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| Issue date: | 09/29/1986 |
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50-443 OL 50-444 OL PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY OF ONSITE EMERGENCY PLANNING NEW HAMPSHIRE, et al.
AND TECHNICAL ISSUES (Seabrook Station, Units 1 and 2)
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PORTSMOUTH, NEW HAMPSHIRE PAGES: 192 - 334 DATE:
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In the Matter of:
6 PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY OF Docket Nos. 50-443-OL NEW HAMPSHIRE, ET AL.
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Onsite Emergency Planning (Seabrook Station, Units 1 & 2 and Technical Issues 8
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Howard Johnson's Motor Lodge 10 Interstate Traffic Circle Salons A & B 11 Portsmouth, New Hampshire Monday, Sentember 29, 1986 12
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13 The Limited Appearance Session convened, 14 pursuant to notice, at 7:10 p.m.
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STATEMENT OF:
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ARMOND DeGRENIER 193 4
CONSTANCE WEEKS 197 5
LINDA HASKINS 198
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MARY SCHERER 201 6
SUZANNE BOIES 202 7
NORMA KOSKI 203 8
KARL HLUSKA 205 9
GERARD O'CALLAGHAN 210 10 JOHN KARDULAS 214 11 BURT COHEN 216 12 STATE SENATOR ROBERT PRESTON 218
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3 JUDGE WOLFE:
All right.
The evening limited 4
appearance session is now in order.
Judge Luebke will be 5
along directly.
We will proceed to hear from Armand 6
DeGrenier.
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ARMOND DeGRENIER 10 MR. DeGRENIER:
Gentlemen --
11 JUDGE WOLFE:
Will you spell your name please,
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13 MR. DeGRENIER:
My name is Armond DeGrenier, 14 D -e -G-r -e -n -i -e -r.
I live at 57th Street on Plum Island 15 In Newburyport, Massachusetts, 16 I am a health care worker.
Psychotherapist 17 by profession, in private practice, and a life long resident 18 of the region.
And spent the past 12 to 15 years in 19 Newburyport.
20 JUDGE WOLFE:
I forgot to advise that you have 21 five minutes for ycur limited statement, and we will give 22 you a minute warning.
23 MR. DeGRENIER:
All right.
Thank you.
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24 to you this evening to bring the matter of licensing the Ace-Federet Reporters, Inc.
25 nuclear power plant at Seabrook to a level of personal
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responsibility.
This is a matter of conscious.
You are V
2 authorized to act on this matter as delegated to you 3
by those who appointed you, and who in turn were appointed 4
by our elected representative, and as one citizen I am here i
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to tell you that I cast my vote -- and I tell you that no i
6 license is to be issued to Seabrook, because there is 7
no healthy way to run a nuke plant.
8 There is no economical way to run a nuclear power 9
plant.
There is no politically sane way to run a nuclear 10 power plant.
11 The people in whose actions of protast lie the 12 salvation of our region, our country, our world, post-13 Chernobyl, have said no, and are saying no, don't license 14 Seabrook, whatever the cost.
15 I am not concerned, nor are the people concerned 16 about cost benefit principles when it comes to the well 17 being, the health and the safety.
18 Our safety, our families, our friends, our l
19 neighbors, from Salisbury, Massachusetts to Chernobyl, 20 in the Ukraine, 21 The people have said no to closed meetings, and i
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here we are, we are speaking.
The people have said no to 23 the beginning.
The citizens themselves said no.
New O-24 Hampshire towns, Massachusetts towns, to town meetings and A c s rei n.poners inc.
25 city council hearings, have said no.
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f-j The people have petitioned in court, saying no;
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2 you will be hearing briefs, research studies, health and 3
environmental impact, reviews, need assessments, and 4
every time the people have done these, the answers have 5
always been consistently opposite to the nuclear industry 6
data.
At least seriously questioned.
We have said no 1
statistically hundreds of time.
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We have elected local state and national 8
9 representatives to make our position clear, no, to 10 Seabrook.
11 Nuclear power is a damned technology.
It is a 12 technology of death that was engendered in the military AU 13 laboratory.
It is the ultimate weapon.
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14 devastating, totally indefensible, and of course, 15 inexpensive.
Cost effective.
16 And as a byproduct of this massive amount of 17 heat generation, to generate power we say at any cost.
Since the military needs plutonium, wants plutonium, needs 18 19 high level radioactive waste to recylce into more weaponry.
20 You know it, we know it, everybody knows it.
21 We have seen this orientation of this technology 22 run away with the American conscience, and this is the 23 focus I of fer for your individual consideration.
O 24 You will vote whether to further this process.
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in the full light and in the full attention not only of your (e) s-2 superiors, but the people of the region, and the people 3
of the world.
4 You are being asked to okay an echological, 5
economical and political boondoggle.
The health, the 6
safety of the people of this region, the people of the world, 7
rise on your vote.
8 The health and safety of millions are at imminent 9
risk, in immediate danger.
You heard this afternoon one 10 of the -- a quote from one of the NRC commissioners.
There 11 could be an accident tonight.
Imminent danger.
There is 12 no place to hide.
O 13 When we speak of danger to millions, including 14 the unborn, we are speaking of genocidial prospective.
15 That is what we are talking about.
The fish, the birds, 16 the animals, the insects, are not safe.
They are being 17 sacrificed.
18 The electors of the many politicians who appointed 19 you, we are those elected.
And we are suffering from 20 depression, from -- we are suffering from anxiety already, 21 let alone living with what we know will come.
22 There are no safe nuke plants, even when they 23 are ope' rating normally.
Who else are we speaking to you?
24 We are the native, indiginous people who suffered Aso-Federd Reporters, Inc.
25 economically and in health and religious freedom from the
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genocidal aspects of the beginning of the nuclear fuel 2
cycle.
3 We are the people of big mountain.
We are the 4
builders of co-generators, who say we can build something 5
that is not dangerous.
We are your grandchildren, saying 6
stop grandf ather, stop grandmother.
What will the effects 7
be on us in the future generations?
8 We demand that you vote against the licensing 9
of this plant.
We demand that you vote your own American 10 patriotic conscience.
This hearing is specifically, and 11 I conclude, called to the attention of this onsite matter.
12 For my voice raises to remind you that when hundreds of (s) 13 thousands of people are at stake, and our concern.
There 14 is no distinction between onsite and offsite.
Every action 15 onsite has a reprecussion offsite.
What impinges on 16 Seabrook, impinges on the world.
17 Thank you.
18 JUDGE WOLFE:
Deborah Butcher?
Constance Weeks?
19 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 20 OF 21 CONSTANCE WEEKS 22 MS. WEEKS:
My nane is Constance Weeks.
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1 Nuclear plants are safe neither for people nor 2
other living things.
Their emissions and their wastes are 3
a threat to all life.
Until they can be guaranteed a hundred 4
percent safe to run, and until we learn a hundred percent 5
safe way of disposing of their waste, Seabrook must not be 6
allowed to operate.
7 As the Labor Day Weekend accident on I-95 8
demonstrated, there is no workable evacuation plan possible 9
for the seacoast region.
10 I urge you not to allow this plant to go on line.
Il Thank you, 12 (Applause) r3V 13 JUDGE WOLFE:
Linda Haskins?
14 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT IS OF 16 LINDA HASKINS 17 MS. HASKINS:
My name is Linda Haskins.
I spell 18 it Haskins, I live in Exeter, a town within the Emergency 19 Planning Zone.
20 Gentlemen, this morning I participated in the 21 proceedings and went home in the afternoon to my job and my 22 !
f amily, only to return again this evening because I must 23 respond to my conscious, which compels me to speak up on the J
24 lp dangers which the Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant represent.
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25 We are told that these proceedings are onsite
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hearings, for contentions filed by Interveners in the Official 2
Nuclear Regulatory Commission hearings prior to the issuance 3
of a low level licence to the nuclear reactor at Seabrook.
4 The law that calls for these proceedings also allows 5
me the right to speak, but does it provide that those of us 6
who speak cogigently today will be respected, reesponded to, 7
and headed?
8 There isn't time for me in five minutes to recon-9 struct the courge of my involvement in this issue.
What 10 feels important to me tonight is to tell you why I participate 11
-- my participation in the Federally regulated process has been 12 totally unsatisfactory to date.
7-O 13 As a resident of a town within the EPZ, I hpve 14 participated in local hearings in my down.
