ML20153G314
| ML20153G314 | |
| Person / Time | |
|---|---|
| Site: | Peach Bottom  |
| Issue date: | 06/29/1998 |
| From: | NRC |
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| Shared Package | |
| ML20153G306 | List: |
| References | |
| NUDOCS 9809300037 | |
| Download: ML20153G314 (67) | |
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Delta Area Community Oci ::: Center ( 9 Delta Peach Bottom Community Center 10 Meeting Room 11 5 Pendyrus Street l 12 Delta, P'ennsylvania 17314 13 Monday, June 29, 1998 14 l 15 The above-entitled meeting commenced, pursuant to 16 notice, at 7:02 p.m. j 17 l 18 PARTICIPANTS: 19 FRANCIS X. CAMERON, NRC 20 STEPHEN H. LEWIS, NRC l l 21 TIMOTHY C. JOHNSON, NRC l 22 STEWART W. BROWN, NRC l L 23 SHERRY C. WU, NRC i NKd AmdZ l 24 TONY DIMITRIADIS, M0rth ::t Ec32vual i 25 Office in Pennsylvania ANN RILE / & ASSOCIATES, LTD. I Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034 L
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3 Units 2 and 3 4 RICHARD F. DUDLEY, NRC 5 JAY DOORING, PECO 6 FRAN REINING, PECO 7 FRED POLASKI, PECO 8 ED WALSH, Cianbro Corp. 9 DAVE FOSS, PECO 10 MIKE FISCHER Cianbro Corp. 11 BOB BLACKMORE, Cianbro Corp. 12 VINCENT S. BOYER, Retired, PECO 13 BRUCE L. CLARK 14 JOHN G. HUFNAGEL, PECO 15 BERNARD RAFTOVICH, Retired, PECO 16 FRANCIS J. VOLZ, SR. 17 JOHN J. TUCKER 18 ROBERT ORNDORFF, Retired, PECO 19 JUDY D. WILLIAMS, PECON 20 WILLIAM E. TILTON, SR., Retired, PBAPS 21 WILLIAM D. BIRELY 22 EDWARD J. KOHLER 23 RAY BETZ, Retired, PBAPS 24 HOWARD L. METZ, Retired, Peach Bottom 25 BAILEY POMRANING ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. 7 ' Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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.ERIC BLOCKER', Parsons-4 KIP & KAREN ADAMS, Peach Bottom Alliance 5 MIKE SHON, MD Department of Environment 6- TONY PESANCHIK 7 W. ROSS & GEORGIANA WISE 8 HOPE H. BRADLEY 9 JANET-L. WILEY 10 MICHAEL CODY, York Daily Record 11 CHRISTINA GOSHOMSLA, York Dispatch 12 GEORGE LENGYEL, PECO Nuclear, Peach Bottom !
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-1 PROCEED'INGS 2 [7:01 p.m.]
3 MR. CAMERON: We'll get started now with ou'r 4 meeting on the status of the decommissioning of the Peach 5 Bottom 1 unit. And I would like to welcome all of you to 6 this public member tonight. 7 My name is Chip Cameron and I'm the special 8 counsel for public liaison with the Nuclear Regulatory 9 Commission and my role tonight as facilitator or moderator 10 is to in general help you have an effective meeting. And 11 specifically I want to make sure that everybody who has 12 anything to say out there has a chance to speak. I want-to 13 make sure that all of your questions about the 14 decommissioning of the Peach Bottom I unit are answered, and 15 I also want to try to keep us on schedule and also keep the 16 discussion focused on the information we're here to bring 17 .you tonight. And that is on the decommissioning of the 18 Peach Bottom 1 unit. 19 As far as the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the 20 NRC, is concerned, we have three objectives conight. One is 21 to tell you about the status of the decommissioning process 22 for the Peach Bottom 1 unit and also explain what the 23 regulatory framework is for the decommissioning of that 24 unit. 25 We want to answer your questions and hear your
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e e 5 l i 1 concerns, any concerns that you might have about the I l 2 decommissioning process and most importantly we want to try
'3 'to factor in any of those concerns or comments into our 4 decisionmaking process on the decommissioning of the plant.
5 As Stu Brown, one of my colleagues from the NRC 6 will explain in a few minutes, this public meeting was 7 prompted by the relatively new NRC rules on the l 8 decommissioning of reactors. And one objective of that rule : 9 is to make sure that the public has information on what a l l 10 particular. utility's plans are for decommissioning and what , 1 11 the NRC's role in the decommissioning process is. And the l 12 public meeting is provided for in those regulations and 13 that's why we're here tonight. 14 A few words about the agenda. And has everybody 15 got a copy of the agenda? I believe they were back on the 16 table. We have several presentations on the decommissioning 17 process both from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and from 18 the utility. But we just don't want to talk at you so that 19 after each presentation we'll have questions and answers on 20 that particular presentation rather than waiting for the end 21 of everything. If there's something that comes up that may i 22 be covered later on, then we'll just defer that question and i 23 ask it again and get an answer when that particular subject L 24 comes up. 25 The first item on your agenda that you'll see at , ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. 1 Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 L Washington, D.C. 20036 I (202) 842-0034
V l - 6 l 1 7:10 is the NRC's regulatory framework for reactor 2 decommissiodf$ndStuBrownfromtheNRCisgoingtodothat.. , 3 Stu, would you just stand up and identify yourself 4 to people? 5 Next, we're going to hear from the utility in 6 terms of what their plans are and Jay Doering is going to do 7 that presentation for us. And Jay, there he is back there, 8 will do questions and answers then. 9 Then we're going to switch back to the NRC to Tony 10 Dimitriadis. Tony is from our regional office and he's 11 going'to talk to you about the inspection process and also 12 specific inspection activities at the Peach Bottom Plant. 13 And after all of this there will be some time at 14 the end of the meeting where if we haven't answered -- if 15 there are still remaining questions, we will address those 16 or remaining comments. 17 Again, I'd just like to emphasize that we're here 18 to talk about Unit 1 at Peach Bottom and at decommissioning 19 there may be questions that there may be implications from 20 the other units for the decommissioning of this unit. I 21 don't know, we'll try to answer those, but for other types t 22 of issues, I'm going to ask the NRC staff to make themselves 23 available after the meeting. I'm not sure that we're going 24 to take the whole three hours tonight to answer any , l j 25 questions that you may have about other aspects of the NRC's l ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. k Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 , Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034 1
O 7 1 regulatory process. 2 The ground rules are simple. I would ask you if
'3' you have a question or a comment to raise your hand and let 4 me recognize you and then state your name for the record and-5 that's so that the transcriber can get your name on the 6 record _and know who is speaking. And I don't think that 7 your voices from back there are going to carry. So I would 8 .ask you to just come up to this mic and ask your question or 9 make your comment.
10 The transcript of this meeting will be cvailable 11 for people if -- through either our public document room or 12 we'll figure out if there's another way to get that to 13 people. But there will be a transcript of this entire 14 meeting. And I would just ask you to just -- not that.we're
, 15 ' going to have any problems along this line, but just to have 16 one person speaking at a time so that we can get that 17 person's thoughts or the transcript without too much 18 confusion.
