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Transcript of 850618 Meeting in Oak Harbor,Oh Re Action Plan for Main Feedwater Pump Control Sys Following 850609 Event. Pp 1-24

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BEFORE THE PACT FINDING TASK FORCE A 2

OF THE NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3 * *

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Davis-Besse event  :

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2 J. T. Beard (NRC) 3 Ernie Rossi (USNRC) 4 Don Missig (Senior Assistant Engineer) 5 Tom Isley (Maintenance Specialist) 6 Jeff Blay (Senior Assistant Engineer) 7 Al Topor (J&C Maintenance Engineer)

S David Lewis (Attorney) 9 Larry Grime (TED-Nuclear Safety Manager) 10 Walt Rogers (Region III) 11 John Wood (TED-Fac. Engrg. Gen. Supr.)

12 Dennis Mominee (TED-QA Supervisor) 13 Terry Murray (TED-Assistant Vice-President 14 Nuclear Opera tions) 15 Bernie Boyer (TED-Nuclear Projects Director) 16 Steve Wideman (TED-Senior Licensing Specialist) 17 Phil Hildebrandt (Consultant) la Bob Peters (Licensing Manager) 19 Nick Jackiw (Region III) 20 21 22 23 24 O RUNFOLA & ASSOCIATES (614)445-8477 COMPUTERIZED TRANSCRIPTION

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1 Tuesday Afternoon Session 2 June 18,19 85 3 1:19 o' clock p.m.

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1 4 MR. BEARD: Nature of the review. Let me 5 ask a question. Terry, maybe you are the right one 6 to ask. I don't Know for sure.

7 Have you had someone specifically review 3 this plan as a QA check against the generic 9 guidelines to see it it contorms to the guidelines?

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15 MR. MOMINSE: I am Dennis Mominee. I am 16 the Quality Assurance supervisor. I am part of the f

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19 MR. BEARD: I j So you or somebody working for 20 you did a QA check against the guidelines, and you 21 have determined this action plan conforms to it.

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MR. ROSSI: Why don't we begin again. We 3 had started to meet and then we realized you weren't 4 here,. Nick, and we stopped until you could get here.

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8 pump c o n t r o,! system action plan, and I have given'a 9 general ovt aview of the level of review that I had 10 given and J. T.owas about to add to that if he 11' wanted to.

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18 MR. ROSSI: I guess the biggest area that "19 it looked or'I had questions on was the degree of

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'21 MR. BEARD: Where, about to thentable in 22 the back.

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4 It looks like in-item number -- step 5 number two of tne action plan seems to specifically 6 indicate that some item will be done under the 1

7 direction of a GE representative, but then when I go

, 8 to-item three, I don't see that.

9 And could you better define what your 10 intent is witn respect to the vendor.

11- MR. ISLEY: Our intention with GE was they 12 would provide most of the direction and trouble j

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16 have- two : reprssen ta tives available for our service 17 here on site. ,

18 MR. BEARD: Do you know if the GE people q 19 are engineers or. technicians or what?

20 MR. ISLEY: One-of them i s a regional l 21- field representative out of Detroit. The other one 22 is a factory service representative, I believe,, from ,

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4 MR. MURRAY: I will let John respond to

5 that. It is more than just this one action plan.

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7 MR. WOOD: MPR has had direct involvement 8 in this particular item or main food pump turbine

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11 In addition to those specific items where 12 we are using MPR Phil Hildebrandt specifically as

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14 So MPR will have some involvement on a broad base on 15 everything and more detailed involvement on some 4

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17 MR. ROSSI: And the main teed water 18 controls are one of tne specific ones that they will 19 have --

3 20 MR. WOOD: Tha t's . correct.

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22 MR. BEARD: . Forgive my ignorance, what is 23 MPR7 What does it stand tor? What Kind of work --

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5 MR. BEARD: Is your expertise in providing 6 like engineering support to maintenance activities 7 like a refueling outage or is it in turbine control 8 or --

9 MR. HILDEBRANDT: All aspects of 10 engineering services primarily to utility and 11 operating plants.

12 MR. BEARD: Is it management thereot or 13 technical or.both?

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14 MR. HILDEBRANDT: Technical.

15 MR. EEARD: TnanA you. That gives me a 16 better understanding.

17 MR. ROSSI: On the involvement of GE, you 18- know, it is pretty specific under step two. I was a 19 little curious as to why it wasn't quite so specific 20 under step tnroe.

21 MR. WOOD: Is the quostion whether the GE

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i 17 MR. BLAY: One of us will be going.

18 MR. BEARD: One of the tour that is.

19 MR. ISLEY: Yes.

20 MR. BEARD: So you folks will maintain-the 21 traceability and company represent plans, maxes sure 22 the things =are done~that should be done and things t

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24 MR. BLAY: 'Right. And any documentation.

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10 1 MR. ROSSI: And broken equipment is kept p(J 2 and kept tracx of and that kind of thing.

3 MR. WIDEMAN: Again, I thing under the 4 guidelines it said that that type ot equipment will 5 be done under a Q purchase order, and our Q P O 6 calls tor that type et docume n ca tion be supplied.

7 MR. ROSSI: Do you have any comments or --

8 MR. BEARD: I do, but I would rather wait 3 and get it in context.

10 MR. ROSSI: I am finished with questions 11 on it. Go ahead.

12 MR. BEARD: Let me start at the tront 13 because I made my comments in the margin, and a 14 couple of them were more like observations than 15 suggestions or tnings of that nature.

16 I noticed thfit on page two it indicates 17 that during the event the speed of the turbine went la from, as near as I can tell, 3400 RPM and jumped 19 1600 RPM. Tha t's a significant increase; isn't it?

20 MR. BLAY: Yes, sir.

21 MR. BSARD: These are just observations.

22 Oh, yeah, I have a question on page 6 under the 23 section entitled Pailure Hypothoses Summary.

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11 i s ta temen t that says tne ICS turbine speed control

(_/ 2 circuitry responded proporly by reducing the speed 3 reference signal (demanded turbine speed).

4 My question is how did we arrive at this 5 knowledge?

6 MR. ISLEY: During the trip we had on June 7 9, the monitoring that we nad available to us didn't 8 provide us any conclusive evidence at to what caused 9 the turbine to trip. ,

10 We installed the test equipment, and one 11 of the points we are monitoring was this ICS speed 12 signal to the main feed pump. And from that chart

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15 MR. BEARD: This was during the June 9 16 event you had this ins trumen ta tion , and that's where 17 you saw it. .

18 MR. BLAY: It was hooked up tollowing the 19 June 2 trip.

20 MR. MURRAY: It was following the June 2 21 trip so that we were able to maxe tnis observation 22 following the June 9 trip.

23 MR. BEARD: Got it. Thank you. Just a 7s 24 matter of understanding, because this is the first

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12 1 one of these action plans we have reviewed under the (DJ 2 guidelines.

3 On page 8, there is a section called 4 Hypotheses Investigation. Should it be my 5 in te rpre ta tion in a more general sense those are the 6 three nypotheses of wha t tne root causes of tne 7 tailure are?

8 MR. BLAY: Yes.

9 MR. BEARD: All right. Now, on I guess 10 this table in the back or action plan enart like you 11 have got, page 1 ot 4, can you tell me a little bit 12 about to what extent you nave discussed this 13 particular problem with the vendor in the

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18 Have you nad such a discussion?

19 MR. ISLEY: Yes.

20 MR. BLAY: We have with GE, yes. You want 21 to talk about that list.

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when the plant 23 tripped on the 9th, I had gotten a hold of GE that 24 same day and described to him wnst we saw and asked

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3 I had also talked to the people from MPR 4 Associates, who were involved in the main feed pump 5 testing earlier, and explained to them what nad 6 ha ppe ne d.

7 Again, we all agreed that some kind of --

8 one possible causo of this is a loose connection in 9 either the speed sensing or the valve teedback loop 10 coulc have caused what we have seen.

11 MR. BEARD: So they did assist you in l' 2 developing these steps?

13 MR. ISLEY: They certainly did. We worked

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15 MR. ROSSI: I think we should snow Walt 16 Rogers came in. He is from the NRC Region III. He 17 is the senior resident here I believe. So it he 18 speaks up you will know who he is.

19 MR. BEARD: Item two, Step two I guess it 20 is called on this chart, I am curious when you go to 21 check'particular printed circuit boards but the 22 particular boards you list four of interest and you 23 state that function signal generators may be used as l 24 input signals. j

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3 MR. ISLEY: I understand.

4 MR. MOMINEE: In addition to that, we are 1 5 going to have some -- one of these individuals there 6 or someone who is cognizant or the work going on at 7 all times, and we are also going to have QC coverage 8 there a hundred percent or the time.

9 We will have a QC person there, and they 10 nave had instructions to make sure those guidelines 11 are followed.

12 MR. BEARD: On the last page, I have got

{) 13 one last comment, and I am tinished. This one we 14 may need to discuss just a moment to maxe sure I 15 nave a proper understanding, but as I understand in 16 ene previous steps you are going to take various 1

17 boseds and do some input of some function generators 18 or whatever.

19 You are going to test various boards, and 20 it you can't determine cause, you are going to send 21 the boards out.

22 Ma. ISLEY: Tha t's correct.

23 MR. BEARD: The question came to my mind 24 immediately by trouble shooting by substituting a A

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17 1 board known to be good and see it that makes the

) 2 problem go away versus sending a suspect board ott 3 site. I am wondering it you can give me some feel 4 because -- well --

5 MR. ISLEY: We nave'no plans on doing the 6 substitution routine. If we isolate a bad board, it 7 we isolate the problem to a board, we will nave 8 possibly isolated to a specific component on board 9 on site.

10 If we cannot isola te to a specific 11 component on site, thst board will oe sent to tne 12 tactory tor isolation to the specific component.

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16 MR. BEARD: You are explaining something 17 as I hac not understood as I read tnis. I had not 18 understood you were going to isolate to a board and 19 then a co.mponent on the board. That wasn't clear to 20 me.

21 MR. ISLEY: I intend to try and isolate to 22 a component if possible.

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18 1 not the lowest level you go in materials of 2 replacement to get the macnine operable again?

3 MR. ISLEY: It depends upon the time 4 constraints we nave.

5 MR. BEARD: Assuming you have a spare 6 board.

7 MR. ISLEY: It we have a spara board, d normally we will replace the bosed and then send the 9 board out for repair.

10 MR. BEARD: Would your trouble shooting to 11 contirm tnat you found tne tault -- let me say it 12 11xe this, when I was taught to trouble shoot, I 13 guess, you maxe an educated guess wnich board it is.

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14 You replace it with a nsw one and convince yourselt 15 the problem is away.

16 To test it you put tne old one in and see

17 it tne problem is going to return. Does your 18 trouble shooting include that confirmatory step when 19 you think you replace the faulty bosed with the good 20 one.

21 Do you intend to put tne old one in and 22 show proof positive tnat you tound the faulty one?

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7 MR. MURRAY: John.

8 MR. WOOD: We nave given you also, I tninn, 9 the turbine bypass problem analysis. I think our

10 intention in the focus or this report that you have 11 and that we are trying to establish that the timing 12 of this tailure was in the time trame tnat should 13 not be a primo concern of the fact finding team.

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20 that we could commence on getting setup to tear the 21 valve apart and see wha t re-placement parts or 22 activities we will have to undergo in order to 23 restore that valve in that arrangement.

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22 1 MR. ROGERS: I will be doing my normal job x 2 in terms of watching wha t's going on making sure 3 with the new guidelines that you are in accordance i

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6 MR. ISLEY: Okay.

7 MR. WIDEMAN: I went down and witnessed, 8 watched some of the activities on AF 599 and 608.

9 And they had the two inspectors and, you know, at 10 certain points in time there was maybe some 11 discusalon between the lead and the NRC as to maybe 12 they-just had a couple ot questions or, you Know,

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14 So basically they are just overviewing the 15 activities.

16 MR. ISLEY: Okay. Thank you very much.

17 MR. BEARD: Could we take a minute.

18 MR. ROSSI: Well, as far as I am concerned, 19 it no one also has any otner comments -- did you 20 have anything else?

21 MR. ROGERS: I just wondered when they 22 were going to actually start doing the work.

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rh Is) 2 MR. ROGERS: I get a good night's sleep.

3 MR. ISLEY: No problem there, Walt. No 4 problem.

5 MR. ROSSI: I think we can end the meeting, 6 and we will get back when we got to the next one.

7 MR. GRIME: We can also plan to put tne 8 NI's on tomorrow's plan.

9 MR. ROSSI: The NI's and turbine bypass is 10 fine.

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