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50-443 OL 50-444 OL ONSIE NRCMCY MMIM PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY OF A
ECHNICAL ISSUES NEW HAMPSHIRE, et al.
(Seabrook station, Units 1 and 2)
LIMITED APPEARANCES SESSION O
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14 15 The Limited Appearance Session convened, pursuant 16 to notice, at 7:17 p.m.
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ROGER EASTON 521 4
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COSTELLO 524 5
LAURENCE R. ALEXANDER 528 PAUL McEACHERN 533 6
GUY CHICHESTER 536 7
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EDNAPEARL PARR 547 10 BOB WALSH 549 11 ROBERTA PEVEAR 551 12 THOMAS MOUGHAN 554 e'
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JUDGE WOLFE:
All right.
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session is now open.
Please be seated.
We will now begin.
5 I have been requested-that certain representatives, 6
state and county and town representatives, be allowed to 7
speak first.
If there are no objections, why, I will proceed 8
to call them to make their limited appearances.
9 Any objections?
10 (No response.)
11 JUDGE WOLFE:
As you all know, tne limited oral 12 statements are to be five minutes in length.
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13 give you a minute's warning before your five minutes are up.
14 All right.
I will start calling off the names.
15 New Hampshire Representative Roger L. Easton.
16 (Applause.)
indexx 17 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 18 OF 19 ROGER EASTON 20 MR. EASTON:
Good evening.
My name is Roger 21 Easton.
I'm a registered professional engineer, licensed 22 to practice in the District of Columbia --
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24 MR. EASTON:
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the District of Columbia.
3 Since moving to New Hampshire, I've tried to have 4
PUC and the New Hampshire Supreme Court take a rational, 5
scientific view of Seabrook.
I failed in both cases, and I have no reason to believe that I won't fail with you people 7
but I'm going to give it a try.
We live in a public relations world.
Public re-9 lations designs the future to what it wants the future to be.
And, that's the problem.
And, that was the problem with three g
disasters, the Titanic, the Challenger, and Seabrook.
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Th common thread is that they were asked to perform; tasks for PR that was unrelated to their technology.
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Titanic was out for a speed record.
The Challenger was to be 15 launched in time for a State of the Union speech.
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was to provide energy for a limitless demand.
Let me show you some of the PR that has been done g
for Seabrook.
Four powerful reasons for Seabrook, your heat, g
light, food, jobs depend on electrical power.
There are just 20 not enough power plants today to avoid possible shutdowns, g
brown-outs, even black-outs.
So, you need Seabrook.
g Here is a later one, this year.
A time of un-I precedented growth underlying the need for Seabrook Station.
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running out of power but we need Seabrook.
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Now, on May 15th, 1978 Public Service put out this 3
ad:
Latest opinion poll shows Seabrook favored by three to 4
one.
5 I say if you live by public relations, you should 6
be willing to die by them.
7 (Applause.)
8 MR. EASTON:
The latest poll shows Seabrook is 9
opposed by two and a half to one.
So, therefore, we should 10 get it stopped.
11 But, if you want some facts, here are the facts.
12 Here is what Public Service says would happen if the demand i
13 would go up tremendously.
Here is what actually happened.
14 Almost no growth.
About a two percent per year growth over 15 this time period.
16 Here is what Public Service's figures show will 17 happen to the. demand if Seabrook goes on line.
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18 the demand with Seabrook; the demand without Seabrook.
- And, 19 this is what they will have for power with only 300 megawatts 20 of small power production.
21 So, you can see there is a big difference between-22 what they will have for power and what they will need, about 23 1500 megawatts surplus power if Seabrook goes on line.
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The pink is Concord Electric.
And the light blue is Exeter 3
and Hampton.
These two have gone off Public Service as of 4
today or tomorrow.
5 So, you can see already Public Service is losing 6
its customers.
This is just in anticipation of the big rate 7
increases.
8 JUDGE WOLFE:
One minute.
9 MR. EASTON:
So, I say that Seabrook is not needed.
10 And, I think it would be a mistake to have the five percent i
11 test started, because even though they are only equivalent I
12 to 15 nuclear bombs that's a lot of radiation lthat would be 13 in the plant.
I see no need of it.
14 So, let's stop living in the public relations 15 world and stay down in the real world.
16 Thank you.
17 (Applause.)
18 JUDGE WOLFE:
Massachusetts State Senator Nick 19 Costello.
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21 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 22 OF i
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Thank you, Judge Wolfe.
For the
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I represent the 3rd
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Essex District.
I am also Co-Chairman of the Legislative l
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I'm glad that you have agreed to allow public 4
comment in this hearing.
As you have heard, you have 5
probably heard, testimony on hundreds of pro'alems with the 6
emergency response plan and reactor safety systems.
Whistle-7 blowers are finally coming forward to attest to the poor 8
quality of construction of an important safety systems that 9
feature precludes the safe operation of the inherently 10 dangerous facility.
11 It would be irresponsible to allow low power 12 testing at Seabrook before all of these allegations are h\\
13 heard and resolved.
I urge you not to issue a temporary 14 operating license for low power testing for many other reasons.
15 Governor Dukakis' decision to join the Attorney 16 General of Massachusetts in fighting the licensing of the 17 reactor before the NRC and the federal courts guarantee that 18 the plant will not start up for at least one year.
Because 19 low power testing takes only a few months, there is simply 20 no justification for starting low power testing now.
21 Low Power testing would irradiate the fuel, reactor i
22 core and some of the supporting systems as well.
According 23 to a former General Electric's nuclear engineer, Dale I
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reactor does not open.
Low power testing also results in i
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In addition, low power testing creates high level 4
radioactive waste.
This waste would have to be stored on site i
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until the federal government creates a federal high level 6
disposal facility.
That means Seabrook would become a high 7
level radioactive waste dump for at least 15 to 20 years.
8 As you know, there is now a serious question about 9
whether or not there will be a second high level radioactive 10 waste dump in the east after all.
Although the Department 11 of Energy stopped its search for the time being, the federal 12 legislation mandating an eastern and western waste dump has 13 not been changed.
And, there has been no effort to amend 14 that law.
15 Many believe that after the election this fall, 16 DOE will reopen consideration of waste dump sites in the east, i
17 including here and in New Hampshire.
la The production of high level waste at Seabrook 19 increases the likelihood that New Hampshire will be picked 20 for one of the permanent radioactive waste dumps.
Further 21 more, low testing would greatly increase the cost of convert-l 22 ing the Seabrook plant to a natural gas powered facility.
23 There are plants in conversion now.
In Midland, 24 the Midland reactor in Michigan is being converted to natural
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And the "immer reactor in Ohio to coal.
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substantial additional radiation exposure covering the plant.
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The Chernobyl accident happened during low power 5
testing at just about six to seven percent full power.
6 Although these reactors are different, one common cause for 7
hundreds of reactor accidents, including Chernobyl and Three 8
Mile Island, is human error.
There is no time during the 9
operation of a reactor when the operators are less experienced '
10 and more likely to make an error than in low power testing.
II There are many other reasons why this low power 12 test should not be granted, an'd I'm sure you will hear a 13 lot of them this evening.
14 I think, though, most of all, there is a very 15 serious question of whether or not this plant will ever 16 generate nuclear power.
And, for that reason alone, until 17 that is resolved, I think it would be only prudent not to r
18 grant this low level test.
19 I have with me tonight someone who isn't signed l
20 up, and I would like to acknowledge his present here.
He is 21 my Co-Chairman on the Energy Committee in the State Legislature, 22 Representative Lawrence Alexander.
And, I think he would like 23 to testify.
His name has not been put on the schedule.
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Mr. Alexander, would you come 3
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MR. ALEXANDER:
Thank you very much.
And, I very 8
much appreciate the courtesy of you taking me out of turn this 9
evening.
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Louder.
11 MR. ALEXANDER:
For the record, my name is State l
12 Representative Laurence R. Alexander.
And, I'm House Chairman 13 of the Joint Committee on Energy in-the Massachusetts Legisla-ja ture.
s 15 And, I thank you for the opportunity to speak here 16 tonight, although I'm disturbed as many limited speaking l7 appearances were denied until people demanded this opportunity 18 yesterday.
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20 MR. ALEXANDER:
However, for those who argue that 21 government sometimes won't bend, I think that you should be 22 applauded for now taking the testimony this evening and I 23 understand for the rest of the week as well.
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tomorrow's Chernobyl.
I personally hope the Seabrook plant 2
never receives a license.
3 Governor Dukakis made a correct decision when he 4
stated that the could not guarantee the health and safety of 5
Massachusetts' citizens and, therefore, would not submit an 6
7 evacuation plan.
Since the Governor cannot guarantee the health and safety of our citizens, and since we can meet our 8
power needs by other means -- and I'm absolutely certain of 9
10 that -- why should we take the risk?
It's as simple as that.
1 11 Now, the issues concerning licensing will ultimately 1
12 be resolved by the courts.
And, it's going to take a lengthy a
13 period of time.
And there are several reasons why the issuance i
of a temporary operating license authorizing low power testing 14 15 at Seabrook would be premature.
First of all, there is a 16 very strong likelihood that the plant will never open.
Governor Michael Dukakis and Attorney General Blotty 17 will be joining the other intervenors in appealing NRC decisions 18 i
19 to license the plant thraugh the federal courts.
20 (Applause.)
21 MR. ALEXANDER:
The appeal process will take at 22 least a year.
And, in fact, the Shoreham reactor has been on 23 hold for two years now.
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is absolutely no reason, no reason at all, not to wait until i
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all the appeals are resolved'.
3 In addition, on the other hand there is so much 4
to lose if low power testing were to take place in the next l
5 few months.
The plant site would be contaminated for years 6
to come.
And, if licensing were ultimately denied there would have been no need for such contamination.
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would reduce resale value, increase worker radiation exposure, 10 create high level and low level radioactive waste and raise 11 the cost of any potential conversion of the facility to a 12 fossil fuel facility.
Low power testing irreversably ir-13 radiates the fuel, the reactor and some supporting systems, 14 according to Dale Broadenburg, a nuclear engineer formerly f
15 with the Nuclear Energy Division of General Electric.
Ir-i 16 radiation reduces the resale value of fuel and equipment i
17 to other nuclear plants by necessitating expensive decontamina-4 18 tion efforts and the probable fuel rod rearrangement or fuel 19 powered reconfiguration for another reactor.
20 There is unavoidable radiation exposure to workers 21 during and after low power testing.
And, additional exposure 22 is unavoidable when removing irradiated fuel and equipment.
23 A substantial buildup of fisson products produces
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5 now submitted to the NRC affidavits alleging serious irregula-6 rities in the construction of the reactor that jeopardize 7
the efficacy of important safety systems.
Over four-fifths 8
of the reactor's construction was supervised by a small 9
utility with no previous nuclear construction experience that l
10 was under severe financial distress.
i 11 Public Service Company of New Hampshire earned the l 12 lowest utility bond rating in the nation for four years as t
13 it hovered on the brink of bankruptcy.
Seven years behind 14 schedule and ten times over the projected budget, there were 15 extreme economic pressures on the company.