19 And I guess that the only other thing I would say 20 is that I do -- would like to hear from anybody who does 21 have a question. We.would like to hear from you. We do 22 have some time limits and if we're starting to run short, I 23 may.ask you to just summarize your comment briefly, 24 particularly if you've spoken before. But I don't think we 25 have to worry about that. I think we have time to address ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. ! Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
a 8 1 everybody's concerns. And with that, I guess I'll turn it 2 over to -- well, let me introduce the rest of the NRC staff , 3 ihat's here. We did bring a number of people up so that if I 4 .nere were any questions -- legal questions, we could cover 5 those and other types of questions. And I guess I'll start 6 -- Steve Lewis is from our office of General Counsel; Tim 7 Johnson is right up here in the first row, and he's the l 8 chief of the branch that this decommissioning occurs under; ) 9 Dick Dudley is from our Office of Nuclear Reactor l 10 Regulations, Sherry Wu is up here and she is an engineer in l 11 Tim's branch, I believe. And you've met Tony -- l 12 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Dimitriadic. l 13 MR. CAMERON: -- Dimitriadis. And how about 14 Anthony McMurtray? 15 MR. McMURTRAY: Hi, I'm Tony McMurtray, I'm a 16 Senior Resident Inspection at Peach Bottom Units 2 and 3. 17 MR. CAMERON: Okay. Great. And Jay, when the 18 time comes you can introduce whoever you need to introduce 19 from your team. 20 Stu, do you want to start us off with an overview l 21 of the NRC decommissioning process? 22 MR. BROWN: Good afternoon. I'm Stu Brown the 23 project manager for the Peach Bottom 1 facility at the NRC. 24 I left several things at the desk and I would hope 25 that you would take them. Some frequently asked questions 1 ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
g 1 about decommissioning -- yes? 2 AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: Could you speak a little 3 more loudly, please? 4 MR. BROWN: Yes, I will. 5 I would also left a copy of the two most recent 6 regulations that have changed, the reasons why we're having 7 this meeting, the decommissioning, the reactor 8 decommissioning, decommissioning regulation and the cleanup 9 criteria regulation. I also left a copy of my slides. The 10 slides have been annotated to indicate what part of the 11 regulation that they are addressing. Hopefully what will 12 happen is that -- well, what will happen is that we're going 13 to go through this fairly briefly, it covers a lot of l 14 material. And if you have questions I also left my card 15 there that if you have questions related to Peach Bottom 1, l 16 please feel free to call us, you have our 1-800 number. 17 With that, let's get started. 18 As I said, there are going to be a number of areas 19 that we're going to cover tonight fairly briefly. So, 20 therefore, a brief roadmap. We're going to cover the 21 , governing regulations, notification requirements, allowable 22 decommissioning activities, the decommissioning trust fund, 23 license termination plan, public participation, radiological 24 cleanup criteria, and license termination. 25 As I indicated earlier, I left copies of hoth 10 I ' ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD.
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' ors 3 the NRC will conduct its business. And it defines how idle 4 licensees will conduct their regulated business.
5 The reason why we are meeting tonight is because 6 of the revision to 10 CFR 50.82. I'll talk about that a 7 little bit later. 8 First we're going to go through when does the 9 licensee have to provide notification to the NRC, when does 10 the NRC have to provide notification to the public? A 11 licensee needs to notify the NRC within 30 days of the 12 determination to permanently cease operations. We do 13 recognize that this facility has been shut down since 1974, 14 so, therefore, the licensee has complied with that part of 25 the regulation. But the regulations are written generally 16 for reactors that are currently in operation back to these 17 older facilities. 18 Next, the licensee needs to notify or provide 19 certification once the fuel has been removed from the 20 reactor vessel. That is a turning point which the licensee 21 would normally lose it's authority to operate the facility. 22 In this situation or this case the licensee has had its fuel 9JPW 23 removed from the stre back in 1977. 24 A licensee is required to provide a documant 25 called [ost-/hutdown Mcommissioning /E:tivities geport # ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034 i 1
e-e 11 1 -to the NRC two years following permanent cessation of 2 operations. This facility has been shut down. When the 1 3 members of the staff were rewriting the regulation they 4 recognized that there would be a number of facilities that 5 have already been shut down that have had their 6 decommissioning plans in house either approved or in-the 7 process of being reviewed. Therefore, the staff made the 8 decision that for those situations the decommissioning plan 9 would be considered the PSDAR. 10 Next, upon receipt of a PSDAR, the NRC is required 11 to'have or hold a meeting in the vicinity of the site. 12 Well, that is the reason why we're here tonight. This 13 particular licensee, PECO, has had their planf# in house, it 14 has been approved, they have conducted a certain amount of M i 15 decommissioning already. Their facility is in Saf: CLurf"~ 16 but because the regulation has been revised and it is now 17 considered a PSDAR, the NRC is obligated to hold a public 18 meeting. That is why we are here tonight. 19 Now, the purpose of the revised regulation on 20
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reactor decommissioning was to allow a certain amount of 21 flexibility in the decommissioning process. Previously a i j 22 licensee such as PECO would have had to submit a 23 decommissioning plan, have it reviewed and approved by the i 24 NRC and they would have to conduct their decommissioning in 25 accordance with that plan. 1 ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. k Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
12' 1 In accordance with the revised rule, the licensee 2 has greater flexibility on how they conduct their 3 decommissioning and what decommissioning activities they're 4 allowed to perform. First I'd like to go through and 5 indicate, or by definition show you what they are allowed 6 not to do or what they're prohibited from doing, and the 7 remaining area is what PECO or licensees such as PECO would 8 be allowed to do. 9 Licensees are not allowed to perform any major 10 decommissioning activities until 90 days after the PSDAR. 11 The licensee, PECO, has met that requirement. The licensee 12 shall notify the NRC and the State if it decides to - 13 significantly alter the information that was provided. 14 Now, please understand that this regulation was 15-ed written for facilities es the future that may come down for 16 decommissioning and facilities that.are currently in 17 decommissioning. The PSDAR has a timeline of major 18 decommissioning activities determined by the licensee in 19 their best interests. That allows the NRC to apply its 20 limited resources to come to the site to review 50.59s, and 21 we'll talk about that in a second, and the activities that 22 are occurring. 23 If the licensee makes the decision to change its 24 timeline to concuct these major decommissioning activities, 25 they are required to notify the NRC and the State so that we ( l_ ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD.
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13 1 can adjust how we're going to inspect and review. That's an 2 obligation to the licensee. But they're allowed to change l '3 'their plans, that provides them greater flexibility, but 4 also allows us to provide the oversight that we feel that's l 5 necessary. 6 A licensee is not allowed to or PECO or the 7 licensee will not be allowed to perform any decommissioning l 8 activities if it foreclosed the possible release of the site 9 for unrestricted use, and we'll talk about that when we get 10 'to the cleanup criteria, result in a significant
- 11 environmental impact, not previously reviewed, and result in i 12 there no longer being sufficient or adequate funds to 13 complete decommissioning. If that occurs, the licensee is 14 not allcwed to perform these activities.
15 Next the licensee is allowed to perform l 16 decommissioning activities under the provisions of 50.59 if 17 they complied with the provisions of 50.59. That will 18 require the licensee to perform an analysis, document that 19 analysis and subject to NRC review when we go on site. If 20 it complies with that, the licensee then can perform the 21 necessary decommissioning activity that it chooses to do. f 22 The decommissioning trust fund. Licensees -- and o 23 we're looking, again, at the broad spectrum -- are allowed 24 to use their decommissioning funds for decommissioning 25 activities. If the expenditures would -- excuse me. The i i ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD.
