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| From: | Acquario W, Hartgen D, Kilduff C, Millspaugh R LONG ISLAND LIGHTING CO., NEW YORK, STATE OF |
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[0 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA h- ' H )b ERANC" NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION BEFORE THE ATOMIC SAFETY AND LICENSING BOARD
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _x In the Matter of:
Docket No. 50-322-OL-3 LONG ISLAND LIGHTING COMPANY (Emergency Planning)
(Shoreham Nuclear Power Station, Unit 1)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _x DEPOSITION OF ROBERT C.
MILLSPAUGH, CHALRES E.
- KILDUFF, DAVID T.
- HARTGEN, Ph.D.,
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ACQUARIO l
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Tuesday, March 3, 1987 ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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gi STATE OF New YORK EXECUTIVE CHAMBER ALDANY 12224 FABI AN PALOMINO Special Counsel to the Governor May 28, 1987 Ace - Federal Reporters, Inc.
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Dear Ace - Federal Reporters,
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I am attaching the original deposition transcript of Messrs. Millspaugh, Kilduff, llartgen and Acquario.
Only Messrs. Millspaugh and llartgen have signed the transcriptbecause the others have been withdrawn as witnesses.
Please file this transcript as appropriate.
Sin erely, Richard nteuter RJZ:lt Deputy Special 1:ounsel to the Governor
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The following was marked for Identification:
EXH. 1 A photocopy of resume of William J.
Acquario.
PAGE 5 LINE 21 The following was marked for Identification:
EXH. 2 A photocopy of resume of David T.
Hartgen.
PAGE 6 LINE 10 The following was marked for Identification:
EXH. 3 A photocopy of resume of Charles E.
Kilduff.
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EXH. 4 A photocopy of resume of Robert C.
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APPEARANCES:
HUNTON & WILLIAMS, By JAMES N.
CHRISTMAN, ESQ.,
2 P.O.
Box 1535, Richmond, Virginia
- 23212, 3
Appearing for LILCO.
4 RICHARD J.
ZAHNLEUTER, ESQ.,
Deputy Special Counsel to the Governor, 5
Executive Chamber, The Capitol, Room 229, 6
Albany, New York
- 12224, Appearing for State of New York.
7 KIRKPATRICK & LOCKHART, 8
By CHRISTOPHER M.
McMURRAY, ESQ.,
South Lobby - 9th Floor, 9
1800 M Street, N.W.,
Washington, D.C.
20036-5891, 10 Appearing for Suffolk County.
O 11 12 MR. CHRISTMAN:
This is a deposition in the 13 Shoreham -- Shoreham Licensing Proceeding before the 14 Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Docket No.
15 50-322-OL-3.
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17 three reception centers for evacuees designated under 18 the emergency plan for Shoreham Station.
19 May I ask each of the four witnesses who are 20 here from the New York State Department of 21 Transportation to identify himself by name and title, O
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if you would.
2 Mr. Millspaugh, you first.
3 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Robert C.
Millspaugh, and I'm 4
the -- I work in the Department of Transportation 5
Division of Traffic and Safety, and I'm supervisor of 6
the Traffic Engineering Design Review.
7 MR. KILDUFF:
Charles Kilduff.
I work in 8
Hauppauge, which is Long Island.
I supervise the 9
Project Development Section in the Planning 10 Development Group.
11 DR. HARTGEN:
I'm David T.
Hartgen.
I'm 12 Director of Statistics and Analysis for Department of 13 Transportation.
14 MR. ACQUARIO:
William J.
Acquario, Director of 15 the Bureau of Transit Management Assistance.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: Dr. Hartgen, I understand you've 17 been designated to testify in the Shoreham proceeding 18 before the NRC about the suitability of the reception 19 centers for the Shoreham plan.
Is that your 20 understanding too?
21 DR. HARTGEN:
All four of us are so designated.
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1 MR. CHRISTMAN: All four of you are going to be 2
witnesses at that proceeding?
3 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN:
When were you asked to be a
,5 witness on this subject at this proceeding?
6 DR. HARTGEN:
I received a phone call from Mr.
7 Zahnleuter on February 9th, I believe.
8 MR. CHRISTMAN: How about you, Mr. Millspaugh, 9
when did you?
10 MR. MILLSPAUGHz I don't recall.
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11 look at my calendar, which I don't have with me.
I 12 believe it was maybe a day or so later, but --
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mr. Kilduff?
14 MR. KILDUFF:
The 17th of February.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mr. Acquario, when were you asked 16 to be a witness in this proceeding?
17 MR. ACQUARIO:
About the 9th or 10th of 18 February.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN: Let me, Mr. Acquario, show you a 20 copy of what I think is your resume.
It's certainly 21 entitled resume of William J.
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MR. ACQUARIO:
Okay.
2 MR. CHRISTMAN: I ask you if that's a current 3
copy of your professional resume.
4 MR. ACQUARIO:
Yes.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: I'd like the court reporter to 6
label this Exhibit 1 pretty soon.
I'll ask it to be 7
bound in the back of the transcript.
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11 12 MR. CHRISTMAN: Why don't I give each of you what 13 I think is a copy of your professional resume.
14 Let me ask you first, Dr. Hartgen, does that 15 appear to be a copy of your resume?
16 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN: Let me give it to the corrt i
18 reporter and ask her to designate that Exhibit number 19 2.
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EXH. 2 A photocopy of resume of David T.
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MR. CHRISTMAN: And Mr. Kilduff, the same, same 4
question.
Is that your current resume?
5 MR. KILDUFF:
Yes.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: If you would hand that to the 7
court reporter, we will ask her to designate that as 8
Exhibit number 3.
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EXH. 3 A photocopy of resume of Charles 11 E.
Kilduff.
12 13 MR. CHRISTMAN: And Mr. Millspaugh, is that a 14 copy of your professional resume?
15 MR. MILLSPAUGHz Yes.
l 16 MR. CHRISTMAN: And I'll ask the court reporter 17 to designate that Exhibit number 4.
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1 MR. CHRISTMAN: Now, let me see.
Let me give you 2
back the Exhibits 1 through 4 to the respective 3
people and ask each of you is there any additions or 4
updating which you need to do on those documents, any 5
recent publications, speeches, professional 6
activities that are not reflected in those resumes 7
that you would add if you had the chance?
8 Hearing no such additions --
9 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I'd like to make a correction 10 on my employment with the State.
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11 last page in the resume, it it says that I started 12 with the State September 1961.
That's true.
But at 13 the time, there was no such thing as a New York State 14 Department of Transportation.
That came in 1967.
15 So, I actually started with the Department of 16 Motor Vehicles on the staff of the State Traffic h
17 Commission, which was -- which agency was later 18 merged into the new department.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN: I see.
20 MR. MILLSPAUGHz Just want to clear that up.
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actually it was Department of Public Works at that 3
time.
They just changed the name somewhere along the 4
line.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: Does anyone else have anything i
6 that they think should be added or changed?
7 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I could add again to mine, this 8
resume was made up as a requirement for getting on 9
the project panel on the Transportation Research 10 Board.
I am now -- I've been accepted.
As a matter 11 of fact, on Sunday I'll be going down to Washington L
12 for that purpose.
13-MR. CHRISTMAN: Anyone else have any changes or 14 additions of that sort?
15 Why don't you keep your resumes in front of 16 you.
I'll ask at the end of the deposition the court 17 reporter bind the four documents, Exhibits 1 through 18 4,
into the transcript.
Since there may be questions 19 on it, why don't you keep it in front of you just in 20 case for now.
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testifying before the NRC on the reception centers 2
under the Shoreham plan.
Has any of the four of you 3
developed any opinions about the suitability of those 4
reception centers?
5 Dr. Hartgen?
6 DR. HARTGEN:
We have just begun the process of 7
looking at this information.
We have looked at some 8
of the questions related to traffic around the 9
reception centers, the routes between those centers 10 at the EPZ.
We have reviewed material that has been y)E hG L7 11 provided to us; so beginning the process of forming is 12 opinions.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: What material has been provided 14 to you?
Describe it as best you can recall.
15 DR. HARTGEN:
We have portions of the plan 16 itself, as we stated, those portions relating to SifE5 17 operation of the M s, and also of the traffic (TTM 18 analysis by a firm known as KLD, I believe.
19 Third item we have is a document referring to 20 procedures.
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2 And fourthly, we have some detailed routing 3
materials describing primarily the routing of each of 4
the zone -- zone population residents from the EPZ to 5
the sites.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: Are you saying that those four 7
sets of documents are all that you have before you 8
right now, or is there more?
9 DR. HARTGEN:
I believe that's all.
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I believe the question was what O_
11 was provided to them, and I think they have answered 12 the question.
t 13 MR. CHRISTMAN: That's all?
Those four documents 14 are all that have been provided to you so far?
15 DR. HARTGEN:
Yeah.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: Is that all anyone else remembers 17 having been provided?
18 MR. ACQUARIO:
That's all.
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received revised pages on various of those documents, 2
and we have also received Interrogatories referring 3
to scanning times for vehicles and people.
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have --
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
Have all four of you 6
pretty much received the same set of documents?
7 MR. KILDUFF:
No, I haven't received some of the 8
material.
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12 MR. KILDUFF:
No.
That we had gotten at the 13 region.
14 MR. ACQUARIO:
No.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
Mr. Acquario, what do you 16 remember looking at, what documents?
17 MR. ACQUARIO:
I looked at some of the -- some 18 of the revised plan documents that have been provided 19 to us.
That's all I've seen.
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I don't know what it is.
I mean, 2
it appears to be a plan of evacuation regarding the 3
new reception center, the three reception centers, 4
the traffic patterns from the EPZ to the reception 5
centers, and then the documents in the plan on 6
scanning testing.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you believe all these 8
documents were generated by the lighting company or 9
its consultants as opposed --
10 MR. ACQUARIO:
I believe that.
O 11 MR. CHRISTMAN: Is that true of all the materials 12 you have looked at so far?
13 All four witnesses are nodding yes.
Try to 14 answer orally rather than gesturally.
15 MR. ACQUARIO:
Yes, at least that's what I 16 think.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN: Dr. Hartgen, since you mentioned 18 the detailed routing material, and apparently some 19 have not seen those on the panel, can you,give me a 20 little more full description of those routing 21 materials, describing the zones you said and I guess ob jack w. hunt and associates, inc.
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2 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes.
The document I saw contains 3
proposed routes for each of a number of subzones of 4
the EPZ zones and suggest particular roads that would 5
be traveled by residents of that zone to one of the 6
three reception centers.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: But this is separate from the KLD 8
analysis, I take it, because you mentioned that as a 9
second item you looked at.
10 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes, it's a separate document.
l OLCo' 11 MR. CHRISTMAN: Does this come out of the T& sag 12 plan procedures, do you know?
13 DR. HARTGEN:
I believe that it does.
14 MR. KILDUFF:
Material we received was really 15 poorly labeled as to what source that it was.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: You received this from counsel?
17 MR. KILDUFF:
I received it in a package.
I'm 18 not sure who sent it, or I assume the counsel.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN: It was an anonymous package?
20 MR. KILDUFF:
Huh?
21 MR. CHRISTMAN: Was it an anonymous package
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2 MR. KILDUFF:
I believe it came from Dr.
3 Hartgen's office.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN: So, Dr. Hartgen's office sent a 5
copy of this material to you, Mr. Kilduff?
6 MR. KILDUFF:
To my office.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: To your office, I see.
And who 8
handed the package to you?
9 MR. KILDUFF:
My supervisor.
10 MR. CHRISTMAN: I see, okay.
And Dr. Hartgen, 11 whom did you get these materials from?
12 DR. HARTGEN:
I received it from Mr. McMurray.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: All right.
And Mr. Acquario, how 14 did you come by these materials that you looked at?
15 MR. ACQUARIO:
Through Dr. Hartgen.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: So, Dr. Hartgen, you were sort of 17 of the central person who got the documents first and
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Yes.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN: And I guess, Mr. Millspaugh, 21 that's the consensus with your experience?
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Yes.
2 MR. CHRISTMAN: Dr. Hartgen,.have you any 3
concerns or criticisms, however preliminary they 4
might be, about the plan to use these three 5
facilities as reception centers?
6 DR. HARTGEN:
As I indicated earlier, we have 7
just begun the analysis.
Our preliminary concerns 8
relate to a number of subject areas.
Our concerns 9
are primarily in the form of questions asked.
We 10 have not answered the -- answered the issues in 11 enough detail to determine whether the concerns are 12 warranted, but our preliminary reading relates to, as 13 I say, concerns of a number of subjects.
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background growth on Long Island and construction, 2
other known plans that may interrupt the flow of 3
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As I say, these concerns are not 8
quantified.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
First one you mentioned 10 was the capacity of the roads from the EPZ to these 11 three reception sites.
Let me -- reception center 12 sites.
13 Let me ask you first, Dr. Hartgen, so to lay a i
14 background in the transcript in case anybody else 15 reads this, would you describe the three reception 16 centers for me, whatever you can remember about them, 17 your understanding of them.
18 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes.
These are three sites that 19 q p opose to use to scan -- I think the correct word OIlk l
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three 1eqal properties in Nassau County known as 4
Hicksville, Roslyn, and Bellmore.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mr. Kilduff, you work on Long 6
Island, don't you?
7 MR. KILDUFF:
That's correct.
8 MR. CHRISTMAN: Where do you live?
9 MR. KILDUFF:
On Long Island in Suffolk County, 10 not in the EPZ zone.
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13 MR. KILDUFF:
I have passed two of them; not 14 gone on the property themselves.
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I passed the one along the 17 expressway in Roslyn.
I passed the one on Old 18 Country Road in Hicksville.
I'm sure I pcssed the 19 other one but didn't realize what it was or how it 20 might effect this proposal.
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and hasn't been quantified, but we will have to do 3
the best we can given the present state of knowledge 4
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the capacity of the zone between the EPZ and all J
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evacuation.
What causes your concern about the 8
capacity of the roads?
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12 residents of the zone, EPZ, take directed routes to 13 one of these sites, so that traffic would be added to 14 traffic which is on those roads for other purposes.
15 Our concern is that since the capacity analysis LILCO p7y 16 has not been done, apparently not been done byLLacal-on. 015 17 ordinance consultants, we don't know whether the DT yg 18 capacity of those roads is sufficient to handle the 19 additional traffic.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN: What do you expect you will do at 21 the time you have to look at this problem further?
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1 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, as I say, we have only begun 2
the process.
We will be looking at a number of ways 3
by which those concerns could be studied further.
4 There are methods available for study of highway 5
capacity.
We'd review certainly the specific routing estions of background traffic, 6
in further detail, 7
and we may do other assessments as we get further 8
into it.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
You have just-listed --
10 you said there was a number of ways, and I think you 11 listed the ones you have in your mind right now.
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Specific routing.
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Typically the output -- I'm sorry.
=3 MR. CHRISTMAN: -- travel times or 4
DR. HARTGEN:
Is that question for me or --
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: I was.just suggesting a possible 6
answer, but go ahead and give your answer.
7 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, perhaps your -- typically, 8
the output involves accumulation of estimate of 9
traffic on the road, the level of service that the 10 road then provides with that traffic.
11 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Level of service, you mean such' 12 as level D,
service level D or E,
something like 13 that?
14 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, the term level of service 15 refers to traffic analysis concept that describes a 16 quality of flow.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Well, I take it then you are 18 saying that what you might do is look at the routes 19.
between the EPZ boundry and the -- each of the three 20 reception centers, add up the background traffic, and 21 assign evacuation traffic to the various routes, sum o
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of those to figure out the level of traffic on those 2
roads, and then look at the service level of those 3
roads, or have I misstated it?
4 DR. HARTGEN:
I believe I said that that was one 5
typical way to go about this problem.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Well, go ahead.
In other words, 7
you are saying you might not -- you might do that and 8
you might not.
It's one way?
9 DR. HARTGEN:
We have just begun the analysis, 10 just have received the information, so I think it's gs 11 premature for us to lay out our work plan, and as 12 these studies move forward, they typically apply 13 methodologies that might have not been originally 14 identified.
15 The procedure I described there is a fairly 16 standard procedure of transportation analysis.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN:
And so, that's one you might use 18 and might not; is that right?
19 DR. HARTGEN:
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whether you will or not?
2 DR. HARTGEN:
That's right.
3 MR. CHRISTMAN:
What are some other methods you 4
might use to get at this issue as you get further 5
into it and begin to prepare your testimony?
6 DR. HARTGEN:
Another method involves a question 7
of routings.
The plan assigns routes to residents of 8
some areas of the EPZ.
9 In standard transportation analysis, there are 10 different ways in which to handle routings, and we s
11 will certainly look at the question of whether those 12 routings are realistic.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN:
And what do you mean by 14 realistic?
15 DR. HARTGEN:
I think it would depend on our 16 assessment of whether the proposed paths are the ones 17 that are most likely to be used by the residents of 18 the sub areas.
Some of the sub areas are quite 19 large, and there may be other paths that are 20 available to residents of some sub areas.
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start to get a handle on that issue by looking at a 2
map to see what other paths are available.
3 Is there other information you would have to 4
look at to analyze whether the routings are 5
realistic, or would it be just a matter of looking at 6
the map and seeing what paths are available and then 7
drawing some conclusions from that?
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Well, maps would certainly be a 9
part of it; familiarity with the area.
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11 facilities that we would look at.
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15 MR. CHRISTMAN:
When you talk about the visual 16 records, do you mean the photo logs?
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That is 20 the same basic system.
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Movie film, yes.
3 MR. CHRISTMAN:
And now you are using video 4
more?
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Yes.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Would you describe, since some 7
readers of the transcript won't know what these 8
visual records are, what they consist of now.
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11 periodic schedule, the State films each road on the 12 State system by using a camera mounted next to the 13 driver, specially-equipped van, and that film is then 14 made available for later analysis.
15 Its purpose is to allow office review of road 0
DN(2,5 signals,-pa{ P rtinences, and Treg 16 conditions, signs, 17 abutments, occasionally legal defense of the State, 18 questions concerning what situations look like at a 19 given time.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN:
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various State-owned roads?
3 DR. HARTGEN:
Movie film, yes.
As I said, video 4
system is just now replacing some of that.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN:
I see.
Transferring the old 6
film to video or are you just starting with new 7
shooting with using video cameras?
8 DR. HARTGEN:
Selected new shooting.
We have 9
not decided whether we will replace the old film.
10 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Do these photo logs cover other 11 logs than those owned by the State?
12 DR. HARTGEN:
We do occasionally some -- some 13 additional roads at special request, other studies of 14 intersections, for instance, which involve a State 15 road and a non-State road.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN:
And I suppose this is all 17 cataloged by location, so if you want to go see 18 pictures of a certain road, you can go find that road 19 in your collection?
20 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes.
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physical. characteristics, by which I think you mean 3
State-owned roads.
4 What information regarding the physical 5
characteristics do you have other than the visual 6
records that you already described for me?
7 DR. HARTGEN:
We have a number of computerized 8
data files.
They contain information such as the 9
width of pavements, number of lanes, where the 10 highways divided or undivided, details about.the O
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12 MR. CHRISTMAN:
When you say computerized data 13 files, does that mean these are accessible by a 14 computer terminal, come up on the screen 15 electronically?
16 DR. HARTGEN:
I wish that were the case.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN:
These are conventional files on 18 paper than in files --
19 DR. HARTGEN:
No.
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN:
How is it accessible?
3 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, we would set up specific 4
requests for locating information and work with 5
programmers to extract it, periodically prepare 6
summaries, and those are printed and available.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN:
But the basic data exists not on 8
paper but only on magnetic form in a computer 9
somewhere, except to the extent you had the printer 10 out, of course?
O-11 DR. HARTGEN:
The basic form is the computer 12 form, the information which transferred to the 13 computer from paper forms, and those forms are 14 prepared in the field as employees look at road 15 characteristics.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Is there a systematic program 17 for collecting those data in the field, or is it just 18 as people are out there on other assignments, they 19 tend to write things down that are important?
20 DR. HARTGEN:
Once a year we review all the 21 characteristics in the field.
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And send people out then to take 2
this information down?
3 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes, yes.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN:
You said you might collect 5
information on non-State roads; for instance, 6
county-owned roads.
How would you go about doing 7
that if you were to do it?
8 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, we have a limited amount of 9
information on these facilities now.
The information 4
10 we would be interested in would be information fsO 11 necessary to determine the number of lanes, lane 12 widths, pavement widths, whether the road is divided 13 or not, things of this nature.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN:
We were talking about the -- all 15 of this in the context of the first thing you might you said you might be looking at, which is whether 16 17 the routing from the EPZ to the reception centers are 18 realistic, and we have been through three sets of 19 information:
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roads, information such as things about lane --
2 number of lanes, lane widths, pavement widths, 3
divided or undivided highways.
4 Anything else you might need to assess or 5
investigate this question of the realisticness of the 6
routings?
7 DR. HARTGEN:
I'm not sure I understand your 8
question.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Well, when you are -- when you 10 go to look at whether the routings are realistic, as J
11 you may in preparing your testimony, is there any 12 other information other than the three things we have 13 been over, any other sources of information that you 14 might want to look at?
15 DR. HARTGEN:
I don't think there are any other 16 sources.
Those three sources are fairly broad, 17 obviously.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Obviously.
19 DR. HARTGEN:
There might be other items in 20 those sources that would be looked at.
21 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Other items.
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Oh, traffic volumes.
2 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Do you perceive that there would 3
be a psychological component of this analysis; that 4
is to say, would you ask yourselves how people might 5
behave and whether they might prefer some routes over 6
others?
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There are other approaches, 10 going to use minimum distance, assigned routings, 11 such as the approach used by LILCO.
12 Any of those approaches implies a decision by 13 the analyst that he or she is willing to accept the 14 underlying assumption, that people following those 15 psychological rules in making such choices.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Do you have a concern about the 17 assigned routings that LILCO has used, a concern that 18 people would depart from the assigned routings and 19 that that might make LILCO's analysis suspectful?
20 DR. HARTGEN:
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extent those routes are likely -- or to an extent 4
those routes are likely to be used.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Do you have any quantitative 6
sense of what problems, if any, might be caused by 7
people using.other routes?
8 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, the distance between the 9
site, Shoreham site, and the centers is quite long, 10 and there are numerous roads that crisscross it.
O1 11 Traffic may use those roads in addition to the roads 12 that the local plan directs evacuees to use.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN:
And what problem might that 14 cause, if any?
15 DR. HARTGEN:
We can't say.
We are just 16 beginning the assessment.
There is traffic on those 17 other roads.
The additional traffic could create 18 congestion problems at locations which have not been 19 identified.
Traffic could back up at intersections 20 which have not -- not been studied.
Those are some 21 of the concerns that we have.
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How long do you expect it will 2
take you to complete your assessment of this matter?
3 (Discussion off the record.)
4 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
Dr. Hartgen just asked me what 5
time the testimony will be due -- would be due, and I 6
will tell him it's April 6th -- it's the 13th.
7 THE WITNESS:
April 13th.
8' MR. CHRISTMAN: You are saying you don't expect 9
that.your analysis will be done in time to produce 10 your written testimony and that scheduled written 11 testimony will derive from creating your work, I take 12 it?
13 DR. HARTGEN:
To the extent possible, we would 14 like to be able to do that analysis to the extent 15 that we feel we need the assessment for the written 16 testimony.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Who will be -- if you do that 18 analysis, who will be doing it?
19 DR. HARTGEN:
I will direct the effort, and it 20 will be done by staff and others under my direction.
21 MR. CHRISTMAN: What will any of the other three
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2 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I'm sure I was brought in 3
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over the years.
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12 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you expect you would review 13 work done in the first instance by Dr. Hartgen's 14 people, or would you have some role in developing the 15 initial analysis as either a viewer or actually work 16 on the analysis?
17 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I will be supervising the 18 analysis, specifically the signalized intersections.
19 My staff of two will be working with me.
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3 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
No.
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5 MR. CHRISTMAN: So, you will be working on this t
6 analysis and Dr. Hartgen and his people will be 7
working on it at the same time as a joint effort, you 8
think?
9 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
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13 MR. CHRISTMAN: And you will be looking at the 14 signals at the intersections more?
15 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Yes.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: Yes.
Mr. Kilduff?
17 MR. KILDUFF:
If we have to go out and do any 18 turning movement accounts or local data collection, 19 we would probably be involved in that element.
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN: And Mr. Acquario?
3 MR. ACQUARIO:
I'll be looking at the bus piece 4
of the plan, the ability of the buses to use the 5
Hicksville facility --
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: I see.
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-- access and egress, scanning of 8
people on the bus.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mr. Kilduff, tell me a little bit 10 about the effect of the construction program and what O
11 that effect might be on the evacuation plan and the 12 plan to-use these three reception centers.
13 MR. KILDUFF:
The three are the Long Island 14 Expressway, Southern State Parkway, and Northern 15 State Parkway.
We have a series of projects on the 16 Long Island Expressway to resurface and repair the 17 pavement, and some we have already under 1
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Some are -- assuming we get Federal 19 funding soon, will be in the near future, but we have 20 those spread out over the next three, four years.
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of an evacuation --
7 MR. KILDUFF:
It would be a conflict.
it would be a conflict and 8
MR. CHRISTMAN:
9 that would result in longer travel times to the 10 reception centers.
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Longer times.
12 DR. HARTGEN:
Excuse me.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: Go ahead.
14 DR. HARTGEN:
These plans are known.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: That's what I was going to ask.
16 How far ahead have they known?
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN: And so you know roughly five 3
years in advance what roads are going to be under 4
construction?
5 MR. KILDUFF:
In those five years.
6 DR. HARTGEN:
And as time goes on, this document 7
is updated regularly?
8 MR. KILDUFF:
On an annual basis.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
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11 using the Hicksville facility, describe to me what 12 you understand the local plan to be with respect to 13 buses.
14 MR. ACQUARIOs Right at the moment, I understand 15 it to be that the buses will operate from eleven 16 transfer sites either in or on the fringe of the EPZ, 17 and depending on what kind of evacuation announcement 18 is used as to which of the zones are evacuated or if 19 the whole zone is evacuated from those eleven 20 transfer points, we will wait there and then be 21 bussed to the Hicksville site where they will be O
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bussed someplace else in Nassau, Suffolk County, but 4
they will be left without private transportation and 5
depend on public transportation.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you have any preliminary or 7
other concerns about that plan now?
