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E Ucw, could you explain to me rhat thct repre- ~ sentc? 7 A (Witness Jchne) Are you addrescing me? E G Mr. Hamilten, would it be better for you to i 9 address this er Mr. Willinghara, sir ce. 've esked yor, questior.s 10 already?

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j 'o better. I A (Witness Hamilton) I think ve should have i 14 Mr. Willinghara eddrcas this. I '1 "" t MR. NCRTON: Mrs. 3Owers, cxctn e me. When we are into the FSAIt ar.d specific sections, 'I2 these gentlenen have apecific duticL ac t tm different i i O cections, 1, of cource, 6ca't know which cae worked en which I9 one. But if we could have the questien identified as to what 5 20 it is directed at, then the cpproprictc person can answer 21 and we don't have to play, "who's got the ball," each time. { >R. PLEISCIIAKEF,: Wall, for ftture references, 23 ( just co we understand where we crc on this -- in this "who's I 24 got the ball", ga$re, for this pansl I d.cn't n:ind that. But j l D for other panels, I will rccurrect my objection regarding h h

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i 4701 t' a-mpb2 l' I Q Could you proceed, Mr. "Willingham? I ~ A (Witness Millinghra) All right. n 24 The linea have been drawn on this diagrr2 cn b i 4 y the basis of the centinuity and the Emplitude of the reflect-(- l' 5' ing horize.ns. The post ',:isconsin sedimentation ic generc11y, 6 in the terns cf Mr. Fleischtkcr, n bit more &coustically j 7 transparent than the underlying material. S That necnc thst the cmplitude of r aflections i &I thEt one viewc in the post-Wisconsinian material is lower t O' than the amplitude of reflecticn that is viewed in the l 11 underlying nJ_terihl. In interphating this record, the rc-12 cord wa.s viewod trd c dictinct line of high amplitude re-15 floction vis seen across roughly tho middle portion of the I t 14. record The dark uavey line drcwn though that tres therefore i I 15 is inte prctsd to be tu, intcriace between the poorly con-16 solidstod cedimant,. post-Uieconsin sediments, and t'c hardar 17 ba.tt.cr consclidated sedinu ss represcating the underlying l 15 G3 terit 1 = I 19 The vertical line dividing the two roughly I t 20 rectangulcr arsac lthaled A2 was based upon the. tern.ination 21 of the upward conve;: rafic.ctions visable on the western 22 sidc, cr on the Icft aida of ths rccord. Such terminations 23 frequently rspraccat tha proccaca of a fcult. ,u 24 Ilouever, it chould he pointe.d out that unen i 25 j vicWing this kind of high resolutien cub-bettom profilc, ) ,e, r'

3 4702 l 1 mpb3 1 thrupt :?.rmination of underlying baddtag can bis caused by l 1 2 nicor ch::.nges in the near-surface lithology, For instance, l 1 I 3 if a snall thin layer of gravel that might not rand;.ly show. 4 were pres st within the pest-Wisconsinian, it could suffic- '~ 5 icntly disrupt uhe input wavo fol.T generr.ted by the source, 6 which is a very weak wave form, suffiziently to prohibit 7 enough energy from passing through that horizon to reflect C off undcrlying strata that mcy be continuous. 9 0 What's the point cf all that, that last two or 10 throc centostsc about tha lithology? 11 A To try to give you a full view of the principles, 12 involved in interpreting such records. r 1.3 0 Well, I sea here that'this uavoy lino sort of l t k 14 separates the s6dimentary mettrial frcn the underlying l 13 matariti, and tho uavcy linc Etove it is the pect-Wiscencinianlj i 16 unteriLis, is that right, the sedimentary materials that I 17 Dr. J6lms and I werc ttiking e. bout? 1 18 A Pdght. 19 O And the straight line that goes up through the 20 middle here is the fault, correct? 21 A The deep fcult? 22 ' O It' represents a fault, 23 A A fault. 74 C All right, 73 And it says here, dO*.a in the third santcace: h

,1 .' 9. 4703 d 1, L 1- 'l - r-Inpb? ' "Tna fault does n:,,n dintu.-b the post-f; F 1 j$ ' Wisconsin unconferaity, the ovelying 20st-- t ~ h'isconrin sectic:., or tac cr.1 ficar." I i A Correct. 50 Q Thtt was the intarpretction? o ' I A That ca.s the intepretation., 4 O Oke.y. 3 G.I ,I Donc the.ocnel htv2 a copy of the 3Ea excuse t

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A Ho, us don't. z p.c -v n u.v.e nty n,rs.,. pw-p-, y u.. g.,.. g.. ..si g+,. r g u i did nct cor.a preptrod to havc acon copics of the i:ER cad .':t the FSAR, cnd I'm corry. But I thought ve'd have rufficient H. 14 'i copice of that. i Could uc m.ko onc copy of the SCR tvcilabis.? E.R. MGRTON: 1:st 2 Ett, ercin, if ycu8 rc go.nc tc ura figurer, i i 3, cyc0ific figuras to ach ques'd.cnc from, there is n way in p the world ec c:n have sufficient copice of the FSAE for tho o h l- + Board cnd all the attorneys and everybody to look at he.re. + n j: MR. I'ISISCHAKER: Okay. 1 This is text., I t I ER. NonTCH: Wall, the S3R was prepc. rod by the (~ h' S sff., I nesum: thcy have en entra copy the.rc thtt they could. Pass tc thn pr.:a.1 uhile uc'rc lo:. king for our copy. i t' $s 4 m***- f Wv-ge y-yg-F-n my'- r+=g- -e wei-ev m-w p-m.-Wv-g v'g-et -gw igwery me y +r'yw-Tv-ev yO f w m 1P-91' W g-Ow1v9uwt4-g' F-es-me w'M

