ML20215D763

Deposition of Hg Fish.* Transcript of 870122 Deposition in Washington,Dc.Pp 1-64.Related Correspondence

ML20215D763
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Site:	Shoreham File:Long Island Lighting Company icon.png
Issue date:	01/22/1987
From:	Fish H KIRKPATRICK & LOCKHART, SUFFOLK COUNTY, NY
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{{#Wiki_filter:my em omcan TIMNSCRIPT w 0 OF PROCEEDINGS aum ss ag:03 h. f h f~ Y f ib h UNITED STATES OF AMERICA % MiCH NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION d BEFORE THE ATOMIC SAFETY AND LICENSING BOARD _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _x In the Matter of: Docket No. 50-322-OL-5 LONG_ ISLAND LIGHTING COMPANY (EP Exercise) (Shoreham Nuclear Power Station, (ASLBP No. 86-533-01-OL) Unit 1) - _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _x DEPOSITION OF HERBERT G. FISH f Washington, D. C. Thursday, January 22, 1987 d ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. Stenotype Reporters 444 North Capitol Street i Washington, D.C. 20001 (202) 347-3700 j Nationwide Coverage 4 O g B{$h 2 800-336-6646 61 T K J

f 1 I n '( J - l-22-87 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA R&T NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION Joe Walsh~ 2 . ATOMIC SAFETY AND LICENSING BOARD 3 . 4 -~~~~~~------~~~-~~~~~~~-~~~~---~~~-X - In the Matter of:

Docket No. 50-322-OL-5

- 5 ' LONG ISLAND LIGHTING COMPANY (EP Exercise) 6

• (ASLBP No. 86-533-01-OL)

- (Shoreham Nuclear Power. Station, 7 Unit 1.)

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-8 9 DEPOSITION OF HERBERT G. FISH 10 Washington, D. C. 11 Thursday, January 22, 1987 .]U.~ 12 Deposition of. HERBERT.G. FISH, -called for examination la Pursuant to notice, at the law offices of KIRKPATRICK & 14 LOCKHART, South Lobby,:9th Floor,'1800 M Street, N.W., .15 Washington, D. C. 20036-5891, at 1:45 p.m.,-before Garrett J. Walsh, Jr.,'a Notary'Public in and for the 16 17 Commonwealth of Virginia at Large, when were present on 33' behalf of the respective parties: 19 SUSAN M. C.iSEY, ESQ CHRISTOPHER M. McMURRAY, ESQ. . 20 Kirkpatrick & Lockhart South Lobby - 9th Floor 21 1800 M Street, N. W. Washing ton, D. C. 20036-5891 22 On Behalf of the Intervenor, the County of Suf folk, State of New York I' bi r i ....i.a.. i. ~

F i 2 ,7 s g. APPEARANCES: (Continuing) 2 STEPHEN MILLER, ESQ. Hunton & Williams '3' 707 East Main Street P. O. Box-1535-4 Richmond, Virginia 23212 On. Behalf of the Applicant, the Long Island S Lighting Company ' I-6 LWILLIAM CUMMING, ESQ. Regional Counsel .7 Federal Emergency Management Agency - 26 Federel Plaza, 8 'New York, New York 10278 9 WILLIAM MAYO' LEE,-ESQ. Office of General Counsel 10 Department of Energy Washington, D. C. 11 12 13 14 15 16 i 18 H 19 20 21 ) 22 n !] p n

1 3 ~ l '1 C 0 N T E N T --S ' 2 WITNESS DIRECT-EXAMINATION 3 Herbe'rts G.. Fish-- '4 A 4 6 7 8 E X H I.B I T S-IDENTIFIED-9 Fish. Exhibit No. 1 Page 32' i io ' Fish Exhibit No. 2 ' 'Page 33 - 11 Fish. Exhibit No. 3 Page 43.- i 12-13 14 - 15 16 17 18 - 19 20 21 22 ^_/ J

r q: - r! L ~4 . h.. l:(_); .1) RC"EEDINGS 1 2 (1:45 p.m.) 3 Whereupon,. 4 HERBERT G.

FISH, 5

was ' called as a witness, and.having first been duly sworn, 6 ' testified.as follows: 7 DIRECT EXAMINATION 8 BY MS. CASEY: 9 Q Now'-'- MR. CUMMING:. Since we are on the record, we .10 ~ 11 have.different representatives here. Maybe every'one wants to y\\-- 12 identify themselves, or ~do you already have that' informa-- 13 tion? 14 REPORTER: I have the information, sir. 15

BY MS. CASEY:

(Continuing)' 16-0 Let me just state for the record that my name 17 is Susan.Casey, and I am an attorney with the law firm 18 of Kirkpatrick and Lockhart, and we are representing 19 Suffolk in this licensing proceeding. 20 Seated to*my=right is Chris McMurray, who 21 is a partner in the. law firm'of Kirkpatrick & Lockhart. 22 MR. CUMMING: Let me state for the record .tO V-1

5 ~ P 1 that I am William R. Cumming, and I am representing Mr. 2 Fish here today, but I am also accompanied by Mayo Lee, 3 Esquire, of the Off! e of General Counsel, of the Department 4 of Energy. Andlthe witness does not waive right of signature 5 6 on this deposition. 4 7 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) ] 8 0 Will you state your name and address for the 9 record, please? A My name is Herbert G. Fish, I reside at 56 I 10 nillbao y Mountainview Road, in +1i-lbt2rn, New Jersey. 11 12 Q Mr. Fish, aside from sitting in on part of s/ 13 Mr. Giardina's deposition, what else did you do to prepare 14 for this deposition? A What did I do to prepare for this deposition? 15 I met with Mr. Cumming in New York, who advised me what the 16 17 Parameters were of the deposition. I looked at the post 18 exercise assessment, of which I have a copy. I trudged 19 to a railroad station this morning in a snow storm, and I 20 got myself here. 21 Q Aside from the post exercise assessment, did you 22 look at any other documents?

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(? ? e 6 . n)J 1 1 7L In my possession,.I have no other documents-t 2

except for copies of the recentlyL submitted RAC. Review.

i 3 comments on Revisions 7 and 8, most recently reviewed, 4 and othet-than that I have no other personal notes that are relative to.the exercise as'such. 5 6 .Q. ~ Did you take. personal notes.on the-day 'of the 7 exercise? 8-A I certainly did. Ifhave been involved in~many-9 exercises over the course of the years. I have been .10 involved in this program since 1981 as the Departmentiof Energy's representative to the regional --'the RAC 11 12 Committee in Regions.I, II, and III. 13 -So, I have had.an extensive involvement with-14 the RAC program. 'l 15 The notes that I'took the day of the exercise j i i - 16 are no different from any other set of notes I would have l 17 taken at any other exercise. They were for purposes of j 18 recording my observation with respect to what transpired 19 at the exercise so that I could have a road map to assist 20 me in filling out. the particular evaluation forms regarding 21 those particular objectives that'were assigned to me for 22 that-particular day. >f

7 . f3. X,/ 1' Q Do you still have these notes? .2 A No, I do not.- I generally' record my notes on a yellow ' pad, or white pad, cur whatever is at hand. I 3 4 try and keep pertinent information ' thereon that would 5-help me best understand what my observations were, and-could' properly relate the~ occurrences of the day. 6 7 'Once I have recorded them, I either turn my 8 formal evaluation sheet over to my team leader, or in 9 many' instances where I was in fact a team leader, would 10 have, received the completed forms, I would normally 11: dispose of those notes. They. serve me no purpose other .q $~l - 12 than to complete those particular forms. 13 Q Did you discuss this deposition or'your testimony 14- )with anybody at the Department of Energy? 15 A I.certainly<did, because I had to call--- let me first describe where I am with the. Department of Energy 16 17 if I may so you can understand. I work for the Chicago Operations Office of the 18 19 Department of Energy. It has an area office at the Brookhaven National Laboratory, namely the Brookhaven' Area 20 21 Office. 22 I am assigned, and I have been assigned to that O

i J i .i 8 ?V{ si office 1for the last two years. -However, I am physically j 2 duty stationed at the Department of Energy's Office at 3 Princeton. -4 When I was advised that I was going to be' deposed,. 5 I requested initially -- advised?by superior that I was-6 going to be deposed -- advised him that I was contacting 7 the.FEW4 counsel who had offered to' represent me, and in the 8 course of that inquiry, I believe an acknowledgement-by ~ 9 the. Department, that the Department wished that particular 10 ' counsel to represent me, and it was at that point in time 11 that I directed:a( question to Mr. Lee of the General N IJ-Counsel's Office in the DOE, and I believe lur took whatever 12 13 ' steps were necessary to authorize Mr. Cumming to represent 14 me at_this proceeding; 15 Q So,'other than that you didn't actually discuss 16 the substance of what your testimony might deal with? i 1 17 A I did not discuss the substance of my testimony. 18 I am not sure what the substance of my testimony is going 19 to be anyway. I am not sure what I am doing here. I 20 (Laughter.) 21 Q Let's see if I'can figure this out. You said 22 you were duty stationed at the Princeton Office. Where o i

l-9 (~) J u i l do you actually' work? i 2 A That is my duty station. The Princeton Area i t' 3 Office.of the Department.of Energy, 4 0 So that is where you report each day? 5 A: That-is where I report each day. I spend a lot 6 of time out at the office, because as I indicated before-7 I am directly involved with three RAC groups, namely 8 FEMA Region _I, FEMA Region II, and FEMA Region III, which 9 encompass something like 22 nuclear power plants in that to geographical area. 11 With the exception of FEMA Region'III, which is . r). \\- based.in Philadelphia, which has responsibility'for the 12 ) '13 Surry Reactor in Virginia; however, that particular 14 ' reactor comes under the RAC designee out of Oak Ridge 15 Operations Office of the Department of Energy.- l'6 I spend part of my time at the Brookhaven Area 17 Office at least one or two days a week, because I have '18 correlary duties in addition to my RAC involvement. Most 19 of us on RAC have other full time jobs. 20 My involvement I think with RAC is probably a 21 little more extensive than others because of.my three i 22 region responsibility.

10 ) That grew out of the inability back in '81 for i 2 the then Chicago Operations Office had jurisdictional 3 responsibility.for activities in the Northeast, to provide 4 its RAC representative in Chicago to do services out here in the Northeast. Indian Point was of great concern at 5 that point in time. The RAC involvement on the part of 6 7 the DOE in the Northeast was limited. 8 I happened to be working for the Assistant 9 Secretary for Environment, Health and Safety, as the G G. W h 10 Megional acordinator for environment in the Northeast at that time. I was asked to attend a meeting. Out of my attendance 11 12 at that meeting grew my deep involvement in the RAC ~ 13 Program. 14 MR. CUMMING: Counsel doesn't wish to testify, but the relationship between FEMA and the Department of 15 Energy on RAC matters is governed by 44 CFR Part 351. 16 17 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 18 Q What is your current job title? am called Emergency Planning Specialist. 19 A I guess I g 20 I was so designated that two years ago in February, when 21 I was transferred from the Office of the Assistant Secretary 22 for Environmental Safety to the Chicago operations Of fice. .~

11-jE 't'i 1 Q: How many people with'that-title.are there in 2 DOE, do you know? 3 A-I have no idea. 4 0-How about in your particular area office, are 5-thereLother people -- 6 'A-No,.I - am the only one.so. designated.. 7 Q. You mentioned your supervisor:before. Who is 8 your supervisor?: 1 9 A My supervisor is Mr. David Schweller,othe area l 10' manageriof the Brookhaven Area Office. 11-MR. CUMMING: Counsel objects to this line ,x k-of ' questioning based on relevancy, but to the extent the-12 13 witness has knowledge, he may answer. I will state for 14 .tMe record it is snowing outside, so I hope we are as j 15 brief.as possible. i BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 16 17 Q. Setting aside the moment your RAC responsi-18 bilities, could you give me a general description of your 19 job duties? 20 A Outside of my RAC-related responsibilities? 21 Q Yes. 22 A I am involved directly. with the issues at the l g') s }

V 12 - s b ~ Brookhaven Area Office relating to the appraisal process 1 2 of the performance of the Brookhaven National Laboratory 3 as required by both Chicago and Department of Energy orders, 4 which require an annual appraisal of the contractors 5 performance. I am responsible for pulling together all 6 the pertinent information regarding that activity, whether 7 it be in the area of institutional planning, directing, a coordination, technical performance, and areas such as 9 operational and support performance. 10 In addition to that, my most recently involvement +ke erAesd-compede I 11 has been coordinating a"A ir a mcjor extent comp 1ctc the- ~ i 12 determination of the Brookhaven National Laboratory 13 Contract. le Q Could you explain to me the relationship between Brookhaven National Laboratory and the Department of 15 16 Energy? 17 A Brookhaven National Laboratory is a multi-18 purpose laboratory established back in 1947 -- I am not 19 sure of the date -- but it is a laboratory contractor 20 ope rate d, government owned f acility. It is run by the 21 Associated Universities, Inc., doing research activities hig6. eg physics, L 22 in principally hygeinc, phan material sciences, ud

13 t 44* nuclear safety. I guess it runs the entire g2mb.t, that 2 is why it is called bhe multi-purpose laboratory. The 3 most major activities are sponsored by the Department of 4 Energy. 5 There are eighteen Federal employees at that 6 of fice responsible for overseeing the activities of that 7 contract. 8 Q So it is operated by a contractor with the j g Government -- 10 A It is government-owned land, gove rnment-owne d 11 buildings, but the employees, some three thousand at the s_) laboratory, are contractor people. 12 l 13 Q But they are subject to supervision by the 14 eighteen Federal employees, is that right? 15 A Supervision within the terms and conditions of 16 the contract, personnel policies, et cetera. The Government's 17 role there is in a sense a monitoring role of the 18 activities and complu nce under the terms of the contract. 19 MR. CUMMING: Again, counsel objects to the 20 line of questioning based on the relevancy, but to the { 21 extent that the witness is able to describe a government-22 owned, contractor-operated facility -- 7 ~.

