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Transcript of 790803 Meeting in Washington,D.C.Pp 1-76
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<-,n...n ...,o-- a e proc ecure s. b CHAIRMAN HENDCIEs Instsec at jus:.r :scures v cifferent froc : hose procecures aiced a: crawing :ne issues 10 ra;1dly Oc a head. ~ l Can you :nink of some wercs :..a; ace c;1Lsh tha ? 12 MR. SIC 5MIT: I think tha

ha: is easily cene, yes.

13 What you want is "exped' icus." 14 COMMI55!0NER GILINSKY : Ne c "ex;ect:icus." W hac ycu 13 wan; is tha: tr.e que stien ce :1ec : lose'ly :c safety. 16 MRe 3ICKNIT: That's cone wi:..cu: any referenca Oc 17

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20 but as I recaccer, there's nc:ning cucn accu safe:y. In 21 fact, cur whole financial review saecs :: de unts'a:a: o 22 any censiceration of saf ety. -n

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in very elacerata procaccres anc ::her parties =c: On 2 witne.sses anc conce:, ciscove:: f :ns. says, well, :r.ey acn't .3 ,, 4 a.n.,., 54.,., .u..,. -n w ..>.a. .. -.-.. C a. g.... 4 mar'c a c w L.1 1 he busy.ha: year > Lw,,Ji M I..(,N t K..,d :..J f 8 *ne cues. n.s se d03:,. .,.2 t s . as O t < s.i.<i.r. r e.e. r m. l =..;.=. R.w..a cn...o..n.. .-s.i.t .i.. -,-, .w ...a ...... 3 7 .c w 4..5 C-., n s t. ".~.. ' a. n,. *. = 1 1./' -*=.a. ... =..*w.'.*......*.'.9. .- * =.....*..i. n, .3 =..a..-.. < a...a.. 5 C'J.A.? :G N .'d..:A. lC :..'.:. 9 cut che psycnclogy anc cecicec we cicn': wan c 00 :he: 10 withcut you. Sc we lea.:ec :c 'inancas, il COMMI55IONER 3RACFORO: !'n nc: sure tha: you. ave 12 a '. 4.-3 v. a s,. c '.-.. / - =..' =.d. v e s.. a.n.,-...s. 13 (Lau h er. ) Ia COMMISSIONER KEh'd5DY

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de d h 7: financial qualifica:icns to dese aspects da: siph affac: 3 safety. 9 MR. CS'2RAC3: Yes, sir. I wculd believe _ hat tha 10 wecid laave us cpe to a charge -- a:d I have in d -d, litiga-1Il'tica -- a carge that the Ccemission did to apply its nc:=al 12 ; regulatc:f standards en fina:cial qualifications c dis case. l' L I3 '. CCMMISSIONIR AEIA32E: Co we apply de to =.al standards ' ) o 14 l'e "d---cial qualificaticns to each :sstart? d 15 : MR. CS 3 ACE: Mc, sir. But =y pois: is da: in eculd 1 . il I3 the raised in a 2206 recuest, and we would den have to apply d e.. q 7,ii@.ila ycu could parcel da: cc: separately, I wculd see tha as 'l 'i ja confusing =atter. M ,l CCaCSS ::C2 KI:CiII:Y: as confused ahec. ycur answer 20 !:: de tnestien. You*said de answer Oc the T:estian, *Co we i i 21 ! e_,_2:17 :squ. irs eis ',4 a -.vtey prier :: rests:,' the e i. ,--- ' answer was "No. " 1 23 ; New, if da 's he case, why uculi you here.-- i 1 .i i M2. CS*?.ACH: I a= sc :f, Wha: =ean: :c say was .ha- ]

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p.u.~ t' tine a plan: restants en whsde$ de app 11: ant centinues := :ee: 2 his nc=al level of financial qualificati:ns. I wculd assu=e i 3 -lan is done en the basis dat there is nc reason := change the i I l 1: de-= 4 ation =ade whenever he get his cripinal cperating license ! I dat he didn't =eet dat. 4' licw, ir. ~"ds case, stadd, by lis-4 g ' ' < as a sub-i 7' stantiva cence=, indicated some concern about the licensee's l 1 3 4 financial qualifications. There is obviously an enc:=cus irain 7: upon he licensee's resounces dat was not considered when de f l'1 Licensee was originally given de T:C Uni: 1 cpera.ing li anse. II. It seems to =a that if the co-d ssion is charging i:s 12: board to consider financial qualifications, de icgical thing Oc !3 : do is to have dat bcand apply the critaria da: de applican: 141is required ec =eet, an'rway. 'Icu could ask it t= address a did-i l I3"fensn quasti:n, but the licensee still sus see: that standard. d u,....,.,. e............ ,,...s 1 ..<"but he mus: mee: da standard. 2 ? Ui C0!9C55 CliIn.C.RTIC'? : As a lagal =atter, dc you din.% a ,.aqi: preferable da you. don': lock at i: in a hearing, :: = c u '.d r 4

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2 99. Ca.1 29 isn l ' One po ssicill y :o ce sculd be to :rovice that th e I s:s" woul d uk.s such a finding, a regula:Ory f ind in;. 3 Furthermore, Lt a party 41shed :o enter as an 4 addL:Lona.L contant.icn in the hearing some narrowly focus.ad 5 dsmonstration on(financial qualif t:s icns !!!seting saf ety. -6 the board could apoly norma L cri:erta Oc decidinq shetner or 7 not to a.11:w that as an additional contention. S [ would have no creolem witn that. 9 CCWLSSIONER XEtNEDY: It ssems := me :ha:'s sort f 10 a siecle ;rcund reascna'le proposition. o 1I MR. OSTRACH: D.a t way the board would not be 12 requirsd to satisfy itself about ths ;snerst subject of 13 financial qualifications. It would' leek at whatever it la decided was an appropria:e centsntion. i 15 CCWISSIONER :G:GEDY: 3ut it,would do that on the 16 basis of :he s a. f's certift:sziens as :o financial 17 qualif ic ations, presumably. 13 MR. OSTRACH: On ne assumpti:n that sucn a 1;

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23 COW'.55IOffER :G::lEDY: '4y prssum :icn was in going 21

nis route, we would also nave elected ec instruc On e s t a.f f.

