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| Site: | Shoreham File:Long Island Lighting Company icon.png |
| Issue date: | 01/09/1987 |
| From: | Weismantle J LONG ISLAND LIGHTING CO. |
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| CON-#187-2661 86-533-01-OL, 86-533-1-OL, OL-5, NUDOCS 8703050083 | |
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12 exercise as the Shoreham plant. l 13 During the course of the day I'll be asking a i 14 number of questions regarding that exercise. I will try to 15 refer to the February 13th exercise at the exercise. 16 Any questions you may have regarding my i 17 questions or any clarification you may want please ask and [ l 18 I'll do my best to make things clear so that we will both i l 19 have a common understanding. i l l 20 E XAMINATION 21 BY MR. MILLER: 22 0 Would you ploano state your name and addross for t t l Acti-FIIDlIRAL RiiPORTliRS, INC. ! t m mm., s.o ,e. a a .,, m ,, ..o w .
510 01 01 5 marysimons 1 the record? 2' A It's John Weismantle, and I live at 9 Cori Lane, 3 East Northport. 4 0 Could you tell me generally, Mr. Weismantle, 5 what you did to prepare for this deposition? 6j A Yes. I reviewed the contentions, I reviewed 7il certain related written materials and had some discussions
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15 0 0 Mr. Wolsmantle, with respect to the contentions d 16 l you reviewed, did you review all the contentions that have il i 17 ! boon filed by the governments in this caso? 18 l A Well I reviewed the ones where I was a witness, l 19 l whoro I had boon designated as a witness. 20 0 Are those contentions Contentions 22(a), 36, 38, l 21 40, 41, 49 and 507
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8l be on that contention? 9 A I would have to refresh my memory. I may be 10 wrong about the number 15. 11 MR. 2EUGIN: I think maybe I can clear it up.
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I 12 I'm not sure any more whether I said i,t or whether Chuck 13 may have given you a list of people he believed were on I l 14 k Contention 15. Basically we dc' intend to,have Mr. R Il 15 j! Weismantle testify on contention 15. It would be a fairly 16 l narrow area that he would be expected to testify on. It i 17 h would largely be the sirens and the elements that he may 18ll have had some role in dociding whether or not they would i 19 ! actually be exercised on the day of the exercise. It's a 20 very limited role that Mr. Weismantlo had'on 15. I 21 ! MR. MILLER: Okay. We'll discuss that later.
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510.01 01 10 marysimons~l the subject areas that I will be a witness.on. 2 0 Mr. Weismantle, to date, to-your knowledge, has I 3 i any testimony been prepared by you or under your 4 supervision or direction on the contentions you will-be 5 testifying about at the hearings? 6 A Well, there has been certain discussions I've 7 had with the lawyers and others will be involved in the 8 preparation of testimony and, you know, some materials I'm 9 sure are in the process of preparation that I haven't 10 reviewed or have knowledge of, but there are no documents {} 11 that I'm aware of that are testimony per se that have been 12 prepared and certainly none that I've seen in that form. 13 But in the preparation obviously for a case like 14 this there is work going on now. 15 0 To your knowledge, at this time are there in 16 existence any reports or analyses, research, memoranda and 17 things of that sort of any kind regarding the contentions 18 you will be testify about that would be used at least in 19 part to support the testimony that you will offer at the 20 hearings? 21 A Well, certainly there are materials that relate 22 to the issues in the case, and I'm sure that those ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coverage 8fn346M6
510 01 01 11 marysimons 1 materials in part as modified probably will be a basis for. 2 further testimony. I mean we just didn't run the exercise 3- and go away and do nothing. LERO went on, including 4 revisions to the plan, as you know, and training and so 5 forth that accounted for our experience in the exercise, 6 and that's all I think relevant to many of these issues, if. 7 not all of them. 8 0 Have_you personally read or reviewed any of the 9 kinds of documents that you are describing to me that are 10 in existence relating to the February 13th exercise? {} 11 A Sure, I've looked at some of them, yes. 12 0 can you tell me, to the best of your 1 13 recollection, those that you've reviewed or read? 14 A I can't give you a list, no. There are all 15 sorts of materials that have been developed obviously to 16 prepare for the litigation and for the depositions. 17 0 Can you tell me those that you recall without 18 giving me a list? What I'm asking you to do is just tell 19 me what you have seen, to the best of your recollection, at 20 this time. 21 A There have been some draft materials put j 22 together on some of the contentions that present facts and I l ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. ( aew.~ 8 a - u. c - ,. -
510 01 01 12 marysimons 1 present, oh, rebuttal to some of the contentions-that are 2 put forth'in your case. There have been copies of the 3 logs, extracts from the logs that relate to specific , 4 contentions, the sort of litigation preparation that I'm 5 sure you go through. 6 0 With respect to the draft materials on some of 7 the contentions that you mentioned that'present the facts 8 and'some rebuttal to the contentions, can you tell me which 9 contentions you have seen such materials for? 10 A I've seen them on a number of them. Again, I (} 11 can't tell you numbers because at this point I don't 12 correlate the numbers to the issues. I can't give you a I 13 list of them, no. 14 0 Can you describe the issues that are addressed 15 in these materials? 16 A Well, let me put it this way. It is probably on 17 most of the issues that I'm involved in, traffic impediment 18 being one of them, but I don't in my own mind because of
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4 0 Maybe then the best way to approach this is as 5 we go-through the contentions with you we can ask about any 6 documents and that may help your memory in'that regard. 7 A All right. You're right, that may be a better f- 8 way to do it. 9 0 To your knowledge, Mr. Weismantle, are there 10 memoranda in existence that have been prepared by LILCO or ( 11 on its behalf that describe or evaluate the results of the 12 exercise? 13 A Sure. 14 0 can you give me examples of those kinds of 6 15 memoranda that exist? 16 A Well, we revised our plan as a result of the 17 exercise. Certainly the revisions in Rev. 7 and 8 are 18 revisions to the plan in response deficiencies that were 19 identified by FEMA in their report. The revisions to the 20 plan are documented through memoranda and obviously there 21 j are supporting documents that led up to the issuance of the (~T s/ l 22 i plan revisions. ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202J47-37(O Nationwide Coserage Mn3E6M6
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.msrysimons'l 0 With the exception of the. plan revisions, what 2 about other memoranda that evaluate.the results of the-3 exercise and LERO's performance at the exercise. Do such 4 memoranda exist, to your knowledge?
5 .A There are materials -- when you say memoranda, 6 just in the preparation for this case there are materials, 7 as I said before, that I would characterize as evaluating 8 our performance in the exercise specifically focused on the 9 contentions. There are lots of materials. You know, we 10 are preparing for litigation. We' re not' sitting back and 11 reacting. {'] 12 0 Have you prepared any such. materials? 13 A Have I prepared personally? Probably no. I 14 don't recall. See, my role is not quite the same as it was 15 before. You know, maybe I ought to mention that. I don't 16 have day-to-day responsibility for LERIO any more, and I 17 haven't had it since shortly after the exercise. So I'm 18 not in charge of the group whose full responsibility is 19 emergency preparedness in all its aspects. 20 0 We'll come back to that I think also, Mr. 21 Weismantle. But oack to these documents that may exist,
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510'01.01 15 marysimons 1 for you at your direction or under your supervision? 2 A Yes, as part of the'overall process that the 3 company is engaged in to prepare for the litigation which 4 has been really ongoing since the_ exercise. t 5 0 Are you able to specifically identify any of 6 those kinds of materials that are in existence? 7 -A Well, there are lots of them. Again, when'you 4 8 'say specifically identify,fI'm at a loss. 'I can't tell you 9 dates and the titles -and things like that because I don' t' 10 have a photographic memory. 7 f 111 0 Give me a description if you could. { ). 12 A Well there are documents that.have been 13 developed for the contingency that summary disposition . 14 motions would be filed by the company on some of these 15 issues. Is that the sort of thing you're talking about? 4 16 0 Sure. 17 A Okay. There are,'as I said before, collections 18 of logs and so forth to support time lines. Some of your 19 contentions relate to the timeliness of things and how long 20 it took and whether it was adequate cn not. So somebody [ 21 put copies of log sheets and messages and so forth in the O k/ 22 order of the time line to develop the facts for responding 4 L ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Natkmwide Coverage RW336-6M6
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h - 1 510 01 01 16 msrysimons 1 to your contentions, and all the work that went into I 2 guess the motions answering :your original contention 3 filing. That wasn't generated out of thin air. 4 There were facts gathered and documents put 5 together to support the words .that went into our motion, 6 and the same thing with the request for admission. Where 7 we denied something it wasn't because we said flip the coin 8 and said we deny it, but it was because facts were 9 developed that supported the denial. There is no master 10 book any place that I got that has all of these documents 11 and it's catalogued issued by issue. It's a compilation of [] 12 documents I've seen, some of which I haven't read, some of 13 which I've read and some of which I've scanned. 14 0 Mr. Weismantle, to your knowledge, does LILCO 15 intend to file summary disposition motions in this case? 16 A I don't know. 17 0 Let's just talk for a moment, Mr. Weismantle, 18 about your involvement in LERO prior to the exercise of 19 February 13th. Could you just tell me what involvement 20 generally you had prior to that time in LERO? l 21 A How long prior? Do you want me to focus on two i O
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510101 01- 18 marysimons 1 I think it's as simple as that. I had the 2 responsibility for that organization, for LERIO,'and 3 obviously as the exercise date drew nearer, our first 4 priority was preparation for that exercise. 5 0 Now in connection with your job in LERIO, did 6 you schedule training activities including drills, practice 7 drills? 8 A Yes. I had the final word on. scheduling them, 9 that's right, that were scheduled by that organization. 10 0 Did you develop training scenarios? 11 A No. 12 0 Who was responsible for that? 13 A Well the LILCO employee consultants mainly and
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2 A- Well in general that's true. Whether somebody-3- may have at some time in the three months said we want to 4- do something like this, which might have been entirely 5 different than what we did and impact personnel in LERO or 6 in my organization, I don't know. They may have said that 7 to me for the training exercise leading up to the drill. 8 But in general I didn't know the content of the 9 drill exercises and I have made it a practice over the 10 years, except for the initial set of training which was '{} 11 done, and I can' t even remember which year, but when LERO 12 had their first training drills, and then I got involved in 13 the scenarios because I wanted to see what made them tick 14 and how they were developed, but after that I haven't been. 15 (Witness confers with his counsel.) 16 Mr. Zeugin thinks I may have confused exercise 17 and drill. What I was referring to in my last answer was 18 the practice drills leading to the exercise in terms of the 19 l possibility that someone may have bounced something off me 20 for the practice drills, a new twist or something that may 21 have involved a logistic problem of support, meaning not .fr
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510 01 01 20 marysimons I with in the exercise at LILCO, starting times or quitting
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8 Q Mr. Weismantle, let me just return for a moment 9 to the subject of documents. To your knowledge, have there 10 been any what I'll call non-litigation related analyses 11 reports prepared for LERO since the exercise, and let me { '} 12 try to define what that would be. For example, an analysis 13 that would have been prepared to inform LERO about 14 deficiencies and possible fixes and evaluating the l 15 performance on the day of the exercise? 16 A To what, to informally --- 17 0 To inform LERO. In other words, documents that 18 would tell LERO how they performed, how they could have 19 done better possible fixes to deficiencies that were not 20 prepared necessarily in relation to this litigation, but 21 were prepared for LERO as an organization. 22 A Well, sure. After the exercise the exercise was ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 4 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 80LL336-6M6
510 01 01 21 marysimons 1 evaluated by PEMA. As you know, they issued a report. 2 Obviously LILCO evaluated that FEMA report and took action
, 3 as evidenced in Rev. 7 and 8. We modified certain training 4 materials. We modified certain parts of the plan. We had 5 a special tabletop, for instance, on traffic impediments.
6 Those obviously will be relevant to the litigation, but 7 those weren' t prepared per se for the litigation because at 8 that point we didn't know what contentions, if any, wotrld 9 be accepted. 10 We went on with LERO. LERO is still alive. ('T V 11 People are being trained, people are being added to the 12 organization as others retire or leave the company, et 13 cetera. So LERIO still exists and still supports LERO and 14 we continue with the ongoing planning effort. 15 0 Were there documents, memoranda, analyses, et 16 cetera, prepared after the exercise for the purpose of 17 advising LERO -f its performance and how things could have 18 been done differently? 19 A As you know, there were, and I guess we called i 20 them LILCO observers, at the exercise and they prepared 21 certain materials, yes. f~) r
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510 01 01 22 marysimons 1 observer reports? 2 A I'm sure there were derivative documents from 3 those reports, but there was no outside, independent 4 assessment or anything like that doc >r as a comprehensive 5 effort to review the exercise if that's what,you're driving ML ' 6 at. No, to yeer knowledge, I should say. A,U 7 0 With respect to the modifications made in the 8 LERO training materials after the exercise in connection 9 with Revisions 7 and 8, were those modifications made in 10 response to any recommendations received from training 11 personnel or outside organizations to LERO? v 12 A There were certain areas of the exercise that 13 l indicated improvements could be made in our plan, 14 procedures, et cetera. I don't think there is a huge area i 15 of disagreement between the company and FEMA on the 16 analysis of the exercise. There were some problems with us i 17 handling traffic impediments. 18 l As a result of the observations of the exercise, { i 19 l whether FEMA was there or not, our observers would have k 20 I reached the same conclusion and I think the same resolution 21 to those problems. So when you talk about changes made as 1 22 a result of LILCO or other outside analyses of the 0 l 4 ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 2t)2-341371 t) %tionaide Coserage N Xb 336-6M6
510 01-01 23 marysimons 1 exercise, I think the record is clear. We have revised the 2 plan and procedures and we-have identified why we revised 3 it in documents that were sent to FEMA and I think other 4 documents you have as a result of discovery. You know,
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7 0 Let me just focus for.a moment on the _ training 8 revisions since the exercise. Who made the decision as to 9 where training needed to be modified?
-10 A Well I think basically it was a decision by the l 11 LERIO organization. Now as I said, I have not had day-to-12 day responsibility for that organization. Chuck Daverio 13 had responsibility and Doug Crocker. Chuck and I, and 14 particularly Chuck still remained in the Office of Nuclear, 15 -I wasn't.in the Office of Nuclear, as an assistant to John 16 Leonard and he still had oversight responsibility, as I f- 17 understand it, for LERIO.
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510.01-01 24 marysimons 1 My responsibility when I had it was strictly 2 offsite. Once I left the scene, so to speak, Chuck in 3 essen,ce was in charge'of offsite or onsite and reported up 4 the line. Once he got a different assignment he still had 5 some oversight responsibility and Doug Crocker took his 6 place in the day-to-day operations. 7 So that division obviously in consultation with 8 others had, in my mind, the responsibility for making those 9 changes in the plan and procedures. There was interplay in 10 that though with people like myself simply because I was a (~3 11 player in the exercise and in LERO and other key LERO
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4 12 members who had jobs that related to these areas that were 13 going to be modified somewhat. So that whole process 14 resulted in these changes. 15 0 Mr. Weismantle, with respect to the training 16 modifications following the exercise, is it fair to say 2 17 that the process is one that members of LERIO simply began 18 looking through the training materials to see where 19 revisions needed to be made and then made those revisions? 20 A That's a complete oversimplification of it. 21 0 The processes I'm asking about are the training i
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510 01 01 25 0 mnrysimons 1 worked, how it was instituted and who implemented it. 2 A Well, let me e-ay right up front that I didn't 3 have day-to-day responsibilities or wasn't as involved as I 4 would have been had my job responsibilities not changed. 5 To my knowledge, it was a process similar to what has gone 6 on before with discussions within LERO, which is part of 7 the Emergency Planning Division, with discussions with key 8 members of the LERO organization whose jobs would be 9 affected by these proposed changes, with discussions with 10 consultants from IMPELL and elsewhere and other 11 organizations who have special expertise in these areas. 12 This whole process leads to final revisions, you 13 l know, official revisions that are signed off and published I 14 in the plan and procedures and then used in the training 15 and drills that follow. l 16 0 To your knowledge, was there any document 17 j prepared following the exercise that its purpose was to 18 ' recommend changes in the LERO training program? k 19 A I don't know. I wouldn't be at all surprised if 20 ; you have or saw a document that said summarized the changes d 21 j that were proposed in the training program. But I don't ,r .. 1
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510 01 01 26 marysimons 1 0 You mentioned a special tabletop ~for the traffic 2 impediments following the exercise. Did you participate in 3 that tabletop? 4 A What I was referring to I think was essentially 5 the Evacuation Coordinator, the key people in'the EOC and 6 at the staging areas. There was input on how to deal with 7 traffic impediments given to I would say almost every 8 member, if not every member, of LERO in different ways in 9 their training as well as the other tabletops had segments 10 that stressed that and I believe the workbooks and video 11 tapes and certainly the drills that have been run since the (~)N 12 exercise heavily stressed the response to serious accidents 13 and road impediments that were like the ones that were in 14 the February 13th exercise, not in location and type, but 15 in seriousness which required rerouting of traffic. I mean 16 that was the key factor I think in terms of accidents and 17 road impediments that were in the exercise day scenario. 18 They were so serious that they required the major rerouting 19 of traffic, something that went far beyond what we had 20 . practiced before. 21 MR. MILLER: Mr. Zeugin, to your knowledge, has (e
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2 0. What about the objectives for the exercise? 3 A The objectives I did see before the 13th. They 4 were made available, it seems to me, oh, I' don't know, 5 about a week before the exercise, a week to two weeks at 6 the most. 7 0 Who made those available to you? 8 A FEMA made them available it seems to me. It's 9 my recollection anyway. 10 0 How did you obtain copies of the objectives? {} 11 A I don' t remember how I obtained them. Once FEMA 12 made them available I got a copy, and I can't remember 13 whether it was mailed to me or if it was given to me by 14 someone. 15 0 Do you know if the exercise objectives were 16 provided to all LERO participants at the exercise? 17 A No, they weren't. l 18 0 To whom were they provided? 19 A To the best of my recollection, they were 20 provided to, or I provided a copy to a limited number of 21 players in the exercise mainly fellows who were what we fx 22 ! called key coordinators, you now, the Health Services ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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1 510 01 01 30 marysimons 1 and it was a meeting, you know, a last final meeting of the 2 team that was going to participate in the exercise that I 3 called. And, among other things, I believe we discussed, 4 or I either gave them -- I may have given it to them ahead 5 of time, or I may have even just given them out that day 6 and had them read the objectives. 7 These objectives, you know, are not unique to 8 this exercise. These are generic FEMA objectives for the 9 most part as I understand them. I had seen objectives from 10 other exercises before, and it's not big secret about these ( 11 things. They are going to test your ability to implement 12 your plan. 13 We did discuss some of those objectives mainly 14 in terms of me asking if anybody had a question, because l
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12 evacuate people, we knew that we were going to use only a 13 sampling of buses and so forth and so on and so on. 14 You know, the FEMA exercises aren't developed. 15 Any exercise that's valid, that's going to test a finite 16 document can't be developed from a blank slate, and you 17 can't test something that's not in the plan, for instance. 18 0 Did you know such information through 19 discussions with Mr. Daverio and his staff or through 20 discussions with FEMA or just because of your familiarity t 21 with other FEMA exercises? 22 A It's common knowledge among emergency i ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. mm. s _ m- --
I 510 01 01 32 mnrysimons 1 preparedness professionals, that is the overall boundaries 2 of a FEMA exercise are known, the type of things I just 3 mentioned. The time frame for our exercise was not 4 untypical of a typical PEMA exercise, the number of 5 objectives and, if anything, we may have more objectives 6 than others, and the fact that you use a sampling of buses 7 and a sampling of outside organizations, et cetera, that 8 you don't move people. 9! O Well other than the areas that were common 10 knowledge to you because of your familiarity with other
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510 01 01 35 marysimons 1 exercise. I was nervous about it, my family was and 2 everybody's family because there was a law that was in 3 existence that basically said you could be thrown into jail 4 for six months or have a $10,000 or both if you so much as 5 participated in an exercise, and it wasn't clear that law 6 didn't apply to the practice ahead of time. 7 So there was obviously lots of anxiety on the 8 part of participants and on the part of outside 9 organizations, and that enormously increased the stress and 10 the workload that our people had-to work under, both the {} 11 LERO people and the LERIO people. 12 0 Is it fair to say, Mr. Weismantle, that you also 13 knew beforehand the outside numbers of ambulances and 14 ambulettes that would be used at the exercise? , 15 A Did I know? No, 1 didn't know those numbers. 16 Obviously those numbers were used in the exercise itself 17 and, frankly, I can't tell you if what happened was there 1
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0 9 O What about with respect to outside organizations 10 such as nursing and adult homes, was a determination made 1 ' 11 beforehand as to which nursing and adult homes would s 12 participate at the exercise? ' e 13 A My memory is vague on that. I can't remember. 14 O My question was not a good question, Mr. 15 weismantle, because obviously the determination was made. 4 16 My question really is were you aware of the decision as to g 17 which of those organizations would participate prior to ee 18 February the 13th? 19 A Nursing homes, since their role was more passive 20 than the others, than the bus companies and ambulance 21 companies, my mind is much vaguer about the specifics of A U 'A 22 i l that. I honestly just can' t remember. We contacted all 4 ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. s\ 202-347-3700 Nat snwide Coverage 800-3 % 6646
c________ _ _ 510 01 01 37 marysimons 1 the outside people who in any way in our wildest 2 imagination could have been called upon to do something or 3 answer questions to FEMA, and we tried to let them know 4 that the exercise was happening and what might happen. I 5 remember that. We had an intensive, particularly in this 6 volatile atmosphere, an intensive effort at communications 7 with them. 8 The actually nursing homes that the driver went 9 to and simulated a pick-up, frankly I just don't remember a 10 if those were identified to LERO ahead of time. I can't
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_ _ _ _ . _ _ . . . m . . _ . T 510101 01- 39 m:rysimons 1 A I think it'was pretty clear that they would not 4 2- participate, yes. ~ 3 12 LAndyouwereinvolved'indiscussionswiththh Col s-,n 4 Nassau {cicer = prior to February 13th, correct? 5- A. 'Yes. i . . 6
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12 'such as bus' companies and ambulance companies were selected ]: 13 to participate at the exercise? 14 A I don't know as we had specific criteria per 15 se. We had a lot of people under contract to us that we 16 had been dealing with for several years, bus companies and- [ 17 ambulance companies in particular, and we had trained their i
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.marysimons 1- at the exercise, Peconic and Medi-Bus. Now there are nine
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4 How was it decided that Peconic and Medi-Bus 5 would be the two companies that would provide the 6 ambulances? 7 A I don't remember. 8 0 Did it have anything to do with the location of 9 those companies and the availability of vehicles? 10 A Well the vehicles were available,- but it might (} 11 have. Now Peconic is an unusual ambulance company insofar 12 as how we handle the dosimetry, giving dosimetry to 13 drivers, et cetera, and that specific aspect of our plan, 14 as I recall, involves transporting a dosimetry recordkeeper 15 to their facility. So the testing of that aspect of our 16 plan or choosing Peconic would have tested that aspect of 17 our plan, which is sort of unique, certainly unique to our 18 plan and I think unique to emergency plans around the 19 country. That may have played a factor. I'm not sure. 20 0 What about Medi-Bus? 21 A Medi-Bus, frankly right now I can't tell you A kl 22 I where Medi-Bus is located even. It's just one of the other ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347 3700 Nanonwide coserage 800-336M46
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3 0 Did you any ' discussions, and my questions are' 4 limited to your role-in LERIO or your role as a player in 5 LERO, did you have any discussions with FEMA prior to 6 February the 13th? 7 A I've had many discussions over the yearsLwith 8 FEMA, but are you talking about things that relate --- 4 9 0 To the exercise. 10 A Yes, I had some discussions with FEMA. (~)
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8 So I can recall a phone conversation I had with 9 Roger Kowieski one day that probably lasted 15 minutes 10 where I described what was going on so he would be prepared 11 for it. _. /~') v 12 O other than Revision 6 and the matters relating 13 to the sounding of the sirens at the exercise, can you 14 recall any other discussions with FEMA prior to February 15 13th related to the exercise? 16 A I can't recall any, but I have not reviewed in 17 my own mind the events that specifically that related to 18 discussions with FEMA. I mean basically once the exercise 19 date was established and once very quickly the protocol was set up in terms of dealing with FEMA, because the primary
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510:01.01 44 cmarysimons 1 LERO on the day of the exercise. 2 0 id you ever have any discussions with Theodore 3 Barr' and Associates relating to the exercise? 4 A As.I recall, FEMA had a consultant, and 1 can't 5 recall his name, who worked for Theodore Barry. Is it 6 Stokes? 7 0 William Stokes. 8~ A Not Jim but-William Stocks. I don' t know. You 9 said Stokes and Jim came into my mind, but I'm probably i 10 thinking of somebody else. Yes, I'had some discussions 11 with him somewhere along the line. I don't recall having
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3 0 would Mr. Stokes and you have discussed perhaps 4 the use'of simulators at the LERO exercise? 5 A No, absolutely not. We had no idea-what FEMA 6 was going to do with simulators at the exercise. I say no 7 idea, but obviously anybody with their head screwed on 8 right would know that there was going to be certain high-9 level County officials as opposed to very low-level County 10 officials that would interact. But the parameters on the 11 simulators were never communicated directly to me and that (v~T . 12 sort of thing, and I don't remember any discussions 13 whatsoever with Stokes on simulators. 14 0 Did you have any discussions with NRC personnel 15 about the exercise prior to February 13th? 16 A I don't recall any at all. The NRC takes a back 17 seat to FEMA in terms of the offsite portion of the
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.7 objections which support LILCO's position that the exercise 8 was a full-participation one," and you are among those 9 listed.