16 This raises questions concerning whether some 17 corners might have been cut during this construction period.
la Under similar circumstances,: poor construction practices were I
19 revealed at other reactors such as the Zimmer Nuclear Power 20 Plant in Ohio.
21 It's very likely that parts of the reactor will 22 have to be disassembled and rebuilt even if all other issues 1
23 are resolved and your Commission and the courts rule in
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Correcting these problems after
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low power testing would have added greatly to the cost of i
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converting the facility to a plant that uses fossil fuel 6
to make electricity.
As you know, there are now plants that 7
convert.
The Zimmer Plant in Ohio to a coal-fired plant; and, 8
an agreement was just announced between Consumers Power Company 9
and Dow Chemical to convert the Midland reactor in Michigan to 10 natural gas.
11 In conclusion, the Seabrook reactor c&nnot begin 12 full, power operation until the emergency plan and controversy
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associated with the licensing issue is resolved.
Both sides 13 14 in the dispute have pledged to take this case to the federal 15 courts.
Since appeals are likely to take at least one year 16 and perhaps much longer, and since disassembly and decontamina-17 tion might cost ratepayers or the utility millions of dollars, 18 I urge you not to approve the temporary operating license for 19 low power testing until we know for sure whether Seabrook will 20 permanently be licensed or not.
21 What is to be gained by rushing into this?
How 22 much is there to be lost?
A great deal.
23 Thank you.
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Mr. McEachern.
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Thank you.
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Sir, the microphone to the loud-6 Speaker is at your left.
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The microphone to the loud speaker 8
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Yes.
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And, if I sort of bend over 11 everyone can hear me, okay.
My wife accuses me of not stand-12 i*ng up straight, so now we will give her concrete evidence
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15 MR. McEACHERN:
I'm reminded, Mr. -- first of all, 16 my name is Paul McEachern.
I was born in the city and have
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And, I am 18 the nominee of the Democratic Party of the State of New 19 Hampshire for the office of Governor.
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21 MR. McEACHERN:
I am reminded of a remark that 22 Adlai Stevenson once made when he gave a talk.
He said:
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for a few moments here and what I may say may.not be directly
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4 the exuberanti romance that Americans have had with 5
technology.
We have gone forward with nuclear power with 6
only half of the technology in place.
Nuclear power not 7
only produces electricity, it produces high level waste.
8 And, as yet there is no solution to the waste problem.
9 And, it defies technology at present.
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10 assure you that it will defy a political solution in this 11 country, because there is no section in this country that 12 will accept nuclear waste.
There is none.
O 13 And, it's ironic that at this point in the history l
l 14 of this state we have as our Governor, John Sununu, a man 15 who came from the nuclear industry, who has been financed 16 in his campaign efforts by the nuclear industry, and whose 17 mission is to promise us anything but to give us Seabrook.
18 Every poll that has been taken says that the 19 people do not want this plant to start up.
What we see 20 here is really a failure of the regulatory process.
21 In my opinion, the NRC has equated the production 22 of electricity with national defense.
And, so in the name 23 of producing electricity, we are being asked to take risks
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And, I say, in this country, in the
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And, so we are going to take the 6
decision-making process out of the regulatory process.
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are going to put it into the ballot box.
8 And, this issue of nuclear power is no longer an 9
issue for regulators to decide.
It's an issue for people 10 to decide in the political process, because there has been a I
11 failure of the regulatory process, because you try to equate 12 the production with national defense.
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And, we can exercise that switch in November.
15 And, we are going to turn it off and save you fellows a lot 16 of grief.
17 Thank you.
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Mr. Chichester.
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FROM THE FLOOR:
This afternoon I believe there 3
were three Judges.
I was wondering where the other Judge 4
was?
5 JUDGE WOLFE:
He is not feeling well.
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How about last night, sir?
7 JUDGE WOLFE:
Same thing.
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And where will he be on Friday 9
night, sir?
10 JUDGE WOLFE:
I don't know.
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For the record, I am Guy 15 Chichester and I am from the Town or Rye.
I am my town's 16 Nuclear Intervention Advisory Committeeman and a representativ.3 I7 from the town to the League of Towns.
18 Gentlemen, personally I felt very sorry to see I9 some of the raw judgments of you yesterday.
I know you 20 are only human and certainly not responsible for all of 2l the destruction of nuclear power, past, present and future.
22 Hoesver, I understand the anger of the people 23 against the system which you represent that is responsible 24 for the nuclear debauch.
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from that system, and that the NRC more often than not has
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been the agency doing the dirty work.
4 How else could we have the coincidental appearance f y u here and this man Brown of the Yankee Atomic Operation 5
at Seabrook saying at the same time that the Seabrook 6
Station is going to be licensed and it is going to be 7
Operated?
8 We have seen a lot of that sort of coincidental 9
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At the same time, I am well aware, as some of the ij testimony in the last two days has brought out, that there 12 are many people within the agency who would agree with the
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15 I hope you will prove to be among that group and do what is necesssary to bring the industry under 16 control.
j7 18 We will be the first to praise you and welcome j9 you back if you do.
Your decisions from here on are what 20 we are interested in now.
21 I come with some historical perspective to 22 add to our experience and to the record of this proceeding 23 with the hope that you will find it a reasonable persuasion.
24 Gentlemen, I go back to vivid memories of many
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to clean your clothing iwth carbon tetrachloride or to
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I saw DDT come heralded 4
as a miracle, the basis for a green revolution they said.
5 It would result in the end of famine they said, and I 6
remember Rachel Carson who taught us about Silent Spring 7
and catastrophic ecological problems coming out of 8
unbridled industrial pollution, some of it not at all 9
innocent.
10 I remember when large numbers of people began 11 to be annoyed by soot from coal plants because it dirtied 12 the wash on the clothes line.
They knew nothing of acid
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V 14 I come from a time when most houses and other 15 buildings in most of the cities in this country had 16 asbestos insulation and lead painted woodwork.
I remember 17 how eager we were in the 30's and 40's for the glammour 18 and supposed pleasures of cigarettes.
19 I know you can appreciate the things I am 20 saying.
We are of the same age or very nearly.
21 Gentlemen, I remember World War II very well.
22 The atomic bombing of Heroshima and Nagasaki was my 23 introduction to nuclear power and weapons as a boy.
I 24 marveled at how such an enormous secret could be kept from Ac.htR. pore.rs,Inc.
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3 to develop nuclear technology in secret in peacetime.
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Congress did that with full knowledge that the people would 5
be used like guinea pigs in a vast nuclear experiment,.
6 some people more than others.
7 The people of course were never informed, nor 8
did they ever vote for a Congressman on that basis.
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was a benchmark in turning wartime technology and economics 10 into integral parts of peacetime institutions.
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14 you are not to be misled by the depth of feeling you are 15 experiencing here with the people.
It is because we are 16 no longer innocent and because we have seen 15 years of 17 political manipulation here in New England just to place 18 one nuclear plant at Seabrook.
19 We have seen phone calls between the Governors' 20 offices and the White House and between Ropes and Gray and 21 the Nuclear Regulatory Commission which rigged the process, 22 and twice turned around decisions which had the project 23 stopped dead in its tracks.
24 We want no more of that.
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will be democratic, it will be by all of the people, it 2
will be in the ballot box and we will never ever put up with this.
It is absolutely unacceptable.
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5 I want you to just take one half of a minute 6
with me..please, on this so you will know how we think here.
7 We are blessed in New Hampshire with everything 8
we need for a smart safe energy future.
We know it is 9
for good environment and it is also good for business and 10 the economy and for a healthy democratic society.
jj In New Hampshire we have been leading the way 12 in a non-nuclear future.
We would like you to be with us.
13 Thank you.
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15 JUDGE WOLFE:
James Demers.
16 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 17 OF 18 JAMES DEMERS 19 MR. DEMERS:
Thank you.
20 For the record, my name is James Demers, and 21 I am a former State Representative here in New Hampshire.
22 I am the Democratic nominee for Congress in the First 23 District, and I am a resident of Dover, a community that 24 is supposed to be a host community in the event of an Ac l Reporters, Inc.
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4 Those of us in this State feel like we don't 5
have a voice, and I am sure you have heard it from many 6
people that our elected officials don't seem to stand up 7
that often for us.
g For those of us who live here, last week, or 9
tw weeks ago when you very board made a determination that 10 nine communities within the 10-mile evacutation zone of jj 12 Seabrook would be barred from being heard when the hearings came up, that served as an outrage to us, an outrage that p
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15 That I think is an outrage, and the democratic 16 system that we all are supposed to believe in in this j7 country is being circumvented.
And we feel rather desperate 18 j9 now that our elected officials aren't there being that voice that we need.
20 21 I was there when the evacuation test took place, and there was an important element missing when those 22 eva uation tests were taking place - people.
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there are only two roads in and out of Hampton Beach and 5
no where and no place for people to go if there actually 6
has to be an evacuation.
7 And I think today I am speaking not just for 8
my generation, but for future generations when I say that 9
we are very concerned.
10 I have lived in this State all of my life and 11 I love this State, and I think it is a shame that the threat 12 that now hangs over our head hinges on a nuclear power plant 13 on our coast.
14 There is no doubt we can't afford it, b;ut deeper
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20 I want you to know that the people of New Hampshire 21 are saying no way, no way to a two-mile zone and no way 22 to the plant that told us that we are going to get the cheapest l
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3 please take one message to the faceless bureaucrats in 4
Washington on behalf of the people of New Hampshire, it 5
is this.
We don't want you to destroy our State, we don't 6
want you to destory our economy, our environment and the 7
future of this State for the generations to come.
8 Thank you.
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10 JUDGE WOLFE:
E. Jane Walker.
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For the record, I am E. Jane 15 Walker.
I live in Hampton, and I represent Hampton and 16 Hampton Falls.
17 I appreciate the opportunity that you have given 18 us to speak to you tonight.
19 I would like to strongly urge you not to permit 20 any testing at Seabrook until the issue of safety has been 21 resolved.
22 I ask you this as a Representative who is 23 concerned about the safety of the almost 15,000 citizens 24 that reside in my district in the wintertime and the one
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evacuation plan to guarantee their safety.
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as a mother of three grown daughters who chose to move 6
to New Hampshire 24 years ago because of the quality of life here.
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I w uld like to know that my children and' 9
future grandchildren m.ight have the same opportunity to 10 live here with the same quality of life if they choose 11 to.
12 My reasons for asking this are simple. I do not believe that you or anyone else can guarantee complete f-33 V) 14 safety in the operation of the plant.
As it has been 15 stated over and over again, because man has made the plant, 16 there has been and will be errors.
17 Over nine years a;.o when I was elected to 18 the Hampton School Board and throuch ;hese nine years I 19 have found it difficult to find a copy of the evacuation i
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Although I know that I am charged as a member of 21 board with the responsibility of doing certain things in 22 that plan.
23 I was able to obtain one copy about a year ago, 24 the one that was submited to you.
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3 very cooperative, and I do have hopes of receiving a copy 4
sometime in the near future.
5 However, in the coversation I found out where 6
the copies for Hampton were delivered.
One copy, No. 15, 7
was delivered to the School District Office.
One was 8
delivered to each of the four principals in our district, 9
and one was delivered to the Superintendent of Schools, 10 one copy for 22 board members.