22 fiP.. Ca ixACH : Yes. The y wouldn: necessarily Oe 23 sequen isi. Staff would 'ce sa:is fy ing L:self curing :ne 26

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b O. 34rv VC.2 nJ., h.-.,,... .prCn.,u. 7.e :,5 s ee,..: eve. ,4 hat wcu.,c 3sn I c. w oe... s a. o w. 2 you then de if a party raisec as a centen:1cn tne clank.e: :ne 3 that the licensae was not financia.11y ;ualified? 4 COWIS510NE:. KE.NNEDY2 I^:r scr-y,.eter. ". ".U. C2" : * ", 2.'.., '.".ar.,..".*..'..=".. 3 C" MI *S I"u T.20.. .n was satisfying itsel' secerectly en the sucject. Supccsing a s a - -........e .~..~..~,-=.a.'/ '. s r.' '. a.**/*..**..*.=.*.*..=..'..,..=.=..=..'.a. = r.d 'o a S '. d..a..=.a.. f =..'.' '/, t a '.'.d.' = d. .'.a. cna. e ' ' *. *...a. *. =. a...' a. n e v '. *. 7..'.a. ..".a. 9 meaning o' the re le vant secticns of the regulations. 10 MR_ CSTRACE: I would assume the ' card wcule ne: 11 accept such a contantion just as it wculd net acca;t the I? Contention that the a;;:1icant d:as act. seet the TCO3 13 regular.icns, or scme other mattar th4t the ccam iss1:n. has nc:. 4 .. t s. <-.c...s<s.e 15 I am assuming :nat :he direc:1cn to :ne card wcui: 16 ce scma thing s':ilar :: :na language en page 12, exc=.:: :na: i 17 wnere it new says, a snell emeley the fine.cial cualifica:icn s 15

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COWI55IONER 59.CFC?.0: Ysan. I. 4culd keep, I gus.ss, 2 . acre er la53 tha propcs i:ica :ha: Stave and *an Origina.ily 3 had. L 'thcugn. yeu:- Language was okay, and in f =.ct. I nink 4 as an acstrse ma.t.ar, L is But I respect the point that e., -.a.. / sw. mane..s a seen a4...._s,u.,.. ~.. .n .w. w 6 regulations require. CO.WI55!0NER AMEAM E: By "criginal* again, you mean ~ 5 as en page T2. -a.D yes. C3W.. I h,, e... sna a n tsa y 10 CHAIRMAN EiDRIE: Okay, Pet er 's keep ing 1 tread. Jl Ycu wcul:1 ace.ap: th.a proposition to tnam at the hearing issues II c n.'.'.n = n c L.=.' ~"a.'.'.~.=..*.~.~.S ' ~ ' ' c s a '..' =. d ~..* v.". ~..' '/.. a.=.'.= ~. '/ 3 e' I2 with :ne dir'ction A / e IA COMI55fCNER.C UEDY: dith :he directice Oc the s:2.*f 15 c make a finding as :s the regulations. 16 COW I55IONER AHEARNE:.1111 you alsc di s:: :ne staff 17

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~ 3 have a pr:clem wi:h the staff satisfying itsett. COMI5dIONER XE!GEDY r If ycu cc :nat, I dens: th.in k .t '5 anything is a.dded by asking the sis!! := de that, is it? 5 ft you pursue ths language, wni:n ecunse! has 7 suqqested, the re's no higher excep: dupli:sti:n. 3 CHAIRMAN MENDRIE But though: Len's safe;y 9 language n.ing, whatever that languaqs may =e, i s in ar ded :: 10 focus :inancial quaiLfication issues and make :nem ce reia:sd 11 dLrsc:Ly to saf sty. And that seems to as := de ide n: ic al 12 to the corrs spending part O f ths O thar,:re.::siti:n, yh t:h was ' l ^ \\1 a two part one saying, yeah, hearing issues - the restri::i n la iz : hat way; 'cuc in acdt:te'n - i 15 COWISSIO.iER XEU iECY2 !s tha: your encarstanding? 14 CHAIRMAN MENDRIE: Su; i., sd C..:n, s t a.f f ha s 17 sa:isf ied L:self.. 13 MR. SICX;iET: Tha: *asn': ny undsrs ancir.g .an 19 I read it But inere's no pr:Olem with 3.dci.g := it. 5c l 20 staff would make that de arm.inati:n. 21 COWISEIONER AHEARNE: :: is me1:ner ts uirsc, ner 22 ine:ns is ta nt. v u.c. s ar e..v.u.r ,..... s.a..o,... <,.n... e t 9 96. 4 6 4. 23 star: OYtr and ir.3 re: 23. i 1 l 4 --c r _,.__._,_.p, k

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( b ..W.w3.., m ish. I sta:ement. 2 MR. CSTRACM1 think it's f air t: say :nat ahanevar i ~ ~ 3 sesff is ccnfronted wi:n any reason :: belie ve that a crevious tinding et ecmpliance wt:n the requia:!cns is ne 1:n;er -- A 5 'Laugn er. ) CO.'44 [ 5SI ONED KENNEDY: Tha: makes his statemenc 7 quite a :urs:s. 3 VR. CSTRACH: Yes. 7 CHAIRMAN HENCRIE: 0%sy. 10 MR. SICX',1[T 2 .1 ell, de til aq.se. 11 CHAIRMAN HENCRIE: I :nink the s en t i.t* n: f:r the 12 cost recent isnquage lies in a ms;crity, Pster. Nx ist s 13 declars that to be the ten:ative sense of the comnission. la ' New wna: acout furtner procecural discussi:n er ~ 15 instruction a;ong :ne itnes there :n paga 12? 16 Oc.es one desire nat? l7 XR. S I CX'/4 I T t Oc you wan; fur:ner ex;;ana:1:n? 13 00MMI53EONER AHEARNE: I:..cui: nei: me. 3:i'i 19 naving difficul y in uncerstanding wna; you're :rying :: ) 20 ac::mplisn. 21 COVMI55IONER 3RACFcco: Een ne sure :.9 a: :n ts is 1 22 shat you'd call anlightanad. i ~ 22 MR. 02..<ACMr 01an ;.e sen =nce es ritica, es i 2A