10 Now apparently at Mrs. Robinson's deposition it 11 was indicated that she was inadvertently listed among this {~} 12 group of people, and I'm asking maybe were you 13 inadvertently listed? 14 A I have knowledge, as we have discussed here, 15 what the objectives were and I had knowledge of them before 16 the exercise took place. 17 0 But this goes to the development of the exercise 18 scenario. 19 A All right. Now let me think back. Not the 20 scenario. I have knowledge of facts relative to the
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510 01'Ol' 48 marysimons 1 FEMA was aware of that and it obviously led to them 2 excluding an objective that would have involved questioning 3 people in the.EPZ about the brochure similar to what 4 frequently they do elsewhere. 5 So does that provide the clarification? I think 6 the statement made by the lawyers was correct, but I didn't 7 have specific knowledge of the details of the scenario such I 8 as Mr. Daverio had, for instance, and I presume his name 9 was listed in there. 10 0 Everyone listed apparently are people that were 11 involved in the development of the scenario and the 12 objectives, and the exceptions I think would be you and 13 Mrs. Robinson and I was curious about why you were listed 14 as having knowledge of the development of the scenario and 15 the objectives. 16 A Well I knew the ground rules under which it was 17 developed in terms of the segregation of the knowledge of 18 the scenario and any discussions that may have gone on 19 between PEMA and those involved and myself and the team 20 preparing for the exercise. 21 O Mr. Weismantle, you have participated in full-22 scale training drills prior to February 13th that involved ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347 37(N) Nationwide Coverage 80tk33&M
1 510 01 01 49 marysimons 1 evacuation, simulated evacuation of the entire EPZ, 2 correct? 3 A Sure, over several years. 4 0 Was the February 13th exercise different from 5 the kinds of drills you have participated in regarding the 6 full-scale evacuation of the EPZ and, if so, tell me how it 7 was different? I'm not talking about technical matters 8 such as the parameters leading up to what went wrong at the 9 plant that caused the offsite response. I'm talking about 10 the offsite response by LERO. 11 A Well if you're speaking in general terms, in any 12 of the things that stimulated the response of LERO was 13 i similar in kind to things before. That is, there was an l 14 l accident at the plant that resulted in the declaration, first, of an unusual event, then of an alert and general 15 l i 16 emergency. 17 There was radiation released at some point. 18 This radiation was airborne and certain calculations were 19 ! made and judgments were made that led to protective action 20 3 recommendations that in this case ultimately involved 1 21 everybody in the 10-mile EPZ.
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10 0 Are those probably the three largest differences (} 11 that come to mind, Mr. Weismantle, the traffic impediments, 12 the ENC and the notification mobilization of personnel from 13 their homes? 14 A In terms of the scenario. In terms of the 15 atmosphere, yes, it was different. 16 Well, the other thing was simulators of State 17 and County people. Now we had done some preparation for 18 dealing with simulators, but we were handicapped, in my 19 opinion, in the month or two leading up to the exercise by 20 ' the existence of that County law that ultimately, I'm 21 probably not going to use the right terminology, but A' 22 l ultimately was overturned by the State Supreme Court as L ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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10 MR. MILLER: Back on the record. 11 Mr. Weismantle, let me show you what we will 12 mark as Weismantle Exhibit 1, which is.I believe a copy of 13 your resume. 14 (The document referred to was 15 marked Weismantle Deposition 16 Exhibit No. 1 for identification 17 and submitted for the record.) 18 BY MR. MILLER: l 19 0 Did you prepare this resume? l 20 A I think I did. Yes. 21 O Is this resume up to date and accurate, to your 22 knowledge? 4
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.17 0 Is it accurate to say you were elected to the 18 position of Vice President for Engineering or you were 19 appointed to that position?
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510 01 01 54 marysimons.1 that there are approximately 2,200 workers at LERO now; is 2 that correct? 3 A Yes, I think that is still correct 4 approximately. 5 0 Is it fair to say that approximately.1,000 6 participated at the exercise? That was.the number that Mr. 7 Daverio I believe used. 8 A I think it was more than a thousand, but I 9 didn't count them up. I would have said between 1,000 and 10 1,500. 11 O Were all traffic guides dispatched to their 12 positions on the day of the exercise? 13 A What do you mean by all traffic guides? 14 0 were all traffic guides necessary to staff all 15 traffic control points? 16 A To the best of my knowledge, all the control 17 points that were required were dispatched. I'm not trying 18 to quibble with you, but it's just that I believe there 19 were some excess traffic guides, and I assume they weren't . 20 dispatched. They were just sent home or kept at the 21 staging area. 22 j Q Were all the LERO bus routes run on the day of ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 80(k 3%N4
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2 0 And then of course FEMA evaluated only a 3 percentage of those personnel who were dispatched, correct? 4 A Oh, I think they evaluated all the personnel. 5 Some of the : personnel they evaluated in more detail in 6 -specific areas. 7 0 Well do you think they evaluated all personnel 8 because FEMA had observers at the staging areas and 9 therefore they saw them all? Is that what you're 10 suggesting? 11 A Yes. To the best of my knowledge, FEMA had
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510 01 01 57 C2rysimons 1 0 Did. FEMA make the decisions, to your knowledge, 2 as to which LERO personnel in the field were observed and 3 evaluated? 4 A Yes. FEMA, to my knowledge, chose those they 5 wished to evaluate on the day of the exercise. 6 0 Did you or your organization have anything to do 7 with the specs on which personnel were evaluated? 8 A Not to my knowledge, no. I understand they were 9 picked at random. 10 MR. MILLER: Let me show you a one-page 11 document, Mr. Weismantle, which we will mark as Weismantle , 12 Exhibit 2. 13 (The document referred to was l 14 marked Weismantle Deposition 15 Exhibit No. 2 for identification 16 and submitted for the record.) 17 BY MR. MILLER: 18 0 I'll represent this is a page from OPIP 2.1.1 of 19 the LERO plan and it appears to be a description of your 20 duties as Manager of Local Response. Is this a fair 21 description of your duties? 22 MR. ZEUGIN: For a point of clarification, is ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-)?W Nationwide Cmcrage muk3)MM6
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3 MR. MILLER: I'm looking at this duties as of 4 the day of the exercise. 5 THE WITNESS: I think in general it's a 6 description of my duties. It's an accurate description of 7 my duties. It's a broad description, but, yes. 8 BY MR. MILLER: ; 9 0 Have your duties changed in any way since the 10 exercise not reflected on what has been marked as 11 Weismantle Exhibit 27
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510 01 01 59 marysimons 1 plan from Figure 2.1.1 of the plan. Is this a fair 2 representation of the personnel who reported.to you in the 3 chain of reporting at the time of the February 13th 4 exercise? 5 A Yes, it is. 6 O Does this chart indicate that 1,275 personnel 4 7 report to you, Mr. Weismantle? Are you responsible for 8 that number of people? 9 A Yes, it does. 10 0 And then you report directly to tha Director of 11 Local Response? 12 A That's correct. 13 0 Is 1,275 the number of persons that would 14 comprise one full shift and staffing of field' workers for 15 an entire evacuation of the EPZ? 16 A Yes, I believe so. 17 0 Mr. Weismantle, let me show you a document which 18 ! was made an exhibit in Mr. Daverio's deposition, Daverio 19 Exhibit 10. I will not mark it as an exhibit here today. 20 l Was this four-page document that has been marked i 21 as Daverio Exhibit 10 prepared by you? J 22 ! A Yes. ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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510 01 01 61 marysimons 1 suggested I would. I probably -- chances are I suggested I 2 write it because I felt that certain information had to be 3 laid down on paper that was relevant to the jobs of those 4 individuals, and I wanted to just lay it' out and make sure 5 there was no misunderstanding. But I can' t remember the 6 details of over a year ago on that. 7 0 , Were you aware that as of.the time this 8 memorandum was written that FEMA expected that LERO would 9 sound its sirens and distribute its brochure prior to the 10 holding of the exercise? {} 11 A Well I'm not sure what FEMA expected. I mean 12 they knew the situation on Long Island as well as anyone.- 13 I think later on in the letter I say on the bottom of page 14 3 that it seems clear that this was an issue under 15 discussion with no decisions made. 16 Let me say this. Generally in a drill like 17 this, not always, but generally the sirens are sounded and 18 brochures had been issued ahead of time and that process l 19 takes place. That's why it was an issue because generally 20 that's done. 21 So I would suspect that at the time, everything O i 22 else being equal, PEMA might have expected that it would be '1 ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-147-3700 Nationwide Coverage 8(n3M 6646
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6 A I believe they involve contractors that once the 7 signal is sent out to the sirens had to be made up to 8 energize them and sound them. There was a generic problem 9 with that particular type of siren, not just to LILCO. By 10 generic I mean other users had them. This problem had to (} -_11 be remedied by certain hardware changes and that's what I'm 12 referring-to. And others-I believe elsewhere in the 13 country operating _ nuclear plants, among others, went. f 14 through a similar experience and similar changes. i 15 0 Has LILCO, to your knowledge, every sounded all 16 89 sirens simultaneously? 17 A Yes. 18 0 When would that have been? i
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12 people didn't get upset. 13 0 Is it still your understanding today that since 14 these sirens were not sounded at the exercise that at some 15 t'ime in the future LILCO will be required to sound the 16 sirens so that PEMA can do their interviewing and reach 17 conclusions about the sirens? 18 A Yes, that's my understanding. I believe FEMA 19 has a procedure, and I think they've always had it in one ~ 20 form or another at least for the last several years, a 21 procedure that requires a test made to be sure that the
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4 3510 01 01 65 I morysimons 1 expected are achieved and I believe that test also could or 2 would, and I'm not sure which, involve questioning about 3 the brochures and so forth, that sort of thing, public 4 response and understanding of what the sounding of the I 5 i sirens means and what to do. But at a minimum it certainly I 6 includes sounding the sirens and verifying the actual sound 7 levels. 8 0 To your knowledge, has this FEMA test been l 9 scheduled at this point? . l 10 , A No, not to my knowledge. 3 11 l 1 0 Mr. Weismantle, on page 2 of this exhibit you l 12 list a number of reasons that you say could change your 13 opinion that the sirens should have been sounded at the 14 , exercise. Could you tell me which one or ones of these J 15 reasons changed your mind? 16 ; A Let me read the reasons. h 17 d (Pause while the witness reviews the document.) 18 Well what happened of course was the Suffolk law 19 was passed and that threw into question the legality of the a 20 whole exercise right up until, as I recall, a day or two 21 before the exercise was held when finally the appropriate 4
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I 510 01 01 66 marysimons 1 So there were, particularly the sirens and the 2 broadcast of the EBS message, were things that obviously 3 were high-profile items as far as the issue of legal 4 authority and governmental authority were concerned. 5 Not in addition to that, really we had to reach 6 a decision earlier about the brochures because they had to 7 be finalized and printed and distributed. The sirens were 8 there and they were being maintained, but they did not have 9 as long a lead time in terms of preparations as the 10 brochures did. (~N 11 So a decision for the brochures in effect w j noN W , 12 not something that could be changed without, as I rec at 13 the time, I think we had an eight-week time or something, 14 an absolute minimum crash program, minimum lead time for a 15 crash program to get those brochures finalized and printed 16 and out in the hands of people, et cetera. 17 The sirens were a little bit different. There 18 were a number of considerations, not the least of which was 19 the controversy and the stimulation of disruption on the 20 part of some members of the public. For instance, after 21 these sirens were put up some people can among with chain 22 saws and at least in one case tried to saw the pole off ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 3C-347-3RO Nationwide CoseraFe 8(XL336436
510 01 01 67 morysimons I which resulted in us putting metal sheathing around the 2 first six or eight feet of the pole. 3 We were concerned about sabotage given the 4 public statements being made by members of the Legislature 5 and other representatives of the governments. The 6 preparation and the uncertainty about it until the last 7 minute as to whether the exercise would actually be run was 8 a f actor in ultimately deciding that it didn' t make any 9 sense to sound the sirens, that fact that we were going to 10 have to go through another test anyway, and presumably that 11 test would at the time be a full test of not only the 12 sirens but the EBS message and the brochures, the whole 13 prompt notification system mitigated against it. 14 0 Were you the person who decided that the sirens 15 should not be sounded and the brochure not issued? 16 A I guess I have to take responsibility for that. 17 It was a decision obviously that was not done in isolation 18 without knowledge of higher management in the company, but 19 it's fair to say I made that decision of course subject to 20 ratification, but I don't recall any detailed in-depth 21 discussions about it. It seemed pretty clear given the { 22 environment we were in and the lack of time we had with i l ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. l m: _ x _ m c- m_ j
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510 01 01 69 marysimons 1 blue binder tempest. I didn' t envision the f act suffolk 2 County was going to pass a law that basically said anybody 3 participating would be hauled off to jail for six months 4 and fined $10,000 or both. But that's what came to pass, 5 and I just can't recall the exact frame of mind -- excuse 6 me, the exact time frame that that law was passed, to be 7 honest, but I know we can to contend with it for many, many 8 weeks before the exercise. i 9 And the sabotage was a real issue. I mean 10 before the exercise we had people passing out leaflets on 11 company property urging LERO workers to sabotage the J. l 12 exercise. 13 So I think those were the two things. Now maybe 14 there's something left unsaid here, and that is given the i lack of resolution or legal authority of the whole 15 l k 16 y controversy, and remember this is before the NRC said, hey, 17 i yes, you can have a utility plant, or ruled finally that 18 ! you could have a valid utility plant and that LILCO's k 19 f realism argument made sense. The possibility of l 20 controversy and legal action was that much more at that 21 k time that this letter was written.
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= 510 01 01 71 marysimons 1 Mr. Daverio. It confirms that we set up the protocol, or-2 actually a protocol had previously been set up for the 3 scenario and this confirms and I think solidifies that 4 protocol and communicates that to Kowieski. 5 0 There is a reference in the sec6nd sentence, Mr. 6 Weismantle, to requirements for security which apply to all 7 phases of scenario production, including developments, 8 review, approval, reproduction, distribution and revisions. 9 Can you tell me.what those requirements for 10 security were? {} 11. A Not any more. I think I saw the project 12 instruction last in November 1985 and I just don't have a 13 good recollection of the specifics of it. 14 See, there always had been a separation of the 15 scenario development from people like myself, but obviously 16 once the exercise was established and since in fact it's 17 FEMA who finally approves whatever scenario is used, it 18 became more important to communicate this information. 19 0 Were you ever on the access list to review the 20 Shoreham scenario? 21 A No. 22 0 Not from February of 1984? ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347 3700 Nationwide Cmcrage 800-33MM6
510 01 01- 72 marysimons 1 A Never. Once I got involved in-emergency 2 planning I was made aware of the practice that was followed 3 by FEMA which generally can be described at the utility and 4 in all other cases as governmental agencies prepare the 5 scenario, present it to FEMA and it's kept secure at all 6 steps from the people who participate in the exercise. 7 O Do you recall why you and not Mr. Daverio wrote 8 this letter to Mr. Kowieski? 9 A Well I was responsible for LERIO and generally 10 had represented the company in previous discussione with {} 11 Mr. Kowieski on,-for instance, the RAC review of previous 12 revisions of the plan and so forth. So I up until this 13 point had been so to speak Mr. Kowieski's counterpart'of 14 LILCO, and now it changed once a drill date was established 15 and there were going to be serious discussion on this 16 scenario. I wanted Mr. Kowieski to understand that and 17 that is why I wrote this letter. 18 O Did you ever learn, Mr. Weismantle, either prior 19 or after the exercise that the scenario used at the 20 exercise at one time had been a two-day scenario? l-l 21 A I don't think so. There has been some general i
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510.01 01 73 mcrysimons 1- long time ago, and I can't remember when it was. I don't 2 remember knowing or being told or having anybody even 3 insinuate that it was a two-day scenario, although that 4 doesn't particularly surprise me. Somebody may have told 5 me at one time that it was a two-day scenario. 6 0 Let me show you next, Mr. Weismantle, a document 7 which was made an exhibit in Mr. Daverio's deposition, 8 Exhibit 13, and was also made an exhibit at Tanzman's 9 deposition that was Exhibit 4. 10 Do you know who Ed Tanzman is, by the way?- 11 A ANL, Argonne National Laboratory, I think. [' } 12 O Do you personally know Mr. Tanzman? 13 A I don't. He may have been introduced to me at , 14 some point somewhere along the line, but I don' t know him. 15 I'm not familiar with him. s 16 Q Have you ever seen this November 26th, 1985 4 17 -memorandum from Mr. Tanzman to Mr. Kowieski? 18 A To the best of my knowledge, this is the first 19 time I'm seeing it. 20 Q There are a number of commitments in this 21 memorandum which set forth commitments by LILCO and (
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510 01 01 .74 marysimons 1 those, Mr. Weismantle. 2 The first commitment by LILCO references your 3 November 25th letter which we 'just looked at and says that 4 it will be followed by another reflecting additional 5 requirements as suggested by Mr. Glass.. 6 Are you aware if there was a subsequent letter 7 requesting additional security requirements for the 8 scenario? 9 A I don't recall any, but if you show me some. thing 10 maybe it will refresh my memory if in fact a letter (~) V 11 exists. I just don' t recall. 12 0 I'm wondering if it ever was followed up. That 13 was my question. I have not seen anything. 14 A No, I don't recall any follow-up to that. I 15 guess you will have to ask Stuart. 16 0 I gather from reading this that the letter would 17 have been from LILCO to FEMA, and I was wondering if, to 18 your knowledge, that letter was ever written? 19 A No, not to my knowledge. 20 0 Now Commitment D regarding the timing of the 21 exercise, were you ever made aware of the fact that the 22 exercise was to start no earlier than 6 a.m.? ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coverage 80lk336-6M6
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- marysimons 1 A No. What I was made aware of was it could be 2 any time between 12:01 a.m. and could run as late as, I 3 believe as late as 7 p.m. , or was it 6 p.m. I'm not a 4 hundred percent sure of that latter point. It was 5 . definitely af ter 5 p.m. I would have to refresh my memory 6 as to what we were told. Clearly 12: 01 a.m. was a possible 7 start time as communicated to us by PEMA.