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identification of the remaining decommissioning activities, 6 those things that they need to conduct or perform before the 7 license is terminated. Plan for the site remediation, hca 8 they're going to accomplish these things. Detailed plans 9 for the final radiation survey. They have to demonstrate 10 that the site is clean enough to be released, and they have 11 to have a plan that is in sufficient detail and reviewed by 12 the NRC so that we have confidence that they're going to be ~ 13 able to perform this survey acceptably. That is an
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15 They also must have a description of the end use. 16 If it's going to be restricted we will talk about 17 unrestricted and restricted in a minute. And updated 18 site-specific cost estimate, and a supplement to the 19 environmeny#report. 20 Public participation. When the NRC receives this 21 application for termination the NRC will offer an 22 opportunity for hearing in the process. It will be a 23 Subpart L hearing. Further, the NRC is required and will 24 have a public meeting similar to this in the vicinity of the 25 site. ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. g- Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
l ( , 16 I 1 Cleanup criteria. Essentially there are three 2 standards to which a facility can be or the license c,an be . 3 terminated. The first one a for unrestricted use. That is 4 if the licensee can clean up the facilit'y to less than or l l 5 equal to 25 millirem per year, and that is ALARA, then if 6 they can comply with that and demonstrate it, then the 7 license can be terminated without restrictions. 8 If it's determined by the licensee that they 9 cannot clean up a facility, to those standards, they can 10 come in and ask for restricted release. The NRC is in the 11 process of reviewing the criteria that's before the 12 Commission uf what would we find acceptable criteria for i 13 restricted releases. We could talk'about it, but it would 14 still be before the Commission. 15 I'm not going to go into detail on the third one 16
/h M because that's ultimate criteria and that is supposed to be 17 used in the rarest of situations. And if a licensee cam ( in 18 and requested it, it would have to go to the Commission for 19 approval. So that's a very rare event. Or at least it's 20 envisioned to be.
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and its associated documents -- documentation demonstrates 5 l that the site is adequately cleaned up. That's the process ! 6 Again, I recognize that we went over fairly 7' briefly. As you can each one has been annotated so that 8 you'll ha/e an opportunity to go back into the regulations, a 9 take a look at it, and if you do have questions, we are l l 10 available through the 1-800 number. 11 Thank you. 12 MR. CAMERON: Can we have the lights, please? 13 Thank you. 14 Thanks, Stu, that was a lot of material and if 15 there are things that you aren't clear on, we have a lot of 16 people here to try to clarify them. Stu, how about 17 questions. 18 MR. BROWN: Yes. 19 MR. KOHLER: When you say " license termination" -- 20 MR. CAMERON: Sir, could you just identify 21 yourself for the record? I don't think you need to stand 22 up, because I think we'll get you. 23 MR. KOHLER: My name is Ed Kohler and I'm 24 affiliated with the Philadelphia Electric Company and I was
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D 18 1 you say " license termination" we applied for possession 2 only, to possess, but not to operate. Do you mear. af ter we - 3 give the possession only license up and release the ground 4- for unre.stricted use? Or do you mean giving up the 5 utilization license and having the possession only license? 6 MR. BROWN: You have a license which allows you to 7 possess the facility, but not operate the facility. 8 MR. KOHLER: That's correct. 9 MR. BROWN: We're talking about termination of the 10 NRC license completely. 11 MR. KOHLER: Completely? 12 MR. BRC Completely. And currently my - 13 understanding and I believe PECO will address this, what 14 their plans are, but I believe that they're not planning on 15 moving towards final decommissioning of the Peach Bottom 1 16 site until well after 2000, I thin't 2015. So, again, the 17 regulations are written generally for a lot of licensees, 18 some choose to go into immediate dismantlement and then 19 terminate their licensees, others such as this facility 20 which has other operating reactors on the site, may choose 21 to wait until they want to decommissioning the total site 22 and terminate each one of the licenses that they currently 23 possess. N 24 MR. CAMERON: Stu, you used and acronym, Safe 25 Ebc[ which I don't -- I'm not sure everybody would g ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 . { (202) 842-0034
i 4 . g 19 1 understand, but besides that, that sort of is an important 2 question for reactor decommissioning. Do you think you l 3 could just briefly describe what the options are for a 4 utility?
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l Currently there are supposed to 6 be three options. l One of them is not viable, we are looking 7 at that. That's called entombment. The other two are S E 8 E26randdhaW W om. Saf Civi has taken the facility, putting 9 it into a condition which the facility can be left alone, l 10 would not expect to cause any impact to the environment, 11 that is, drain liquid systems that are not necessary. Once 12 you get to a state like the Peach Bottom 1 facility where 13 the fuel is removed from the site, that includes removing up 14 -- well, most fluid systems. You also want to harden or 15 clean up as much of the contamination as you can. You want , i i 16 to remove fire hazards so the facility is in a safe storage l 1 17 condition.
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20 Going in, analyzing what this activity involves under 50.59 21 will they be causing impact and can this be done safely. ! 22 And once they have made the determination and documented an 23 evaluation which remains on site, then the licensee is -- j 24 has the authority to go ahead and perform that 25 decommissioning activity. That means removing systems l l ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD.
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a 20 4 l 1 components, whatever is necessary to complete 2 decommissioning. , , 3 MR. CAMERON: Any questions out there? 4 MS. BALDWIN: Yes. My name is Barbara Baldwin. 5 Can you hear me? 6 MR. BROWN: Yes, ma'am. 7 MR. CAMERON: Barbara, could we just make sure 8 that the transcriber hears you. Maybe you should come up, 9 if it's not too uncomfortable for you because I think -- 10 MS. BALDWIN: It's just a simple question. I just 11 wasn't sure if I'm hearing very well. When you have fans 12 behind us, it makes it more difficult when you're behind 13 than those in front. 14 MR. CAMERON: I apologize. 15 MS. BALDWIN: Did I hear you say that the fuel was 16 removed in 1977? 17 MR. BROWN: I believe most -- excuse me, not most. 18 I believe they completed removal of fuel -- Peach Bottom 1 19 fuel from the Peach Bottom 1 site in 1977, 20 MR. KOHLER: That's correct. 21 MR. CAMERON: Is that -- someone from PECO is 22 confirming that that is correct. 23 MR. KOHLER: Yes, that's correct. All of the fuel 24 went to the Idaho facility. 25 MR. CAMERON: Okay. And that's Ed again, right? ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
21 1 MR. KOHLER: Right. 2 MR. CAMERON: All right. Stu :1so mentioned 3 something called restricted use. Can you just explain what 4 restricted use is versus unrestricted use of a site?
'5 MR. BROWN: Okay'. The NRC in the cleanup criteria 6 rule which I-left a copy in the back defined three levels, 7 unrestricted, restricted, and alternative. Alternative 8 that's a rare event, not worth going into. Unrestricted,
-9 the licensee and the NRC would look at the remaining 10 activity on site after the licensee has performed sufficient 11 cleanup and we can make a determination that it is less than 12 or equal to 25 millirem a year. If the NRC can make that 13 determination, then we can terminate the license without '
14 restriction -- without restricted use. However, in some l 15 instances where that cannot be accomplished the licensee can 16 -- the NRC can terminate the license with restricted 17 conditions such as deed restrictions, providing the land to 18 the Government for oversight, there are several of them to 19 go into, but the issue is that if it's above 25 millirem 20 then you would have to look at restr$cted release. 21 MR. CAMERON: And " unrestricted" basically means 22 that there would be no restrictions on what the site could l 23 be used for such as residential, farming, things like that. l l 24 " Restricted" would mean that there would be restrictions, 25 limitations on what the site could be used for. For , ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. l Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
22 1 . example, it could only be used for an industrial facility. 2 All right. . . 3 Other questions on the NRC regulatory framework? 4 Yes, sir. 5 MR. WISE: I'm a little curious here. The site is 6 -- 7 MR. CAMERON: Can you hear him.
=8 MR. WISE: My name is Ross Wise and I live about I
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'10 was used for a long time as the visitors' center.