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4713 9 to obje:t no Mr. I'1cischaker's contir.ucily rephrasing in hir-ob5 a 0 ll own wordc crier testinonv cnd Gavinc "Is thr t Osrre:0?" y \\ ^ q ? C.e very rrobicm-By thr.t L*.ruOr hc said hs h utan't sure w2..;.t hc WoL saying. It ob'fiot.sl'f then wasn' t ( t ij vh t he testified to. r oy s- {. I 6.on ' t undcra tcnd why h a can ' t j us t a:Th a ques-i 1 l tion instead of continu lly rephrtsing, in his ofn language, r !! prior testimony and then caying "Is that correct," and then o I I c. h on cour.co later cei;ing on one nord that's different than it 5 P eu uns bcfore. l iIf IG. PICISCHIJER: P,r. Mercon has been c.ro".nd .In. 6

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do that in order to explcin to the n'.tneco wherc you are. y la ( .., nl If I'm inco:~cetly stating his testinony, then I would trust v! the witnocs could correct the-- I'm certainly nct trying si .,,..) to lecd this witnest. t Y 1"JG. BOERS : Ueli, r.hc Incrd h c no problem uith b py the way you're proceeding, Mr. Yleischahor. L U ,& <j BY lin. FLEISCHAIER: - t C' uld you please explain the phenomenon of 0 o 20 II _ {! reverberation in the conte::t of this slide? v 1' A (Mitnes: Willingham) This ic not c cocd one to ,,2 1 c - 1 ,,,, ll do that vith because it does not chew any reverbarktion. (. "' }il' 4d Q Do fou _ have a goed slide for that? t 1 A I think we enn find one. ?S !l', l -y ,,.,,--,---.-w a ..-,3 ,, m.c gr e - w.. ,,yg e.y,e4-

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d Locrd thou? ': it would be useful to have Mr. Willinghnn give h

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j cartainly agrcc with Mr. Mortan that it's an undue burden e.

3 ti (. ] if you're gettinc into rcre than jucu a few clidcc. 1 0 I would tico like to ask pecple in the audience 15 f t t U ta be very 16 4., ~ care ful of conversctions. The acoustico in this i, y: room are such the.t even whispered conversctions bounce M around and will muhe it difficu2t for ut to hear E.5 for the IE, i N Espor' er to hear what's being caid in the proceeding. c ,5 4 6 WITNESS WILLINGHAM: Do you wich me to proceed? 20 1 MRS. BOC PS:

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BY FR. FLEISCl!IIER: l 1 3 C Well, would ycu ag2:ea that....Well, what was the significance of the middle line as you interpreted it? 7 Y. 6 ',- IG. NORTCN: E;,:cuse me. What middle line are we i i talking about"- I thought there vere only a north boundary 9 J' and c couth boundary. g MR. FLUIECIIMTR: Ea're talking cbout the middle l f line betucan -- Eoll, we don' t have anything in evidence here; I .c p s t so I'm not sura thic :aahes any conce at all. ( DR. IGRTI!!: Are you talhing about the original i-northe,rn boundt ry of the Trancition Done? MR. FLEISCFJCER: 7ec. I didn' t drau that lins. 1E i l VICEES JA!INC: AC thst line was drawn under l"I .i Mr. Hamilton'c direction and within the conte::t of ou-dis-13 cussicne earlier this morning, the basis was geonatric. It p i 20 1 was drawn at the scuthern end in offect of straight trends 1 'un 'fr.Ilts of the Coast Ranges Province. It was dratm as a i generci locus of the beginning of bends in those faulte I2 l L3 yl as traced southward and southeastward. c.. L~ As discussed yesterday, the. northern boundary j ,,aA J [j of the Trancition Zone represented a tectonic contiert, 3.-. - A ,ie' F B m-y a m 'sw r* e p=7"s 3-~t4 FM-g I
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.t i 4. { g imply lets denbt thc;i I hcd yesterdcy or than I hcVe today c4 ~ h in ny r.t:_na, I jur;. cton t know. u & ii 1, 0 So thecc forces raay usil be operating in the 7 'j con 2 10 milec north of the northern boundary of the transition p' .iI cone, .c indicates. en rigtrc 1G7 i C5 A I u uld not uce the term, "ncy uell be," : night 1 [. f i pocaibly be. I think the probtbil2.i" of c: hanging the posi ion t 1 11 l oft'.ttlinsinthefeteraiuicu. 2 's L poccibility, but c it'c c. icu prch;Sility. The important thing ic to recognize that in a k 14 , tectet.ic conta::t, tha linc as criginally drawn ic the northerly r 1 '} - in q cdac, in oii.cr werdo, tha fe:dout line or trans:. tion zone j l i 44 l' i influene:.. T.nd clu uncerainhv uc'rc talLing tbout is the c g # '. ' pocition cf the fr.5ccut. Mi' }c' ; O Oh:y. Lot's move back to seismic reflection. I .o l MRS. POWERS:
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4821 ,i i I <j If you ence.ine the plata, thct in, Plate 2-!!, you will notice eb4 t i 1 1 that therc are throz v ry closaly speccd linac rivan the r:. i 3,, derip;stien SCl S32, and S53 -- trying to cntand th2 area d l. 4i over unich thic scn.g w:s m pped. All of th :c effcrts f.iled j e il 5 p1 to loccte the ses.rp. l' 3 j!