l 1 l 14 _ p;. .q 1 MS. CASEY: Which was involved in the February 13, 1986 exercise of-the Shoreham Plant. i 3 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) ~k i 4 'O Going back tofyour duties as a member of the 5 RAC. 6 A Yes. 7 -Q And specifically I am interested, of course, in 8 . what'you'do in connection with RegionLII, can you tell me 9 which revisions of the LILCO Plan you have reviewed? 10 .A 0'through 8. 11 Q So,.are you the only DOE person who has reviewed --. ^ <l(>-} 12 'A I am the only DOE person who has. reviewed that-13 document, correct. 14 0 And in reviewing these plans, which. portions did 15 you review? 16 A There are a certain ' number of criteria within 1 17 the NUREG elements that are prescribed unto the DOE. 18 Generally,.I follow those set of prescribed criteria and 19 elements. 20 However, I must indicate that in all instances -- l 21 most of my ' plan reviews, with the exception of areas 22 requiring technical expertise, I would generally review /~T (/ 1

15' yy Aw/- and I have done that not only. 1 all elements of the plan, = 2 for this particular set of plans, but for. all other plans 3 I have been asked to review over the last six. years. 4 Q Do you. generally provide comments -- 5' A I generally provide comments in accordance with 6 each laf the NUREG elements, and provide them to the 7 appropriate FEMA of fice. who has requested them, ' correct. 8 0 In response to one of interrogatories, Counsel i 9 for FEMA told us that 'the Department of Energy was 10 . involved in preparation for the Shoreham drill. l 11 Can you tell m:e what you know about-the (h) \\~ 12 Department of Energy's involvement? 13 A If you'could be more specific about what 14 preparations.you are referring to, I would be happy to 15 respond. 16 Q Any1 involvement they had in making logistical 17 arrangements, in reviewing objectives, in reviewing 18-scenario, or. basically anything -- p 19 A I will be very happy -- excuse me. 20 Q Anything that was done at the Department of Energy 21 daat related to the exercise. 22 MR. CUMMING: The question is compound, and D r%) L i

16 . f~'J T-A- 1. ' objection >as to form,1 but to the extent thatL the witness 2 has some' knowledge of;the Department of Energy's role referenced in !the FEMA-answered interrogatories, he is 3 4 instructed to answer. THE WITNESS. Not being directly-familiar with 5 l FEMA interrogatories, but attempting to be responsive to 6 7 your question, the DOE' role, initially one as my' role, in 8 reviewing the objectives, as I would review in' any exercise. 9 I did not review the scenario for the exercise. We.were not requested by FEMA Region II to review the scenario. ~ 10 There have been occasions, however, in the past, 11

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where we may have reviewed the scenario. \\_/ '12 .13 As far as logistical support, a request was received at the Brookhaven Area Office of Department of 14 Energy from FEMA Region II, to provide as available space 15 for the housing for three, I think it was, three control 16 17 ce lls. One was a FEMA command post during the exercise, the other would be to house the controllers and the 18 19 simulators who were utilized during the exercise, and that 20 space was provided at the laboratory. 21 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 22 Q What is your understanding of the function of

i k 17 m ^3 1 th'e FEMA Command Post? 2 A The FEMA Command Post,. to the best o'f my l 3 knowledge, was there to. facilitate communications for 4 FEMA field evaluators in the event there.were problems, 5 . utilizing whatever radio systems the field people had, that a they would have been a point of contact. 7

1. am not sure if they had radio contact there l

8 or not, but its use, my - understanding of it, was to 9 facilitate the, operations. -10 Q I didn' t mean to cut you off. 11 A. When requested - to. provide the space, 'it was j 7]- i k 12 requested that space be provided for X number.of people, 13 and merely identifying what. those three entities were. ~ 14 Did not go into any major discussion as to what those 15 entities would serve, except as to my own knowledge as 16 to what they subsequently did serve as. 17 Q Why was this command post located at the BHO? 18 A It was located at -- that is not BHO, it is BNL, 19 because that was -- BHO is the designation for the Brookhaven 20 Area Office, which is a single building at the Brookhaven 21 National Laboratory. 22 This Command and Control Center was located, I O V J

18 l 1 think, at a building designated an accelerator facility; 2 it happened to be an open training area which had already 3 existing phone hook-ups. It was probably the most 4 inexpensive route one could take and certainly the facility 5 itself was a secure f acility. 6 Q And how was FEMA made aware of the availability 7 of the facility? 8 A FEMA requested of the Department whether or not 9 the Department could provide such space. The Department to pursued the request from FEMA, and provided such space to a4 V 11 FEMA in, exchange of correspondence with Mr. Kowieski, c 12 in FEMA Region II, and Mr. S chwe lle r, of the Department of ' s' 13 Energy. 14 Q I guess what I am trying to get at, and maybe 15 you don't know, is why did FEMA ask the Department of 16 Energy to find this space? 17 A Since the location was convenient to site of the 18 exercise, and since it afforded the least costly route that i' 19 one should take, I assume that is why it was suggested 20 that the Department of Energy provide the space. 21 And obviously it was the least costly route, 22 because the facilities were there. 7 ns l _a

p 19 1 Q Do _ you know a--Mr. 2 James W. Vaughan, Jr? -2 A N o'. I do not know Mr. Vaughan, Jr. 'I know that he'is an official with the Department of Energy in 3 f 4 Washington, D. C. 5-Q lBut you, yourself, have never worked with him? 6-A No,-ma'am. .7 Q.. Do you know a-Mary: Ann Novak? 8 . A' I-know ' Mary: Ann Novak, yes. 9 Q Do you know why she requested to attend the -10'

February 13th exercise?

11 '\\ MR. CUMMING: Objection. Based on-relevancy. If the' witness-has knowledge, he is instructed to answer. 12 13 THE WITNESS: My only understanding of her 14 wishing to attend is that Mary Ann is part of-some Office -- 15 I am not sure of the designation of that office, in 16 Washington, which is concerned with the' licensing of 17 nuclear power plants, which is part of the businesslof the 18 Department of Energy. l 19 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 20 Q Concerned in what sense? l l' 21 A Well, I think there is a group -- I am not sure, 22 but they may be part of the Office of Nuclear Safety, and l ("% .G

20 \\ ) (JkW f 1 she may be under this Mr. Vaughan who you referred to a 2 moment or two ago, but I do not know specifically with 3 respect to what her duties are, but I do know she expressed I 4 some interest in it. 5 And she was in attendance. 1 i 6 Q Do you know what she did at the exercise? i 7 A I believe she was only there as an observer. 8 Q Do you know which facility she observed? 9 A I know she was present for part of the time at 10 the LERO EOC, because it was there that I met her. 11 _ Q And were you aware of her having gone to any s/ other parts -- 12 13 A No, I am not aware of her going anywhere else 14 during the course of the day. 15 Q Do you know if she wrote anything about her 16 experience at the exercise? 17 A Not to my knowledge. i is Q I was going to ask you if you knew Mr. Mayo Lee, I 19 but I assume you do. Do you know why he was at the i 20 exercise? I' 21 A I would assume the same interest as Mary Ann. I 22 Q And do you know what he did during the exercise? ] /'T. \\) i

p n I i 21 I.v 1 A I do not. 2 Q. Aside from yourself, do.you know who else from. 3 the Department of Energy participated in planning for-th'e 4 exercise? 5 A I' have no knowledge of anybody else 's involvement l 6 other than my own? 7 Q Were any ' Department of Energy employees' in the 8 exerci'se as players? 9 A . I. believe since the DOE RAP group at Brookhaven i 10 National Laboratory was, in fact, directly involved in the l 11 activity, and since Mr. - Schweller is 'a member. of -the DOE Q \\' 12 RNP response capability, although I' do not believe he 13 played that day, I do not believe -there are any other' ) l 14 DOE employees involved. 15 Q Were any of the Brookhaven people involved in o i .16. Planning for the exercise? 17 A Were any of the Brookhaven people involved in 18 planning -- 19 Q Right. -20 A -- for.the exercise. They would not have been, 21 because they were players in the exercise. 22 Q Weren' t there two scientists from Brookhaven A.(-) 1

I O l o 4 1 .s 22 1 l 1 Laboratory at the Emergency. News Center?; j 2 A I do not' have any knowledge of that.. ) 3 Q Aside from'yourself, did any Department of En' rgy e i 4 employees participate in. die exercise as evaluators? 5 A I think I am the only DOE listed Federal '6 evaluator as such. 7 Q You are the only one listed in the. FEMA Report. i 8 I am just asking if you recall of anyone else 'being there? 9 A I do not, and I do not think there was anybody i 10 else other' than myself representing the Department of 11 Energy. 12 Q Mr. Fish, I am showing you what has previously 13 been marked as Giardino Exhibit No. 2, which is a memo '14 from Roger Kowieski. to members of the RAC and other 15 . people. Do you recall receiving this? 16 A. _ (Witness peruses document.) Yes, I do. ~ 17 -Q .Do 'you recall receiving any of the attachments 18 to it?. 19 A' I cannot specifically ' remember each and every .20 ~ one ' of the attachments, but I do remember in general 121 receiving most of.the. information that is contained herein. 22 O Do you recall receiving a copy of Mr. Kowieski's \\', 'v, @ ?.?

23 1 letter to Mr. Daverio? 2 A Yes, I do. 3 0 If you will note, on page 4 of that letter, 4 it says that FEMA has asked that the draft scenario be 5 submitted to the RAC for review and comment by December 6, 6 1985. Do you recall ever seeing this memorandum? 7 A I did not see the draf t scenario. 8 0 okay. I guess I can safely interpret from that 9 that you did not comment on it? 10 A I did not comment on it, correct. 11 0 I would like to now show you what has previously 12 been marked as Giardina Exhibit No. 3, which is another 13 memo from Mr. Kowieski -- and try to ignore the fact th at 14 it is printed on long paper. 15 And tell me, if you would, if you recall seeing 16 that? 17 MR. CUMMING: Can we go off the record for 18 just a second. 19 MS. CASEY: Sure. 20 (Off the record discussion ensues.) 21 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 22 0 We are back on the record. I don't know if I have

1 1 24 1 already asked you this, but do you recall -- .2 A Would you repeat ' the question, please? ] 3 0 Do you recall receiving this memo? 4 A Yes, I do recall receiving ' this memo. 5 0 And you said earlier that you did review these 6 objectives? 7 A I indicated before, and I will restate the 1 8 fact that it is common practice to receive exercise 9 objectives prior to an exercise, and it is common for members i J 10 of the RAC to review same, and provide appropriate comments. And I did. 11 12 0 Can you recall what your comments were? a 13 MR. MILLER: I object to that on the grounds 14 of deliberative process. MS. CASEY: You may answer. 15 THE WITNESS: I do not specifically recall what 16 i 17 my comments were -- excuse me, let me take this pipe out 18 of my mouth. 19 Generally, what I would do is note my comments 20 on a draft received, and return same to the FEMA originator. 21 Unfortunately, when I work in this area of RAP 22 review, in a sense I am a one-man show. I have very limited f

25 l 1 secretarial help, and I have to confine my responses to 2 offering handwritten responses. And if you havp a piece 3 of Paper there with my handwriting, you know the difficulty. 4 MR. CUMMING: Can we go off the record for a 5 minute? 6 (Off the record discussion.) 7 MR. CUMMING: I am sorry to interrupt. 8 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 9 Q You will notice that these objectives are dated 10 November 6, 1985. Did you ever see any other objectives 11 for the Shoreham exercise prior to that exercise? 12 A I cannot recall having seen any other objectives la prior to the exercise -- I mean, prior to these set of 14 objectives. To the best of my knowledge, I do not recall any, 15 Q Did you see a set of objectives after these 16 oh4ectives, but before the exercise? 17 A I believe I did see a set of objectives which 18 were indicated as the final set of objectives for.the 19 exercise. 20 It may have even been part of my package that 21 I was given prior to the exercise. 22 O If you will look at page 2 of 12 of the November 6

26 1 objectives, one of the objectives, about two-thirds of the 2 way down the page, reads, quote: Demonstrate the ability 3 to activate the prompt notification siren system in 4 coordination with the State and County (State and County 5 participation simulated). 6 Prior to the exercise, were you aware that this demonstration would be deleted in the exercise objectives? 8 A To the best of my knowledge, I believe I became 9 aware that the siren system would not be activated at the I 10 briefing we were all given two days, or one day, prior to 11 the exercise. 12 0 Had you heard any discussion concerning this i 13 objective prior to that? 14 A Discussions? No, I did not hear any discussions 15 prior to that. 16 0 Did you read anything other than the document 17 itself concerning this objective, do you recall? 18 A I do not recall if I did read anything regarding 19 this particular objective. 20 0 Who was it who stated at the briefing that the 21 sirens would not be activated? 22 A To my recollection, was that at the detailed

27 i 1 -- I do recall that at the detailed briefing, it was 2 Mr. Kowieski, the RAC Chairman, when - discussing, the. series 3 of exercise objectives indicated that it would not be an 4 actual sounding of the siren system. l-B 5 Q Were you involved in any way in the decision to J J 6 delete this objective? j 7 A I do not believe I was involved in the decision 8 to delete this objective. 9 Q You don't know for sure? 10 A I was not involved in the decision to delete 11 this objective. Thank you. 4 I 1 12 O If you will turn to page 4 of 12 in the same la set of objectives, again, about two-thirds of the way down 14 the page, there are two objectives which deal with -- the 15 first one is: Demonstrate that the permanent population 16 has received information on how they will be notified, 17 et cetera, et cetera; and then immediately after that, I 18 there is a second one, which reads: Demonstrate that 19 information on emergency actions have been provided to the 1 1 20 transient population. 21 Again, were you aware that these two objectives 22 would be deleted prior to the' exercise? t

28 1 A I was not aware these objectives were to be 2 deleted prior to the exercise. 3 Q Were you aware that these were not part of the 4 final objectives for this exercise? 5 A Without a point-by-point comparison of the final 6 set of objectives and ec set of objectives, I cannot I 7 judge. 8 If, in fact, they do not appear in the finalized ) 9 set of objectives, then I have to conclude they were 10 eliminated from the set of objectives to be tested. 11 I think it must be pointed out that from the 12 point of time of receipt of the draft until I saw the 13 fin al, I would reiterate I was not directly privy to any 14 information that related to prior deletion or to these 15 deletions, to the best of my knowledge. 16 O WGll I will represent to you that neither of i 17 these two objectives was in the final listing of exercise is objectives, and is it f air to say that at the time of the 19 exercise you thought these objectives would be demonstrated? 20 A If these objcetives were within my. set of 21 objectives, responsibility for which were vested in 22 activities at the LERO EOC, I think I would have been f ar

a 29 i l 1 more knowledgeable that they might have been deleted. .. 2 At the time of the. exercise, I think, I i a concentrated on both objectives which were to be demon-4 strated with regard to activities at the LERO EOC. R 1 5 0 Are you saying that those objectives weren' t l 6-important to you, because they were not within the peJe ticular 7 area you were going to evaluate? 8 A I would not classify them as unimportant to me. j 9 I think as an observer at an exercise, one is responsible j 10 for reflecting on all the objectives that are part of the i 11 exercise, which will truly test the performance of that i i 12 exercise as it measures against certain standards. ] 13 I think I would be less concerned with respect 14 to particular objectives if I did not see them in front of i 15 me, or if they were not within my area of responsibility 16 for that particular exercise. 17 I do not wish to indicate that I think these i 18 are less important, or more important. 19 Q Do you recall noticing that they were not l 20 demonstrated, or not to be demonstrated? 21 A I am not sure, for example, if the public 22 information brochures which would advise both the z

30 1 permanent and the transient populations of how they will be 2 notified in the event of an emergency was, in fact, 3 communicate d. 4 I do recall -- I believe I do recall -- reviewing 5 a public information brochure regarding the Shoreham Power 6 Plant. I am not absoultely certain, however. I have reviewed 7 many plans, and whether or not I reviewed a particular 8 information brochure that would have gone out to the 0 9 affected population here, I cannot be certain. 10 But it is my vague recollection that that may 11 have been part of one of the many plan submissions we did 12 re ce ive. 13 0 So, sitting here today you cannot state with 1 any certainty whether or not such a brochure was distributed? 14 15 A I cannot. 16 Q If you will turn to page 7 of 12 of these 17 objectives. There is a list of objectives there relating 18 to the Brookhaven Area Office, and then there is a Footnote 1 19 at the bottom of the page, which states: These objectives 20 have not been reviewed by the Brookhaven Area Office. 21 It is my understanding from the memo sent with 22 these objectives that this comment was made by the utility.

