ML20116M997
| ML20116M997 | |
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|---|---|
| Site: | Vogtle  |
| Issue date: | 03/26/1985 |
| From: | Lawless W GEORGIA POWER CO. |
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| CON-#285-853 OL, NUDOCS 8505060445 | |
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333 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION '
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BEFORE THE ATOMIC SAFETY AND LICENSING BOARD N,'
IN THE MATTER OF:
REMTED CORRESPONDENC4 UNC GEORGIA POWER COMPANY, DOCKET NOS. j)-
A!0:47 et al, (Vogtle Electric
'50-5L Generating Plant Units GFFIC OF SECRLIAh 1 and 2)
DOCKE ING & SERVICT BRANCH s
Deposition of WILLIAM LAWLESS, taken on behalf of the Applicants, pursuant to Notice, before Mary J.
Brewster, Certified Court Reporter and Notary Public, at 1400 t
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Candler Building, Atlanta, Georgia, on the 26th day of March, 1985, commencing at the hour of 10:15 a.m.
$TUART S. H USEBY & ASSOCIATES,1 NC.
CERTIFIED SHORTHAND COURT REPORTERS Suite 400 One Park Place P. O. Box 719 7
1900 Emitry Street, N.W.
Goinesville, Georgio 30503 Atlanto, ;eorgio 30313 (404) 536 7028 (4041 351 0300
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record thic is the c'e p o c i t i o n o f I'illia!.i Lculect, tr. hen 10 rurcuent to Entice, uith the t ir: c anf placc a t r c c c' upon l
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15 yesterday you requested you would bc elloued to tape 16 r e c o r c' thin deracition?
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recor6er on and nrcounablv. e v e r.v t h i: c. else that O
trancpircc, uhat the court rctorter ta l: e c ccmn could be
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'.c i t h everybody'c rerr:iccion in the roca.
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ro you reprcccnt either 1C of the Intervenora in thic action?
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e 19 having toen firct d u l'f c:Orn, uce c ::a:: ine f and 20' testified c.c follou..:
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Uho in pcying ::r. