ML20148E792

Commission Determination Releasing Transcript of Commission 790808 Meeting,Afternoon Session,In Washington,Dc.Pp 1-35

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12 The Commission met, pursuant to notice, at 2:15 p.m. . ,

( 13 BEFORE: l-l 14 DR. JOS'EPH'M. HENDRIE, Chairman  ;

15 VICTOR GII,INSKY, Commissioner I

16 RICHARD T . KENNEDY, Commissioner i

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18 JOHN F. AHEARNE, Commissioner ia 19 PRESENT:

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3L .we kick-off. . Itt order- to ge t Dircks. and Eisenhut back to 4- . work and stop this Lollygaggingv around downtown, why don't 5 we ne ar w ha t their ' propositionEis on the NR'R-NMSS trades?

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7- MR.'EISENHUT: We ' have go t a duet.

8 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: You got back in time. I

-9. 'tbought Dircks was going to speak for you.

- 10 MR. EISENHUT: He just delegated it.

-I 11 MR. DIRCKS: I got all those . laughs before. I 12 decided to come back. .

13 MR. EISENHUT: I gave him an of f er he couldn't

(' 14 refuse. What we did was, what we think we can do is 15 accomplish a transf er in toto of all of the saf eguards work 16 t ha t is in NRR into NMSS October i st this year, two months, 17 seven , weeks f rom now. .

16 CHAIRMAN HENDRTE: Okay.. What -- w ha t we pro po se 19- to do in that is -- and I don't have my cryptic notes, so I 20 will do it f rom mamory -- the work basically goes over to

.21 NMSS. We would be transf erring three personnel, three staf f -

22 f rom NRR to NMSS. That would mean it would have .a total of 23 seven personnel working on the se. tasks. As that same 24 package, NRR keeps three people working as a coordination 25 func tion in the interim here to make sure everything is 1

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3 f or all communications be tween the NRC and the utility will 4 be the NRR project manager. That will insure that it adds 5 that extra f eature in there to insure that the things going o on with respect to saf e ty are orchestrated with the 7 saf eguards things to the poin t whe r e there is not a conflict 6 built in.

9 W ha t that in eff ect means is that we will be using 10 pieces of projec t managers on saf eguards. We estimate at 11 the inital outset for both operating plants and OLs, two 12 addi tional man-ye ars . So that adds up to about 12, a total 13 of 12.

( 14 { low , if you took those numbers and put the 1.4 15 factor on it that NRR has in its budge t, that is no t to comple tely dif f erent than the number that's been allocated 17 -- that NRR had in its budget to start with. In addition is 16 another factor to consider. Tha t is that three of the staff 19 t ha t already had been in NRR working on saf eguards have 20 recently been moved to work on emergency preparedne ss 21 anyway. We robbed that some time ago. So that we get on 22 with that. In fact, they are . heads of three of our task 23' groups are starting to visit sites and going out next week.

24 The basic principal is to insure that there are no 25 problems. The focal co in t communica tion to and f rom the

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L3 ".1 4 MR . " DI R CKS t -- No.. I think what' we do too is in the 15 intari- figure:out Lthe schedule 'f or the. various OLs coming:

?tt up for hearings. . I don't nknow whe ther we have any or not.

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'l " Me ' ha ve , f or othe r' ma tters we cwill. Just pick -.up - the sc hedule,  ;

'o that NRR ha s proposed -and ge t incorporated their char ts, 4L - blue 1 books' and uthings like 'tha t. .

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10 MR. EISENHUT Ple basically view'it as, you know,  !

4 11 the NRR project manager knows on an operating plant what -_the J schedule needs to oe to make . the hearing, for-example, on 13' Salem II that is coming up later this-year. So'the NRR '

14 project manager -se ts the schecules, lays out- the i 15 requirements and NMSS dos s the, quote, technical' job, in 16 this case, safeguards, shoots it back to NRR, who looks at I

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lY MR. DIRCKS: That portion of the SER that deals 20 with saf eguards we prepare and provide the witnesses for the

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22 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Yes. Sounds like a reasonable-(23; p ro po s'i t ion .

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2- With regard to ' the NRR _ decision unit .and safegu'ards, t he '80

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5 MR.-EILENHUT Se ve n . The value we were figuring  ;

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7- ' CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Which is three in the 8 coordina tion saf e ty 'f unction, equivalent of two man-years of _.

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10' MR.'EISENHUT: Tha t' is right.

11 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: For the utility contact and 12 coordination. Then two f or the inevitable overhead 13 component. So in '80, instead of 16, that would drop to -

'14 seven. I assume that would then continue flat.

15 MR. EISENHUT It should, yes, sir.

l.o CHAIRMAN HENDRIE All right. 7 17 MR. EISENHUT Bill has asked, we are transferring i 18 three of those positions, three individuals, to NMSS. So 19 three of those 16 are being transf erred to NMSS.

20 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Let me see.

21 COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: Now he's going to find out 22 the real point of the exercise.

23 MR. EISENHUT Exactly.

24 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: So minus.11 people to come down ]

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2 '- -.CHA IR? TAN : HENDRI E : Nine.. We'.1,-and then nine and i

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'4- in '80. You ' had a change of technical . assistance work in 5; A E. . I '.will leave -i t' to che. of ficers and controller to

6. straighten out- trading between offices on that.

Fo r ' 81, I j 7 would assume tha t this leaves' NRR with no need for technical 8 . s uppo r t ? -

LY MR. EISENHUT: Tha t i s correc t.

10 CHAIRMAN'HENDRIE: -But t ha t the 700 that EDO mark-II  ; had had to cover this ought to. go to. NMSS along with --

12 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: You had said minus four in 13 '81.

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16 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: Yes. i 17 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: I was running it against a base 18 of '16, '80, counting in eff ect the '80 supplement is minus 19 nine; brings i t to seven and no ' change in '81. That drops .;

20- my MoR people totals by --

21- . COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: Can I ask a cuestion? .,

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., 24 -a ssumec- it could be handled by seven. They have tran sf erred

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23ci Oi C6 7 an i di sagr eemen t then between NRR and you, t ha t they did not 2 belle a seven could handle it?

3 MR. ENGELHARDT: Norm, do you recall cnat one?

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5 out years, the seven was not predicatec on any additional l

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7 transf e rrec in FY '81. The seven was simply our 8 understanding of a reduced workload for NRR in those out 9 years. That was the basis for our mark.

10 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE With regard to NRR totals, it 11 tnen looks to me like my '80 supplement column, which is 12 where I would do this, recogni:es this shif t, s ho w s , instead 13 or now change in people in the '80 supplement, the

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• 14 equivalent of minus nine, bringing the office total for end 15 of '60 to 716. Then no c hange in --

lo COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: That is where you pick up 17 the minus fcur.

18 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: But it makes my plus 46 go to il plus 53 for '81. I had a minus five.

20 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: That is right. You hadn't 21 carried anything there.

22 CH AIRMAN HENDRIE: In the '81 column I had minus 23 five to reflact the 16 to ll.

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'6 ' COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: I know, but if.your number 7 -- itL de pends upon the basis.

6. ' CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Oh. The 773 end of '81 to tal ,

9' in' .the of fice goe s to '769. -

10 . COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: That's it.

Il CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Sut the apparent plusage in '81' 12 .goes to 53. Let's see if that adds.

13 COMMISSIONER AhEARNE: Yes, it does.

( 14 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: 716, add 53, I come up . co 769, 15 which is where we wanted to be. 769. And the technical 16 assistance total drops by 700,000 in '81. 26,000,073. Am I ,

17 ge tting nods f rom people? Now, we have .to go see what we de 18 to NMSS, where this f alls into the saf eguards physical 19- ' protection thing, right? Can you make it?