31 1 What I wanted to ask you was do you know whether BHO ever \\ 2 reviewed these objectives? i 1 3 A Initially, let me point out the designation of 1 4 Brookhaven Area Of fice is an incorrect designation, because 5 the office that performed and was a player in this 6 activity, was the Brookhaven National Laboratory RAP 7 response group, which is not the Brookhaven Area Of fice. 8 The Brookhaven Area Office is a designation of 9 me Department of Energy group. 10 As to whether or not -- recognizing that we i ) 11 are talking about an entity that is incorrectly described l I 12 here. l 13 Q Right. Well, to your knowledge, did anyone from 14 BHO, BNL - I don't know -- ] 1 15 A I Personally remember responding to this i i 16 particular set of objectives. I don't -- I think I even j 17 recommended a change because of -- the thrust of su ne of RW fI \\ 18 these objectives is to give unto the DOE Rhe Group a role 19 which I think was not designated in the plan as far as 1 20 making decisions. j 21 They made recommendations, and I think the changes i 22 that evolved into the final draft regarding these objectives 1 f i l

32 for the Brookhaven DOE RAP group, was to clearly indicate 1 2 that they were making recommendations and final decision regarding protective actions was vested in the health 3 4 services coordinator, I believe. 5 0 Other than yourself, did you show these to any-6 body else at BHO? ) 7 A I do not recall specifically. 8 MS. CASEY: I would like to have marked as l 9 Fish Exhibit 1, a handwritten memorandum to Roger 10 Kowieski, from Herbert Fish. (Above referenced document is xx INdex 11 marked Fish Exhibit No. 1, for 12 identi fi cation. ) j 13 14 (Witness peruses document.) 1 BY MS. CASEY: (,on tinuing ) 15 Q So, I take it, tr. Fish, this is one of the 16 17 comments you were just refttring to, is that correct? 18 A This is correct. i 19 Q What was your discussion with Mr. Kowieski, 20 can you recall? 21 A I do not recall. 22 MR. CUMMING: Can we go of f the record for

1 l 33 1 a second? 1 (Off the record.) 2 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) l 3 4 Q You don't recall this discussion with Mr. Kowieski, is that correct? 5 A The specifics of the discussion, I do not recall. i 6 l MS, CASEY: I would like to have another document 9 marked as Fish Exhibit No. 2. 8 ( Above referenced document is XX index 9 marked Fish Exhibit No. 2, for to iden ti fi c ation. ) 13 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 13 Q Do you recall making this comment, Mr. Fish? 13 I realize you did not write this document. 14 A That is corre ct. I did not write this document. 15 However, you will note I am reading 1st BAO, I believe I 16 5 1 stated before that that was -- the BAO designation was 37 ig incorrect, so I must have called and ccrrected it i 19 s ubseq uen tly, and then after further reflection on what j l I recommended, I communicated to -- I assume this, 'Paula C,' f 20 ) % ele Mr is Paula Camarada, AA4s additional word changes. W 21 1 22 Q Can you explain to me the nature of the second j l i l l l a t l

1 ) 34 1 1 change which is noted on this page? 2 How does that relate to your earlier comment? a 1 9 A I think -- I believe the thrust of the revision 3 was to make absolutely crystal clear the f act th at l 4 5 information was being provided to the accident assessment l W (f 6 people f rom the DOE R^r Group that would af ford them the 7 opportunity to make the protective action recommendation. [ I a Q So, would it be f air to say that this is part 9 of the re finement l 10 A I would -- I was supposed to let you finish. i 11 I apologize. I apologize to the Reporter. This is a 12 further refinement of my comment dated 12/9/85. whrd-1 13 My recollection is it does reflect that I 14 communicated over the telephone. 15 0 And why, in your mind, was it so important to 16 make this point clear? ] l 17 A I think it was important to make this point is clear, certainly with respect to the designation of the 19 operating entity, t' hat it would be completely in accordinace j i 20 with what the plan provided. l 21 O By, ' operating en tity, ' you mean -- l 22 A BAO designation changed to BHO, and the fact i i I I

35 1 that this group was functioning to provide and support 2 information being forwarded to the LERO EOC for,it's 3 accident assessment determinations. 4 0 When did you first. learn that you would be an evaluator at the Shoreham exercise? 5 6 A Well, I guess I would have anticipated being an 7 evaluator when it was decided that there would be an exercise 8 at Shoreham. 9 I had been' a participant with FEMA Region II on 10 many of its exercises, serving in many capacities, and I 11 had assumed that I would be called upon to serve as a FEMA evaluator for the Shoreham exercise. So, I guess it 12 13 was shortly after the determination was made to go forward 1 14 with the exercise. I J 1 I was not officially notified until some time 15 16 in January or February of ' 85 -- was that when they. did 17 the exercise? '85, right. l 18 '86, '86. We are in '87. Forgive me. 19 February '86. 20 Q Did somebody request your participation? 21 A I believe I received a formal request from the 1 22 RAC Chairman, Roger Kowieski, with an appropriate package

36' I appended thereto. 2 The normal, routine package that one receives for 3 any exercise. I don't think there was anything that would distinguish what I received in connection with this exercise 4 5 from any other exercise I had participated in. 4 6 Q So, the point that you received packet, was it then that you were told what.your evaluator assignment would 7 8 be? 9 A I believe in that packet it indicated that I 10 was to be assigned to the LERO EOC. I was part of the team 11 headed by Jerry Connolly, and my specific assignment was 12 in the support services area. la O Is there any reason why you would have been given 14 that particular assignment? 15 A I have no reason -- I know of no reason. I was rather disappointed that I was given that assignment. 16 17 Q What did you want to be? 18 A I enjoyed being a team leader, and have in every 19 exercise I had been in. I was engaged in a rather benign 20 function during the course of Obat exercise. f 21 MR. CUMMING: Would you have.an estimate now 22 of about how long you are going to go on,

'l 37 j 1 MS. CASEY: It is hard to tell. Maybe another j 2 hour or so. 3 MR. CUMMING: Okay. J4 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 5 0 You mentioned _ already one briefing session that 1 6 you attended in Long Island prior to the exercise. Do you 7 recall any other training sessions or meetings you had the days immediately preceding the exericse? on 9 A My. recollection is that the very first training 10 session that the exercise participants had was on 11 February 11, 1986, at the Inn at Medford, on Long Island. 12 Q And what do you recall-about that meeting? 13 A If you have a copy of the itinerary, I would 14 he very happy to track that with you. 15 0 Sure. 16 (Pause.) 17 A You can hold on to it and see how good my 18 memory is. 19 ( Laugh te r. ) 20 MS. CASEY: Let the record reflect that I am 21 passing the witness a document entitled: Itinerary for' 22 Shoreham Exercise, February 10 through 14, 1986.

'38 1 THE WITNESS: Oh, yes. 1 2 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) Q Right now, I am interested in the sessions before 3 the exercise. 4 A Okay. I think as I indicated a moment or two j 5 6 ago, I viewed the briefing that we received initially by. Mr. Kowieski, will be no different from any other briefing 7 that I have ever been in attendance with FEMA Region II 8 g regarding preparation for an exercise. i Q So for this reason -- in A The specifics discussed.here, and'the topics to 11 be covered, were in fact covered by Mr. Kowieski. 12 O So, that briefing was held on the lith between 33 8: 30 and noon? 14 A That is correct. To the best of my recollection, those were the hours that briefing was held, and I was in 16 17 attendance, I believe. 18 Q One of the topics listed there is: Exercise 19 Evaluation Concept, and then BHO is listed underneath that. 20 Do you recall what was said about that? 21 A I believe the purpose of this listing, and the 22 distinction here made for BHO, was to show the various

y i j i 4 39 1 places where activities were going to be conducted during 2 the course of the exercise and where in fact there were going to be Federal evaluators stationed for purposes of 3 4 evaluation. 5 Q And that was the extent of it? 6 A I believe so. 7 Q Could you go to the training session that i 8 afternoon, held from 1:15 to 3:00 p.m.? 9 A I always attend Mr. Leller's training sessions, because often times I find them rather enlightening, and 10 11 it was important for me to attempt to be in attendance at all sessions in the event that if any questions came up, 12 13 I think, in connection with any of the plan elements, that 14 I, as a member of RAC, and other members of RAC who were 15 there, if called upon could be helpful and responsive. 16 Q on either of these two meetings held on the 17 llth, do you recall any LILCO or LERO people being present? 18 A I do not re call. It would be my -- that is 19 speculation. 20 MR. CUMMING: No need to speculate. 21 THE WITNESS: I believe FEMA evaluators, controllers 22 and simulators were present at that session. I do not

I l ) 40 l believe -- I will state there were no players present at i 1 j .2 that session. 3 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) ) 1 '4 Q Okay. But for instance at the morning meeting i 5 it mentions that LERO Controllers were also invited to 6 attend. 7 A But they are not players. 8 Q Righ t. 9 A I could not identify them. 10 0 What happened at the evaluation team meeting for 11 your team, which was held also on the llth? 12 A Oh. It is common practice at all exercises for 13 the team leader to meet with members of his team. To go 14 over their specific assignments. To be certain that they 15 are aware of where they have to go. To be certain they i 16 are f amiliar -- if they are going out into the field that they have the right maps, that they know the routes they 17 is have to take. 19 To go over any particular matters during the course

• 20 of the day.

To discuss the interplay and the desire for 21 a coordinated effort to effect and effective evaluation 22 at the exercise.

41 1 Q Can you recall' anything specific that your 2 team leader instructed you to do, or to consider? 3 3 A Since I was provided with an appropriate set of 4 OPIPs, most of my direction was 'quite clear as to what my 5 responsibilities were. 6 I do believe that I was asked to review those 7 pieces of paper, and be prepared for the exercise day. I 8 Q And then on the 12th, did you drive to the EOC 9 that morning? 10 A I drove to Brentwood, to be certain that I knew q ) 11 where it was and how long it would take me to get there, and 12 I did not enter the f acility that date. I just drove to the 13 outside gate. i 14 Q And then did you study your assignment th at 15 afternoon? 16 A Diligently. 17 0 And then at the general meeting for evaluators, 18 controllers and simulators that evening, do you recall 19 anything about that meeting? 20 A May I ask specifically what time frame you are 21 referring to? 22 0 4:00 to 5:00 p.m., on the bottom --

y 42 1 A' Yeah, I believe that brief session was for the- .2 . purpose of being certain that everybody knew where his .3 assignment was, where he had to go, et cetera.. ~4 I don't know of any problems having been identifiec 5 at that session. 6 Q Prior to your showing up for this particular 7 exercise, have you ever been in attendance at any LERO or 8 LILCO drills or training sessions? 9 A No -- there was one the previous week,. I believe. 10 I was not in attendance. 11 0 Do you know of any BHO, BNL personnel who were 12 in attendance at any drills prior to the February 13th 13 exercise? 14 A BNL, DOE RAP Group was a participant in prior 15 drills. 16 O AnyDOdy else? 17 A Not to my knowledge, 18 MS. CASEY: Let's take about a five minute 19 b re ak. 20 (Recess taken at 3:00 p.m., to reconvene at 21 3:10 p.m., this same day.) 2-A 22 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing)

R 43 j i 1 Q Do'you recall at-any time prior to the exercise ] 2 having discussions with any LILCO personnel? t 3 A I do not recall having any discussions with any 4 LILCO persons. 5 Q How about with any members of the Local Emergency 6 Response organizations? 1 A No, ma'am. 8 MS. CASEY: I would like to have marked as-9 Fish Exhibit No. 3 an exercise evaluation critique. ( Above referenced document is xx Index to marked Fish Exhibit No. 3, for 11 identification. ) 12 13 BY MS. CASEY: (Con tin uing) 14 Q If you would look at these, Mr. Fish, and tell f they are, in fact, the forms you filled out, or-Ic copies of the form you filled out? 17 A There is only one' person that could write like 18 that, and that is me. Yes, I filled out these forms. 19 Q And you recognize the writing on each of the 20 Pages? 21 A Yes, I do. 22 Q And it is your own writing?