11 MR. BROWN: No, I don't believe so, but we -- ' 12 someone will cover that in -- 13 MR. WISE: Okay. Very good, I'm sorry. 14 MR. BROWN: I think the licensee or PECO would be 15 better to address that one. - 16 MR. WISE: Okay. 17 MR. CAMERON: We'll make sure that that gets 18 addressed.
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20 [No responst 21 MR. CAMERON: I guess one thing for people's 22 information,-you mentioned that the final safety analysis 23 report on the decommissioning is available in the public
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23 1 MR. CAMERON: Where is that? 2 MR. BROWN: Harrisburg. 3 MR. CAMERON: Harrisburg, okay. I guess the 4 " local" is in the eye of the beholder, right? 5 [ Laughter.] 6 AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: Yes, sir, is the library in 7 York not a repository now? It was for sometime. 8 MR. CAMERON: NRC? 9 AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: It's now Harrisburg and I'm 10 not exactly sure where it is, but the library also has to 11 choose to keep up that information. 12 MR. CAMERON: Yes, ma'am? 13 MS. ADAMS: My name is Karen Adams and I'm a local 14 resident. Has there ever been a facility that has had t 15 unrestricted deeds release? 16 H T* W$4 MR. BROWN: Yes, Shoreham, parft St. Brefn, -- most 17 of the Pathfinder -- 18 MR. JOHNSON: And we also terminate about 300 19 licenses a year. These are hospital, university, industrial 20 users of nuclear materials, another set of licenses that NRC 21 has that are different from a nuclear reactor license. 22 MR. CAMERON: There have been reactors that have , 23 been released; right? 24 MR. BROWN: Right. Shoreham. Although, when a 25 facility gets to this phase of its existence, it's very (- ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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24 1 close to a material site and we have terminated licenses 2 from those also. , 3 MR. CAMERON: Anybody else have a question? 4 MR. CODY: I'm Michael Cody, and I'm with the York 5 Daily Record, and I just want to make sure I understand. 6 The short answer is, they have to apply for the 7 decommissioning because the regulations have changed. Is 8 there a second part of that, because the regulations have 9 changed and PECO wants to do something now, or just because 10 they have to get the paperwork -- 11 MR. BROWN: No , no -- 12 MR. CODY: -- up to date with the new regulations? 13 M2. BROWN: That's a lot of question there, but 14 let me try from what I think I understand. They don't have 15 to apply to decommission, they have to make an application 16 to terminate their license. That is the process ; hat kicks 17 in the hearing -- kicks in the hearing process by which the 18 license would be amended and offer an opportunity for a 19 hearing. Also that should be accompanied by a license 20 termination plan. That's one part of the question. 21 MR. CAMERON: I think Michael's concern may br 22 that -- and which I think we should clarify and I think Jay 23 is probably going to clarify it is, what's going to be -- 24 when you talk about scheduling major decommissioning 25 activities and things like that, what's going to be ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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/Irm/L-changed said,'you know, once the BSERK comes in the NRC is 1M! - obligated.to have a public meet..ag. Well, because we have 23- made the determination in the regulation that what they had 24 as a PSDAR we looked at the regulation and said, you know, I 25 think we owe the public a public mecting in the area because ,
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9 this one. Let me'get someplace where everybody can hear me. 10 Steve Lewis from the Office of General Counsel at . 11 NRC. We're obligated to do it, we're also pleased to do it. 12- Part of'what we did in 1996 in the regulations was to set 13 . things up so that.we would have very viable and very 14 meaningful opportunity for public input and while this plant ! 15 and other' plants of its age are somewhat atypical, in a 16 typical situation, if a plant were shutting down today in ! 17 the contemporary.timeframe, it would be very important, we i-L 18 would want to have this public meeting very early in the 19 process and the regulation. requires that and, you know, for 20 a' plant that was shutting down today, it might be a somewhat 21; different type of meeting. 22-
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L . , 27 1 obligated to do it; yes, we're obligated to do it. But that 2 it's extremely important even for a plant like this which "3 has been in a shutdown condition for a long period of time 4 to have an opportunity for public comment and for a plant 5 like this, admittedly it's in the nature of an update for l 6 the public on where things stand. But, you know, that's -- ! 7 that's the thing I wanted to tell you that, yeah, we have an 8 obligation, it's our pleasure to be here in addition. . 9 MR. CAMERON: Thank you, Steve and Jay. Here from l 10 the utility in his presentation is going to talk a little 11 fH# bit about schedules and activities and I skaC that will give 12 you a better flavor for this. So, let's'go to Jay now from 13 PECO who is going to talk about the utility's plans for 14 decommissioning and then we'll go to questions on that. And 15 if you want to come back to NRC stuff, we'll have time at 16 the end of the meeting. 17 MR. DOERING: Hi, I'm Jay Doering. l I'm 18 superintendent at Peach Bottom now. I have been supported ! 19- here.by a number of people preparing for this hearing. So I 20 would just like.to acknowledge them, Dave Foss, back there, i 21 a project engineer. Dave. Jerry Philabon who will be 22- turning slides for me, a licensing engineer for Peach o 23 Bottom, Fred-Morasky is a Peach Bottom project engineer. 24 AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: Speak up. We can't hear 25 you back here. 4 ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. ( Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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l . 28 I 1 l 1 MR. DOERING: Okay. Thanks for the information. ' l 2 Okay. George Hungel. Okay. George Hungel manager of , , i 3 experience assessment, Denny Bergar, and Denny is in our I 4 regulatory group. John Hufnagle, the manager of Peach 5 Bottom licensing who is here to support me. I would also 6 like to acknowledge a number of members of the public that 1 j 7 are here tonight that are annuitants and were men who I
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l 9 Bottom. And I'm going to cover some of the history of Peach l l 10 Bottom, I'm sure they can fill in the gaps between what I 11 have to say. 12 Okay. The -- I don't want to turn out any lights 13 yet, what I would like to do is address -- leave the lights 14 on a second, Dave. I would like to address on question 15 first about the location of Unit 1 that we're talking about 16 here. The question was, does it involve the information 17 center area? No, that would be over here. I realize this 18 is a small picture, but this is Unit 1 here right at the end 19 of Adam Road. You come down Adam Road, this is Unit 1, and 20 this is one of the entrances to the site, and this is Units 21 2 and 3. And Unit 1 is surrounded by buildings now and 22 actually much of the Unit 1 building is being used as a 23 training facility at this time. So that's what it is and 24 we're talking about decommissioning this portion of that 25 building that contains everything that's in it. t ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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Fifty-three investors got together or 53 4 utilities got together, the largest group to ever get 5 together-in the United States in support of a nuclear 6: project like this. They formed a high temperature reactor 7-development associates and in 1958 they submitted a proposal 8' to the then U.S. Atomic Energy Commission.to develop and 9 build a gas cooled -- reactor. 10 This is a 40 megawatt plant. Just to put things 11 into perspective, Units 2 and 3 are about over 50 times as 12 large as what we're talking about here in' Unit 1. Unit 1 13 was a demonstration plant and it was a prototype for other 14 high-temperature gas cooled reactors to be built. That y4w
.15 included Fort Saint Yosain which we juct discussed a few 16 minutes ago that's already been decommissioned and a few 17 other plants which were never built.