It is clear to 15 me that opposition to the nuclear power plant at Seabrook 16 crosses all boundaries of age, political affiliation, gender, 17 l ideology and occupation.
18 It is a fact that the only people who support a 19 nuclear reactor in my neighborhood whose people whose judgment 20 and integrity have been hopelessly altered by the awesome 21 power of a fat paycheck.
22 My select men and women in my down misunderstand the 23 authority that has been branted to them.
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plan They don't have approval of the plan The Governor
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of the State of New Hampshure is the only one wno has approval
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of the plans.
He submitted those plans before he asked us 3
whether or not we, in the neighborhood, in the emergency 4
planning zone, felt that that area could be evacuated.
5 Some of us have a delimma with that evacuation in 6
that we can literally not be in two places at one time.
7 As an educator, I am charged with the responsibi-8 lity of my students, and I am told in the plan that I am to 9
board a bus and follow my students to Manchester, in order 10 that they be safety tended and evacuated, while my own Il childen must be left to someone else 's care.
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Thut is a choice you must never ask me to make, and you l
Id l must never ask any thinking, caring person to make.
15 The reason why the evacuation plan is unsatisf actory 16 is that there can be no safe, orderly evacuation from the 17 power plant.
18 I listened to people speak earlier today who talked 19 about living between the ocean and the plant and the one way 20 road.
We could delineate all these things for you; in fact, 21 we have.
There is documentation after documentation of why 22 {
we feel the plan will not work, but we are here today to say 23 to you:
Please, it is in your hands to decide this. issue at g
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25 We do not want the nuclear power plant in our
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neighborhood.
We don't believe it is safe.
Please don't ask
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those who live in our neighborhoods.
It can 't be done, it 4
isn' t workable, it isn 't possible.
We need your help.
5 Please decide for the people, thank you.
6 (Applause.)
7 JUDGE WOLFE:
Michael Bower?
Jeanine Burns?
8 Bary Scherer?
9 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 10 op II MARY SCHERER 12 MS. SCHERER:
My name is Mary S-c-h-e-r-e-r.
My 13 hone is in Exeter, New Hampshire.
I am a' mother.
14 I appeal to you as I have appealed to our local and 15 s' tate government to listen to the people, to stop Seabrook 16 Station from going on line.
For health reasons, for 17 financial reasons.
Fbr the denocratic process, do not grant 18 a low level license for the Seabrook Station.
19 The democratic process has been taken away from the 20 Citizens of New Hampshure to accommodate the desires of a 21 private corporation.
Citizens are pitted against their local 22 government, and the local government, and the local governments 23 are pitted against our own state government.
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24 strong, and yet no one in our present government will listen.
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25 We have much to lose by this erosion of democracy,
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the most precious thing, our family and local community.
2 It is premature at this time to grant a low level 3
license for the owners of Seabrook.
Before contamination of 4
the site, it would be far wiser to wait and wee whether or 5
not the owners will receive a full power operating license.
6 Public Service has a history of putting ghe cart 7
before the horse, as seen by their decision to construct the 8
plant before determining the feasibility of the emergency 9
plan.
10 Granting a low level license at this point will only 11 allow you, the Board, to become a party to the shenaniganss 12 the Public Service has fostered on the citizens of New
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15 to the citiaens of New Hampshire by denying a low level 16 operating license for Seabrook Station.
17 We ask that you use your common sense and your 18 compassion to help us protect our children.
19 Thank you.
20 (Applause.)
21 JUDGE WOLFE:
You are from Exeter,-New Hampshire.
22 Suzanne Boies?
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Gentlemen, my name is Suzanne Boies,
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B-o-i-e-s, Atlantic Avenue, Northamphton.
3 I appreciate the fact that you are allowing us to 4
be heard.
I almost didn't come here, becauwse I hate fights, 5
and I am not willing to get arrested as I have a f amily to 6
take care of.
7 But I feel so strongly against Seabrook that I had 8
to come.
I am not a liberal against nuclear power.
I am 9
a conservative, a registered Republican and a New Hampshire 10 native.
11 I mm also a mother and a property owner in North-12 ampton, about three miles from the Seabrook Plant.
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15 Potential for human error is too great, both during 16 construction and operation.
People just aren't perfect.
17 Please, I beg of you, don't allow Seabrook to start 18 operating.
I want to live here the rest of my life, and:I 19 would like to have my children do the same.
20 Thank you.
21 (Applause) 22 JUDGE WOLFE:
Norma Koski?
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Yes.
It is K-o-s-k-i.
2 JUDGE WOLFE:
And you are from?
3 MS. KOSKI:
Deerfield, New Hampshire 4
I guess what I mainly came here to say is -- wait one second, 5
okay.
I am a mother of three myself, and I am try to teach 6
my children about responsibility, and being responsible for 7
your actions, and I can't even explain to them why you are 8
saying that there will be a nuclear power plant, which produces 9
nuclear waste, and we don't have anything ' to do with the 10 nuclear waste.
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actions.
I think we have to -- I am raising my kids in V
13 Deerfield we have to do without electricity, so I am not I4 paying for the plant monitarily, but I don't want to pay for 15 it with my life either, 16 And all the kids, all the seeds of anything to come 17 are here, right now on the earth.
They are all here in some 18 form, in the sperm, in the eggs, they are all here right now, I9 of every generation to come, they are here right now.
And 20 what we do right now is so important to all the future 21 generations.
22 And if you think of the earth as a body, you are 23 using uranium, coal, and oil, those are life the body's blood, O
24 and we are over here at one place taking out all of the blood Ace.Feder9 Reporters. Inc.,j 25 '
in the body, and we are taking the blood out in the form of
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uranium, and oil and all these things, and you know, here we 2
are injecting it with poisons, with -- talking about 3
repositories, injecting over here, and the body can't take 4
that.
5 You can't take all the blood out of something, and 6
then inject it with poisons, because it won't live.
7 And I guess I am just praying for the planet, and 8
for my kids, and also for you, because we could just get rid 9
of nuclear power, and then you could become the RRRC, or 10 something like this.
Renewable Resource Regulatory 11 Commission, and then you wouldn't have all this negative 12 energy.
I have reverence for all life, because I don't U
13 even wear leather, because I think all life has a right 14 to this planet.
'15 That is all I have to say.
No nukes.
16 (Applause) 17 JUDGE WOLFE:
Jim Dimmers?
18 FROM THE FLOOR:
Tomorrow night.
19 JUDGE WOLFE:
Karl Hluska?
20 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 21 OF 22 KARL HLUSKA 23 MR. HLUSKA:
My name is Karl Hluska, that is 24 H u-s -k -a.
I am from Durham, New Hampshire.
A lot of Ace-Federal Reporters, Inc.
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I but I would like to say a few things about the environment.
2 I don't have an environmental impact statement 3
for you, but I am an educated person, and I have attended 4
universities and have studied agriculture, and I was well i
5 aware of what radiation can do to genetic material, or what 6
radiation can do to birds and humans, and little amimals, and 7
grees and flowers.
8 And on the seacoast you have a great bay.
It is 9
one of the most f antastic estuaries in this country.
It is 10 just teeming with all sorts of wold life.
II I work outside, and you see it all the time.
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13 fly through the sky.
They are massive.
Th'ey'are slow, and 14 they are fast all at the same time.
15 They just have intense power, and showy egerts,
16 and corn rats, and seagulls, and all the life, all the fish, 17 that exists in this seacoast and it is a very special 18 environmental system we have here.
19 And I ask you not to grant low power testing license 20 to Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant, because of the great potential 21 ;
hazard.
It could contaminate the nuclear power plant, which 22 l i
could possibly cause its unavailability to be converted to 23 gy a safer energy form.
U 24 Most people are detached from the environment so Aco-Federal Reporters. Inc.
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They go to the supermarket and buy plastic food.
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Even the plastic foods, they don't realize what it takes to 3
grow.
How much chemicals, how much herbicide, how much 4
pesticides, how many poisons people put into this planet.
5 One more peison we don't need is radiation.
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can' t wash it of f.
It breaks down chemically in a few hours, 7
But it will destroy the food chain for humans, for all the 8
living organisms,
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9 People have the tendency to want to conquor nature, 10 and not try to work with it.
The Planet earth would be just 11 as well off if there weEe no people on it.
They are not 12 going to go away, so we have to deal with that as it is.
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13 But they can do their best not to rape the planet.
14 The nuclear industry promotes the rape of the planet.
It 15 promotes the mining of uranium.
It promotes the degradation 16 of people, by forcing us to come out here and yell and scream 17 and fight for our -- what is inherently our right to exist.
18 The pursuit of freedom and happiness and liberty.
You can't 19 do that with a nuclear shadow over you.
20 It is bad enough we have Pease Air Force Base and 21 atomic weapons right next door.
What happens when an air 22 force plane crashes into Seabrook?
Planes have crashed in 23 the past.
24 What happens when it has warheads in it.
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warhead crashes into that cement wall?
What is going to
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2 The people in New Hampshure spoke out against a 3
nuclear dump.
They don't want one.
And we don't want 4
to send waste to somebody else's back yard.
You don't 5
dump your trash in your neighbor's yard.
You don't empty 6
the oil in your car and pour it on your neighbor.
We don't 7
want to do that either.
The people in this State don't want 8
that.
I have a shall baby that was born in January, and I 9
don't want to see things happen to her, or her mother, or 10 of the other children.
11 I want to puruse a trade to work with wood in this 12 area, but if tht nuclear power plant goes on line, I have to Os 13
-- I am going to leave.
You are going to force us out of our 14 homes.
You have a responsibility as representatives of an 15 agency -- in the words of Gordon Humphrey -- a non-political 16 agency in this Government, which is debatable.
17 Look out for our welfare, not the welfare of people 18 with millions of dollars.
No one here has got millions of 19 dollars.
They don't have millions of dollars.
20 When do the rates go up?
What is going to happen 21 then?
It is not illusion; it is the truth.
The truth is 22 hard, and it is even harder to try to be responsible.
But 23 that is necessary.
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area, and life on this planet.
2 Thank_'you.
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JUDGE WOLFE:
Gerard O'Callaghan.
( w)2-2 Would you give your complete name and spell u
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GERARD O'CALLAGHAN 7
MR. O'CALLAGHAN:
My name is Gerard O'Callaghan, 8
O'-c-a-1-1-a-g-h-a-n, and I am a resident of Portsmouth, 9
125 Barton Street.
10 On this I understand that I am addressing the 11 NRC people; is that correct?
You people are the NRC 12 PeoP e; is that correct?
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MR. O'CALLAGHAN:
Well Jesus is the Lord.
15 16 How are you doing.
~ j I am here because I heard this thing was 17 18 going on tonight, and I am a Christian and an American j
19 and I believe in the United States' Constitution and the New Hampshire Constitution and in upholding the law and 20 r
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I know this is a republic and every government 21 ir fficial is sworn by oath under the Constitution on 22 affirmation to support the United States Constitution.
23 As far as the power plant goes, I am against
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I have been living up here for 25 10 years.
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these places are polluted and the fishing is no good 5
any more.
6 I came up here about 10 years ago and this 7
is a beautiful place to live.
S.when this thing started at the power plant 8
I couldn't believe it.
I have talked to a lot of old-g timers in the past 10 years, guys who are lobstermen 10 and fishermen and people of all walks of life, and 11 it comes up a lot of times and you hear it on TV, and 12 they are always against the power plant.
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'selves, 90 percent, the overwhelming majority is against the power plant.
There is no doubt in anybody's mind that nobody wants this thing.
And yet they proceeded with this thing continually against the people's will, and I know that the 11 representatives and the Congressmen are supposed to repre-12 sent us the people.
That is their job.
If they are C) violating this trust to serve private interests and private 14 organizations and private businesses, which I think 15 they are because the people have clearly voted against this 16 time and time again, then it is treason.
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water, 200 million gallons a second and I don't know, at j'}
2 some fantastic figure that they are pumping out into the 3
ocean which is going to raise the temperature, it is going F
4 to kill the fish when it comes out burning boiling water 5
at this fantastic rate.
6 And then they are talking about chlorinating 7
it, which I have been reading in the paper that originally 8
they said they wouldn't and now they are.
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what they are actually doing.
10 And also the fact that as far as electricity 11 goes, you have this power plant going on and everybody's 12 electric rate is going up, see.
Two times they have even said it on the news.
Nobody wants this thing,
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You will be failing and the Lord Jesus see these 17 things, and that is the most important thing.
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22 JUDGE WOLFE:
John Kardulas.
23 Would you spell your last name.
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JOHN KARDULAS 4
MR. KARDULAS:
K-a-r-d-u-1-a-s.
5 JUDGE WOLFE:
And you are from Portsmouth?
6 MR. KARDULAS:
Yes..
I would like to say that I am a Christian 8
also, and God has given people minds to use them or to 8
abuse them.
10 We have already had so many power plant 11 accidents just, oh, in Chernobyl already, and there shouldn' t 12 be a question of whether,this thing should be on or off.
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It shouldn't be on at all.
It is ridiculous.
If there 13 14 is ever an accident you people know and everyone knows 15 what is going to happen down there.
16 The people in this State don't even want it.
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So there is crime and corruption everywhere because 18 the love of money is the root of all evil, not to have 19 money, but the love of money is the root of all evil.
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21 is why we have wars for people's interests that are behind 22 their bonds and whatever and using people as pawns.
23 I mean people can be here and pleading with
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whose heart and whose breath is in his hands.
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the judgment throne of Christ and we are going to be 5
judged according to what we did on this earth, whether we helped our neighbor out or whether we polluted this 6
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Mr. Turk, would you bring up 11 the sign-in list on the table behind you.
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15 Michael Bower.
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MR. COHEN:
Thank you for the opportunity to 5
speak tonight.
6 My name is Burt Cohen.
I live in New Castle, 7
New Hampshire, and up until recently I was a candidate 8
for Congress from the 1st District of New Hampshire.
g We the people of New Hampshire insist on 10 retaining control over our own destiny.
Since the decision 33 of whether or not to allow low-power operation of the nuclear project at Seabrook is one which directly affects 12 ur lives and our future.
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It cannot be made without adequate 15 Participation by those citizens who live in this the 16 seacoast region and have legitimate concerns and objections.
37 I want to thank you for allowing the people 18 i
to speak after all.
j-19 aj The decision on low-power operation directly 20 3
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burdensome increasese in our electric bills to pay for conversion that would be much more costly,onversion c
to non-nuclear energy, more costly than if low power (1) nuclear operation ever occurs, and I think that has been 25
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established pretty clearly.
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Since the feasibility of conversion of the 3
Seabrook project ought to be considered thoroughly well 4
before any radioactivity is allowed to contaminate that 5
facility and since major questions to remain regarding 6
evacuation in the case of a nuclear accident, and since 7
the very process of low-power licensing has remained 8
less than adequately democratic considering the impact g
on all citizens of New Hampshire, therefore, I,.Burt-10 Cohen, must strongly object and oppose such a license on behalf of the citizens of New Hampshire.
11 The Commissioners must not act in haste, but 12 instead must proceed' slowly and with all due caution
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13 paying strict attention to all the negative implications 14 that the granting of a low-power operating license would 15 cause to the citizens of New Hampshire.
16 The Commissioners have a duty and an obligation 37 to resist the pressures of a private utility company 18 i
or quick licensing and must instead act on behalf of the 19 aj public good and deny the low-power operating license.
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22 JUDGE WOLFE:
Senator Robert Preston.
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STATE SENATOR PRESTON:
Thank you very much, 5
sir, for allowing me to speak, and I just say I commend you for allowing the public to be heard.
6 I don't think I will speak as sincerely as from 7
the heart as some of the young men that have appeared before 8
me.
9 But I guess as public official in this State, 10 State Senator or not, we are all under scrutiny and great 93 suspicion.
12 I
nce had a 12-year-old daughter who had a
( 7-)T 13 40-year-old father and 16 years later I have a 28-year-old 14 daughter, and I have since become a grandfather.
So we 15 have worried and weather a lot of years on this issue, 16 and I do speak to you from the heart when I say that I have g
served as a State Senator in the seacoast area for some 18 14 years.
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d speakers, and I have been called an anti-nuke kook, and I 21 E
wear a three-piece business suit, and I guess I am not supposed to speak against a nuclear plant, but I am here to tell that as a former President of the Chamber of C)
Commerce, as a former advisory member of small business, 25
219 r-Sim M-10 1-as a politician in New Hampshire that there are many mom
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and pop businesses in the area that are opposed to u.J 3
Seabrook Nuclear Plant and beg you to give great thought 4
before you make any decision to allow that plant to load.