20 COMMISSIONER KENNEDY Take care of that?

21- COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: We really -

22 CHA IRMAN -HENDR I E: Okay. Add the people and 23 dollars in NMSS to the physical protection, right? );

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'4- COMMISSIOSER KENNEDY: I. think. i tu is usef ul to t t 5- have a one-line statement in .each of the presenta tions -

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.7. where the.numoers really are. . A 11 ttle disposal problem.

8 CHAIRMAN'HENDRIE: . Bu t. then f or '81,~ why, NMSS L 9 ge ts plus .tnree, , plus ,, I con'ts know . wha te ver' the overhead 10 . i s.

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14 MR. EISENHUT No, mine usually comes out 45.

15 CHA'IRMAN HENDRIE:- Okay. 5o we have done that.

16 Let us turn to I&E. .fhank you very much.

I/ AR'. EISENHUT .Can I interrupt Just one second, ,

18 please, on a very short note? . Th is is a matter of 'l .

19 inf o rma tion. Nonbudgetary item. The question is can it 'be j

'20 done. Have to inform you ' individually before you go 3 21 fleeting-out. .

22 ?le issued Beaver . Valley's order following all 23- your concurrences. The-pre ss release is going out today. .  !

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6 'So there.is, the plant is oeing held up pending 7 'anothe rycomple t ely dif f erent' ---

'S .ColG4ISSIONER KENilEDY: . Held down?-

9 MR. EISENHUT: Held up from operation. Held 10' 'down.

11- i 12- COMMISSIONER AHEARilEt lihy are you -

'l3 MR. EISENHUT Because when I called the office, 14 'the order was on its way. Otherw ise , the -- 1 15 COMMI SSIONER AHE ARNE: 3ecause l't -- I 16 MR..EISENHUT The letter on tne' order with i i

17 respect to'alge' o raic summation says they have satisfied the ,

18 .o rde r. It doesn't say they can start up the plant.

19 The re is a totally nonrelated issue that we .first 20 1 earned about that the licensee is coming in. to. t e.11 us tht 21 he just found, some questionable qualitified components. l 22 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE Treat it assis necessary. -!

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l 1 COMMI SSIGNER AHEA AciE I would ha ve thougnt the 2 pre ss release would be substantially diff e rent. The main

'3 point of the pre ss rslease is that the olant is not coming 4 up.

5 MR. EISENHUT: That is exactly right. I trust 6 the press release will. I haven't s een it yet, out it is 7 being modifiec.

8 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Good. Go on.

9 MR. EISEJHUT: Thank you.

10 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: I&E, I whacked away on 11 numbers looking first of all et the --

12 COMMI SSIONER GILINSKY: I am listening. I do n' t 13 know about others. ^

14 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: All of a sudden, I lost the 15 whole board.

16 COMMISSIONER KE?iHEDY: It may be that we a ll 17 think this is a concluded i ssue.

13 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Trying to get a grapple on how 19 one phases into these programs and 1. coking at the one 20 unit-one person acproach, which was a majority position 21 yesterday, but I also looked at an N, not le ss than 2, N 22 greater than 2 approach to see what it looked like .

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6' people like.that'. . And there .is a training group .whose present; strength _is of. the order of .14' and I: gue ss most .of i 3l those are. concerned withithisl program. &

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16 COMMISSIONER AHEAR;iE s Overhead is about 33 17 percent when you put in both training and -

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3 have got 68 active als on 47 sites. The 47 sites are 4 covered in the cresent resi.'ent progrun authorized and 5 already underway. That leaves you 21 unit s , you know , extre 6 units in a sanse. I f /ou. ;c f o rw 3 r .i t o 'il, we will have 7 something li!;u .. sites and 100 o r 10d either OLs or so 3 close to uLs tnat you would like to have 3 person the re.

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10 COMMISSIGHER 3RADFad.D: tie are going f rom 40 to il how many?

12 COMMI SSIONER KENNEJY: 63. 17 sites.

13 COMMI SSIONER BRADFORD: To 68 sites?

I 14 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: 70 sites.