8 MR. ACQUARIO:
I have some concerns.
9 MR. CHR.ISTMAN: What are those concerns?
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They have waited 13 at a transfer, taken public transportation to get to 14 a transfer site.
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the transfer points, they will be competing with the 3
other_ traffic problems that everyone else has just 4
described, intersections and traffic lights and 5
whatever.
As far as I can see, there is no 6
designated bus lanes.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: Any other preliminary concerns 8
that you can think of with respect to a bus plan?
9 MR. ACQUARIO:
Concerns that were raised in the 10 old plan, availability of the equipment, drivers, 11 ability of spares at the Hicksville site, spare 12 drivers, communication problems.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: What kind of communication 14 problems?
15 MR. ACQUARIO:
Buses radio-equipped.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: These you say in the old plan, 17 are these sorts of issues that were raised in the i
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN: How might fear of people, do you 3
think, interfere with the operation of the plan?
4 MR. ACQUARIO:
Whether they will get on the 5
buses or not.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: At the transfer point, you mean?
7 MR. ACQUARIO:
At the transfer that you might 8
take them, not you personally or LILCO or whoever.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Suppose they get on the buses at 10 transfer points and get taken to the Hicksville G
11 facility, are you concerned that their fear might 12 effect operations there?
13 MR. ACQUARIO:
I think it might, but pure 14 conjecture on my part.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: Conjecture is all right at this 16 point.
What do you think might happen?
17 MR. ACQUARIO:
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These are just general concerns.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN: That's all right.
5 MR. ACQUARIO:
And-then whether or not they can 6
be bussed quickly to a care center and what equipment 7
is available.
These are just concerns we have.
8 MR. CHRISTMAN: What do you expect you will do 9
between now and the time you finish your testimony to 10 prepare your testimony on this subject?
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Yes.
Preliminary in the sense 8
that we have not done the detailed analysis.
Perhaps 9
I could ask Mr. Millspaugh to describe that a little 10 bit more in response to your specific question.
11 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
Let me ask, Mr.
12 Millspaugh, what does that detailed analysis 13 involve?
What will it involve?
14 MR. MILL 3PAUGH:
We feel -- we haven't gotten 15 into the detailed analysis.
Well, the first step is 16 to check out, and this is on any project we review is 17 to look at what assumptions were made, and right now 18 we have a lot of questions concerning those 19 assumptions made and what analysis or pieces of 20 analysis we have seen from LILCO.
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Well, their method of averaging 3
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The analysis, you are usually looking at 5
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There may be 6
several during the day.
7 Their method of using one leg of the 8
intersection in their analysis, that's not the normal 9
procedure.
Normal procedure is looking at all the the traffic on all the legs of the 10 legs 11 intersection.
12 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Legs, L-E-G-S?
13 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Yes.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN:
What do you mean by a leg of the 15 intersection?
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18 MR. CHRISTMAp:
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Typical intersection, I 19 would imagine, would have four legs?
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4 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Yes.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN:
You have listed two questions 4
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What are the others that are in your mind?
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You look at capacity, 13 and secondly, you look at the levels of service or i
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15 MR. CERISTMAN:
And you don't find that looking 16 at the levels of service and the time delay in the 17 KLD analysis; is that right?
18 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I don't see that, no.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN:
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it would be important to the whole operation of the 4
-- of these reception centers.
That's not to say 5
they didn't do these, but that's not what I'm seeing.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Other questions, shortcomings, 7
or things that you don't see that you would like to 8
see?
9 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
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11 way the traffic signal equipment is working, which 12 may or may not be working properly.
There is too 13 much reliance on that.
14 MR._CHRISTMAN: Why would it not be working 15 properly?
16 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Well, detectors could be not 17 functioning correctly or at all.
The signal might be 18 on flashing operation at night, if it happened to 19 occur at night.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Do these detectors often 21 malfunction?
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Well, often enough.
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3 MR. CHRISTMAN:
So, you are talking about 4
something that occurs every day at ordinary times and 5
not necessarily relating to evacuation traffic?
6 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
That's true.
That's a routine 7
maintenance problem.
8 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Is it possible that increased 9
traffic can cause malfunction of these detectors?
10 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
No, that should not effect it.
O 11 MR. CHRISTMAN:
I'm afraid I interrupted your 12 list of the questions you have and the things you are 13 looking for that you don't find.
Could you go on?
14 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Oh, there was one mention on 15 the one alternate plan where the police and the 16 traffic guides are involved that they could manually 17 control the signal.
Well, that's not true with our 18 microcomputer traffic signal controllers.
The only 19 access the police would have to it is to put it to 20 flashing operation, and they cannot manually operate 21 the signal.
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Are all the signals controlled 2
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Most of them are getting that 4
way, at least on the State highway system.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Who does have access to those if 6
the police don't?
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12 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Your crews are -- who do have 13 access, they would be able to change the pattern; 14 they have more flexibility than merely putting it on p.y g m,H gem y
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They could poobe it, yes.
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Oh, I see.
In other,words --
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In other words, there is no one 2
who can just go out to these things now, even in your 3
department, and could re program them quickly to 4
change the pattern of the lights?
5 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Well, we'd have to know --
6 you'd have to know what the program is going to be 7
and then you'd have to --
8 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Well, suppose there is an 9
emergency now, suppose a chemical spill or a 10 hurricane and you had to get people out quickly and
.g 11 someone from the State called and told you to change 12 the patterns of the signals, how would you know what 13 program to --
14 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
I object to the question 15 because it's irrelevant to the reception centers that 16 we are engaged in now.
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It's just -- you are looking 2
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4 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Well, that's what I'm asking.
5 Do you have other questions of this sort that you 6
listed for me?
7 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Well, back to the sites, there 8
is some -- we still have some questions in our mind 9
about the times involved in the interior of the hb NN 10 sights, inside the sites, the circulation, time spent 11 at each station, times of decontamination, which are 12 important to the rates of the exiting traffic, how 13 fast can we get them in and out of the sites, and if 14 the exits are very busy and at capacity, that's going 15 to reflect right back through the sites and out 16 through the entrances and into the adjacent highway 17 network.
So, those are our concerns.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Okay.
What else?
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I don't know if I can think of 20 any more.
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Okay.
Mr. Millspaugh, you --
13 before the phone rang and we took a break, I was 14 asking you what questions or concerns you might have 15 and you were about to tell me another one.
Do you 16 remember what that was?
17 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
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4 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
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at intersections?
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12 MR. CHRISTMAN: Sorry.
You were going to say 13 about the -- we were talking about delay analysis and 14 how you do it.
15 MR. MILLSPAUGHz I mentioned it was associated 16 with -- before I mentioned there was two things you 17 have to look at, particularly at a signalized 18 intersection.
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actually go out there and measure them at a 6
particular intersection, and the manual includes 7
instructions on just how you measure this out in the 8
field.
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13 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
No, I don't expect in the time 14 we have to be able to go out there and measure them 15 in the field.
We would most likely use the methods 16 described in the manual.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Let's see if this question makes 18 sense.
Can you, using the method of computing these 19 delay times, can you tell me the factors that go into 20 that computation?
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3 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Yes.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN:
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do these calculations for?
6 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Well, we will start with the 7
intersections that LILCO has used, as a starting 8
point, and then we will add to those any other 9
intersections that we can get information on that may 10 effect the circulation of traffic around the sites.
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How will you decide what other 12 intersections might effect traffic around the sites?
13 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
We'll have to study that.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN:
That's a judgment that you and 15 your people will be making?
16 MR. MILLSPAUGHz Yes.
There may not be any 17 other intersections.
I don't know at this point.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN:
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN:
And to make that judgment, what 3
information do you need, just maps or just geometric 4
information about lots of intersections around the 5
area, sites or what?
6 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I suspect we will be relying on 7
the region office to give us information if we need 8
it 9
MR. CHRISTMAN:
Where is the region office?
if we don't already have 10 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
11 this information.
12 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Where is the region office?
13 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
In Hauppauge.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Is that where --
15 MR. KILDUFF:
Suffolk County.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
And I think you said 17 earlier, Mr. Kilduff, that if local counsel or local 18 information would be needed, you would be counted on 19 to provide that.
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mr. Kilduff, will you be mostly 3
providing -- do you expect that you will be providing 4
information and input to Mr. Millspaugh's analysis or 5
will you, yourself, be doing independent analyses?
6 MR. KILDUFF:
I would expect that Dr. Hartgen 7
would give us some direction as to who is going to do 8
what, if necessary.
If, for example, we do need 9
traffic counts, we would try to get them, but time is that much available.
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11 MR. CHRISTMAN: Dr. Hartgen, how do you see Mr.
12 Kilduff fitting into the analysis that may go into 13 your testimony?
Is he a provider of information 14 mostly or do you expect him to be calling for 15 analyses judgments?
16 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, I think the way he described 17 is fair, the region, being there, being in the region 18 certainly assists us in getting information if we 19 need it.
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3 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mr. Millspaugh, you said that the 4
method of averaging over a twelve-hour period is not 5
typical; that one usually looks at the peak hours.
6 MR. MILLSPAUGHz Yes.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: That is in assessing the level of 8
traffic one looks at the peak hours?
9 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
Well, we normally would look at 10 the peak hour or peak hours, and many -- on many s '-
11 projects that's normally the A.M.
peak, going-to-work 12 time, and in the P.M.
would be going-home time.
On 13 Long Island, that stretches out to sometimes three 14 and four hours each time.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: And you do that because you want 16 to get sort of a worst case or maximum traffic count, 17 I guess.
18 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
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hour as a design hour.
He can answer that probably 5
better than I can.
6 MR. KILDUFF:
That's on an annual basis.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: I guess I'm not entirely clear in 8
my head on why it's inappropriate to average over a 9
twelve-hour period if in the analysis KLD did, they 10 are looking at twelve -- a twelve-hour period of O
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Can you explain it any better for me?
12 MR. MILLSPAUGHz Well, I would say over the --
13 if I were to do it, I would want to look at not 14 necessarily the worst case, but I'd want to look at 15 something that's going to be reasonably -- can be --
16 reasonably be expected out there, and I would want to 17 look -- of course, you have to determine which twelve 18 hours2.083333e-4 days <br />0.005 hours <br />2.97619e-5 weeks <br />6.849e-6 months <br /> we are going to be looking at, and we are not 19 even sure they picked out the correct one.
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We would want to look at each one of those 3
hours and make an analysis, capacity analysis of each 4
of those hours, because if there is any backing up at 5
the signalized intersections, it's going to effect --
6 could back up into the next hour of queuing.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Do you have an idea what the 8
correct twelve-hour peak is for an analysis of this 9
sort?
10 MR. MILLSPAUGHz I think that's one of my 11 questions.
I'm not sure if it's Thursday --
12 Thursday, Friday hours they picked, but that's 13 something that normally I would accept from the 14 planners, that I would question, but I would finally 15 accept.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: How would you go about making an 17 independent determination as to what twelve-hour peak 18 would be?
19 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
I don't understand.
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN: Right.
Well, but you have a 3
question as to whether KLD picked the right 4
twelve-hour period, and since-we don't have an actual 5
accident, how would you go about picking the right 6
twelve-hour period?
7 MR. MILLSPAUGH I think Dr. Hartgen can answer 8
it better than I can.
9 DR. HARTGEN:
This relates to the problems 10 concerning queues that were identified earlier.
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15 The queue issue is important because queues are 16 very difficult to dissipate once they form.
In fact, 17 they would only dissipate if the exit volumes were 18 greater than the formation volumes, and so a capacity 19 problem that was generated in, say, the third hour 20 are examples that you could construct that would show 21 that that problem could easily last for two or three O
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3 So, the twelve-hour time' period of the 4
requirement for LILCO here would have to be analyzed 5
against what the background traffic is over that time 6
period and the impact of that traffic, plus the 7
evacuees, plus additional background traffic on the 8
operation of these intersections.
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locations, certainly at entrances to reception 2
centers.
That would depend on whether the scanning 3
rates can, in fact, be sustained overtime.
They 4
could develop at the exit locations of the reception 5
centers.
The exit rates of clean vehicles is very 6
high, and that -- that traffic must enter an existing 7
traffic string.
They could develop at localized 1
8 intersections beyond the sites.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: I think you've just gotten us 10 into this question you mentioned earlier about the 11 circulation of vehicles on the sites themselves.
12 Do you plan to be doing any sorts of analyses or 13 any study at all of how the vehicles circulate on the 14 sites?
15 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, as I say, we haven't decided 16 exactly what kinds of things we'll do.
Site 17 circulation at first glance to us appears to be a 18 problem.
We believe that it's a problem because the 19
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that volume must be l'ess than the entering volume; 2
otherwise, queues would back up on the entrance 3
roads.
4 We don't have a clear understanding of what 5
typical rates of contamination would be found and, 6
therefore, we don't have a good feel for how the 7
parking facilities at the decontamination trailers 8
would operate.
We are not sure whether the trailers 9
themselves are adequate for showering, of cleaning 10 individuals.
C) 11 I don't recall anything in the plan about the 12 cleaning of vehicles and how long that would take or 13 what proportion of vehicles would have to be 14 cleaned.
15 All of this depends on the presence of LILCO 16 employees who are well-trained and can keep up a pace 17 of scanning for a long period of time.