8 0 Commitment E refers to the fact that 9 participants would not be told more than the date of the 10 exercise. Now in your case there were some exceptions 11 because of outside organizations; is that correct? (V-} 12 A Well, and also LERO and ultimately FEMA. Again, 13 FEMA communicated to Mr. Daverio that it was either 12:01 14 a.m. to 6 p.m. or to 7 p.m. I may have thrown in an extra 15 hour on it because I didn't trust the precision of the 16 ending time. In other words, not that I didn' t trust that 17 they weren't telling me the truth, but if something came up 18 during the day given the volatile atmosphere if there was 19 interference with our people, we weren't going to just stop 20 the exercise and go home, and I'm sure there would have 21 been some adjustment made that could extend the exercise. CD m/ 22 Now that I'm thinking of it, I think I purposely ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coverage 8( 4 336-6646
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510 01 01 76 marysimons 1 added an hour onto what Mr. Daverio told us when I told the 2 LILCO people so we wouldn't have people who got home after 3 they told their families they would get home and problems 4 with baby-sitters or other logistical things that in real 5 life people have to contend with. 6 0 On page 2 of Daverio Exhibit 13, Commitment G, 7 no shift change will be demonstrated at the exercise. You 8 learned sometime prior to the exercise that there would be 9 no shift change, correct? 10 A I don't remember. We were prepared and we did I 11 believe demonstrate that we could do a shift change. I
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12 can't remember if that was one of the things they told us 13 ahead of time, that they would accept rosters, for 14 instance, which is what they do usually elsewhere. This is 15 not unusual. But as a practical matter it really didn't 16 make any difference because we had to tell everybody in 17 LERO even if they were a backup that they could be pulled 18 in because of (a) sickness on the part of the prime i
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i 510 01 01 77 marysimons 1 Q At the exercise LERO demonstrated staffing 2 requirements by rosters and not by shift changes, correct? 3 A Well for the people who.showed up, No. 1, and in 4 terms of depth, yes,- by rosters. I don't know. FEMA may 5 have called some of those people for all I know to verify 6 that the names on the rosters: that there were real people 7 behind them. 8 Q Did you know prior to the exercise that 9 Commitment H would be the case, that is there would be no 10 actual traffic direction and that traffic guides would be (} 11 quest'ioned at their locations? 12 A No. The reason I say no is certainly I think 13 everybody had to understand that we weren't going to 14 actually interfere with traffic on roadways, but it was my l 15 perception that it was very possible that LERO personnel on. I~ 16 private property, LILCO property, might be asked to set up 17 cones and direct traffic. I mean that's how we had been i i ! 18 practicing all these years, too, by the way. So if this I 19 literally means no traffic direction even on private l 20 property, no, I don' t believe I was aware of that. l l 21 O Now Commitment J, LILCO will respond and write 22 each school district and request that they participate in ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 3C-347-3700 Nanonwide Coserage 80fk336-%%6
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510 01 01 78 marysimons 1 the exercise. In your earlier testimony you indicated that 2 this was not done. 3 A You know, seeing this here, I would have to 4 check to see if we wrote each school district. Maybe we 5 did. I think the thrust of my earlier tessimony was at no 6 great surprise that only Shoreham Wading River was willing 7 to participate. I can't remember us doing it, but we may 8 have. We wrote a lot of letters. We wrote to many
'9 entities just simply to inform them to the best of our 10 knowledge how they may or may not be affected by the 11 exercise. In other words, FEMA certainly had the
{ 12 information and could have had people pick up the phone and 13 . call all the nursing homes or all the school districts, 14 they knew who they were and they were identified in our 15 plan, and asked'them questions. 16 So I guess it wouldn't surprise me if we 17 contacted the school districts and told them that you might p 18 be called and that in fact an exercise was scheduled for 19 the 13th. 20 0 You just don't recall at this time? 21 A I just don't recall. That's something I really 22 would have to get somebody to dig through the files and see i ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationmde Coserage 800-3%M*6
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510 01 01 79 marysimons 1 what we said to them. 2 O There are a few commitments under FEMA, Mr. 3 Weismantle, that I would like to ask you about. 4 Were,you aware, looking at Commitment C, that Oohse.u.rn 5 the Nassau Celesscum was going to be permitted to b 6 activated somewhat our of sync with the exercise scenario? 7 A Well, it wasn't. It was exercised in sync, but 8 I think that issue arose because of the concern that I CoLAcu.m 9 became aware of at the Ocleaseum and I think I had som ' 10 discussions with them at a boat show or something they were
'~T 11 setting up, and there was a question a whether or not the d Q o\heu.m 12 Colcomuum would be available.
13 As I recall it, what we ended up doing, frankly, 14 that is the areas we were used to working in there would be 15 available, is modifying the plan in terms strictly where 16 the monitors would set up and so forth. So we moved them 17 to another location. As it turned out, probably that 18 location was a better location to begin with. Had we known 19 it was available earlier to us at the time the original Coli6av.vY\ 20 j plans for the colosseum were developed, and I think th 21 people who developed them were unaware or were led to 22 believe this was the area that we originally practiced in ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Cmcrage 80lt33Mi646
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80 d5100101 marysimons 1 downstairsinthebowelsoftheCulosseum-wastheonethh Oc6.- %) 2 would normally be available except on rare occasions. 3 So I'm not surprised there was a discussion 4 about this. C o n-am ItseemstomeIrememberdiscussio Celerreum that raised the specter of the possible need t 5 6 do an out-of-sync, to do its activities out of sync because 7 of the logistical problems with their normal business. 8 0 Would you look at the next page, please, of the 9 exhibit, Mr. Weismantle. Commitment H, which references 10 essentially that the brochure would not be distributed (] 11 provided that LILCO gives a good reason why in a letter to 12 PEMA and provided that the remainder of the remainder of 13 the system, referring to the sirens, EBS and route 14 alerting, is demonstrated. 15 Do you know if the letter regarding reasons for 16 why the brochure would not be distributed was ever sent to 17 FEMA? 18 A I don't know. Well let me put it this way. 19 O Do you know if a letter was ever written 20 regarding that to FEMA? 21 A Well certain materials were prepared and, to the 22 best of my knowledge, they weren't sent. I don't recall . ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 801k336-6(4
b 510 01'01 81 mnrysimons 1 them being sent, no one has been able to turn them up and, 2 frankly, I don't know if we are still looking or we just 3 exhausted our search. 4 0 I don't understand. What materials are you 5 referring to? 6 A Well, particularly right near the exercise date 7 itself I think the issue at least about the sirens came up, 8 and I don't remember, but at that time everybody knew the 9 brochure wasn't issued. But right near the exercise date I 10 think there was some materials prepared which, frankly, I {} 11 don't recall being sent to FEMA explaining why the sirens 12 weren' t going to be sounded along some of the same lines I i 13 was able to recall earlier when you asked me about it. 14 0 And you are saying that those materials still 15 have not been located? 16 A What hasn' t been verified and what is in an 17 actual letter to FEMA that either related to them the 18 reasons on why the brochures weren't going to be issued i 19 l and/or why the sirens weren't going to be sounded, I have 20 no document I was able to find or that the people who 21 looked were able to find that was a document that confirmed C 4 22 from LILCO to FEMA those ground rules. ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-37m Nationwide Coverage WB33M646
5'10 Ol'01 82-marysimons 1. O Do you recall if such a letter was actually ever 2 sent to FEMA? 3 A No, I don't. I don' t recall such a letter being 4 sent and we can't find a record of that. 5 0 Mr. Weismantle, I just have maybe one question 6 on this document. This was Daverio Exhibit 14. The r 7 question is have you ever seen this document before, to r 8 your knowledge? This is a letter from Mr. Kowieski to Mr. 9 Daverio. 10 A No. {) 11 0 Let me show you, Mr. Weismantle, a one-page 12 document that is a memorandum from Mr. Daverio to yourself 13 dated December 19, 1985. It was previously identified as 14 Exhibit 16 in Mr. Daverio's deposition. 15 Do you recall seeing this memorandum before?
- 16 A Yes, I've seen this before. Chuck sent it to me 17 on December 19th.
18 0 Now this is the memorandum that I think we have 19 discussed earlier which gave you some outside parameters 20 ' for the scope of the outside organizations in'some cases, 21 the scope of the equipment that would be required for the s/ 22 exercise, is that correct? ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 317-3700 Nationwide Cos erage Mn336-6646
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510 01 01- 83 marysimons 1 A That's correct. 2- 'O It states that no more:than 13 buses, no more f \ 4 .
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8 A I would have to refresh my memory on that. I 9 just don't recall. 10 0 Do you recall making arrangements for more-11 equipment than Mr. Daverio told you in this memorandum 12 would be necessary? 13 A I don't recall. 14 0 Now this memorandum indicated to you that FEMA 15 expected two buses for a school district that would 16 participate, and I'm looking at Item 4; is that correct?
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510 01 01 85 marysimons 1 the Coast Guard was based upon what? 2 A- It was based upon my understanding of what 3 WalterWilm)(didandwhattheytoldhimthedayofthe 1 4 exercise. He called them, as the procedure requires, add 5 my understanding is they responded appropriately,. including 6 the dispatch of one vessel to the EPZ. 7 MR. MILLER: Let me show you, Mr. Weismantle, a 8 four-page document dated January 2, 1986. This we will 9 mark as Weismantle Exhibit 4. 10 (The document referred to was (} 11 marked Weismantle Deposition 12 Exhibit No. 4 for identification 13 and submitted for the record.) 14 BY MR. MILLER: 15 0 Have you seen this document before? 16 A Yes, I've seen this. 17 0 Now I gather, Mr. Weismantle, by January the 2nd 18 it had been determined that this Shift 1 LERO workers would 19 participate at the exercise; is that correct? 20 A Yes,'I believe that is correct. f 21 ' O How was the decision made that Shift 1 would 22 l participate rather than the other two shifts? ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347 3700 Nationwide Coserage 800-336-M46
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510_01 01 86 marysimons 1 A Well we have always trained all three shifts. I 2 think it was a shift that Jay Kessler, who is the Director 3 of LERO, happened to be the Director of Local Response on 4 it and it was the shift I participated in. I'think that 5 while any one of the shifts could have participated, I 6 certainly felt a responsibility to see this thing through 7 until the end, and the end meaning the exercise itself, and 8 Jay felt that responsibility. I don' t know. It was 9 probably a combination of those things, and I don't 10 remember any big methodology used to pick the shift.
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12 than Shift 2 or Shift 3? 13 A Not generally. I mean we did have some drills 14 in January that we didn't attempt to train 2 and 3. Oh, 15 yes, there was another factor in this whole thing, too, by 16 the way, and that is I don't think there was anything that
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510 01 01 87-mnrysimons 1 participate the day of the drill. That is decided by the 2 State or County ahead of time and by the utility for onsite 3 as well.
-4 I was always concerned that nobody on Shifts 2 5 and 3 believed they would not be participants for two 6 reasons. One, FEMA certainly has the ability to declare 7 some or all of the participants disabled cod thereby call 8 in other shift members at any time and, two, I guess it was 9 not inconceivable to me that given the controversy of this 10 drill and FEMA's attempts to be very careful to try to
{} 11 I avoid the appearance that they were doing something 12 unusual, they bent over backwards to do things that were 13 more rigorous in testing of LERO in this drill compared to 14 others around the country. 15 So it wouldn't have been out of the question 16 that the day before the drill they could say we are going to pick all the people and then just take a dart board and 17 l 18 pick the people at random. 19 Q Not withstanding all that, Mr. Weismantle, the 1 20 Shift 1 personnel did receive some additional training r l 21 l during January not given to Shifts 2 and 3; is that
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510=01 01 88 marysimons 1 A That's right, not given to Shif ts 2 and 3 in 2 . January. I mean Shifts 2 and 3 went through wide-scale:
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, 7 for field workers. Everybody is in the same pot. The only 8 meaning of the shift are for those jobs that have 24-hour 9 coverage such as the.EOC and certain jobs in the staging 10 areas. Even-the ENC doesn't have 24-hour coverage.- Even-11 reporters have to sleep sometime.
12 So field workers are irrelevant, which is the 13 bulk of the people in LERO. For administrative reasons we
-14 designate certain as Shift 1 just in scheduling the drills, 15 but in reality and on the day of the exercise every field 16 worker was called out and all them that could did report.
17 0 The field workers generally are staffed at 150 18 percent; is that correct? 19 A That's right, to allow for vacations, illnesses 20 and so forth. i 21 0 And on the day of the exercise all field workers 22 were called to report? l l ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 2tG347-37(x) Nationside Coserage Exk336-6M6
510 01 01 89 marysimons 1 A To the best of my knowledge, yes. 2 0 And all those field workers received this 3 additional training during January?. 4 A Those that were available. I mean there were 5 some people who were sick or on vacations and those didn't, 6 and there were some that I think by prearrangement because 7 of their LILCO jobs in a real emergency would have been 8 made available, but just because of logistical reasons they 9 were kept back by their departments in January. I think we 10 had a few requests that we agreed to in that regard, not {} 11 many, but some. 12 0 Mr. Weismantle, the document, Exhibit 4, asked 13 people on Shift 1 and the field workers to indicated if 14 they would not be available on February the 13th, and I 15 think the third page of the exhibit is a listing of those 16 who had indicated to you and Mr. Kessler that they would 1 17 not be available. Is that what that page indicates? 18 A I can't tell you. This looks like Vicki 19 Palmiotto's handwriting and it appears to be the way you 20 are describing it, but I just don' t recall and I can' t j 21 verify that it is. \ (~
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m' 510 01-01 , 90 marysimons 1 A Where is that? I'm going to take an educated 2 guess. Some of the bus drivers work for gas operations. 3 We have certain gas plants that only operate, if at all 4 during a year, on days of very high gNs demand, and I that 5 is what is referred to. These three people: evidently 6 worked in these gas plants and evidently if.those plants 7 were called upon to generate synthetical natural gas they 8 evidently didn't have any back-ups so were needed there. 9 0 Let me show you, Mr. Weismantle, what was 10 Daverio Exhibit 20. ['] 11 Do you recall writing this memorandum? 12 Yes, I do. A 13 0 What prompted you to write this memorandum? 14 A Well what prompted me was the need, as I say, to 15 get this information. We were not being given information 16 similar to others , as I understood it, got in these drills i 17 and I was getting somewhat frustrated because I was not l 18 able to get the simplest sort of common sense information f 19 that I feel was certainly provided to all other drills and I 20 ' was for some reason not being provided to us here. l i 21 0 Why did you put this request in writing rather j 22 than just talking with Mr. Daverio? l ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-3700 ' Nationwide Coverage 8@33MM6
510 01 01 91 mcrysimons 1 A I think I had talked to Mr. Daverio on many, if 2 not all of these points at one time or another and for 3 whatever reason he was not able to get the information from 4 FEMA. So I wrote him a letter. FEMA was very slow in 5 responding to reasonable requests. 6 0 Let me ask you about Point 3 on the first page 7 of Daverio Exhibit 20. You indicate there a concept of 8 perhaps sampling. Why is that you were considering a 9 sampling approach? 10 A Because we had this volatile atmosphere at the 11 time with outrageous statements being made in the press by b} 12 local governmental officials that I was very seriously 13 concerned about massive disruptions by people who did not 14 want this drill to go ahead and were encouraged by the 15 types of statements that we saw being made in the press. 16 And if there were going to be massive 17 disruptions, it seemed to me that rather than have no drill 18 at all, that it would be valuable to have a contingency 19 plan since the massive disruptlon, I was confident, would 20 not -- was reasonably confident -- would not interfere with 21 the operations on LILCO property, the EOC, staging areas, Q ! Co\de.utv)
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l 510 01 01 93' morysimons 1 and FEMA could have thought out ahead of time, okay, we'are 2 going to ask the traffic guides to go.into the LILCO 3 parking lot at Port Jefferson and simulate traffic guidance 4 and' question the random sample and in that way get'the 5 equivalent information they would have had the individual 6 been dispatched to the corner of Hollywood and Vine, you 7 know, so to speak. _ Sabu 8 So that is what I was think o. As I said, it 9 was purely a contingency plan and, as I recall, I think 10 FEMA rejected it, but that's academic. 11 O In fact, Mr. Weismantle, there were not massive
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e 510 01 01 94 marysimons 1 details I don't remember now. But you've got to remember 2 that I wrote this letter on January 21st. 3 O No, I understand. I just wanted to make it 4 clear that the disruptions that you perhaps anticipated at 5 the time did not in fact materialize, did they? 6 A No, they didn't, and I don't want to say that I 7 anticipated. I thought they were a distinct possibility 8 given the atmosphere at the time. I mean I wouldn't have 9 written this paragraph if I didn't think that. So it aOfre.c4 ed 10 effected this letter. And they wouldn't have had to be 11 massive either. They could have just interfered, for (' - 12 instance, with those FEMA people who were trying to_ ride 13 with bus drivers or traffic guides or whatever to their 14 posts. 15 0 Let me show you what was Daverio Exhibit 21 16 which I believe was Mr. Daverio's response to your letter. 17 Is that in fact what that appears to be? 18 A Yes, it appears to be that. 19 0 Were you satisfied, Mr. Weismantle, with the 20 responses given to you by Mr. Daverio to your request? 21 A Not completely, no. (_/
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2 A Well, let me see. 3 (Pause while the witness-reviews the document.)- 4 With that first response it seemed to me that a 5 reasonable bracketing of the starting and completion-times 6 Lwas warranted, and his response is basically a non-response 7 basically saying FEMA won't allow us to say anything more, f 8 or won' t provide any more information. And it's vague and 9 provides not guidance whatsoever for the concerns I 10 described earlier. . 11 The contingency plan in paragraph 3, I don't
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510 01 01 96 merysimons l' O --Do you recall whether you knew that information 2 prior to January the 21st? 3 A 'I don't recall knowing that information prior to 4 the 21st. 5 O 'And the second page of Mr. Daverio's response-6 indicates that a roster check would be acceptable by FEMA , 7 to demonstration. 8 A Yes. 9 Q Do you recall whether you knew that information 10 prior to the.21st? 11 A I was certainly aware that'in most other 12 oxercises all they did was a roster check. 13 Let me just refresh my memory on my exact 14 question. 15 (Pause.) 16 My point in that was, as I said, rosters should i 17 be good enough, but evidently FEMA, unlike what they've i 18 done elsewhere was not willing up until this point to say 19 that. i. 20 Now as I look at his answer, that says " allows 21 demonstration by either a roster check or a shift change." 22 I read that at the time now that I recall as being somewhat ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3XK) Nationwide Coscrage *1k336 6M6 _ _ - - _ - _ _ . . . , . . - . - _ . _ . ~ . . . _ _ . _ - _ . _ . . - - , . _ . . , , . . . _ , _ . , - . . _ , . _ , , . . _ . . _ , _ . _ _ - _ . . . . _ _ . . , . , . . . . . - . .
510 01 01 97 marysimons 1 ambiguous, but I think Mr. Daverio clarified it and said 2 rosters are' good enough. I think he did that verbally 3 thereafter.
-4 So up until that point for all'I know again FEMA S could have wanted us to go through a formal shift change in 6 all positions that had three shifts manning them.
7 0 would you look at Point 10 of Mr. Daverio's 8 response. -His response says "This is a good point we will 9 address with FEMA," and your Point 10 concerned a sampling 10 of tow trucks. I'm not.quite certain as to what your Q-LJ 11 proposal was regarding the two trucks. Do you recall? 12 A- See, part of this -- well,.let me just give you 13 this little-background. This was the first exercise we 14 were going through. The ground rules FEMA had in my mind 15 were vague, particularly in this case where we had this 16 controversy, we had the certain knowledge that FEMA had, 17 there was going to be litigation afterward, and when you do 18 that to a Federal agency typically they tend to communicate 19 less. That seems to be the response, as you very well 20 know. 21 The degree to which the organization being 22 tested could say we are going to demonstrate three two ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. x- xm_ m c- se - i
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6 Now we've got plenty of tow trucks around the 7 system and other trucks that can be used to clear traffic. 8 Everything else being equal, the general philosophy of an 9 exercise is to try to minimize the disruption to the public 10 and to the organization running it. 11 I mean FEMA doesn't typically want to -- if this
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510 01 01 99 merysimons 1 0 Were you ever given any further information or 2 feedback by Mr. Daverio on this point? 3 A To my knowledge, I wasn't. If I was it was 4 probably verbal, and that is just follow your. plan, you 5 :know, and our plan called for, as I recall, more than three 6 vehicles available as part of the road clearing operation. 7- MR. MILLER: Let me show you a multi-page 8 document, the first page of which is. dated January 31, 9 1986. We will mark this as Weismantle Exhibit 5. 10 (The document referred to was (' ( 11 marked Weismantle Deposition 12 Exhibit No. 5 for identification 13 and submitted for the record.) 14 BY MR. MILLER: 4 15 0 Mr. Weismantle, I more or less comprised this i 16 exhibit from some of the documents produced by your counsel 17 in this case.and I'm going to ask you about them. They 18 generally are your letters or at least letters signed by 19 you to outside organizations. I 20 ' We are going to go through it page by page, but i 21 if you want to look at the entire exhibit, that's fine. i p
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14 0 I have the same question with respect to the 15 next page on bus companies. Is this a form letter to all i 16 the bus companies? 17 A I would have to. refresh my memory. . 18 0 Page 3 of the exhibit, a February 3rd, 1986 19 letter from you to the Crest Hall Health Related Facility. 20 Now Crest Hall participated in the exercise, didn't it? i 21 A I believe so. 22 i ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 2tl2-347-37tX) Nattonwide Coserage 80tk336-6646
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14 0 So you just don' t recall at this time? 15 A I just don't recall. Clearly -- well, I. don't 16 recall. 17 0 The question I'm most concerned about is whether 18 you would have known prior to February 13th that Crest Hall 19 was going to be participating in the exercise. Is that 20 information you did not know? 21 A I would have to refresh my memory about tha t . ("T' 22 0 So you don't recall about that either? C/ ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. l 202 347 3700 Nationwide Coserage 80M36-6646
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3 O The next letter, Mr. Weismantle, is also dated 4 February 3'to the Riverhead Nursing Home which also 5 participated during the exercise-I believe, is that 6 correct? 7 A I can' t remember their role during the 8 exercise. No, I can't verify exactly how they 9 participated. 10 0 Is your answer as to whether or not you were 11 aware that Riverhead would participate prior to the O
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12 exercise the same as for Crest Hall? 13 A I would have to refresh my memory about nursing 14 homes. I don't recall the specifics. 15 O The next letter, Mr. Weismantle, is dated 16 February the 7th to Baumann and Sons. In fact, the next 17 six. letters all go to various bus companies in which you 18 set forth the arrangements for buses on the day of the 19 exercise, and feel free to count them up, but I count them 20 to be 36 total buses from all six companies. 21 I think maybe I asked you this before. Now tha t 22 we have seen Mr. Daverio's December 19 th memorandum to you, ACE-FEDEPAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coserage *n33MM6
13511 01 01- 103-lhnrysimons1 that memorandum indicated that there were no~more than 13 2 buses required, and you have contracted or made
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4 My question is can you tell me why? 5 A I would have to reconstruct that.- How can I put 6 this. Remember, we did not know the scenario. Now it's 7 one thing for them to tell us we need 13 buses, but that 8 .doesn't tell us obviously because the scenario is not known 9 by us whether the accident is expected to result in the 10 need for 13 buses from one area or another. 11 Remember, our plan is .rather detailed, and I O 12 think this goes beyond many other plans in terms of the 13 mechanism we have of deciding which buses to get for a 14 given protective action decision. It has all been worked 15 out in very great detail to try to rinimize the time it 16 takes to get the buses to go to the transfer points. 17 So there were literally thousands of dif ferent 18 combina tions that if you properly follow the plan you could 19 come up with in terms of where you get the buses and how 20 many you get from each one. 21 In addition to that, you don't know how many 22 buses are available on the day of the emergency from each
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-3511 01 01 105' harysimons 1 0 Even af ter you were told that 13 buses was the 2 outside number that_ would be necessary, you still thought 3 it was prudent to obtain 36 buses?