18 General Atomic Corporation was the supplier of the 19 reactor components and Bechtel Corporation was the engineer 20 and contractor and PECO and Philadelphia Electric Company 21 owned and operated the plant. The plant operates on a 22 combination of uranium and thorium fuel as graphite 23 moderator, the coolant is helium which is heated in the 24 reactor and it goes to the steam generators which produce 25 steam which ran the turbine. ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. g Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
30 1 Power operation for this plant began in 1967 and 2 became commercial in June of 1967 and it produced 1.2 , 3 million megawatt hours during its lifetime. Now, to put 4 that into perspective it takes about three weeks to generate 5 that much electricity with the current plants down there. 6 Decommissioning 1974, just after fuel load, I 7 believe it was, for Unit'3, we shut down Unit 1. The first 8 fuel shipment was in 1975 and correctly stated was in 1977
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pysy w WHY 11 Next I'd like to mention some of the reaets7it"r 12 that remains in Unit 1. And I've put up there three 13 different years so you an see the decaying of the activity 14 activation products which are inside the reactor. You can 15 see they have decayed considerably from 2.9 mi4+dcuries 16 right after shut down until projected in the year 2026 down 17 to a thousand curies. There are also some radioactive 18 products in the coolant system, considerably less. We can 19 see in 1975 there were 30 curies and by 2026 we anticipate 20 that will be down to a little over six curies. 21 Now, we have a license, technical specification 22 for this plant. Presently that expires in the year 2015. 23 And the technical specifications require we do three 24 principal activities, that we establish an exclusion area 25 which is principally the primary containment vessel, what I ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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31 l 1 showed you on the photograph. We have to conduct 2, radiological surveys within the plant and we have to check 3 for water accumulation in areas of the plant that are below 4 . grade and test that water. 5 What are our long-term plans? Well, the goal is a 6 to. remove residual radioactivity to permit release of the 7 property for unrestricted use and termination of the 8' license. We covered unrestricted use in the last 9 presentation and that's what our intention is. 10 And finally we'd like to talk about the benefits 11 of. deferring final decommissioning. The question was asked, 12 well, why are we here at the meeting; are we about to do 13 something? . No , as a matter of fact, we're not about to do 14 something. And there's significant benefits to delaying the 15 actual decommissioning dismantling of the unit. And that 16 is, you saw in the slides that had the radiation exposure or 17- the content in the reactor in the primary system, that just 18 continurs to go away with time. It reduces the expense and i
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32 1 requirement is that the decommissioning be completed in 60 2 years and we certainly would intend to have it done by ,then., 3 That concludes my presentation. 4 MR. CAMERON: Thank you, Jay. Could we have the 5 lights, and maybe just on your last statement about 60 years. 6 to give people an idea of what might be happening. 7 MR. DOERING: Sure. 8 MR. CAMERON: When 60 years starting -- I mean, 9 when does that start? I mean, when will 60 years finish? 10 MR. DOERING: Well, 60 years would be done in 11 October 31st of 2034. That would be 60 years after the 12 final shutdown on October 31st, 1974. 13 MR. CAMERON: Okay. 14 MR. DOERING: So that would -- that spans the 15 license life of Units 2 and 3 at this time. And so in all 16 likelihood the decommissioning would be conducted t 17 simultaneously. 18 MR. CAMERON: So I think that's an important point l 19 for people to realize is that the license at least the l 20 expected license life of 2 and 3 would be done by that and l 21 you would do the whole site, all the units at the same time. 1 l 22 MR. DOERING: Yeah, that would be'the idea that 23 would work. 24 MR. CAMERON: How about questions for Jay? Or l l 25 comments. l l l i ! ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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3 MR. DOERING: Well,'I don't know. I know we are 4 abiding by the regulations that govern the accumulation of 5- trust funds. I do not have the amount that's in there at , I l 6 this time. That's-governed,'there's a requirement and 1 7 regulations governing that. We're in' compliance with those 1 8_ regulationt, but I don't even know. ; 9 MR. CODY: Can I ask a follow up? Once the 10 dismantling begins, how long does the dismantling take? 11 MR. DOERING: Well, the only knowledge I have -- 12 I'm not sure what -- but from my recollection at shippsus W 13 poet, it was on the order of two or three. years, something
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.21 speculate that it would be more than under operation for a 25 short period of time, yeah.
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35 1 regulation which the next step in the proposed regulation if I 2 our Commission agrees will be that it will become a final 3 regulation would provide for those funds to be reported to 4 the NRC and for a facility in the situation of Peach Bottom 5 Unit 1, they would.be required to annually report to us on 6 what the. status of their funds are. So those funds could be 7 monitored by the NRC as to their adequacy. 8 MR. CAMERON: Thanks, Steve. And I believe Tim 9 Johnson -- on that note Tim Johnson has an update on what 10 the actual decommissioning fund is for this particular unit dA) ' 11 Sacthis site. 12 MR. JOHNSON: For Unit 1 the amount in trust as of l 13 the end of-May was $10 million.and it's my understanding 14 that the total escimate for remediation will be about $60 j 15 million, and their objective is to make annual payments so 16 that by 2015 the date of the expiration of the license, they 17 will have full funding for the remediation. 18 MR. CAMERON: Yes, sir. l 19 MR. ADAMS: My rame is Kip Adams, I'm a local l 20 resident. Are these funds the expense of the 21 decommissioning to be borne by the rate payers, is it in the 22 rate base or is it something the investors have to bear? 23 MR. JOHNSON: I believe some of the money that's 24 in the trust fund now is paid by the shareholders. l 25 MR. ADAMS: And the rate payers F.re not -- l ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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f - 38 1 safely say that there would be no more people in the 2 decommissioning process than there are during the refueling 3 that we have periodically. 4 MR. CAMERON: That's a good point. Anybody else 5 out there who would like to make a statement either from the 6 workforce who was involved in the plant or anybody else? 7 [No responsc.] 8 MR. CAMERON: Did you get your question answered, 9 sir, that we were going to wait? . 10 MR. WISE: Yes, I did. 11 MR. CAMERON: You did? Okay. Great. 12 Anybody else on questions for Jay? 13 MR. AY: Question. 14 MR. CAMERON: Yes. 15 MR. AY: I'm a little bit late here so I didn't 16 hear the first 40 minutes of what was going on. But you're 17 dismantling this, is that what's happening? 18 MR. DOERING: No. We'rd not about to dismantle 19 it. We're having hearings that are required at this time to 20 be held. But at the end of my precentation I talked about 21 the benefits of delaying this as long as we can, in all 22 likelihood, out to the life of Units 2 and 3. So we're not 23 anticipating taking any steps at this time at all. 24 MR. AY: We're just talking about future 25 dismantling? l ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. L Court Reporters l 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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10 MR. DOERING: We have no immediate plans for L 11 dismantling the plant at all. 12 c Your name, sir, so we can -- t 13 MR. AY: Larry. I'm two years -- well -- l 14 MR. DOERIN3: We need the first and last name for ! 15 the transcript. 16' MR. AY: Oh, do they? 17 MR. CAMERON: It's just because we're taking a 1 L 18 -transcript, it's not because you're going to get a letter in i 19 'the mail. j f 20 [ Laughter.] l 21 MR. AY: It's Karl Ay, I live over off of Pickmill 22- Road which is probably one of the closest houses to the
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. o 40 1 he around afterwards to, you know, to clarify anything that 2- ,au need to know on that score. But I think you answered it 3 pretty directly.
4- Let's go to Tony Dimitriadis from our regional 5 office who is going to tell you about the inspection 6' process. 7 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Good evening, everyone. My name 8 is Anthony Dimitriadis. I took my jacket off because it's a 9 little warm in here. .So I apologize. I'm a regional 10 inspector and project manager, you can pick any title you 11 want. My background is in health physics. And I've been 12 assigned to inspect Peach Bottom Unit 1. I was last at this 13 site in June 4th, I believe, something like that. And I'll
-14 take you through what we look at, what we don't look at. At 15 this point I think everybody has given you the most exciting 16 news, if you will. This is fairly boring, and, you know, as 17 a member of the public, myself included, that's a good 18 thing. So I'll just take you through the inspection or that t 19 process.