I don't think 18 that's going to work very well, 19 MR. CHRISTMAN: You said it wouldn't work very 20 well.
Why not?
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When these employees were asked to continue 3
in service for long periods of time beyond nine, ten, 4
or eleven hours, fatigue took its toll, replacement 5
people and equipment took its toll, and problems were 6
increased substantially.
A plan which plans for 7
maximum flow and provides personnel for maximum flow 8
may not work even at that flow, as fatigue and other 9
factors take their toll on the smoothness of the 10 operation.
O 11 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Which of the four of you had 12 experience at Lake Placid at the Olympics, I 13 believe.
Who of the four of you had some experience 14 at Lake Placid, anyone?
15 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I didn't have experience at the 16 site itself, but I was involved in the parking lots, 17 the fringe parking lots involved in the operation.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN: Did any of your experiences there 19 shed any light 20 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
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5 MR. CHRISTMAN: So, you didn't actually observe 6
any fatigue or anything?
7 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
No.
8 MR. CHRISTMAN: Anybody else?
9 DR. HARTGEN:
I was involved in the planning 10 also.
11 MR. CHRISTMAN: In planning?
12 DR. HARTGEN:
And I was also involved to a 13 le sor extent at post-mortem, if that's the right 14 word.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: And that's when you found out 16 about the fatigue?
17 DR. HARTGEN:
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2 MR. KILDUFF:
I think in that case you have a 3
moving vehicle; whereas, if you are talking about 4
somebody scanning something, the fatigue, you're 5
certainly not going to have an accident as a result; 6
so it's not quite as serious.
7 DR. HARTGEN:
The work environment that 8
production organizations get involved in, and I'm not 9
an expert in this area, but typically those 10 activities are planned for more than what you might 11 think to be the capacity, and the reason for that is 12 to take account of unforeseens.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: Any of the four of you ever had 14 any personal experience observing a worker of any 15 kind who was fatigued and, therefore, his performance 16 was impaired?
Army or Marine Corps., one of you was 17 in the marines.
18 MR. KILDUFF:
Loading a ship for twenty-four 19 5aurs.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN: Have you seen that?
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Just reach the point you have to 4
let them tVke a nap when they fall asleep moving 5
equipment.
6 DR. HARTGEN:
I have had a supervisor on 7
occasion'had to do production rush work, and I have 8
noticed that that becomes more difficult as time 9
evolves.
Employees have to -- have to regroup.
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11 conditions, but they were under the pressure of 12 having to get a job done?
13 DR. HARTGEN:
Office settings, yes, yes.
14 Back to sites for a second, one element that 15 appears to be missing in the site calculations is the 16 time necessary to move vehicles into and out of the 17 specific locations at which they would be scanned.
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it's too low.
If that number is wrong, then the 6
production rate of the system is also not calculated 7
correctly.
8 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you expect that in the course 9
of preparing your testimony, you'll be gathering 10 information about, oh, the various things you've O,-.s 11 mentioned, such as information on the types or 12 amounts of contamination that might be present, how 13 long it takes to scan a vehicle, those sorts of 14 things you've listed as uncertainties?
15 DR. HARTGEN:
We are not experts in the scanning 16 for the radiology.
We would, however, analyze the 17 question of, given a scan rate such as one hundred 18 seconda, what additional time ought to be added to 19 that to move vehicles to and from the actual location 20 at which that rate occurs, at which that rate takes 21 place.
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your own analyses showing the number of vehicles that 3
can be serviced at these centers, given certain 4
assumptions?
5 DR. HARTGEN:
Possible.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: Talked about construction on 7
roads earlier, and Dr. Hartgen, you mentioned 17 8
addition to that or as part of it the background 9
growth on Long Island.
10 What do you mean by background growth on Long O
11 Island, and what concerns does that cause you about 12 the emergency plan?
13 DR. HARTGEN:
The word " background" in the sense 14 I'm using here is not the same as the word used 15 there.
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tell us about the growth on Long Island in the area 5
of concern here ovet the next few years?
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15 years; so that that would increase the problem as 16 time went on.
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We keep -- we collect traffic 2
information on all our facilities every other year so 3
we have a history of what the volumes had been and 4
what they currently are.
As far as projections, we 5
have an organization in the New York City area that 6
.has growth that is based on service.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: The first set of data, the 8
information you collect, did you say every other 9
year?
10 MR. KILDUFF:
Well, we collect it continuously, 11 but we produce an annual report showing the traffic 12 volumes on all these State highways throughout the 13 state.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN: And.those are publicly-available 15 documents?
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18 MR. CHRISTMAN: Published by the Department of 19 Transportation?
20 MR. KILDUFF:
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21 MR. CHRISTMAN: What are they called?
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN: How long has the department, or 3
whatever name the department might be called --
4 strike that.
5 How long have they been issuing these annual 6
Traffic Volume Reports?
7 DR. HARTGEN:
I've seen them back as early as 8
1965.
I have a set that goes back to 1970.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: And how about the projections by 10 the New York City group?
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13 MR. CHRISTMAN: What is the New York City group?
KUL D u f C N0 bb 14 MR. -MILLSPAUGH1 New York Metropolitan 15 Transportation Council.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: Is that council a state agency?
KILDOFF 17 MR..MILLGPAUGH1 They are located in the World Rcq 18 Trade Center.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN: Is that a state agency or body or 20 is it a local?
21 MR. KILDUFF:
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It's what's referred to as the 3
Metropolitan Planning Organization, the MPO for the 4
New York portion of the New York City area.
It's a 5
multi-agency supported group which undertakes and 6
supports transportation analysis planning for the 7
region.
8 MR. CHRISTMAN: And I take it that its 9
projections extend out onto Long Island.
Do they 10 make projections of Long Island traffic for the 7_U 11 future?
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They have growth rates of various 13 sections of not only New York City but Westchester 14 and -- when it was tri-state, it had been New York, 15 New Jersey, and Connecticut.
They have more or less 16 dropped out, so now it's just New York State.
17 DR. HARTGEN:
That's right.
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haven't told me about this morning?
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Not that I can think of.
I may 6
have some, but --
7 MR. KILDUFF:
There is one I had that I 8
mentioned that on the plan that proposed to use the 9
State Parkway system, and in many cases, we have 10 limited vertical clearance on those bridges in the 11 old arch-type bridges that Robert Moses was 12 instrumental in seeing the design, so we couldn't 13 handle commercial traffic.
But depending on the type 14 of bus, you may have insufficient vertical 15 clearance.
16 At the regional office, we might be able to 17 determine what those clearances are, plus under the 18 current rules of the parkway, buses and/or commercial 19 vehicles are not allowed.
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parkways where they would be taking pedestrians -- or 5
passengers, rather, into the parkway directly.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: Dr. Hartgen, you had a long and 7
impressive list of publications on your resume.
Are 8
there any of those publications, and you have a copy 9
of the resume in front of you, that are particularly 10 pertinent to the assessment of the suitability of 11 these reception centers?
12 DR. HARTGEN:
Many of my publications deal with 13 studies of traffic, traffic volume, flow rates.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN: I guess I'm asking is the'e any t
15 one of those that is so especially pertinent to the 16 issues involved here that you might even be -- might 17 even be citing it or referring to it in your 18 testimony when you get around to writing it?
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I have not written any analysis for public 21 literature on Shoreham evacuations.
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planning for emergencies of any sort.
4 Mr. Millspaugh, have you had --
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you had, if any, on evacuation planning?
9 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
None really.
10 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mc. Kilduff?
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None.
12 MR. CHRISTMAN: Dr. Hartgen?
13 DR. HARTGEN:
I was involved in the assessment 14 of LILCO evacuation plan in 1984.
At that time, I 15 was asked to assess the plan and to provide a 16 deposition and give testimony on it, and I did that.
17 I was supported by a staff of analysts.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN: Other than Shoreham, have you 19 ever done any work on an evacuation plan or on 20 problems of mass movements of people in time of 21 emergency?
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No, not other than Shoreham.
2 MR. CHRISTMAN: How about you, Mr. Acquario?
3 MR. ACQUARIO:
I helped to set up the bus 4
evacuation.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: I remember.
6 MR. ACQUARIO:
Rockland County.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: Rockland County.
What exactly 8
was your role?
Can you describe first the problem 9
which arose that called upon you to address?
10 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
I object on relevancy grounds.
11 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
12 MR. ACQUARIO:
The problems I don't want to 13 answer.
Just about the roads, it was to ensure there 14 was sufficient equipment and scheduling public notice 15 and that traffic would allow good circulation of 16 buses to pick up the people and to proceed in an 17 orderly fashion to the reception centers.
, 18 MR. CHRISTMAN: Was this a plan for the State to 19 implement as opposed to Rockland County?
20 MR. ACQUARIO:
At the time we did it, Rockland 21 chose not to.
The Lieutenant Governor was put in
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own plan.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN: So, what happened to your plan?
5 MR. ACQUARIO:
I have no idea.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: You don't know if it's still
'7 active, still in use?
8 MR. ACQUARIO:
I don't know.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Have you had any connection with 10 the -- when was the last time you had anything to do 11 with the Rockland County evacuation plan?
12 MR. ACQUARIO:
It was the actual operations 13 test, simulated test.
That was the last connection 14 I've had, which is several years ago.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you remember the date or rough j
16 date?
17 MR. ACQUARIO:
No.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN: How did the test go?
19 MR. ZA*NLEUTER:
I object.
It's argumentative.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN: How did the test go is 21 argumentative?
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2 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
Yes.
3 MR. CHRISTMAN: That's your objection, okay.
4 How did the test go?
5 MR. ACQUARIO:
I believe it passed.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: It was successful.
7 MR. ACQUARIO:
If that's what you mean by the 8
question.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Yeah.
Was it successful?
10 MR. ACQUARIO:
As far as I read in the paper.
11 We are not graded on site.
12 MR. CHRISTMAN: So, you sort of prepared the plan 13 and then left it to the test, but you didn't have any 14 more to do with it after submitting the plan?
15 MR. ACQUARIO:
Right.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: With whom did you submit it?
17 MR. ACQUARIO:
Lieutenant Governor and to the 18 Federal Examiners.
I participated in the test, but 19 the grading was several weeks later.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN: What was your participation in 21 the test or what did it involve?
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I object at this point, and I 2
can't see any relevancy to the reception center 3
proceeding anymore.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN: Well, the relevancy is I'm 5
probing this witness' experience in the bus plan for 6
an emergency evacuation, and his experience in that 7
area certainly might be relevant to this proceeding.
8 Are you going to instruct him not to answer?
9 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
Could you repeat the question, 10 please.
11 MR. CHRISTMAN:
I don't remember what the 12 question was.
Could you read it back for me.
13 (The above-requested testimony was then 14 read by the reporter.)
15 MR. MC MURRAY:
I'm going to support the State's 16 objection.
That doesn't probe the witness' 17 experience at all.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN: What was your experience in the 19 test?
20 MR. ACQUARIO:
My experience?
21 MR. CHRISTMAN: Describe your experience.
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My experience in the test was to, 2
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evacuees, and to get to the designated sites.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: And as far as you could see from 7
your experience, things went smoothly with the plan 8
that you helped develop?
9 MR. MC MURRAY:
Same objection.
10 MR. ACQUARIO:
As far as we were able to contact 11 the buses with the equipment we had in the test 1
12 center and to confirm that they reached their site, 13 yes.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN: No unforeseen problems arose?
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15 MR. ACQUARIO:
There were unforeseen problems 16 that had to be taken care of.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN:
What?
Can you give me a few 18 examples?
19 MR. ACQUARIO:
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And you gave them those 4
instructions by radio?
5 MR. ACQUARIO:
Yes.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN:
How many drivers do you remember 7
got lost, roughly?
8 MR. ACQUARIO:
I can't remember exactly.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Roughly.
10 MR. ACQUARIO:
Ten percent.
I mean two out of 11 twenty.
12 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Best you can do?
13 MR. ACQUARIO:
Yeah.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Okay.
Have you all had any 15 meetings to either discuss this deposition or your 16 testimony in this proceeding with anyone?
I mean any 17 one of you with anyone else.
18 MR. ACQUARIO:
Apart from people in this room?
19 MR. CHRISTMAN: No, including the people in this 20 room.
It's okay for me to ask that question.
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Yes.
3 MR. CHRISTMAN: And when was that?
4 MR. ACQUARIO:
Yesterday.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: Yesterday afternoon?
6 MR. ACQUARIO:
Right.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: And who were the people present 8
at that meeting?
9 MR. ACQUARIO:
Just who's here.
10 MR. CHRISTMAN: In other words, Mr. Mc Murray, 11 Mr. Zahnleuter, and the four witnesses I see in front 12 of me?
13 MR. ACQUARIO:
Yes.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN: Who else?
15 MR. ACQUARIO:
Other staff.
16 MR. CHRISTMAN: Other staff of the Department of 17 Transportation?
18 MR. ACQUARIO:
Yes.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN: Who were they?
20 MR. ACQUARIO:
I don't know their names.
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John Shufon, S-H-U-F-O-N; two of his 3
assistants; another gentleman by the name of Kirsch, 4
K-I-R-S-C-H; another gentleman by the name of Lewis, 5
L-E-W-I-S; a gentleman by the name of Fifield, F-I-F 6
-- F-I-F-I-E-L-D; and a gentleman by the name of 7
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12 MR. ACQUARIO:
Bill Kneelands.
