constructing units while the other units are operating 21 and I thought that would be in the public.
22 And then similarly, how are they licensing 23 the multiple units or what is the plan to license the 24 multiple units? And again, I thought that was going 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1716 14th STREET, N.W., SUITE 200 (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20009-4309 www.nealrgross.com
28 to be in the public realm.
1 CHAIRMAN BALLINGER: Thank you. Are there 2
any other comments? Hearing none, okay, what we need 3
to now do is to exit this portion of the meeting and 4
let's see, what time is it? 10:05. So we're a 5
little ahead of schedule which is probably the death 6
knell of us meeting the schedule, but -- so we would 7
like to close this part of the meeting and there's 8
been -- there's an invitation out. Let's give it five 9
minutes and for members and other presenters to login 10 to the private meeting. So this part of the meeting 11 adjourned.
12 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter went 13 off the record at 10:06 a.m.)
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© SHINE Technologies, LLC 1
© SHINE Technologies, LLC Overview of the SHINE Medical Isotope Production Facility (Open Session)
TRACY RADEL, VICE PRESIDENT OF ENGINEERING
© SHINE Technologies, LLC 2 SHINE Site Overview Construction Status Process Overview Technological Approach Safety Philosophy Outline
© SHINE Technologies, LLC 3 Located in Janesville, WI
© SHINE Technologies, LLC 4 Site Plan
© SHINE Technologies, LLC 5 Site Rendering
© SHINE Technologies, LLC 6 Construction Status
© SHINE Technologies, LLC 7 Periodic solution preparation from LEU Solution chemistry check and staging Irradiation for 5.5 days Extraction, purification, QC, and packaging Waste handling Process Overview
© SHINE Technologies, LLC 8 Small systems: 125 kW, hundreds of times less power than isotope production reactors being used o Low source termhelps ensure safety of public and workforce o Decay heat per system < 1 kW within 5 hours5.787037e-5 days <br />0.00139 hours <br />8.267196e-6 weeks <br />1.9025e-6 months <br /> o Minimizes waste nuclide generation compared to reactors Low enriched uranium (LEU) reusable target o Reduces waste o Product compatible with current supply chain o Eliminates need for HEU Driven by low-energy electrostatic accelerator o Fission essentially terminate shortly after driver turned off Multiple units and trains provide operational scalability and flexibility Technological Approach
© SHINE Technologies, LLC 9 Low decay heat, low pressure, low temperature system o Minimal stored energy Independent units limit common cause failures Operator actions are not required to mitigate the consequences of an accident In the event of an upset condition:
o TSV reactivity protection system (TRPS) initiates trip of system o Two completely independent safety-related TSV dump valves open o Target solution gravity drains to the TSV dump tank (safe for all uranium concentrations) o Hydrogen concentration maintained below lower flammability limit (LFL) by off-gas system blowers Following UPS battery run time, entire plant is passively safe o 90 days without cooling: pool temperature rise is not more than 13°F o Nitrogen purge system for hydrogen control Safety Philosophy
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