11 The only problem is that we don't have a 12 school district office, and we only have.three principals
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They made 18 two in where the plans were to be delivered.
19 They are human.
They make mistakes.
How many 20 mistakes are in the plan we really don't know.
21 In case of a disaster of any sort, a mistake 22 in the plan which seems very simple could prove disastrous 23 for my 1,200 students and faculty as well as the rest of 24 the citizens in town.
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3 I would like to also point out that I don't 4
think the Federal Government really believes that nuclear 5
power is one hundred percent safe.
If there were no 6
Possibilities for error, there would be no need for the 7
Price-Anderson Act which relieves insurance companies of 8
the responsibility for insuring property within the 9
vicinity of a nuclear power plant.
10 If the Federal Government really believed in 11 the 100 percent safety of nuclear power, the Price-Anderson 12 Act would not have a limit on the amount that they cover
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13 the damages.
14 If you want to convince me that Seabrook is 15 safe enough to live within the two-mile radius, then repeal 16 the Price-Anderson Act and let my homeowners insurance 17 policy cover me, or make the amount of the Price-Anderson 18 Act unlimited.
19 At the present the Price Anderson Act covers 20 the Hampton property owner at five cents on the dollar.
21 If It is increased to the amount that Congress is taking 22 about, it will make it 25 cents on the dollar.
This doesn't 23 sound to me like that thcy are so sure of the safety with 24 those great odds.
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2 should happen at Seabrook, just think of the price that 3
not only the people in our area would pay but the people 4
throughout the United States, that future generations would 5
pay.
6 The future generations would not be able to 7
walk on the sands at Hamptom Beach or at any other beaches 8
in New Hampshire.
They would not be able to tour the 9
sites of John Paul Jones' house, Strawberry Bank or even 10 Paul Revier's house or Bunker Hill. They could not come 11 to see and enjoy the Boston Tea Party sites.
They would 12 not be able because these would be contaminated for years.
13 would it be a'shama if your names and the NRC
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18 JUDGE WOLFE:
Ednapearl Parr.
19 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 20 OF 21 EDNAPEARL PARR 22 MS. PARR:
Mr. Chairman and Members of the Panel, 23 I am Representative Ednapearl Parr.
I represent Hampton 24 Beach, Hampton and Hampton Falls.
I am Chairman of the. State
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I'have just been assigned to the High-2 Level Radioactive Waste Commission.
I serve on the National 3
4 Conference at State Level of High-Level Radioactive Waste.
5 I am very familiar with the problem.
We study it and we work on it.
For 14 years I have worked against 6
Seabrook.
I was a third intervenor when it was first put 7
8 n line at the site evaluation hearing.
9 There is no way Hampton Beach or my area can 10 be protected even from a small accident of any kind.
It 11 doesn't make any difference.
There is no way we can get 12 off f Hampton Beach.
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The plant must not be fueled for low-level 15 testing.
16 Gentlemen and ladies, pleaes consider this.
j7 Please know that we are human beings down here.
Please 18 do not turn out as murders to our country and to the people 19 her in this area.
We know that they keep telling us how 20 safe it is, and we know they said the challenger was safe, 21 but one in 25 was destroyed.
One in 500 nuclear plants 22 had a meltdown.
They are not as safe as NRC first thought 23 they were.
There will and can be a meltdown at any time.
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as 30 years.
2 Do not make a high-level waste dump in our 3
Please consider this.
Please make it your utmost area.
4 consideration and do not allow fueling for low-level testing 5
in this place.
6 Thank you, Judge, for being here.
Thank you, 7
panel, and thank you for allowing me to speak.
8 (Applause.)
9 JUDGE WOLFE:
Bob Walsh.
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Good evening, Mr. Chairman, sir.
14 My name is Bob Walsh, and I am a member of the 15 New Hampshire Bar and a prosecutor in Hillsborough County.
16 Before low-level testing should be conducted 17 at Seabrook, you must consider the necessity of evacuating 18 this area in the event of a nuclear accident.
Even at low-19 level testing the evacuation plan is woefully inadequate.
20 And for our populated area here..in the' State 21 of New Hampshire that includes the Massachusetts and Maine 22 area evacuation of this area is impossible.
23 On a busy summer weekend there will be over 24 100,000 cars and over a quarter of a million human beings
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In the event of an accident and mass evacuation (n) 2 from the area there is only one road leading in and out, 3
Interstate 95.
And that would be hampered by gridlock as 4
cars from the various secondary roads tried to get onto 5
95 either going south to Boston or north to Maine, which 6
is limited by only three bridges going across.
7 On Labor Day I had the opportunity to take 8
members of the press up over the Seabrook and seacoast 9
area to show them just how clogged this traffic this area 10 would be and how impossible it would be to evacuate.
11 I want to tell you gentlemen that you are never 12 going to understand the problems of evacuating Seabrook
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13 sitting in'a hotel room on a Tuesday night.
14 Accordingly I invite you to go up in an airplane 15 and look at this area to see the limited roads out of this 16 area and to see how impossible it would be to evacuate this 17 areas, and I invite you to do that while you are here in 18 New Hampshire this week, and don't worry about filling out 19 a government voucher.
I'll pay for the plane, but it will 20 be extremely educational for you as it was for me and members 21 of the press to see this whole area and how impossible it 22 is to evacuate.
23 Thank you very much.
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25 JUDGE WOLFE:
Roberta Pevear.
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MR. PEVEAR:
I am not quite as petty as she 4
is, but I am her husband, and I would like to read a letter 5
fr m her into the record.
6 It says Mr. Sheldon J.
Wolfe, Chairman, and 7
Members of the Board of the U.S. NRC Atomic Safety and g
Licensing Board in Maryland.
9 In reference to document No. 50-443-OL1 and 10 jj 50-444-OL1, onsite emergency planning and safety issues, I am confined at home with a heart problem and I am asking 12 that this letter be read into the hearing record being
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j4 I am noW serving my fourth term in the House and representing the Towns of Hampton and Hampton Falls, 16 two of the three towns closest to the plant site.
y7 I am also Civil Defense Director of the Town 18 of Hampon Falls.
We have constantly voted against locating 39 this nuclear plant in the midst of us.
20 We who live here have told the company and the 21 State and the NRC that we cannot be protected in case of g
an a ident at this nuclear plant.
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license the plant.
We do not understand this attitude, I')
2 and we will fight it with every means at our disposal to V
3 stop the license of this plant.
4 Unfortunately,-the Republican Party in the 5
State of New Hampshire has placed itself in the position 6
of promoting the Seabrook plant.
7 As a life-long member of the Republican Party 8
I am also co-owner of the Republicans against Seabrook and 9
I will loan my support to these running for office who are 10 dedicated to stopping this outrage on the public.
11 There is no logical reason for allowing the 12 fuel to be loaded and the site to be contaminated unless 13-and until it is appropriate that the public can all be 14 protected in the case of an accident.
15 However, logic, as we all know, does not play 16 a part in this crucade.
If we cannot protect ourselves 17 with reason, we will have to do it in the voting booth.
18 The radicals who favor this plant on this site at any cost 19 to us and our children must go.
20 Signed Roberta C.
Pevear, Republican Representativa 21 from Hampton and Hampton Falls.
22 Thank you.
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representatives of the public, I was handed a letter this 2
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States Congressman from the First District of New Hampshire, Mr. Smith.
His representative asked that I read that 5
letter tonight.
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All right.
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The letter is dated September 8
30, 1986.
It is addressed to you, Mr. Chairman, and the 9
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to provide input into this process.
22 23 Sincerely, Bob Smith, United States Representative 24 for the First District of New Hampshire.
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THOMAS MOUGHAN 5
MR. MOUGHAN:
My name is obviously not-6 Monica Cunningham.
Miss Cunningham was to appear this evening 7
on behalf of United States Senator John F. Carey of 8
Massachusetts to deliver this statement and had an emergency 9
en-route.
She called and asked me~to read the statement 10 of Senator Carey as the coordinator of citizens within the 11 10-mile radius, which is a grass-roots organizati6n. of 12 the six Massachusetts emergency planning zone communities, 13 and I consider that a great privilege to have this opportunity
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15 Judge Wolfe and Judge Harbour, recently Governor 16 Dukasis has determined after careful study that he cannot 17 responsibly submit evacuation plans for the Massachusetts 18 communities within the 10-mile radius of the Seabrook Nuclear 19 Power Plant.
20 In light of that decision, I strongly believe 21 that it is not a good idea economically or environmentally 22 to grant a low-power operating license to the Seabrook Plant.
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serves as a prime example.
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Commission only considered on-site emergency planning,- the 4
Shoreham plant was granted a low-power operating-license 5
even though off-site evacuation issues had not been resolved.
6 Two years later the plant has been contaminated 7
and is not closer to obtaining its full operating license.
8 Even NRC Commissioner James Asselstine has 9
stated that it seemed " unwise to contaminate the plant until 10 the Commission had resolved the outstanding emergency jj P anning issue."
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the technical issues of the onsite emergency plans for the j4 Seabrook plant, and it may lead to the granting of a low-15 p wer license.
16 Common sense should indicate that such an j7 imp rtant decision should be based on more technical 18 consideration.
j9 Unfortunately, the history of this plant 20 indicates that common sense has never played a role in 21 decision-making by the NRC when considering the Seabrook 22 l
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Mary McEacherur.
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Good evening.
I am the Mayor 6
of the City of Portsmouth.
I come here tonight to represent 7
myself.
The City of Portsmouth voted to take part in 8
the emergency evacuation plan.
And, as the Mayor, I did 9
take part.
i I will tell you that before I went into it, I 10 11 felt that we could not have a plan that would work.
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I can only speak to you about my 14 15 expertise.
I have 30 years experience, and my expertise is 16 mothering.
When I got the call from the Portsmouth Police Station that we were having the mock testing of the 17 i
18 communications system, I knew the call was coming, but for 19 just that split second I took inventory of my kids.
I can assure you, gentlemen, that there will not 20 be one woman in the City of Portsmouth that will evacuate 21 without her children.
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Elaine Krasker.
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MS. KRASKER:
Thank you very much, Judge Wolfe, 8
and members.
My name is Elaine Krasker.
I am a State 9
10 Representative from Portsmouth.
I have been a State Re-11 presentative for 12 years.
I am now a candidate for State 12 Senate, Senate District 24, which will represent Portsmouth, i
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14 The towns that I speak to represent are within 15 the 10-mile radius of evacuation planning.
And, I'm aware, 16 and have been aware for some time, that there is a real fear 17 that there isn't going to be a fair and democratic process l
18 involved in the evacuation plans that are going to effect 19 People's lives.
A basic right that New Hampshire people are entitled 20 21 to is the right to personal safety.
The people of the : seacoast 22 are being deprived of that right today because a law passed 23 by New Hampshire legislature in 1981 is being misused, both 24 by appointed and elected officials.
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3 process in New Hampshire for Seabrook Station.
i And the law directs the New Hampshire Civil-4 Defense Agency to cooperate with cities and towns in develop-5 ing emergency plans according to federal guidelines.
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6 lak is now being used to tell the people of the seacoast 7
that they do not have the right to decide when the emergency 8
plans they depend upon are good enough to do the job.