13 DR. HARTGEN:
Oh, yes, Mr. Kneelands.
14 MR. ACQUARIO:
He's on my staff.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: Other than Mr. Kneelands and the 16 people on your staff, Dr. Hartgen, were any of those 17 names you mentioned not in those two categories that 18 is not on your staff?
I guess Craghton Associates 19 was an outside consultant.
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3 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes, yes.
4 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
And counsel.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: And counsel, of course.
And 6
Craghton Associates' expertise is what?
7 DR. HARTGEN:
We are asking for some assistance 8
in traffic engineering capacity.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Is it in the nature of analysis 10 or in the nature of collecting data?
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Mostly analysis.
12 MR. CHRISTMAN: And what have you asked them to 13 do?
14 DR. HARTGEN:
They will be assisting, and under 15 my direction, they will be analyzing questions we 16 referred to earlier.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN: I'll ask you to list those 18 questions because we talked about so many.
I want to 19 make sure we are talking about the same thing.
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I'm not sure I'd phrase it that 5
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6 MR. CHRISTMAN: Use your own words then.
7 DR. HARTGEN:
We will ask them to do assessments 8
of various questions and they will do them.
9 MR. CHRISTMAN: Where are Craghton Associates 10 located, did you say?
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They are at, I believe, 254 12 Delaware Avenue in Delmar, New York.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: They are the only outside 14 consultant that you plan to use to help with these 15 analyses?
16 DR. HARTGEN:
We may ask others.
They are the 17 only one we have talked with so far.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Do you expect you will be 19 calling others?
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Can't say.
2 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Who will make the decision 3
whether to use others or not?
4 DR. HARTGEN:
Who will make the decision?
5 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Yes, who will decide that?
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I asked you about State agencies.
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expertise, such as county or local agencies, 5
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be consulting with to get analyses on these issues?
8 DR. HARTGEN:
I think the same answer is 9
appropriate.
I don't think so, but I don't want to 10 close the door.
O 11 MR. CHRISTMAN: Has any of you written anything 12 about the Shoreham Reception Centers, these three 13 facilities?
14 DR. HARTGEN:
I have prepared preliminary 15 comments to counsel and several members of my staff, 16 and these three individuals have submitted their 17 preliminary comments to me in memorandum form.
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Are there any concerns expressed 19 in those preliminary comments by anyone other than 20 the ones we talked about this morning?
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What are those?
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One concerns accidents.
As we 4
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at these sites and then engage in additional travel.
6 So, roughly, 400,000 vehicle miles could be added to 7
the traffic on Long Island which is not normally 8
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We have 12 not done an accident analysis yet.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: Would the accident analysis 14 merely multiply 400,000, or whatever the right number 15 is, vehicle miles additional by the normal accident 16 rate, or would it be more complicated than that?
17 DR. HARTGEN:
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It isn't a straight 19 forward linear extrapolation of current rates.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN: If it isn't that, what is it?
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5 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes.
Then you asked whether or 6
not we had the personal experiences.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN:
And you did say you would go 8
probably to the published literature, but I'm 9
wondering if you would also draw on something you 10 encounter or analyze in your everyday jobs, such as b'"
11 queuing in ordinary traffic or something you might 12 have encountered in, for instance, writing your paper 13 on gas shortages.
14 DR. HARTGEN:
I can't think of any others.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN:
You did study motorists' 16 behavior in gasoline shortages, didn't you, at one 17 point?
18 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes, I did.
We dealt primarily 19 with shifts in travel patterns --
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3 MR. CHRISTMAN:
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with angry behavior of drivers in gasoline shortages 5
or queues?
6 DR. HARTGEN:
No, no, we didn't.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Same question of the other three 8
witnesses then.
9 Is there anything in your everyday work 10 experience or everyday life experience that you think 11 you might draw on in assessing the rate of the driver 12 behavior in queues and stop and go situations or 13 under stress?
14 MR. KILDUFF:
I think one thing you might want 15 to consider is the fact that in the EPZ, you have a 16 more rural area than in where the reception centers 17 are.
That may have an impact, but I don't know where 18 in the literature you would find anything relevant to 19 that.
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2 DR. HARTGEN:
It's a question that has occurred 3
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in more detail.
I don't know what we will find.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: Dr. Hartgen, I'm afraid I caused 6
you to digress a bit.
You said there were one or two 7
other comments in your preliminary comments we 8
_ haven't brought up this morning, and one was accident 9
rates.
And we got into the driver behavior in 10 queues, stop and go situations, and under stress.
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I just want to add one more 12 concern that we have with buses on accident rates, 13 and-it's with accident rates and breakdowns on the i
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of what that increase might be but rather to assess 6
its impact on available capacity.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN:
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what?
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14 Setting aside the question of whether they abide 15 or don't abide by that announcement, we would be 16 concerneg about the effect of the operation of the
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. traffic to the road system.
2 And finally, the traffic which leaves the sites 3
after being okayed or cleaned needs to be accounted 4
for also.
Those vehicles just don't simply disappear 5
in parking lots for the duration of twelve hours.
6 They will go back on the street system.
7 MR. CHRISTMAN: Right.
8 DR. HARTGEN:
And that appears not to have been 9
accounted.for in the analysis.
10 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Anything else?
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No.
12 MR. CHRISTMAN:
You raised the question of 13 whether people will abide by the announcement asking 14 them not to use the roads around the reception 15 centers unless it's necessary.
16 Do you understand that the KLD analysis soon --
17 at least in one of its scenarios, something like 50 18 percent -- will decrease this background traffic in 19 compliance with some sort of an announcement and also 20 in reaction to or in avoidance of suggestion?
21 DR. HARTGEN:
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What's your' opinion on that 2
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3 DR. HARTGEN:
I'm not sure I have an opinion on 4
the 50 percent.
We are concerned, however, that if 5
that number is wrong, for whatever reason, more 6
traffic would appear on the street system and that 7
traffic would clog the intersections and prevent 8
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16 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Where would you go to get 17 information that you might use in your testimony 18 about this judgment that the background traffic would 19 be decreased at the time of an accident?
20 MR. MC MURRAY:
Object.
I think that 21 mischaracterizes the witness' testimony.
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That mischaracterizes my 2
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3 MR. CHRISTMAN: Where would you go to get 4
information to address this question of whether 5
people would avoid the area or not?
6 DR. HARTGEN:
We would not address that 7
question.
As I said earlier, we would begin with the 8
analysis at various percentage levels and determine 9
what the impact of those assumptions might be on the 10
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And I take it your percentage 12 levels might include a percentage greater than one 13 hundred percent of greater background traffic based 14 on the theory that additional people might come out 15 to be monitored who are not from the EPZ, is that 16 right?
17 DR. HARTGEN:
It might.
It might.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN: Have any idea how high your 19 assumptions of percentage of background might go for 20 purposes of analysis?
21 DR. HARTGEN:
No.
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2 DR. HARTGEN:
I will.
3 MR. CHRISTMAN:
It's 11:30.
I suggest we go 4
take another ten-minute break.
We can probably 5
finish up.
6 (Discussion off the record.)
7 (A brief recess was then taken.)
8 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Dr. Hartgen, we may have 9
digressed again.
I was in the process earlier of 10 asking you what concerns showed up in those
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,reliminary comments you told me about that hadn't 12 already been voiced earlier this morning, and you 13 mentioned growth on Long Island, and Mr. Kilduff 14 mentioned the parkway system and the limited vertical 15 clearances.
16 Let's go back to the basic question are there 17 any other concerns or questions raised in those 18 preliminary comments that we already haven't talked 19 about today?
20 DR. HARTGEN:
I don't think so.
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of addressing Shoreham Reception Centers other than 3
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you've looked at in preparation for-testimony that 5
you told me about this morning?
6 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
Are you referring to documents 7
generated by Dr. Hartgen?
8 MR. CHRISTMAN: No, not -- I wouldn't limit it to 9
that.
Just any other documents that might have been 10 authored by anyone, letter, report.
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I'm not clear about your 12 question.
You are asking for what documents Dr.
13 Hartgen provided to other people?
14 MR. CHRISTMAN: No.
-Does he know of any 15 documents addressing the reception centers for 16 Shoreham other than the preliminary comments you told 17 me about and the --
18 DR. HARTGEN:
The only other documents I've seen 4
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No.
They were transmitted to me 3
by Mr. McMurray.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN: Okay.
Anybody else on the panel 5
remember any -- seeing any documents about Shoreham 6
Reception Centers other than the ones we have already 7
mentioned?
8 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
No.
9 MR. ACQUARIO:
Newspaper.
10 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you have any additional k-11 concerns or. questions or preliminary opinions about 12 transportation or traffic problems that might be 13 caused by either the location of the three reception 14 centers locations or their distance from the plant or 15 the EPZ?
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information or opinion about whether the use of these 1
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12 DR. HARTGEN:
No.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: I'm just asking anything you know 14 about or have any opinion.
You don't expect that you 15 will be testifying whether or not local or State laws 16 might require authorization for the use of these 17 reception centers?
18 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
They will not be testifying on 19 that.
20 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you have any opinions on 21 staffing requirements for these reception centers?
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As I said earlier, staffing 2
requirements relate to the calculations concerning 3
the number of processing base that LILCO feels are 4
appropriate to handle their anticipated' volume.
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concerns in that-area I think are two-fold.
6 First of all, even if the volume is right, the 7
staffing requirement may not be enough because of 8
other issues concerning employee performance ovec 9
time.
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13 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you have any opinion on the 14 number of people who might be using these centers in 15 emergency?
16 DR. HARTGEN:
No.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN: Do you think you might be looking 18 at that question in the course of your work on 19 testimony?
20 DR. HARTGEN:
We might be looking at the impact 21 of an assumption concerning that question.
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people that might actually show up in an emergency 4
evacuation?
5 DR. HARTGEN:
No, I don't think we would be.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mr. Millspaugh, has any other 7
have any other concerns or questions arisen in your 8
mind in the last few minutes since we talked last 9
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13 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I don't think anything more 14 than what I previously discussed.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN: Sometimes a discussion with 16 another witness might trigger something in your mind, 17 and I just wanted to make sure that I got all of your 18 concerns down.
19 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
I know what you are saying.
I 20 don't think I have any more.
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other concerns or questions risen in your mind?
3 MR. KILDUFF:
Major concern would be why they 4
picked a site so far away from the EPZ.
5 MR. CHRISTMAN: Far from the EPZ, and farness 6
from the EPZ is a concern in your mind.
Why?
7 MR. KILDUFF:
Well, you've got two things:
The 8
time involved in getting there, and the further into 9
Nassau County you get, the higher the traffic volumes 10 become.
O 11 MR. CHRISTMAN: Near New York City.
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Nassau is a very congested place 13 all by itself, not even withstanding New York City.
14 MR. CHRISTMAN: In your mind then, the further 15 east, the better the location, within reason, of 16 course.
17 MR. KILDUFF:
Within reason.
18 MR. KILDUFF:
They want to be, apparently from 19 the study I saw, something in the range of about 20 twenty to thirty miles away rather than forty-four or 21 whatever these three sites are.
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Well, the one that was on for 3
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They indicated that I guess they got 4
it from the Nuclear Commission.
They should be 5
somewhere in the range of ten miles beyond the EPZ, 6
which would put them twenty miles away, and if they 7
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13 MR. CHRISTMAN: Mr. Acquario, any additional 14 concerns or questions you may have about the 15 suitability of the three reception centers?
16 MR. ACQUARIO:
Same issue as Charlie is the 17 distance of the Hicksville Reception Center from the 18 EPZ in bussing that many people, perhaps up to 19 11,000, and then having them there, to get either 20 cleaned or not having been contaminated, and then 21 having to do something with having taken them forty (3
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2 MR. CHRISTMAN: I take it that before you finish 3
preparing your testimony, that is, in the course of 4
preparing your testimony, you will have done some 5
sort of analysis of the capacity of the roads between 6
the EPZ and the reception centers; you will have 7
looked at, in particular, Mr. Millspaugh would have 8
looked at the intersections in the vicinity of the 9
reception centers; Mr. Acquario, you would have 10 looked at the plan to use buses and how that effects 11 the use of the reception centers.
Have I missed any 12 analyses that you might likely be doing?
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16 MR. CHRISTMAN: Right.
17 DR. HARTGEN:
And we mentioned earlier 18 background traffic.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN: So you did.
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We mentioned very recently 3
accidents.
4 MR. CHRISTMAN: And Craghton Associates' work 5
will effect or inform which of these various analyses 6
that you've mentioned?
7 DR. HARTGEN:
Well, as I said earlier, he will 8
conduct analyses that we instruct him to.
It is a 9
firm that specializes in transportation planning and 10 traffic engineering and site planning.
O 11 MR. CHRISTMAN:
So you think you might use their 12 information on all of these?
13 DR. HARTGEN:
They have no expertise on the 14 construction program for Long Island.
15 MR. CHRISTMAN:
Okay.
You may use them on the looking at the routes between the EPZ and the 16 17 centers, I suspect, right?
18 DR. HARTGEN:
We may.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN:
And Mr. Millspaugh's work on the 20 intersections, would they -- will you use any 21 information or help from them on that?
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We may.