5 (Applause. )
I am an infinitely patient person and I am 6
7 not a fist-pounding politician, but I have never, never 8
in my careere witnessed such a frustrating problem.
Never have I seen an issue that has been so politicized to benefit g
30 certain people.
I was an intervenor, but I was so overwhelmed 11 with requirements.
You must understand we are a little 12 different in New Hampshire.
As a State Senator I receive f) 13 v
a salary of $100 a year, we have no aids, and I make my 14 living selling real estate.
15 For me to comply with all the dates and 16 a
regulations was an impossibility.
I was overwhelmed and 37 nwI serve as an interested party and have to make room 18 for all the documents that I received and let along compre-g 39 aj hend them.
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public advocates, and you must understand that.
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I have detested the politization of this issue.
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of the Civil Defense Agency acting in our behalf and n(' )
2 we can document that.
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4 My experience is one of being half beaten 5
and burned out of a situation as I know some officials 6
of Public service on the other side have been.
7 For 16 years when I was President of the 8
Chamber of Commerce I was shown a proposal for a plant 9
that showed two canals going into a section of.Seabrook.
10 And I said what are those, and they said that is the 11 cold water and this is the hot water intake and we said 12 no way.
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13 Three years later when we have a State park 14 down on the seacoast where the property is very valuable 15 and it is all being developed and this was an area for 16 public use and it was a proposed 100 by 300 pumping station f
17 to be located in that building on that land, and we said 18 no way.
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are so frustrated in this issue.
This project and Public 20 s
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the scathing that they are getting tonight and any other 22 aight.
23 (Appl use. )
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tonight frankly because I am.not here to receive applause.
'3-I am running for election but I am going to be re-elected 2
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again anyway and it doesn't make any damn difference, but 4'
I want to express myself.
5 I have watched the legislative approaches 6
in the House and the Senate for a long time, and I have 7
seen things sneak through or attach to bills that have 8
been defeated on one side of the House or the other, and g
that just ain't proper the way we play the game here in 10 New Hampshire, but it has been done and we have caught 11 them at it and we just don't trust them.
.12 Now we see an effort to circumvent the people 13 that are included in the emergency zones within Massachusetts.
O 14 and it is called the Dukakis effort.
That ain't fair.
15 Seven out of 17 New Hampshire towns had a 16 Problem and they are being challenged because of their filing dates.
37 18 But.do you know what a two-mile radius includes I
g gg now that none of us have had a chance to really look at, but I drew a circle and it comes ot the edge of the marsh 20 l
in the Town of Hampton.
It doesn't include the public 21 E
high school nor the three elementary schools nor the 22 elementary school in North Hamptom, but it does circumvent 23 the boundary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
24 And some of these poor folks sitting in the back 25
'sim'i-13 222 here that we know so well from Hampton, they are totally 1
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the new zone.
4 I am just begging you as public officials, and 5
I respect the job that you are attempting to do, and I 6
know you take a lot of abuse in the positions that you 7
are holding, but we have no public officials in New 8
Hampshire, in the State House, in Concord, nor do we have 9
any gutsy federal officials that will stand up and say to 10 the people we are even listening.
11 And if you capitulate to a public service that 12 we are led to believe, and as objective as you might try
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13 to be, you will be hurting the people of New Hampshire 14 in not listening.
15 I implore you, there is not one day that we 16 don't pick up a paper that tells of the horrors and the 17 deals and we are going to sidestep through caucus, it just-18 is not fair.
19 I thank you for hearing us.
I have.never 20 demonstrated before in my life.
I have been to the last 21 two and I will be with these young guys that spoke ahead 2
of me as the grandfather in the three piece suit opposing 23 these efforts.
24 (Applause. )
Mi JUDGE WOLFE:
June Daigneault.
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MS. DAIGNEAULT:
It is with some skepticism 5
that I decided to speak before this Board.
I have been 6
involved in this issue in one or the other for several 7
years now, and I have found the NRC, and I think this 8
process to be somewhat restrictive, to be non-responsive, 9
but I do appreciate the chance to speak tonight.
10 I think that is an issue we have to keep 11 struggling with, and that is why I am here.
I think that 12 you have heard a lot of impassioned speeches today.
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People are in anguish around here, 14 and I hope that you will look beyond the signs, beyong the 15 slogans, the patriot songs and the loud noises you have 16 heard and listen to the substance of what people are saying 17 here tonight.
18 I think that it is very easy for the anti-19 nuclear label to get thrown at people and to discount what 20 they have to say.
I urge you to listen to the substance 21 of what we are here before you with tonight.
22 I am not what the Licensing Board or the NRC 23 would consider an expert.
I am a registered nurse, I am
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here since the turn of the century, and I think I am a
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Person with common sense, conern, a person who can read 3
and put two and two together to come to some reasonable 4
conclusions.
5 I am here tonight to talk about loading fuel 6
and granting the low-power license.
I think that there 7
are many reasons why this doesn't make sense, and I want 8
to address two of them.
9 First, I think that it is not a foregone to conclusion that Seabrook will ever open.
I think there 11 is some doubt whether the plant will ever be licensed, 12 and I think it is unconscionable to load nuclear fuel n
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13 in that reactor core and start a nuclear reaction when 14 the thing may never operate.
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l 15 16 We have a situation in Shoreham where the 17 plant has been ticking away at five percent power for 18 a few years now, and what is going to happen to that?
19 Governor Dukakis in Massachusetts does not 20 feel that people can be safely evacuated, and there is 21 much opposition elsewhere to this evacuation plan.
People 22 don't think that it will work.
23 If the license, the final license is denied-()
24 and the plant has been allowed to operate at five percent 25 and the fuel has been loaded, then we are going to be left w
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host of problems that we won't have if the fuel is not 4
loaded.
5 It just goes against the grain of Yankee 6
common sense and frugality to set up a monster like this 7
when you don't know if it is ever going to generate a 8
single kilowatt of power.
It is what we Yankees would 9
call putting the cart before the horse.
10 I think a second reason is if you cannot 11 evacuate, then you do not contaminate.
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13 Although I would agree with those people who 14 say in the analogy to Chernobyl, and Chernobyl was running 15 at five or six percent power, I agree that if this plant 16 were to start at low power there would not be the amount 17 of contamination initiallp, but I think it is a matter 18 of degrees, and there is no guarantee that at five percent 19 if there was an accident, there is no guarantee that there a
won't be an accident, and if there is, then how are we 21 to get out of here?
22 We in New Hampshire have faced a very tragic --
23 we have had a very tragic brush with technology in the
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24 State this year, a very tragic brush with human error.
2 The Space Shuttle went down with one of New Hampshire's
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citzens on it.
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2 I think we all had had a great faith in the 3
technology and the quality control of NASA.
Myself, it 4
had been such a common thing for these space flights to 5
go up that we never questioned NASA's quality control and 6
NASA's ability to carry this thing off.
7 And, yet, as we looked into the sky on that 8
day there was a burning fireball, and that was in spite 9
of all of the quality control and all the technology.
10 I want to close and ask you people of the 11 Atomic Safety and Licensing Board at the NRC, NASA thought 12 they had good quality control, NASA was sure and we were n)
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13 all sure that NASA could do it.
Do you have greater 14 infalibility than NASA?
Can you guarantee that there will 15 never be an accident?
16 Thank you.
17 (Applause.)
18 JUDGE WOLFE:
Gary Lennix.
19 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 20 OF 21 GARY LENNIX 22 MR. LENNIX:
Hello.
I am Gary Lennix, and 23 I am from Wells, Maine.
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24 I am one of thousands of people that have been 25 arrested for participating in civil disobedience against
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nuclear power plants.
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What I am about to read is a statement I 2
3 just made just a few weeks ago at the District Courthouse 4
to testify in my trial.
5 On May 24th, 1986 I was at the gate at 6
Seabrook Station to prevent the plant from ever producing 7
nuclear energy.
8 Some of the reasons I find nuclear power to e
be unacceptable are as follows:
The fuel to operate nuclear 10 power plants is obtained often from South Africa or from 11 lands in which native people have been driven from.
12 When the plants are operating properly, there n
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is still much radiation which is released in the atmosphere 13 which cau's'es much illness and early deaths.
After the 14 15 plant has been running, there is then the problem of nuclear 16 waste, some of which is used to produce nuclear weapons 17 and the remainder we still do not know how to dispose of 18 properly.