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availchie to tio down. ( .i. p [1 iGS. 3.OhTRS : Well, let ma chock. f p Any chicction, Mr. Flaischa':cr? -c l 6 a t. [ i ,,,, ~, a 4635 tj a it mpbli'j! E. FLE'J.SCIGCEP.: No. il P 3j MlS. E7T:3RS: l'.r. Tourte.llott:.? In S I".R. TO'. COL ~ LOTiE: Mc. ( e HPS. 37.Tfn5 : 1%11, the dec.tn n: that y:n s pi 3 ; cescribcd, thca, uill bs physion11y inse.". cd in the tran-h 5 P.I seriet. t in 'l ~/ j, E. 1DnTON: Perheps it could be phycies.lly l E d' incerted as the last pace of today's tra coript. Thc.t way L S it could be oary to find for pacple, and that uay we'd have 1G P tinto to sct the cuffi.cient copi.cs to Mr. Bloom. i. U[ MRS., nOEnS: rine. e 1.0 0 BY ER. FLEISCP_?irIn: a i I: 1 13 ji O Let no nova on to the next family of fattuccc. 1 i i+ 14 1 hould you idtntify those instancca whc.ru you i a have inte pret3d cat ficor features as differentir.1 crosion? ufl 16 l; h Giittccc Willinghc.u? Tners c.ro c ntu'6ar of thoce if

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1 h t. \\ J 7 El t" +n ( I i i1 i i. ) i i .+, ...n., st 1,. 4S37 i a j. 3D egbl p A I don't recall :ny areas en this pcrticular plate ' d' 4% y vacre we hmrt interpretta faulting to disrupt tha pect-3Pl h'ir;consin. 4 I "R. N:'RTC1~ : Ercuce me, its. E,ouars. 5 ii I don't lincu where ra're going with thic because, 6 if it has been onca on a fault it can obviously happen again, 1 l 1 t i ! so yet caly have tc find it once, it's been found a couple of a i ,e!;, tires. E ll j. I just 6cn't understand there ell of this goes. ..v ,!! We've litcrally opant n%: a cotplc c. hours -- you found it j once, thct nacns -- it' c get 1cc al tes.nint. That's tehy we' re 4 i 8f Il' here. L 12 i 31cyb3 M. ?lcischcher ic going to havo n witness i

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But that doesn't j e \\ C* ') I' m:.ian anythin, s.c I und2rctcad it. L 're juct grinding this a" 1.: thing into the dirt. a 17 i: y MPE. 30.fER9: tir. ricicchaker, can you t all us a 4 where you're going? 10 MR. FL7ISCHA13R: Yes, it secmc to me that an s. 20 awful lot of the Applicant's cane rauta on the conclusions 21 that they'v:. drc.wn frem their sciamic reflection profiler, I, 22 ll ncnely, their cenelucienc that there'c only niner dicplacement f .v. 3 ' )andthatperm.itsthcmtoanycomethingcbcutthemcgnitude 24 ' or the probability that largo evente have occurr2d of fnhore 25 E on the Hosgri Pault, and also it permits them to date. So b 6 e n ey ,wws ma +- T g' i i: 4G38 i.i 1 agb2 ~ !:! the.y ht*;e'draun conclusions both with respect to likely size t ) 1 of evants tnnt have occurred and a date. s. And I'm e2;rmining the data upon which they draw ( those conclucions, and that data is primarily seismic reflection ~P profilo an: lyric. i e '. 1 BY MR FLEISCEM* R: 2 p i! O Your anrrer was thct you have -- that there is - P-3 no evidence, you hcVe no interpretations :.n thic map of Plate 2R cf f at.lts penebrating into the post-Wisconrinian ce.diments? 4 A (Uitnces Hi.tlingha:n) There is no place on this 1 .. a i c r.cp whe.re, in my judgment, vc h:v3 a situaticn similar to

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previously had uhcrc ve nr..d clenr-cut C.icruption of the post- ) 4 Wisc.:,ncin in Picta 1. 4 1 14 l {- 0 'iell E c you specificelly recalling any instEnces d 7' l a i where you mcy hcvc inferred c fcult pcactrating? .I mena, j t .4 l is thert, nnything spc.cific in ycnr nind7 a. ..a. } (~ ' }, A No, the reascn I'm putting the qualifior en is i ~ .1 not becaucc I hcVe rosething in m:r mind that your ucrds didn't 1 q l w j quite mctch, I'ra jn:t trying to be very explicit as to whct )

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I era answering 30 that it dou not r_ppear that I'm contrc-t: - j ]dictinymysc.lf*.ateron. Y 1E a. i MRS. EOC ES: McIl it cppears to m thLt I'm i e 19 ' i hearing the ocme question and the same ancwer over and over. 20! i ] Now it may be that you're dcaling with different 4 ?! j' pistes, different mcp: or different crs:3. e, j u } UITNES3 WILLII*3 HAM: Am I permitted to agree ,~ .l, trith that? I ~u' I ? ?. l (Laughtcr.J. a i c.. s k MP., PLEISCHAKSn: I just Mcnted to make sure we. ' i } 1 4 r-y ---+c-r,. 4 4840