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That isn't fair.
It doesn't make sense.
And, it 10 11 isn't what the Legislature intended in 1981.
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and return the right to determine evacuation planning to the 13 14 people of the seacoast where it belongs.
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16 MS. KRASKER:
The legislation I will introduce into the 1987 session will clarify the intent of the law and 17 recognize the towns have the right to make the decisions that 18 19 affect their life, their health and thei:' safety, and will 20 make very clear the right of a local unit of government to 21 determine, through its governing body, when any nuclear 22 emergency response plan is sufficient to adequately protect the health and welfare of its citizens.
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Until the people of the seacoast agree that we 3
are ready in case of an accident, the plant must not operate.
4 And, I urge you not to give it a low power 5
license.
Permission to operate a nuclear facility is a 6
privilege, not a right for Public Service of New Hampshire.
7 But, safety of life and health is a right for seacoast citizens.
That's an important distinction in our 8
9 democratic system.
And, somehow that distinction has been 10 lost in the Seabrook controversy.
11 Now, more than ever people are looking for leaders 12 who are willing to speak the truth and to take action to O
13 protect their rights.
And, there are elected officials who 14 are going to make sure that that happens.
15 Some people say there is nothing that elected 16 officals can do about the problem.
Absolutely wrong.
We 17 never thought when we started so many years ago that this was l
18 finally going to enter the political realm where it was 19 going to take elected officials to look out for the health 20 and welfare of the people.
21 And, so I ask you, as appointed officials, to 22 recognize the fact that if you are not willing to take the 23 action, elected officials are.
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MS. HASSE:
Good evening, Judge.
I am here before 5
you tonight not as a representative of any vested interest 6
group, except as that of my gender, woman, and a 12 year 7
resident of this community.
I am here tonight to examine not the pros and pons 8
9 of technology, but the process of decision-making which is 10 composed of real, individual people, yourself among them.
11 We have the entire history of human kind which 12 can be looked at for understanding this process.
There is 13 nothing new or untested about the ability of human beings 14 to make, or fail to make, wise decisions.
15 We are here tonight to assist you in your jobs.
16 This hearing, sir, is a test of your ability to make wise 17 decisions.
18 No one should have to make such a mome.1tous 19 decision without input from all levels and points of view.
20 And, no one person should carry the burden of guilt should 21 that decision be faulty and carry disastrous consequences.
22 We are also here tonight to hold you personally 23 responsible for the decision which you will reach after this
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responsible for the future of my community.
2 As an operator of a school bus, which on paper 3
is to be included in the evacuation, a plan which has yet to include the willing and useful input of this community, 4
5 I fully understand the burden facing me should this plant be 6
granted a testing license and result in an accident.
When I was driving some years ago, in another community, I was 7
unfortunately on the road at the time of a minor natural 8
9 disaster, a snow storm.
It was 12 noon on a week day during the school 10 11 year when buses began to bring children home early, the result of a decision made by the administrators of the school 12 O'
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This task would normally have been complete in two and a half hours, but I encountered such immence traffic ja 15 jams -- parents were driving from bus to bus, to school to J
16 bus, out of their cars, banging on the sides of the bus to find out if their child was on board, as darkness fell.
17 18 And, understandably, the children were hysterical.
19 The parents were determined, whatever the resultant confusion, to find their children.
I think that is a very predictable 20 human behavior.
21 I returned from my two and a half hour journey 22 12 hours1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> later.
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as a child-bearing woman.
I have made a home in the seacoast 6
and I have, I think, reasonable concern for the future 7
generation.
There is not, at this time, sufficient assurance 8
9 to me or any other woman in this community that this can be 10 safely done, given the record of Public Service Company in 11 telling us the truth.
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14 JUDGE WOLFE:
Cynthia Costello.
indexx 15 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 16 OF CYNTHIA COSTELLd 17 18 MS. COSTELLO:
Good evening, Your Honor.
I am 19 Cynthia Costello, and I'm from Amesbury, Massachusetts.
I 20 am a mother of five sons, and I'm a pastoral musician and 21 a part-time teacher, and a very concerned individual, period.
2 To members of the Atomic Energy Licensing Safety 23 Board, I emphasize " Safety Licensing Board," many feel that
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2 was unstoppable because of the millions of dollars invested i
3 in the project.
Thank God for the people who never give up, 4
who continue to speak up and attend these meetings instead 5
of watching Monday night football or Dallas.
And, believe me, 6
that would be much easier, especially with our -- many of us 7
have very busy schedules.
It takes many hours of ones time to continue this 8
9 process.
But I believe, as do many others, that ultimately io the people will prevail, as they did yesterday in having 3
11 these proceedings opened.
And, I applaud you for opening 1
12 the proceedings.
I think it was really wise.
Unfortunatel'y, in the process there were emotional 13 14 outburst, but they were necessary to get attention.
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15 media, in some cases, generally referred to many of us who 16 were sitting there as disruptive, emotional, off-key singers, j
17 and -- well, when we were just simply trying to hear with 18 inadequate amplification and lack of seating and the threat 19 of having our cars towed from the parking lot.
The whole atmosphere itself led to one of needless 20 confrontation.
I, for one, will be noting firm objection 21 to holding such a federal hearing in a non-civic building.
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happens to me sometimes when I go to a very boring meeting, all of a sudden I will hear something and it strikes home.
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I had never thought of that before.
Because we are all individuals, and we all have 8
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must take the reasonable approach of refusing to grant this 10 11 license when it will be at least a year before legal technicalities can be resolved because of the evacuation 12 O
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13 Your decision on this request will undoubtedly 14 15 be one of the most important, if not one of the most critical, 16 in your legal career.
And, I hope that it will be the one 17 that is best for the people and from your hearts.
u3 Thank you very much.
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Mr.
J. Costello.
20 21 (No response.)
JUDGE WOLFE:
Elizabeth Adell.
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Members of the Board, I thank you 4
for this opportunity to speak tonight.
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6 MS. ADELL:
My name is Elizabeth Adell, and I'm 7
8 from Amesbury, Massachusetts.
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A-d-e-1-1.
Relative to the temporary 11 low power testing, I have read that the government of the U.S.S.R maintains the incident -- and I will use the term 12 O
" incident" as that is what the nuclear industry seems to 13 want to use rather than use the word " accident" -- the 14 incident at Chernobyl was not due to a flaw in the design 15 16 of the plant.
They maintain the incident turned into a disaster because of plant location and human error.
j7 Assuming that there will be humans in the control 18 19 room at Seabrook, errors could be made not dissimilar to that 20 at Chernobyl.
As to the location of the plant at Seabrook, it 21 hardly needs any comment when you consider the population 22 around the plant at any time and more specifically in the 23 24 summertime.
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it go to into construction?
If your answer is yes, then I 3
would ask that you examine how you can rationalize placing 4
such a burden on the public as it relates to cost?
If your 5
answer is no, then you have only the stockholders of this 6
white elephant to consider.
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MS. ADELL:
They have been pouring money into this 8
9 plant for many years knowing full well that there was a 10 question whether it would ever go on line.
They took the 11 risk, and they should pay for it.
12 I thank you very much.
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14 JUDGE WOLFE:
Lawrence Craig Green.
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My name is Lawrence Craig Green.
I 18 19 am the Congressional candidate for District 2 of the Democratic 20 Party.
I find it very interesting this year in New Hampshire 21 that the Democratic Party has adopted a platform which 22 opposes Seabrook.
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My home happens to be on the ' nuclear waste dump I) 2 site in Antrim within walking distance of Ground Zero where 3
they wanted to put a nuclear waste dump.
I got into this 4
because of the issue.
I was the Executive Director of the 5
People of New Hampshire Against the Nuclear Dump.
6 And, as such I ran into a lot of controversial 7
comments, one of which caused me to run.
And that was 8
Scott Hinchburger of the DOE who said:
One of the problems 9
you are going to have in stopping this dump, the biggest 10 problem is that you are going to have to deal with politicians.
11 And we all know politicians are in it for what they can get.
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What you need, if you are going to beat O-13 the Department of Energy, is a statesman, someone who cares, 14 someone who will go in it because they care, not because they 15 have something to get out of it.
16 That's why I ran, because I care.
I care about 17 not only where I live but where the 30,000 acres and the rest 18 of the people around me live.
19 And, I come to speak to you tonight of the people 20 up in Orford and the people in Hanover and the people in Lime 21 and the people in Newport and the people in Hensdale and Antrim, 22 and the whole western side of the State who say no.
Wherever 23 I go, the first question I'm asked is:
I don't want to hear
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.The people are worried.
The people are secred.
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And I speak for them.
I speak for their children and the 4
future generations that are concerned.
5 I've read the decommissioning report for Seabrook 6
which suggests that the ideal spot for low level nuclear 7
waste is Granite Rock, my back yard.
We don't want it.
We 8
don't want it in Portsmouth.
We don't want it in Hillsboro.
9 We don't want it anywhere.
We would like to have a nuclear-p) free state.
11 And, we can do that with your help.
It was the 12 NRC in '83 who suggested removing the limited liability ceiling O
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13 of Price-Anderson and since then it has come up again and 14 again and again, and it's brought up in Congress again in 15 the past few weeks.
If it's safe -- I've asked the Governor, 16 I've asked the Commission, I've asked the NRC at the hearings, 17 if it's so safe, let's insure it.
And no one will bite.
H3 Nobody will agree.
19 One of the heads of Main Yankee -- excuse me, of I
20 Vermont Yankee, I asked Warren Murphy, I said:
What about 21 that one?
Would you publicly support removing that limited 22 liability ceiling?
Nobody will.
It makes us very suspicious when the industry won't 23 I ()
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There is no other
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sort of a. form of nuclear socialism, you might say.
2 (Applause.)
3 MR. GREEN:
I've met the doctors this past week 4
from the Chernobyl accident up in Hanover.
I've talked to 5
them.
I've seen the slides of the victims.
And, the slides 6
of the victims concern me.
They worry me.
They give me 7
nightmares.
8 And, I would like to share with you, since what 9
I do for a living is write poems -- I'm a poet.
I have 11 10 books published.
And, that's what I do.
And, I would like 11 to read you one:
12 I sit with my child and I look.
I look at the 13 pictures of the dead and dying and the pictures of those who 14 are yet to die.
There are the photographs and the drawings.
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15 There are the newsreels and the realities.
We must not let 16 this happen again, this Hiroshima, this nightmare of nightmares 17 l this dream so frightful come true again.
We must not reach 18 up into the sky and pull down the sun's own energy to destroy.
19 I We must use the sun only to heal.
We must not do this 20 terrible thing again.
And yet once again I am looking at 21 the pictures of the dead and dying and the pictures of those 22 who are yet to die.
They are not of Hiroshima, not from a 23 nuclear bomb dropped in some vengeful quest, some contest of t
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And it is not the bomb of war that was
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2 power plant gone awry and yet the death is just the same 1
3 and so is the dying, and so is the dying.
And like those 4
unborn children of Hiroshima there are men and women who
'5 huddle in the shadows of their own worst fears and dream the 6
nightmare of nightmares and fear the birth of their gift of 2
7 love and toss upon their pillows unknowing.