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cing: :

10 !: Llew the regulations in the a serce of instructi:n3 :: dc J1 c he:utse? 12 MR. CSTRACHs I a.ss ten e, sir, that it will make a 13. findfing en the precise questi:n :na: Mr. Sic:eui: read .h e 7. 1x . s.e s e. L.o -an. na s d e...w.n s. -3. e '..'..=. ..=....'a'.'..'..'.'.**.'..'...'...s ~ 15 nece ssary s decens: rate safs:y. I .<culd no: :nska a fi.di.; 16 o n the 50. 23.: qualif ic a t i:n s, 17 Tnat's why [ wculd at laas: :e:: :nanc tha. 'f 0..sy 13 sere :: caka. a f inding n th e nue st i:n a s.:n.-!s ec by 'A r. i1 5., Lw,. . a... s s........ e 5e a..s. s...........<,,,. r as.a. a'. ..". e.' r c a.. * * '.. a *..*..r. .-...= s.'. w. u.' ' ' =. =.. '.., '... =. ' s... .c.., an ex.i.. 44.nu<.g 4...,4... -41 .,ma. a o.. g. 22 Jus tif ica t io n cia-the ittensee :ces in fae: mee: the c r.a ' 23 coern:Lr.g LL:ense crizaria. ~.. g & w...1:.:. .v..e..g6:,v. :.-

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.? w M. m. .s 10 C'4A.!R. MAN HENCRII: I ge: a majeri:y nu=cer ? sma11 11 ae. '.'."-d e neds. 3 =. *. a r, '/c u we.- =... wn.,. ".' d.e....=.....'..- s II =ccur : you in there? COMM...ad. - A. gnu No. 12 - t an =n an u r-la ,CO.W ISSIGNER XENNEDY: It we jus: wai a fed minutas. 15 seme htng will. Io (Laugn er.) t 17 CO WI55IONER 3R.GT-CRO: I: :::ur sc :: me -.a you 1: were en :he wr:ng read. I9 CO W4155!0.NER A'-3ARNE :.ic : n a t '.; eeen :ne firs: : 1.m e. 20 C*i. AIR.'AA.'l :-530RIE: 0%ay. *aO's :o it as :..a:,,1hy 3 -.1i.. .e..e s,.,.g.. wf .....,.,.. -. we .o.n. s..i.. r.... .e... - -.. e a.. f. 6=.s

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7sn 1 2 A :mi: Ene.rgy Act reaches this ameng several

her issues 3

nat art a ll scrt et acc ident-1.mpac: related. 4 E can : begin :: anci:1 pats una: -he'verteus s 5 cententions will be, but :ne re will be a cla ss of c:ntentiens 6

nat more or less go Oc the tname enat sf7ce his acciden:

7 has happened, the impact on ne area is sufficien in 3 various, I suppo se, some psycnological, some ec=nemi:, s:me 9 scciological ways :nac, for one reason or anotner, i: 10 doesn : f eel :nat the plant snould Opera:e. s 11 I'm no t surs :nst's psy:nclogi:si. That may be 12 too limiting an adjective. l3 C3 MMISSl0HE3 AHEARNEs Bu is i: fair :: descrice, i l 14 P e ta r,' th at tha questi:n is given :na: all the ;r avi:us ofrsduireentsaremet, is the plant s.11:we d :: ::=e On? 15 sa 16 COMMISSIONER SAAD.caggi y,3, 17 There may be a claas of ques:1:ns undsr :ns: hencia; IS

na: are differen in kind fr:m *ns: LS-nas':iscuss?

here-19

maah. L:rd Only kncws wna: ::ntenti:ns One :n-sm:1:1;2:3 20 in :na: 11:10.

The rs may te seme :na d:n/: especially 21 .relata :o acci:en impact. 22 I wouldn't say tha: : nose two class ei we' 1: .reven: 4 4 ca 1 24 CO M4 :55:03E.:. KE.'HE0Y I'm ne: sure ca /:mr 25 puesti:n was, 1:nn. i 1 i a-e.

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COWI55!0NER AMEARNE:.de.11, my ces:1:n was, we ......,..,.....f w c u.' "..- =. '/.'.' .t.e 3 . w,.., a. y., p.. t,f w. .f g 3 a.11 et these are mer, then a plan: can Operate. A And L th. ink the issue here is - 5 COMME 55IONER XE.NNEUf a Tnese are derived frem - 6 CD W L55IONER AMEARNE: Are :nere additional.:cin:s 7 wnich have nec b een addre ssed. prs'ricusly? 3 CCWI55IONER 5R.GORD: Su the re *culd 'ne preca::ly 9 two cla sses of these. One would be addi icnal peints which, 10 if acdressed : rrec:Ly,. the propenen: wc ul d. :.ie n f ee l .h a t ll. cperation were perm issible. T.en there.'s ;cing :: be a 12 class of centenciens and mere c:- less, this plan: wcu ld 15 cperata nc uttar what you do. A c. A m,,,e r,(es. .nc it's mer the second CO W a..S.Co.._c.t 14

t

~ 15 ca tegc ry, E th.in k. 16 CCWI55IONER XEMiEDYr ahy de you see -hem as 17 different? I mean what's the questien accc: the se two - :nis ,.n t 33 w.e.,g.we....~.. 4 2, . a. .... a... ~a 3.... t.m 19 the d.Lt.f erenca Ln :reasen~ ci :ne :tersus na c nar? 20 CO WI55IONER AMEADE.- Oc ycu mean the way ne ::ard 21 would trea: them er i.ne enarac:er et the ues:1:n? 3 m...i.m.....e.:.,.p.e. .v. w.. L=a.rv r.. s. s.. s w. .w. 25 Cf "e q"es***cn. $ ti'