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10 I'm trying to give you the best of my 11 recollection here, but I would certainly, if this were 12 testimony, have to go back when this gets to tes timony and 13 refresh my memory by talking to a number of other people 14 who were involved. I signed the letters and I was involved 15 in many, many activities at the time, as I said, this was 16 carried out. As a matter of fact, it looks like on many of, 17 these they used my stamp. You notice how readable the 18 signature is. 19 I was aware of the letters. I'm not trying to 20 say that I didn' t know about them, but I didn't even have 21 time to sign many of these letters. {} 22 0 Do you recall why it was necessary to move four ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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3511 01 01 107 husrysimons1 1986 from you' to Seaman Bus Company discusses the necessity-2 for having two school buses with drivers to report to the-3 Shoreham Wading River High School. Do you recall when you 4 were first -informed that the two school buses would be 5 evaluated by FEMA? 6 A I can't recall. I would have to refresh my 7 memory on that. 8 0 Certainly by February 8th, Mr. Weismantle, you 9 knew that information,.didn't you? 10 A Oh, yes, and one reason I sent copies to Mr. 11 Daverio of most, if not all, of these letters was to be O 12 sure there was no miscommunciation I'm sure. 13 0 The next letter of February 6, 1986 is to Mr. 14 Rasbury of the American Red Cross in Nassau County. Do you 15 recall why copies of these letters between LILCO and the 16 Nassau County Government were sent to Mr. Rasbury? 17 A I'm not sure. I don't recall. I think there 18 may have been things in the paper with statements made by 19 members of the Nassau County Government that confused 20 things in terms of Nassau County's cooperation at that time 21 or the cooperation, I should say, of the Executive Branch 22 of Nassau County's Government. That is something I suspect ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-37(O Nationwide Coserage Rn346646
1 3511 01 01 108 m rysimons 1 given the atmosphere at the time, but I don' t know. 2 0 The next letter of February 8, 1986 is to Dr. 3 Doremus at the Shoreham Wading River High School. 4 A Okay. Now I'm with you. 5 Q As of February the 8th I assume you knew that 6 Shoreham Wading River was the only school district that 7 would participate in the exercise? 8 A Yes, I think that was clear. 9 0 Is it fair to say that the purpose of your 10 letter to Dr. Doremus was to remind him of the exercise and 11 provide to him essentially ref resher points regarding the (
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L 3511.01 109 kunrysimons1 a school of ficial out there, you say what's going on? 2 _LILCO.is training me to do this, and I'm reading these 3 statements like that. We had to ' provide general 4 information to everybody involved to minimize the 5 confusion. 6 In addition, we provided them with specific 7 information regarding training, the letters of agreement, 8 et cetera, to remind them of some things. So that is how I 9 would characterize the reason for this letter and not quite 10 the way you did. 11 MR. MILLER: Let me show you, Mr. Weismantle, a 12 document dated February 6th, 1986 which we will mark as 13 Weismantle Exhibit 6. 14 (The document referred to was 15 marked Weismantle Deposition 16 Exhibit No. 6 for identification 17 and submitted for the record.) 18 BY MR. MILLER: 19 0 Do you recall sending this to the LERO workers? 20 A Yes. 21 0 Is it fair to characterize this document as 22 basically reminder to LERO workers of things they should 4 1-ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. m 14:m ~ _ a, _ ,, m,_
3511 01 01 110 barysimons l remember about the exercise, or'how would you characterize 2 it? 3 A I would characterize as giving them more 4 specific.information than they had before about the 5 parameters of the exercise which were going to be in some 6 cases a lot different than they were used to in the 7 practice exercises and in other cases the same and to 8 present them with specific information FEHA provided us 9 that was different than any information we had ever 10 transmitted to them before regarding the way FEMA would 11 interact with the people who were participating in the O 12 exercise. 13 0 On the second page of Weismantle Exhibit 6, 14 "Important Points To Remember --- 15 A There also were some specific points we wanted 16 to remind them of that had to do with their response in an 17 exercise as well particular related to their call-out. 18 O Are the two dress rehearsals referred to on page 19 2 of the exhibit the two that were held during January of 20 1986? 21 A Yes, I believe so. That is what I was referring {} 22 to. 4 ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 3,w m., s.c _ m. e , ... ,,o-
3511 01 01 111 mnrysimons 1 O Were both of those dress rehearsals full-scale 2 simulated evacuations of the EPZ? 3 A What do you mean by full scale? 4 0 Well, I assume the dress rehearsals were 5 training drills; is that correct? 6 A Yes, they were drills. 7 0 Did the scenario for those drills involve - 8 activation of LERO personnel to simulate an evacuation of 9 the entire 10-mile EPZ? 10 A I don' t remember if we simulated the evacuation
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11 of the entire tO9-mile EPZ on either of those days. I 12 can't recall. 13 O Do you recall whether both of those training 14 drills in January involved the actual participation of LERO 15 field workers? 16 A Oh, yes. They involved the atticipation of 17 LERO field workers, sure. 18 l 0 And Shift 1 personnel? 19 A Yes, and Shift 1 personnel. 20 l 0 The last page of the exhibit, "Important Points I 21 i To Rememb3r," essentially are telling people here are i
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3511 01 01 112 marysimons 1 could be paged any time after midnight? 2 A That's right. 3 0 And you are reminding certain personnel as to 4 when they are to report; is that correct at the alert level 5 or the site area emergency levels? 6 A Well, no. We are not reminding them when to 7 report. They know when to report. It's just tha t they 8 don' t have to wait for a specific phone call. 9 During the day of the exercise the people who 10 reported at the alert happened to be at home, but I had no 11 way of knowing this. It was possible they might be at 12 work. If I'm in a department that has a bunch of dosimetry 13 recordkeepers in it or a bunch of this category or that 14 category that report at the alert and they are called out 15 by phone and I see one of my co-workers get a call that 16 says the alert has been declared, I'm not supposed to sit 17 at my desk and wait for the call. Common senso dictates that I go to my reporting location once I can be assured an 18 l 19 alert was declared. That's all . Tha t's what we were 20 trying to tell them. 21 See, part of the training we had done before 22 didn't make that clear and we have had mobilization drills I ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. mmne s _ am,m.,g m o w.m
3511 01-01 113 lhkarysimons'l .that we wanted everybody to wait and see if they received 2 their call to exercise their call-out sheet. Well in a 3' real emergency or in a full-scale drill you want them to 4 get to the field first because you are . exercising the whole 5 - thing and not just the call-out' sheets. There had been 6 some confusion and that's why I wrote that. As it was, it 7 was-academic because people were at home. So we had to 8 exercise the full call-out at the alert level. 9 MR. MILLER: Next, Mr. Weismantle, is a multi-10 page document which we will mark as Weismantle Exhibit 7. 11 (The document referred to was O 12 marked Weismantle Deposition 13 Exhibit No. 7 for identification 14 and submitted for the record. ) 15 BY MR. MILLER: 16 0 The first page of this document says " Position 3 17 - Manager of Local Response." Is this the log that you 18 generated on the day of the exercise, Mr. Weismantle? 19 A Yes, generated by me, but the handwriting in it 20 for the most part is by others. This appears to be tha t 21 log, although I wish somebody would have reproduced it at 22 full size. ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347 37(X) Nationwide Coserage mNK334tM6
3511 01 01 114-n:rysimons 1 0 I'm going to help you focus in on the important
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3 A Okay. Thank you. 4 0 When you say the handwriting is the handwriting 5 of others, did you have an assistant that was basically 6 taking down what you were dictating? 7 A It looks to me like af ter 7:30 I had an 8 administrative aide and then I think that person changed in 9 the middle of the drill at some point. So after 7:30 any 10 entries were put in by others. 11 0 As Manager of LERO do you have responsibility 0' 12 for notifying any outside organizations during the actual 13 emergency? 14 A Yes, I do. 15 0 Who would that be? C ob\ercom 16 A well, the-Colosseum if we are talking about t 17 exercise, and I also had responsibility for calling INPO. C_ ob sc u.m , 18 0 Did you actually telephone the Cc1ccceum and l 19 liyatt Management on the day of the exercise? 20 A Yes. 21 0 Are all the references in this log actual {} 22 telephone calls? i ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 2(12 347 37(X) Natioriwide roverage *WK33&M
3511 01 01 115 mSrysimons 1 A Oh, yes. 2 0 And did' you make actual telephone calls to INPO 3 on the day of the exercise? 4 A Yes, I did. 5 0 I briefly want to go through your log, Mr. 6 Weismantle, and just ask some clarifying questions 7 essentially is what I'm going to try to do here. 8 On the second page of your long, the third line 9 down says Evacuation Coordinator, and it looks like 10 supplement to Coast Guard. C f:t Is that *ee" Coast Guard? Q 11 A Yes, that's what it means. O V 12 0 Do you what the message means? 13 A No. I would have to talk to the Evacuation 14 Coordinator. That's from a meeting of the lead 15 coordinators I held. What was happening were these leads 16 were reporting to me what they had done so far and what the 17 status of their responsibility was. The word " supplement," 18 I'm not sure what that means. 19 0 About half way down the page there is a 20 notation, " marketing evaluation problems in contacting." 21 Can you explain that to me? {} 22 A Where are we, under what, " contacted ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. ItC 347-37(C Nationwide Coserage *n33M44
3511 01 01 116 hm:^:rysimons 1 Brookhaven"? 2 Q Right above that. 3 A " Marketing Evaluation problems. " Apparently the 4 Public Information Coordinator was not able to reach, and 5 it should have been capital "M" "E", Marketing Evaluation, 6 which is a firm that provides a service to LERO during an 7 emergency. 8 Q Did Marketing Evaluations actually participate 9 at the exercise? 10 A I would have to refresh my memory. I think they 11 were simulated, but I would have to ref resh my memory on 12 that. 13 Q Do you know if this was a real or simulated 14 contact with Marketing Evaluations? 15 A Any of the phone calls that took place were real 16 phone calls. Now it may be the person on the other end was 17 simulating marketing evaluations, for instance, but it was 18 a real phone call. To my knowledge, anything written in 19 any log that describes a phone call was a real phone call. I 20 ! It may be that in some cases on the other end they were l 21 l FEMA employees or others who were people who were i
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14 A I believe that was me announcing to the EOC -- 15 well, it's one of two things. I know that I made a number 16 of announcements to the EOC and I discussed a number of 17 times with the Lead Coordinators the status of Suffolk 18 County and State involvement in the response, who was at 19 the EOC and what they were doing, et cetera, et cetera. 20 The way she has written this, I can't be 21 absolutely sure whether -- I would suspect that I announced {} 22 to the EOC over the microphone the involvement, but it f i i
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3511 01 01 119 merysimons I could be that I spoke just to the Lead Coordinators and not 2 over the microphone. I don't think it is material either 3 way. 4 0 The involvement by Suf folk County that you are 5 referring to is the appearance at the EOC of the simulator 6 for Suf folk County? Is that what you are referring to? 7 A Yes, and I was very careful to indicate that 8 Suffolk County was not hindering the response, but was not 9 willing to take over the command and control either. I 10 know I emphasized that in my communications. 11 0 on page 5 of your log at 8:58 there is a 12 reference, and I think it says " Red Cross, two facilities 0.ak tu.m 13 ready to go sending people to Nassau Is tha kA) 14 what it appears to be? 2 15 A Yes. 16 0 The two facilities I assume are County care 17 facilities you are referring to? i 18 A Probably, yes. See, what I typically do is get 19 status updates from various people by speaking to the Lead 20 Coordinators, and this undoubtedly was one of them that was 21 provided to me. His log would contain more detail. 22 O Now right below that at 9 o' clock it says ( ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-3700 Natmnuide roscrage NG34fM4
3511 01 01 120 kuntysimons1 "Traf fic Control Point Coordinator ready to cooperate with 2 Suffolk County Police." Can you explain that reference? 3 A There was a period of time in the exercise where 4 we were getting conflicting information from Suffolk County 5 simulators. This may be a little bit simplified, but I 6 think it is correct. The Director of Local Response right 7 from the beginning was told that Suffolk County would 8 cooperate but wouldn't supply police or other manpower. 9 Conflicting information was given to the Evacuation 10 Coordinator. I learned of this and I recall taking action 11 to get a clarification, and the clarification was no, we ! i 12 are not going to supply police. But for a while, not that 13 it really made any difference in the LERO response, because t 14 it didn' t, we were or at least in the Evacuation 15 Coordinator was under this impression because he was told 16 by someone simulating the Suffolk County employee that 17 police would be supplied, and we had in our plan provisions 13 for them to interface with our traffic guides. 19 0 What action did you take to get that 20 clarification? 21 A I have to refresh my memory in more detail, but 22 as I recall, I either called or had initiated a call to \_) ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. an.~ ~ _ ua- -
3511 01 01 121 M herysimons-1 eitherJayKesslerorWalterWilm[togettheclarificat 1 2 or perhaps I- may have gotten at that point Jim Thomas to 3 get the clarification, if Jim Thomas is the right name, the 4 Suffolk County representative, the Deputy County Executive. . 5 0 The simulator? 6 A The simulator, yes. 7 O At 9:19 on this page of your log it says, it-8 looks like " County response - this is just LERO drill, no 9 County resources available." Is that the clarification 10 that was made? 11 A That appears to be it. Now whether I got an 12 earlier clarification sometime between I just can't say at 13 the moment because I haven' t researched it, but clearly 14 this Jim Thomas was asked and said no, they weren't going l'5 to supply resources,. and apparently said the same thing 16 about in the event we evacuated. I can recall a number of 17 times during the time repeating the question because it was 18 an important consideration that we know if Suffolk County 19 was in fact going to provide resources so we could 20 f acilitate their integration into the organization. That's 21 all I can say about that. 22 O Page 7 of your log, Mr. Weismantle, indicates ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-3700 Nationuide Coverage 800 33MM6
3511 01 01 122 b2rysimons 1 the general emergency was declared at 9:39, correct? 2 A Apparently, yes. 3 O And at 9:55 you called Hyatt Management to 4 inform them of that; is that right? 5 A Yes. 6 0 Now on the next page at 10:10 it looks like your 7 notes reflect that the decision by the Director of Local 8 Response to evacuate zones A through M, O and R was made at 9 10:10; is that right? 10 A Yes. 11 0 At 10:12 there is a reference, " Coast Guard k 12 clear 10-mile zones." Could you explain that? 13 A Well one of the things that the plan provides 14 for is for- the Coast Guard to take care of the water area 15 within the 10-mile zone. Now obviously the biggest focus 16 is on the populated area, because even in the summer the 17 number of people in the water area would be far smaller 18 l than the number in the 10-miles on land. 19 What basically gets communicated to the Coast 20 Guard after the Director makes a decision on the different 21 land area zones is what they are do in the wa ter area, and {} 22 I communicated to the Evacuation Coordinator the need to l ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 8M33MM6
r t F 3511.101 01 123 l lhberysimonsI clear the full.10 miles in the water, and I believe he 2 communicated that to the Coast Guard. 3 0 Is your 10:12 reference then basically that you 4 at that time would have advised the Evacuation Coordinator 5 to contact .the Coast Guard? 6 A Yes, I believe that is the case. 7 0 Can you explain the note at the bottom of the 8 page at 10:25. It looks like " Message from security. This-9 is'not a drill. Urgent." 10 A Yes. I can' t explain it entirely because my 11 memory is not entirely' clear, but 'there was some out-of-
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I z3511 01-01 124 ; marysimons 1 miscommunication or misinforma tion from the Suf folk County 2- simulators you referred to earlier? 3 A It may have been a second one. I hadn't focused 4 on this one when I was reviewing or I would have asked for 5 some information to back that up. But I think the bottom 6 line on that is there was confusion generated by the FEMA l 1 7 simulators, and when that confusion arose we got l 8 clarifications to be sure we understood what Suffolk County 9 was or was not doing, and the clarifications always turned 10_ out-to be they weren't supplying police or other people. 11 0 There was more than one instance then of this 12 miscommunication or misinformation by the simulators? 13 A I believe so. This would indicate that, but it 14 didn't really affect the response. So it's kind of 15 academic. 16 0 on page 10 of the log, Mr. Weismantle, a quarter 17 of the way down or so there is a notation, " Personnel at 18 two centers to receive evacuees from Red Cross. Looking 19 into colleges and schools as back-ups." I'm assuming that 20 that refers to County care f acilities and that's a 21 simulated message." The Red Cross did not actually go out (~ 22 looking for various schools and colleges, did they? V} ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 800-336-(M6
e 3511 01 01 125 lhmarysimons1 A .I can't tell you. I don' t know. I don't know 2 to what extent they made calls to other f acilities. I 3 don' t know. 4 0 Does your note on page 10 of your log simply 5 refle,ct the information given to you by the Support 6 Services Coordinator? 7 A Yes. This was at a meeting of Lead Coordinators 8 and this relates to the information they were providing at 9 the meeting. 10 0 Can you explain the notation under the "Public 11 Info" where it says half way down on page 10, it looks like
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3511 01 01 126 marysimons I like? 2 A You have to go to the log of the Public 3 Information Coordinator. I suspect it was a report back on 4 what sirens had failed based on their phone survey, and he 5 was reporting on the fact that he didn' t have any 6 information yet. It takes them some time to call around, 7 although it is an innovative system that we have there that 8 others don't. 9 0 On page 12 of your log, Mr. Weismantle, about 10 seven or eight lines down, it says "No report of unusual 11 traffic problems." That was report given to you by the 12 Evacuation Coordinator; is that correct? 13 A I think what it is -- it looks to me, and I 14 would have to again refresh my memory to be sure with 15 looking at other logs. There were a series of 16 announcements that I had each key coordinator -- I had each 17 key coordinator give a report to the EOC, and my secretary 18 took down the significant things they said. So I believe 19 this was -- it looks to me like this was an announcement to 20 the EOC as opposed to a report to me. 21 0 As of 11:06? 22 A Well it looks like the announcement started at ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3XO Nationwide Coserage 800-334 6646
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, 18 So that's what that means.
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3511'.01.01 129 lhmcrysimons1 A I'm not- sure if it is 39 or 49. I would have to 2 see my original log because it is obscured here. That 3 confirms that I was -- well, let me just think for a 4 second. 5 (Pause.) 6 It looks like that is when I was informed. 7 0 Informed about the traffic rerouting? 8 A Yes, but I can' t be sure of that. I can't be 9 sure of it because there is no time next to that entry and l 10 therefore there is a little ambiguity. It may be that is 11 when informed EPA No. 1 in my conversation with him. That r~s ('J 12 is either 12:39 or 12:49, and I can tell from this sheet of 13 paper I have in front of me. I would have to look at the 14 original log for that. 15 O The next page of the log, page 15 at 13:05 there 16 are a number of references to other nuclear facilities and 17 personnel and times. Are those facilities which were 18 telling you they could supply monitoring and 19 decontamination personnel? 20 A They were facilities that were telling INPC they 21 could supply it, and I was getting this information from 22 INPO.
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8 It might have been the Rad Health Coordinator or it might 9 have been me questioning them, you know, in terms of wha t 10 if and so forth. 11 I mean that is part and parcel of the whole s b~ 12 ongoing process that supports protective action 13 recommendations. You're continually assessing and 14 reassessing what is happening and deciding whether or not 15 it's appropriate to modify the protective action 16 recommendations. 17 0 The next reference at it looks like 13:20 says 18 " Called Ed Lieberman KLD. Needs estimate for evacuation 19 times for discussions. Explain accident situation and Ed 20 will give us answer." 21 A For diversions, not for discussions. 22 O I'm sorry. Could you explain what that note ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Cosetage 800-3366M6
e 3511:01 101 132. irysimons 1 . means? 2 A Yes. It / occurred to me at 'sometime between 3' whenever the decision 'was made to ; reroute and - well, I-l 4 learned of that decision -- and 13:20 that it would -- well 5- that it woul'd be a'ppropriate_to see if Ed Lieberman was 6 available since he was the - architect of .the _traf fic 7- ' rerouting. Ed Lieberman is an'outside consultant who was 8 not at that time on the' LERO team and he was not at the ' ~ 9 EOC. So I had somebody get his phone' number'and called' 10 him, because one of. the factors that you want to keep in 11 mind and keep as part of your considerations is how long is 10- 12 it going to take to evacuate. 13 Since we had proceeded on the basis of when a 14 decision was made -- on the basis that no road . impediments 15 and clear weather, and since we had to divert traffic 16 because of two major blockages, I wanted to at the time get i 17- his opinion on the extended time that it would take because t 18 of the blockages. < 19 Now I had made a judgment, and it turned out L l. 20 that he confirmed my judgment, but I felt it was prudent to 21 call him and get his confirmation if he was available. If l-22 he wasn' t available I would have tried one of his o ! ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. a.w.- mu- + ~~. .-
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2 0- On the next page in the middle of the page, Mr.- 3 Weismantle, it says 13:30 "Ed Lieberman KLD 10-mile 4 evacuation, total addit of absolute maximum time - one hour 5 for the route obstructions given by Evacuation 6 Coordinator." s 7 A I think I got Walter .WilmK on the phone to tal 8 to Ed directly and describe exactly what took place and 9- what the obstructions were and what the rerouting was. 10 Q Does this note mean that Mr. Lieberman was 11 conveying- his opinion that the obstructions and rerouting 12 would add one hour to the evacuation time estimates? 13 A That's right, absolute maximum. It was a 14 conservative judgment. 15 0 Your telephone call to Mr. Lieberman was at 16 13:20 and that response was given back to you at 13:30. Do 17 you know what Mr. Lieberman did to reach his opinion? 18 A As I recall, he was in his office. So I imagine 19 he looked at the plan or maybe a map. I don't know. I 20 didn't talk to him after that about exactly what he did. 21 Q At 13:37 it looks like your notes say " Talked to 1 22 Director on precise time evacuation would take he got from i ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. ! 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coverage 804336-(646 _ _ _ . . . _ . . _ _ - . _ _ _ ~ . ._. _ _ _ . . , _ _ . , _ . _,,._,__ _._,,_,,_.,, ,_._ _ _ _ _ _ _ , _
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4 communicated with the Director the fact we got this ! 5 verification from Lieberman which, as I recall, confirmed- ; 6 my own judgment based on my knowledge of the traffic plan, 7 and in essence what was discussed was that fact and the 8 fact it really didn' t af fect protective action decision-9 making. 10 In other words, if somebody could postulate that
'll there was a traffic obstruction at every single route going bg outside of the EPZ simultaneously so that every route was 12 13 blocked, then I think we would have conceivably changed our 14 protective action recommendation, but that's somewhat 15 extreme and that wasn't the case here. But it's important 16 information.