Will it be my 8
child who is striken, my child who will be defored, will it 9
be my child who will suffer what I have experienced and be l
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12 who will pay the price and who will accept the pain and
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13 14 And where does one go to find sanctuary from the fear?
And 15 who can close Pandora's box?
Stop the power brokers from 16 endangering our lives.
Who will save us, I ask the child.
17 And the child snuggles closer, looks up to me and says:
You 18 do it, daddy.
You do it.
You can do it.
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We are all daddies and we are all mommies.
And 20 it's our responsibility to protect those children, the little 21 ones and the big ones, for future generations, for lives i
22 unborn, for ten times ten thousand years.
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23 responsibility and we must accept that.
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2 said to me:
You know, they told us that if there was an 3
accident, whether it be at a nuclear plant or an accident --
4 or a nuclear war, we as the medical profession are not allowed 5
to touch the irradiated victims.
We are to walk by them and i'
6 go to those who aren't irradiated to help.
7 And, she said:
It goes against everything I have 8
spent my life learning,.to turn my back on those who are 9
suffering.
And she said:
The question comes up, what do you 10 do in case of a nuclear accident if your children are outside 11 and get irradiated.
Do you open the door and let them in, 12 or do you keep the door closed and protect yourself?
7, 13 It's an immorale situation to put anyone in.
I 14 ask you not to put those of us in that situation.
15 Thank you.
16 (Applause.)
17 l JUDGE WOLFE:
Roy Morrison Warner.
Excuse me.
18 It's Roy Morrison.
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20 OF 21 ROY MORRISON 22 MR. MORRISON:
I am Roy Morrison from Warner.
Sitti:1g 23 at the hearings, at these hearings we hear a lot about regula-I')
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And democracy means (s-2 the people rule.
You can always have lots of laws.
In this 3
country, the reason that this country is here, is that men, 4
New Englanders like Sam Adams, saw plenty of law.
They saw 5
the laws that say:
Obey the King.
The laws that said:
Obey 6
the rich.
The laws that said:
Obey the powerful.
They said:
7 Obey the Stamp Act.
They said:
Pay your taxes, bow down, 8
do what you are told.
9 And they acted in New England.
They started a 10 revolution that our foremothers and forefathers fought and 11 suffered and died so we can be a democracy, so that we can vote 12 in our towns in New England.
7-d 13 And, now we are surrounded by the jackals that 14 come out and prey on the rotting body of what our ancestors 15 fought and died for, the people who call themselves judges, 16 I the lawyers -- paid a thousand dollars an hour to defend the 17 l rights of a few men to make a fortune because of our debt.
I 18 And the people who fought and died to establish this democracy i
l 19 understood that.
20 And, they told us in New Hampshire, in our Bill of l
21 Rights in the New Hampshire Constitution, Article X, it says:
22 Right of revolution.
And I will read it to you.
It says:
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perverted and public liberty manifestly in danger and all 3
other means of redress are ineffectual, the people nay and 4
of right ought to reform the old or establish a new governm'ent.
5 The doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and 6
oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and 7
happiness of mankind.
That is our instruction.
That is our law to find l
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truth and justice.
10 (Applause.)
11 MR. MORRISOll:
And I look at you who say you are 12 judges, and I look for the spirit and the wisdom to try to 13 find a compassion and the judgment of Solomon, of Moses, of 14 Jesus.
And I see that -- I look for that, but I do not see 15 it.
16 And, I tell you, right down the street in this town 17 :
is the house of John Paul Jones, an American hero, who fought l
18 l for liberty.
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19 l lawyers and the regulators and the paid liars:
We have not 20 yet begun to fight.
21 (Applause.)
22 MR. MORRISOhi:
We have not yet begun to fight.
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24 JUDGE WOLFE:
Jan Schaffer.
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MS. SCHAFFER:
My name is Janet Schaffer.
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from Warner, New Hampshire.
6 In 1983, I appeared in front of this panel with 7
slightly different judges in Exeter, New Hampshire.
I remember at that time that I had prepared some testimony,'but just 8
9 before I spoke Judge Helen Hoyt gave a speech to the audience 10 essentially saying in her opinion we were all afraid of 11 nuclear power because we didn't know anything about it.
12 At that time, I did change my prepared testimony l
O 13 to say that it wasn't what we didn't know that we were ja afraid of, but what we did know.
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16 MS. SCHAFFER:
At that time, I lived here in the 17 seacoast.
Since then I have moved up to Warner, New Hampshire 18 where just recently we were faced with the threat of a nuclear 1
19 dump, and we still are faced with that threat I believe after I
20 this election.
Interestingly enough, at one point during the public 21 22 hearings on the waste dump a lawyer from the Department of 23 Energy stated that she felt that all of us opposed to the O
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motivates people here to be against nuclear power and nuclear 5
waste is fear.
And that if you can somehow alleviate these 6
fears that our opposition will evaporate.
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It's determination and hope.
I'm determined 9
to live and to work without nuclear pollution.
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10 hopeful that through my work and my determination that I 11 will leave a clean environment for my children.
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18 will testify, and we will also get our Governor out of 19 office.
And, you can --
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1 21 MS. SCHAFFER:
And, we are going to put somebody 22 in that office that will help us fight for public safety.
1 23 And you can help us, too.
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5 And, there was nothing that you could do about it.
These hearings would have been public in any case.
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that's the way it is here.
We are determined that this 7
nuke will not open.
8 Thank you.
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Diane Dunfey?
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My name is Diane Dunfey.
I am from 6
Rye, New Hampshire.
I must preface these remarks by telling 7
you that it is somewhat disconcerting to address this panel 4
8 under these circumstances.
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9 intense concerns are being heard conveniently after hours, 10 not in the presence of a complete panel of judges.
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15 obvious threats to our homes, our children, our very lives.
4 16 I consider myself reasonably intelligent, not 17 prone to irrational fear.
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4 the potential dangers, the potential misery, suffering, 5
death, either immediately or horribly by radiation poisoning, 6
or slowly and horribly by cancer.
You know it.
How, with 7
such knowledge, will you live with your role in the 8
unnecessary perpetuation of these dangers.
9 How will you sleep in the aftermath of a nuclear 10 disaster in Seabrook New Hampshire.
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You 14 simply can't tell me that.
No one can make such a 15 guarantee.
You can't tell me that these things won't happen.
16 But you can prevent them, and you have a morale 17 imperative to do so.
I know that you have prioritized u3 testimony focused on far more technical matters concerning j
l 19 solely technical standards, but I ask you to recognize your 20 urgent responsibility to a far higher standard, a standard 21 which compels us all to act in the protection and preservation 22 of humankind, in any capacity that we possibly can.
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6 JUDGE WOLFE:
Kurt Ekernburg?
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13 I want to thank all these people for coming.
I 14 think this is a great group of people, and they should give 15 themselves a round of applause.
16 My friend Roy Morrison stole my line.
I was 17 going to read the tenth amendment to the New Hampshire 18 Constitution, and I think I will read it again.
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not for the private interests of any one man, family or 6
class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government 7
are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and 8
all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, 9
and of right, ought to -- ought to -- reform the old or 10 establish a new government, the doctrine of non-resistance 11 against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, 12 and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
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I 13 That is Artle 10 of the Constitution of the 14 State of New Hampshire.
So, we are instructed to oppose 15 what you are doing here today.
16 I would also like to say this.
We had some people 17 who wanted to put a nuclear dump in New Hzmpshire.
They 18 have sense gone away, and we expect they might be back, and 19 they should know that we are aware of that.
20 Marlin Fitzwaller, who was the Press Secretary 21 for George Bush, who travels around the country with him I 22 guess, said of all the States they visited where the waste 23 dump was proposed, that the State of New Hampshire was the 24 most fierce, and we will continue to be.
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there was supposed to be a hearing on 4
the decommissioning of the Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant.
The Governor and some other people who were in our 5
6 Government that were supposed to hold that hearing have decided not to hold the hearing, so the people of New Hampshire 7
8 will go to that site tomorrow and hold a press conference to tell the folks of New England why the Government is 9
10 afraid to meet the people on decommissioning, and admit that 11 tha ts going to cost us as much to decommission the plant 12 as it did to build the thing, and that is happening at 13 10:00 a.m., tomorrow morning, in Seabrook at the Community 14 Center.
That is Route 1 just south of the Nuclear Power 15 Plant.
16 Everyone should come to that.
Also, Thursday morning, but I think everybody 17 18 ought to go.
It is 7:15 a.m.,
at Yoken"S Restaurant.
OUr 19 Nuclear Governor will make an appearance before the Portsmouth 20 Chamber of Commerce.
The public is invited.
It will cost 21 you eight dollars to get in and have breakfast, and you can 22 have some questions of this guy.
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Mary Morse?
Ellen Eisberg?
6 Cornelia Isellin?
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My name is Cornelia Isellin, and ij I am coming tonight as a resident of this little town of 12
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To err is human, and we all know that.
To admit 16 tht one is in error takes a great deal of courage, but it 37 can be done.
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dimension of the human psyche, which I would like to address.
4 As well as being unaware of this, he is aware 5
of something else.
Of the ability of the computer.
His
-- he is surrounded by an environment that is filled with 6
7 computers, with which he is extremely facile and able, and 8
these do give him the information which he uses in advising 9
us to go ahead with nuclear power because it will be good 10 for people.
11 But computers are not people.
Computers do not 4
12 err, and they calculate with an accuracy that is astonishing.
- O 13 Just what the people of today, who don't know about tomorrow, 14 program them to know.
That is an echelon of knowledge which 15 in inadequate.
If we are going to plan for the future, the 16 l computer cannot tell us what tomorrow will be.
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- 7 l intuitition of the human psyche can embrace this.
It is 18 the cherished dream of all of us that the day will come 19 l when we will solve the problems that are presently regarded 20 as being insoluble.
In other words, we will discover how 21 we can be at pease with one another.
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How we can reverse the 22 i
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of tomorrows that is truly meaningful, and therefore I think 4
it is time for us to be joined by the people who are in power 5
and who have the courage and statesmenship to admit at this 6
time that there have been errors made,'as Chernobyl so 7
adequately showed us.
8 And when they have done that, they can join us 9
in going back to a nuclear-free future, in which we arrive 10 at a new plane that.we cannot know yet.
11 Thank you.
12 (Applause.)
O 13 JUDGE WOLFE:
June Dagneault?
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15 OF 16 MIKE DAGNEAULT 17 MR. DAGNEAULT:
I am not June Dagneault.
My name 18 is Mike Dagneault, and I didn't really prepare any notes to 19 speak.
I was going to read the loth Amendment, but that has I
20 been done.
21 I did speak however in 1983 to the Board, and they 22 sat there with glazed eyes and went away.
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to make this decision on the low power license.
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2 case, where low power licensing was practically not given, or 3
denied, and then it was overruled at a late night session, 4
based primarily on the economics and the failure of the 5
utility and its impending bankruptcy.
6 That power plant stands there today, without any 7
hoep fo being licensed, and in fact I was reading that the 8
State Legislature in New York has passed a bill which paves 9
the way for the public takeover of Long Island Lighting 10 Company.
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power plant to date at its risk, but I consider it to be 13 at the risk of the public.