20 If.you could get the lights for me, I would 21- appreciate it. 22 Okay. As I said, I'm from the regional office and 23 just for those of you who don't know our headquarters is in
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j' 41 1 is in Atlanta, Georgia; the third one is outside Chicago, { 2 Illinois; and the fourth one is in Texas, Arlington, Texas. ' l 3 The inspection responsibilities are currently l 4 under the Region I Office and I just put a couple things 1 5 together. I knew that the previous presenters would have l 6 some of this information, but I figure it's not a bad. thing I 7 to just make sure that we include these things. i 8 Number one, the status of reactor right now is ! l 9 that it's sitting there until the year 2015 when Units 2 and 35#Egut ! 10 3 are tentatively scheduled for decommissioning. And Sa4e l 11 Secf, we went over. Basically the objective of allowing a 12 reactor to sit there and delay the decommissioning is to 1 13 allow for the -- all the radioactive components to decay so 14 that it doesn't basically -- we can lower the exposure to 15 the individuals who would be working in the reactor site 16 when they're decommissioning. So just in case anybody had 17 any questions, why is this a good idea, that's exactly why. 18 There is no fuel at this site. As we've said
- 19. before, all the fuel was shipped out by 1977, there's no 20 water in the reactor fuel pool. And the contamination is 21' confined to.a couple of items, the reactor vessel, the 22 primary loop piping, steam generator, circulation pumps and 23 most of-the cleanup system.
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3 the plant. We went into the various levels, I took 4 radiation levels, I took some wipes which I'll go over later 5 on, and just to make sure that everything is ta-teet, W l 6 there's no obvious hazards. That's the first thing that we 7 do as inspectors. 8 Let me move this up a little bit. The second 9 thing we do is called " characterization". Characterization 10 is one of the milestones or one of the areas, if you will, 11 that one has to reach in the process of decommissioning. 12 And characterization basically means you look at a site'and 13 you have to basically characterize where most of the hazards 14 are, what types of hazards, what kind of work will you need 15 to do to decommission and so forth. 16 And the characterization in accordance with my 17 inspection has been adequately carried out. The boundaries 18 of what's called an affected area have been obviously posted 19 and the licensee has taken good precautions.in identifying 20 areas cleared of obvious hazards. Basically what that means 21 is they've identified where -- you know, you don't want to 22 really go close to because, you know, there's contamination 23 of radiation levels and they roped it off and it's obvious 24 that you really can't enter in there. And so that part of 25 the decommissioning process called characterization has been ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. ( Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
1 43 1 done adequately. They've actually done a pretty good job. 2 The site security is controlled by the licensee. 3' . I can't just enter just because I want to, there are 4 obviously barriers and site security on the property. And 1 5 what we call the contamination, what we'll call licensed 6 material, it refers to the license that's being held right 7 now, the possession only license. It's being maintained 8 properly, that's what I can tell you. Not any one can just 9 walk up to and enter Unit 1 obviously because of the l 10 hazards. 11 Are there any questions at this time? I just want 12 to take it slow. Yes. 13 MS. ADAMS: This inspection process that you're 14 speaking of you just did recently? 15- MR. DIMITRIADIS: Yes. 16 MS. ADAMS: Since this happened way back in the 17 process between '74 and '77 getting rid of the fuel, is this 18 part of the regular routine inspection of the NRC that they 19 do, you know, regularly -- 20 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Okay. So there's two questions. 21 One is a general, what do we do in inspections, specifically 1 22 what did we do at Peach Bottom; is that what you're asking? 23 MS. ADAMS: No, all I'm asking is, this inspection 24 . that you just did recently, has this been occurring l 25 continuously since -- l-1 ' . ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters i: 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034 w + v - .+ w . - v. ,.,.w,.,, . - . . ~ ,
44 1 MR. DIMITRIADIS: No. I l 2 MS. ADAMS: -- 1977 -- 3 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Not in this plant. Not in Unit 4 1. 5 MR. BOYER: Wait a minute, not by a the unit 6 licensee. 7 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Yeah, let me qualify that. 8 Between the time that it was -- the fuel was shipped out, 9 when there were things going on in the '70, the Atomic 10 Energy Commission and later the NRC were doing inspections, fd99P854 11 obviously. But since it entered into Safe Ctor there 12 weren't any inspections because quite honestly, you know, 13 our rules hadn't changed yet and the other reason is there's 14 not really anything going on there. 15 MR. BOYER: But there were periodic inspections by 16 the licensee. 17 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Oh, yes. I think -- 18 (Simultaneous conversation.] 19 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Yeah, the licensee is required 20 to perform what's called " surveillance activities". 21 MS. ADAMS: But I am specifically asking NRC 22 themselves -- 23 MR. DIMITRIADIS: NRC, no. 24 MS. ADAMS: -- did not -- were not involved in 25 that process, it was left up to the licensee from 1977 until 1 i 1 ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 l Washington, D.C. 20036 i (202) 842-0034 l l l t
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4 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Yes. l 5 MR. BROWN: Let me state that there were and there 6 are resident inspector on site, one. The program office -- 7 the headquarter program office -- there are two of them, NRR , 1 8 and NMSS a dkfice of Nuclear Reactor Regulations, typically 9 .they have the operating facilities, NMSS has i t af ter the 10 fuel is removed. The inspections have not been as frequent l 11 as we would like to have had them, but we are now on track. 12 They will.be done at least annually and/or if we make the 13 determination more frequently that will occur. 14 MR. CAMERON: Okay. Thank you. 1 15 MR. KOHLER: Under/bggbide1.86theydid 16 quarterly inspections. i i 1 17 MR. BROWN: That may be true, but I think the 18 issue is, what has the NRC done. I can speak or at least 19 say, we are on track and we will remain on track. 20 MR. McMURTRAY: One thing I can add here as a 21 senior resident inspector, and I just got here in November l 22 of last year, so I was out in the midwest before that. But l 23 I went on an inspection, a tour of' Unit 1 right after I got l I 24- here in December of last year, so I have been to the Unit 1 25 facility. Tony has been out here twice now, he looked in I ( ANN RILEY & ASSOCIkfES, LTD. Court Reporters t i 1025 Connecticut. Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
46 1 December and then did a full inspection here in June, and 2 also-from the time that this plant was decommissioned y,ou , 3 have had resident inspectors on site, so if there were any 4 issues that would have been raised on that the licensee 5 would have -- you know, there was NRC personnel there to be 6 made aware of anything that the licensee would find. 7 MR. ADAMS: Let me follow up just a little bit on 8 this. Are there routine emi'ssions from Unit 1? 9 MR. DIMITRIADIS: No , there's nothing. 10 MR. ADAMS: Zero emissions. 11 MR. DIMITRIADIS: That's why I said, it's pretty 12 boring. And that's what you want. There's no liquid, 13 there's no air releases, there's really nothing, you know, 14 there's steel that's contaminated that's sitting there, and 15 it's enclosed and in the vessel and -- 16- But the routine inspections are still made? 17 MR. ADAMS: Are there on-site monitors to pick up 18 any release of that Unit 1? 19 .MR. DIMITRIADIS: Well, there are, but it's a hard 20 ' question because if there were any releases they would be so 21 low that you would probably pick up more from, you know, L 22 something else rather than Unit 1. 23 MR. McMURTRAY: Also, your environmental ( 24 monitoring system really is set up and would be monitoring I Unit 1 when it's monitoring Units 2 and 3. So Units 2 and 3 25 ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. I Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034 L