17 The time of evacuation as a general matter is 18 important to know. Given this accident and given the 19 consideration short of a blockage of every major road 20 leading outside the EPZ, I can't imagine a situation that 21 would have changed the protective action recommendations, , / 22 but you have to go through those steps to carefully assess
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3511 01 01 135 llhm::rysimons1 the situation anyway. It's just that this particular 2 radiological accident happened to be rather insensitive to 3 traffic impediments because of the nature of the 4 radiological accident. 5 0 I don' t quite understand that traffic 6 impediments during the exercise on February 13th --- 7 A Remember what an offsite organization's prime 8 responsibility is. It's to make those protective action 9 decision and communicate them to the public. 10 0 And you are saying the decision to evacuate the 11 entire 10-mile EP2 was not impacted by the traf fic I i 12 impediments on the day of the exercise? 13 A Let me put it another way. The traffic 14 impediments and the fact that we had to reroute traffic and 15 other factors relating to how we handled the impediments 16 didn' t come close to influencing protective action decision-17 making. 18 Once we established an evacuation and once it 19 , was clear we had to evacuate, it's very hard to conceive of l 20 anything that would somehow reverse or change that 21 decision. If it's the right decision to begin with, and it 22 was the right decision to begin with in this case, ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 NatiOT1 wide Cos erage NO-33&M
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3 0 Mr. Weismantle, the estimate at 13:26' of 4.58 to 4 5.17 hours, was that the evacuation time estimates not. 5 including the one hour estimate given to you by Mr. 6 Lieberman? 7 A I think so.- I would have to check that though. 8 I would have to check that. 9 0 Now at 13:39 in your log it indicates that zones 10 A, B, F, G, K and Q were requested to go to the Nassau 11 Colosseum, correct? O 12 A Yes. 13 0 At at 13;41 your log' indicates on page 17 that 14 by then INPO had arranged for a total of 100 additional 15 monitoring and decontamination personnel; is that correct? 4 16 A Yes, based on what Mr. Stumpe told me in a phone I 17 conversation. 4 18 0 Now a t 13 : 55 there is a reference to again zones 19 A, B, F, G, K and O. Is the population of those zones, the 20 entire population of those zones approximately 95,000 21 people? 22 A No. (~ ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 800-336-6M6
3511 01 01 137 arysimons 1 0 What was the population of those zones 2 approximately, do you recall? 3 A I can' t recall, but what that message says is 4 when you add -- what it means is when you add the 20
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11 A Yes, it would be less, and I don' t have the 12 information here to tell you how much less. 13 0 And your notes reflect that as of that time of 14 13:55 people were to avoid the intersections in Yaphank. 15 That is where the two free play traf fic impediments were 16 simulating accidents; is that correct? 17 A I think I was announcing to the EOC that an EBS 18 broadcast had been issued, and among those things in the 19 broadcast was the information above, the broadcast that was 20 made at approximately 13:45. 21 0 Now at 14 :04, Mr. Weismantle, it_seems to say I Co h tewn i
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3511' 01 01 138 acrysimons 1 '95,000 people will hopefully show up." 2 A I don' t know where the " hopefully" came f rom, 3 but the point is I called Hyatt Management then. 4 Evidentially I couldn't get the person who I had been 5 talking to. So I left a message that conveyed to him just 6 for his information because there is no action he takes 7 really, that up to 95,000 people may show up and to please 8 call me back. I wanted to make sure he got the message. And about half way,down that page "EBS 1:46 - 5 9 0 Oob s o u_m 10 indicated zones to go to Ocicsscu= and alternate routes t 'A 11 be taken in Yaphank." O 12 Does that indicate that at about 1:46 an EBS 13 message was providing information about the traffic 14 impediments, the simulated EBS message? 15 A Yes, apparently that was a report, although it 16 is not headed as such. It's just not underlined. It's 17 public information and the Coordinator gave that report at 18 this lead coordinator meeting. 19 0 I'm looking at a reference on page 19 of your 20 log. Was the Nassau County Police actually telephoned? 21 A where is that reference? f~T 22 O Above half way down.
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3511 01 01 139 lkm:1rysimons1 A I think he actually called the Nassau Police, 2 but I would have to refresh my recollection on that. 3 O And again, Mr. Weismantle, the plants and 4 personnel and times listed on page 19 of your log for 5 additional monitoring and decontamination personnel, is it 6 your understanding tha t that was real actual information 7 provided to you by .NPO? 8 A That is my impression, but I frankly have not 9 spoken to INPO since the day of the exercise or Mr. 10 S tumpe . Well, that's my impression. You would have to see 11 Mr. Stump to get more details. t' )
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O 13 Weismantle. "Wants end of lines from Evacuation 14 Coordinator South to West - key spots ( traf fic ) . " 15 A That's hard to understand. l 16 (Laughter.) 17 Let me just try to put it into context. 18 (Pause.) 19 I may have been asking if we had information on 20 queues extending back in the EPZ. As you know, we have a 21 helicopter in our plan, although on the day of the exercise 22 I don't believe we actually exercised the helicopter that (' ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. m m m. ~ _ . r- - ,
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5 That's a guess on what tha t means, but it could have been 6 lines of traffic. That is the only thing that seems to 7 make sense at that point. 8 O At 14 :45 there is a notation, " Reviewed with 9 Deputy County Executive procedures for modifications to 10 reception center to handle greater than 35,000 people. 11 Confirmed that reception center has been instructed to ['t 12 utilize procedures to handle greater than 35,000 people." 13 What procedures were being utilized to handle 14 that number of people? 15 A Well, get more manpower to the reception centers 16 via INPO -- to the re eption center, to the Nassau C ob s um 17 sete==uum. 18 0 You were talking about just increasing the 19 ; manpower? Is that what that refers to? 20 l A Yes, I believe that is what it refers to. 21 O It was not referring to streamlining of the 22 monitoring procedures themselves? /^} f ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-37(K) N31ionwide CO%CT3pe 801L336M46
w 3511 01 011 141 b2rysimons 1 A I don't think so, but obviously that was one of 2 the options that could have been-implemented, one of the 3 things the Rad Health Coordi'nator could have done, but I 4 don't recall that. It's possible that we may have 5 discussed that possibility. Remember, we had just make the 6 announcement, you know, and 95,000 people don't show up in-7 five minutes af ter you make the announcement. So there is 8 plenty of time to react and adjust to the actual 9 situation. 10 First of all, we don' t know if 95,000 people 11 would have gone there. We think, as a matter of fact, that 12 we grossly overestimated the number who would voluntarily 13 go there without direction. We hoped that everybody we 14 asked to go there would go, that is the zones that were 15 reques ted to go there. You just don't know, and you 16 wouldn't know until the actual emergency. 17 In any event, there is plenty of time to react 18 to that with other means of monitoring if it turned out 19 that some of those people clearly were not, once you 20 started monitoring, were not contaminated. You don't want 21 to waste your time monitoring people who you know aren't 6 22 contaminated because they happen to come through a certain
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3511 01 01 142 knaryrimuns1 zone that you con,servatively added to the group that were 2 ca - going to the Oclesseum. w s 3 0 On the day of the exercise LERO advised upwards Cob deu.rvs -M 4 of 95,000 people to go to the eettsseum for monitoring an 5 if necessary decontamination. 6 A We simulated that, yes. 7 0 So these weren' t just voluntary numbers. - This 8 is what LERO was advising during the course of the. 9 exercise. 10 A No, I'm sorry. Let me take that back. We 11 didn' t advise 95,000 people to go. Everybody had the O 12 option to go. Our plan assumes 20 percent go. In the 13 event that we ask people to go, we assume that they will go 14 and we do everything we can to prepare for that number. So 4 15 we didn' t advise 95,000 people. We advised the people in 16 the zones that we broadcast to go and, in addition to that, 17 we were prepared to handle 20 percent of the people f rom 18 the other zones. The only ones we advised were a number 19 less than 95,000 that I just don't have here. 20 0 At 14:55, Mr. Weismantle, it says "Ed Lieberman - 21 KLD informed him of EBS message to tell people left in 22 homes to leave. Ed stated no more than 10 percent in their ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 80tk336-6646
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3 A Yes. One of the things'you do is try and monitor how many people have' actually evacuated and it's 4 5: very-difficult to do because say for observers at every 6 home'in the EPZ you just can't be sure how many people.are 7- left. We of course' have a means in our plan to come up 8 with a much better estimate than that. through Marketing 9 . Evaluations, but one of the people who has studied 10 responses to evacuation orders is Ed Lieberman. I was 11 informing him of the current situation in' terms of
.O 12 recommendations to evacuate and I either asked him, and I 13 probably did, what his estimate of the amount of people 14 left in the zone would be given his knowledge of when the 15 original evacuation order was declared and~how long it had 16 been since then.
17 0 And on page 23 of your log there is a notation 18 at the very top " John Weismantle reported that KLD 19 mentioned some people still left in home. Very few. They 20 are to be urged to leave. 21 A I think they were urged to leave, but I would {} 22 have to look at the content of the EBS message. ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 800-336-6646
~3511 01 01 144 untysimons 1 0 Does that note I just read just reference a 2 briefing, that you were providing to others?
3 _A To the lead coordinators, yes, that briefing 4 that started at 15:46 and finished at 16:07. Well, the 5 briefing meetings consist mostly of others reporting to me 6 and everybody else in the room, and I also give them a 7 report as well usually. So it is a briefing for all the 8 lead coordinators together. 9 MR. ZEUGIN: May we go off the record for a 10 minute. 11 MR. MILLER: Let's go off the record. 12 (Discussion off the record.) 13 MR. MILLER: Back on the record.
'14 Mr. Weismantle, do you have the contentions that 15 have been filed in this case?
16 THE WITNESS: Not here. 17 MR. MILLER: Maybe Mr. Zeugin will have a copy. 18 (A copy of the contentions was placed before the t 19 witness.) 20 BY MR. MILLER: i' 21 O I want to ask you, Mr. Weismantle, about the
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7 A I can't because I haven't discussed it with the 8 lawyers. 9 0 Well, have you reviewed Contention 157 10 A Yes. I've read it. ^
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12 allegations set forth in that contention? 13 A Yes. I don' t agree with the basic fundamental 14 premise of this contention which is stated, you know, that 15 the limited scope of the exercise precludes reasonable 16 assurance findings. As far as further details or the i l 17 details of my testimony, I'm looking at this thing and I 18 see there is about ---
- 19 0 Do you want to come off Contention 15?
20 (Laughter.) 21 A No, I want to be on that contention. I'm not 22 even clear where this thing ends.
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16 A And you would like to know what I'm testifying i 17 to? ! 18 0 What I would like to know is whether you are I 19 prepared to tell me anything about your opinions regarding 20 the allegations set forth in the contentions today? I 21 A Oh, sure. 22 0 okay. Well, for Contention 15, other than the I l ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 3C347-3PX1 Natimwide Cmerage Wn3364M6
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511 01 01 147 marysimons 1 fact that you say you disagree with our allegation that 2 scope is too limited for Contention 15, is there anything 3 else you can tell me at this time? 4 A I'm sure there are lot of things. Ask me a 5 question. 6 0 Well, we can do it that way. I thought you just 7 told me that at this time you really had not discussed --- 8 A I haven't discussed it with the lawyers and I 9 haven't given a lot of thought to my testimony. I have 10 read it, and as I read things, some things I have an {} 11 opinion about and some things I don't and need further 12 information. 13 I mean this contention is enormous in terms of 14 the verbiage used to support it. I haven't systematically 15 framed in my own mind what my testimony is going to be. 16 That is really all I was trying to say. 17 0 Have you in your own mind framed what your i 18 testimony will be for any of the contentions you will 19 testify about? 20 A I have a better idea on some of the other 21 contentions, but I have not sat down and worked on 22 testimony. I have not been presented with ideas for i ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-3700 Nationwide Coserage WXF3346M6
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2 testimony. g 3 3 0 Can you tell me which contentions'it is that you b 4 today have a better idea about the framework of what your 5 testimony will be? 6' (Witness confers with counsel.) l 7 A- .If you can give us just a minute. I have 8 focused on issues.
- 9. MR. MILLER: Fine.
10 (Pause.) 1"% 11 THE WITNESS: Would you like me to go through V 12 this? 13 MR. MILLER: .Yes. 14 THE WITNESS: All right. I'll go through the 15 contoitions that you identified, plus one other.
$16 Maybe before I go through it I ought to define l 17 maybe in general what I expect my role to be, and I'll use 18 an analogy because you have gone through the hearings that
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511 01 01 150 r-marysimons 1 testifying on and Mr. Daverio is testifying, would he also 2 be on some of these contentions in a corporate capacity? 3 A In not exactly the same way, no. We haven't 4 discussed this internally, but he can't represent the 5 corporation per se in the same manner I can being an 6 of ficer elected by the Board of- Directors. But if need be, 7 obviously the corporation would be represented even if it
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511 01 01 151 marysimons 1 knowledge about the timeliness of route alert drivers 2 because that was done at a remote facility in the field. 3 So therefore the degree to which my involvement on the day 4 of the exercise is relevant is higher in protective action 5 than it would be on the timeliness of route alert d ivers Coulen 6 issue or the Nassau COlocccum issue, for instance. 7 Oh, incidentally, I will not be on panel 38, the 8 ENC panel. That was a recent change. Mr. Daverio will be 9' on that panel, and I'm not sure when he testified if he was 10 on it or off of it, but there is no need for me to be on
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'9 Elaine Robinson might have been present. I'mean neither 10 Chuck nor I were at the ENC on the day of the exercise, or 11 at least I wasn' t at the ENC on the day of the exercise..
12 He may have been part of the day. So it's not a major 13 decision. 14 0 Mr. Weismantle, what I am trying to determine, 15 or in part what I am trying to determine is to see how long 16 the process of this deposition is going to take. I'm i 17 trying to figure out if you are going to have more to add 1 18 as a witness on LILCO's panels on these contentions, if l l 19 there is going to be anything beyond the fact that you will l l 20 be there as a corporate representative to talk about l 21 company policy and, if so, if you could identify which of 22 those contentions substantively you will be addressing the ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202 347-3700 Nationw kle Coserage 8(Xb33MM6 i, .. . . .
511 01 01 153 marysimcas 1 issues because those are the issues I would want-to explore 2 with you today. 3 A. Well our testimony, I have not seen a single 4 . piece of the draf t testimony nor have I entered into 5 discussions with a lawyer about my precise role in any one 6 of these. So I can't tell you. I mean.at least I have 7 read the contentions. 8 Mr. Zeugin suggested something. Can we go down 9 one by one and I will tell you particularly where I, 10 because of my involvement on the day of the exercise, have 11 directly knowledge of facts that I personally can attest to 12 as opposed to facts that I can possibly testify to but not 13 from I personally observed it and did it that day. 14 0 Okay. Well let's try that. Coh seum 15 A Okay. Now Nassau tclassea ii --- 16 0 Could you give the contention numbers, please. 17 A Okay. Contention 22(a) relates to the Nassau cog s um 18 Go-losse um . I think that iskindofacademicatthispoih.x 19 Contention 36 regards protective action i 20 ' recommendations and wind shift. I was part of the group 21 that discussed protective action recommendations and b) % 22 provided input to the Director for his decision-making. So ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-37(11 Nationwide Coverage MXk336-646 _ _ . . _, _ _ _ . ..._,--__.m., , , , _ _ - _ _ _ _ , . _ - . _ . , . . _ _ . _ , _ , . ,
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.marysimons~l I will' definitely;have some factual things'to attest to on 2l that J issue because every-time protective action decisions 3 were.made I was part of.the_ process directly and.it l is part 7 4 .of my job'in LERO.
5 Traffic guide mobilization is Contention No. 6 40. Now this involves issues of speed.and mechanisms to c 7 dispatch traffic guides and how'long it~took them to get to 8 their posts and so-forth. That was done at other 9 facilities and out in the field. I.am familiar with it 10- because I participated in discussions and decisions that , 11 led'to certain changes in the' plan and procedures that I , 12 imagine we will present in testimony and I'll certainly be 13 able to discuss those facts and my involvement in them, but 14 I wasn't involved on tne day.of the. exercise with the Port 15 Jefferson staging area in dispatching traffic guides nor 16 was I out in the field at that time. So I can't directly 17 relate to the facts that actually occurred on the day of 18 the exercise because I didn't participate directly in them. 19 Impediments, Contention 41, I was involved to a 20 certain extent in the issues that you raise directly, 21 although the Evacuation Coordinator made the specific (~T sse 22 recommendations for rerouting. ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347-3?fo Nationside Coverage 80fk3364686
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.marysimons 1 As we discussed earlier, I got involved in' 2 getting Ed Lieberman to review those. The Evacuation 3 Coordinator reports to me and I was involved with him on 4 that issue and with the Director and the Coordinator of 5 Public Information.
6 In addition, I was involved in the development 7 of the modifications to the plan and procedures and 8 training that address the issues that were raised by our 9- handling of the impediments. So I will.certainly be able 10 to talk on those issues directly. dot = a rvs 11 Item 49 is monitoring at the Celecccum. Quit 12 frankly, that is the vaguest in my mind as to what the real 13 issue is. I guess it is the amount of time, if I'm not 14 mistaken, it took. - bc,6eum 15 Well, I was not at the Eclcsscum. I was 16 involved in discussions in terms of what actually happened 17 and why it happened and why it really wasn't a significant 18 flaw in our plan or in the exercise. But those people are 19 remote from the EOC and I wasn' t directly involved in it. 20 So I don't think I will be responsible for attesting to 21 CA % precisely what happened at the Nassau Eelesseum that day
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511 01:01 156 merysimons 1 No. 50 is training. The way I read that, that 2 encompasses almost everything that happened on the day of 3 the exercise. So I-sort'of have the same response as to 4 the scope of the exercise because it is so all-5 encompassing. There are some things in it that I'was 6 personally involved in. -I definitely was involved in the 7 discussions that led to revisions in the training program 8 that, you'know,.I think have all been described and laid 9 out in our revisions to the plan and procedures and other 10 materials that you have. So I certainly_can talk about (~Y 11 that. Li 12 That doesn't mean I'm the only one that can talk 13 about that on that panel. Mr. Daverio certainly continues 14 to have, and particularly after the exercise assumed more 15 responsibility than he had previously for the training 16 program as I bowed out as being responsible for LERIO.
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18 0 What about Contention 34? 19 A Oh, timeliness of route alert drivers. Again, 20 that is similar to the traffic guide mobilization. I'm f 21 familiar with the plan and I know why the plan is the way
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511.01 01 157 marysimons 1. on personal involvement in the field. 2 I think what we did was consistent with the plan 3 ~ and was adequate. I think that issue was very clear cut, 4 particularly in light of all the airing it had during the 5 plan litigation. I don't understand why it's still on the 6 list of contentions. 7 0 Now you were going to give me the in a nutshell. 8 A In a nutshell what I just described is as I see bac b 9 my involvement to the extent it goes being avakcnC d lable as 'v 10 policy witness and fulfilling that role on these panels.