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_ _.. _._. ___ ~. ~ _ _ _ 1 ,279.C8.1I 33 sn di.f f e rencs. - 2 COWI53:0NER XI.'NECY i Tas 'I SN0 rt o f whe rs w e h e'rs 3 -- Oc ::eg.$, Oncugh, : cetar tine wns hsr it dees or not. 4 COMMISSIONER AHEARNE: I :nink :he first Lss ue :na: 5 we have Oc decide is whether et-ne: :ne boer: er One nearing ~6 shoulci address those issues. Tn at 's. L think. the gis: Of 7 wna: the genersi counsel's pacer is attsmo ing Oc sc=rsss.- 3 COMMISSIONER KEfdEDyr Then we have :c ecide wne':nsr 9 we'rs going Oc addre ss

.n.s 1.s s u e.

And if we are, :n sn wnc 10 is Oc address 10 and pro:sdu.rstly, how and when7 11 COWISSIGNER AEEAR fE

Thst's r ight.

12 COMMISSIONER XE NEDY: There we are. New we've ge i 1 13 the ac :i'te agenda. Which ques-icn snculd w e accre ss f 1. s:2 a la MR. SIC:G ET: Why don't ws proc eed to Our 1 15 reccmenda tf,.cn? 1 1 COWISSIONER 3RACFORO: I find a: leas: your firs: 17 c:u;:la and nay e all of ycur sc:=enda-ions :c be 13 unexca;;ionabla. !? COWISSIO iER AREAR:fE You 1:end ne: 20 Co.WISSIO:fER 3RACFORC: Un sx: s;s tion a: L s.

Oc 21 disagree at:n any cf the rs e:mme ndat.icns.

22 WR. CSTRACM That's leWe re:s for it's aksv. 23 WR. S ICK*d ;T* Tna 's c.c: :he same as unex:sc: :na'.. 21. COM 55:0NER 3RACFORC: A Li::is mers thea : ). t y. 25 !? : hey had a :hol:s, ; nin% in sacn :sse :..ey.:i:3s: ..s

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= me that anycne wne ::ck excacti:n t: 2ne pc in: :es : ~ce 4

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6 xcuit ha'rs the ': card address:.nq the i ssue inizially. 1 9 MR. 3 C: GIT 2 That's c:- sc:. I 1 10 CO.WI55[0 DER AHEARtrE s : gue ss I'm.:r a:1y still J1 more interestad in us addrs ssing i: ':ecause I :nink in -he 12 acsencs et a 1:t more. speci:L: s tr ec '.:n :han *.<e 'rs.::s.:ars t I3 ce give now, until se>ve heard :ne con tantions, we : uirn't 14 g'i're the direc:icn. 15 In the resence o f 2ns direction, I. nink the Ocart 16 would 'ce going off in c very uncnartec e rrl::ry. 17 MR. B IC'Of !T t Ne w :na 's one Of y:c: Oc-1:ns. 13 COWISSIONER 3: C.:GR ' e, ? He e : am s.. e s :y 2.<. i..; i 19 eXcesti:n. Oc ycu read ycur see nc secti:n as rec: :-enci..; 20

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Tne beard sign: rec ormaanc. .,___,.s..,.s ......,.~....:. ,.....,.....,ar. an.wruna..,..., na m,.,2 w s 3 d ecisien. I thought wna: you. we re saying is that 1: made 8-sense to wait until we saw wna for i :ne co n tent to r.s Occ k, 5 saw whether they may in sc::a way rec;uire tha aki.; cf 6 avidencs and had sees feel for wna: the issue really locked ,se .. u s,u n. ,..r.. w.. c.s. s. ..r,ca e.4 7 3 a crack at it itself, er simply cer ity the wncie Oning. 9 Tna: was the propos1:1:n, I :ncught.

was at iQ Least a g.ccd idea.

G. SICK? FIT: ?fe c uld : y it, u as we tap i: Out, 12 we Leave it t the'ecard. 13 Now, obviously,..the 'ccmcissien can siep i:t and a ~ 11. have it. ca.rtified. Ycu d leave it :: tne bear: 15 COW 4I55IONE'4 GII.INSKY: e 16 whetner er nc Oc cartif y it wi:n the 00 =1.2si:n. 17 W. SICKWCT: Mhe:ner er nc c recc.:ne nd. IS CO XMISSIONE.. XE:-CiSDY : m not sure ani:h : uasti:n is we ts talk.ing accu. Is 1: :he ;ues tion 0 f ne ner 19 1: s 20 these ma. tars shall be censidered cr the cuesti:n of wna: 21 and how sha.L1 be censidered. %, w, .c.a.,.*..*.a.we'.-=..'.'..'...,.*...'.'. si ( -]

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for. e, cere.ectuali:.a 1-f or me in er :s Of new it ac r ks. 2 Ycu have a r. earing ccard. de nave a ser of general 3 m.i.Les.:ne thing tha: tells us seme:hing accu: hc w :nis whcie 4-precess mignt work, under 'anat seems Oc de an extraordinary 5 . Length of time, but whata.ver. 4 a u*. ~,.'.a s *..' a....". _..r .w. a v =. is: W h.a. r. "..' d. ...=.',r 7 reach.his cenclusi:n? Mhan di: they :srtify inat questien . w e..

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10 MR. SICKNIT: Our view wculd be tha: :ne cen tention Jl stage, when ctner cen entiens were being resolved, tha: the 12. beard aculd leck at this contention. 13-COMMISSIONER HENDRIE: If any. ~ 14 MR. SIC:GET: Rign:. ~ 15 CHAIRMAN HENCRIE: Cenerally there would te some if 14

*. coal witn 1: this way.