47 1 is really -- but you do have dosimetry and things placed 2 around the area that's really monitoring Units 2 and 3. And 3 Unit 1 is not -- what Tony is saying here is, Unit 1 is not 4 adding anything above background to those levels. 5 MR. KOHLER: That's what verified by monitoring 6 spot in the equipment -- there's a breather pipe there with 7 an absolute filter in the pipe. And any gases or anything 8 that would go out and go through that absolute filter which 9 would collect everything and that's part of the inspection 10 to see if that absolute filter has picked anything up, and 11 it never has. 12 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Any other questions at this 13 time? 14 (No response.] 15 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Okay. The next thing that I 16 looked at during the inspection and I always look at it in 17 materials licensees and reactor licensees is the kind of 18 equipment that are used to do what we call the surveillance 19 l activities. The licensee goes into the Unit i enclosure and ' 20 they perform a surveillance activity that includes taking
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48 1 instrumentation ar they -- and I also looked at the records 2 to'make sure that those functions were carried out and what . l 3 kind of equipment that they used. And I'd look at the 4 calibration records to make sure that they're calibrated on 5 a tinely basis. 6 The next thing I looked at is the radiation 7 protection program and that kind of is a general obviously 8 radiation is, you know, our concern. But when we talk about 9 radiation protection, we talk about controls. And one of 10 those controls, for example, is signing onto what's called a 1.* radiation work permit. Before you go and do some kind of a 12 function in a utility reactor like this, typically what you 13 have to do is you'have to read to make sure you understand 14 what the hazards may be. Of course, that covers some of my 1E training in addition, but they tell you specifically what 16 some of the hazards may be, what to expect, there might be a , 17 confined entrance for this and so we did that. 10 Also I looked at the years of experience of the If) individuals that performed these surveillance activities and i 20 there's a lot of years of experience at this site being 21 utilized to do these surveillance activities. And I think 22 an' interesting point is the fact that at exposures are kept
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e . 51 1 they had good posting and labeling, proper signs and labels 2 throughout the site. 3 I took independent measurements as I said earlier, 4 and I took radiation levels with two instruments and a 5 couple of wipes to make sure that there's no removal of 6 contamination. And two different things, one is, I use a 7 meter to make sure that the radiation levels aren't i S inappropriate a'. Lhe area where I'm taking them, I should 9 say. Okay. 10 The second thing is, what I do is I take radiation 11 wipe surveys and what that basically means is I use some 12 kind of a filter to wipe qurfaces inside the reactor site 13 not anywhere where I shou.1d expect it. And they are 14 currently being done right now. Basically what that means, 15 is there anything that I would touch that would actually 16 contncinate myself or anybody else. And two of them have 17 come cut with zero which is what we should expect and I'm 18 still waiting for the third one. 19 The last two things, fire protection, Peach Bottom 20
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2 I can't really see a large potential for fire there, , , 3 although, you know, it's basically steel and concrete and 4 there's nothing going on. 5 The last thing that I looked at is something that 6 Steve Lewis brought up that has to do with 50.75, our Code 7 of Federal Regulations Part 50 has to do with reactors, 8 50.75 has to do with decommissioning, funding, and records. 9 And 50. 75 (g) , I believe it is, talks about the licensee is 10 required to hold decommissioning records at a place so that 11 the institutional knowledge doesn't get lost. In essence, 12 if something happens that everyone should know about, the 13 history of the site that is, that the licensee have records 14 somewhere where they can find them, you know, quickly. And 15 I look at that and they have their binder and I look through 16 that. That's basically the majority of the inspection 17 program. I have to read some of their procedures which are 18 pages. So I'm still going through it. 19 Are there any questions? 20 MS. BRADLEY: Yes. I'm Hope Bradley and I live 21 near the plant. 22 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Yes, ma'am. 23 MS. BRADLEY: [Off mic.] Since you haven't going 24 since the '70s -- 25 MR. DIMITRIADIS: No, no, the licensee, PECO ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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14 the U.S. Government, the licensee is PECO Energy. Now, 15 you're saying they're building -- oh, okay. 16 MR. BROWN: May I address that? We are here to 17 talk about Unit 1. Yes, the licensee, I believe, is in the 18 process or considering building an independent spent-fuel 19 storage installation, but that, I believe the licensee has l 20 addressed in a separate public meeting and completely i ( 21 independent of Unit 1. 22 MS. BRADLEY: Well, are you planning on holding a 23 public meeting before that is built? 24 MR. BROWN: I have to apologize to you, the people 25 thht you see here today are people that deal in f ANN RILEY & ASSOCIA1PS, LTD. Court ReporteME f 1025 Connecticut Avenue, a", Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
54 1 decommissioning and decommissioning only Unit 1. This is a 2 completely different item on two different dockets. What we, 3 can effectively try to address and answer will be things 4 related to Unit 1. Unit 1 is indeed defueled, fuel shipped 5 off site. 6 MS. BRADLEY: I realize that. But I would like to 7 request that a public meeting be held for the residents of 8 the area that live here. And when you have notification of 9 it, please put it on the front page of the Delta Star, aon't 10 put it back cn page 6 and make it look like an 11 advertisement. You know most people hardly glance at the 12 newspaper unless it's the front page. 13 MR. BROWN: I'm going to apologize to you. I 14 cannot make that promise. However, what I will do is when 15 this transcript is complete I well ensure I will hand carry 16 it over to the project manager in NRR and ensure that he is 17 aware or she -- I don't know who the project manager is, but 18 they.are aware of your concern and that they can work with 19 the licensee to try to resolve that. But for tonight I 20 apologize to people that are here, we're intt 21 decommissioning and we only have oversight of Unit 1. 22 MS. BRADLEY: Well, the suggestion would be to put 23 it in our bill. We do manage to get our bills every month. 24 MR. BROWN: Again, what I will do is take this 25 transcription and I will provide it to NRR and the project I ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. ! Court Reporters l 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 J Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034 A
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4 MR. CAMERON: Yes, we'll take that back and if you 5 want to know more about this generally, when we finish up 6 tonight Steve Lewin or perhaps one of the others can just 7 tell you a little bit more about that process. But as Stu 8 said, he will carry that request back to the Agency. 9 MR. WISE: Separate issue you said. It's a 10 separate issue? 11 MR. DIMITRIADIS: It's a separate issue. Right. 12 I'm afraid we don't 5now very much about it. Are there any 13 questions for the Unit 1 inspection process or any 14 regulation that you may have a question about? 15 [No response.] 16 MR. DIMITRIADIS: Well, I thank you very much for ; 17 giving me the opportunity to present this. If you have any 18 questions I'll leave some cards on the table.