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9 THE WITNESS: You mean right af ter this break? 10- MR. MILLER: Right, 36, 41, 15 and 50. ( A - 11 THE WITNESS: Fine. 12 (Short recess taken.) 13 MR. MILLER: Let's go back on the record. 3 14 BY MR. MILLER: 15 0 Mr. Weismantle, I'm going to try to do this as l 16 quickly as we can do it. Let's look at Contention 15 T 17 first. l-18 A Okay. 19 0 That contention I think in general summarizes in 20 the beginning, in the preamble part, and essentially 21 alleges that the. scope of the exercise was so limited that j -
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511 01.01 159 m rysimons 1 on the implementation capability of LERO. 2 Do you have an opinion as of today as to the 3 allegations set forth in that contention? 4 'A Yes. 5 0 What would be that opinion? 6 A My opinion is I disagree with that statement. I 7 believe it exercised the LERO plan or the LILCO plan rather 8 comprehensively when you look at it both in terms of how 9 this exercise compares with other exercises and how 10 comprehensive you would exercise an emergency plan to {} 11 provide reasonable assurance that it could be implemented 12 in the event it was needed. 13 The areas it didn' t exercise include the sirens, 14 and that I think clearly will be exercised before we get a 15 license, the sirens and the prompt notification system as a 16 generality, and those obviously will be exercised before we 17 get a license. 18 0 Now with respect to how the LERO plan that was 19 exercised compares with other exercises, what other 20 exercises are you making this comparison with? 21 A Generally my knowledge of FEMA exercises 22 elsewhere. You know, I have attended a few and others I've ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 202-347 3700 NJtionwide CO\frage MXh3 hf616
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4 0 Are you about to identify for me those other 5 exercises that you have read _ reports on? 6 A Not a comprehensive list. Over the period of 7 years when I was in charge of LERIO I read many reports, 8 exercise reports that FEMA wrote about other exercises. 9~ 0 Can you identify any of those to me today? 10 A Oh, sure. The ones in New York State, I have 11 read probably -- well, the ones at Indian Point that were 12 held in the last few years. I don' t think I have read any 13 reports since March of this year or February of this year. 14 I may have, I don't recall. But in the year and a half, or ! 15 I would say two and a half year period before that I looked i i 16 at a number of New York State reports, reports of exercises 17 in New York State, and I looked at others, I believe the l 18 Zimmer exercise -- excuse me, not the Zimmer exercise. I'm i 19 mistaken. There were others that came to my attention that 20 I looked at, as well as general information that I had j 21 gotten over the years in discussions with emergency
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511 01 01 161 marysimons 1 0 Other than the Indian Point exercises over the 2 last few years, can you specifically identify any other 3 exercises within or outside of New York State? { 4 A Well it seems to me that I looked at the report 5 of -- there were one or two Ginna exercises. We have 6 Indian Point, and that leaves Niagara Mohawk and the 7 Fitzpatrick Nine Mile 2 site. I can't remember if I've i 8 looked at reports of those exercises. I know I've looked 9 at other reports, and this goes back two or more years ago, 10 and my memory isn't good enough to tell you what sites they
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12 0 Are you aware of any written document comparing 13 the Shoreham exercise with exercises at other plants whether prepared by LERO or anyone else? 14 l i 15 l A I think we did some of that after the exercise. 16 I have a vague recollection that some comparisons were 17 ; made, not published and bound in a report, but maybe some 18 ; documents may have been generated. l 19 j 0 Are you able to identify those documents any 20 l more specifically than what you have said? 21 ! A No. 22 ; MR. MILLER: Mr. Zeugin, I would request
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511 01 01 163 m rysimons 1 a full-participation exercise. As I said before, I 2 acknowledge the fact that we should test the sirens before 3 we get a full power license. So I don't know if it's 4 quibbling over words here. 5 0 The brochure was not issued prior to exercise. 6 A That's right. 7 0 So provisions for the education and information 8 provided to the public have not been exercised at this 9 time, correct? 10 A We haven't issued the brochure, that's right. 11 0 And there was no evaluation by FEMA as to 12 recovery and re-entry provisions on ingestion pathway 13 provisions; isn't that correct? 14 A We did exercise recovery and re-entry in the 15 exercise. Obviously not fully, but procedurally the 16 process got started. I haven't looked at the FEMA report . avn.i m 0 17 recently and I can't say whether or not they did evacuate a 18 it, but we certainly exercised the initiation of 19 recovery /re-entry and the procedures that bear upon us. 20 Ingestion pathway, we certainly started consider 21 that. I just can't recall now as to when the exercise > 22 ended if we had -- I don' t think we had reached a point ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. m -,, ~ _ < _ , m,o m
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511 01 01 165 marysimons 1 from LERO and hopefully we would have governmental 2 representatives as well if they agreed to participate that 3 would define the steps to be taken to. implement recovery /re-4 entry, and there were a myriad of things that you would 5 actually consider and over a period of days deliberate and 6 make decisions on and communicate to the public. 7 My understanding is typically at a FEMA exercise 8 that is not exercised to a real great degree compared to 9 the others because most FEMA exercise are one day. But to 10 that extent I believe -- I believe we started down the path 11 to recover /re-entry, and whether FEMA evaluated that or 12 not, I can't remember. 13 0 Mr. Weismantle, let me try giving you a 14 hypothetical and maybe we can go on to the next contention. 15 Assume with me for purposes of this question 16 that the following aspects of LERO's plan were not 17 exercised, recovery and re-entry, ingestion pathway, the , i 18 effectiveness of public education materials such as the 19 brochure, the sounding of the sirens was not carried out, 20 there were do EBS messages activated, and that is probably 21 enough for purposes of my question. If those factors were 22 l not implemented and exercised on February 13th, would you ! ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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511 01 01 166 merysimons 1 nonetheless claim the exercise to'have been a full-2 participation exercise? 3 A Now you're getting into hypotheticals that I 4 don't agree with entirely your premises, and I would rather 5 not respond to that. 6 0 Well, you don' t need to agree with my premises. 7 You have to make the as. : ions I'm asking you to make. 8 Those assumptions are no i.gestion pathway, no recovery /re-9 entry measures, no brochure issued, no sounding of the 10 sirens, no use of WALK Radio and no EBS messages activated. 11 If those things wouldn't have happened, make the 12 assumption, would you still have claimed the exercise to 13 have been a full-participation exercise? 14 A No, I don't want to make the assumption. Well, 15 first of all, I haven't prepared and discussed with the f 16 lawyers all the legal ramifications of the term " full-17 participation exercise" because obviously there will be 18 legal arguments about what exactly that means. And I think 19 I have gone about as far as I can in relating to you the 20 information I have digested and am prepared to talk about 21 regarding that particular contention. 22 0 Are you telling me you are not capable at this ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, lNC. 202-147 37(X) N.itionwide Coverage 811k34(646 L_
y_ -- f 511 01 01 - 167 marysimons 1 time of answering my question? 2 A I gave you my answer. 3 'O Well if you are refusing to answer my question I 4 would like to know that as compared to you're not capable 5 of answering my question. I have a right to know the 6 difference and which you are claiming at this point. 7 A Well, let me put it this way. No. 1, I didn't 8 think I was obliged to answer . hypothetical questions as 9 opposed to questions about the facts of what happened at 10 the exercise. So I'm not prepared to answer that question 11 on those grounds. i' 12 The second thing is you are getting into more 13 detail that I'm comfortable with dealing with given the 14 limited preparations I've made in terms of my participation 15 on this panel, that is the panel that will defend LILCO's 16 position on Contention 15. 17 0 okay, Mr. Weismantle, I think I understand your 18 position. 19 Let's talk about Contention 50, what we 20 characterize as the training contention on page 87 of the 21 contentions. 22 3 Essentially could you tell me your opinion as of l ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. mm, __m_,. m-L
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511 01 01 169 marysimons 1 the conclusion that you reached. 2 I mean this exercise involved over a thousand 3 people and generated many, many feet of paper and 4 documents, and to isolate little instances of what you 5 consider to be problems, some of which are and some of 6 which might not be presents a grossly distorted picture of 7 what actually happened. 8 0 Mr. Weismantle, would you agree with me that the 9 exercise revealed some shortcomings in LERO's training
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l 511 01 01 170 m rysimons 1 A I would have to refresh my memory on precisely 2 what areas. I think for the most part we have modified our 3 training program as we have laid out in Rev. 7 and 8 in a 4 manner to be responsive to FEMA's criticisms. Nobody has 5 an exercise that runs perfectly. It's obvious to me anyway 6 that it would be humanly impossible to run an exercise as 7 complicated as this where everything goes perfectly and 8 right by the book. We are not robots. We are human beings 9 and so is any organization. 10 This exercise I think demonstrated the soundness 11 of our training program overall and it also identified 12 certain limited areas that there could be improvements and those were responded to to the best of our ability in our 13 ) I 14 i plan revisions and the resultant training material 15 revisions and so forth. i 16 F 0 Mr. Weismantle, one of the areas of criticism by 17 l FEMA on training was with respect to dosimetry training. i 18 Do you recall those comments by FEMA generally? l 19 A Yes, I remember them generally. 20 , O And I think since the exercise in Revisions 7 21 l and 8 or one or the other LILCO and LERO has committed to /'~T l
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3511 01'01~ 172 kmarysimons 1 observations made by FEMA and ourselves. 2 0 Are you able to describe taa me the post-exercise 3 training modifications that have been'made in the areas ' 4 responsive to FEMA's criticism? 5 .AL Not comprehensively right at this table, no. I 6 think you've got most of the materials that were provided, 7 if not all of the materials that were provided to back that 8 up. 9 0 Do you know if Mr. Behr is in a position that he 9 10 could provide that information? 11 A Do you mean if he was here~this moment whether { 12 he would be able to do it from memory? I don't know. 13 0 If Mr. Behr involved in the post-exercise j i 1 14 training aspects of LERO? t. 15 A Right now I'm not sure if he is or not. I know 16 he has been doing other things than emergency { 17 preparedness. So I can' t tell you what, if any, of his l l 18 time is spent on emergency preparedness training. 19 0 Let me ask you, Mr. Weismantle, about contention t L 20 36. That is on page 43 of the contentions. I think the l 21 thrust of this contention could be summarized by saying ( 22 that it claims that LERO personnel made protection action i. I ! ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. L
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511 01 01 175 marysimons 1 knowledge, did LERO consider performing any calculations 2 with respect to alternative protective action measures 3 during the exercise? 4 A Well, Rick Watts as the Rad Heelth Coordinator 5 is the individual who has primary responsibility to 6 calculate those projections. I know that he calculates 7 those and I know that even if he doesn't have explicit 8 calculations he asks himself the what if questions that 9 people who are in that position and who are in my position 10 ask themselves throughout an exercise or a practice drill 11 or in a real emergency for that matter. But you would have
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511 01 01 178 marysimons 1 from the roadways, but there are further and additional 2 specific allegations, as you know, from the contention. 3 Do you have an opinion today as to the 4 allegations and merits of Contention 417 5 A Well, clearly we could have handled the 6 impediment better. I guess the debate is on how serious -- 7 on how much better it could have been handled and on what 8 difference it made to our performance in the exercise or 9 what difference it would have made in a real emergency. 10 That is where I suspect we differ since you have considered (~} 11 this a fundamental flaw and I don't. I mean in a nutshell U 12 that's it. 13 There were obviously ways in which it could be 14 improved. The principal way and the most fundamental thing 15 about it was the commur4ication between the individual who 16 originally got the message, who I believe was the 17 Evacuation -- I better not misstate his title because there 18 are a lot of similar titles in that group. In any event, 19 the individual who got the original message from FEMA and 20 his lack of communication to the Evacuation Coordinator. 21 That was the principal problem. r ( 22 0 In your opinion, Mr. Weismantle, should the ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. 30-347-3M) Nuionwide Coverage RG336-6646
511 01 01 179 merysimons'l Evacuation Route Coordinator, who I will represent to you 2_ is the person who originally got this message --- 3 A Okay. Thank you. 4 0 --- should that individual have immediately 5 apprised the Evacuation Coordinator, Mr. WilmpC of those *^ s 1 6 free play messages and the content of those messages? J 7 A Sure, and I wish he had done that. Yes, he 8 should.have advised him. Not to bAve advised him was 9 wrong. It was a deficiency in communications. But once -- 10 well, I'll just leave it at that. {} 11 0 Mr. Weismantle, are you suggesting that the 12 impediments that were simulated on the day of the exercise 13 just could not have made a difference in an actual 14 emergency? 15 A Well what I'm suggesting is obviously any 16 impediment makes some difference. The difference these 17 impediments made was not sufficient to require serious 18 consideration of changing your protective action 19 recommendations and it was not sufficient to have a very 20 deleterious effect on doses that people would have 21 experience. It had some effect, yes. Obviously it had l ws) 22 some effect.
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511 01 01 la0 ccrysimons 1 Does that answer your question? 2 . O The individual who was the Evacuation Route 3 Coordinator on the day of the exercise, to you knowledge, 4 is he still a member of.LERO? 5 A Yes, to my knowledge, he is. 6 O Do you know if he has been given any training 7 separate and apart from training of other LERO members } 8 since this exercise? 9 A Well, to my knowledge, he would have been given 10 the training that that particular job Litle gets, that
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511 01 01 181 carysimons 1 A Oh, I think he was asked, but I can't tell you 2 exactly who asked him and when. 3 O Do you have an understanding as to what 4 explanation, if any, he gave as-to his performance on the 5 day of the exercise? 6 A I don't know what explanation he gave. I mean 7 there really is no good explanation. It was an error on 8 his part not to have informed the Evacuation Coordinator, 9 his boss in the LERO organization. He took action, and it 10 was appropriate and understandable, but not enough action. rT 11 He should have communicated with the ~ Evacuation U 12 Coordinator. Clearly that was something he should have 13 done. 14 0 Mr. Weismantle, and I think I just have a couple 15 more questions, with respect to training since the 16 exercise, training of offsite, outside organizations, I 17 believe it was Mr. Daverio who told me that to his 18 knowledge there has been no training'provided to school bus 19 drivers since the exercise. Does that comport with your 20 understanding? 21 A That is my understanding, but he would have 22 better knowledge of that than I. ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. M-347-3700 Nationwide Coverage 804 3 % 6646
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511 01 01 183 marysimons 1 Because of the nature of the business there is a 2 turnover on Long Island and elsewhere of ambulance 3 drivers. So unless you offered training every single day 4 you are not going to have everybody who is currently 5 employed by that company as an ambulance driver fully up to 6 speed, and we recognize that and the ambulance companies 7 did.. 8 Evidently one or more ambulance drivers were 9 dispatched who had not had that training contrary to 10 procedures, but I don't look at that as a breakdown in
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511 01 01 184 { V marysimons 1 Section Head at one time reporting to Mr. Daverio, but they-l 2 have both been promoted since then. l nou3 3 0 So Mr. Crocker is +xH: the head of LERIO? 4 A Well there is no LERIO per se. LERIO was set up 5 to implement the LERO plan and it-did and it drew people 6 from internal LILCO organizations and outside consultants. 7 Now since the exercise it has been subsumed into the 8 Emergency Preparedness or Emergency Planning Division, I'm 9 not sure which, and as an offsite section they still employ 10 consultants as well as LILCO employees to continue to 11 support LERO. (~}
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511'01 01 185 marysimons 1 A Evidently not. There is no notation in my book 2 to that effect. 3 0 Could you look at Daverio Exhibit 11 which Mr. 4 Miller showed to you earlier today. 5 A Yes. 6 0 Is that our signature at the end of the letter? 7 A Yes, that is my signature. 8 0 I mean is it actually you had signed it or had 9 someone else signed your name? 10 A No, no. I signed that one. 11 0 Did you write the words to the letter that is a l 12 above your signatur.e? l 13 A Well it looks like Daverio drafted it. I may 14 have changed a few words or whatever. His initials on the 15 bottom indicate that he drafted it. 16 0 Do you share secretaries?
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3 mail to me a copy of whatever documents you mail to Mr. 1 4 Miller in response to his request today also. 5 I have no other questions. I ~ 6 Thank you, Mr. Weismantle. , 7 MR. ZEUGIN: I have no further questions either. 8 (Whereupon, a t- 2:10 p.m. , the deposition of JOHN-9 ARTHUR WEISMANTLE concluded.) 10 * * **** 11 I have read the foregoing pages 12 through , inclusive, which 13 contain a correct transcript of 14 the answers made by me to the 15 questions-therein recorded. 16 Signature is subject to 17 ions. l-_ 18 DHN AR UR WEISMANTLE 19 * * **** h l- 20 . l 21 l 22 ' i l' ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC. - l;. 202-347-3700 Nationwide Coserage 800 33MM6
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2 I, Mary C. Simons, the officer before whom the l 3 foregoing deposition was taken, do hereby certify that the 4 witness whose testimony appears in the foregoing deposition 5 was duly sworn by me; that the testimony of said witness 6 was taken by me in stenomask to the test of my ability and 7 thereafter reduced to word processing by me, that said 8 deposition is a true record of the testimony given by said 9 witness; that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor 10 employed by any of the parties to the action in which this 11 deposition was taken; and further that I am not a relative 12 or employee of any attorney or counsel employed by the 13 {} parties thereto, nor financially or otherwise interested in the outcome of the action. ' 16 Mary C. Simons 17 Notary Public in and for the
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r - \ , y JCHN A. hEISMPNILE 9 Cori Lane East Northport, N.Y. 11731 7 m (516) 368-1363 V . LOG ISLAND LIGfrDG COWANY, HICKSVILLE, NEW YORK since 1965 1985-Present VICE PRESIDENP, ENGINEERING In November, 1985 I was elected to this position. I report to the Senior Vice President, Engineering and Operations. Five departments report to me - Power Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Environmental Engineering, Engineering Design and Mapping, and Engineering Analysis. W ese departments contain over 200 personnel. My responsibility includes all engineering and design for improvements to LILCO's fossil generating stations (3800 Mw) and transmission and distribution systems. We are also responsible for engineering and design of balance of plant improvements at the.800 Mw Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant. Engineering also provides operating support for our entire electric system. 1984-1985 MANAGER, FACILITIES PLANNING DEPARIMNP In March, 1984 LILCO reorganized and I was appointed to fill this positior. in addition to continuing as Manager of LERO. I reported to the V.P. Corporate Planning, and directed over 25 engineers with responsibility for planning LILCO's electric facilities and corporate R&D program. l983-1985 O v MANAGER, LOCAL EMEICDJCY RESPCNSE OfGANIZATION (LERO) Directed the development and implementation of a unique off-site nuclear emergency plan which relies entirely on utility workers, private companies and volunteer organizations. An approved off-site plan is the final requirement for a full power license for Shoreham. Responsibilities included development and maintenance of the plan, preparation and administration of training program for 2200 workers, establishing several emergency facilities and directing all preparations for a federally graded exercise held in February,1986. I made presentations to senior management and the Board of Directors, presented testimony on more than 50 issues in a protracted and bitterly contested licensing hearing, and advanced LILCO's position at debates and before the media. 1981-1983 MANAGER, POWER DGINEERING DEPARIMNP Led a department of over 30 engineers responsible for new fossil . projects, plant improvement projects and gas system engineering. My ) major project was the conversion of Port Jefferson Power Station (2-185 ' My units) to coal. We conceptual design developed under my direction was unique due to the small site, environmental concerns and the plant's location in a prosperous suburban comunity. I directed the preparation of license applications, served as LILOO's lead witness at , l State licensing hearings and worked closely with the local press and a l Citizens Advisory Comittee to defuse opposition. When Suffolk County 0 h64746 ft '
MRNAGER, POMI:R DCINEERING DEPARDENT (cont'd) - O refM to hlop an off-site emergency plan, I was appointed by the chair n of the Board to head a task force which ultimately resulted in the formation of LERO. 1978-1981 MhNAGER, PLAWING DEPARDENP Led a department of 30 engineers with responsibility for short and long range planning for all of LII40's electric facilities, and the corporate M D program. Directed preparation technical and economic reports on generation,of a wide range of transmission, distribution, conservation and load forecasting. 1965-1978 Held a variety of jobs of increasing responsibility in the Office of Engineering. 'these included serving as LILCO's first RtD Director, as Project Manager for the 2300MW Jamesport Nuclear Power Station and as Manager of the System Planning Division. Earlier positions included service as Project Coordinator for 2-360 Mw fossil units, lead mechanical engineer for Shoreham, and project engineer for 500 Mw of gas turbines. In these assignments I was responsible for several innovations including the introduction of titanium condenser tubing and the development of an air quality monitoring system that allowed the use of high sulfur oil in Suffolk
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County which has saved hundreds of millions of dollars. ETIX% TION Columbia University - New York City; M.S. in Mech. Engr. 1966; B.S. in Mech. Engr. 1964; B.A. 1963 1 O - Long Island University - Brookville, New York; M.S. in Nuclear Engineering Science 1970 University of Michigan - Public Utilities Executive Program,1979 PROFESSICNAL Professional Engineer, New York State, 1970 LICENSE INT 11 SPRY Past member of EEI Prime Movers and System Plar.ning Comittees, CCM4ITTEES EPRI Fossil Power Plant and Advanced Fossil Power Systems Task Forces, and several NYPP and ESEEICO Comittees. PROFESSIONAL Member, American Society of Mechanical Engineers AFFILIATICN PERSONAL Born: October 20, 1942 DATA Marital Status: Happily Married, Four Children Health: Excellent Personal Interests: Jogging, Reading, Skiing and Gardening Comunity Activities: Parish Council and Parish Outreach Advisory Board at St. Anthony's R.C. Church, Little League Manager, Soccer and Basketball Coach i Available upon request 10/86 jy l,,,7 g 4 74 7 9
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7 f~ P 2.1.1 (,) e 6 of 79 Attachment 2 Page 2 of 73 l POSITION DEFINITIONS (continued) Emergency Position: Manager of Local Response Activation Level: Unusual Event through General Emergency Response Location: Local EOC Responsible to: Director of Local Response Responsibilities: a. Primary responsibility for coordinating the implementation of response actions by the LERO staff as directed by the Director of Local Response.
- b. Chair the Recovery Action Committee and coordinating recovery /re-entry response in accordance with Procedure OPIP 3.10.1, Recovery /Re-Entry.
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- e. Supports protective response by consulting with and providing LERO response activity status reports to the Director of Local Response.
f. Serve as interim Director of Local Response until a Director is contacted or as appointed by the Director. Representative Titles of Individuals Designated to Fill This Position: LILCO Department Manager - Power Engineering LILCO Manager Coal Project - Power Engineering LILCO Department Manager - Customer Service rm () LILCO Manager of Engineering Rev. 5
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. .DAMotic frk Io Ow { J November 19, 1985 Messrs. J. W. McDonnell I. L. Freilicher Ms. L. Abraham Preparation for Graded Exercise Brochures and Sirens This to theisgraded the meno exercise. I promised about these two items as they relate It is recognized that both require attention in light of their potential ramifications in the area of public perception and governmental relations. It is noted that sounding the sirens and distributing public information both are activities associated with the legal authority" issue, and as such*may form part of theexercise.
basis for legal' action by the g opposition to prevent the graded Prior to a FEMA graded exercise typically the State / County distributes public information brochures to all residents and businesses within the Emergency Planning Zone (EPZ). The sirens are sounded at the appropriate point in the exercise.* Certainly this is the most " visible" part of the exercise to the greatest number of people who live near the plant. i Usually graded exercise.the brochures are mailed a couple of weeks prior to the At the same time the utility usually undertakes a media campaign to inform the public about the upcoming exercise. high marks on the random interviews of the public that FEMAThis maximiz conducts on the day of the These interviews focus on public awareness, graded generalexercise. understanding of the local emergency hearing the plan sirens. and knowledge of the appropriate response to
- Incidentally coincident with sounding the sirens an emergency message would be broadcast over the 13 stations which comprise the Emergency Broadcast System.
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l 1 0%a Sirens In late October a re-examination was made of the plan to change the quarterly growl test to a 30 second sound test on the sirens. This resulted in a redesign of the program which delays until January the need to run such tests. A method was developed which satisfies our quarterly testing commitment to the NRC as well as accomplishes the necessary siren hardware modifications to maximize our chances for success when we do sound'all 89 sirens simultaneously. A final decision would be premature now, but everyone must recognize that we must sound the 89 sirens either on the date of the graded exercise or on a specific day some time thereafter so FEMA can do their interviewing and reach conclusions. At this point in time my tentative opinion is that the sirens ought to be sounded the day of the exercise. Doing so successfully would enhance the public and governmental perception that the graded exercise was successful. Not doing so would add credence to the argument that the graded exercise is a sham. ll(, However, any one of at least three things could change my opinion. These are described as follows:
- 1. If those who are responsible for judging the potential impact of sounding the sirens in the areas of public perception and governmental relations conclude there will be significant detrimental effects.
- 2. If it turns out that sounding the sirens pose a significant legal impediment to running the exercise itself.
- 3. If some unexpected technical problem arises which tangibly reduces the probability of a successful siren test.
Brochures The Shoreham Public Information Brochure and related materials were litigated in great detail during the Emergency Planning Hearings. For a number of reasons I am leaning to the position of advocating to FEMA when we meet with them that we not issue l the brochure prior to the exercise. O. . 1
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O -- First, they contain material which would tend to stimulate further public controversy. Further they are written around LERO as it exists today with no indication of the legal controversy. authority"Suffolk like the County Plan Blue Binder"* situation.This could stimulate another controve Another factor related to issuing the public information materials prior to the graded exercise is the possibility of
" sabotage" by members of the public. I think many of our opponents would have a field day telling residents to " cast a vote against Shoreham" by denying that they heard the sirens, saying they were confused, would panic, etc.
In addition the brochures are very expensive to print. It will cost us over $135,000 to go through with printing all the public infornation materials.** About $100,000 is for the brochure that would be sent to all residences in the EPZ. Since there must be an ultimate solution to the legal authority question before we go above SI power, it is my guess we will probably have to reissue all these materials anyway incurring new costs of the same magnitude. A w It is my view that ours is a very special case which would probably make acceptable to FEMA a delay in issuing the brochure until some time after the drill for many of the reasons cited above. Possibly we could even get some agreement by the ASLB ahead of time that this could be a confirmatory item and not subj ect to post-exercise litigation. As I indicated several weeks ago I' hoped that by now FEMA and LILCO could reach some tentative agreement on how to handle the sirens and brochures. I raised the subject with Bob Wilkenson and he indicated that it would be inappropriate to discuss until the first meeting with the regional personnel. As things stand now this meeting will not take place until later this week at the earliest. This is another instance where the delay in meaningful communication with FEMA on the drill it, hurting us.