17 COMMIS5IONER XE.NNEDY: Im Fe:er's view, 1.wculd 13 precacLy be a nes: cf suen centen:1:ns in :nese :ec ;e ers. 19 categcries. 20 COMMI55!CNEE 57.AC.: CRC: I j u s; de n.': knew w.. a: :: 21 ex:a c :. b.,.M............, fc!s., sy yOu act.,,. .c 7'.. e (,. .s. ; OO & ss L9C % 3, u1 C .a.o.. s..m. s. a. 3 5 2..,., *.... a. ...n4..... .,a / n., e..s.a. + ~. ...t.a *. a. e .-...a .a 24 general catageries. Ckay. Scw w e' ve.,c; e..

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44 1 t 2990901 4 to 1-MR. CSTRACH2 In the normal casa I'm sure they 2-wouic awai:, howe ve r, the filing of responsiva argu. ten:4 frear the o tw side,. whicn fo r an issua lik e. this would 3 A certainly rssemcie brief s quite closely, I.think we can be 5 su.re that tha C c:missi:n, enca the quastion would te o cer-ified, that the Comission would ' e criefed witn the c 7 views cf the parties bc:h f avoring snc distsvoring - 3 3 least this is the potential. 9 MR. SICXWIT: Su tne isnguage doesn't so stata, ) 10 but you :culd sc provide. Jl COh04[55CONER XE.4fEDY & Oksy. New you have this Il satter either befors the Co mis sion, eithar before or 13 conta:;icorsnecusly with tha ' issuancs of tha t first prshearing-l' 14 c0nfer9nce.crdar. 15 CHAIRMAN HENCRIEt Is this the first or second? 16 MR. SIC: GIT: Tha first one. 17 CO WI.SSIONER XEMiECY When is 1: :nst :ne IS Commission decidas tha: ma.:: e r, and wna: ha: ens :c the 19 prec eeding meanwnile, unile the ma.::er remains at issue ? 20 MR BIO OIT2 Our concApt is :nat the Cc9missi:n 21 cecides it as expediticusly as it can, and the th.a 22 proceedir.g ices forwbrd anile the C'ammiss 1:n is consi2ering 3, ' 2A CO.W '.35 ~"NER XE:2iE :Y : Tne =reca ec.ng ;ce s 25 f:raar:7 4 + r e r 2-- e.-r,-m.,,, w ,=%=~,-

_.~ l 45 . w C,rC c. c-Jo I MR. 3*CKWIT: Yes. Which in essence means '2 ciscove ry, a

nis ;cin.

3 CO.VMI.53!C:lER KE.NNEDY : .C.1 ri:;h:. Disccvery is Oc be ecmple:ed by 110 days or dC days a*:er :nist .nerefore, .t. 5 you are presum tnq chac the Comm t.ssion decices this cuastion I I a. o...i. r t,..s./.i s.. + o ...,. ac s.,/,...<.a. .e.a..a.. l .s. a a. 7 what? o. .u..o.. a r cv..y... t .=...a.g .v., a..v s.<

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.r . s ..n 7-f act compls:ed en One ct.~.er issues, the Ccem ission af ter 1: 10 has dec.ided it, would send the aa sr cack down and discovery would take place en that issue. A ssum ing 1: 12 resolves it in f avor of the contention being allowed - /. 13 COW 4I55EGNER KERIEDY:

And. One se'cond prel s aring 1 :.

conference could have gene en meanwnile, en a.ll c:ner 15 Lssues? I6 MR. SICKWIT: Cur concect is that i: aculd not. !i ' 4M.r.*.*.f t.).Me..o..c..'r : n.v. : p ... 2 4.- ... 2. / s. n a..~ o-. 12 4,. 3 .-v..<..~,

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,o i 4 6 4 7 7. F C.-)*y l - ~. c s 1 i 1; wha t yce ve sa.id, na: is :~a: if the secend ; s hearing 2 conf e rer.c e dce sn't ' egin - 3 COEI55IONER XENNEDY2 9.a 's r1;nt. ~he en:1re .L

. rec aed.ing c eas a s at som e pc. int.

'egin until 5 COWI55IONER AMEARNE: Oces L: nc: d aftsr '* *covery is ::m;:leted en :hese c ner c=ntentions? 7 MR. SIC:GII: Tna: das cur cencect. 3 CO M ISSIONER AMEARNE: But if that's so, :nen I 9

hin!c vnet yeu really sai:1 is yevve put a cre?.sn Line 10 there.

Jl CC MMI55IONER XENN50Y : Of inde ter:rina:.s leng:n. I2 CDWI55IONER AMEARNE: And :he.Orehearing 13, conferenes is hsid 60 days after :Me Cect:ri.ssion decices.- l l.:. MR. 3**C:G -~:

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ils're nc: saying r.z:. 15 COWISSIO; FEE AMEAR.'IE: Tnat's wna; you jus: saic. J l.' .AR. *IC:G.P. w a. ' - *. s.='/'.+.,- ..*.2...'. -..~ =. s ~. ~. w.. ..e,

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a... 21 =ay decids - and would L.i there were no cententi:ns - 22 CD WI55IONER'AHEA.:NE yes, I s.e,. 23 MR. SIC: GIT * - 1: mi;n: decice that a eccele of 1 .s .. s .Iw..., s. / 6- ..a.. .- n. -.= 9.;: :..c :=.1... ?= a.-...,,...s.