14 You have a morale obligation here to go away, to 15 consider this case, and find in favor of the people of New 16 Hampshire, our beautiful seacost, our way of life, and our 17 -
democratic way of living here.
Thank you.
18 (Applause.)
19 JUDGE WOLFE Harriet Ellen?
Steven Hurta?
20 Barbara James?
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I OF 22 23 BARBARA JAMES 24 MS. JAMES:
My name is Barbara James, and I am i Ase-Federd Reporters, Inc.
25 from Exeter, New Hampshire.
There are many, many reasons
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why we feel that Seabrook should not go on line.
But a 2
few of them I would like to reiterate here, because I have 3
been personally involved in them.
4 One is the cost that it is going to cost the 5
people of New Hampshire.
They simply cannot afford it.
6 They cannot afford the electricity that Seabrook will 7
produce.
8 I have been told that many major high technical 9
companies -- technological companies -- have been told not 10 to come to New Hampshire simoly because they cannot afford 11 the projected energy costs that will be applied there.
12 Phillips Exeter Academy where I am employed is 13 a very well-endowed institution.
They have chosen to go 14 for cogeneration, beause with all their endowments, they i
15 cannot afford electricity to be generated by Seabrook 16 Nuclear Power Plant.
17 1 If they can't afford it, what will other insti-18 tutions do that are not so well endowed?
I 19 I have worked with the fuel assistance program 20 over the years in the past, and I have dealt with many of 21 elderly in the State of New Hampshire.
I went into their 22 homes time and time again, and I saw them eating Wheaties l
23 in their regular diet because they could not afford energy.
24 They were forced to make the decision between heating and Am ree.,a n.non... inc.
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I saw people on social security incomes of three
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You can 3
well imagine what will happen if Seabrook goes on line.
4 We are talking constantly about the need for 5
energy in the State of New Hampshire, and this can be 6
argued until the cows come home, but I recently have read 7
a 1985 report in the Washington Post, which talks about the 8
many, many entrepreneurs who have developed energy and are 9
saving their states from nuclear energy.
10 california Public Utilities Commission reports 11 that the independents increased their capacity over the past 12 three years from only one hundred megawatts to two thousand 13 megawatts, about the equivalent of two nuclear reactors.
14 They are now constructing an additional twelve 15 thousand, seven hundred and fifty megawatt, one third of the i
t 16 l State's electrical.
Forty-three percent of the country's i
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Thirty from wind energy, 18 j twelve from wood and other mass burners, eight percent from l
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small hydro, seven from geo-thermal and solar.
20 f And if it hadn't been for the Reagan Administra-i 21 tions cutback in solar and alternate forms of energy, I am 22 sure that that picture would be much, much brighter.
23 Since 1983, electrical entrepreneurs installing 24 power plants averging only twelve megawatts, one one-thousandth
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as Diablo Canyon, in less than one-fifth of the time, without 2
an eight-fold increase as we have seen in Seabrook, and 3
without any protesters to bother them.
4 Similar growth in Texas, Maine, Michigan and 5
New York is taking place.
Maine';s electrical entrepreneure 6
are expected to supply one-third of the State's electricity 7
by the end of the decade.
8 The energy is out there.
All we need to do'is release some of the money that is tied up in large, centralized 9
10 nuclear forms like nuclear energy, and release it to the 11 people, and they will spend it wisely, and they will develop 12 energy that we can use.
O 13 (Applause.)
,14 I am very tired of being told by the public service 15 company that we should come up with a workable evacuation 16 plan.
They are paid well to create the danger.
They should be responsibel to come up with an escape hatch of their_own.
17 18 I am angry at the audacity of them to expect us i
19 to take all the risk and do their work for them as well.
20 I am tired of hearing, 'we are all coming out of the woodwork at the eleventh hour.'
This is simply not 21 22 true.
For the majority of us here tonight, many of us 23 24 have been at this for more years than any of us want to think Asefeder:2 9eporters, Inc.
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I would like to send a bill to Public Service Company
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at their hourly rate for all the hours over the past twelve
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or more years that we have all spent on Seabrook.
3 I have been involved, or many of us have been 4
involved since 1972 when the -- 1973, excuse me -- when the 5
hearings were held in the Portsmouth Armory.
Many have 6
supported the town warrant and town meeting upholding 7
Seabrook home rule vote against nuclear plant construction 8
at Seabrook, and the warrants on WHIP.
9 The evacuation issue has been there from the 10 very beginning.
It is not new.
Just because Public Service 11 Company is finally dealing with it.
We have all known it 12 would be impossible to evacuate the seacost, and we said 13 so, over and over again since the 1970's.
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We have researched it, and we still come up 15 the same painful conclusion.
16 Building a nuclear power plant in Seabrook was 17 Public Service Company's first mistake, not ours.
18 Once again, they are blaming the messager who 19 has brought the bad news, not the newsmaker.
They say we 20 are costing them millions each time their starting date is 21 postponed.
That, too, unfortunately is their problem, not I
22 ours.
23 They should have worked out the cost problems, the safety problem, the evacuation long before they got this 24 I As>Federd Reporters, Inc.
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Schools are not allowed to build without acceptable
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evacuation procedures.
Likewise, this plant should never 3
have been given a building permit.
4 Big private corporations like the utilities are 5
the first to scream when their democratic life and free 6
enterprise is threatened by communism, the Russians, 7
et cetera, and yet they turn around and do exactly the same 8
thing for their selfish personal gains.
9 (Applause.)
10 It doesn't matter one iota to me who takes 11 away our democratic rights and civil liberties, whether the 12 commun'ists or the capitalists, it is deadly wrong, and we e
a 13 won't allow it.
14 Chernobyl tells us just our dangerous this form 15 of energy is.
It was reported in the New York Times as much 16 long term radiation was admitted into the world's air, topsoil 17 l and water, as all the nuclear tests and bombs ever exploded.
18 This is all the news has been.
It is very important --
19 l JUDGE WOLFE:
Your five minutes are up.
l 20 MS. JAMES:
All right.
I just want to say one 21 more thing.
Let me remind you that the people of the 22 Philippines brought down a formitable dictatorship through 23 their courage, their faith and their belief in democracy, and 24 the power of the people.
Because we, too, are responsible i
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our constitution, we too, will do the same.
2 Thank you.
3 (Applause.)
4 JUDGE WOLFE:
Patty Heat?
Or Betty Heat?
5 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 6
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PATTY HOYT 8
MS. HOYY:
I am Patty Hoyt, H-o-y-t, South 9
Aimsley, Massachusetts, where I serve as a member of the 10 Aimsley Radiological Emergency Response Planning Committee.
11 I was a school member of that committee, and 12 my concern as I joined that committee, as I served'on that O
13 committee, as I still serve on that committee, has been the 14 safe evacuation of the school children.
I I am also a mother of two, and I am town meeting 15 16 representative.
i 17 l I am very proud to be from the town in Massachusetts i
18 i that began the process of withdrawing from the Emergency I
f 19 l Response Plan sham, because we knew months before Chernobyl 20 that it was impossible to safely evacuate or protect the lives 21 '
of the citizens of our community, and we in the Committee and 22 we in town meetings, refused to participate in a sham, and what 23 I am asking you gentlemen this evening to convey to the rest 24 of the Federal Administration in every office, in every level, Ace-Feded Reporters, Inc.
25 is the fact that we citizens here do know what is going on.
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O that we don't have to tolerate it, and we are very concerned 2
3 with the pr.ocess that has been present up until this time.
What I would like to do is just express a couple 4
5 of particular things that led to my participation on the committee, and particular things that I feel are the most 6
dominant concerns, so there should not be a license given, 7
8 low p wer, full power, any power, to Seabrook Station ever.
It is inconceivable to me that anyone would 9
10 consider a five billion dollar price tag anywhere close 11 near the value of one child.
A Massachusetts child, a New Hampshire child, 12 13 any child.
That life is always more valuable than a five ja billion dollar operation.
Another concern that I have is that as a parent, 15 16 the parents concerns were not addressed in any form by the evacuation committee
-- in the evacuation plans -- ever in j7 ;
any f rm.
There has not been any attempt.to allow for 18 39 human response in the plan.
As a teacher, I was forced to be in a position 20 as these offices will be, as any other employee will be, 21 f choosing between my role as a mother or protecting any 22 23 member of my family, and being in a position of fulfilling 24 a moral obligation of the students in my possession at the Ano Feder:2 Reporters, Inc.
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an answer where the responsibility of the right of priv, ate industry comes in trying to dicate to me, as a public 4
S employee, that I must obey a plan that I had no input in deriving in the first place.
6 And I have yet to have that answered.
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that is yet one more question that has to be settled by 8
the courts.
9 10 And I will be very willing to listen to anyone it who has come up with an answer to that.
I do hope that you gentlemen have listened to 12
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You know that we are here.
That 15 we are aware of what is going on.
We have certainly read 16 1 the reports of Chernobyl, and I think that anyone who has l
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heard the stories abouththe children being sent off to permanent summer camps without their families, I think 18 any parent knows what a horrow show that must be to live j9 through.
20 Please don't make us go through that.
21 (Applause.)
22 JUDGE WOLFE:
Herb Moyer?
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MR. MOYER:
My name is Herb Moyer.
I live in 2
Exeter, and I appreciate the opportunity to once again 3
participate in the NRC licensing hearing.
It adds a new 4
dimension to the term, ' underdog.'
5 It also adds a new sense of meaning to the term 6
child care and the term stewardship, because that is what 7
the people who are here to tell you what they know, and how they feel about this process, are really doing.
8 It is an experience in child care.
It is an 9
10 experience in service to our stewardship responsibilities.
11 I would like to' highlight two problem areas as 12 I have studied the NRC hearing. process over the years, and 13 in particular through a Union of Concerned Scientists 14 Report, entitled something essentially to the effect of Ten Years of NRC -- I forget the title exactly, but it 15,
i 16 essentially is a look at the NRC's 10 year abdication of i
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Often, the NRC Commissioners are unaw-re of 21 decisions made by sub-units within the Agency.
I am not sure 22 if that is by design or simply by the fact that it is such 23
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3 clearly we are here with our own political agenda.
We would 4
like you to carry that message back to Washington.
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People that I hear speaking are certainly aware 6
of what that is.
They are not speaking essentially just 7
out of emotion, however.
They understand exactly how 8
unforgiving nuclear technology is.
They undertand human 9
behavior under adverse conditions.
10 They understand about the quality of construction 11 that Seabrook represents.
They understand about power 12 politics, and they understand about well-meaning Federal i
13 bureaucrats who have the ability to rationalize away any 14 issue which threatens the long-term security of the 15,
nuclear regulatory industry.
16 What you must realize is that the heartfelt and 17 highly emotional response that you felt here in New Hampshire 18 is entirely appropriate under the circumstances.
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19 are responding as they should when they perceive their 20 property, their lives, and their families lives placed at 21 risk.
As Doctor George Woodwell, a scientist at the 22 23 Woodshole Oceanographic Insitutute recently wrote:
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3 (Applause.)
4 JUDGE WOLFE:
Sandy Mitchell?
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MS. MITCHELL:
Good evening Judge Wolfe, Judge 9
Harbour, Mr. Dignan, Ms. Sellack.