44 1 A Yes, it is. 2 O When did you fill these formn out? 3 A These forms were completed ate time after the 4 completion of the exercise. 5 Q Do you have any idea how soon after the exercise? I 6 A I would say the evening we returned from the 7 exercise af ter our general meeting with the RAC Chairman, 8 and the development of the time line each of us respectively 9 met briefly with our team leader, and then adjourned to our i respective rooms and worked on our evaluation forms. 11 Q And in filling this out, what materials did you i 12 use? 1 13 A In filling out these forms I would have used 14 notes that I would have taken during the course of the i 15 exercise. 16 Q Anything else? 17 A I certainly had at hand copies of the OPIPs to 18 be certain that particular designations were properly 19 reflected in the evaluation form. 20 Q And did you consult with anyone about what' you 21 were going to write? 22 A Unless there is anything contained in here that i

45 1 required a coordinated response, the answer to that 2 question is, no. 3 0 Okay. Looking at the first sheet, which is 4 labeled Objective: EOC 2. Can you tell me what you did 5 to evaluate this objective? i 6 A On the morning of the exercise, approximately -- 7 I guess it was 6:00 a.m., I arrived at the Brentwood EOC, 8 and Stationed myself in the general. area according to the 9 LERO EOC floor plan, where the Support -Services Coordinator's 10 activities would have been conducted. I believe there was 11 a chair and a partial portion of a desk provided for my 12 use and observation, and based upon the objective and the 13 points of review, I would have carefully observed what 14 transpired during the course of that exercise. 15 0 Were you just evaluating this in terms of the 16 support services personnel? 17 A My principal responsibility, my assignment was 18 support services coordinator, and his activities during 19 the course of that exercise. Someone else was assigned l 1 20 to accident assessment, someone else was assigned to 21 evacuation coordinator, someone else was assigned to 22 communications, and someone else was assigned to command and i

46 1 control functions. 2 Q For instance, your comment here on the right 3 hand side, are these based solely on -your observation of 4 support services function? 5 A I think they go lower than the support services, 6 because I was present at the LERO EOC, and I don't think it 7 is uncommon when one writes a response to an objective to 8 attempt to capture that which he, in fact, obcerved. 9 It may become complimentary information to to somebody else's objective comment, and I note that there 11 are one, two, th ree, four -- five evaluators assigned, and 12 all five of us may have responded to this particular EOC 2. 13 Q The last sentence of your comments, you s tate : 14 Appropriate maps, status boards, communicati6n links, 15 et cetera, were available for operation. 16 Do you recall what status boards and maps you 17 looked at? 18 A I believe that in the main room, the operation 19 room as distinguish ~ed from the separate command and control 20 room and the accident assessment room, there~were a 21 multitude of status boards which would have indicated 22 information regarding the sectors,. regarding populations in

47 1 those sectore, evacuation routes, and a multitude of-2 information that one normally sees at -- in an EOC. 3 They were very detailed, and they were very 4 helpful in keeping abreast of the activities, in addition 5 to the periodic updates that were communicated in the 6 operations room itself. 7 0 So, it would be fair to say that these were 8 maps and status boards relating to the emergency rather 9 than specifically to the support services? 10 A That is correct. They were broader than the 11 support services function. One recognizes that -- and 12 my recollection is that support services in addition to ) 13 being concerned with housekeeping functions for the LERO j 1 1 14 activity, being concerned with the LERO family tracking I 15 -- I am talking about LILCO people in the LERO relocation 16 center, and also being concerned with the American Red l 17 Cross activity. I 18 These would be much broader, yes. 19 Q You also note in your comments that notification 20 of activation of staging areas at Patchogue, Port Jef ferson, 21 and Riverhead, were confirmed. How was that done? 22 A Confirmed by posting -- confirmed by posting on l 1

l 48 j 1 I the respective information boards the fact that Patchogue, 2 Riverhead, Port Jefferson, were open and functi ning. Q 3 There was a' report at some point in time in the 4 early morning exercise that various field activities were, 5 in fact, activated and the times recorded of their activation. 6 Q So, your comment goes to the fact you know that -- 1 1 A Made that observation. That is correct. .{ l I 8 0 If you look at the next objective, which is EOC 3, 9 how did you evaluate this objective? l 10 A Directly next to the position where the Support q 11 Services Communicator sat in the EOC, was the lead LERO 12 communicator, and I observed a review of'the roster, 13 computerized roster, of all available personnel. 14 Indicated thereon as I recall, those who were 15 currently performing the first shift, those who represented J 16 the backup individuals, and that there was, in fact, a 17 verification of that. At some point in time that was j i 18 communicated back to the manager, and in fact I recall an I 19 announcement having been made -- now looking at this note -- 20 it says that the first shift would operate from 8:00 p.m., -- 21 I am not sure that was correct time, but I do remember 22 that there was some communication that there was going to be

I i j 49 I i I a second shift during the course of the ' exercise. At 3 ,j 2 least simulated by the roster verification. ] 3 O So, you observed somebody reviewing computerized ~~ 4 'A I observed somebody reviewing such a list, 5 1 corre ct.. 6 7 0 Was a second and third shift roster for Red 8 Cross personnel shown to you? 9 A The Red Cross representative indicated to me that in the event of prolonged operations, there would be j a replacement or backup Red Cross Coordinator at the LERO l 33 EOC. 12 l 13 0 How did he or she indicate that to you? 34 A It is my recollection that I observed a list with additional support people for the American Red Cross 15 noted thereon. 16 17 0 Now, was this list confined to American Red Cross 18 personnel who would go to the EOC, or did it include the 19 personnel who would staf f the reception center and the 20 congregate care centers? i 21 A My only observation related to the American Red 22 Cross representative at the EOC. j t

e 50 i 1 Q So, to your knowledge there was one other 2. person available for this function? g l 3 A I do not recall the number of people who are 4 available. 5 Q You also note in. your. comments under this section s there was a simulation of call out of the second shift. j 7 How as this done? 8 A I believe that is a reflection of the announcement 1 9 made by the Manager of LERO that, in fact, we will simulate 10 a second shift change at a particular point in time, and j 11 as I recall at that point in time, and I do not believe it ) 12 was eight p.m., as my notes reflect here -- I think it was 13 more like four o' clock in the af ternoon if I remember 14 correctly ~ -- that those lists of backup people would have 15 been supplied to the lead communicator, and in turn that 16 would have evidenced the f act that there were backup, i 17 second shift available people for each of the activities in 18 the.LERO EOC. l Did you actually observe somebody making simulated 19 Q 20 phone calls? i 21 A I do not-recall that specifically. 22 Q If you will look at the next objective, which is i 1 J

1 I 51 1 EOC 11, the exhibit contains two copies of this particular 1 i 2 form. 9 I was wondering if you could tell me which one is 3 4 1 4 yours, or if they are both yours. 5 MR. CUMMING: Counsel will' state for the reccrd 1 1 again with respect to this morning's deposition, where the 6 7 form indicated modification - or there were two versions, both 8 versions were produced to all parties. 1 9 THE WITNESS: It is my view that this is merely J i 10 a re-write -- if I am tracking the words, they look 11 exactly the same. ) 12 BY MS. CASEY: (Con tinuing) la Q Did you make the cross-outs on the second of 14 these two forms? 15 MR. CUMMING: Once again, that is a reflection i of the deliberative process that the Board of January 9th 16 17 ruled adversely to FEMA's request, and felt that Intervener's 18 need for the information outweighed FEMA's need for ) i 19 con fiden tiality. i

• 20 BY MS. CASEY:

(Continuing) i 21 0-Did you cross out these lines, Mr. Fish? 22 A No, I did not. May I comment further? I

52 1 MR. CUMMING: Sure, to the extent you have 2 knowledge. 3 THE WITNESS: I believe that the -- the first 4 sheet I am looking at, absent any cross-outs, is the sheet 5 that I would have prepared. 6 The cross-out, for example, -- the first cross-out 7 deals with both of these operations concerning LERO 8 personnel. They, in fact, do concern LERO personnel. I 9 don' t know why they would have been crossed out. 10 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 11 Q And how about the second cross-out? 12 A Periodic Status Reports of activities were 13 communicated -- they certainly were, and I observed that. 14 So, I would infer that the first form with no cross-outs is, 15 in fact, my generated evaluation sheet. 16 Q And you have no personal knowledge as to how 17 those come to be crossed out? 1 18 A I have no such personal knowledge. 19 0 Well, what did you observe in evaluating EOC 11? 20 A The function of the Support Service Coordinator, 21 as I indicated before, was to be certain that security of -{ 1 22 the facility was maintained. There were, as I recall, three

5 53 1 access points to the facility. The main one being the 2 front desk, where people.were badged before they were 3 Permitted to enter. The other two being two. doors that were '4 guarded, through which I saw no one entering or leaving. 5 I observed the Support Service Coordinator in j i -d contact with other members of his immediate staff, logistic 6 7 support staff and some administrative staff. 8 I observed the Support Services Coordinator in 9 contact with the American Cross representative, and the 10 two LERO-related activities. ) 11 Q Did you observe any communication between the 4 12 support services coordinator and any persons located out i 13 in the field? 14 A I observed telephone calls and communication 15 records being made by the Support Service Coordinator with the 16 LERO Family Tracking Center, and the LERO Relocation Center. 17 Q At the end of your comments, your last two 18 sentences, you state that the American Red Cross Coordinator ] 19 maintained contact with the reception cen ter at the coliseum, j 20 and Red Cross Headquarters at Mineola, and through Mineola. 1 21 the congregate care centers activated. 22 Was the American Red Cross Coordinator in direct

I 1 54 i i contact with anybody in' the congregate care centers? 2. A I do not know if he was in direct contact. ) i 3 0 Did you observe any direct communication between ) '4 the congregate care centers and the American Red. Cross Coordinator? 5 6 A I do not recall observing any direct contact. 1 7 I do recall his talking to the Mineola' office, and I assumed' i ) 8 through that office having information regarding the ] l 9 opening of the two congregate care centers that were, in H 10 fact, opened during the course of the exercise. i 11 0 Did you observe any direct communication between the American Red Cross Coordinator and the reception center? 12 13 A The Nassau Coliseum? 14 0 Yes. 15 A Yes, I did. A couple of occasions where there 16 were calls made with respect to verification that it was 17 open, the status of activity, need for additional resources, 18 et cetera. 19 0 So, these were all incoming calls from the 20 reception center to the Red Cross representative? 21 A Some were incoming, some were outgoing, i 22 O Aside from communicating with Mineola and the

1 i f i 55 1 reception center, did you observe the American Red Cross q 2 Coordinator doing anything else? j 3 A I do not recall observing any other activities 1 '4 other than those principal activities. 5 0 Did you observe any communications between the support services coordinator'and the' industrial relations j 6 1 coordinator? 1 \\ 8 A There were discussions. However, I was not 9 aware of specifically what they related to. 10 0 If you will look at the next objective, which ~ 11 is EOC 16, can you tell me what happened here? \\ 12 A It is noted here that it is assigned to Mr. Smith. 13 It is marked, ' Primary.' I don't know what that is. I don't j 14 know if that is my writing or not, but I did not observe -- 1 15 or I did not comment on this particula r objective. 16 0 The comment states, 'not obse rved. ' Is that your 17 writing? 18 A That does not look like my printing. It may be. 19 I don't know. 20 0 Do you recall being assigned this objective? 21 A I do not recall being assigned this objective. 22 0 Okay. The last objective assigned to you was

l l 56 ) 1 EOC 19. Can you tell me what you did in connection with i 2 evaluating this objective? 3 A This particular objective, the day of the exercise, 4 I believe I was requested by Mr. Smith, who may have responded 5 fully on this particular objective, to track as to follow the request that was conveyed to the simulator for assistance from 6 7 the Suffolk County Police regarding the need for resources 8 to assist in - the access control points to preclude re-entry 9 to the evacuated area. ) to O The Suf folk County Police Department in fact did 11 not participate? 12 A Tnat is correct. This was a simulated activity i 13 where, in fact, a request was made of the County Liaison i 14 and I believe that request was forwarded to the Simulator ) County Control cell at Broolfhaven for assistance. 15 16 Q Given the entire activity was simulated, how .17 were you able to conclude tliat accident control was enhanced? i 18 A In a sense that c'onclusion may have been improper, ] 13 since the evaluation report is not -- it is not noted as to 20 whether or not that objective has or has not been met, an d 21 I believe this statement may have been a gratuitous statement. t 22 on my part, and I dcn't believe -- the detail of this

57 1 particular objective may or may not reflect that statement. 2 I don't know what other comments Mr. Smith may have..made 3 regarding this. '4 Q Aside from tracking the simulated request for 5 as sis tan ce, did you do anything else in connection with 6 evaluating this objective? 7 A No, I did not do anything else regarding 8 evaluation of this objective. 9 Q So you didn't, for example, review the things 10 that are listed under that Points Of Review? 11 A No, I did not. 12 Q After the exercise, did you receive a copy of 13 any drafts of the FEMA Report? 14 A I did receive a copy of the draft FEMA Report 15 after the exercise. j l 16 Q Do you know which draft? 17 A I received a draf t. I am not sure which draf t 18 I re ceive d. I received a draft, and then I think the next 19 thing I received was a final version of the report, is my 20 re colle ction. j 21 O I will represent to you that there were, 22 apparently, two drafts of the report; one dated March 12th j

58 1 and one April 7th, I believe. Can you recall which of those 2 two you may have seen? 3 A I cannot recall. ~4 Q Did you make any' comments? 5 A .I believe I reviewed all of those pertinent' 6 sections which would have reflected my observations to be certain that the drafter, or drafters, ' captured my 7 8 evaluation. 9 In addition to that, I reviewed, as I would to normally review drafts after exercises, for overall 11 consistency, editorial changes, and typos, et cetera. 12 0 But in terms of substantive review, would it be 13 fair to say that your review was confined to those areas -- 14 A Which I had directly evaluated,- correct. 15 0 As a result of this review, did you make any 16 suggestions or comments? 17 A As I recall, I made no substantive changes to the 18 draft report., 19 0 Now, you said earlier that you did review Revs. 7 20 and 8, is that correct? 21 A Yes, I did review Rev. 7 and Rev. 8. 22 0 When did you first see --

59 1 A -- Rev. 7 and Rev. 87 Late November, early l 2 December of ' 86. It may have been received sooner, but 3 I think ' that is approximately the time frame. 1 '4 At -least, that is the time frame I looked at it. i 5 Q Did anyone else in the Department of' Energy i 6 review -- 7 MR. CUMMING: Objection to this line of 8 questioning with respect to Revisions 7 and 8. Both-on 9 relevancy and deliberative process. 10 However, to the extent the witness has knowledge, t 11 he may answer that question. 12 THE WITNESS: To my knowledge, no one else in the 13 Department of Energy reviewed Revision 7 or Revision 8. 14 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 15 Q How about personnel at BHO or BNL? Did any of 1 16 them review Rev. 7 or Rev. 8? 17 A To my knowledge no one at BHO or BNL reviewed 18 Revision 7 or Revision 8. 19 Q Did you attend any RAC Meetings? 20 A I attended a RAC Meeting regarding the finalization j 21 of each of the reviewers respective comments, and as in past ) 22 RAC Reviews regarding plan reviews, comments were discussed 1 i j

60-and consensus reached regarding the. final comments 1 2 submitted. 3 Q In doing your review, did you focus on any a '4 'particular part of the plan? MR. CUMMING: Continuing objection to the line 5 1 .The of questioning, based on both relevancy and privilege. 6 witness may answer to the extent he has personal knowledge. 7 8 THE WITNESS: My review related to those specific deficiencies in areas requiring corrective action 9 that Revisions 7 and 8 addressed. 10 i BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) il 12 Q Did you focus at all on the adequacy of LILCO's new reception center and its new monitoring procedures? 13 14 MR. CUMMING: Continuing objection to this-line of questioning based on relevancy to this proceeding. 15 16 Privilege. I am not going to assert that again, but that is a standing objection with respect to this line of 17 is questioning. To the extent the witness has information, he 19 20 may answer. THE WITNESS: I noted that Revision 8 replaces 21 the Nassau Coliseum as a reception center with three 22 i

i 61 1 designated LILCO facilities, and I believe the RAC noted j 2 that. But as I believe the RAC Report reflects, they 3 would be subject to some future evaluation. 4 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 5 Q Did you provide any written comments following j 6 your review of these two Revs? ) 7 A Utilizing the format of. the post. exercise assessment' 8 detail, appropriate comments were made and transmitted to i 9 FEMA regarding the plan review items that related thereto. 10 MR. CUMMING: Can we go off the-record for a 11 moment. 12 (Off the record.) 13 BY MS. CASEY: (Continuing) 14 Q Back on the record. Right before that break, Eyou 15 said that utilizing the format of the exercise report, 16 written comments were provided. Now, when you said that, 17 were you referring to what the RAC as a whole did? 18 A My choice in my review, to expedite the review I 19 rather than to restate issues, et cetera, was to go through ' 20 the format of the post exercise assessment area by area, i 21 and extrapolate from the Revisions 7 and. 8, the points th at 22 addressed those particular points.