- Suffolk County performed a criminal investigation based on our use of binders which had the words "Suffolk County" on them.
** It is noted that if the drill is held in mid-January we are already a week behind the schedule for getting them in the mail at the start of January. This time may be made up, but only at an increased cost for " rush" service.
Q w Please let me know if you have a problem with any of the above. I'll keep everyone advised of further developments. kW J. A. Weismantle cc: Dr. M. C. Cordaro Messrs. J. D. Leonard C. A. Daverio D. P. Irwin J. N. Christman Ms. K. E. B. McCleskey s Om A L :
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- HICKSVILLE. NEW YORK 19801 Direct Dial Number November 25, 1985 Mr. Roger Kowieski RAC Chairman Federal Emergency Management Agency 26 Federal Plaza New York City, NY
Dear Mr. Kowieski:
A project instruction was established in February of 1984 for development of the Shoreham scenario. This instruction contains requirements for security which apply.to all phases of scenario production including development, review, approval, reproduction, distribution and revisions. The scenario and all of its associated documentation is maintained in a locked cabinet at IMPELL's offices, a LILCO consultant.
- The scenario was typed on IMPELL's word processing system.
(_,) A security code has been established and is maintained by the project clerical staff. Access to scenario software is con-trolled by the Project Engineer. A control list of personnel allowed to ddvelop or review the scenario are included in the instruction, including all i secretarial support. Each person who has, or ever has had access to the written scenarios has known that it was a confi-dential document and that its contents should not, under any circumstances, be revealed to anyone without approved access. No person who has had access or will have access to the scenario ~ will be allowed to participate in the graded exercise. Mr. l Charles A. Daverio, has been designated, LILCO's Lead Controller, I for the purposes of scenario development. If you need further information, please contact Mr. Daverio. Very truly yours, i
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Arreements Re!#M at November 25.1985 Meetine with LILCO Concerning E Mt1 M !!L B E S at Per your request yesterday afternoon, this memorandum colleets and summarises my understanding of the commitments made by Charles Deverio on behalf of Imag Island Lighting Company (LILCO), and by yourself on behalf of FE'tA at ther meeting held yesterday at FEMA Region 11 to plan for the proposed exercise at the Shoreham Nuelear Power Station. Insofar as I was unfamular with the plan, the proposed objeettres, and the proposed scenario at the time of this meeting, I suggest that you review this carefully to assure that I did not misunderstand the context in which various statements were made(and. hones, the substance of the commitments).
!. COMMITMENTS SY LILCO ] i-O ^ ta <t***at=tri*t'F a'taat't== tv tata participants have necess to it. The letter from John A. Weismantle, LILCO, to you dated November 25, 1985 on this subject (distributed at the meeting) is to be fonowed by another refloating additional requirements suggested by Stuart Glass, Esq.
B. The exercise is to be no earlier than February 13, 1985. LILCO is to try to arrange for that dates the only problem is that the Nassau Colosseum may not be available because setup for the upcoming boat show might interfere with the exercise. LILCO win get back to you about this. C. The exercise win be of Revision 5 of the LILCO Transition Plans further revisions to refleet the RAC review of Revision 5 will not be made. D. The exercise will take no more than one day, with the starting time no earlier f than 6:00 A.M. and the termination no later than 5:00 P.M. E. Exercise partleipants will be told no more than the date of the exercise. I l l D : I i 731787 l ,
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-s which you submitted to LILCO is aseeptable and will be used as the basis for a scenaris.
- As rauch of this as possible (perhaps the entire scenario) will be submitted by December 8, 1985. Stokes, Weise, Amato, KeRer, and you each are to receive a copy of that O submis ion. those sent to NaC are to comeir with ie ei re ir = ente enahun them to b.
esempt from fulng la the Pubtle Documant Room (probably including malHag in a double envelope with " PROPRIETARY" stamped on.the outside). G. No shift change win be demonstrated &t the esereise. H. No actual traffle direction win take place at the eneroises traffle guides will be questioned by evaluators at their locations to determine the level of performanes. I I. LILCO win provide assistanee based on its knowledge and experience concerning how to assure that the exercise and its observation are in complete compliance with an applicable laws. la partleular, this is to include a list of traffle control points at whleh it could be luegal for an observer to park, exit his or her vehicle, and question a traffle guide positioned there. l l J. LILCO win respond to your suggestion that it write saan school district and request that it partielpate la the esereise. E. LILCO will permit Stokee and Weiss to attend the drin scheduled for December 3-4, 1985, and win permit you to attend future drills (e.g.. the " dress rehearsal" in January 1988).
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A. You will send LILCO a letter with a revised " time line," i.e., milestone schedule leading up to the exercise. B. You win send a formalletter with the proposed scenario parameters (l.a., wind and radiation) as presented informany at the meeting. C. It is acceptable to FEMA for the relocation center at the Nassau Colosseum to be activated somewhat out of syne with the exercise scenario, provided that it is activated on the same day as the exercise ami in such a way that communications witn the Colosseum can be demonstrated realistically. D. It Is acceptable to FEMA for the medical drill to be performed out of syne with the exercise scenario, provided that it takes place on the same day as the exercise. FEMA will accept a demonstration of either an onsite or an offsite injury. E. It is acceptable to FEMA that the Red Cross actually demonstrate its espability at no more than one or two locations. F. It is acceptable to FEMA that the EES station (s) not air exercise messages, provided that the exercise messages all are drafted as planned and a test message is alred. The objective on p.11 of the " Proposed Exercise Objectives for the 1988 l Shoreham Exercise" (dated November 6,1985), which states that the Emergency News Center must demonstrate its ability to draft EBS messages, wiu be rewritten to reflect the fact that EBS messages are drafted in the EOC, provided that LILCO explains this in a letter to FEMA. 4/ /cg/ g xJy g g,gj Q d ' N^' ~t 647 6pum&//f , 731788
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G. The objoetivo on p. 4 cf the " Proposed Exereise Objectives for the 1984 Shoreham Exercise (dated N;v:mter 8,1986), chich states that aseems eentrol points
*m' must be demonstrated, will be rewritten to refleet the feet that only traffle guidance is planned (as distinguished from control), provided that LILCO explains this in a letter to~
O FEMA. l H. The ohjeetive on p. 4 of the E:::f Emeralse Objeetives for the 1986 Shoreham Exercise (dated November 4,1985). which states that a demonstration must De made that the permanent population hea reeelved information about the plan, will not be demonstrated, provided that L1LCO gives a good reason why in a letter to FEMA, and provided that the remainder of the publie alerting system (strens. EBS, and route alerting) is dzMonstrated as planned.
!. Although the exaroise will demonstrate revision S of the plan, it is seceptable to FEMA for LILCO to clarify it at the observer training session which will precede the exereise.
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a u' 5. Federal Emargency Managemant Agency Region II 26 Federal Plaza New York, New York 10278 n . V j 2 DEC 1985 Mr. Charles A. Daverio Iong Island Lighting Company 175 East Old Country Road Hicksville, New York 11801
Subject:
Status and Milestones Relating to the Proposed Radiological Plan Exercise for Shoreham
Dear Mr. Daverio:
The purpose of this letter is to summarize our discussions and confirm the agreements reached at the November 25, 1985 meeting in . New York City attended by: Charles Daverio - LIICO Brant Aidikoff - LIILO/Ait'ikoff Assoc. Raymond Seiter - LIICO/Impell Charles Amato - NRC, Region I William Stokes - TBA/ FEMA Edward Tanzman - Argonne National Laboratory Bernard Weiss - NRC, National Office Robert L. Acerno - FEMA, Region II Stewart M. Glass - FEMA, Region II/OGC Spence W. Perry - FEMA, National /OGC Roger B. Kowieski
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The scenario is to be kept strictly confidential as it evolves, so that no exercise participants have access to it. The letter from John A. Weismantle, LIICO, to Roger Kowieski dated November 25, 1985 on this subject (dsitributed at the meeting) is to be followed by another one re-flecting additional requirements suggested by Stewart Glass, Esq.
*o The exercise is to be no earlier than February 13, 1986. LIIro will try to arrange for that dater the main problem is the Nassau Coliseum may not be available because setup for the upcoming boat show might inter-fere with the exercise. LILCO will get back to FEMA about this issue.
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II. EXERCISE OBJECTIVES On November 6, 1985, I submitted the proposed objectives to be demonstrated TEMA headquarters in theoffice. upcoming offsite exercise to Mr. Richard Krism of - On November 21, 1985, the exercise objectives were forwarded to Mr. Edward Jordan of NBC. 1985 a copy of Mr. Krimm's memorandum to Mr. Jordan and the proposedConse exercise objectives were transmitted to your office. At our November 25, 1985 exercise objectives. meeting, there was a brief discussion of the were the followings Some of the key agreements reached at this meeting o No shift change will be demonstrated at the exercise. The ability to maintain by rostirs. staffing in the LERO organization will be demonstrated o No actual traffic direction will take place at the exercises traffic guides the level will ofbe questioned by evaluators at TCP locations to determine performance. o It is acceptable to FEMA for the relocation center at the Nassau County Colisenu to be activated somewhat out of sequence with the , exercise scenario, provided that it is activated on the same day as the exercise, and in such a way that communications between the Coloseum and EOC can be demonstrated realistically, o It is acceptable to FEMA for the medical drill to be performed out of sequence on the same day withasthe theexercise scenario, provided that it takes place exercise. FEMA will accept a demonstration of either an onsite or an offsite injury. ' o It is acceptable to FEMA that the Red Cross actually demonstrate its capability at no more than two locations. o The objective which states that access control points must be demon-strated, will be rewritten to reflect the fact that only traffic guidance is planned (as distinguished from control), provided that LILCO explains this in a letter to FEMA.
- o LIIro will advise FEMA about the level of participation by various school districts.
It was (around December agreed at this meeting that LIIf0 will advise FEMA in writing 4, 1985) 1 l if any. of suggested modifications to the exercise objectives, 1 0 731778 3 I
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At the November 25, 1985 specific instructions regarding the exercise scenariomeeting, : with the FEMA p A. Proposed wind directions for periods of radioacti release: ve material 1st direction - out of4700, toward wsw (4%) _Radious Zones Affected - assuming 3 sectors 0-2. miles Population A,B small part of C _ 7,969 without C 2-5 miles 11,415 with C A,B,F, G 37,326 5-10 miles F,G,K,L,R,Q 87,561 2nd direction - out of 300, toward ESE (12%) 0-2 miles A,C,D,E 11,519 2-5 miles C,D,E,I,J . 5-10 10,913 I,J,0,P,S 12,975 B. Source Term and Meteorological Conditions . i FEMP. requested that the exercise scenario produce th o e followings l total intergraded dose between 4.0 to 5 5 miles i n 1st wind direction Rem thyroid). will exceed 140% of PAG (/1.4 o y orRea7.0 whole b d I o 1 No constraints on dose in 2nd wind direction measurable in the 2-3 mile area. ept it will excbe i i A note of clarification is required concerning'the and the scenario requirements discussed during our exercise Novemb duration It is FEMA's stated objective ".... schedule as full an er 25th meeting. i Local Emergency Response Organization (LERO) plan as iof the LILCO exercise therefore, the discussion of scenario duratio s feasible....", should not exercised. be construed as limiting the level of play on thn and scenario req intended as a guide, bassd on our previous e. experiencThe ng is twe longer
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! Assistance Comunittee for review and comments egional by D indicated that they will try to meet this' date. , 1985. LIIro IV. PROPOSED MILESTONE DATES FOR THE SCENARIO _ E__ COMP i DAYS PRIOR . I PROPOSED TO DATE ACTIVITY EXERCISE 80 11/25/85 _ FEMA provides the utility with the proposed exercise objectives. i 80 11/25/85 Meeting with the utility to establish the exercise scenario requirements. 71 12/4/85 Utility will advise FEMA in writing about suggested modification to the O exercise objectives, if any.
- 69 12/6/85 Utility submits the draft exercise scenario to FEMA and NRC Region for review.
' This submission will include the on-site (radiological data) and off-site portions of the exercise . -6 scenario. , 69 12/6/85 Proposed exercise objectives and utility comments / modifications are submitted to the Regional Assistance Committee for review and comments. 62 12/13/85 Taking into account the utility. input and RAC comments, FEMA will provide the utility with the revised exercise objectives. In addition, FEMA provides LERO with a list of items to be demonstrated (e.g. , number of TCPs, O evacuation routes, etc.) . ( 0 .L _( O U i r-,.-- - . - , _
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{ 57 12/18/85 Utility submits the final exercise objectives to FEMA and NRC Regional ; office. 55 12/20/85 RAC comments on the exercise scenario are provided to the utility. If necessary, FEMA and NBC Region will meet with the utility representatives-to discuss modifications necessary to complete the scenario. 41 1/3/86 Utility submits the final exercise scenario which will include, at a minimum - o a comprehensive description of all activities to be demonstrated, consistent with exercise objec-tives O o a full schedule of all events at each classification level (matrix): o dosimetry values to be supplied to the field monitoring and sampling
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k.4.L l(a Io: (,,. E c. q i.J Q j. T0: J.A. Weismantle FROM: C.A. Daverio k DATE: December 19, 1985 SUlklECT: Activities to be Demonstrated During Exemise i FEMA has agreed to provide the following infomation concerning the i activities to be demonstrated during the exercise:
- 1. A. No more than 13 LERO buses will be required.
- 8. No more than 4 ambulances will be required.
C. No more than 4 ambulettes will be required ,
- 2. Thqy will require that the . Coast Guard perfom notification of vessels at the appropriate time in the examise.
- 3. A medical drill will be required. This may be done out of '
sequence. This examise will consist of an onsite injury requiring offsite medical assistance. We talked to N. DiMascio A( U.. - concerning this and he stated that the hospital and the volunteer ambulance compan prefor weekend drills. FEMA has agreed to the weekend drill. LILC0 will need to provide FEMA with a list of acce le days. They have expressed a desire to
. hold it prior to bruary 13. This item should be passed on to D., Crocker.
- 4. Concerning schools, if a school district is willing to participate. FEMA would expect approximately two empty buses from one school to simulate the appropriate protective action.
- 5. FEMA expects the sirens, EBS and tone alerts to be activated at the appropriate time. The message broadcast on the EBS may be a message which only discusses the testing of the sirens.
- 6. FENA has requested a copy of the homebound, mobility impaired people. We have canalitted to providing by the end of the year.
- 7. FEMA has requested that LILCO arrange for desks and telephones for Federal Observers at the following facilities:
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~7 January 2,.1986 Ex 17 O All Shift 1 LERO Workers and All Field Workers Drill and Exercise Schedule for January / February 1986 As you.xnow, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) J i has scheduled an exercise of our LERO plan for Thursaay, i February 13. All LERO workers assigned to Shift 1 will participate. A large majority of field workers (bus drivers, traffic guides; roaa crew, evacuation route spotters and route alert drivers) will also participate.
In addition to certain specialized training during January, we will be conducting two full, scale drills that will involve all'LERO facilities. These drills will be held on Thursday, January 23
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For these drills and the exercise we will use our normal-notification procedure. That is, you will be notified by phone to attend the drill on that day, or if-lypu have been - issued a pager, your pager will sound and you will have to follow your notification cocedure for calling additional (this procedure wi 1 be sent to you prior to the Q The way our notification procedure works, all field workers will be called or paged (not just Shift 1) . This way we can be assured of having enough people at the drills and at the exercise. If more than the required number of field workers report, we will release some of them to go back to their normal job assignments. We must be assured of your availability for both drills in Januagy;as well as the graded exercise on February 13. We need your confirmation now that you will be available on all three dates. If you cannot be at both drills in. January and the exercise on February 13 due to unavoidable absence from work, or if you have any reason to believe now that you might not be able to make all three dates, fill out the attached form and return it to Vicki Palmiotto, LERIO, Melville as soon as possible.
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- practice and consistent with common sense, certain parameters are provided by FEMA' ahead of time to the local response organization. In our case, we request that you obtain the following
- 1. The starting and completion times of the graded exercise as they relate to LERO workers. This
' information is needed to minimize the impact of the
', exercise on the normal activities of numerous emergency workers and their families. In this non-emergency situation which may involve hours outside the normal Os work day for most, if not all, LERO workers, it is only , reasonable to allow people to worker will be away from home. plan around thewetime In addition, need a this information to finalize specific arrangements for buses, ambulances, etc. We also need this information to provide some guidance to external organizations as to what time frame they may be contacted.
- 2. The extent to which any aspect of the exercise (including free play) will require the participation of outside resources beyond those identified in your memo of December 16,
- 3. The bulk of the field activities in a normal graded exercise usually involve somple numbers of emergency workers. While we plan to dispatch field workers in accordance with our plan and procedures (i.e. send out as many as needed for the particular zones being 4
" evacuated"), given the volatile nature of the
. circumstances surrounding our exercise, we think it is prudent to consider a contingency plan ahead of time to use a " sample" approach. In this regard:
A. How many traffic posts does FEMA want to observe? () B. How many transfer points will be observe ~d and how many total bus routes run? 0
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Q- C. Is there a' need for all workers who were -dispatched into the field to'be processed at the EWDF or can we use a sample and release the others?
- 4. Will any traffic guides be required to be dispatched to post and be required toan area direct and (on privateIfgroperty') so, we traffic?show need to arrange ahead of time for the " traffic" and need .
to know how many extra cars and drivers to arrange for, and where and when to be available.
- 5. We believe it is unnecessary to have all buses (and simulated buses) travel to the reception center. We plan to have a half dozen vehicles do this. Please-sdvise.
- 6. We believe the existence of rosters showing second and third shif ts (in the jobs necessary) should be sufficient to demonstrate a change of shifts. If this is unacceptable for some reason, we would propose a combination of " samples" who would report as part of a shift change plus the rosters. Please advise.
- 7. The logistics of route alerting need to be established O now, even though there is a possibility we will not sound the sirens. In any regard, will FEMA simply pick a certain number of sirens and identify them as having
" failed" and provide that as input at the EOC? If they
- do are we expected to simply implement our plan as far i as dispatch for route alerting? Or if the sirene are actually sounded, are we expected to have route alert drivers be dispatched to those which are identified by us as having failed? It is also noted that no matter what, we do not intend to have the route alert drivers use their PA systems while they run their routes.
- 8. At the one congregate care center that we have been asked to simulate, we assume FEMA does not want us to obtain " stand-ins" for the general public to be
" processed," but will sim knowledge of the process. The ply interview same applies stafftoforthetheir reception center. Please advise.
- 9. Is there a need to have Island Helicopter and Marketing Evaluations directly participate on the day of the exercise? If so, to what degree?
- 10. As far as tow trucks are concerned, we intend to demonstrate how a sample (say three) are brought to the staging areas, and (if the response calls for it)
O dispatch part or all of the sample as approp~riate to th2ir field locations. Please advise.
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We need the names of the FEMA controllers / observers, by the facility they will be located at, a week ahead of the exercise so we can assure that it is factored into our security plans. In this regard, we would suggest that FEMA issue special identification cards or other information that would insure that unauthorized individuals do not gain access to our facilities by posing as FEMA observers. Also, we assume that FEMA will provide their own arm bands, clip boards, etc. However, any FEMA equipment needs should be identified by February 1. We need to provide some orientation to LERO workers ahead of time so that they know who the observers / controllers are and what the guidelines are in dealing with them. For instance, if the controller asks a question can a LERO worker request clarification? Are the LERO workers expected or allowed to talk to a controller directly and explain what he or she is doing if the worker thinks his actions may be misinterpreted? Finally, as is customary we need to provide information ahead of time to the numerous outside organizations (i.e. school districts, hospitals, bus companies, etc.) who may be contacted by FEMA on the day of the exercise. We need some guidelines for them to assure that the FEMA people can be positively identified to avoid the potential for disruptive tactics (such as the use of imposters). Also, we need to rovide information as to how (]) muchtimemightbeinvolvedfortkeoutsideorganizationand when and where their presence might be required, etc. O k J. A. Weismantle JAW:j rc cc: Messrs. W. F. Renz D. P. Irwin l
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- Of January 21, 1986 This memorandum will respond to each of your questions in the order asked. Some questions will have to be discussed with FEMA before I can give you a complete answer. These items will be
- noted.
- 1. As I previously mentioned, as emergency drill participants are complete with their necessary actions, they can be' released. Furthermore, the scenario will define when a demonstration is complete, at which time participants will be instructed how to proceed. 'Notwiths.tanding. phis, '
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- 2. The only area not addressed in my December 16 memorandum, is the requirement for observation of two congregate care centers. Brant has been working on this with the Red Cross.
- 3. I believe it is in LILCO's best interest to implement the plan and procedures to the fullest extent possible during the exercise. Your decision on to what excent a demon-stration is required should be made based on your decision on how to defend the exercise as a good test of the LERO plan and procedures. Also, a good scenario is one that tests the plan and procedures with a minimum of dis-ruptions. Therefore, it assumes you would implement the plan as the procedures would require. I don't think a scale downed exercise would be appropriate. One general point, which cuts across many of your questions, is that if additional personnel is required for a demonstration, the scenario will take that into account.
- 4. The scenario will not require you to do anything illegal.
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- 6. FEMA's general guidance in this area allows demonstration by either a roster check or shift change.
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- 8. FINA will evaluate congregate care as they do at the 2
sites. ;
- 9. See answers 2 and 3. My December 16 memo describes the ;
resources required.
- 10. $ 1d i good point we will address with FEMA.