I have virtually nothing 10 to say that hasn't been said here tonight.
If I were to Il say it, it would go on forever.
You have heard it all 12 tonight.
O 13 I want to speak to you because I am the civil 14 defense director from the Town of Kensington, New Hampshire, i
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while lies four miles as the plume flies from the contain-16 ment building.
17l I have been given the obligation of providing for 18 the safety of the citizens of the Town of Kensington, an 19 l obligation that I take extremely seriously on all levels.
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20 I zttend NRC hearings.
I attend State civil defense training l
21 courses, I read all the documents that Wilkes and Gray sends 22 to me.
And I take my job very, very seriously.
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ever plan a prepared response to an emergency.
We don't have 2
to even go to that step as far as we are concerned.
I feel 3
that the State civil defeinse in New Hampshire, the New 4
Hampshire Attorney, and the Governor of New Hampshire don't 5
quite understand that their job is not to comply with i
6 licensing regulations.
7 They are not in the position to fulfill require-8 ments for a nuclear plant license.. I am not in a position 9
to fulfill those requirements, and I refuse to fulfill those j
10 requirements.
Wilkes and Gray is doing a marvelous job of 11 it all on their own.
12 As the ASLB, you are the Atomic Safety Licensing 13 Board.
You have h'eard;that over and over again tonight.
t 14 You are also not in the sole job of licensing or complying I
15 with the licensing requirements of nuclear power plants.
You 16 have a dual obligation.
17 You have been accused of being biased and blind 18 to the industry.
Although I must say I am pleased to see 19 that you are not belligerent as Judge Hoyt is.
It is a 20 pleasure to deal with you gentlemen.
You have done very 21 well, and I am very pleased to see your performance here.
22 You are onsite judges, and you did not have the strict 23 Obligation to hear offsite issues, yet you have taken the O
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Brinh back to Judge Hoyt it is her duty to hear As pesers Reponen, inc.
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Remind her that when she comes here for i
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4 JUDGE WOLFE:
Dean Merchant?
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MR. MERCHANT:
My name is Dean Merchant, and 9
-- my name is Dean Merchant, and I am a resident of Stratham, 10 a town within the ten mile EPZ, and am one of the Stratham 11 residents who on primary day signed a petition that you, 12 the members of the NRC, not grant a low power license for O
13 the Seabrook Nuclear Station.
14 Signing a petition is not taken likely by the 15 people in New Hampshire.
A signature on such a petition 16 is the accumulation of much thought and deliberation, and 17 '
demonstrates the vital importance of your decision.
18 l In New Hamoshire, we take our health, safety, and i
19 i welfare seriously.
We require a safety course to be passed 20 before a license is given to hunt, and a gun is not loaded 21 until it is ready :tx> be used.
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This careful preparation has not been taken for 3
the safe operation of Seabrook Station.
Questions remain A
unanswered and the so-called evacuation plans are 5
unacceptable.
6 If a low-power license is given to Seabrook 7
Station, we are asking for the inevitable accident to occur.
8 Furthermore, the cost of decommissioning 9
nuclear' power reactors is highly speculative.
In effect 10 all the figures put forward are guesses based on numerous 11 uncertain assumptions and varying degrees of wishful 12 thinking.1 The important question of wher to dispose of
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14 for tens of thousands of years, longer than recorded history 15 remains unanswered.
16 Stipulation laws have been enacted in countries 17 such as Belgium, Finland, the Netherlands, Sweden, Switzer-18 land, West Germany and Japan.
These laws made continued 19 use of construction of nuclear power facilities contingent 20 upon the development of satisfactory plans for managing 21 the spent fuel and reactor waste.
22 Paul Leventhal, President of the Nuclear Control 23 Institute in Washington D.C. has said that of primary concern f'
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a strategic Air Command on the fringe of the 10-mile EPZ?
4 It would be faulty judgment to allow a nuclear 5
Power plant to operate in such proximity to a SAC base which 6
itself could be vulnerable to a terrorist attack.
7 Based on the information availlable to us today, 8
not on decisions made yesterday and with foresight into 9
tomorrow, I ask you, the members of'the NRC to search your 10 hearts, minds and souls and remain constant to the high 11 ideals of Americans in public positions who protect and 12 serve us all, and we depend on your decision.
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14 JUDGE WOLFE:
Pam Bruning.
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16 Chris Harper.
4 17 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 18 OF 19 CHRIS HARPER 20 MR. HARPER:
My name is Chris Harper, and I 21 am a residnet of Exeter, New Hampshire.
22 I work for Federal Research Cuncils in three 23 different countries.
My field is nuclear physics.
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3 I think my good friends who are around me tonight 4
really deserve your ears.
The people I have bee n' hearing 5
tonight have a lot to say and I trust that all of the 6
remarks that you have heard tonight will help in a decision-7 making process.
8 It is all our hopes that the decision has not 9
already been taken in the minds of the people who are 10 listening to these testimonies.
11 I have three points that I would like to make, 12 and I would like you to bear these in mind in this decision-(en) 13 making process.
14 The first point is to set this thing in it.s 15 historical perspective.
The nuclear industry and the aero-16 space industry were both born out of the contingencies of 17 World War II.
They both have that kind of aura of secrecy 18 about them.
19 The aerospace industry has done a better job 20 of coming out in the open, but no aerospace engineer worth 21 his salt would say that an aerospace system is fault free, 22 that it will never have an accident.
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Accidents occur in the aerospace
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The second p'oint I would like to make, given (3s) 2 the fact that an accident is likely is that the population l
3 simply has no protection by evacuation.
4 To talk about evacuation and to talk about 5
sheltering plus evacuation plus evacuation is a lethal 6
idea.
When a bomb is dropped directly above you, it is 7
the only. thing you can do is to bury yourself underground.
8 But to try and run away from Seabrook is 9
impossible, and it is silly to go on talking about 10 miles, 10 2 miles, half a mile or whatever.
It just won't work, and 11 there has been enough testimony tonight I think to assure 12 us th~at it won't work, and we have heard for months and
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14 The thir'd point I would like to to make, and 15 I really would implore the Board in this regard.
More and 16 more evidence is coming out that there is no low threshold 17 to radiation, that even the lowest level of radiation is 18 dangerous, that cancers can develop in fact more frequently 19 with low-level radiation than with high-level radiation 20 where cells are simply killed.
21 And as this information trickles down, I think 22 we are going to see finally the realization that an industry i
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4 Thank you for your patience.
5 (Applause.)
6 JUDGE WOLFE:
Bob Sperner.
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8 Don Schultz.
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10 Roger Easton.
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12 Katy Demay.
r( w)e 13 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 14 OF 15 SUSAN PERLEY GATES 16 MS. GATES:
I am not Katy Demay.
She spoke 17 last night and has given me permission to speak in her 18 place.
My name is Susan Perley Gates, G-a-t-e-s.
19 I do want to thank you, Judge, for allowing 20 us to speak and for listening with your ears and your 21 tape recorders, and I would like to urge you to allow your-22 self to listen with your heart, allow yourself the courage 23 to listen with your heart to what has been said tonight.
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I have a little song here for you, and I think 10 it is only fair just to summarize the opinions of some jj people who might be in favor of Seabrook since there are 12 too many of those kind here tonight.
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I don't know if any df you have a relative 13 34 named Margaret or a wife or a daughter or a mother, but this song, and maybe it is just coincidence if you do, but 15 16 this sone is called To My Wife, Margaret From Your Loving j7 It is the song of a staunch Seabrook supporter.
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j9 What is all the huff about a nuclear plant?
It has got to be safe if they give it the stamp of approval.
20 21 Margaret, Margaret, you know we needn't worry, it is a 10-mile drive.
Besides we need that power, honey, just to 22 23 stay alive.
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And while you are in there why don't you turn 4
on the electric hedge trimmer and get it warmed up.
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the game I'll go out and work in the garden.
6 Margaret, Margaret, Margaret, we can bar the 7
doors, pull the shades and close our eyes
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of it, Margaret, Margaret, Margaret.
9 So they had a litttle trouble over at Chernobyl.
10 Well, that is their business, honey.
It really isn't 11 global, Margaret, Margaret, Margaret.
12 Yes, so they lost a little land, What the heck,
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Some people have trouble with that, 14 but I haven't any, Margaret, Margaret, Margaret.
15 We can bar the doors, pull the shades.and close 16 our eyes.
Don't be afraid of it, Margaret, Margaret, Margaret 17 Eesides, this State is growing at an unprecedented 18 rate.
If there is an accident, honey, it is just our fate, 19 Margaret, Margaret, Margaret.
20 And, frankly, honey, I'm not really that 21 concerned about the future when it is the economy now we 22 really need to nurture, Margaret, Public Service, Margaret.
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and it is ominous and dense, Margaret, Margaret, Margaret.
5 Well, he says that plant exploded.
I thought it was just a test.
Call the kids in, honey, something 6
is foul in the nest, Margaret, Margaret, Margaret.
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close our eyes.
Don't be afraid, Margaret -- Margaret --
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ja JUDGE WOLFE:
Patricia Brady.
15 (No response. )
16 Jack Brady.
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18 Steven Foute.
j9 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 20 OF 21 JEFF BRADY 22 MR. BRADY:
My name is Jeff Brady.
I am from 23 Barrington, New Hampshire.
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Lindsey Cole.
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OF 10 LINDSEY COLE 11 MS. COLE:
My name is Lindsey Cole from Exeter, 12 New Hampshire.
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13 As a teacher in the Exeter School District ja last year I was given a questionnaire by the superintendent 15 three days before the end of shcool.
It asked me to respond 16 to my responsibilities as outlined in Draft 4 of the 17 radiological emergency response plan.
18 Question 1 asked, given your responsibilities 19 described in Draft 4, copy attached, will you be available 20 to supervise students and accompany them to the reception 21 center which is Manchester Memorial High School?
22 I would like to give you the results of that 23 survey in Exeter.
Out of 125 teachers who answered the
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after reviewing four drafts of the evacuation plan, that 7
the Exeter School Board still has not after many hours of 8
w rk and many suggestions given by the superintendent and the board, they have not seen a plan that they feel is 9
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jj She said to me, and I want to quote this to 12 you, "There is no way we can guarantee that Exeter school f) children can be safely evacuated to Manchester where their J
13 j4 parents are supposed to pick them up." This is the dilemma 15 they find themselves in.
16 She said to me also that she had a letter stating 37 that she would be getting, or they would be getting Draft No. 5 in September.
I don't need to remind you this is 18 the last day of September and they have not seen this 5th j9 20 draft yet.
21 During the summer Mrs. Tucker was one of a 22 gr up f Exeter residents who met with the Governor of New 23 Hampshire about the plan in Exeter and his response to her i
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concerns.
He obviuously doesn't take our concerns seriously 3
and he won't answer the hard questions, many of which have 4
been articulated here tonight.
5 As far as Mrs. Tucker and I are concerned, we 6
do not have a plan in Exeter to evacuate its 2,630 students.
7 A new plan was supposed to have been delivered, as I said, 8
and it has not appeared yet.
9 As a teacher, a mother and a business owner 10 in the seacoast, I am enraged that we are being asked to 11 take this unacceptable risk.