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1 1 tonight that anybody has a concern about? Yes. i 2 MS. ADAMS: Just for curiosity sake, where was , 3 this meeting advertised besides the Delta Star? J 4 MR. CAMERON: Our public affairs people are not 5 with us tonight, but I think that -- I think it was only the F -- i" was, of course, in the Federal Register, right, Stu? 7 MR. BROWN: Yes. 8 MR. CAMERON: Which everybody reads. 9 [ Laughter. ] 10 MR. McMURTRAY: It also went out on the internet 11 and I do know that they sent it to the Delta Star for press 12 release. 13 MS. ADAMS: We had had previous meetings, a group 14 of us, with the site manager before yourself, Steve, and you 15 .know, this issue has come up time and time again, and so 16 this is not new. We have been working very hard and 17 obvious 1j it's still not where it should be. And I think if 18 the NRC is going to take a time to put these new regs in 19 and, you know, profusely tell us how happy you are to be 20 here, and I do appreciate it. Every time we've had meetings 21 with NRC they've been wonderful about coming to meet with us 22 even if it's been a small group. But then you've got to get 23 the advertisement out. And we've been fighting this for 24 years. 25 MR. CAMERO1?: Where should we put -- yeah, that's ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 2 84 -b34 l
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s 4 3 59 1 I'm Vincent Boyer again. 2 I've been following nuclear power since 1960. 3 I've been on various industry committees while I was still 4 working with the company. I've been retired for a 11 years, 5 though I still have a great interest and I'm following 6 things in the technical literature and whatnot. We have 7 here at Peach Bottom Number 1 a very good concept and that's 3 not just -- I'm not just saying that because I was connected 9 with it, but it turned out Peach Bottom was the prototype i 10 that proved that the helium gas-cooled reactor would work 11 and would be safe, 12 The industry formed committees of which I was a 13 part, and we optimized the good features of this reactor and 14 got it developed up about four or five years ago to the 15 point where it could be built in a modular type of unit, it ] 16 could be built quickly, it would have been one of the most l 17 efficient, and safest reactor plants that could be built. i { 18 But as time has gone on the Government has shied away from 19 anything nuclear and I don't think we're going to get 20 another nuclear plant built until the President says, hey, 21 you know, we're in an energy bind here and we could help the 22 environment by building nuclear plants, and we ougnt to 23 build them. Then maybe the public attitude will change a 24 little bit and be a little bit more receptive. 25 MR. WISE: Yeah, Bechtel and the big boys are ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
60 1 pulling together in other countries. 2 MR. BOYER: Yeah, they're being built in Taiwan, , 3 in China, a lot of other countries, but they aren't being 4 built in the United States. It's a shame. 5 MR. CAMERON: All right. Thank you, Vincent. And 6 thank you, sir, for that question. 7 MR. WISE: I'm sorry about that. 8 MR. CAMERON: That's okay. And we have no, you 9- know, ideas what the energy mix of the future is that PECO 10 has in mind either. 11 Anybody else with a question? While you're 12 thinking about that I just wanted to apologize to the Delta 13 Borough. We scheduled this meeting on the same night that 14 they have'their Council Meeting. We didn't know about that 15 and I guess there is an important issue there. But I guess , 16 Mayor Rhodes -- is Mayor Rhodes here? 17 Hi, thank you for coming to the meeting. And 18 anybody else? Yeah, Michael. 19 MR. CODY: A while ago I visited Peach ' Sorry. 20 Bottom and PECO said they were considering extending the 21 life of Units 2 and 3. That was a possibility now. If I'm 22 wrong correct me, but if that's thL case, then matching this 23 2015 data and doing them both at once wouldn't seem to work 24 as well. 25 'MR. CAMERON: That seems like a fair question. ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
J I 61 1 Would one of the people from the NRC just like to just say 2, briefly what the possibility is for a utility to do to renew 3 their license just very simply and then we can ask Jerry to 4 4 address that specific question. But put' it in context for l 5 us. 6 MR. BROWN: Currently, the licenses for Units 2 7 and 3 expire, I believe, the year 2013, 14, and Unit 1, I 8 believe is about 2014, 2015 -- 2000, I'm sorry. 9 If PECO does request and the NRC does approve 10 license extensions for both Units 2 and 3, PECO is allowed 11 to. request a license amendment to extend the date for Unit 12 1. They have done that in the past. It would be a license 13 amendment request. The NRC does process these and if the 14 licensee makes the determination after they have -- if they ; 15 -- again, if they request a license extension and if it's 16 granted,.the licensee then can come in to try to correct its 17 paperwork if it wants to with respect to Unit 1, that would 18 be a license amendment request to extend the license date. 19 We would review it on its merit. 20 MR. CAMERON: Jay, do you want to add anything to 21 .that? Because I think you were talking about going on the 22 assumption that the normal course of business would be to 23 not renew one of the licenses after its 40-year -- you can 24 renew a license for 20 years, right, after the 40-year time 25 period. Jay? ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036
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, i i 62 1 MR. DOERING: Okay. First of all,-to the best of 2 my knowledge -- had an extension on the license -- renewed .
3 the license for 20 years. 4 MR. McMURTRAY: Calvert Cliffs ~has submitted for 5 it, but that's the only one. 6 MR. DOERING: One submitted for it, and we are 7 evaluating that for Units 2 and 3 as a business decision. 8 MR. CAMERON: And I guess just to clarify what Stu 9 said, if there was a license renewal decision made and the 10 NRC' approved that license renewal, then you would -- you 11 would factor in how you would treat the decommissioning of 12 Unit 1 in that context of the plants being operated longer, 13 and that might extend the decommissioning decision. 14 MR. DOERING: That would be correct and the 15 benefits which I talked about on the land -- 16 MR. CAMERON: Yes. 17 MS. ADAMS: If that extension is granted, do you 18 need an extension in order to keep and increase the fuel rod 19 storage in the above-ground pools? Because the pools are 20 there new, and will-ycu need to extend the license in order 21 to keep those pools there and to add to it? 22 MR. LEWIS ~: Yeah. 23 MR. CAMERON: This is Steve Lewis again. 24 MR. LEWIS: I'm glad you remember who I am. The 25 way I understand the plan that PECO is proceeding with, with l ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. , Court Reporters L 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 ! Hashington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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NRC approval of a particular vendor's design of a spent-fuel 4 design cask arrangement. That requires -- that type of 5 approval requires that the licensee in this case, PECO, 6 continue to have a Part 50 license for their facility and so 7 there would indeed have to be an extension. There would 8 have to be an extension of their Part 50 license beyond the 9 current date for reasons of Part 50, but also that would 10 enable them to continue to make use of the so-called 11 " general license" which is something under Part 72 of the I 12 NRC's regulations for the storage of an on-site or adjacent 13 l to site spent fuel storage installation. l 14 MR. CAMERON: Okay. Thank you, and if anybody 15 need further clarification on this after the meeting NRC 16 staff will be here -- Jay and his staff will also be here. 17 If there are no other questions I would just thank 18 all of you for coming tonight and please, if you do have any ! 19 questions, call us. And I would thank the NRC staff and 20 also thank Jay Doering and his staff for their work on this
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,. t 64 1 follows what she was saying -- and what you were saying also 2 that all of us really are notified -- and like you also , ,
3 said, that -- in the paper. Even though I'm a resident 4 here, I should probably. But that's not a half bad idea 5 about incorporating something in the bill. Like she said, 6 we get a bill every month.. And the bill would only -- 7 residents or to the people who buy which would be concerned 8 about what's going on. 9 MR. CAMERON: Well, that would -- I think -- thank 10 you, and it's Karl, right? 11 MR AY: Karl, yes. 12 MR. CAMERON: Yes. Thank you. I'm sure that PECO 13 has a public communications effort on all of this. I don't 14 know what sort of information trailers or whatever they have 15 about the plant. That would be something for them to 16 I consider and I think that, you know, obviously they heard 17 the suggestion. So they can consider that. 18 We will consider trying to -- any meeting that we 19 have to cast as wide a net as is feasible as we talked about 20 before. 21 Yes. 22 MR. RAFTOVICH: Putting the notice in the bills 23 would only target one specific area and that wouldn't 24 satisfy the notification requirement for everybody in the 25 area. ANN RILEY & ASSOCIATES, LTD. Court Reporters 1025 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 1014 Washington, D.C. 20036 (202) 842-0034
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