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agb<: i had a nacting of tha minds. I 10.. UDPre;: We tay all be hcra 1cng cac.:gh to e . i; I ' '; see the Eig Bang and ths. Garloch. i t aI (Lcughtcr.) s h r EY KR. FLEIECE7J.TR: 6-t i t. O h Q Lot ne direct your attention to Figure lle 1:. !! Appendir. 2.5(e). I think that's in your testi:r.ony. p.. b IIR. NORIGi: May I ask if th.t's tha onc Wa put \\ up on the screen this merning with the niide? 9 K' HR. PLEISCEAITR: That's correct. 1 E l t'!, EritGSS UILLINGHAM: It's Firurs 45 in the I' t' o .,." 1 tacti:rony. F 8I j! PR. FLEISCHLI2R: Figt:.rc G5, right. .n. EY MR. TIZISCliLITF.: n l G Have you, in referring egnia here to the S3h. ii l i t' i Supplement ?, CF., I no'. the USGS hac gircn that a differenu .: interp ctr. tion frem yours. M' :l A (Witnce:E Hillingham) Yes, they have, a lf i .e j' Q Okay. 20 %~ hat is the UEGS interprotction of that? E l ~ ;i I believe they interpret that t.s showing a A 22 [ sec floor displacament.-- not sea floor _displaouacnt but, -l 23 ; rather, a post-Wisconsin displac uent, c 4.isplhecment of the 4 TIf post-Wisconsin defornity, f ' 5. 11 y Could you givo us the page of the E3n? - i- ., 4 t f 4841 P M .L agb5 h C C5. Zp 1 Cid yca discuss thic with the USGS, the parti- - + "d cular interpretation? 0 A It's rather vague in 1:.y mind, but it seems to .e i. ! me I reccll discussing this one with Holly Hagner. 0 0 Are there any other instances where you've had 7 discucsienc with USGS uhere they have interpreted a prcfile C. i-{j to dicplay either set flocr displacement or penetration into

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~J p!' a profile as revealing a fault in the sea floor surft.co and u 21 } 22 hl you disagreed? [ A (Witness Hamilton) I can't et thic time re:ncmber e o 23 1 l j the USGS having cpecified any faults in this region cs 24

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M. O How, can you identify specifically those profiles ! 4 ,,,.a.. .-...._...-a-N 4842 i 4 4 !d agb6 in 1:hich the USGS interpreted fcults to ponctrste to the e' " y pcst-Micconcinian sediments and you dicegreed? N A WhEn you ccy 'ponctrate to the Wisconsinitui ?. Dedi mLnt0, " most of the faults in the crec de that, that is, i= O thor 2 of the oldc:r roche c::te.nd up to the unconformity at c the base of the post-h'icconsinian section. And that's raore M a arttor of structural interpretation without the implication C of cge. So in come cases, the USGS structural intcrpretation J A hac differa conswhat from ours. O I'm tnlhing about pcnctration through that un-conforr.ity and into the sediments. u" e A I see. ~ would have to review a report that wan prepared <t ,g m '~ by Eclly Wgner in 1974. I *:emc Ser tbct he runde ecme inter-1 .x~,. prctaticne and it's my improcsion, at thir. peint, that we F didn't agree with all thorc interpretatione at to the post-

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J I A It's my present recollection that there were some t ll instances, aside from the one that we've just been discussing es represented on Figure 45. -s " j MR. NORTON: 1:xcuse me, Mrc 3ce;ers, agcin I f [uouldliketohavethisquestion, this lins of questioning r e3-4 -..e<<,.. - -,,,, 4543 fi agb7 ~ i.' [ pot infa proptr fr nauor%, This goes back to perhapr ,, i,, 2 1, -2iaar_ reannts theat havs been clarified by later work done b.v. ,.i ~ l both USGF u:0 ethorr in arofiling. Imd I'm not sure whether i 4 i 1 !L. Fleischz.ker's question is intended tc cover up to '.Ge i c" 'prc-sent or ras Jimited to the disagreements in 1974. I s f. The only reason I. say that is, I have scue 1 t vagua recollection that many of thcae disagrec:nants disappeared. : "n b wit'i further data oc11ection later. 4 Q 4. o l 7Y G. PLEISCHAlu::R: g"-il P> 3D you have disag'rsem2nts that continua to the ,1 1i 'l present with USGS int:,rprotorsi A (Uitnecc UEmilton) I've not been c'crare of a .tl detciled rcPort that includet illustrations of scisa.ic pro-t I s, "" l files having isert inzuod subboquest to the cn2 thct Holly , e c <4:agner di2 in 1974. I, .: a H The.t report was issusa in late summer of fall of I! g I 1 l '74, and it has not baan either withdrevd or modified to i l 0 i my knowledga nor ara I aware of its having been supplemented i i r 4 to ~ by any-other interpretations in the came area. 20 21 end3D t i 22 23 5 .s i I %A t h" 25 i .m. ~i .. -. -. ~.. - - - ~. _. - p 4 f34 4 1-1 l! O And that report has conclucions that tre different 3E ebl i l 2 ;i from the one that you'vc drwn. Is that c:rrect? S 2 A Hy racollection is tnat thero vers some dif ferences {' in ' reintirely r.f ncr details. It does not, to ray roco.'lection 4-l. 5' cgcin, present c substantially different picture of either n, 6.l the dictribatien of faults nor of the recency of tectonic .1 7 activity on these faults, or of racont breckagG, le t's SE.y. l It 1 i 5p Soma of the details in thct report differ from c j;, I the d3taile of interprctction that we have rande but the over-