62 1 Now, I have a strong feeling that other members 2 of the RAC may have approached it the same way.. I don't 3 recall that everyone did. 4 Q And those are written comments which you forwarded 5 to FEMA? 6 A Forwarded to FEMA, correct. 7 MS. CASEY: Mr. Cumming, I would like to 8 request those as we did with Mr. Giardina this morning. ) 9 MR. CUMMING: Again, I will reflect the fact j 10 we don't have a formal discovery request with respect to 11 Revisions 7 and 8. I will defer to the Department of 12 Energy. If they want to produce those. 13 However, I note your request and we will respond 14 appropria tely. 15 MS. CASEY: Thank you. I have no'further 16 que s tion s. 17 MR. MILLER: I have no questions. 18 MR. CUMMING: No questions. 19 MS. CASEY: Thank you very much. ' 20 THE WITNESS: Thank you. H 21 (Whereupon, the taking of the deposition was 22 concluded at 3:50 p.m., this same day.) END

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G/ARieXFx %D .%1 %T f ifg)N; Federal Emergency Management Agency t %g.,x# l_ 9> g.J T Region II 26 Federal Plaza New York, New York 10278 t ~57g. NCI Meterandum For: Charles Arato, NPC Herber Fish, DOE ~ Paul A. Giardina, EPA Rcnald E. Bernacki, FDA Paul Lutz, DOT Gecrge E. Bickerton, CSDA Joseph H. Keller, H IL Thcras E. Baldwin, AST jp S. O TMM e ' From: P cr . Kcwieski, Chairnan Regional Assistance Comittee

Subject:

Proposed Shoreham Exercise In a letter to TEv.A dated No"e-ter 12, 1985, Mr. Willier J. Dirks -'r. . n x...;;. 21..

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- t;_ -.r. s. the approach outlined m Option 2 (see October 29, 1955 letter frcm Saruel W. Speck to William J. Dirks). An exercise has been tentatively scheduled for February 13, 1986. I will keep you apprised of the situation, and have attached for your information the ti.e-line which all parties : ast adhere to in order for the exercise to be ccnducted as scheduled. In the near future you will be receiving the proposed exercise cbjectives along with the utility corrents for your review. It is extre ely i.rcrtant that all exercise raterial is kept ccnfidential to assure the creditability of this exercise. Please do not release any infer ation per+.aining to this exercis, unless it is discussed with ne and concurred by our agencies legal counsels. Thank you again for ycur centinued eccperation in this i gcrtar.t ratter. Attachrenth ~ 7905tI

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3 1 2 DEC BBS j ^~ j l Mr. Charles A. Daverio long Island Lighting Company 175 East Old Country Road Hicksville, New York 11801

Subject:

Status and Milestones Relating to the Proposed Radiological Plan Exercise for'Shoreham l T

Dear Mr. Daverio:

The purpose of this letter is to summarize our discussions. and confirm the agreements reached at the November 25, 1985 meeting in New York City attended by: 1 LILCO Charles Daverio LII40/Aidikoff Assoc. l Brant Aidikoff I Raymond seiter LILCO/Impell NRC, Region I . Charles Amato TBA/ FEMA William Stokes Argonne National Laboiato:/ q Edward Tan man NRC, National Office Eernard Weiss FD'.A, Region II Rcbert L. Acerno l FEMA, Region II/CGC Stewarg M. Glass FEMA, National /OGC Spence W. Perry TEMA, Region II/RAC' Chairman Roger B. Kcwieski I. GENERAL DISCUSSION 1 I o The scenario is to be kept strictly confidential as it evolves, so that no exercise participants have access to it'. The letter frca John A. Weismantle, LILCO, to Roger Kowieski dated November 25, 1985 on this subject (dsitributed at the meeting) is to be followed by another one re-flecting additional requirements suggested by Stewart Glass, Esq. o Che exercise is to be no earlier than Februa:'f 13, 1986. 'LILCO will try to arrange for that date,.the main problem.is the Nassau Ccliseum j may not be available because setup fer the-upccr.ing beat shew night: Inter-fere with the exercise. L;I40 will get back to FEMA about this issue. 790578 J

1 3 a .( U j q 1 1 c. Page (2). The exercise will test Revision 5 of the LILCO Transition Plan: l o furtherfrevisions to reflect the RAC review of Revisien 5 will not be ~ made prior to the exercise. The exercise will take no more than one day, approximately -l o

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II. EXERCISE OBJECTIVES s On November 6, 1985, I submitted the proposed objectives to be demonstrated in the upcoming offsite exercise to Mr. Richard' Krimm' of FEMA headquarters office. On November >21, 1985, the exercise objectives ~ were forwarded to Mr. Edward Jordan of NRC. Consequently, on November' 22, 1985 a copy of Mr. Krimm's memorandum to Mr. Jordan and the. proposed exercise. objectives were transmitted to your office. At our November 25, 1985 meeting, there was a brief discussion. of the exercise objectives. Some of the key agreements reached at this meeting were the following: No shift change will be demonstrated at the exercise. The ability o to maintain staffing in the LERO organization will be demonstrated' by rosters. No actual traffic direction will take place at the exercise;. traf fic o guides will be questioned by evaluators at TCP locations to determine 'j the level of performance, is acceptable to FEMA for the relocation center at the-Nassau o It County Coliseum to be activated somewhat out of sequence with the exercise scenario, provided that it is activ~ated-on the same day as the exercise, and in such a way that communications between the Coloseum and EOC can be demonstrated realistically. It is acceptable to FEMA for the medical drill to be performed out o of sequence with. the exercise scenario, provided that it takes place on the same day as the exercise. TEMA will accept a demonstration of either an ensite or an offsite injury. It is acceptable to FEMA that the Red Cross actually demonstrate its o capability at no more.than two locations. The objective which states that access control points must be demen-o strated, will be rewritten to refleet the fact that only traffic-guidance.is planned (as distinquished from control), provided that .LILCO explains this in a' letter to FEMA. LILCC will advise FEMA abcut t.ke level of participation by 'varicus o school distr ets. It was agreed at this meeting that LILCO will advise TEMA in writing-(arcund December 4, 1985) of suggested modifications te the exercise objectives, if any. 780579

i l E v.., i i.a 1 Page' (3) { III. EXERCISE SCENARIO REQUIRFRENTS J At the Novemb'er 25, 1985 meeting, FEMA provided LILCO with the specific instructions regarding.the exercise scenario j .. j g - : A. Proposed wind directions for periods of radioactive' material releases. I ~ 1st direction'- out'ofR700, toward vsw (4%) ( r. Radious Zones Affected.- assuming 3 sectors Population 0-2 miles -A,B small part of C 7,969 without C i i 11,415 with C 2-5 miles-A,B,F, G 37,326 5-10 miles F,G,K,L,R,Q 87,561 -2nd direction - out of 300,~toward ESE (12%) 0-2 miles A,C,D,E 11,519 2-5 miles C,D,E,1,J 10,913 i 5-10 I,J,0,P,S 12,975 B. Source Term'and Meteorological Conditions. FEMA requested that the exercise scenario produce the following: o total intergraded dose between 4.0 to 5.5 miles in 1st wind direction will exceed'140% of RAG (/1.4 Rem whole body or 7 0 I Rem thyroid). No constraints on dose in 2nd wind direction except it will'be o measurable in the 2-3 mile area. i A note of clarification is, required concerning the exercise d It is FEMA's stated objective ".... schedule as full;an ex) . uration' ng. Local Emergency Response Orcanization (LERO) plan as'is 'feasibl of the LILCO therefcre, the discussion of scenario duration and scenario requirements e....",. 'i should not be construed as limiting the level of. play on the'LERO' funct exercised. 4 intended as a guide, bassd on our previous experienceThe twelvj 1 nger exercise duration, FEMA could censider a great i s a-exercise scenar,io, ur .I i 780580

1 d. g._ -Page (4) Assistance Committee for review and comments by Decemb indicated that they will try to meet this date. LILCO j eg.. !V. ' PROPOSED MILESTCNE DATES FOR THE COMPLETION OF SCENARIO t DAYS PRIOR PROPOSED ACTIVITY TO DATE-EXERCISE 80 11/25/85 FEMA provides the utility with the proposed exercise objectives.. 80 11/25/85 Meeting with the utility to establish-the~ exercise scenario requirements. 71 12/4/85 Utility will advise FEMA in writing about suggested modification to the ' exercise objectives, if any. k i 69 12/6/85 Utility submits tte draft exercise scenario to FEMA and NRC Region for review. This-submission' vill include the on-site (radiological data) and off-site portions of the exercise scenario.- i 69 12/6/85 Proposed exercise objectives and q 1 utility ecc:=ents/ modifications are submitted to the Regional Assistance. Committee for review and comments. l 62 12/13/85 .Taking into. account, the' utility input and EAC com>ents,'FEP.A vill provide. the' utility with the revised' exercise i objectives. In additien,LFEMA provides LERO'with a last of' items to be ) demonstrated ' (e.g., number. of TCPs, 7 *o 0 5 81 evacuation ~ routes, etc.). i 3

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1,.. i ~ ~ 57 12/18/85 Utility submits the final exercise - q objectives to FEMA and'NRC Regional office. 55 12/20/85 RAC co'mments on the exercise scenario. are provided to the utility. .If-necessary, FEMA and NRC Region will' meet with the utility. representatives to discuss modifications necessary to i complete the scenario. i l 41 1/3/86 Utility submits the final' exercise J scenario which will include,'at a minimum:- l o a comprehensive' description of-all activities to be demonstrated,- consistent with exercise.objec-I tives; o a full schedule of a11' events at each classification'leve1~ (matrix): } 1 o' dosimetry values to be supplied to the field monitoring andLsa=pling teams by exercise controllers; ( 'a J o calculation of all offsite doses, including those that trigger pro-j tective responses, and' applicable meteorological data. i 38 1/6/86 Utility submits the starting locations and times of' field activities to be demonstrated in chronological order. The locations of all facilities and field activities will be'also indicated i on the county maps. 4 25 1/9/56 Final date for the approval of_the exercise scenario and field activities, m n e e. n n .J L'V V U C'

Page (6) l DAYS PRIOR PROPOSED ACTIVITY TO DATE r. EXERCISE. 4k' ~ 15 1/29/86 Table-top exercise. 0 2/13/86 EXERCISE DAY. 1 Although the FEMA Regional office will make every effort to rectify slips i in the timetable, i late submission of the acceptable exercise objectives and scenario material may lead to postponing the exercise. Since FEMA is already committed to evaluate a number of exercises in the first quarter of 1986, even a one week delay in suhnission of the exercise material, may require the postponement of the exercise for 30 days or more. If you have any questiens with regard to information centained in this letter, please centact me at your earliest convenience. Sincerely, s ye 3. <ah D Roger B. Kowieski, P.E. Chairman Regional Assistance Cocmittee { t i 1 i k 790583 i I i 1 i x

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' 9' ~ November 26,1985 '~ TO: R. Kowieski, FEMA Region !! FROM: E. Tanzman, ANL

SUBJECT:

Arreements Reached at November 25, 1985 Meeting with LILCO C Shoreham Exercise - Per your request yesterday afternoon, this memorandum collects and su my understanding of the commitments made by Cha yesterday at FEMA Region !! to plan for the proposed exerc the proposed scenario at the time of this meeting, I suggest that 'you. review Power Station. carefully to assure that I did not misunderstand the context in which various statem e were made (and, hence, the substance of the commitments). 1. COMMITMENTS BY LlLCO A. The scenario is to be kept strictly confidential as it evolves so that no exercis participants hnve access to it. The letter from John A. Weismantle, LILCO, on this subject (distributed at the meeting) is to be followed by November 25, 1985 another reflecting additional requirements suggested by Stuart Glem, Esq. 13,1905. ' LlLCO is to try to B. The exercise is to be no earlier thr.n Februcry arrange for that date; the only problem !s that the Nass LILCO will get back to you about this. C. The excretse will be of Rev!slon 5 of the LILCO Trans!!!on Plan; further re. visions to reflect the RAC review of Revi:!ca 5 will not be made, D. The exercise will take no more than one day, with the starting time no earlier . than 6:00 A.M. and the termination no later than 5:00 P.M. E. Excrcise participants will be told.no more than the date of the ' exercise. ( 780584

e55L [ 0 /.3 [: R. Eowleski 2 1 l f' F. The " Proposed Wind Directicas for Periods of Radioactive Material Release" which you submitted to L!LCO is acceptable and will be used e.s the buis for a scenario. A.s much of this as possible (perhaps the entire scenario) will be submitted by December ~ ff l9 8 5.- Stokes; Weiss, Amato, Keller, and you each are to receiv~e' h copy of that subrsission; those sent to NRC are to comply with legal requirements en'atiling them to be " tu:empt from filing in the Public Document Room (probably including malling in a double , envelope with " PROPRIETARY" stamped on the outside). G. No shift change w!U be demonstrated at the exercise. H. No actual traffle direction will take place at the exerciset traffic ruldes wl!1 be questioned by evaluators at their locations to determine the level of performance. 1. LILCO will provide assistance based on its knowledge and experience concerning how to assure that the exercise and its observation are In complete compliance with all applicable laws. In particular, this Is to include a list of traffic control points at which it could be illegal for an observer to pe.rk, ex!t his or her vehicle, and question a traffic guide positioned there. 1 J. LILCO will respond to your suggestion that it write each school district and request that it participate in the exercise. K. LILCO will permit Stokes and Weiss to attend the drill scheduled for December j 3-4, 1985, and w!!! permit you to attend future drills (e.g., the " dress rehearsal" in January 1986). !!. COMMITMENTS BY FEMA A. You will send LILCO a letter with a revised " time line," 1.e., milestone schedule leading up to the exercise.