2 MR. CHRISTMAN: How abcut Mr. Acquario's bus 3
analysis, will that use anything from Craghton 4
Associates?
5 MR. ACQUARIO:
Possibly.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: Have any idea what they might 7
offer that you wouldn't already have on the bus 8
plan?
9 MR. ACQUARIO:
Not at this -- not that I can 10 think of now, but I don't want to say that we are 11 not.
12 MR. CHRISTMAN: How about the circulation on 13 site, site circulation?
Do you think Craghton &
14 Associates might have any information that would help 15 you do your work on that?
16 DR. HARTGEN:
They might assist us in that area 17 also, yeah.
18 MR. CHRISTMAN: You said not construction plans.
19 How about background traffic, they might assist you 20 there?
21 DR. HARTGEN:
Yes.
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2 DR. HARTGEN:
Might.
3 MR. CHRISTMAN: Might, okay.
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5 Anyone?
6 MR. KILDUFF:
What particular document are you 7
looking for?
8 MR. CHRISTMAN: I'll tell you what.
Let's make 9
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12 MR. MILLSPAUGH:
No.
13 MR. CHRISTMAN: Dr. Hartgen, did you bring'any 14 documents?
15 DR. HARTGEN:
I have a copy of the plan that 16 were sent to me in my briefcase.
17 MR. CHRISTMAN: That's all?
18 DR. HARTGEN:
Yeah.
19 MR. CHRISTMAN: Any documents, Mr. Acquario?
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2 MR. KILDUFF:
No, nothing.
3 MR. CHRISTMAN: I have no further questions.
4 MR. MC MURRAY:
I have no questions.
5 MR. ZAHNLEUTER:
No questions.
6 MR. CHRISTMAN: With that, the deposition is 7
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report the foregoing deposition, which was taken down 8
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Further, that the deposition was then 10 reduced to writing in my presence and under my 11 direction. That the deposition was taken to be used 12 in the foregoing entitled action.
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(,J Director, Transit Management Assistance Bureau NYS Department of Transportation 1220 Washington Avenue Bldg. 4, Room 146, State Campus Albany, New York 12232 Phone:
(518) 457-1176 Professional History 1980 - Present:
Director, Transit Management Assistance Bureau 1978 - 1980:
Project Manager, FEA Management Study 1976 - 1980:
Program Analyst, Transportation-Transportation Committee, New York State Legislature 1969 - 1976:
Fiscal Analyst, Transportation, Ways & Means Committee, New York State Legislature i
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Director: Transit Management Assistance Bureau.
Since 1980 I have directed the activities of this Bureau whose function is to provide technical and management assistance to all of the State's public transit operators. This assistance includes start-up help for new systems; including route design, schedules, run-cutting, fare levels, transfer policy, etc. Also route guides, schedules and marketing is provided on an on-going basis. Management assistance is provided for cash flow difficulties, training, inventory support for maintenance, insurance costs and efficiency studies.
Other relevant experience of this Bureau involves the start-up of the N.Y.S. Public Transportation Sat'ety Board. This board will investigate accidents and establish policy for safety standards and procedures.
In addition, the Bureau assisted in setting up a transit network for a possible evacuation of Rockland County in the event of a nuclear accident at the Indian Point facility. This service includes both the resident general population and non-institutionalized handicapped population.
Project Manager: MTA Management Study.
In 1978 1 took over the management of the $1 million federally assisted MTA Management Study. This involved a cooperative study with the MTA and the N.Y.C. Office of Planning Coordination. The Study covered 13 aspects
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of the MTA and affiliate operations from planning to subway maintenance
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and training. An outside consultant, Booz-Allen & Hamilton was engaged to carry out the independent aspects of the Study. The Study concluded with over 300 recommendations that have, to a large extent, been imple-l mented.
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Program Analyst, Transportation Committee.
The major focus of this task involved developing legislation to meet I
deficiencies in transportation rules and regulations and to facilitate the movement of goods and people in an orderly fashion. Major legisla-tion prepared was the Transportation Operating Assistance program, right on red and numerous transit bond issues.
Fiscal Analyst, Ways and Means Committee.
This task included analysis of the Executive Eudget and the development of fiscal recommendations to support the programs of the Transportntion Department. Also, fiscal analysis of all transportation legislation for effect on State's revenue program.
Education B. A. in Political Science; 1959 Siena College; Completion of Ph.D Studies, Catholic University of America, 1963, Political Science.
Professional Associations Member of American Public Transportation Association, Committee on Transit Planning.
Instructor, SUNY-Albany. Taught course on graduate level in Transit Finance and Public Policy. 1980-1983.
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January 1987 Home Office 5720 Normanskill Road Transportation Statistics & Analysis Slingerlands, New York 12159 New York State Dept. of Transportation (513) 765-3623 Albany, New York 12232 (518) 457-2967 COAL:
Transportation, engineering, or in forma t ion resources program management.
QUALIFICATIONS: Outstanding transportation policy analysis, management, and research background.
Over 19 years experience in transportation planning and information systems management.
Directs 60+ person professional and support staff.
Expert at managing large complex organizations and implementing change.
Very strong writing and speaking skills.
Over 120 papers and reports: widely published.
National and international reputation.
Strong academic and teaching credentials.
Extensive professional activities.
EDUCATION:
Ph.D., Civil Engineering / Transportation, Northwestern University, 1973 M.S.,
Civil Engineering / Transportation, Northwestern University, 1967 B.S.,
Civil Engineering, Duke University, 1966 A
b EXPERIENCE:
Feb. 1981 -
New York State Department of Transportation, Albany, New York Present Director, Transportation Statistics & Analysis Manage staff of 60+ persons responsible for collection and analysis of statistics on NYS highway system.
Direct information systems for (1) transportation systems extent, condition, and needs (2) traffic data, including design and conduct of traffic and travel surveys, speeds, and trucksi (3) travel trends and forecastsi (4) traffic estimation methods and supporting computer services.
Revitalized an extensive data collection activity into an efficient modern information management system.
Designed and implemented new methods of rapidly assessing highway condition based on photograph scaless cut data delivery time by 907, and improved accuracy and reliability.
This method is used annually to determine the condition of NYS highways.
Streamlined the traffic count program, decentralized t ra f fic equipment and information flows, reduced data access time by 957. and saved $550,000 annually.
Implemented rapid-access low-cost speed and truck monitoring systems.
Assessed the energy impacts of transportation actions.
Revised urban travel simulation procedures using microcomputers and stand-alone traffic forecast methods.
Testified be fore the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on evacuation plans for the Shoreham n
Nuclear Power Facility.
Developed and implemented a
Canal
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Management System for inventory data, project priorities, contracts
'd and work records.
Prepared draft MIS Task Force report charting agency MIS directions.
Implementing a Highway Database for the Department, projected to save $2.45 million annually.
Developing an Infrastructure Needs Assessment Model to forecast repair needs for highways and bridges.
Principal Investigator on 4 federal studies on traffic monitoring and forecasts, and transportation rmam m
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May 1984 -
Special Assistant to the Director of Planning A
Initiated and implemented this assignment for training, education, and experience.
Designed and conducted analysis of information needs for FHWA and the States.
Prepared the " Highway Information Resources Study",
recommending improvements to FHWA's planning-related data systems; implementation by FHWA is underway.
Undertook pavement initiatives studies, long-term monitoring of pavements, and management systems.
Reviewed and analyzed bridge and highway deterioration models and funding
- needs, traffic monitoring, and highway condition studies.
Nov. 1971 -
New York State Department of Transportation, Albany, New York Feb. 1981 Head, Planning Research Unit i
Designed and developed analytic and planning methods studies for the Department.
Directed staff of 10-15 analysts.
Developed analysis methods and procedurest prepared travel forecasts:
developed methods of economic, social and environmental impacts, travel behavior and consumer response.
Analyzed urban transit pricing, service, and fare policies.
Designed and collected 15 travel data sets.
Analyzed energy price and supply shortfalls and their e f fects on travel.
Assessed special transit services t
for elderly and handicapped persons.
Conducted and analyzed 7 public opinion surveys on transportation investments.
Prepared policies and recommendations to NYS !.egislature on transit operating v
assistance.
Studied travel behavior of persons and households.
1967-1971 New York State Department of Transportation, Albany, New York Transportation Analyst conducted research, data collection, and analysis on transportation systems and travel for numerous New York State cities, rural areas, and statewide.
ACADEMIC:
1978-Adjunct Professor, Dept. of Geography, State University of New Present York at Albany.
Helped set up transportation program.
Teach courses in transportation
- analysis, including demand
- models, statistics, travel characteristics, energy, financing.
1974-Initiated and operate NYSDOT student intern program with area Present colleges over 50 interns have served.
Advisor on 2 Ph.D.
and i
several M.S. studies.
i 1976-1979 Adjunct Professor, Department of Civil Engineering Union College.
Taught transportation analysis course, similar to'above.
1974 Adjunct Pro fe s sor, Syracuse University.
Taught undergraduate course in transportation covering travel characteristics, O-legislation, analysis.
1971-Guest lectures at University of Oklahoma, Rensselaer Polytechnic Present Institute, Syracuse. SUNY Buffalo, Union. Ohio State University, University of Illinois, Brooklyn Polytechnic Institute. Purdue,
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PUBLICATIONS: Authored over 120 reports and papers, 63 of which are published in the referred professional literature. Selected most recent:
1984
" Consumer Trade-offs between Mobility and Casoline Savings", with J.M. Brunso, Transportation Research Record 1049, TRB, 1985.
"Eight States Join in Study of Pavement Performance", FOCUS, Newsletter of Strategic Highway Research Program, Nov.-Dec.
" Highway Information Resources Study" report for FHWA, Dec. 1984.
" Application of the Highway Condition Projection Model to Interstate l
I4R Repairs", Transportation Research Record 955, TRB, 1985.
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1985 "How Good is HPMS:
Comparison with State results", Transportation
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Research Record 1060, TRB, 1986.
"The FHWA Highway Information Resources Study:
Overview, Status, Direction", Transportation Research Record 1090, TRB, Washington, DC.
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" Network-level Pavement Condition Rating:
Balancing
- Quality, Quantity and Timeliness", with E.
Herschenhorn, Transportation
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Research Record 1060, TRB, 1986.
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" Integrating Highway Information:
The New York Approach", prepared for presentation at the FHWA File Linkage Con fe rence, Salt Lake City, 1986.
"Are Truck Weights Really Increasing?", with D.M.
Bager, paper l
submitted to the Transportation Research Board, Washington, DC.
j "A Strategy For Change", Draft report of the MIS Task Force, New York State Department of Transportation, 1986.
I PROFESSIONAL:
Served on or chaired over 20 national and international panels and committees.
Presently, Chair of TRB's Subcommittee on Statewide
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In formation Systems.
Chaired the International Conference on Travel Demand (1982),
and TRB Committee on Travel
- Behavior, 1977-1983.
Associate Editor, Transportation, 1974 present.
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Professional Engineering license applied for.
4 AFFILIATIONS: American Public Works Association Transportation Research Board
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REFERENCES:
Kevin E. Heanue W. Stearns Caswell i
Director, Office of Planning
')irector, Transit Division l
Federal Highway Administration, HPN-1 New York State Department Washington, DC 20590 of Transportation 2
I (202) 366-2951 Albany, New York 12232 i
(518) 457-7664 l
Prof. Louis J. Pignataro j
Kayser Professor of Transportation John E. Brentzel. Director
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Institute for Transportation Studies Information Resources Management i
City University of New York New York State Department i
New York, NY 10031 of Transportation (212) 690-8396 Albany, New York 12232 (518) 457-3237
4 David T. Hartgen Publications and Reports November 1986 1966 "A Comprehensive Report of Parking and Tra f fic on Duke University". Civil Engineering Department, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina (with C.N.
Holland) (Senior Thesis).
1967
" Optimum Location and Capacity of University Parking Facilities", Northwestern University, Department of Civil Engineering, June 1967 (Master's Thesis).
1968
" Calibration of Transit Networks in Medium Sized Urban Areas" Transportation Research Record No. 297, TRB, Washington, DC.
1969
" Modal Split in Small Urban Areas", Preliminary Research Report No.
15 NYSDOT July, 1969
" Optimal Design of a Surface Transit System", NYSDOT Report, Albany, NY 12232.
1970 "A Behavioral Hodel of Mode Choice". Preliminary Research Report No.
19, NYSDOT, March (with C.H. Tanner).
1970
" Mode Choice and Attitudes:
A Literature Review", Preliminary Research Report No. 21, NYSDOT, April.
1970
" Individual Attitudes and Family Activities:
A Behavioral Model of Traveler Mode Choice", High Speed Ground Transportation Journal, Volume IV 3, p.
439-467 (with George H. Tanner).
1971
" Investigation of the Effect of Traveler Attitudes in a Model of Mode Choice Behavior", Transportation Research Record No. 369 Transportation Research Board (TRB), Washington, DC (with George H. Tanner).
1972 "A Note on the Ability of Socioeconomic Variables to Explain Attitudinal Bias Toward Alternative Travel Modes", High Speed Ground Transportation Journal, Volume IV:2.
1972
" Forecasting Remote Park & Ride Transit Usage", Preliminary Research Report No. 39, NYSDOT, December.