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r- =_: ) 4M9 1l <d I 322 agbl-- MR. NORTOK: Same objection. Agcin the testi-B f 2 F . monv wcc very clear thtt it depends whe.rc in the syste: ail 4 k(i you're talhing c. bout. If we want a site cpecific, I havc nc j i k objectica whatsoevsr. but otherwise I objec". to the question. ; 5 l MRS. ECWEns: F2. Fleiscl.cJ;er, do you have any 1 6 objection to being more specific? 7 -) MR. FLEISOHA13R: Let me ash a differert question, i i 6 j }- DY MR. PLEISCHAIER: i 9 d C D3:. JcLns, are you aware, or do ycu have knculedg3 i 10 lI i d of ccrrelations thct have been done between nagnitude and t' 11 } l fault icngth for strike-slic fcultc? l 12 i A (h'itners Jahns) Yes, I do. 4 I 13 l' 0 Of what correlatiens are you auare? e 6 64 i [ A We'1 the classic scri.cs ic the one by Bonilla and i 0 1 1 ij Euchanon-Dunkt of the U.S. Geologi. cal Survey. Tncy have had j i 16 l J J eeveral passatc et campiling infantation fer both strike-slip 1 1 17 it,q and predomintatly di}-clip taults in whicl: they cttenpc tc 18 l make empirical correie.tions batween fault length and magnituda i 1 19 and between rupture icngth for a given earthquake and it's 20 magnitude. 1. 21 ~ Q And whnt.'s the data base that they're drawing 22 ' j from tharo? 23 i t A Very carefully analyzed records. 24 j Dy analysis in this instance I mean not merely 3 1 i . gs. t I casual reading of the literature, but a very serious attempt ~ .. a'q ,.~4.- ,.e. .w..- .~w+- . - - - = -. 'l <..h d 4950 i

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i 4 the wall of : garage, the Ocetter is considerablo. a; t ,c 1 l 0 UcVe Buchanon and Banks donc a main correlction? .a.. A fles, things of that kind have bocn attempted. 1 l .n.. ..__.-a--.- 4851 .a a u .T ngb3 Q i thinh I used the vrcng term, a regrescion .e. t j cnalycie. I know what you mean, yer, regresrion ar.alysis. ,,i f{ An riternative approach, of course, is to o 4Ch envelopo all of the data and take a En:imum, in order to be I e' i ~ verf conservative, to take scasthing at the margin of the i G t envalope. 7 This becomes very awkward -- this is addressed G' co your cucction about usefulnots -- when one approcches -" ;} a given prob 1cm frem one direction with an input of nainitude, q 3 ,,9 " li for e::ar.ple, to predict rupture length or something cf that 1 f scrt,and then approaches it from r.hc other direction trying 12' to get tagnitude fron one of the other para:csterc. i [ And because one is envelopint: something that's c d i <<l res11y a greet big area of a plot, the results are cracy [ Ul. r.nd Icads you to the tentative conclusion that tno whole t' works isn't vorth dcing. [ Q Is that a chcrt way of ca.ying that there is .t l uncertainty in the conclusions you ccn draw from that .t c regression analysis? .~,!f

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One could include that, yer, because there is i 1 'l f a tremendous sprend ir4 the date.. I 7.2 I e ^~ p s . I so s , fh 6 *9 25 a I. E a e . - - ~. 4852 1 ll 3F wb1 p, G .Do you htve any recollection as to the - as to .ij what kind of magnitude the Buchancn and Banks regrencion 2 a 4 4 3n analysic would Iced you to expect on average, given a 145 1. y I 4 k kilometer etrike-slip fault? l ( \\ 5 MR. NonTON: E::cuce me; I object, Prs. Bower. 6 We have no foundation here whatsoever to draw such a conclu- .l sion frcm that report. Again, we are not being site cpecific, i ? 8 There has been no foundation by this witness that he agrees a 9 fl with an ansvar frcm thtt report -- which I have no idta l n l 10 i what it is; that he c.greou that it cpplic.s to th Hengri i l l f Pault, or that he acress that you can apply it to a 1/.5-L. j 11 i t; length fault withcut further foundation of identifying 13 where you're uniking about'the fault being. 14 It's the same objection to the original question. 15 The past questions have not added to %c foundation in e.ny i 1e

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.I 17 j MR. ELEISCEAKEL: That objection I don'; think is i 16 [ well taken. Dr. Jahns may have an opinion as to why the 1o conclusions you would draw from thic correlation may or Inay 20 not be applicable to the Hosgri Fault. But Dr Jchns has gg testified that there has been a correlation between ~~ that 2.2 these researchers have drawn bctueen fau'.t length and magni-23 tude. The earthquakes are from strike-clip fault, the same a kind as the Hosgri. 3 And, in addition, the data base apparently is a. -.~., ,-e-.- I e - + - - e 4 P l 4853 [ e 1 l- .} P vb 2- .1 4;.substantiti. r Wht.t I tr'ecching.right now is whe.ther Lr..Tahne 34 i: tv.rarc of what theit.c2n valuc would ba, givsn a 145-Km il i 4j fruit for ths ungnitude ene could enpect on a strike-slip i d 5-l fault.if enc were to ccncult the Sonillt,, Buchunan-Eanks 3 regrecsion analysis. It scars te me that's c. perfectly / legitimcte question. g,; How if Mr. Norton ',;antz to refine that, or wants b T' t to dicered_: it, Tcnts to say dt's not applicable, he h:s 9 d. N plenty c f tir.e on r:diro~', to do titat, f-i t 7 MR3. 3 3'c.'ED.S : W cll, 10:. Ploic0haker, are 73u E I avoiding naT.ing-tais th2 Ecagri Pault for a spccific : c: son? s.. 0 k MR. E'LEISCiU.nER: Tho whole point of this is i3. r f.' e t s that you're trving -- the point of doins these kindo cf ) 4 i i i 1 i J c.nalyses ir that it it oftentiaec Cifficult no predict + i 3 l 3.y j for ~n rpecific fault. the maximum carthqur ko you can c::pect. ~ h. s .D So what ycu do, ycu consult et data cat, c inrge dntt nat. 2> 4 ji and you cty: on the nvarage if we had 15 faults of E atrihe-o ~ d. 3 j clip naturc 145 m: long, or what6ver, ve could expect to sac l 39 an earthquake of this size. That'c the kind of ana]ysis that's been performed'by Buchanan and Banks. Buchanan and 21 l. d Banke haven't analyced the Hosgri Fault; thev've given a c._, F I, regression analysis which relates to