3. You will send a formal letter with the preposed scenario parameters (i.e.. w!nd t.nd radiation) as presented informally at the meeting.

C. It is acceptable to FEMA for the relocation center at the Na::au Colosseum to be activated somewhat out of sync with the e:ercisa scenario, provided that it !: activated on the same day as the exercise and in such a way that communications with the Coloceum can be demonstrated real!stically. D. It is acceptable to FEMA for the medic'al drill to be performed out of sync with the excruise scenario, provided that it takes place on the same day as the exercise. I FEMA wlU accept a demonstration of either an onsite or an offsite injury. E. It is acceptable to FEMA that the Red Cross actually demonst' rats its , capability at no more than one or two locations. j 1 F. It is acceptacle to FEMA that the E3S station (s) not air exercise messages, provided that the exercise messages all are draf ted as planned and a test message is l ned. Tha objective on p.11 of the " Fro;osed Ererci:e Obbe*ives for tne 1935 1 Shereham Exercise" (dated November 6,1955), which states that the Emer;cncy News Canter must demonstrate its ability to draft EBS messages, will be rewritten to reflect {- the fact that EBS messag':s are drafted in the EOC, provided that LILCO explains this in ~80585 j a *etter to FEMA. 4 i

..?b,0lO 50 / ~ Y }7~ R. Kowiesid - 3 7 i f G. The objective on p. 4 of the " Proposed Exercise Objectives for.the 1986 j ( Shoreham Exercise (dated November 6,1985), which states that accer,s-centrol points fi ! dance is i . n)ust be demonstrated, wl!! be rewritten to reflect the fa , FEMA. ~ H. The objective on p. 4 of the " Proposed Exercise Objectives for the 1986 l

• Shoreham Exerc!:e (dated November 6,1985), which states that a demonstration mus

. made that the permanent population has received information about the plan, will not demonstrated, provided that LILCO gives a good reason why in a letter tc FEMA, an provided that the remainder of the public alerting system (sirens, EBS, and rout alerting) is demonstrated as planned. Although the exercise will demonstrate revision 5 of the plan, it is acceptab to FEMA for LILCO to clarify it at the observer tra!ning session which will precede th L exercise. ET/srs 1 APre.g REv ( E.w t,4 cc Ep tar 4 m ads M. E rn o, WS u 'K E TD Aoo TH tS PARAGMArR,* w og L.o D ( 5 C t.t S S E D 'TH E f'Ro P O S E.o E.XE A c ts E 0 8;fE CT Vf. d wtJt a o t-si es Ta Ens. .tno Ptf t i o Fo A s Ho n s.a A m 1 G E. S'T Arc. oA LOCA L FA'MTicJf'ATdd. ALL fiSf'Ecr5 of TH6 LE A0 PLAd ( RE% 5) w 1. t. 86 TESTE D, w t-T a 9 H 6 F,,,% c6 PTt o d OY SA G-ES Tl o rd PAT +3why AH p REcoV6ty AND R E - 6. N-r R Y, PA cK A c-e. F Ro m t uTILtTY rnufT S6 t rJ A6G tou AL oFF(ce 6y fo-osc, LtLCO S AI o ~TM EY M N( HAVE Tgou6L6. II4f'LEnsNT1hC.. O S76cT't v s.S (le'..fAc-E.~5 of l~: - C e7EcTt O S 3 S o rn E of f Ro Pos s o C E>:FE.c n U E.5* 7 TCHool D IS M t'55AL, m't,). ( 78058G

i I .y NOV 2 01585 Hr. Richard W. Krimm Assistant Associate Director f, - Federal Emergency Management Agency ' J I 500 C. Street,~S.W. \\ Washington, D. C. 20472 ,n.. Dear 4)ickr Thd upcoming exercise involving the'Shoreham Nuclear Power Station has differences. which will alter some of the normal communication paths necessary to plan for and'c~onduct such an exercise. We would expect that the manner of. communicating with LILCO regarding the onsite portion of the exercise would continue as described in the NRC/ FEMA Memorandum of Understand ng and GM-17. i The principal difference in the upcoming exercise is that the planning and-conduct will be performed by utility personnel instead of state and local-personnel. ~Therefore, we agree that FEMA may communicate directly with LILCO on matters related to planning and conduct of the LERO plan exercise. For coordination purposes we request that the NRC Regional I office be kept informed of these communications on a weekly basis. Sincerely, e Edward L. Jordan, Director Division of Emergency Preparedness and Engineering Response Office of Inspection and Enforcement cc: T. Martin, RI Distribution: DCS DEPER R/F JM"aylor RHkollmer. JGPartlow BKGrimes SASchwart: DBMatthews KEPerkins RLBaer ED y,e , y~ ObN'~ O t E'4D 113p/85:jr .. - ~.. W 8 %

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.e 1 Mr. Richard W. Krimm Assistant Associate Director Federal Emergency Management Agency l 500 C. Street, S.W. Washington, D. C. 20472

Dear Dick:

I The upcoming exercise involving the Shoreham Nuclear Power Station has differences which will alter some of the normal communication paths necessary to plan for and conduct such an exercise. ' We would expect that the 9anner of communicating 4 with LILCO regarding the onsite portion of the exercise would continue as. described in the NRC/ FEMA Memorandum of Understanding and GM-17. i As discussed with ;lobert Wilkerson of your staff, the pr-ncipal' difference in. the ' upcoming exercise is that the planning and' conduct of the.of fs.ite portion of the-exercise will be performed by utility personnel i$ stead of state and Therefore, we agree that-FEMA may commcnicate directly with local personnel. LILCO on matters related to planning and conduct of the f.ERO plan exercise. For coordination purposes we request that the NRC Regional I office be kept informed of these communications on a weekly basis. Sincerely, J 1 s:( \\ / i

• 1LM s cwar C Dordan, Director DivisiopfofEmergency! Preparedness-and Engineering Response OfficeofInspectionJndEnforcement I

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4 L k Federal Emergency Management Agency y(. Washington, D.C. 20472 . [ ~ d' k *- ~ hw 21 1985 MDORANDlM FOR: Roger B. Kowieski Chairman, Regional Assistance Ccx mittee FD4A Region II (New York) FR34: I Assistant Associate Director Office of Natural ard Technolcgical Eszards Prograus SUBJrTT: Authorization For Meetings With LIICO The attached nemorardum frcm the NJelear Regulatory Cczumission (NRC)' provides written authorization for you ard the senior controller for the Shoreham exercise ('Ibecdore Barry Associates) to pld neetirgs, as appropriate, with representatives of the Lorg Island Lighting Ccrapany l (LILCO), in preparation for an exercise of the LIICO offsite prepared-ness plan for Shoreham. This is written confirmation of the authoriza-tion which es provided to you orally by Edward L. Jordan of NRC's Office of Inspection ard Enforement, on November 19, 1985. If pu have any qmstions, please feel free to contact me at 646-2872 or Rcbert S. Wilkerson at 646-2859. Attachment l 1 / 790583 u

~ I Federal Emergency Ivianagement Agency ^ {g" Washington, D.C. 2002 \\ ~ a v mu - m2 4, m - MDCPAm ICR:' Edward L. Jordan Director, Division of Dr.ergoney Preparedress'and ENirneriq Resp:r.se R office of Ine;ection acd Enforconent. Nuclear Regulato ission

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SUBJECT:

Transmittal of Objectives For SMreham IXercise " mis is to transmit proposed objectives for an exercise of the Ierg Island Lightirg Ccmpany (LIICO) Transition Plan for offsite preparedness at the Shoreham Nuclear Power Station in Suffolk County, New York.. The objectives were generated by the Begional Assistance Com.ittee Chair =an in Federal D:ergency Management Agency (EW.A) Ib;; ion II. Marke:! by an asterisk, for your info: ration, are the objectiws which are related,.in our vies, to the legal auth:rity issue and State a:4 local. participation...Please transmit this information to the appropriate. LIIro representatives, 'in preparation for the first'meetirg with the utility on the exercise process. This is new scheduled'to take place on H:nfay, Neuee.ber 25, 1985. At the meetire, we plan to dicc.:ss the proposed { objectives, as a basis for the requir'ements for t.he exercise acenario. In order to provice core realism to the Shoreham exercise, w would like I to see a considerable ancunt of free play activities incitxiire the folicwirg : ' Activation of traf fic control points (TCP). Pederal evoluctors will previde the Exereir,o Controller inferi:stion on t ;) location of traf fic control points to be danenstrat:d drirq tns exercise. "ha Exercise Controller will then regasst the dcrrnstr.ttien of the TCP activation. 'I. pedi::ents to Dracuation. Podoral cvaluators will intrei:ce free play events to test p:coe<iura fer ths rc= oval cf i::;;di.-ents fren evacuatien rcutes. The d: mon:tration will incle.da tha actual dicpatch of an energency vehicle'to ths 502na, raport fren tha ecena to the ECC ::questirq apprcpriata ter:tirecs, D"C requestirq apporpriate resouress. (e.g., tew trucks, eseclins truda, etc.), esti.etiry ths ti:na cf arrival :t ths ::cenr ar.d for cice.rin;; tha i:::podi. ant. ECC staff will ba exp2cted to quickly analyc2 the-cite:ti:n arti select an alternato evacuation r:ato, if r:qair-d. In additien, an app.-epriate EB3 cesscge should ba icceed, to infe:m the public abcut the impedient (s), e t 79059C

.-q.q/4e7 . f. '. Y.... tm.. e j 2 i ' Bus Evacuation PcI.2tes. Pederal evaluato:s will indicen which bus ~^ routes are to be duenstrated durin; the er.oreita. Up:n notifica-J tion by LILCO's Iocci L%srgency Rasp 3nce crsinization (LERO), bus j drivers will assemble at th31r diepstch 1ccation, be assigned ,e appropriate routes, be briefed and deployed in accordance with .'~ the appropriate procedures. Upon ecrupletion cf the. routes at the transfer paints, the busos ard drivers will then proceed to reception centers. 7he bus' routes selected for defenstration on ths day of the exercise will inclu:!e school evacaation'rcutes. 1 Students will not be noved for purpsses of this daronstration. ' Evacuation of Non-Institutionalized Mobility-Igaired pecple. ' Federal evaluators will select several addresses of mobility-impaired persons within the 10-mile EP2. A. vehicle for the transportation of the handicapped will be dispatched to these addresses for simulated evacuation.. No handicapped evacuees will be picked up for purp:ses of this dem:nstration. j ' Evacuation of Institutionali:cd Mability-Igaired pecple. Federal evaluators will select 'at least one special facility i with mobility-impatrod persons within the 10-mile EP2 A vehicle . for the transportation of handicapped will be dispatched to this special facility. Ms handicapped evacuees will be noved for purposes of this demonstration.

• Baek-up Netification System. Federal evaluators wil1 introduce-i free play, simulatin; a limited failure of the siren system' It _ -

is expected that LIFO will dnonstrate' an effective use cd tM back-up notification system (e.g., route alerting).- K) would like to e phasize the necd to prwida us with starting locations crd ti:es of all field activities to be de=cnctrated, in chronological order. A scmple focn to rece:d this infor stien will bs provided. This is 1:rscrtant sinom FEMA will be evaluatin; ths exarcies against this tinn t:ble. The ' locations of all fiold activitics 'includin; an address directory (except free play) sbauld alco be indicated on cotnty nops, with an cppr:griate 1:gend. I hers that tha encicsod objectivos will ex,:cdito LI!OO's planning.offorts fer th2 anticipated exercise. It ch uld bs stressed to the utility that all cxercies oconario natorial =unt bs kopt centidsntial. If you h:va any :;uastions eencemin; this matorial, plants do not h:sitato to contact. a at 646-2872 or Robert S. Wilkarcen at SM-2B59 At t::cht.ent As Stated i 790591

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~- Mr. Samuel W. Speck Associate Director State and Local Programs and Support i Federal Emergency Management Agency l Washington, D.C. 20472 1

Dear Mr. Speck:

This responds to your letter of October 29, 1985, propeping two ept' ions for an exercise to test onsite and offsite emergency preparedness capabilities at. Shoreham. We conclude that an exercise should be conduc' ted consistent with the i approach outlined in your Option 2. You asked.in the letter for further clarification from,the NP.C as to the scope of the exercise to be conducted. As stated in our cemorandum to you of June 20, 1985, we requested that you schedule as, full an exercise of the LILCO Local Emergency Response Organization plan as is feasible. O' tion 2 would include all p functions and normal exercise objectives, recognizing that some offsite response. roles may be simulated. We believe that such an exerci'se wculd be'useful in the licensing precess for Shoreham.. Please let ce know if 'We can be of. further assistance. Sincerely. M k -] _ W11t u J. Dircks i dJacutive Direc*.or for Oper'ations t i i i i i I 1 i 790592 l

Mjk # ei r _~@rmtw, [ g Federal Emergency Management Agency egaj' Region II 26 Federal Plaza New York, New York 10278 ft 5 4M' ,.,r F5ccrandu:n For: Richard W. Kri:nn ~ Assistant Associate Director State & Iocal ams & Suppcrt oJW$ ' cv)/elkI Fran: fr B. Kowieski, Chairrran IL~gional Assistance Comittee

Subject:

Scheduling of REP D<crcise for Shoreham This is in response to a memrandu:n dated ibvember 1,1985, fr:xn Samuel W. Speck to Frank P. Petrone in which m a,_ Region II w h requested to develop the er.ercise objectives for'the following two (2) options: Ce. ion 1 - This eption would require that we set aside-all functions,and exercise objectives related to issues of authority and State and local p icipation.