15 COMMI SSIONER BRADFORD: iwo yea rs ,

16 COcAMISSIaciER KE.'iiiE )Y: lita 100 ani how many 17 reactors?

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19 doesn't it? Am I misreading my numbers? l 20 MR. DONNELLY: I would only take a guess here 1

21 that the 47 sites. relates to today. Two years, to 'Si. So, 22 you are looking at twc years' worth of growth in those  !

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24 COMMI SSIONER BRADFORD: It still seems high.

'25 MR. DONNELLY: 108.

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I VOICE: I don't know about enose numoers. I am I 2 trying to track'r.ere. I' am not up with enem.

• In our calculations, at the end of 3 MR. DONNELLY:

4 fiscal Si , there were 93 units witn operating licenses and 5 15 pre-op. That's where our figure is derived.

5 Co.'.tMI SSI ONER KE.'INEDY : And you are sho'Itn; 95 at 7 the.end of 1930.

d M R . DO NNELLY : That is correct. Acout 33 at tne 9 end of fiscal 9.

10 COMMI SSIONER BRADFORD: dow, 98 at the end of JI '80, how many -- how many of those are prs-op?

12 MR. DONNELLY: S i x t ee n , S2 operating.

13 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: Why wouldn't you nave at

( 14 least .114 at the end of '81? Might they still de a year 15 away?

16 No, I am sorry. Okay. But, so, you would have 17 those 16 coming on in '81, plus siven or eight more?

IS . MR . DO NNE LLY : Not all 16.

19 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: If they are close enough 20 to be considered pre-op, shouldn't they 'o e coming on within 21 the.next year?

22 COMMISSIONER AHEARdE: These numoers have 11 --

23 MR.. THOMPSON: 18 less in two years.

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j 12- My tho'ughtL is maybe we- could ask Norm. to go get- l 13 ~t heLnumbe'rs on the telephone.. .Then we can get oncend-talk 14 about some thing sensible.

15 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE I wan t e'd to go , t o pa ss on 16 beyond this .o a. place that I think is more informative witn F

17- regard to lookingist these things. You know,.you can argue 13 or we. can get the numbers and. then 5 ee whether w.e l i'<. e t h e m .;

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20. But.what I a.ttempted to do was look out and see

.21 what the asymptotic program was like. The reason I did is

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4 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: Fair enough. .

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I 6l in another decision unit that the. reactor operations group',

l l 7 whatever that is. Okay. On the one unit-one person scheme.

8 which you favored yesterday, the asymptotic staffing on that.

9{l has to come.out at about 240.

10 That is, you need 160 people for 160 units, and about 35 l 11 i more'for overhead plus 25 training, 238, and I am not going i

12 l to dicker about two people on this kind of calculation.

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( 13 COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: 241, his number.

14 CRAIRMAN HENDRIE: I regard that as concurrence.

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21 And it sounds to me rather as though one unit-one person then, 22 you know, sort of the authorization is practically in hand.

23 Now let me see if. I can convince you of the merit of the  !'

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'7 COMMISSIONER.AHEARNE: Yes, N not-less thanitwo. 3

'8 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: - I-don't have'it, but we can

!9 ' probably get'to'it'preety; fast. Let me teJ.1 you'what the N' 1

10 l . not less-than two comes out. -It comes out 300. 'About-60 more I

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I 13 ' CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Going all the way would'be 14 something like another 40 or 50. Because what you'would --

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16 i CHAIPMAN HENDRIE: Yes. What you would be'doing

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8 at least the N no't less than two'. plan would be that you could 9

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10 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: Of course there you are i

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i COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: Than where you are spending IIf ,

I3 i 'twice as much time --

U -CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: 'As the two unit.

• A' COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: As the two unit.

2I ' CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Yes, I think that is --

22 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: Pardon me, but no matter how l

1 23j you constructed all of these it would be --

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3 .COMMISSICNER GILINSKY: .Well, unless you'put --

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-4 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: Two at every plant.  ;

S MR. .STELLO: N-plus one.

6 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: No.