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just stat =,6 my c' ection *'ren vell. 'B ar hw not studied cj t 1 L lf. the Hosgri Fcult. They're talhing chout a hypothetieni j j .1 3 Il fatit out there in the midd]e of naplace. And that makes it p p r 4 I'. not reltriant tc those prcOt.tdir.gs. 'Jhere's no foundction \\. \\ }i 5 lj for this question. Uc're hero to discuss the Socgri Pault.. t t [ 0 How'if therc's a specific fault thtt car. be 7 related that they want to ask Mr. Jahns'chout and compare 0 and say,'.lec, that fnuit in jtct like the HosgrJ., OnO ack I 9 I Mr. Jchnc if that inn't truc -- or Dr. Jc.hns, that's fine. !U 10 1-But we hvic some hyncthetical -?r. ult now nuddonly, a.6 there's i 1) no' foundation for it, tnd it's not relevant. i i: B 12 i MR. FLEISCr?,Kr.R: 7.ppc.rently it uac relcvsnt J i i n; j encugh, Mrs. LO.rcrc, for the UF;GS to cita in their appendix, ) ll \\ a Appendi:: C to St.:.rlenent 4. The.v. fcit that the correlation any.lycic thct h d been donc by Sonilla and Duchtnrn uns

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.16;j sufficiently r: levant to the conclucions that they were o. - jj. drcwine concernin-the ma::inun. carthqur:ke uctantial of the i il I e Hosgri to cito that refcronce epscifically in Appendir C to 4 m l, 19 Supplement 4. 20 MRS. BOWERS: !!r. Tourtellotto, vould you ccre 21 to comment? g; !IR. TOURTELLOTTE: I rac going to add that I 23 think we've been through this buniness on hypothctical 3 u, questions before. Imd the Icpeal Boe.rd bas nurken on it. r.0 Tnore muct be a relaticaship between the facts in evi ance and' = 'd' H- -,. a y. , ~, t 4S55 1 1 . c( s. i J l' vb4 1 'the hypothetical quartion thct it cchsd: that's th:: cimple' l f ,k. i I 2' i, 1 cgs'. ruls. It dcean't saca to me that.thnstrelationship i t ,T j hLD DE3h ICL$G hcCO "3D. y 4 41, While I understand Mr..Fleischaker's cor.mont 1 I 5i 1hOut COE13? como referenca to GOma Conillt repc.rt in the SER a t 6 i" seems to me that that's a cuestion he would unnt to ash of e r t I yj the USGC. Ducauce 'de don't know why they mado any referance [ l!! l to it, Ltd Photh s they,mais referenco to it bOcauso they P n rt; w upcn

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u .,.7 1 F 4 o -+J s., c,. a T h. l g The se:cnd fact is timt we're talki, about a l i 20 ;, fault 145 hilencters in length. t .i Both of those fucts are directly aeolicable to ? 21 + t 1 1 the Hosgri. Given thonc two facts, the hypothetical is y c::nctly cn target. And tha point of the kinds of studies by 4 E3 x Buchanan e.nd Enths and Bonilla the point of thcac studias is,' a. uhen we know fault longth and when ue hnou the motion, tha .E5 4 l l '. i 11 'y. ri e 6 T' l l y 7,m 9 ~ y 9 f 9'C'* -~.., w m- ~.,.s.--. .a p'. 465E I e wb5 1 kind of motion we can encet, is there come correlation as 2 to the kind _of magnitude earthquakt us cr.n crpect? i 3 Ncv I'd also like to point ott that, ac to + i I 4-relevancy, on Fage'C-10 cf the SEE,.it states: \\., a 5 "Although wo believe that the 1927 l 6 earthquako should tc used to estimate the safe 7 shutdown aarthquake, fault length-magnitude i i l reintionships have clso been considered. U I l So hc USGS apparently thinks thc.t those kinds of l 9 l i io i relationships arc relevant, according to their own evaluation i 11

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It ceems to me the.t they are relevant hero. And 12 i i if Dr. Cchn:. hcs knowledge about these correlation I ought 13 to bc nhlo to ack him this hind of question. l 14 1 MR. NORT0h; Mrs. Bowers, excuse me; I'd like to l 15 terminato this. 15 I don't understand why he can't be asked if that 17 relationship -- if that study has any relationship to the 33