19 This waste will be with us for thousands of 20 years with the potential of major contamination always 21 present.
A practical evacuation plan is impossible.
People 22 make mistakes.
Therefore, the real possibility of a major u
accident or meltdown which could kill thousands of people
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24 and make many more thousands extremely ill and leave a portion 25 of our planet uninhabitable for hundreds of years.
228 4~
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producing electricity.
People have been working hard for over a decade to ensure our safety, and at this time I have 3.
-now decided to take the very serious action of civil 4
disobedience.
5 I am'not a criminal.
I stand here today with 6
great pride.
I know my sincere beliefs and actions are
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7 absolutely the right thing to do.
I know most people when 8
given all the information support the elimination of all 9
nuclear power plants worldwide.
10 People all over the world are now in the 11 process of re-evaluating nuclear energy and closing plants.
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13 Seabrook Station must never be loaded with 8
'14 nuclear fuel and allowed to go to low-level testing.
15 (Applause.)
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As we know from the accident at Chernobyl which 17 was operating at 7 percent, the risks are unacceptable.
18 Therefore, I representing my family, friends and all people, 19 including those not born yet ask you, Your Honor, to make 20 a very courageous decision today.
I ask you as the
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n I ask you to refuse the license for low-level teswting.
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Elizabeth Weinhold.
3 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 4
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ELIZABETH WEINHOLD 6
MS. WEINHOLD:
My name is Elizabeth Weinhold.
7 I am a Hampton resident.
I am also presently Vice Chairman 8
of the Hampton Municipal Budget Committee, but I am speaking 9
here as an interested resident of Hampton.
10 I thank you for opening these hearings for 11 our public input, and I just want to say, and this is going 12 to be'a few minutes, that since 1971 I have been actively 13 involved in these Seabrook licensing hearings.
e 14 Way back then my original contentions were 15 evacuation in case of a nuclear accident, an'd the earthquake 16 design of the containment structures.
17 After I filed my contentions with the NRC 18 in 1974, the NRC ruled that Public Service Company should 19 upgrade the earthquake design of the nuclear units to 3
20 withstand an intensity 8 instead of an intensity 7 earth-21 quake, and to build cooling towers as a backup emergency i
22 system.
23 My expertise in that field was none, except
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25 own New Hampshire State Library and from the USGS document
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,n(j This is what has always concerned me.
Why was I able to easily uncover these government publications, but the Public Service Company wasn't?
Throughout the State siting hearings and the nuclear permit hearings intervenors have introduced many concerns.
Most have been responded to by the NRC and changes were made for the better and others have been ignored.
We have been regarded as idiots by many people, whereas the builders of the nuclear units have been 10 regarded as geniuses.
Governor Sununu has stated that the Seabrook 12 Nuclear Units are the safest of any built to date.
I will agree with that statement, but it is us intervenors who have improved the design of the Seabrook Nuclear units by at least 50 percent.
Our own common sense has done this, and our own concerns have upgraded the design of the units.
Plymouth,
Massachusetts has oen of the worse nuclear units around 19 because nobody cared to intervene at that time.
Now they are beginning to look at it.
It is only designed I believe to withstand an intensity six earthquake.
I am quite certain that you are probably just A
bored with'most of the statements being made today, and y/
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be part of the record.
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2 May I state that everyone who has spoken here 3
today is a human being and will be living around the. plant.
4 They are concerned about what will happen to them in case 5
of an accident.
6 Three Mile Island and Chernobyl has opened 7
up many eyes and has shown that human error is a possibility 8
that NRC and PSC cannot guard against.
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the evaucation plan for the Seabrook Nuclear Unit should 10 be in perfect working order before you can possible given gi PSC a low power operating license.
It is like putting 12 the cart before the horse.
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Regarding evacuation plans, I have been. reading 13 14 the revised edition that just came out last week.
The 15 Hampton report states that all of Hampton will go to 16 Dover.
The Town of Manchester Host Report states that 17 -
Hampton Beach will be going to Manchester.
Now that is a 18 little discrepancy right there that I am sure will be 19 brought up at the hearings.
20 This is one of the reasons why so many people 21 are beginning to speak up.
They want a save evacuation 22 in case of an accident.
They don't believe that they won't 23 be radiated any more, not after Chernobyl.
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24 Recently, as you are aware, towns have been 25 dismissed from participating at the evaucation hearings.
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7 public hearing to get public input on whether or not a
to spend an additional 10 to 20 thousand dollars for intervention at the evacuation hearings.
4 We really shouldn't have to spend any money as a town.
These plans should be in perfect working order before they should have even been submitted to the NRC.
8 Our Governor was in a hurry to get the plant on line.
So he just put together a plan that looked good on paper but is not workable.
Now the PSC is even trying to reduce the
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I EPZ zone to about one to two miles around the station, 13 and I am glad to hear that even Governor Sununu isn t' - '
buying that one.
I urge you to withhold the low-power licensing until all the evacuation issues have been resolved, and I thank you for opening this up for public debate.
(Applause.)
JUDGE WOLFE:
Mr. Turk, is there another sign-in list there.
(NRC Counsel Turk handed the list to Judge Wolfe.)
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Reoresentative Hollingworth.
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BEVERLEY HOLLINGWORTH~
4 MS. HOLLINGWORTH:
Thank you.
I am Representative 5
Beverly Hollingworth.
I am representing Hampton, Hampton 6
Falls.
7 I have been a resident of Hampton most of my. life, 8
more than 40 some odd years, closer to 50.
I'm here tonight, 9
very tired, like the rest of my people who have been working 10 on this issue.
11 We have paid the NRC salaries to protect us.
We 12 have paid Public Service Company employees --
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-- and we are being denied the 15 right to have our own lawyers in our home community represent 16 us in our evacuation.
There is a great move afoot to be 17 heard next Thursday to deny our legal counsel for one of 18 the remaining towns to bring up contentions before this 19 Board.
20 We have, as a representative, over 65 representa-21 tives of the State of New Hampshire appeal to the Governor 22 of the State of Massachusetts because we felt that our own 23 Governor, our own civil defense, our own Attorney General O
24 could not, and would not, represent the needs of our Ace-Federot Reporters, Inc.
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People have said from their hearts.
They really truly believe 4
that Seabrook is not safe.
They really truly believe that 5
there is no safe evacuation plan.
I believe that as well.
6 I have been a business woman in this community, and I have seen the people who built that plant.
I have seen 7
l them go to work and come home from work drunk.
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I also have seen the traffic 15 backed up for hours on end, unable to move.
And, the 16 Governor of the State maintains that on a rainy day everybody can leave the seacoast.
He fails to count the hundreds of 37 thousands of people who are in the rooms, in their cottages, 18 19 in their hotels that don't leave because it rains, because they happen to be residing in those establishments.
- And, 20 21 therefore, those hundreds of thousands are not evacuating 22 on a rainy day.
They are there.
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2 believe this is a political body.
And, I believe that this 3
desire for Public Service Company to request a low start-up 4
fuel is politically motivated.
And, I'm asking you not to 5
be part of it.
6 The only reason Public Service Company wants that 7
low level start-up is they are frightened to death that John Sununu will not be Governor come election day.
8 (Applause.)
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10 11 decision for you.
There is no reason why that low level 12 should start up now, absolutely none.
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13 in view of the problems that exist.
14 In fact, today we know that the conditions --
15 that nuclear accidents should be increasing, not decreasing 16 it.
And, yet you have Public Service requesting a two mile i
limit.
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19 MS. HOLLINGWORTH:
We have also have the numbers 20 decreasing in the area.
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coming to the people for their cooperation.
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Safety and evacuation should 15 16 have been first, siting second.
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I appeal to you now to break 18 j9 that ridiculous trend, to stand back from this nonsense and do not go forward with this until you are sure that these 20 People, my people, my families and your families and all of 21 the people of this seacoast and this state and this country i
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That's Congressman Smith.
He wanted his name 9
to be put on the list, and he wanted it communicated to you 10 that he thinks you are-just doing a bang-up job and he can't 11 wait until the thing gets on line.
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15 JUDGE WOLFE:
Patricia Skibbee, Byfield.
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Yes.
Pat Skibbee, S-k-i-b-b-e-e.
20 I am from Byfield.
Byfield is a part of the Town of Newbury, 21 Mass., within the 10-mile radius.