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2 99C9C c7 1: 1 MR. BIO;OfrT No. 2. MR CSTRACH: .urthereere, it's net ne c e ssa ril y 3 so, na: :ne par:Les wiIL nc: be concuc:.ing con:en:1:ns :n r A the psychci 41:al contentions during the :eriod - 5 pa-:1:ulsrly if ."* f '--asing Scard ree:--:enced cecis ten 6 f avors that this is a centantion. culd ex:act tha: 7 par-tes would mere than likely, un1+ ss they have gced reascn 3

believe that it een : ce admi.::ad, wculd ce going aneae s

9 with the discovery efferts a:. his time. 10 Sc.the :ime tnat the C missi:n spends - CC'MM I.55 f CNER AME ARNE : /fould 10 de al10wed? !2 MR. CO L.<ACu.. : Yes, sir. The discovery is over. 13 CCWrS5IONER KE'fMEDY: On a centen:1:n net ye: 14 ace 1.tt ed? 15 bR.CSTRACH: A party :culd cbjsct and 0 uld 15 refuse :: ::mply alth discovery, but vcLuntary discovery is 17 sLways permL;;sd. Dis::very, o f ::urse, is me only agains: adv. series, but s believe we're usi.; ..e er :..e re als: 13 s 1; include preparation f:r a he aring. Tas pa-ties : uld de 20 having their c:nsultants preparing testimeny and tataria.1 21 lika :na:, even apart f r:m disc::very e ffer s agains: One 22 Enc the r. 23 C C V M *.5 5 :CNER X~uNEDY: . u st so. unce.stanc tr.is, g4....., 3

3. s...y.,.s. 3.i.sy.

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48 .. - 9 9 :-.3 24 m 3; I Cn :nis cr.ar t, at Cay 140, cne craws a 30.::ac line anc :nere a... ..a a........ . s s c a..oca.a a.n a.,. a. < 4 <., .e 3 a...... c u ~ 3 of ti.me that the Commiss. ion may racuire Oc rescLve One ques. tion in its cwn mind and instrue; tne Scard, plus, seca .e s.....4 ...,..w . we n..i s. ...,u _'. e d. do- .'sca.ve.v., 6 uni.ch may run from :ero to 60 days 7 VR. S EC'G ITs. "Tha t is Our view. 3 COMMIS3Ict4ER KEtt1EDY: Tneret:re, thers ecul: ce 7 an intstrupti:n in this a.ntire ;r:ce ss. T.ere will =e an 10 interrupti:n in :nts encire process, :: scme ince :ermina :t 11 pert:d. t.e .y... a ~w v.,y.r - n.... . 4..i.t . 44. %.. C.a r. a...d s.'..d a. n 4 I3 cakes a very Lengthy peri:4 ot ti.me to resc Lve 11. I1 C O.V M E 3 E I C EIE E S E Z i E C Y a Oc you : nsicer dC 03ys 00 15 rescive a questien :t interpre:a:icn of the A: mi Energy i o. l$ .a. n.... sg

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.s..yc a..1 . ca.gg.e _g..a. ...' g C,..m...o g.s. o n e* l 17 ncW Snd in :ne future, :: de somatning tha* wil*. De l 9.73.# 7. i/., g.4. g.? / 2 f.

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on. o s v.s,... t w vas 20 capa:Le of res:Lving that questi:n in le ss than 60 ays. 21 Wereever, if 1: takes 60 days, *e nave no assuranc.m - .s. e. .n._ <-.u..o. t e ce.e n. r=_ o. v.: u.t =.,., v. i 23

afice-ce are axpre 5s my apprecie:'.cn f r it.

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that's designated in *he schedule. !:r discovery. In fact, when the Execu:Lve C.egal Direc:cr presented :nis senecule, t 5 he cescribed as unrealistic the 6C-cay pericc 'cr discovery. l s CCMMi55L0s'MR GWEDY: Tnac's ancths: i53Ue we 7 have to c=me back to, and that's the entire senedule. Onen. 3 To what extent dc we san: Oc estaclisn - Ar* A m-4c- .ne acV3ntage c.a dna, you

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od 3 crt 9 .c 10 see, having thi.s issua first go thrcugn the Scart Orter :: !I ccm icq := us, is anat - 1? MR. S ?CXWITs Tna ; e vid enc e may we.il c e rel e van. 13 .1. ~" the Scard. * = d. w a.....- s.. ~ ~. =.... a. y - a.V. a. f_ .g A.... L3-i. w H, z .n a ny a v e r.::., w e '= e.. e ve - h e 1. o 15 questi:n is r.cc nece ssarily :na acstrac: :ne : wna: -~ o. . 3....c., c,. <.,,.... s, g <. c.,., <....... a g g.o., n. s _... s.-,. g. y,, ,x is f.. 17 ena: ;syche' egi:si and sccial c:ntantions pa: tie s wisn ::

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..gy g _ _. 3,. t.J 4 g s *.9 5. 3 2..? y,. 3 .s 4.. 3,.. 3..,.i.e ~. i 20 prece ss te f re ':he Be art, in any event. A. Aru,ts : .ne on y :n.nq ,,m 41 vJ. A. 7 2 t d, o..- -cs .= 22 .ere s tl ing wi th is, i: seems .c me Ona

n is is suen a ma,':r 23 nange, 12 se ;c nis r:c e, and w+

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50 299C;0750 sp. I Oc you cells ve One Scard eculd remain neu:rs t :n wnethsr er 2 not the Commissten is goin; to : me down one way or the 3 o tn er, and ye t allow the co n ta n t io ns to t e de v e l ec ed f ul ly, A is that co rrect.? 5 MR. OSTRACHs I b e li e v e th e Sc a rd --- w e' re talking 6 accu: an ex= ertenced skillf ul board --- it has a f airly ;ced 7 idea et wnat is neesssary to provide a basis for a ruling on B the admissiblitty of contantiens. 7 ( At 3: 45 Ccamissioner Gilinsky le ft the recm.) 10 ~ Co kW ESSIONER AHE ARNE S .My only prcblem is, let us Ji suppose maybe the $ card is suf fiantly skilled and Il expertenced, but at least some pecple mignt have a 13 skepticism t' hat if the question were esised, tnat in t.7.e (~ 14 previous history of the operations nad not 'ceen alicwed,

15 that a Scard.might ag1L1 no t a llo w it and then there!:re 16 e ssantially say these issues dere raisad ::ndi t ion Lly,

17

hey've nevsr 'ceen ac:eptad?