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I don't know why we have tc talk about come fault ; 20 i that we remove from the relevant tectonic site. 21 MRS. DOWERS: Dr. Martin informs las that you 22 really are talking about a statistical concept. 23 DR. MARTIN: I suspect. I wanted to ask some 2,4 1 i questions to deternino whether that's true. 3 \\ e - se ,wa.r c. -r.. emer, m - %.w. 4 f a..-~. .;~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ t o 4857 ' I h vb6;

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Excuse me, Dr. Morton; I'n cico h P n, ' informed-b.r Mr.' Smith thrt that is hic field of expcrtise. 5 yk He's tho' seismologist, e. witncas on the ncrt panel. e . c.nd it's n 6 really his field of-e::partine, in any e.cnt. And it's ? i. t ~ i; P probably better to be in frcnt of him than Dr. Jahns. 1 S But, go ahead; e:: cur.e me. t DR. NI2TZN: Very well. 7 l' c.t I ctill hcVe a few questions, and I'd like to o r; d I _ l direct th e to Dr. Jahnr. e a: I belierc s. pap 3r va" nantioned by Buchanan and E. E mks. Is thtt the cerrect p per? Ic thic the one that 8 l' { danic with the'ecrralation hatusca fault 1cngth and earth ~.J,cka! ,i u. .c . h, - ntagnitudc7 c 1 p 1 - (! UITNESS JIENS: Bonille and Euchantn-Banks. i t- ) . l l j w> j, Buchtnan-Bcnha is one perco:.. i,. D DR. MARTIN: I ceo. n 4 7,. .s. 4 4!

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~~",'c in your references r, citud, an6 I' don't cee anything thtt ccems to correspond. g s g; Is that pcper among your citations in your written testinony? .}~~

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I don't believe it in in the I s ,1.l Written testmony. ' i l 'DR. M?aTIM: Did you rely cn it in arcuing any ll- /.; ~. 3,. of your. conclusions? ) -s 1 WIT.UESS JAln2S: lio. ..s -* 0. f.I .DR. MARTIN: Then it seeme to ne that yon're not h k'$ g'. I t ow ==%* m*F4 .4 w

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4 you fec.1 it ns; been used to judge, or ovalunte the Hosgri I Fetit. But the Nitnccs at hand ha.s not relied on that 5 ] 6 relatienchip. 1 7 MRS. BOWERS: The objection is sustained. -) i c MR. PLEISCHAKER: Just a technical thing: Ic j i q-the quection cverruled because this witness icn't relying i h to I! onit or because the question isn't rclaw.nt? h p'

~~1 MR. NORTOM~~

Mrn. I, owe.rs, let me chort circuit it. J t. Dr. Smith does cite thc.t paper in his ucr.<. 1 1 33 He'll gcing to be on the stand - hcpefully -- in the nc::t e . I \\ j y.. ; couple cf drys. Anc. he'll be glad to answer cuestions about w i. 15[U 1 it. It's hic arec of expertice. e i gg l!r 12S. BOh'ERS : ':'here's nothing in the direct i i n I g7ld. testimony thct wc;12. chow thct this witnesc t..s ralf.cd cn it l i j 18 or hcs c::pertiso in the area. And we 've been told th:- next witness docs. So this is just not the proper witness. 79 HR. FLEISCHAKER: Very well. 20 f i End 3F 21 22 e 23 s 24 i 1 e .. _a .. -. ~ - 'W ~.. -,. .. R._ _ u._ _ _..., _ _ _ _ _._.. n..o. s

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' 3g h?S 'mp51 So thnt I naderztand creativ 1.*her;. t":.n 't45 ~~ / how yc defin d thic 145 tilcr.r: c.rc r.bc. fore. WC n0ve en to i l' the n rt conclusior., can you find e. fi?nce in :.cre 1:hcrc fou t C could demonstrc.t2 how you've definc.d de exte.nt cf ths Hosgri n ai 5 lc! fnnit in terms of the 145 Yloincters thth you indicated hare .5 1 1 o :4 in your testimony? h; 8 it 1. ("itncsa Jcir:.s) Yes. Ons n.cncnt, plcase. 7 1 ..i 3 (Pcuse.) 1 cl2 9e /.:: rc.spanon to your queation, for c rcittivcd.y i cinple preaantttien, I would Oc.ll ye/. tttr.at.:.ca to Figtze 44 i in the dirant testimony, And in duc.t figure the Exgri fr. ult .} zens ir, indice.ted ts c.ntending frcm points offchol.T. couth 4 ,s

~~2 of the Scr. Sincon area it c couth-scuth esbx.r6 direction to 1~~

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t. Position et c cercr:1 let'Stdc ret fEr from the northern
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. bauafc.ry of tha transition tous bat ~.70er. the C:,a.ct 2anges czf the 7rcscverce nnnger provinccc. .a J Then, for a sottrJhnt r. orc dctr ils5 p. nt: station, ...o la '.!; I would refor you to Figure 20. Oc this figure the north-r 3 wn:;terly ezd of thu fault zone would be Oppositi c.nd parhapa j q 4[ clightly north of San Simcon, and rould txter.d in the south-1. i soudhe.astward dircotion to the bcnd-liho terminaticr. jus.t north of tha Tranavsrso nr.ngea. 22 i i 2.vj 0 I'm acery to belaMr thi.s, but I lost you here. ) 4 4,! Tha reason io thtt I see the fcv2.t zone c:: tend-P$ .. i k.f ing south dcwn to -- down below Point Sal, c.nd thcn I ceo i

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~. _.... _ t 5 - 4060 s.- ~. ! o r.pb 2. '. this fault ths : curres c.round cnd ccm:s in enchores 4 2' that pr.rt cf the Rossri fault 2;ons thtt you ?' defir.ed, ths li5 kilotttcrs? I'ot.c it er.d tMrel a L To which figure crc you rcfcrring? E G Figure Ih li 6o J.