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Manhattan Project of the Atomic Energy Commission and the 4
fact that that situation was a promotion of the peaceful 5
uses of nuclear technology to justify development of nuclear 6
weapons.
Many of the scientists who worked on the Manhattan 7
Project were more than promised that their discovery would 8
be used in wartime, yes, but then would further be used to 9
10 fulfill promises of better civilization for people through 11 cheap and almost free nuclear energy.
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The cost of this P ant, the cost of waste disposal, the cost of decommission-l 15 ing, the projected cost increases given by Public Service 16 itself has shown that this power will be extremely expensive 17 and will be an economic hardship to all of the investors and 18 j9 the ratepayers.
The current NRC is simply an inheritor of all this 20 Previous history.
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planning.
4 Now, we have had TMI.
Now, we have had Chernobyl.
5 More people are listening.
But, of course, the problem is 6
now that the plant is virtually complete.
The money has 7
been spent.
The money has been invested.
Now, it has to 8
be paid back.
9 This makes a very difficult situation for you.
10 Should we put good money after bad?
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'you folks have the personal fortitude to stop a bad job now, 13 to not put more good money after bad?
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It's going to make it worse.
15 We should stop now before much worse harm is 16 done.
It will take very much bravery and personal determina-17 tion on your parts to do this.
But, if you don't have that, 18 if you can't say no, then these hearings are just what a 19 lot of people cynically believe, that these hearings are 20 hearings in form only.
21 (Applause.)
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5 MS. SKIBBEE:
We ask you tonight to please have 6
the personal morals, ethics and the personal integrity and 7
bravery that you need to say no now to a very bad business.
Thank you.
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My name is Lisa Starkweather.
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S-t-a-r-k-w-e-a-t-h-e-r.
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18 19 MS. STARKWEATHER:
That's correct.
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night, five nights a week.
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nights off, but I feel that it's important enough for me 7
to be here.
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I feel like 17 I have put myself in a position of constantly working for 18 j9 peace and the security of our plant.
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that, please, do not'take our lives lightly.
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okay, maybe you are stretching it out of proportion.
I don't think so.
Look at Chernobyl.
Look at Three Mile Island.
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Hey, we are dealing with something here that 16 we do not understand.
17 And, I feel -- I was just wondering whether you 18 are really listening to me or tuning out.
19 (Applause.)
20 JUDGE WOLFE:
Now, you were saying you felt some-21 thing or you feel but you didn't tell us what.
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the oceans raising.
I'm basically concerned and I'm-here 6
because I'm a mother.
I have a nine-year old, and I don't 7
want this place to open.
8 So, I'm not going to stand up here and continue this.
I just want you to know that I say no.
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10 hope that you take my life and my child's life and the people 11 that I love into consideration.
When you take the heavy 12 weight of this onto your shoulders just consider us.
O 13 And, I would like to say something to you in the ja form of a song.
And it just says:
Give me the warm powers of 15 the sun.
Give me the steady flow of the waterfall.
Give 16 me the spirit of the living things as they return to play.
L7 Give me the restless power of the wind.
Give me the comfort-18 ing glow of the wood fire.
But, please take all your atomic 19 poison power away.
20 Please say no.
21 (Applause.)
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Henry Dumaine.
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My name is Henry Dumaine.
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3 JUDGE WOLFE:
How do you spell your last name, 4
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5 MR. DUMAINE:
D-u-m-a-i-n-e.
It rankles me when we 6
have headlines in the newspapers from the utility that wants 7
their license saying we have 130 million dollars and the plant 8
will go on line.
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12 The horror stories go on and on.
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15 MR. DUMAINE :- Besides, when they poured the 16 concrete in that containment, it was several degrees below 17 freezing, several degrees.
And, concrete doesn't form well 18 when you have cold weather.
I would'like you to look into 19 that.
20 The welds have been a problem in that.
- And, 21 misaligned -- we haven't heard anything about what happened 22 to the misaligned girders that are in the containment vessel.
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4 Please, until you can, in your hearts, know that 5
this is a good operation, don't let them put any low power 6
into that plant.
7 Thank you.
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16 I suggested to them, and I will suggest to you, 17 if you have your pencil handy, to write to Mr. James Taylor, 18 Director of Inspection and Enforcement, Nuclear Regulatory 19 Commission, Washington, D. C.
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digging of the tunnels.
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go down in that tunnel daily.
He said he wouldn't go down 5
there, probably once a week or fewer times.
That was told 6
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7 JUDGE WOLFE:
Well, any such incidents that you 8
have firsthand knowledge of, write to Mr. Taylor.
9 Thank you.
10 (Applause.)
11 JUDGE WOLFE:
We will have a ten-minute recess.
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14 JUDGE WOLFE:
All right.
The limited appearance 15 session is resumed.
16 State Representative Barbara Hildt.
17 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 18 OF 19 BARBARA HILDT 20 MS. HILDT:
Good evening.
Thank you very much 21 for giving this important opportunity for the public and 22 other interested parties, elected officials such as myself, 23 the opportunity to come before you and offer some testimony.
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license before the evacuation questions are resolved.
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22 You know from your own source term studies why 23 those regulations were made.
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that 10 mile limit.
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zone to two miles, namely New Hampshire Yankee and the owners, 7
have claimed through a revelation of a study that'they com-8 missioned that because the containment structure at Seabrook 9
is somehow exceptionally strong that there would be a reduced 10 risk at Seabrook, and that the NRC should consider reduction 11 of the EPZ, because they claim that no accident would allow 12 a breach of containment and the kind of release that your 13 source term studies have indicated.
I 14 I would just like to remind you that the American 15 Physical Society did studies and evaluations and concluded, 16 most importantly -- and I don't have the statement before me 17 to quote from, but I've read it many times before -- and 18 that is that the strength of containment structures of our 19 nuclear power plants is perhaps the fact that is most in 20 question, that we really cannot determine what the strength 21 is.
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consciences in this very difficult role.that you have to 7
determine whether Seabrook should be licensed at any level Of Power, not to grant a reduction of the emergency planning 8
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17 And, I hope that the NRC will conclude that it is 18 never going to be safe or realistic to license Seabrook.
19 Thank you.
20 (Applause.)
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Robert Burke.
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like to restrict testimony and so forth and concerns on.
3 I think with respect to the environment, the 4
quality of the electrical equipment and the safety procedures, 5
that you are concerned with, I think the area should be 6
expanded to recognize certain things that maybe scientists 7
have not apprised themselves of.
The environment can change 8
rather radically in the areas that I think in particular would be:
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10 the plant, what effect does super heat have on the law of l
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I think 14 you need to go beyond the normal elements that you conceive 15 of, because we are in a period of great stress in our plate 16 systems with respect to the geology here.
We are on an eastern area of a fault line.
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My name is David Mcdonald, and I'm 12 the Civil Defense Director of the Town of Rye.
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First, I would like to thank the Board for this opportunity to offer the town's position.
j7 The Town of Rye is not in agreement with the State 18 j9 of New Hampshire or the utility building Seabrook Station with respect to emergency planning.
We have offered suggested 20 impr vements to the New Hampshire Civil Defense Agency which, 21 if implemented, would make the plans acceptable to the town, 22 and those proposals have been rejected.
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five percent power or full power, until all of the issues 5
surrounding emergency planning have been resolved to the 6
satisfaction of the civilian citizen population within the 7
10-mile EPZ.
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of the reasons why we feel that way.
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11 planning make no provision -- there is no standard in the 12 rules -- describing doshge limits to the general population.
13 Of the 16 standards, there is none that prescribes a maximum 14 allowable dose to members of the public.
15 And, that is the basis of our objection.
It is 16 the conviction and the sense of the town that operation at 17 even five percent of power can produce circumstances that 18 would require emergency response.
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7 I am totally unprepared to speak tonight.
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found out a few hours ago that we had this opportunity to 9
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16 Thank you.
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18 JUDGE WOLFE:
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3 My. f ather was an electrical engineer, and in 19 42 4
he received his Masters Degree from NYU, and I was in the 5
Kindergarden and he introduced me -- we lived in East Orange, 6
New Jersey, and he introduced me to Mrs. Thomas Edison, my 7
hero from General Electric.
8 In 19 45 I was at Andrews Air Force Base when the 9
atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.
My uncle was Brigadier 10 General Kennedy, who was in charge of the Anti-aircraft 11 defense of Washington, D. C.
