ML20237L505
| ML20237L505 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Shoreham File:Long Island Lighting Company icon.png |
| Issue date: | 03/12/1987 |
| From: | Saricks C AFFILIATION NOT ASSIGNED |
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| References | |
| 86-533-01-OL, 86-533-1-OL, OL-5-I-SC-011A, OL-5-I-SC-11A, NUDOCS 8708280130 | |
| Download: ML20237L505 (10) | |
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DEPOSITION OF CHRISTOPHER L.
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Prior to twelve-forty.
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you did?
A The vehicle pulled into the lot where my automobile 7
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I walked to the vehicle and asked the driver if he were 8
there in response to the accident.
9 The driver responded, yes.
I asked him what he had 10 been informed regarding the impediment.
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13 I asked him if he had information regarding other 14 vehicles involved in the accident, and he said no.
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be used as a tow truck to clear the impediment from the road.
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of questions I had asked the route alert driver regarding radio 5
protective measures and their dosimetry.
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Do you recall any other questions you would have 7
asked these two individuals?
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10 y u ask the driver, or for that matter, the "co-passenger, why the time delay in responding to the impediment?
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A he had been dispatched at eleven-fif ty.
That'he had passed 13 the location, had not seen me, the FEMA Evaluator, and had 14 i l
gone to a point further north, and then returned to this 15 location.
He alco stated he was dispatched from a LIE depot I
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Do you know if his dispatch from the depot on the 13
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excess levels of exposure, and potassium iodide was not an 4
issue at that time, because they had both simulated ingestion 5
Per instructions before th.ey had departed.
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Q So with respect to radio protective measures, were there any areas where you concluded an inadequate response by I
the LERO personnel?
A No.
Hot at that location.
Q Do you know if there was any simulation of rerouting 1
. traffic at the location of the gravel truck impediment?
A I observed none.
Q Given the text of the free-play message, Mr. Saricks, that there had been~this accident involving a loaded gravel truc and three passeng~er vehicles, and that both the north and south-bound shoulders of the road were blocked, in your~ opinion, would i
it have been necessary to have rerouted traffic at that i
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A Yes.
During the period of the impediment.
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Could traffic, in fact, actually be rerouted at that location?
A While there, I saw a means by which traffic could be diverted onto another street, and around the impediment.
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I made a note of the fact that the response time 18 : was substantially delayed, but my difficulty was in not being able to ascertain it was due to the result of the depot which 19 ;
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It was in the parking lot adjacent to my vehicle.
Q And where it says:
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situation and request for an actual arrival of emergency 5
equipment, did you observe that?
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A My belief is that this refers to a LERO route 7
spotter, rather than the response individual.
Q Well, did you observe a LERO route spotter?
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arrived at my location at about eleven-forty.
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Did you talk to that person?
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I asked that person if they were there in 12 l I any way connected with the impediment.
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Did you have any other conversation with this route 17 spotter?
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Well, given that I wasn't interested in providing 19 information to prompt-this individual to do anything more than 20 he was supposed to do, and I really limited my remarks to him 21 to just the question regarding what he was doing there.
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He did not do that in my presence.
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