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14 4 711 On Figure 29 the Hosgri would e.xtend in that a 1 Eh south-southor.rtward dire ction beyond the Oceana Nell for a 1,,- 4 9j di~htnce of c2mt 6.n inch and E qu.srher cn that figrze., and D ic,: could terninito offshore frc1. the Puricis. tremd. n, .s . s em i Ii:' Jtict a little bit north of Fcint S&l? It u L Yew d 0 14 4 0-Okty. u 1 5 !! liow, the northwest p rt up hero, Orn ycu tell ); s c. me cIncifictily where that ends, then? C n,- A Ws.ll, no ere trceus the Hoe.,c ri r.or.e r. orth-p ?

p ll nortame.atward it taker e. sco ahat northwesterly bcnd near 4'i

g !i the ncrth and and uhen nppenre to spicy not too far from

-i; E 1 2-) thn western bo:: der of the n.cp area, Ar.d one era note there a prced.nent celid line fLult thtt torninates in a north-p, ; 2'> f norttuestward direction, r.nd that ud.ght well be taken as 23 that ced of the Horgri zons., .n. 0 Is that juct c little bit scuth of Cape San Mnrtin-g, the.t you're talking about, the.t r.olid line thf.xe? J _w .-9 Jjli 4261. [i-i upb3 ) I. Yes, that's correct, . d. e MR. FLEISCDISR: Mrs. Sawers, it's Lbset two .) 2 1 minutac until four. I thought we unrc going to quite at { P 4 to.1g, 5 i I'm about to go into th; laat arch of qus.stioning. L j. 6N cc:tinnity, and the wholo thing tics toge.thar, hopsfully.

~~And, l.a 74 I was wondering if it would be.just as conve.nient to quit 0~~

1 r ..a n o't. ef E3, NORTON: Enctue nc, Iirs Soucts. h 4 10 f! You he.d a ra:Inc t to fi.2d out com.:2 irfor2.ati:n b O ^ 1i l ', from thc. hotc1 E.bcut this crcr.. E u Ec. nutc I hnvc in that una Inn has no othe.r J i. l cmtr.itenrh.s f r thic rcom for the. curat'.cn of the hearings. . 4 ': The room will ba locked, but we leave our matcritic ct our 3 1: a, c',?n rich. 4 j t s. F2.S. EXERS: Mr. Flcischahnr, Mr. Elecm tells i e ca tha.t w-; havc t. o Intarvesors' nu'aber 10 exhibitt. The I first ic the location of the boundt.y of tha Trancition Sonc re. ti aj with the ten milo boundaries cpprominat;d.. The cecond ic ll 2r. j Appandix 2.5-A. 4 2i !! MR. FLUISCHtdi,ER: The first one was tarked as et Intervonors' Exhibit and turned dour af t0r further Giscust., ion 1.,; i 1. I with Dr. Jo.hna. Uo can.1.e.tvc that r.rrkci as atn enhibit an.i 23 s 24 recognize that it ucc turned down. I i 23 l And we can mark -- I believc it ut s Pitts 1, ~ l r s ..~ a 4M2 ~,i e r'0 p. we.ich Uns,,3crh of the Fegro dntr., cd us c n m.rh 'd.ct ce cph4 l' ? n,,; E:iibit 17 for clarifictticr. l u i i; na.L TE7Cr.5: This will be acttar, 4j MR. FLTJISOE!J'OR: CELy. (. 5 (( (tQcraupon, the docuncrt I prev otcly es.rked Joint 4.;. c 7 II Intm vaaors Exhibit 16(E) li b E it wra recatrhed ac Jcint 9 i:- Intervencre Dtibit 17 1, h: iC 'j .Sr ideni:ification.) i l' 11 j I L'.2. .UE."S : Ge're cljourncd fcr the ucchand. i 12 !l (Whr.rstpon, Et 4:00 p.ra., the betring in the 12 isy c.bew,- c.titicd n tter w t r.djournai., to reconvece at

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~~o pti l i !!a 17 i i f I' J b a liadi lh 2D 21 i 22 I i, t 23 s 2!, li. Y 25 liilr, i1;. .w. ...,,.w.~~ now w w .w n o o n.n GEOLOGIC TIME SCALE -I Relative Geologic Time~~

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Period Epoch Time ilolocene Quaternary Pleistocene 2-3 Pliocene 12 Cenozoic Mi ocene 26 Tertiary Oligocene 37-38 Eocene 53-54 Paleocene i 65 Late Cretaceous Early 136 Late l Mesozoic Jurassic Middle 190-195 Late Triassic Middle Early 225 4 Late .. I Permian Early il 280 l' Late Pennsylvanian f e Carboniferous [ Mississippian ry 345 Late i Paleozoic Devonian Middle Early 395 Late Silurian Middle Early 430-440 Late Ordovician Middle Early 500 Late. Canbrian Middie Early 570 ~ ~ Precanbrian 3,600+ _

~~Estimated Ages of Tine Boundaries (Millions of Years) USGS 4-1-09 A. F I..G. ilR E. i.. u a.i;.. '-~~

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