7 COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: I don't think it.is really 8 tio because.the site inspector presumably deals -- so I don't 1

9 know that you have to duplicate him.

10 . COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: N plus one tends to imbalance >

. ' ll slightly with the lower number of plants. The larger the 12 number of plants, the more dif fused the guy's responsibility

( 13 simply because the site is bigger. There are more site aspects'..

14 MR. STELLO: True.

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i 17i COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: Yes, that's right. That's j is right.

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t MR.. STELLO: Yes. If you set the policy, we can I? {

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, 21 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: And come back with the numbers.  ;

22 Which, because we are getting perilously close' to- falling 23 l apart, why, I would suggest that we -- let us know as soon as 24 ' -

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'7' numbers an open decision unit, okay, nevertheloss, by virtue 8 of the 146 coming through in the law, I think we are sort of 9 covered.

10 That is, I don't see any way for the '81 number. based on Il this decision unit to sort of get out' of hand and 'come' out I

12l with a large request, if any.

13 COMMISSIONER AREARNE: Possible. Depends on what l Id you think would be a .large request.

15 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Well, for instance, if we decided 16 l on N not less than two or N plus one which would require -- I I7 j COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: I think we are sufficiently c

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9' CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: That is right. That is the 146 to people that have to be sorted out between the littis groups 11 ! of training-and operations.

12 ' COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: The theory of these, as you

[ 13 ~ put more people in the construction side and inspection on 1.1 sites, it is not a one for one. trade. .But there ought to'be 15 ' some construction inspection side which comes out. ..

16 ; COMMISSIONER GILINSKY: I would think so.

U{ CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: That sounded right. I think.I; '

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17 q COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: He's talking about regional-

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22 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: You sure don't get one for one.

1 23 " COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: I'am sure'it isn't one for .!

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i 4 I don't think that is go ing to os the and f undament al change.

5 So, for those reasens, I am still sticking with 5 the -- what I would cell a true unit insoector progr?.m. one 7 per unit.

l 3 CHAIRhtAN HENDRIE: Dick.

9 Co.:.N I SS I 0 DER KE M4ED :': Well, I do n' t think we have 10 reached the end or ultinate conclusion on anything, e ither.

Il Neither, however, do I see anything in the se steps , e ven 12 including what I believe we ought to do, which is N plus 13 one, as inconsistent with any kind of'en ultimate program we

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15 Indeed. I think that in moving in that direction, 16 we will f acilitate any basic changes we want to make in the 17 program without measurable dif ficulty by naving im ore people 13 looking at a wider variety of issues on a more regularized 19 basis is going to ge t us , I think, in a position to make some 20 of th ese changes, whatever their shape may be, more quickly

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24 road, therefore, our-concluslons ought not be seen as the l 25 final ones nor adve rt.ised as such.

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2 CO2tISSIONERGILIriSN: I tnink eventually the H r' 3 plus one scheme , when ' we dec ide -- ( inaudible) I would,

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$ the people out, a diff erent wey of handling tne regions.

7 looking for tasse economies tnere --

3 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE Or f uture requests for ?ersonnel.

> Secause things will adjust as we go do vn the line. I wouldn't l]' f eel a need, for instance, that the '31 request contains a Il request for authorization for the total as even to asymptotic 12 program, cecause that just stretches out.

13 You know, it's going to be ten years or more.before

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15 CO MMISSIONER AHE ARNE : I was looking f orward to tnat 16 phrase in the letter that we had now planned our assumption 17 on no new plants.

13 I thought that would be a catchy sentence.

19 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE8 I tnink as a basis for taking 2] the cut at this program.and helping to understand conversion 21 f rom construction residents to coereting residents , thy, 22 I think it's a useful concept.

23 I vote for N, not less N two, because, as /10 22 says, it is an inte rmediate proposit ion. One could in the 1

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5 CO MMI55EP.!OJ AHE ARNE : That is part of nv problem i because 'I don't belle ve that i s -- I wo u l d g ue ss that we are 7 not going to and up that way.

d I think we are going to end up with a lot more.