12 In 1954 I took my first chemistr'y course, and my 13 chemistry teacher, Mrs. Clark, was opposed to nuclear power.
14 She had an interesting idea about separating the hydrogen from 15 oxygen in water, and I asked my father about that, and he 16 said:
Frank, I don't believe nuclear power is the true end 17 that we should be seeking.
The earth is going to run out 18 of gasoline some day.
19 The pepole at General Motors can build a car that r
20 will get fif ty miles per gallon, but they won' t.
And I was 21 a teenager 18 years old at that time, and I was thinking what 22 does this old man know about anything?
23 I have written a letter to"the editor of the Ports-24 mouth Herald on the 23rd of Septemb er 1986, in which I say:
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When Jefferson
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If given the choice between a free press or a free
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2 democracy, I would choose a free press.
3 Every day in New Hampshire you are reminded to live 4
free or die.
We are the beneficiaries of many free newspapers.
5 These papers will print almost anything anyone wishes to say.
6 On the question of liberty, John Steward Mill 7
once said:
We once had - a free market place of idea, a place 8
where one can say anything how prof ane or stupid.
The idea 9
will meet its test and be accepted or rejected on its merits.
10 He wrote these words while in self-imposed exile in 11 France.
He was opposing the tax placed on mailing newspapers 12 in Britain.
So much for freedom and liberty.
-13 I sent copies to our Senators and Congressman.
14 The Portsmouth Herald published my second letter, 15 which I said:
There is a question of cost which is brought 16 up from time to time in relation to the Seabrook Power 17 Facility.
18 We are reminded that General Electric Company ran 19 an add in the '50 's, explaining that by the 19 70 's, energy 20 in the world would be free in the United States.
21 The only place in the world today where it is free 22,
is Saudia Arabia.
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One could ask PSNH who it sold its 24 l downtown facility when it could have used it to harness one
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2 Massachusetts and see a demonstration of the use of water 3
power.
4 This technology dates back to the 18th Century.
5 If Seabrook becomes nuclear, how much will it be sold for 6
seventy-five years hence.
7 Thank you for listening to me.
8 (Applause.)
9 JUDGE WOLFE:
Elaine Mazgelis?
10 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 11 OF 12 ELAINE MAZGELIS 13 MS. MAZGELIS:
My name.is Elaine Mazgelis.
I am 14 from Lowell, Massachusetts.
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JUDGE WOLFE:
Would you spell your last name, 16 please?
17 MS. MAZGELIS:
M-a-z-g-e-1-i-s.
I am here to 18 express my concern about the possible devastation that could 19 result from continued operation of nuclear power plants.
I 20 believe that they are not safe, and that evidence is over-21 whelming that this is true.
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The purpose of our lives on earth is to serve God 23 and to serve man.
To serve man, we must do good to one 24 another, tnad that means several things.
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responsibilities, for the results of our decisions and 4
actions.
5 We must strive to do what is best for each other, 6
and to help one another with as much love as we can.
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person, by his or her own humaness, has this responsibility.
8 You, as our decison-makers, have a very special 9
job of choosing for many, many people.
The simple truth is that nuclear plants are not 10 11 completely safe, and therefore they do not exist as an 12 option for safe energy.
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13 There are safe alternatives, such as solar energy, 14 and I pray that you will take your responsibilities seriously 15 to do what is best for all.
16 Thank you.
One other thing I would just like to 17 add is that there have been several prophesis that there may 18 be some sort of nuclear disaster, and if this occurs, it will 19 be in order to purify some of the -- the world of some of the 20 evil that is present, and I think that knowing this, we should 21 take our responsibility even more seriously and try to prevent 22 it.
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DEIRDRE DONCHIAN 6
MS. DONCHIAN:
Good evening.
My name is 7
Deirdre Donchian.
Do you want me to spell that?
8 JUDGE WOLET:
Would you spell that, yes?
9 MSS. DONCHIAN:
D-e -ir-d-r-e D-o -n -c -h -i -a-n.
10 JUDGE WOLFE:
And you --
11 MS. DONCHIAN:
I live in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
12 I have been in the area for about ten years now, and in the g,
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13 course of that time, I have known a number of men who have 14 worked on the Seabrook Plant, building it.
15 It is very disturbing to me hearing the stories 16 they have thold and indicated on the shortcuts of building 17 Seabrook, and that they go down there and work and take half 18 the day off and sit around and do nothing because they got 19 paid for doing nothing.
20 That concerns me a lot in sort of the manner in how 21 things are made in America at times, but I think it is very 22,
telling to say this is Seabrook Station, and it is man nade, 23 and therefore, it is fallible.
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I feel Chernobyl is just a mild warning for us on 2
this world.
We have not only the responsibility to our 3
community, but to the world at large when we deal with 4
nuclear power and nuclear weapons, and the waste problems 5
and the evacuation problem is also a concern of mine.
They 6
have been addressed very elegently here this evening already.
7 I just want to add my support to that, too.
8 We as human beings have a great power, in that we 9
are able to choose and make rationale decisions, and I would 10 like to encourage the NRC not to license Seabrook.
I think 11 it is potentially very dangerous to continue to encourage 12 nuclear energy.
7sO 13 I would like to see all that effort 'and money and 14 power go to some alternative energy plans and reseacch.
15 I don't think one energy is necessarily the answer 16 for this world.
Perhaps there many in combination that will 17 be the answer.
I think nuclear energy is an incredibly 18 dangerous power that we have the choice of controlling of 19 letting run rampant to destroy us.
20 Thank you.
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Thank you.
My name is Dr. Colin
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3 JUDGE WOLFE:
How do you spell your name.
Is that 4
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5 DR. SUPPLE:
C-o-1-i-n, and the family name is, 6
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7 I am a Ph.D counseling psychologist.
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clinical psycho-therapist.
I live in Hampton Falls, and as 9
you know, only 'about two miles from the plant, and have been 10 there for several years through its construction.
11 I am here then as a person and a professional to 12 say soms very brief convictions.
13 It is very hard for professionals to talk to these 14 issues because we are dealing with the issue of confidentiality 15 at all times with our patients and clients, and I just came 16 came here from my of fice, so I don't know what you have heard 17 before, so I will just say my piece and be brief.
18 Through the years I have heard many friends talk 19 about themselves working there and their family members, and 20 the deficits in construction management, but I am mostly 21 concerned here with the-issue of alcohol and drugs through 22 the years.
We are in a drug culture and, of course, a big 23 place like that with all of the employees is going to have l
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I can.
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Is there a public record?
Does the 6
NCR, do they deal with what happens when people of high' 7
level jobs are involved with drugs?
If a quality engineer 8
or a master craftsman is involved with drugs, is there a 9
record of the drugs?
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I would like some answers on this.'
14 It's a very heavy concern of mine through the years.
15 There are a lot of people, speaking as a therapist 16 in the area, who are depressed and anxious to several degrees 17 about this.
They feel, for whatever their reason, that 18 something like cancer, they have no control and choice, or 19 a democratic vote over it.
20 And, when you hear stories like this over the 21 years from many sources, not just mere hearsay, people at 22 your home who say:
I worked there.
I've worked in the 23 tunnel.
I've done this and da-da-da.
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And I'm very, very upset.
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5 DR. SUPPLE:
Unless anybody misunderstand me, I 6
am mixing up my information about the source of these questions from my friends and generic clients so that I am in 7
8 no way alluding to confidentiality professionally in any way.
9 But, I know a medical doctor, a friend of mine, 10 who spoke at a public meeting and said he had hundreds of 11 files of people involved with this kind of drug abuse and i
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It worried him to death.
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15 So, I ask this Commission, can you give us some 16 relief in this way?
Some information?
We are intelligent 17 Pe0P e.
We need to democratically be involved and control l
18 our lives.
19 Also, what happens to the drugs?
If they are 20 fired, what record is there of drugs?
Somebody must know.
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Doctor, do you have a piece of 2
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I can get one I think.
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to breach any doctor / patient confidentiality, but it would 6
seem to me that if you have any firsthand knowledge outside 7
of what your patients have told you, that there has been any 8
problem at Seabrook, I,
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And, his title, please?
13 JUDGE WOLFE:
He is the Director of Office of 14 Inspection and Enforcement.
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For whom, sir, is he with?
16 JUDGE WOLFE:
And this is the Nuclear Regulatory 17 Commission.
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H, as in Harry?