We are risking everything 12 and everyone we have and love for a few years of profit I.
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Lisa Ray Howitz.
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MR. MONTVILLE:
I am Bruce Montville.
I am 23 from Hampton.
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JUDGE WOLFE:
Nealia Sargent.
5 (No response.)
6 Ron Ahrens.
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Nealia is here.
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OF 10 NEALIA SARGENT 11 MS. SARGENT:
My name is Nealia Sargent.
I 12 13 live Kittering, Maine.
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I don't know where to 15 begin because this process, the violation of the democratic 16 process it would seem to me is so scarey.
My family has been in New Hampshire for over 17 18 200 years, and home rule is a very sacred tradition for 19 us in New England and New Hampshire and as well the' rest i
20 of the country.
The Democratic opposition to this plant is 21 22 clearly stated, and 10-years of self-education in grass-roots work in the nuclear opposition has left me feeling 23 24 very strongly that we have no choice.
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and I ask you how do you participate in the Nuclear 4
Regulatory Commission in monitoring an industry that violates 5
ur Democratic Constitutional guarantees?
6 I do not ask you to answer us here tonight, 7
but I ask you to take that home with you and think about 8
it.
Ethically how do you participate?
9 We have a sacred responsibility to the 7th 10 generation on beyond our children's children, and the jj stewardship of the sacredness of life that we hold --
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Everything is changed j4 eXCept the way we think.
I hope tonight you can listen with your 16 hearts and that as you weigh this decision you will weigh j7 this within the voice of your inner conscience and your 18 inner voice.
j9 Please listen with your hearts, and please 20 remember the 7th generation.
21 Thank you.
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23 JUDGE WOLFE:
Ron Ahrens.
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My name is Ron Ahrens and I live in Concord.
5 In 1948 the peaceful atom, safe energy, too cheap to meter, and it was at the time at the birth of the nuclear age that Albert Einstein gave us phrophetic words.
The splitting of the atom has changed everything, 9
except our ways of thinking.
Thus we drift towards unparalleled catastrophe.
And so a certain phantasy con-tinues, a certain phantasy of omnipotence.
The current lifetime of our nucl'ar reactors e
pans a mere 40 years for the,most part.
Current projections of containment for high-level radioactive waste give us a hundred year lee.st on life.
We.have been asked by the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to produce technical 8
information to deal with a technical problem.
9 Take a moment to consider this fact.
Our 20 sun has a projected life span of well over four billion years -- four billion years.
Since 1948 our collective intelligence has created over 50,000 nuclear weapons and generated over 4,600 cubic meters of high-level radioactive
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our government and the military is very clear to many of 3
us.
4 I wonder sometimes as a day-care worker when 5
I get up in the twilight at 5:30 to prepare to greet the 6
next generation of children what kind of legacy we are 7
leaving them, and it seems to absurd to think that we humans 8
as a species will continue to hold dominion in the golden 9
years of this planet's evolution, four billion years from 10 now.
It is hard for me with as many children as I am carying Il for to consider bringing even one child into such a world.
12 It is truly sad.
O la 1e is sed to know thet ontv two vercene, 14 242 million of the Department of Energy's $10 billion 15 budget goes into exploring alternatives such as solar, wind, 16 geothermal, hydroelectric or other forms of generating 17 safe energy.
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. is said that with 65 percent of the annual 19 budget going into nuclear weapons research and development 20 and over 50 percent of energy research and devleopment 21 going into nuclear fission and fusion that your role in 22 helping create a safety energy future for our citizens 23 and children would be so biased and narrowly defined.
Q 24 It is sad to know that 16,000 Navaho, Denai, Ace 4_rd Reporters, Inc.
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from the ancestral homelands in Arizona so that the huge
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rape the earth today as indiginous peoples that we here' 4
in New Hamphire hold so previous..
5 How ironic that it has taken us hundreds of 6
years to discover a common heritage, the earth, that unites 7
us with our Native American brothers and sisters.
8 I wish you to take a moment of silence for 9
all the people who have taken time out to parepare for 10 these many meetings over the mean years, the people that 11 have died in the Nevada test sites as soldiers serving 12 this country, the Native Americans, Karen Silkwood, so many
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13 people that have given their lives to try and halt this, 14 to give a moment of silence in their honor.
15 (Moment of silence. )
16 Thank you for that moment of silence.
17 You know it is kind of funny, I mean just even 18 today as I was working I would try to think about what I 19 was going to prepare for this evening, and I looked at 20 what was happening with the children in the day care, and 21 I tried to kind of look at what was happening here on the 22 Seacoast over these many years, and I just kind of had 23 this perverted sense of humor that came over me.
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And we just 3
wonder when it is going to end.
We want it to end, and 4
we want to bring it out in such a way that the truth of 5
what we want to have happen is going to happen.
6 I feel really confounded to try and find the 7
energy to keep coming up with it, but as long as that plant 8
is going to be built we are just going to keep coming back.
9 I have a really brief song to share that I have 10 Passed out the words to people so that they can join us 11 because I think sometimes we need to get out of just the 12 intellect of what we are doing and keep connecting with
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16 Give me the steady flow of a waterfall 17 Give me the spirit of living things as they 18 return to clay 19 Give me the restless power of the wind 20 Give me the comforting glow of a wood fire 21 But please take all your atomic poison power 22 away.
23 Everybody needs some power I'm told
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9 JUDGE WOLFE:
We started a little bit late 10 tonight.
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Debi Reger is here.
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MS. REGER:
My name is Debi Reger.
Sometimes I indexxx 10 go by Jane Whitecrow.
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Okay.
Okay, Mr. Wolfe and Mr. Harbour, 15 that's who I'm speaking to?
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Yes.
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Great.
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18 just need to address the process a little bit.
I have a 19 very hard time with heirarchy.
And I would prefer that 20 these meetings could happen in circles, that we could look 21 at each other, that I wouldn' t have to put my back to my 22 friends and neighbors.
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would not have to make these kinds of decisions.
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the nurturers of the earth and the caretakers and the life 5
givers.
And, I know that you know that.
6 And, I also know that you are turning off right 7
now, that you are not hearing me, you are not looking at me.
8 And, that's really too bad, because I have a right to be 9
here and I have a right to speak.
And, what I have to say 10 is just as important.
It may not be technical, but it's 11 so often called truth to power.
12 When we do our non-violence preparations, we put
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And, it is so often 14 the people speaking the truth to the power, to the heirarchy, 15 to the patriarchy.
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17 I wrote down a few things so I could remember to 18 mention them.
And one is, for everyone here, it really 19 upsets me when we continue to acknowledge the archaic 20 language of the New Hampshire Constitution.
Why can't we 21 change the gender?
Why can't we be inclusive of half of 22 the world' population?
We really need to say men and women.
23 If it's not written in the books, it's time for us to start 24 saying it, and again and again.
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eggs.
The mothers are building their nests.for the next 9
generation of turtles.
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As Nehlia said, to the future seven generations, 14 that every deliberation, every decision that we make must be 15 made with that in mind.
16 And, I hope that you will remember your dreams after 17 you have experienced New Hampshire.
I hope that you will go 18 back and you will remember that we are weaving in your dreams.
19 We are all part of the web of life.
We are part 20 of it.
We are breathing part of it.
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22 I also want to remind you that there is no person 23 in the future.
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9 JUDGE WOLFE:
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You can do it.
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14 JUDGE WOLFE:
Paul Gunther.
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Hi.
My name is Paul Gunther.
I am 19 from Warner, New Hampshire.
And I'm a resident of those --
20 one of those nearly 100 towns that voted against the 21 production, transportation, storage and burial of nuclear 22 waste, which your counterparts, the Department of Energy, 23 came here to this state looking for a place to bury the O
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And I think that we have the common 9
sense and we have the support of the common people, and I 10 think that Warner being one of those 100 towns is going to I
11 be part of -- this was the straw poll that was taken at the 12 town meeting, and that's going to reflect that this poll 13 coming up in November and the battle against this nuke will l
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19 JUDGE WOLFE:
Tom Andrews.
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State Senator Tom Andrews cannot 21 be able to make it tonight but will try to make it on Friday 22 night.
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Dr. Murray Tye.
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13 Hampton Beach homeowners on the Seabrook side of the Hampton 14 River, which is the most vulnerable of all the area to a 15 plant catastrophe, as we have to go back towards the plant in 16 order to get away from the contamination.
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it is like to obtain medical care during a crisis.
6 I was involved with the infamous 1942 coconut 7
grove fire in Boston, one of the worst catastrophes to ever 8
hit the fire where there were virtually no master plans at 9
the time to cope with that event.
10 Concerned with this issue, I wrote to Administra-l t
11 tors of hospitals within the area asking them how they would 12 cope with a nuclear emergency.
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The 17 problem with this is that the waste water goes into our sewage 18 system.
We feel that we cannot properly handle the numerous 19 patients that become contaminated.
20 The Barnes Sequoia Hospital in Methuan:
The 21 procedure does not deal with catastrophic events such as 22 nuclear explosion or massive contamination of population due 23 to nuclear war, nuclear reactor accident and so forth.
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matters, I would be more than pleased to receive this from 7
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8 Hale Hospital, Haverhill:
Contaminated waste 9
water will be discharged into city sewers.
Contaminated 10 clothing will be bagged and turned over to authorized state I
11 or federal personnel.
Clearly, in the event of a meltdown or 12 other theoretically possible accidents, most of the victims i
13 would suffer from (a) contamination (b) hysteria.
The 14 second problem would be much harder to deal with than the 15 first.
Building security, crowd control and high speed 16 processing would be extremely important.
17 Another consideration for the Hale is that we I
18 have only one Geiger counter and no alpha detector.
19 The Lawrence General was much of the same order.
20 The rest of the hospitals did not respond with a written 21 repo rt.
22 We want you to understand that my purpose for 23 appearing before you is not just to solely criticize the O
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and state officials now in coping with contaminated water j
6 and sewer systems and other vital irradiated resources, as well as seeing that they have adequate monitoring equipment, 7
that some provision be made for contaminating -- decontaminating 8
9 vehicles and people driving away from the danger area.
i 10 This would require a recording of all of the 11 people, who the people are, along with yet untested procedures i
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For these reasons, I hereby formally request that this letter be read into the public record and that the record renain open for the period O of seven working days so that I and others who have not had the opportunity to prepare cannents on such sudden notice may have the right to provide input into this process.
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(Seabrook Station, Units 1 and 2)
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I as writing in view of your decision yesterday to reconsider the restriction of public testimony during these iraportant hearings on matters pertaining to on-site energency planning for Seabrook Station, and w=naa I
cannot physically be at the hearings this evening because Congress is in Session with votes scheduled.
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This is to certify that the attached proceedings before the UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION in the matter of:
NAME OF PROCEEDING:
PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, et al.
(Seabrook Station, Units 1 and 2)
DOCKET NO.:
50-443 OL, 50-444 OL; ONSITE EMERGENCY PLANNING AND TECHNICAL ISSUES PLACE:
PORTSMOUTH, NEW HAMPSHIRE DATE:
TUESDAY,' SEPTEMBER 30, 1986 were held as herein appears, and that this is the original transcript thereof for the file of the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
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