"The Influence of Attitudinal and Situational Variables on Urban Mode Choice",
1973 Preliminary Research Report No. 41, NYSDOT, March (Ph.D. Dissertation).
1973
" Design for Buffalo Home-Interview Travel Survey",
Preliminary Research Report No. 47, NYSDOT, June.
1973 "Disaggregate Travel Demand Models for Special Context Planning:
A Dissenting O'
View", Transportation Research Board Special Report No. 143. TRB, Washington, DC (with Hartin Wachs), 1974 1973
" Forecasting Demand for Improved Quality Transit Surveys with Small-Sample Surveys" Preliminary Research Report No. 51, NYSDOT, November.
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" Variations in Reference Scale and Perception of Modal Attributes for 4
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55, NYSDOT, November.
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" Development of Intercity Travel Demand Models for NYS Urban Areas",
Preliminary Research Report No.
58, NYSDOT, March, (with G.S.
Cohen and R. Albertin).
1974 "A Systems-Level Planning Application of the Disaggregate Modeling Technique",
Preliminary Research Report No. 62, NYSDOT, June, (with P.S.
Liou and G.S.
I Cohen).
1974
" Design for the Genesee Transportation Study Travel Survey", Preliminary Research Report No. 64, July, NYSDOT.
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1974 Position Bias in Transportation Opinion Questions", Preliminary Research i
Report No. 68, NYSDOT, August.
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1974 "A Dynamic Model of Travel Mode-Switching Behavior", Transportation 3 (1974) 45-58.
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" Attitudinal and Situational Variables Influencing Urban Mode Choice:
Some Empirical Findings", Transportation 3, (1974) 377-392.
1975 "1973 Buffalo Trsvel Survey:
- Design, Conduct, Processing",
(Editor),
Preliminary Research Report No. 82, NYSDOT, August.
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1975
" Individual Travel Behavior Under Energy Constraints", Preliminary Research Report No. 86, NYSDOT, August.
4 1975
" Equity in New York State Transit Fares", Preliminary Research Report No.
l 93, NYSDOT, October (with D.L. Weiss and G.S. Cohen).
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1975 "Disaggregate Access Mode and Station Choice Models for Rail Trips".
Transportation Research Record No. 526 TRB, Washington, DC (with P.S.
Liou and others).
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1975 "Public Transportation Operating Assistance Evaluation and Options - Summary J
Report". NYSDOT, February 1975 (submitted to the New York State Legislature (with C. Keck, et al)).
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1975
" Issues for Implementating Disaggregate Travel Demand Models", (with P.S.
j Liou), in Stopher, P.R.
and Heyburg, A.N.
Behavioral Travel Demand Models, Lexington Press, 1976 (NYSDOT PRR 81).
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" Application of Disaggregate Mode Choice Models to Travel Demand Forecasting
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for Urban Transit Systems", Transportation Research Record No.
534
- TRB, Washington, DC, p. 52-62, (with P.S. Liou and G.S. Cohen).
1975
" Transit Deficits:
A Projection for New York State". Transportation Research
, Record No. 589, TRB, Washington, DC, (with S.M. Howe), 1976.
1975
" Energy Analysis for Urban Transportation Systems:
A Preliminary Assessment".
Transportation Research Record No. 599, TRB, Washington, DC, 1976.
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A Critical V
Review of Current Capacity", Transportation Research Record No.
592
- TRB, Washington, DC.
1976 "Irondequoit-Wayne Expressway:
Before-After Study Design",
Preliminary Research Report No. 101, NYSDOT, June (with S.M. Howe).
1976
" Differential Time-of-Day Transit Fares:
- Revenue, Ridership & Equity".
Transportation Research Record No.
625, TRB, Washington, DC, 1977 (with D.L. Weiss).
1976
" Analysis and Prediction of Non-Work Travel Patterns of the Elderly and Handicapped", Transportation Research Record No. 637, TRB, Washington, DC, (with S.M.
Howe & M. Pasko), 1977.
1976
" Forecasting Dial-A-Bus Ridership in Small Urban Areas",
Transportation Research Record No. 563, TRB, Washington, DC, p. 53-62, (with C.A. Keck).
1976
" Intercity Travel Demand Models:
State-of-the-Art", Office of University Research, USDOT, (with C.S. Cohen).
1977
" Intercity Rail Patronage in NYC-Buffalo Corridor", Preliminary Research Report No. 115, NYSDOT (with C.S. Cohen and N.S. Erlbaum), April.
1977
" Cost-Effective Bus Transit Barrier Removal Policies for Elderly and Handicapped", Preliminary Research Report No. 118, NYSDOT (with D.L.
Weiss)
O July.
1977 "Ridesbaring Behavior A Review of Recent Findings", paper presented at FHWA's FCP Meeting, Columbus, Ohio, November 8 (NYSDOT, PRR #130).
1977
" Automotive Energy Forecasts:
Impact of Price, Availability and Efficiency",
Preliminary Research Report No.
133, NYSDOT (with C.S.
Cohen and N.S.
Erlbaum), December.
1977
" Automotive Energy Forecasts:
Impact of Carpooling, Trip Chaining, and Auto Owne rship", Preliminary Research Report No. 134, NYSDOT, December (with N.S. Erlbaum and C.S. Cohen).
1977
" Incorporating Barrier Ef fects in Elderly and Handicapped Transit Demand Forecasts". Transportation Research Record No.
660, TRB, Washington, DC, 1978 (with R. Knighton).
1977 "Who Favors Work-Schedule Changes, and Why". Transportation Research Record No. 677, TRB, Washington, DC, 1978 (with A.A. Tannir).
1977
" Traffic Impacts of Work Schedule Changes in Medium-Sized Areas".
Transportation Research Record No.
677, TRB, Washington, DC, 1978 (with A.A. Tennir).
1977
" Pedestrian Movement at the Ski Jump, 1980 Winter Olympics", Transportation Research Record No. 683 TRB, Washington, DC (with Peter L. Wolf), 1978.
1978
" Intercity Rail Travel Models", Transportation Research Record No.
673 TRB, Washington, DC (with C.S. Cohen and N.S.
Erlbaum).
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1978 "NYS Casoline Use:
Impact of Supply Restrictions and Embargoes", Preliminary Research Report No. 142, NYSDOT (with N.S. Erlbaum and G.S. Cohen), August.
1978
" Distance-Based Transit Fares:
Robin Hood or Sheriff of Nottingham?"
Preliminary Research Report No. 145, NYSDOT (with D. Ballou and L. Mohan).
1978 "Can Current Transportation Planning Methods Analyze Women's Travel Issues?",
paper presented at the Conference on Women's Travel Issues, Washington, DC (Preliminary Research Report No. 149).
1978
" Foreign Oil Dependence:
A State-Level Analysis", (with R.
Margiotta and L.
Reilly). Transportation Research Record No.
726 TRB, Washington, DC, 1979.
1978
" Transit's Role". Editorial for Transportation, 6:3.
1978
" Transportation Energy:
An Overview with Emphasis on New York State",
Transportation Research Record No.710, TRB, Washington, DC,1979, 1978
" Behavioral Science Applications to Issues in Transportation Planning",
in Richard H.
- Michaels, Transportation Planning and Decision Making:
Behavioral Science Contributions, Praeger Press 1980.
1978
" Upstate New York's Response to the Mandates of the Clean Air Act."
Transportation Research Record No.
714, TRB, Washington, DC, 1979 (with
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R. Zabinski and G.S. Cohen).
1979 Carpool Coordination Demonstration Study Overview and Analysis of 'Before' Data". Preliminary Research Report No. 150, NYSDOT, March (with J.H. Brunso).
1979 "Toward a Leading Travel Indicator". Preliminary Research Report No. 154, NYSDOT June (with P. Koeppel).
1979
" Guidelines for Transportation Energy Contingency Plans", Preliminary Research Report No. 157, NYSDOT, May 1979 (with others).
1979 "A
Note on Representing Multiple-Alternative Competition",
Preliminary Research Report No. 166, NYSDOT, August (with others).
1979
" Behavioral Models in Transportation:
Perspectives, Problems. Prospects",
in David Bannister and Peter Hall, Transport and Public Polley Planning, Hunsell Press (1981).
1979
" Family reactions to Energy Constraints", (with S.P.
Phifer and A.J.
Neveu)
Transportation Research Record No. 765, TRB, Washington, DC.
1979
" Energy Considerations in Transportation Planning:
The New York State Approach", in State Energy conservation Activities, FHWA report, June 1980.
1979
" Changes in Travel in Response to the 1979 Energy Crisis", (with others),
Preliminary Research Report No. 170, NYSDOT, (November).
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1980 ' " Traffic Adjustments from Energy Economy and Population Changes", Preliminary
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Research Report No. 175, NYSDOT (with others),
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1980
"!.ong-Range Forecasts of Transportation Energy Consumption in New York State",
j Transportation Research Record No.
764, TRB, Washington, DC (with N.S.
Erlbaum).
1980 "Who Reads the Transportation Planning 1.iterature?", Transportation Research Record No. 793, TRB, Washington DC, (with C.S. Cohen and F. McEvoy), 1981.
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1980 "An Assessment of Cames as Methods of Providing Information on Casoline Conservation", Transportation Research Record No.
801, TRB, Washington,
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DC (1981) (with D. Cabrera).
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" Transportation Energy Impact Assessment Current Capabilities and Future i
Needs", Preliminary Research Report No. 178, NYSDOT, July (with N.S. Erlbaum).
l 1980
" Procedures and Data Needs for Estimating Casoline Use in Urban Areas",
i Preliminary Research Report No. 187, NYSDOT, July 1980 (with N.S. Erlbaum).
1980 "Research Design for the Neighborhood Ridesharing Demonstration Study",
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Preliminary Research Report No.
189, NYSDOT, 1980 (vith J.H.
Brunso and l
l W.R. Ugolik).
1980
" Transportation Energy contingencies:
A Status Report on Public Response j
and Covernment Roles", Journal of Advanced Transportation, Spring, 1980.
j 1980 "The 1979 Energy Crisis - Who Conserved How Much" (with A.J.
Neveu), paper i
presented at the National Energy Users Conferenre San Antonio, Apell 1980 (published in Transportation Research Board Special Report
- 191, TRB, l
Washington, DC 1981).
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" Urban Passenger Strategies (for Transportation Energy Contingencies!",
Workshop Summary, Transportation Research Board Special Report No.
- 191,
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TRB, Washington, DC, 1980.
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l 1980 "What Will Happen to Travel in the Next 20 Years". Tra n s po rt a t ion Research I
Record No. 807, TRB, Washington, DC, 1981.
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i 1980 "1ssues for Developing State Transportation Energy Emergency Conservation Plans", (with R.
Bixby and M.
Kocis), Transportation Research Record No, i
801, TRB, Washington, DC, 1981.
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1981
" Transportation and the Behavioral Sciences", in Irwin Altman, Jack Wohlwill
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and Peter Everett, Transportation and Behavior, Plenum Press, 1981.
l 1981
" Transportation Energy Assessment for 1.oca l Governments" (with J.H.
Cross j
and C.E. Heyers) Institute of Traf fic Engineers Journal, 51:7, July,1981.
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1981 "Can Employer-Based Carpool Coordinators Increase Ridesharing", (with J.H.
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Brunso), Transportation Research Record No. 823 TRB, Washington, DC, 1981.
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1981
" Energy Conservation in Transportation Systems Performance", International i
Symposium on Surface Transportation System Performance, U.S.
Department t
j of Transportation, May 11-13, 1981.
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" Transit Price and Service Variations", Workshop Summary. TSC Con fe renc e on Future Directions for Transit Pricing, 1981 (with L. Doxsey).
1981
" Analysis and Prediction of Highway Condition", Transportation Analysis Report No. 2, September, 1981, NYSDOT.
1981
" Visual Scales of Pavement Condition:
Development, Validation, and Use",
Transportation Research Record No. 893 TRB, Washington, DC, (with J. Shufon
& F. Pare 11a), 1982.
1981 "The Pavement Condition of N.Y. 's Highways:
1981", Transportation Analysis Report No. 4, 1981, December, 1981, NYSDOT.
1981 "Ridesharing Behavior and Marketing", summary of workshop, Transportation Research Board Special Report 193, TRB, Washington, DC, 1981.
1982
" Revised Procedures for Factoring Short Traffic Counts to AADT",
Transportation Analysis Report No. 10, NYSDOT, July (with J. Lemmerman).
1982
" Equity Impacts of Casoline Shortages and Price Rises",
Transportation Analysis Report No. 20, NYSDOT, August (with J.H. Brunso and S. Kupferman).
1982
" Neighborhood Ridesharing Demonstration Study:
Final Report" (with J.H.
Brunso) U.S. Department of Transportation, March, 1982.
1982
" Statistical Controls in Ridesharing Demonstration Programs", Transportation O
Research Record No. 914, TRB, Washington, DC, (with J.H. Brunso).
1982
" Community Based Ridesharing:
An Overlooked Option", Transportation Research Record No. 914 TRB, Washington, DC (with J.H. Brunso).
1982 "New York's Perspective on Transportation Energy Contingency Planning",
paper presented at the Conference on Transportation Contingency Planning Purdue University, April 29 30, 1982 (Energy The International Journal, August-September, 1983, p. 603 608).
1982
" Transportation Energy Contingency Planning" Editorial for Transportation, 11:2. August.