The proper reading of :he 13 A: mt: Entrvy Act ccesn't allow :nto -- 19 CO MML33:0NER 3RACFORC2 Have :nay.ceen.aised 23 betors? 21 MR. SICrMETt Yes, they nave. .1e have a series of 22

sses.

23 CHAI; VAN HENDRIEt sc: uncer :ne Atomi: Ene r;v la Act, : ten >: think, have :na y? 23

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51 299C90851 1: I similar issues raised under :ne A: mi: Energy A::. 2 Co.WI5E!aNER XEFNEDY Could you f:-ward :: me 3 . refe rences ec all of them, please? A MR. SICDIT: They're included in cur memersnd's. 5 COMMISSIONER XENNEDY: I thcu n: I read the 6 memorandum *rery c.arefully. 7 COMMISSIONER 3RACFORO: Ycu don't mean :nis ens. 3 COMMISSIONER KE WECY Ch, the Other ene. I'm 9 s c.ny. 10 MR SICD II: Tne y'. e not cirecti.y en.:c ine. I1 COMMISSIONER KEfN~DY: I d.idn' t think sc. Il CO W LSSIONER AHEA NE: My concern is Onat T2 therefore the Ecard wecid not g= into any leng ny prece.ss. ( I4 MR. 3 C'G IT s It tna: ha;; ens they wcuid :nen sand 15 it up wien :ha recommendaci:n that this cententien not be ~ 16 allowed.. I.! ne Cc=::issi:n f el: that evidence 4as

esced, 17 it could take 1: itself or send it back Ocwn and ask for

!3 aviden a. I don't rea.lly fint :..a : a si;nif1:an:.:r:cism. 19 .42. 05T2ACF.* i -hink the situa-1 n Sas enangsc. 20 If the Commissi:n 5:ecifi:aily pre rides in :ne Or er ns: 3 21 car ain issua wn.1:n nas not ncrma.lly been taken ac: un: in 2E the Licensing proceedings may be an 4,0crecriate ma tter, 23 ringing 10 :: :ne 3 card's a ttenti:n. :hev wcule no: s i ::.v ' sard :n is :a f:re. insy': : s : e e '. ing 2a say, N:bcdy's e 7 s: 23 wi;h -.e basis Of ..e ~cc71ssi:n's :::s.:ial i.- arest. p-g- + n =m m-n--

4 n w m9...--,,.. :4

$p t CHAIR.'AAN HENCRIE:

seems to re we 41.11 :cce a

.......2 c.,,., ....a..,.i./. s.,...< s.,...h, s-.,... s. < n .,....,,, 4 3 reacings cf the underlying statu a. A CD.Wil55ICNER XEM4EDY: And the casas wnien, as 5 counsel sc rel.1 points cut, are,ce ssicly relevant, our no: 6 necessarily all en pein - as he well points cut in his cwn 7 .ea:c - that was the reason for my question Oc you. i 3 wasn sure. I thought mayce you knew sometning that you s 7 hadn't ye: time te comunicats to us. l s s-l 10 .E. SIC'G!I: I den : knew at :ning_I haven !I comunicated to you. I' C'.d..U. O. 4...A.4 ' T.NC..r =, t. v.. 4 ....... <, e.i.e.,... ' o n e. 13 here, en balance, is te pcstpone decision en these ma tters ( la un:tl a li :la fur:ner developmen: cf :ne scr: cf* 15 contantions. '/ic left me his proxy in faver of the ganaral 16 counse'.'s recc.venda:Len. Cces -ha: s eem c be :ne 17 inclination? w...,., e.....y,

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...r. 6. i 6 y' cde. 20 CMA55.%4 H5UCE:5; T.*.e t's E.cartg*5;n over El there. Ecck a: the Dcttem of page II. 1.s,s... r 9.m <~*s s.n.s..r ec t n...st: 0 o.c..s e.ce..,=.. .s..t ww. 23 'ea 1cmed def7r=, I don't knew ..a: ps ycroicgic al, es ....sa.. .n..s. a. ...,..en ,x,c.. 2 .3 ..f .... f ...2. c, .s....,.

,...< a./....

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( ~ ~ - - i299091053 53 sp I with tus framework nat's sa: Out frem :nsn en. i 2 I: does specifically say, ncugn, Ona we exp ec: 3 b rie f s.' Sc C can't :hink 1: Leaves :ne Scarc wl:n any 4 dLscrs:1:n not Oc have bria.fs on the ques:1.cn. I's aL1 fer 5 that an yway. 6 COWI.55I0tER AHEARNE: Oc you have a be.::ar 7 phrsse, i* you can. :hink ct a be: er pnrasel 3 CO W CSSI0tER 3RACFOR02 I have one, and I = art read 9 i: now. But I could Jus; es easily circulate 1: Oc you. . in e. I'd go wi:h :ne 10 CO W I.55 I0fER AHEA.UE : .I 1 parsgrsph. CHACR.'4AN HEfCRI5: Dick? 12 13 CGM ESSICtER XE}NEDY : I ques s Ild pa ss.. I find '9 Ia tha': we're cre a.ing e procedure he re, and a process,.,nich 15 is gcLng t= be close Oc interminable, and dealing wi:n sc 16 many Lssues and cententions cf su:n ::=;iexity :na: it it is 17 ever : cpleted it would be a remarkable thing. 13 If L unds. st..ec ho w this vss r eally ;cing werk 17 and.vha; effac: i: eas ;;ing :: have On :.13 ;.::sedi.;, :'t 20 be more inclinad Oc ac: rign: new. I sincly ce nc 'new. Il It has no: yet been pointed cu: Oc ma in very cisar terms. 22 Th.s 's undcuctedly my cwn inacility :: understanc 10. -c ; 23

he inacility of, tacse *.rying *: :enVe /

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4 54 ...e 91,,:. 3 4 7v. 1p 1 "MA*RMAN HENOO*Et A care majority in f a vo r, a: 2 laest entstively, cf ycur paragra:h. Stick it in. 3 Good heavens ! A CO MMLSSIONER 3RADFORD I-'s all L7 :ne first 5 sentsecs. 6 CHAIRMAN HENDRIEs La us teac f orwarc :c 0, :ags 7 12. Peter, c you want Oc Lead on this since it is 3 alleged -- 9 COMMISSICNER 3RACFORC