Thus, only the functions outlined for LIIf0 would be exercised.

Option 2 - This option would include all functions and norral cxercice objectives. This option would exercise Pavision 5 of the LERO Plan. Eterciso centrollers would sfrulate the roles of kev state or local efficials unable or umrilling to participate. These t-d (2) options were presented to h7C en Octc&cr 29, 1985. In respense to Mr. Speck's request, we have develcped the exercise objectivos for hcth options. D<ercise cbjectives related to issues of authority and State and 1ccal p icipation are marked with an asterisk and nest be deleted wtteh option 1 is chosen (copy attacned). ~'he proposed objectives have been developed to generally.corres;cnd to the observable elements of NGSG-0654, m'A ru-1, Pav.1. In order f.o add ::cre realism to the Shcrehen exarcise, we wculd.like to sec. considerable free play of activities including (provided' option-2 is selected): Traffic Control Points (Us) Federal evaluators will provide the D<ercise Connoller inferraticn c= the locatien cf traffic cener:1 pcints to be demnstrated dur: Lng che crurse of the exercise. The D<ercise Ccncoller will then res:ect the derenstratien cf the ':CP activation. 790593

a,s < 4 t 2-I=cedinents to Evacuatirri 4, n - o ~ Feieral eve.luators will introdu free play events to test procedures for receval of #dnents frcm evacuatien routes. The demonstraticn " will include the actual dispatch of an ernergency vehicle to the scene, .. report from the scene to the KC requesting a;propriate res urces, KC requesting appropriate resources, (e.g. tcw truck, gasoline trucks, etc.) estirating the tine of arrival at the scene and for clearing the impedinent. ECC staff will be e.rpected to quickly analyze the situaticn and select an alternate evacuation route, if required. In addition, an appropriate EBS rnessage should be issued to infcrm the population about the impedirent (s). Bus Evacuation Routes Federal evaluators will indicate which bus routes are to be ckronstratM during the exercise. Upon notification by IEPO, the bus drivers will assemble at their dispatch location, he assigned appropriate routes, briefed aM deployed in accordance with the a;.gw iate procedures. r Upon ecmpletien of the routes at the transfer points, the buses and , drivers will then proceed to reception centers. 'Ibe bus routes selected for denenstration on the day of the exercise will include school evacuation routes. Students will rot he mwed for purposes of this denmstration. Evacuation of !bn-Instituticnalized Mcbility-Impaired Federal evaluatcrs will select severa'., addresses of nchility-impaired persons within 10-rile EPZ. A vehicle fer the tra.sportatica. cf the handica W will be dispatched to these addresses for simulated evacuation. 16 handica~ed evacuees will be picked up for purposes of this den:.nration. Evacuation of L.stituticnalized M i,lity-Impaired F~'- al evaluators will select at least ene specdal facility with m:bility-inTM ed perscns within 10-rile EPZ. A vehicle fer the tra sportaticn of the handicapW will be dispatched to this special facility. !b handicapped evacuees will be picked up for purposes of this dencastration. f 790594 s

e c.Y r" & NOV.01 '95 f5:56 F"Em WGH FID CTR 3 P.22 r\\ ~ Federal Emergency Managementytgency 3 Washington, D.C. 20+72 NOV M985 HDCPMDO! POR: Frank Petrene Regional Director FEA Region II FPCH: Sa p JL ci t 1 .or S 1 Progra:ns a, p SUanI:T: Sch ing of Dmrgency Plan Exorcise For Shoreham Yeo have, of course, receivM a ecpy of my October Mr. William Dircks of the NBC. 29, 1985, letter to NRC's decision on the Shorehra exercise cotions is still uncertain. In addition to the two c letter, NRC could c.%ese to have no exercise' at all. ptions stated in the we are crrre::itted to contiruing cur airinistrative peceess until As ycu can also see, November 15, 1985. of exercise c6jectives for toth cf the cptions in the OctoberThes revie.r of the exercise a:enario. letter to Mr. Dircks, and the norral 29, 1985 Durirq the staf f discussions on-october 24 in your effice, the res ur 1::plications of the preliminary work were cutlined at len;th. ee nesis identified were: The L Miste assistar.t to the Regional Assistance Com:ittee (PAC) Clairc exclusively with Shoreh.rn requi:wnants; ard '2) contirued clerical s Haa%arters staff have already discussed the assistant for the PAC C with Argonne; that res::urce is available on reqmst frcn the Argonne a r:an Office in Garden City. the RAC reviev process. A:gorje is already providing additional suppcet to The State a.nd Local Pregra :s Sup;crt (SLPS) Directorate is also engressively pursuirc the execptica to allcw ycu to fill the existing clerical vacancy in REP.

oet the clerical requirenent for this exercise, Argenne has been alerted to prcvide the necessa:y support.

I wculd ho exerciso co;>e that every effort wid be m::de to supply LII.CO and the Mcve=ber 9,1985 and hwe on hard the grcpeced scena fer t:cth c9 tiers on November 15. a erials - / -( As a final n te, the office of the Actirs Di. rector has waived the rtq i to give 10 days retice before askire :te Regional offices to initiat u.rertent This was dona to facilitate the p:ccess of w rking on this i: pata e wc=k. nt site. 7905

y h'OCT.29'9521:25 FD% F.A FED CTR' 3 - U y m a Federal Ernergency Managernent Agency hd# Washington, D.C. 20H2 Oc t o be r 29, fi8'$ Mr. Willim J. Dircks ' Executive Director for operations 17.S. Nuclear Pagulatory Ccmnission Washington, D.C. 20555 i Dear Mr. Dircks his is in' response to a menerandum dated June 20,1985, frczn I Edvard L. Jordan.to Richard W. Krinrn in Wich FDm was' requested to pro.- ceed with the centet cf "as full an exercise......as is feasibla to test offsite preparedness capabilities at the shoreham Ntclear Power Plant."- In ny October 8,1985 letter,which transmitted the review of. revision 5 cf the LII4D local Emergency Response-Organization (LERO) plan, I indicated we were analyzirg the results d the plan review in the centext of the Septenber.17, 1985 letter fecm Chairnan Palladino to Corgressman Markey, and the varicus legal proceedirgs related to Shorehan in ceder to respond to the June 20 merwandum within several weeks. Our aralysis _ includes consideration cf the Atcmic Safety and Licensing Appeal Board decision cf October 18, 1985. f he deficiencies identified in W 1etter cf October 8 do not greclude the j conduct of an exercise of the 12R0 plan. Mcwever, the reluctance of ccunty and State cf ficials to participate in steh an exercise aM the- ] related legal authority issues would place speial paranstars on the centet of a LE10 exercise. We have no iMication at this time that cffaite jurisdicticos are willirg to directly participate in an exerciso in the shcrt tam. mus, any exercise will be crreatically different than is typics.1 at other sites in the State of Now York. Any exercise without participation by Stata and local gavsrmants would not allcw us sufficient dononstration to read a findire of reasonable assurance. Mis conclusion is beood on the ate:ent legal d3 cision with respect to utility authority. to perfom civil.energency functions. Ecwever, that 6:es not precluso the conduct of an exercise that w::uld provide an indication to the Nuclear Reg.ilatory. Cems::ission (!GC) -{ as to utility cc: site and effsita anurg2ncy capabilities. Wa holieve such a etport would have value in decisions to contime the licensing procces or p::=albly provide a besis on which the NRC could ::ake' predictive _ f irdirgs. Cbvicualy, the value of su:h an exercise in the licensito 1 j peccess 'is a detamination whi& can only be rede' by the NRC. 1 Given the nat:=e of yeer June 20 request.ard censideration cf a practical ctructura for an exercice, wa feel that, while there are a ntrd:er of-variations possible, tha basic cptions for exercisirq 'in the rear tem ? ars li::ited to tver l cetten 1 - wis eption would rwuire that we d ies an 79059G l 4 f unctier.s and exercine objectives - related to ' issues: of authority and State and local participation. Bus, only the functions cutlined for LILCO wculd be exercised.-. Such ]

' Q,.ccT.29 >es 21:2s rtm uss RED CTR 3 P,04 i 2- ~ an exercise is' pessible but its usefulness would saarn very limited. An exercise of this type would not address .; a -- _ questions sud as th:se raised on pages 35 through 39 of the October 18 decision cf the Atcmic Safety and Licenairn. Appeal Board and wculd be redundant to actions already takan by NRC. Optien 2 'Ihis cption would include all functions and retmal exercise objectives. This cption would exercise Revision 5 of the Lgao Plan. Exereise controllers w:uld simulate the roles of key state or local officials tnable or unwilling to participate. It would be desirable that State and local government personnel actually play. - However, sud a sim.t-lation nechanis:a w:uld at least test the utility's abilit/ - 1 to res; cod to ad lyac participation on the part of State ard local goverments. 'Ite ultimate p.zepose cf an exercise is to' support a findirg by FINA for use by the NRC in their licensing pcocess. As we nontioned above, neither .of these eptions would allcw a findirn by FDtA on of fsite preparedness. However, we recognize that SMeeham is in no way typical ard that in the past'in exercisirg its adjudicatory gasers the Cerm:ission aM the-varicas Atcznic Safety and Licenairy Beards have readed predictive. findings.. Pursuant to your June 20 request, we are initiatirc the process necessary to conduct an exercise of either cption. W are pcwpared to conduct such an exercise in approximately *15 days. Scwver, FD4A requiras'further clarification frcm NRC as ' to the secpe of the exercise to be conducted. PDr.A will proceed with the initiatire steps 'until November 15, at whid. ti:na we vill need a 6efinitive exercise scope frem NRC in order to avoid pr&ibitive c:;sts. If at that tine we have received re direction frcrt the Nuclear Requiatory Ccrrission we will suspend activities until a decision is made. Given other cheands, we do feel that any delay bgend the current wirdcw would require an exercise Ecstponc:ent of at least 90 days beyerd t.he mid-can.ra:y time frams. Sinosesly, W* n.n 'cociate Director State and I.ccal Prcqrem and Sup;crt 790597

xinireti71/wm~w- ' s CR.i Federal Emergency Management Agency i i Region 11 26 Federal Plazs New York, New York 10278 9, - .., s Memorandum For: Charles Amato, NRC 6 Herbert Fish, DOE Paul A. Giardina, EPA Ronald E. Bernacki, FDA Paul Lut::, D7f George E. Bickerton, USDA Joseph H. Keller, INEL T E. Baldwin of4V 3. td/'GJ g a Frcm: Roger B. Fowieski Chairman Regional Assistance Ccnmittee

Subject:

h e;osed Exercise Objectives for Shoreham As referenced in cm/ menber 4th menorandum to you, enclosed find I the proposed Exercise Objectives for Shoreham with the utility comrrents. Please review the doceents end subnit your findings to ne by December 11, 1985. If I do not receive your cc:ments by that date, I will assme that you concur with the proposed objectives. Thank you for your continued cooperation in reviewing Shoreham material. Encl. cc: Edward Tan man William Stokes 731964

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] l t Direct Dial Number i December 5,1985 Federal Emergency Management Agency Region II i 26 Federal Plaza j New York, New York 10278 j i ATTEi1 TION: Mr. Roger Kowieski

SUBJECT:

um Nuclear Power Station . a. ! Emergency Management Agency-Proposed Exercise Objectives for tne 1986 Shoreham Exercise l

REFERENCE:

LILCO/ FEMA Meeting on November 25, 1985 / Gentlemen: Pursuant to the referenced meeting, we have ' enclosed your Proposed Exercise Objectives for the 1986 Shoreham Exercise, witn our comments footnoted at the bottom of eacn page. Where additional space'was needed, separate pages were inserted between pages of toe doc ument. These separate pages are not numbered. Witnin tne proposed objectives and our subsequent comments, there are a number of items which I would like to bring to your attention. First, is the subject of Access Control [Ref: pg. 3 of 12,.fn. (1); pg. j I 4 of 12, fn, (2); pg. 5 of 12, fn. (1)]. Here, I would like to point out tnat LER0 treats access control to evacuated areas as a subset of traffic control. - Access control is provided at. traffic control points located on ) zone. boundaries by Traffic Guides performing their traffic control duties. It should be noted that the same constraints on traffic control, related to the issue of legal authority, apply to access. control, i Second, security functions at LER0 emergency facilities.are provided by LERO personnel and are tnerefore, not related to legal authority. Third, on page 6 of 12, we have deleted the.last two objectives which are related to tne demonstration. of einergency medical facilities for the handling of injured and contaminated ' individuals. These' objectives are being deleted because tne volunteer ambulance company and hospital have expressed a preference for a weekend drill. 73196.1 l a i i

l Federal Emergency Management Agency ' Region 11 December 5,1985 Page Two-l i As,.an alternative, we would like-to suggest that FEMA attend. the.next scheduled Emergency Medical Drill, and that these objectives be evaluated out-of sequence with the Graded Exercise. j J I.think that you will find the remainder of our coments to-be self expl anatory. If I can be of further assistance or should you~ have any questions concerning the exercise, please do not hesitate to contact me at (516) 420-6211. Very truly yours, M (' - Q /Jy s - - Charles A. Daverio Manager, Emergency Preparedness Division CAD /DMB/cjc I l I 0 1 73190a

t PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES for th e l 1986 SHOREHAM EXERCISE November 6, 1985 731067

a vumw,rumpz, 4 ,~ + {Novembar:6,'1985 PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES?FOR-o a THE 1986 SHOREHAM EXERCISE-e q Emergency Operations Center..(EOC) S Demonstrate the ability to receive.. initial and-follow-up emergency notifications. Demonstrate the' ability to mobilize staff andiactivate the Local Emergency Response-' Organization L(LERO) EOClin. a timely manner.- Demonstrate through ros ters, the ability ~to mainta'in? staffing in the LERO.EOC on-a<24-hour basis. Demonstrate that the LERO EOC has adequate. space,- equipment, and supplies to support" emergency operations. Demonstrate that the LERO can establish 2 appropriate communication l i n k s., both primary and backup systems ( communication with the' State and county (via: RECS to be ' simulated). [ Demonstrate that the LERO..EOC'has adequate access. control and that security can be maintai'ned. g Demonstrate that messages'are. transmitted in.an. J accurate and timely' manner, messages ar e.' properly 1 logged, that status boa rds' areiaccarately appropriate briefings are. maintained i and updated, that held,.and. that incoming personnel are briefed.

e Demonstrate that the appropriate of ficial;'is ' in' che.c ge and in c~ontrol of an. overall coordinated res'ponse including decisions on. protective action; recommendations.