1982
" Streamlining the Collection and Processing of Traf fic Count Statistics",
(with J.
Lemmerman) Transportat ton Research Record No. 928 TRB, Washington, DC, 1983.
1982 "Long-Term Prediction of liighway Condition", Transportation Research Record No. 940. TRB, Washington, DC, 1983.
1982
" Windshield Surveys of Pavement Conditions A Feasible Input to Pavement Management". (with J.J.
Shufon), Transportation Research Record No.
- 938, TRB, Washington, DC, 1983.
1982 "Where Panels Work:
Some Examples from Transportation Planning", paper presented at the World t'onference on Transportation Research, llambu rg,
b Cermany, April 1983.
1982 "The Pavement Condition of New York's liighways :
1982", report for NYSDOT, December, 1982.
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l 1983
" Initial and Subsequent Consumer Response to Casoline Shortages", (with J.M.
Bruneo and A.J.
Neveu), paper presented at the Conference on Energy O
Contingency Planning in Urban Areas.
- Houston, Texas, April 7-9, 1983 (Published in Transportation Research Board Special Report 203, 1983).
1983 "Research And Risks:
How to Beat the Odds". Transportation News, May-June, 1983.
1983
" Travel Analysis Methods for the 1980's:
Executive Sunusary", Transportation Research Board Special Report 201, TAB, Washington, DC, 1983.
1983 "An Update on Household Trip Ceneration Rates" (with J.M.
Brunso)
Transportation Research Record No. 987, TRB, Washington, DC,1984 1983
" Status of Highway Condition Scoring in New York". Transportation desearch Record 997, TR8, 1984.
1983
" Application of the Highway Condition Pro jection Model to Interstate I-4R Analysis", Transportation Research Record No.
955 TRB, Washington, DC, 1984.
1983
" Perception of the Infrastructure" (with A.J. Neveu) Transportation Analysis Report No. 34, NYSDOT, July 1987.
1983
" Characteristics of Doublu Trailer Trucks in New York State" Transportation Research Record No. 966, TRB, Washington, DC, 1984.
1983 "The Pavement Condition of New York's Highways, 1983" Report to NYSDOT, October, 1983, 1984
" Consumer Trade-offs between Mobility Maintenance and Casoline Savings".
Transportation Research Record No.
1049 TAB, Washington, DC, 1985 (with J.H.
Brunso).
1984
" Concept Paper for an Infrastructure Data Base", NYSDOT, April, 1984.
1984 Incorporating Energy Analysis in T!P Process", report for FHWA, Washington, DC, 1984 (with others).
1984
" Uncertainty in Traffic Forecasts and Its tmpact on Pavement Design", with A.J.
Neveu, paper prepared for FHWA, February, 1984 (NYSDOT Transportation Analysis Report No. 49).
1984 "Eight States Join in Study of Pavement Performance", article for fpCUS.
Newsletter of Strategic Highway Research Program, Nov. Dec.,1984 1984 "Covernment Roles in Transportation Energy Conservation", prepared for the ASCE meeting August, 1984 (with N.S. Erlbaum).
1984
" Highway Information Resources Study" report for FHWA, Dec. 1984.
1985
" State Views of a State & 1.oca l Highway Program", paper for FHWA, March 1985.
1985 "Use of a Simplified Urban Traffic Forecasting Procedure for Project Analysis" with A.J.
- Neveu, paper presented at Conference on Hierocomputers in Transportation, San Diego, June, 1985.
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C 1985 "llow Cood is the Highway Performance Monitoring System?:
Comparison with
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State Results", paper prepared for Conference on llPMS Analytical Process, July 16-18, Kansas City, MO (Published in Transportation Research Record No. 1060, TRB, Washington, DC, 1986).
1985 "The FHWA Highway Information Resources Study Overview, Status, Direction".
Transportation Research Record (In press). TRB, Washington, DC, 1986.
1985 "Emsrging Trends in NYS Double-Trailor Traffic",
with D.C.
- Fifield, Transportation Analysis Report No. 58, NYSDOT, 1985.
1985
" Network-level Pavement Condition Rating:
Balancing Quality, Quantity and Timeliness",
(with E.
IIe rs c henho rn ), Transportation Research Record No.
1060, TRB, Washington, DC, 1986.
1986
" Integrating liighway Information:
The New York Approach", presented at the FHWA File Linkage Conference, Salt Lake City, 1986.
1986 "Are Truck Weights Really increasing?", paper submitted to the Transportation Research Board, Washington, DC.
1986 "A Strategy for Change", Draft report of the MIS Task Force, NYSDOT, 1986.
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Associate Editor, Transportation, 1975-Present.
Associate Editor, Journal of Advanced Transportation, 1974-1980.
Chairman, TRB Committee on Travel Behavior and Values (AIC04), 1977-1982.
Chairman, TRB Subcommittee on Statewide Information Systems,1985-Present.
Chairman, conference on Travel Analysis Hechods for the 1980's, 1982.
Chairman, U.S. Committee on Fourth International Conference on Travel Behavior, 1979.
Chairman, NCilRP Panel on Fuel Supply Limitations on Travel (NCllRP 8-23), 1976-1978.
Chairman, NCilRP Panel on New Approaches on Travel Behavior (NCllRP 8-14), 1975-1980.
Chairman, NCilRP Panel on Transit Service for Disadvantaged (NCllRP 8-27), 1981-1983.
Secretary. TRB Executive Committee, Subcommittee on TRB Financing, 1976-77.
Member. TRB Committee on Passenger Travel Demand Forecasting, 1976-82.
Member, TAB Committee on Travel Behavior & Values, 1983-Present.
Member TRB Committee on Energy, 1981-Present.
Hember, TRB Committee on Information Systems,1983 Present.
Member TRB Committee on Pubite Transportation Planning & Development, 1975-77.
Member, NCllRP Panel on Peak Period Traffic Congestion (NCllRP 7 10), 1974-79.
Member, Advisory Panel, Collection of a Disaggregate Data Set, 1975-78.
Member Advisory Panet. Alternative Roles of the Automobile, 1975-76.
Member, Advisory Panel, Second conference on Travel Behavior, 1975.
Member, Advisory Panel Conference on Behavioral Applications to Travel,1978.
Hamber, Advisory Panet Conference on Urban Transportation Planning in the 1980's, 1981.
Hember, Advisory Panel, Conference on Transportation Energy Contingency Planning, 1983.
Member, Advisory Panel,1985 Conference on Travel Behavior.
(~N Hember, Advisory Panel,1987 Conference on Transportation Applications.
y) Principal Reviewer, National Academy of Sciences.
Who 's Mio in t he Ea s t, 1974 Present.
Mio's Mio in Covernment. 1977 Present.
Charter Member, International Association for Travel Behavior, 1985.
American Public Works Association
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b Northwestern University:
1966-67, 1970-71 Transportation Planning and Urban Systems:
CE C 70 Highway Planning CE C 74 City Planning !!
CE C 73 City and Regional Planning CE E 80 H.S. Research CE D 74-1 Traffic Engineering I CC D 86 Urban Information Systems CE D 85 Analysis of Urban Systems CE E 90 Research: Attitude Scaling CE D 79 Urban Transportation Planning and Hessurement CE D 80 Traffic Hodels CE E 18 Technological Innovation CE D 74-2 Traffic Engineering !!
Econ C$3 Urban Economics CE D 72 Transportation Engineering CE D 80 Urban Travel Hodels CE E 99 Ph.D. Research Statistics and Operations Research IE C 02 Engineering Statistics IE C $3 Operations Research CE D01 20 Hethods of Urban and Regional Analysis CE C 74 Hultivariate Statistics CE D 85 Stochastic Spatial Patterns Social and Psychology:
(] JOUR C 05 Consumer Hotivation and Behavior
'v SOC D 03 Survey Research Methods PSY C 27 Hathematical Hodels of Behavior CE D 01 Scaling Methods H.S. Thesias
" Optimum 1.ocation and Capacity of University Parking Facilities," June 1967 Ph.D. Thesis "The Influence of Attitudinal and Situational Variables on Urban Mode Choice," June 1973.
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ATTACEMINT 1
~3 < a,,y Aiuii6LLa CHARLES C. MILDUrr - Qualifliations~and Experience- -- ______
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Transportation New York Stato Office Building voterans Memorial Highway Hauppauge, Now York 11788 (516) 360-6128 (Business)
Phone Bachelor of Science, Civil Engineering -
Graduated Training:
University of Mississippi.
August 1952.
Master of Scion:o - Transportation planning - Polytechnic Instituto Graduated June 1971.
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of Brooklyn.
Other training includes coursos in the 1965 Traffic capacity Manual given by l
Polytechnic Instituto of Brooklyn and aPro given by the Transportation Roscargh J
Inctituto, Carnegie-Mollen University,,,
Pennsylvania - 1977.
Pittsburgh, (s)
USMO 1952 to 1954 - Engineer Battalion -
.v Work Experiences Walsh Constructt:n - 1955 - Ccnstruction Officer EngineerCenahuo - 1956 - C:nstru:tien Buck &
Andrews & Clarke, :n:. (Highway Design)
Enginoor 1956 to 1962 cf Transportation -
How York Stato Dept. Design and constructi n - 1962 t 1963 to present.
Planning & Devel:pment -
Current;y supervising :no Pegi:nai Oovo'.:pment secta:n.
pr:fessi:nal Inganocring in now Y rk Liennsed to pra:ti:o Stato in 1961.
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?!L11spaugh, Age 60 is presently Supervisor of the Traffic Engineering D: sign Review Section in the }tain Of fice of the Traffic and Safety Division, New York State Dop4rtment of Transportation, lie has primary responsibility for m nagement, development, and overview of the traffic engineering design review and design assistance program in the Departments eleven (11) regions.
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with New York State DOT and previous b years with the City of Cleveland twa.tre re devoted primarily to traffic operations and traffic engineering design.
Also.
previous experience includes 5 years with United States Steel Corporation in structural design of steel manuf acturing plants.
Its received a Bachelor of Civil Engineering degree at Ohio State University in 1952.
lie is a registered professional engineer in New York and Ohio, llo previously served as a panel rnomber on NcitRP Project 3 30, FY'83 " Intersection Channe11sation".
S:e attached duties, responsibilities, exportence and education, m
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O DESCRIPTION OF DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES SUPERVISOR - TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DESIGN REVIEW SECTION i
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U dar general supervision is responsible for management and development of the l
traffic engineering design review and design assistance program.
Responsible for the programs involving monitoring of the traffic engineering design reviews ccnducted by the Regional Traffic and Safety Groups to insure compliance with review standards, evaluation of the completeness of the reviews, and determination i
of the need for developing training, policies, directives and standards pertaining to traffic operations.
1 Specific duties:
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Manages program by scheduling or conducting field studies in the Regions to evaluate and monitor Regions' execution of program activity.
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Assigns projects for review and analysis, upon receipt of request for special i'
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and completing the review.
Reviews the recommendations and alternate proposals of the section's staff to assure compliance with standards and Department policies.
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Represents the Traffic and Safety Division at design review conferences and submits comments and recommendations relating to safety, operations and traf fic control.
4 Develops procedures and guidelines to be followed by the Regions in the reviev of geometric design and the review of traf fic control devices in contracts.
i Confers with the Regional Traf fic and Safety Groups to assure uniform inter-pretation and application of policies and procedures in review of projects from a traffic engineering viewpoint.
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Provides technical geometric design and traf fic control advice to the Regions i
and to the Training Bureau to develop design seminars or courses for Main i
Office and Regional Design and Traffic and Safety staf f members.
Oversees and participates in seminars to assure that all personnel involved in the preparation and review of contract plans are kept abreast of rapidly changing developments in traffic control devices and current design standards.
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Develops guidelines and supervises the preparation of traf fic control plans i
for capital projects.
The traffic control
- plans, approved by local jurisdictions, are required by the Federal Highway Administration prior to the release of Federal funds.
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Provides expert testimony in Court of Claims cases involving geometric design features and/or application of traffic control devices, at the request of the Attorney General's office.
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tion review procedures and guidelines.
On site construction reviews by Regional and Traf fic and Safety Groups assure that proper and adequate traf fic control devicae and the appitcation thereof are used to protect motorists, pedestrians i
and workmen during construction.
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Assists the Regions, the Office of Ceneral Services and other State agencies i
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Supervises the review of private development proposals for large traffic generators, such as Regional shopping conters, to assure that the entrances to State highways will not have an adverse affect on traffic and that proper and adequate traf fic control devices will be provided.
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New York State Department Supervisor of Traffic Engineering Present of Transportation. Traffic Design Review Section
& Safety Division Albany, New York Aug. 1956 -
United States Steel Corp.
Prepared or checked designs.
Aug. 1961 American Steel 6 Wire Div.
plans, specifications, and Cleveland, Ohio estimates for the construction of reinforced concrete foun-dations and steel structures for stool manufacturing plants.
Jan. 1953 -
City of Cleveland, Ohio Assistant Traffic Engineer -
Aug. 1956 -
Traffic Engineering Div.
Performed responsible traffic engineering work in making designs, plans and reports.
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Baldwin Wallace College June 1948 Darea, Ohio Jan. 1949 -
Ohio State Univ.
Dachelor Dec. 1952 Columbus, Ohio Civil Engineering Borne June 12, 1926 United States Citisen M
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