9 Different, more intensive involvement. I think there will oe IJ another direction in the training system.

11 CHAI.-htAll HENDRI2 : peter, you have to choose onetic 12 unit-one personi N not . ass than twoi or ;f plus one or the 13 options at the moment. Listen, ever since Ted Taylor .before C 14 hollered at me because the trenscripts didn't show a lot of 15 numerical detail in our discussion, why, I have been looking 16 for ways to introduce phrases like this.

17 itR . l.105 LEY : You ou;ht to get it r ight this time.

13 CHAIRMAN HE;IDRIE: I am not sure that is nacessary.

i? Just a lot of numoers.

20 C0kHI5SIONER 3RADFORD: .I plus one is a pnrase 1 21 think i better understood. Vic described it as goin; a.ll the 22 way.

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16 CO MMISSIONER AHEAANE : As fer as'the asymptote you 7: ' might mention,' which is one of the possibilities, it's .a 9' 24-hour a -day someone in the control' roon.

? COMtISSIONER KEU'.lEDY: 'No. fhat is a diffe rent. -

10 th at- is going all the way.

11 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: No . do. The re are futher-12 steps. ,

13 COMNISSIONER KEbHEDY Not in inspection.

.( 14 CO MMISSIONER AHE ARNE : I said NRC involvement. ,

i 15 COMMISSIONER KENNEDY: We are talking about 16 ins pec t ion.

17 . CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Thet is four N plus one, John,. or 1-3 maybe.five.

19 COMMISSIONER BRADFORD: When Vic used the phrase, 20 he used it in conjunction with adding another 50 people or' so.

21 I think that really was N'plus one. No, I agree'

-22 with the not-less-than-two f ormulation.

23 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Let u.* adopt that as a planning ba s e.

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5 -COMMISSIONER KE?NED(: There is one place where i

6 I doubt that will occur, and I tnink it will os this one.

7 CHAIRMAN HElDRIE: . low --

3 CO MMISSIONER XE iMEDY : If it does, if it gets 9 beaten to death in this area, that "i s go ing to say something 10 about a basic policy f eud.

11 CHAIRMAN HEdDdIE: cihy don't we scan the ItE ,

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'fic continues to be of the view that he sure would 15 like to have some extra nanpower in headquarters stcf f to 15 help with the menagement of the resconse center.

17 I think, Jonn, yo u we r e inclinea tnet way vesterday.

13 C0!S4ISSI0 DER KENdED(: I agree.

I? CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: He egrees. Your recuest was 20 six. You want to keep it six or juggle it a li.ttle ?

21 C0!SdISSIONER KE:UEDY: I thought we agreed 22 yesterday, hadn't we? -

23 CHAIRMAN HE:iDRIE: I tnink we def e.rred a decis ion.

24 COMM ISSIONE.R AHEARNE: I thought we had. ,

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6 CHAIRMAN ME;IDRIE: I los right down- the line. . Mait 7 a minute. I hava. to writs tnase down.

3 CDMMISSIONER .:ENNEDY : Actually I think he enjoys 9 this..

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12 MR . BARRY: In the supplement.

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16 MR. 3 ARRY: Right.

17 CHAIRMAM HEJCRIE J29 plus.

13 MR.fBARRY: Fuel facility. No thing on the f i

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20 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Yes. (

21 MR . ? A RRY : One hundred seventy-four in '91. - [

22 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Okay. s 23 MR. SARRY: Deferred reactor operations and i i

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[- 3i COMMISSIOdER KEIC4EDY 2 Is toere eny possibility we j 41 could 'iny,*st mayba S4 in a f use :for the a'ir-conditioner  ;

i 5 machine?.'I'am not adjusting . this t.emperature below 73. I- l 5: Jus t wondered if we could get it down that f f ar.- l 17 CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Yesterday. I 'vould have agreed

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22 , CO MALISSIONER AHEARNE : I would like to see it -]

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24- CHAIRMAN HENDRIE: Obviously the sooner the be.tter. .;

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