I: seems t: ce na:

10 certainly ence one defers ruling en wnetner :nese issues .which I had in sind are entirely the enes Ma: we've agreed 12

def er ruling en, I wculdn't advecata rul'ng :n :nis

/sM poin,cutside the framework of voting en the issues 12 a la

hemselves.

~ In unat is, I den : :nink L:'s nece ssary := fund s 16 pecpLe :c raise tne c:nzantions in :he firs: place, :ha: i 17 think we can expect will napcen. 13 CO MM L55 :0NER AHEARNE:

s enat a sucse: cf 17 inte rventions tha: you're concerned accu ?

Ca.,h,.. a,N.n :..Au. C,C y c3 waa c n r n .es. 21 COMMI5SIONER KENNEDY: Only :ncse7 ..../.., .a _., e, n.L.- (, <e n- ,n. eu-ce. .e, .c s ~.c .w 22 specift:!!17 ea tr.ir re; .' issues es ':e tag un icue und er .9 9 la A::, and 11sc a se: cf issues en ani:n de ::ui:n ex;ec: s -a ,ay :na

e::;a 23

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s.e. s e u, e. s s./. r. <..t a.. .k a.c p, e. s.. q.t, X,. s. i g,., n,. k.g s <.)$ neC e.3g / L .m 1 .na; as a pa-: o f ge tting t.* e tss ues.:ut into centention fo m. I :nink anyone wr c is sericus encugn accu: these 5 r 6 issues to be a legitima:a candidate for funding wou.id ;c 7 thrcugh the prccess of putting ther:r in cen:enticn. 3 CO MI.SSIONER Al-EARNE : Sc ycu'd recc mend t ,..., < w,/c u. s,....4.,., r.e s.,., -y .3 10 COMI55IONER KE.kWEDY : I <culd lik e := nc e :hac

Jl did ask counsel to prepare a temorancum, wnien I heced was

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56 e. L,.a.,6 y m 10 t wugh; :: have been menticcec and ref erred :, and ;ernaps 2 assessed in some aay in :na me=crunc a.. . trs t, it is, I belie ve, *ru e that the Chairman of 3 A cur own oversignt comatittae in r:cuc.ad on his cwn action and eha.i .a. . s c %..<3 4 .,.,.,..,..i. =. w d for funding which was rejected by the co-mi: ee. ! :ncugn: 7 that was relevan in ter s c.! scme view, at least, or a: 3 least one temporary view of Congressional inten: and 1 L...... a. s. 10 Secondly, I wou.Ld ncte that ra:ner recenciy :ners Jl was an extensive decate on the 110er in ene of ths bcdias, 12 .which ax: ended for scme cens.iderable peri:d of

ins, 1.1 -

'f c.11cwing wh.ic5 - I baile ve: this matter certains to scme (* 1 *. arm of the Cacartment Of En.ergy - and ne re was a grea: 15 deal of sentiment excressed :nere and I wculd have :ncught t e .. s w-.,. ,..< n..a . u..rs.< a-

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,4 v 4 o.r., s s..,.2 3.?.* .w3 .'.4 .s 4., s. =. 4 ~.. I; meme as :ersuasive as I hcpec 1:.culd ce, 0.make me 20 -un eq u.ivo ca lly, as I neced I would - supper:.he 21 proposition. It is net tna : ? disagree with the ...7e.*a',..'..'.'.'.'.'_*,'_', .a.." ..3,.,..

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,m..,,, _5., w...<., . t.<.. s. <5 < t.i. ~,._ _i r ..,,.......,,.~.a.. It. O c v io us '.y. And ycu gave me a cas ts f:r :nint.ing ::..e r E3 wise, P. sc.-- y. .-,4_y = y .--g

4 .21 7.,, 9 1..,. nv 0 I rne C==tre.11er General lea'res me, :: say the very ~ e. ....,a..,...,.w. .e. ..,... sy 1 as., 3 was lega'1, he would have sa Ld 50. ~ .t. MR. SICC1LT: We.ll, we did no: 4.! cts yo u an = ,,n a q..e *tC c a.t.,.n. n.. .../a Sc. .a .~. 4 COMMISSIO:iER KEMIEDY 2 Tnat's *na I het ask-d e 3 MR. SIC:C1IT: Cur need to acvise you as cest we can over Oda cur desire : give ycu an unequ.ivocal

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10 COWL 5SICffE2 EMIEDY I understanc Ona: and 11 appracia:s that. Your wisdem is excapti nal. 12. 00 WI.55:0:ER AMEAR?Er If the questian of the I3 Comptro.11er Genera.L's' pinion, s inca L: Lecks like we're i-l.'. da te r-ing :nis unziL res:Luzien :: :ne canzencicn, pernaps 15 we can ask he Ccmp;r LLer General 2 13 MR. SICCNIT: Car ainly. And we c cid aise 17 acdre ss the pcints Commissioner Xe ~n edy nas ra Lsed. 1.2 .y.a. r'e.-es.w.u..- .9 .,..'.s .a.t s m- .-.....x. u. 1; . at :he speciti: concerns on funcLng na: C:mm L.ss i:ne r 20 3radfort would have indi:sted, <ri:h nign. get us a cre 21 f:cused answer. .T C,.,.i s. w. ~,.n. e.e,,.r e.:.

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