21 JUDGE WOLFE:
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Harry, H Street, N. W.,
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3 DR. SUPPLE:
Thank you.
I would just like to say 4
this in brief -- that this is public knowledge also, that 5
the very intensive security system that the Public Service 6
has, of course, at a big place like Seabrook also has 7
private consultants that I know -- for example, I have read 8
about it, heard about it, that they have dogs and they go out 9
at night, and they would have to and so forth.
10 What happened when these dogs come in with some 11 drugs?
What's the procedure?
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But, maybe somebody could give me information, and 14 that's not exactly privy stuff.
That's.public dope.
15 JUDGE WOLFE:
You write your letter to Mr. Taylor.
16 DR. SUPPLE:
Thank you for listening to me.
17 (Applause.)
18 JUDGE WOLFE:
Is there anyone else that hes;not 19 signed in that wishes to make a limited appearance statement?
20 JUDGE HARBOUR:
It's not necessary to sign up.
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MS. MORRISON:
My name is Gail Morrison.
I live 5
in Salisbury, Massachusetts.
I live right on the beach in 6
Salisbury, and I can see the plant from my house.
7 I am a math teacher; I'm a mother.
I ' vf3 lived 8
there at the beach for 15 years.
And, within that 15 years 9
I've seen the beach grow from a summer resort population to 10 practically a year-round population.
Right now, when I 11 look around in the winter I see many homes light up around 12 my house.
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They used to wait at the bus by themselves, 15 and now there are other children that wait at the bus with 16 them.
We are not a resort area.
17 I see the summertime come, and I sit on my deck 18 and I watch the traffic that does not move.
I watch with 19 other people who aren't going off the beach, but I watch 20 them watch the traffic that does not move.
So, there are 21 many people that are not leaving the beach at the same time.
22 The process usually takes anywhere from one in 23 the afternoon until 7-or 8 at night.
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people talk and say a lot of the same things that you 3
probably get a little tired, which we all are.
And, perhaps 4
some of the minds on the Boards are made up, which makes it 5
even a little more difficult to listen and be tired, knowing 6
what you already think or you may know already.
7 But, I ask that you remain as open in your minds 8
and in your heart as you possibly can.
And do as much 9
research as you can, on your own, because not all of the 10 information that is presented.to you when you go to Washington 11 or somewhere else may not be always presented in a non-plant 12 point of view.
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14 I am a survivor of cancer.
And, I didn't know I would get 15 cancer.
I don't know how I got cancer.
But, it was very 16 unexpected, as it is for anyone who gets cancer.
And, I 17 know that many, many more people will have a very much higher i
I risk of cancer and die from cancer if the plant goes on line.
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Carol Scione.
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My name is Carol Scione, that's 1
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I am'from Salisbury.
Gail and I are 10 neighbors, so I also see the Seabrook plant from my bedroom 11 window or whatever window I choose to look at it from.
12 I've lived in Salisbury for eight years.
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I must say that I am a business 15 woman in Salisbury.
I am a mother of three children, and a 16 grandmother.
17 I think it's important for people who are in my 18 position to state that we are not the run-of-the-mill hippie
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19 that used to protest, thank God, for us at one time.
It's 20 important to me to say that, you know, I do have a solid 21 background and I have researched what the plant is built on.
22 I've researched how to compare Chernobyl.
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say that I would like to petition you not to approve that 2
that should go on line.
There are only two points that I 3
would like to make in regard to evacuation.
4 A few years after I moved to Salisbury I was sitting j
5 in the coffee shop one morning, and there was a storm going on 6
and the water was coming over the banking on to the streets.
7 And, I was sipping my coffee and I looked over and got really 8
nervous, like the water is coming over, shouldn't someone be 9
10 upset.
But, the natives just sat there and sipped their 11 coffee.
i And, shortly they told me that the two roads, the 12 two access roads, to the beach or off the beach were.. _
13 going to be cut off because of high tide, very, very high tide, j4 the 286 road gets cut off and the road by the church is cut 15 ff.
So, what they were trying to tell me is, you may get 16 nervous if you want to but there is no need to because there j7 is no place for us to go.
18 19 That's one point.
I don't know if that's ever been taken into consideration.
20 And, the second point is, it's just like Gail.
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say much more, I petition you to please, please consider 4
that it's not the right thing to do.
5 Thank you.
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MR. GUY:
Good evening.
My name is Douglas Guy, and I reside in 7
Newberry, Massachusetts.
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that two weeks ago yesterday I deliverd a set of petitions to Governor Dukakis of Massachusetts on behalf of the faculty and student body of Governor Domer Academy that P.()
were signed in the opening days opposing the opening of 13 the Seabrook plant.
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The students and the faculty only had a very few days of access to the petitions, and I simply forwarded them on to Governor Dukakis.
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no bus system to bring students either onto campus or off of campus.
There is simply a very small handful of vans that are used for transportation.
In the event of a catacylsmic accident at the nuclear plant there would be abolutely no way of safely harboring our student body or evacuating students in any one direction one way or the other.
My simple selfish concern is for my colleagues, for the students at campus and for my family members.
I would simply request that you take that into account and that you help us preserve a tradition that is ce,nturys old in this area and simply forbid the opening of the plant.
Thank you very much.
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Mr. Robin Read.
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I don't know what that means in terms of what happens to me in an evacuation plan.
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and I am not sure if this has been brought up.
It is the 3
civil liberties implications of nuclear technology, and 4
specifically the Seabrook plant.
5 Last November the concerned citiznes of 6
Exerter, a citizens group of people that were petitioning 7
and working with the Selectmen of the Town of Seabrook 8
held a press conference to talk about evacuation outside 9
of the Seabrook Town Ha,ll.
10 An employee of the New Hampshire Civil Defense 11 Agency videotaped people who were part of that organization.
12 My tax money, evacuation planning tax money went to pay
's 13 that person to film and videotape and put in some kind 14 of file the faces and names of individauls who were con-15 cerned about the health and safety of their families and 16 of the citizens of their town.
17 That has a chilling effect, if nothing else, 18 on people who may be at a meeting like this who may want 19 to participate in some kind of citizens, legitimate 20 citizens organization if they think that somehow their 21 face or their name is going to wind up in somebody's file, n
some place.
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of people in this country.
4 Now I am a member of the New Hampshire State 5
Democratic Committee.
I am a former member of the New 6
Hampshire State Legislature, and I am currently running for 7
the New Hampshire House of Representatives.
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9 I, myself, have been spied on, had my 10 activities looked into by people who are employed by the 11 Public Service Company of New Hampshire, and I think that 12 I would like specifically a written response from the 13
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16 Are the people who are opposed to this plant 17 here today, are their names being upwinded somewhere and 18 they possibly being considered as some kind of potential 19 terrorist?
20 The security on a nuclear power plant is an 21 issue that obviously has been addressed in elaborate GAO 22 and NRC studies, but how you keep a plant secure from 23 terrorism or from that kind of thing has potentially
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He will be back tomorrow.
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Judge Wolfe, can we ask when 4
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We are beginning our evidentiary 6
7 hearing in the morning at 9 and will proceed until 5:30 8
I guess, 5 or 5:30.
Then we will pick up again and take 9
limited appearance statements from 7 till 10.
10 FROM THE FLOOR:
Can anyone who wishes at 11 that time without prior notice sign up to speak at that time?
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They may not'be reached tomorrow night by 10 o' clock, 15 16 but if they wish, as I have advised before, people who wish to make witten limited appearance statements may submit j7 18 them in writing at any time to the Board.
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Would they carry over to j9 20 the next evening then?
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We 21 22 are not holding limited appearances on Wednesday. This 23 room is being taken over by someone else on Wednesday.
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Is there no other room, Judge 6
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There are people who want to be seen and heard.
7 (Disturbances from the audience.)
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I am sure a location could 9
be found if there are people who want to speak.
10 JUDGE WOLFE:
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14 We do not have another place or arrangements 15 that can be made in that sort a time.
16 FROM THE FLOOR:
If we find a place in that 17 short a period of time ---
18 JUDGE WOLFE:
You may be able to find it within 19 that short of period of time, but we cannot act within that 20 short a period of time.
21 (Disturbances from the floor.)
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Bring your friends and 8
let's fill the hall.
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See you tomorrow.
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the limited I2 appearance session recessed, to reconvene at 7:00 o' clock 13 p.m.,
Tuesday, September 30, 1986.)
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