(1) Insert objective. ' Note: Exercise objective related'.to issue.of,' legal autherity an d. -S ta t e. and ; local. participation L. This ' l objective to be set aside when Option: 1-'isiselected for exercising of the LERO plan ( see. Mr. Speck 's - letter to Mr. Dirks of NRC dated October' 29,1985 ).. (1) Insert the following objective: Demonstrate the ability to coordinate the emergency. response'with.simu-lated county or State officials ~ should they 'decidc to perticipte;on an ad-hoc basis. (Role of State and/or. county official. to be simulated' by FEMA designated personnel.). ~ i 73196& R o

Novembar 6, 1985 PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES FOR THE 1986 SHOREHAM EXERCISE Emergency Operations Center - Continued (1) Demonstrate the ability of the designated official to determine the need for and ability to obtain State assistance. Demonstrate the ability to communicate with all appropriate locations, organizations, and field personnel. Demonstrate the ability to receive and interpret . radiation dosage projection information, and to determine appropriate protective measures, based on PAGs and inf ormation received from the Brookhaven F 'ea Office (BAO). Demons trate the ability to provide advance coordination of public alerting and instructional messages with the State and county (State and county participation simulated). (2) Demonstrate the aoility to activate the prompt notification siren sys tem in coordination with State and county (State and county participation simulated). (E) Demonstrate the capability for providing both an alert signal and an informational or instructional message to the popula tion on an area wide basis throughout the 10 ~ ile EP Z, within 15 minutes. m Demonstrate the organi zational ability to manage an orderly evacuation of all or part of the 10-mile EP Z.

• Note:

Exercise o b jective related to issue of legal authority and S ta te and local participation. This objective to be set aside when Option 1 is selected for exercising of the LERO plan ( see Mr. Speck 's letter to Mr. Dirks of NRC dated October 29, 1985). (1) This objective will be satisfied via discussions between the Direc-tor of Local Response and FEMA Evaluator concerning the need and procedures for requesting assistance from the State of New York or other appropriate organization. 7318C3

r . "^ ~ t i 1 (2);1Thesiren.systemwilibeactivatedin; coordination:withthe-j . simulated issuance.of-'an. EBS.' message,. Local radio ' stations ~ -will. broadcast an explanation of'.the. siren test with'no: il . reference.to protective-' action recommendations. q .The actual. demonstration of, thisiobjective is still being l cons _idered.- ) ') 1

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'ifage?3 of 12 r I: November'6r. 1985' PROPOSED EXERCISE-OBJECTIVES FOR THE 1986 SHOREHAM EXERCISE Emergency Operations Center - Continued, Demonstrate the organi za tional ability. to deal with impediments-to evacuation, such as incle' ment weather or'. traffic obstructions. Demons trate the organizational ability necessary' to-effect an.early dismissal of schools within the 10-mile EP Z. - (1)

• Demonstrate the organizational ability necessary to k

control access ~to an evacuated area. ~ (2)

• Demon s tra te the organi za tional'- ability necessary to-eff.ect an orderly evacuation. of schools-_within the 10-mile EPZ.

I f.this. protective action is not recommended by the decision-makers, e.g. schools were dismis sed early, a free play controllers message may be inserted to demonstrate.this activity.

• Note:

Exercise objective related to issue of legal authority and S ta te and local participation. This objective to be set aside when> Option 1 is selected for exercising of the LERO plan (see Mr. Speck's letter to Mr. Dirks of NRC dated October - 29, 1985). (1) LERO Traffic Guides will control access to evacuated areas.in accordance with OPIP 3.6.3. Traffic Guides can only advise people not to enter the area. (2) Schools will be notified during the exercise via tone alert radios and simulated phone calls from the Public and Private Schools Coordinators as set forth in tne OPIPs. As we discussed at our meeting, it_is not expected that any school district will part1-cipate in an exercise.except the Shoreham/ Wading School District. The activation of the tone alert radios is 'still' being reviewed. 731973

t a Pcga 4 of 12 i i November'6, 1985 i PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES FOR~ THE 1986 SHOREEAM EXERCISE Field' Activities e Demonstrate..the ability to con tinuously ' monitor. and j control of person. emergency worker exposure including proper use nel dosimetry. A D'emonstrate the ability to. mobilize and' deploy field - 8' monitoring teams in a timely manner. ,1 L. . Demonstrate appropriate ' equipment and procedures for determining ambient radiation levels. j 2 Demonstrate appropriate equipment and procedures for I measurement of ' airborne radiciodine concentrations as- ',8 low as 0.1 picoeurries/cc in the presence of noble gases. ) Demonstrate the ability to provide backup public alerting, if necessary, in the event of partial siren system failure. ] r Demonstrate that the permanent. population has received L inf ormation on how they will be notified and what their-actions should be in the event of a radiological emergency and that this information is updated on an annual basis. 1 Demonstrate that information on emergency actions has been provided to transient populations. ( 1)

• Demonstrate that access control points can be i

established in a timely manner. - t Demonstrate the ability to supply and administer KI, .f once the decision has been made to do so. P

• Note:

Exercise 'o b jective relate'd to issue of legal authority and S ta t e and local participation. This objective to be set aside when'Gption l'is selected for exercising of the LERO pla n (see Mr. Speck's letter to Mr. Dirks of NRC dated October 29, 1985). (1 ) Access control points are Traffic Control f oints manned oy Traffic Guides, along sector boundaries. 731972

t Pnga 5 of 12 November 6, 1985 PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES FOR THE 1986 SHOREBAM EXERCISE Field Activities - Continued Demonstrate that emergency workers understand who can authorize excess exposure under the Protective Action Guidelines. sa'mple of resources necessary to Demonstrate a implement an orderly evacuation of all or part of the 10-mile EPZ. Demonstrate a sample of resources necessary to deal with impediments to evacuation, such as inclement weather or traffic obstructions. (1)

• Demonstrate a sample of resourges necessary to control access to an evacuated area.

Demonstrate the adequacy of evacuation bus transfer points including access and parking / transfer areas. Demonstrate a sample of resources necessary to ef fect an orderly evacuation of the institutionalized mobility-impaired individuals within the 10-mile EPZ. Demonstrate a sample of resources necessary to effect an orderly evacuation of the n o n-in s titutionali zed mobility-impaired individuals within the 10-mile EPZ. " Note: Exercise objective related to issue of legal authority and S ta te and local participation. This objective to be set aside when Option 1 is selected for exercising of the LERO plan ( see Mr. Speck 's letter to Mr. Dirks of NRC dated October 29, 1985). (1) These resources are the same as. those required for traffic I control [Ref. page 3 of 12, footnote (1)]. 4 731973 l 1 1 i

m 1 November 6, 1985-PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES FOR T!1E 1986 SHOREFJdi EXERCISE Field Activities - Continued (1) &cacnst.retc ; s a m p l e crf----r e s o m m e u e c m o s e y L of fod ar : rly dismic :1 cf chocis within t.he 10 ml EF I. (1) Demonstrate a sample'of resources necessary to effect .an orderly evacuation of schools within the 10-mile EPZ. (2) Demonstrate the ability to mobilize staff and activate Reception Center in a timely manner. (2)(3) Demons tra te the ability to mobilize staff and activate Congregate Care Center in a timely manner. Demonstrate by shift change or through rosters, the ability to maintain staffing at the Reception-Center on a 24-hour basis. Demonstrate by shift change or through roster, the ability to maintain Staffing at the Congregate Care Center on a 24-hour basis. Demonstrate the adequacy of procedures for registration, radiological monitoring, and decontamination of evacuees and vehicles including adequate provisions for handling contaminated waste. Demons trate the adequacy of facilities for mass care of evacuees. O :cr,tr::: $ d c :; u _ c f fec amt;1:ncc f.: _ li t i : cad -p r o c e d u r e : for 52ndling injured and cata;;ne;el ind;" du:le. 'Medi : 1 d: 111 inc;1.;; an ca sitm/ cf f r i te--i n j u r' '. 0 :n:n c t re tc cd qu y of hcop;; 1 f::ilitic: and pr:redure: for 5:ndi t.; injured :nd ccn:_r.2na:ed ' wi4 c i d u : 1 'Med;cci drill incalc;; :n :n' cit;/ e cff ;it; injury 1. (1) In accordance with procedures, only one of these options can be implemented. Should decisirn makers decide to recommend early dismissal, it will be up to centrollers to exercise a contingency message to prevent early dismissal of schools which would lead to a demonstration of evacua-tion resources. 731974

(2) May need to be demonstrated out of time sequence, depending i on availability of facilities. J i (3) The congregate care function is provided by the Nassau j County Red Cross. I s 4 ) 1 t i t 9 731875

Page'7'of 12 ] November 6, 1985 PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES FOR j THE 1986 SHOREEAM EXERCISE I I (1) Brookhaven Area Office (BAO) J t Demonstrate the ability to receive initial and follow f up emergency notifications. l Demonstrate the ability to mobilize staff and activate the BAO in a timely manner. Demonstrate through ros ters, the ability to maintain staffing in the BAO on a 24-hour basis. 1 Demonstrate that 'the BAO has adequate space, equipment, and supplies to support emergency operations. Demonstrate that the BAO can establish appropriate communication links, using both primary and backup systems. j l Demonstrate that the BAO has adequate access control j and that security can be maintained. j i Demonstrate that messages are transmitted in an i accurate and timely manner, messages are properly logged, that status boards are accurately maintained and updated, that appropriate briefings are held, and that incoming personnel are briefed. Demonstrate that the appropriate official is in charge and in control of an overall accident assessment function. Demonstrate the ability to communicate with all appropriate locations, organizations, and field personnel. Demonstrate the ability to project radiation dosage to the public via plume exposure, based on plant data and field measurements, and to d6termine appropriate protective measures', based on PAGs and effectively communicate them to the LERO EOC. (1) These objectives have not been reviewed by the Brookhaven Area Office. 731978

a November 6,-'1985 PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES FOR THE=1986'SHOREEAM! EXERCISE Staging Areas Demonstrate the ability to receive emergency notifications. . Demons tra t e. the. ability to: mobilize. staf f and1 activate the staging areas.in a timely: manner. Demonstrate.through ros ters,. the ability 'to' maintain staffing at the staging areas.on a 24-hour. basis. .D emo n s t' rate that the staging areas have' adequate space, parking area, equipment, and supplies'tolsuppprt emergency operations. Demonstrate that the staging a r' e a s 7 ea n-es tab 1'i s h appropriate communication links with the LERO EOC and _ field personnel using both primary and backup; systems. [ Demons trate that the staging areas have adequate access control and.that security'can 'ce' maintained. Demonstrate that messages a'r e transmitited in. an' accurate'ana timely manner, messages are properly logged, that status' boards are accurately maintained and updated,.that appropriate. briefings are' held, and that incoming personnel are briefed. Demonstrate that the appropriate official is in charge and in control of an overall response assigned to'the staging area. Demonstrate the ability to dispatch to and - direct emergency workers in the field.

• Note:

Exercise objective related to i s s u e~ : o f legal authority and S ta te. and local participation'..This-objective to be set aside when Option;l is ~ selected for exercising of.the LERO plan (see Mr. Speck's letter to Mr. Dirks of NRC dated October 29,_1985). 731977

.g ( November 6,:1985-l 1 PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES.FOR i THE_1986 SHOREHAM EXERCISE', j Staging Areas - -Continued Demonstrate the. ability to communicate-.with all a pp r o p r.i ate.loca tions,.organi zations,: and field j personnel. j 1 1 1 i i ) i i '0 t f i 731978- ) I

m November. 6',.19 8 5' PROPOSED-EXERCISE OBJECTIVES FOR THE'1966 SHOREHAM~ EXERCISE Emergency' Workers Decontamination; Facility Demonstrate the ability to. mobilize staff and activatei Emergency Worker Decontamination. Facility.. Demonserate;by shift change _or through rosters, thei .;bility to-maintain' staffing'of. Emergency. Worker Decontamination. Facility on a'24-hourLbasis'. f Demonstrate adequate' equipment and. procedures 'for T decontamination of. eme rg ency workers,- equipment and - vehicles _ including adequate - provisions for - handling - contaminated waste. 4 j l i 0 731979 u

November'6, 1985 PROPOSED EXERCISE OBJECTIVES FOR THE 1986 SHOREHAM EXERCISE i Emergency News Center (ENC) i 9 Demonstrate the ability to mobilize staff and activate LERO functions at the ENC in'a timely manner. Demonstrate through shif t change or through rosters, the ability to maintain staffing of LERO functions' at the ENC on a 24-hour basis, i Demonstrate the ability to brief the media in a clear accurate, and timely manner. J Demonstrate the ability to share information with other agencies at the ENC prior to its-release. Demonstrate the ability.to es,tablish'and operate rumor control in a coordinated manner. (1)

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Exercise objective related to issue of legal authority and Sta te and local participation. This objective to be set aside when Option 1 is selected for exercising of the LERO plan (see Mr.' Speck's letter to Mr. Dirks of NRC' dated October 29, 1985). (1) ESS messages are prepared and communicated from the E0C only; by LERO procedures. i e 731Crn

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-Emergency Operations _.Facil'ity'(EOF)., ) { (1) Demons trate the : ability to mobilize ~ staff and: activate J W functions at'the EOF..in a timely' manner. Lago (1)' Demonstrate by.' shift change or through rosters, Jthe ability to main ta'in staf fing.of. LERO functions? in the EOF-on a 24-hour basis. ] Demons tra te that 1the Emergency Operations Facility has adequate-sp' ace, equipme n t, a nd:- suppliesL-to support emergency! operations.- ) nemenstrate that the Emergency Operations Facilities adequate access control and that security can ~be maintained. i -i ' Note: Exercise objective related to issue of legal i authority and S ta te and local participation. This~ objective to be set aside when Option 1 is selected for exercising of the LE RO : pla n ( see' Mr. Speck 's letter to Mr. Dirks of NRC dated October 29,.1985). (1) The LERO plan does not include dispatching a. person to the EOF. 4 h 7.31981 ..}}