Pane 3. Parsaraoh 1: No problem. FEMA will appear with receral photo I.D. cards. Pane 3. Paranraph 2: Written guidelines will be provided to all players. Pane 3. Paranraph 3: D i11' raise your concern to FEMA. M 2 O IPMWIImmeetto CAD /kv cc: Messrs. W. F. Renz T. O. Laissing LERO File u l O i l l \ l - - _ _ ---- _. _ - - -
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Peconic Ambulance Service, Inc. P.O. Drawer P Jamesport, NY 11947-0611
Dear Mr. McCabe:
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has scheduled a Graded Exercise for February 13, 1986 to evaluate our emergency plan for the Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant. This exercise will begin with a simulated incident at Shoreham which will require the activation of our Local Emergency Response Organization (LERO) . We request that you or one of your representatives attend an informational meeting regarding this graded exercise and your O possible participation on February 13. These meetings should last no longer than two hours and are scheduled for:
- 1) February 6, 1986, Thursday, at 6:30 p.m. at our Brentwood Office (buffet dinner will be served),
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- 2) Breakfast on February 8, 1986, Saturday, at 9:30 a.m.
at our Brentwood Office. Please call Joan Wiggins at (516) 420-6081 by February 5, 1986, and let her know which meeting you or your representative plan to attend. Enclosed is a map indicat:ing directions to our Brentwood Office. The meeting will be held in Meeting Room B-10 (bar,ement) . Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Yours truly, k an Enclosure l.764703 O m
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The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has scheduled a Graded Exercise for February 13, 1986 to evaluate our emergency plan for the Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant. - This exercise will begin with a simulated incident at Shoreham t-hich will require the activation of our Local Emergency Response Organization (LERO). We request that you or one of your representatives attend an informational meeting regarding this graded exercise and your O possible participation on February 13. These meetings should last no longer than two hours and are scheduled for:
- 1) February 6, 1986, Thursday, at 6:30 .m. at our Brentwood Office (buffet dinner will be served ,
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- 2) Breakfast on February 8, 1986, Saturday, at 9:30 a.m.
at our Brentwood Office. Please call Joan Wiggins at (516) 420-6081 by February 5, 1986, and let her know which meeting you or your representative plan to attend. Enclosed is a map indicatin'g directions to our Brentwood Office. The meeting will P held in Meeting Room B-10 (basement). Thank you it. advance for your cooperation. Yours truly, c .' G&& O # Enclosure L764655 S
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-. . February 3, 1986 Ms. Joan Portnoy Crest Hall Health Related Facility Church Lane and Oak Crest Avenue -
Middle Island, NY 11953
Dear Ms. Portnoy:
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has scheduled a Graded Exercise for February 13, 1986 to evaluate our emergency response plan for the Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant. This exercise will begin with a simulated incident at Shoreham which will require the activation of our Local Emergency Response The general public will not be asked to Q Organization (LERO).ta e any action, but your organization or facility may be contac by an observer authorized by the Federal government to gather in-formation about how you would respond in the unlikely event of an actual radiological accident at Shoreham. You may be asked questions about how you would be notified, the emergency zone in which you are located, who you would contact for further information, the draft procedures for protective actions (e.g., sheltering or evacuation) given you by LERO and your regular emergency plan and whether it has been exercised. Attached is a summary of the information that was provided to you during the emergency planning process. Please review it, and if you have any questions about this material or the exercise, please call Joan Wiggins at 516-420-6081. Very truly yours, Q. Wa . Attachment bec: Messrs. C. A. Daverio-w/o Draf t Plan Original Attachments: N C r stman",, Information Summary Sheet ,, Draft Protective Action Imple- f,.M. . ey" " " mentation Plan Rev. O LERO File L764080
Crest Hall Hasith R21sted Facility Joan Portnoy l Church Lane and Oak Crest Avenue - Middle Island, N.Y. .11953 Phone (day) 924-8830 (off hours) i Zone K Tone Alert-1 l Letters of Agreement Evacuation transfer agreement between Oak Hollow Nursing . Center and Crest Hall HRF and LaSalle Military Academy dated 11/27/84. Evacuation transportation agreement between LILCO and Oak Hollow Nursing Center and Crest Hall HRF dated 11/27/84. Tone Alert (T/A) installation - 11/23/82 Relocation Center LaSalle Military Academy - Transportation - LERO - 2 buses 10 ambulances 53 ambulettes (For Both Facilities) '(} Training-Contact Meeting - Sheltering and General Emerg. Prepared.- 9/15/83 - Contact Meeting - Potential training material review - 8/30/84 Contact Meeting - Protective Action Implementation - 5/1/84 Plans and Sheltering Plans i Information sent (brochures, pamphlets, procedures, etc.) 4/18/84 - Draft (Rev. 0) Protective Action Implementation Plan. 4/6/84 - Information on Potassium Iodide (KI). 2/3/84 - For Your Information - SNPS binder Rev. 3 - Local Offsite Radiological Emergency Response Plan i 9/1/83 - Sheltering information ! ([) L 784881 1 w,n-,v,c.---w,w,.-,-- ---,----m~~~~-- ,v--~,--w-~m,- --,_k-n-v-,-w w--,w,_--,
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Ms. Madeline Butler Administrator Riverhead Nursing Home and - Health Related Facility P.O. Box 628 1146 Woodcrest Avenue Riverhead, NY 11901
Dear Ms. Butler:
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The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has scheduled a Graded Exercise for February 13, 1986 to evaluate our emergency response plan for the Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant. O rhis exercise wi11 begin with a simu1ated incident at Shoreham which will require the activation of our Local Emergency Response Organization (LERO). The general public will not be asked to take any action, but your organization or facility may be contacted by an observer authorized by the Federal government to gather in-formation about how you would respond in the unlikely event of an actual radiological accident at Shoreham. You may be asked questions about how you would be notified, the emergency zone in which you are located, who you would contact for further information, the draft procedures for protective actions (e.g., sheltering or evacuation) given you by LERO and your regular emergency plan and whether it has been exercised. Attached is a summary of the information that was provided to you during the emergency planning process. Please review it, and if you have any questions about this material or the exercise, please call Joan Wiggins at 516-420-6081. Very truly yours, nn-i bec: essrs. C. A. Daverio - w/o Draf " t Plan W. F. Renz Attachment J. N. Christman ". l Original Attachments: Ms. J. M. Wiggins " Information Summary Sheet K. E. McCleskey Draft Protective Action Imple- LERO File mentation Plan Rev. 1 l 704b01 b _ _ _ _ _ _ _ . _ _
Riverhead Nursing Home and H2alth R910tsd Facility Madeline Butler, Administrator P.O. Box 628 1146 Woodcrest Avenue Riverhead, N.Y. 11901 Phone: (day) 727 7744 (Off Hours) Zone P Tone Alert 1 Letters of Acreement Signed agreement betwee- Riverhead Nursing Home and Health
'Related Facility with 12Salle Military Academy.
1 Relocation Center
- LaSalle Military Academy Transportation - LERO - ; buses 1 ambulance 30 ambulettes Trainino Contact Meetina - To discuss sheltering 7/19/83 Contact Meeting - General Discussion on emergency planning - 10/28/83 Training Meeting - 2 training tapes, 3 training brochures - 8/23/84 Contact Meeting - Discussed draft plans, staff and relocation centers - 6/11/84 Information Sent (brochures, pamphlets, procedures, etc.)
Rev. 0 - Draf t plans of Protective Action Im'plem. Plan - 6/5/84 Rev.1 - Draf t - Protective Action Implem. Plan - 11/26/84 For Your Information Binder - 2/3/84 Information about Shoreham and Emergency Planning l () 3/2/84 - Copy of LILCO's Testimony on Contentions 24.F,G,I,K,L,0, P,R,5 and T Pgs. 1-14, 33 Att. 29, 30. 3/21/84 -LILCO's 965 - Pgs. Testimony 1-30; Att. on Contentions 24.J,N; 72.C,D;1,2,8,13,1 764692
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Mr. Ronald Baumann Baumann & Sons Buses, Inc.
& Affiliates 24 Railroad Avenue East Northport, NY 11737
Dear Mr. Baumann:
This letter will confirm the arrangements discussed regarding the February 13, 1986 FDIA graded exercise. You will be providing us with: O nember of Buses vard 4 Westhampton 4 Bohemia These buses are to be available all day (24 hours) on February 13th. They should be in good working condition, clean, have a full tank of gas and equipped with the required safety equisment. We will require someone to remain at the yard until , all )uses are returned As agreed all buses will be refueled by your company and we will expedite payment for this fuel. Thank you for your efforts in complying with cliese require-ments. Your cooperation in moving the four buses to the Westhampton yard on the night of February 12 and their return' to normal operation on February 14 is appreciated. Yours tru,17 , DL s\d G bec: Messrs. C. A. Daverio O cc Ms. Rosemarie Perry W. F. Renz Ms. J.. Wiggins Ms. E. M. Ryan Ms. 2. D. Robinson
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Dear Mr. Eberhardt:
This letter will confirm the arrangements discussed regarding the February 13, 1986 FEMA graded exercise. You will be providing us with: . Number of Buses Yard 4 Lake Ronkonkoma O These buses are to be available all day (24 hours) on February 13th. They should be'in good working condition, clean, have a full tank of gas and equipped with the required safety eq ipment. We will require someone to remain at the yard until al buses are returned. As agreed all buses will be refueled by your company and we will expedite payment for this fuel. Thank you for your efforts in complying with these requirements. Yours truly, d t-(yJ n y bec: essrs. C. A. Daverio W. F. Renz Ms. J. Wiggins Ms. E. M. Ryan Ms. E. D. Robinson Ms. K. E. B. McCleskey O LERO File J. N. Christman [764718 j
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Court Street Copiague, NY 11726
Dear Mr. Gumbs:
This letter will confirm the arrangements discussed regarding the February 13, 1986 FEMA graded exercise. You will be providing us with: Number of Buses Yard 4 Copiague f l These buses are to be available all day (24 hours) on February 13th. They should be in good working condition, clean, have a full tank of gas and equipped with the required safety e qui < ament. We will require someone to remain at the yard until all :)uses are returned. As agreed all buses will be refueled by your company and we will expedite payment for this fuel. Thank you for your efforts in complying with these requirements. Yours truly, 00-s \ h'JW bec: Messrs. C. A. Daverio W. F. Renz i 1 Ms. J. Wiggins l Ms. E. M. Ryan Ms. E. D. Robinson Ms. K. E. B. McCleskey O LERO File J. N. Christman "764716
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Mr. Kevin Clifford Huntington Coach Corp. Pulaski Road & Sch Avenue Huntington Station NY 11746
Dear Mr. Clifford:
This letter will confirm the arrangements discussed regarding the February 13, 1986 FDfA graded exercise. l You will be providing us with: Number of Buses Yard O 4 Huntington These buses are to be available all day (24 hours) on February 13th. They should be in good working condition, clean, have a fdl tank of gas and equipped with the required safety equipment. 'M will require someone to remain at the yard until all busas are returned. As agreed all buses will be refueled by your company and we will expedite payment for this fuel. Thank you for your efforts in complying with these requirements. Yours truly,
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.r :- - February 7, 1986 Ms. Ellen Dellela United Bus Corp.
Old Middle Country Rd. Coram, NY 11727
Dear Ms. Dellela:
This letter will confirm the arrangements discussed regarding the February 13, 1986 FEMA graded exercise. You will be providing us with: Number of Buses Yard 4 Yaphank 4 Coram These buses are to be available all day (24 hours) on February 13th. They should be in good working condition, clean, have a full tank of gas and equipped with the required safety equipment. We will require someone to remain at the yard until all buses are returned. As agreed all buses will be refueled by your company and we will expedite payment for this fuel. Thank you for your efforts in complying with these requirements. Yours truly. An s\ {'JW bec: Messrs. C. A. Daverio W. F. Renz Ms. J. Wiggins Ms. E. M. Ryan Ms. E. D. Rot inson Ms. K. E. B. McCleskey J. N. Christman LERO File 1764714 c - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Dear Px. Acker:
This letter will confirm the arrangements discussed regarding the February 13, 1986 FEMA graded exercise. You will be providing us with: Number of Buses' Yard O Setauket V 4 4 Middle Island These buses are to be available all day (24 hours) on February 13th. They should be in good working condition, clean, have a full tank of gas and equipped with the required safety equipment.- We will require someone to remain at the yard until all buses are returned. As agreed all buses will be refueled by your company and we will expedite payment for this fuel. Thank you for your efforts in complying with these requirements. Yours t;ruly, 1 l} {) s\O bec: Messrs. C. A. Daverio W. F. Renz Ms. J. Wiggins Ms. E. M. Ryan cc: Ms. M. mci 1ree Ms. E. D. Robinson Mr. R. Rogers Ms. K. E. B. McCleskey O LERO File-J. N. Christman L764712
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Mr. Richard Gabriele MediBus 225 Oser Avenue Hauppauge, NY 11788
Dear Mr. Gabriele:
This letter will confirm the arrangements discussed regarding our February 13, 1986 FEMA graded exercise. You will be providing us with: O seat tauieme=t 3 ambulances 0 ambulettes MediBus 3 ambulances 6 ambulettes These vehicles and drivers are to be available all day (24 hours) on February 13th. Thank you for your cooperation. Yours truly, yJ n s\ cc: Ms. Debbie Leopardi bec: Messrs. C. A. Daverio W. F. Renz Ms. J. Wiggins Ms. E. M. Ryan Ms. E. D. Robinson Ms. K. E. B. McCleskey J. N. Christman LEROFile[ .764710
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Dear Mr. Coulter:
This letter will confirm the arrangements discussed regarding our February 13, 1986 FEMA graded exercise. You will be providing us with: 2 ambulances and drivers O- 2 ambulettes and drivers These vehicles and drivers are to be available all day (24 hours) on February 13th. Thank you for your cooperation. Yours truly, i s si ( e- //o bec: Messrs. C. A. Daverio W. F. Renz
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- February 8, 1986 Mr. Duane Seaman Seaman Bus Company 82 Rou:e 25A Shoreham, NY 11786 .
Dear Mr. Seaman:
This letter is to confirm the arrangements discussed regarding our February 13,1986 FD4A graded exercise. O You will be providing two school buses with drivers to report to Shoreham-Wading River High School for instructions from the school's Transportation Coordinator (Robert Sokel) as to the assigned bus routes to drive. They are to be available during the day between 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM. Please send invoices regarding this cost to Ms. Joan Wiggins, 1660 Walt Whitman Road, Melville, NY 11747. Thank you for your cooperation. Yours truly,
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Dear Mr. Rasbury:
Per: cur conversation, I am forwarding to you copies of - two letters indicating the cooperation of Nassau County Government in the Shoreham emergency response plan. m - /l/1 BA:jrc Attachments cc: Mr. B. Aidikoff LERO File LERIO File l l O L.764695
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October 1, 1984 Mr. E.B. Sumerlin, Jr. Vice President / General Manager Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum Hyatt Management Corporation of New York, Inc. Uniondale, New York 11553
Dear Mr. Sumer11n:
This letter will confirm discussions between members of my staff with you and officials of the Long Island Lighting Company
.:. . . regarding the use of the Nassau Vg,terans Nemorial Coliseum as a reception center for the public in the event of a radiclogical emergency ,at the Shoreham Nuclear Power Station.
I am aware of and approve the use of the Coliseum as a reception
- center for members of the public requiring assistance from the Local Emergency Response Organization and/or the American Red Cross as a result of any accident at Shoreham which results in the recommendation that the public evacuate from part or all of the ,
Emergency Planning Zone around Shoreham. Included will be:
- a. The identification in public information of the Coliseum as the reception center,
- b. ,The use of the Coliseum for performing radiological monitoring and decontamination as necessary, and
..> c Cooperation with LILCO in planning, training and exercises as well as in the event of an accident. :.- , .
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Mr. E. B. Sumerlin, Jr. ~ Detober 1, 1984 Page 2 I want to assure you that in the event of an emergency at Shoreham, as at all times, the Nassau County Police Department . will be prepared to protect the public welfare of all those in Nassau County. The Department will, therefore, be available to provide assis*.ance with security at the Coliseum, and to facilitate traffic flow and parking at the Coliseum and its approaches. - I hope that an agreement can be reached promptly with the Nassau ~ County Chapter of the American Red Cross to formalize their relationship with the Coliseum for ita use by the Red Cross during any emergency, including a radiological accident at Shor m. Ver truly your , n
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OFFICE OF THE EXEcutivsf massau cov=vy r.macuveva sun.oi,.a oN s w est ste es, WIM EOLA. N. v. Itset December 31, 1984
/d /*A Dr. William J. Catacosinos Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Long Island Lighting Company
- 250 014 Country Road Mineola, New York 11501 .,
Dear Dr. Catacosinost . The article appearing in the Thursday, December 27th issue of Newsday appears to have raised some confusion with respect to the use of the Nassau Coliseum in the event O' of a radiological accident at the Slioreham Nuclear Power Plant. . In an attempt to clarify any misunderstanding, let me assure you that should such an accident occur, Nassau County Government will cooperate to the fullest in making all public facilities, including the Coliseum, available at Jan time. The health and public safety of the residents of Wng Island take precedent over any other activities that might be occurring within buildings of public assembly. I trust that the foregoing will leave no doubt in - anyone's mind as to our position in this matter. l Very truly yours,
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= =:: -: February 8, 1986 Dr. Richard Doremus, Superintendent Shoreham - Wading River Central School Dist.
Wading River, N.Y. 11786
Dear Dr. Doremus:
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has scheduled a Graded Exercise for February 13, 1986 to evaluate our emergency response plan for the Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant. This exercise will begin with a simulated incident at Shoreham which will require the activation of our Local Emergency Response ' O Organization (LERO) . The general public will not be asked to take any action, but your organization or facility may be contacted by an observer authorized by the Federal government to gather in-formation about how you would res7ond in the unlikely event of an actual radiological accident at Shoreham. You may be asked questions about how you would be notified, the emergency zone in which you are located, who you would contact for further information, the draft procedures for protective actions (e.g. , sheltering or evacuation) given you by LERO and your regular emergency plan and whether it has been exercised. Attached is a summary of the information that was provided to Please review it, and you during the emergency planning process. if ou have any questions about this material or the exercise, please cal _ Joan Wiggins at 516-420-6081. Very truly yours,
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bec: Messrs. C. A. Daverio - w/o Draft Plan W. F " O " " Attachment y, N. Christman Original
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Ms. J. M. Wiggins " " " Information Summary Sheet K. E. McCleskey Draft Protective Action LERO File i Implementation Plan Rev. O L764698
River Shoreham-Wadinboremus,CentralSchoolDist. Dr'. Richard Superintendent ~ n "Y 11786 O w 4t=s iv r Phone: (day) 929-8500 (Off hours) 549-0316 Tone Alert (3) 1095 1154 - 1119 h tters of Agreement Permission and Consent Tone Alert Radio 11/22/82 - #1095 11/22/82 - #1119 12/19/85 - #1154 Relocation Center To be arranged Training T/A Instructions - 11/22/82 Memo - 1/10/86 - Mr. Aidikoff Dr. Prode11 Meeting with School Administrators - 3/7/84 Emergency Plans Sample School Procedures - 3/1/84 Contact Meeting - Procedures for School Dist. Planning - 1/23
+ 1/30/85 Information Sent (brochures, pamphlets, procedures , etc.)
Emergency Planning - School, Faculty. The Shoreham Nuclear Power Station. Information About Shoreham & Emergency Planning. SNPS Local Off-site Radiological Emergency Planning. l School Dist. Radiological Emer. Protective Action Procedures (Draft). Radiological Emer. Preparedness Exercise Observations & l Evaluations. Testimony Dr. Richard Doremus on Behalf of LILCO - Contentions ! 24E, 24.F.2, 24.F.3, 24M, 61.C, and 69-71 (Schools Docket , 50-322-OL3 Mar. 21-84 P.I.D. April 17-85 Pages 324-55 l 3/16/84 3/7 Meeting Report, Response Diagrams & Sample Evacuation Plan Handout. l Q 3/28/84 Questionnaire for School Protective Action SOPS. L764699 E
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' 't EXH fb ' fff7 February 6, 1986 All LERO-Workers FEMA Graded Exercise As you know, participants in the February 13 graded exercise include those in a three shift LERO job who are assigned to Shift 1, all those in LERO field worker jobs and all LERO workers assigned to the Reception Center. The balance of LERO workers are back-ups for the exercise, and subject to call-out if the Shift'l person in their LERO job cannot participate for any reason on the day of the graded exercise.
Exercise Time Frame l Based on the only information FEMA would provide us on this subject, all LERO workers will be released by 7:00 p.m. at the latest on the 13th. FEMA will not provide us with any information relating to the drill starting time. Thus you could be called-out at any time after 12:01 a.m. on February 13. O Therefore, all pager holders must have a copy of their Pager Notification Procedure within reach at all times. Media Inquiries If you are approached by a reporter or other media person, direct them to the Emergency News Center at the Holiday Inn in Ronkonkoma. All media inquiries are to be handled at the ENC consistent with the emergency procedures. Lunch Lunch will be served at all facilities. Of course in a real emergency that involved a release of radiation, field workers exposed to the plume should not ingest food. For the purpose of this exercise field workers who are dispatched before the lunch hour will be provided with box lunches to take with them. FEMA has agreed that lunch can be eaten by all field workers irrespect'ive of the timing and location of any scenario " plume." Lease Agreements To minimize the possibility of distractions during the exercise, car lease agreements will not be provided at the staging areas. Rather, each LILCO department with LERO field workers is being sent sufficient lease agreements. These will be made avaglable on February 14 to all LERO field workers who reported to'their LERO job on the 13th. b 76 '4462
r_ ; O - With this letter rou will find two attachments which you should read carefully now. . Important Points to Remember reinforces some of the instructions and information provided prior to the two dress rehearsals. Information/ Instructions For Players is a FEMA document which gives you vital information about what to expect at the exercise. Copies of this document will also be handed to you at your LERO facility on the day of the exercise. The most important things you should remember for the exercise are to conduct yourself in a professional manner at all times, do your job thoroughly (and visibly so that the Observers and Evaluators know what you did). Remember, you don't have to have your procedures amorized. Refer to your procedures whenever you need to, particularly if necessary in order to answer a question posed by an Evaluator or an Observer. We feel very confident that LERO will perform better than ever on the 13th. We have all put a lot of work into it over the last couple of months. February 13 will be the day it will pay off. O Thank you again for your continued support and enthusiasm.
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- 1. If you are a Shift 1 LERO Pager Bolder you must have your peger on, and your Pager Notification Procedure with you at all times after 12:01 a.m. on February 13. *
- 2. If yoia are a Shift 2 or 3 LERO Pager Holder keep your Pager Notification Procedure with you at all times after 12:01 l a.m. on February 13. You may be called to serve as a l back-up respond.
caller in the event that the Shift 1 person does not
- 3. If you do not receive notification to report to your LERO job before you leave for work in the morning, you should follow your normal routine. For example, if you are an office worker you should report to your LILCO job location
- at your normal starting time and proceed with your normal job activities until notified to report to your LERO job.
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" Alert" la ul by telephone, and you are absolutely sure that an Alert has been declared, you do not need to wait for the O call .- Go ahead and report to your LERO location. However, '
make sure that the person who answers your phone in your absence knows that you already reported to LERO so that this information can be passed on to the LERO caller.
- 5. If you are a LERO Bus Driver, Traffic Guide, Road Crew, Evacuation Route Spotter, or you are assigned to the Reception Center at the Nassau Coliseum you are to report to your LERO location after a " Site Area Emergency" is declared. If you know the Site Area Emergency has been declared, go ahead and report to your LERO location.
However, make sure that the person who answers your phone in your absence knows that you already reported to LERO so that this information can be passed on to the LERO caller. CAUTION: Do not report to your Staging Area or the Reception Center at the Alert level. Wait until you are absolutely sure a Site Area Emergency was declared. If you have any questions about the exercise or your role in it, please call l at Extension before February 13. O l.,764466
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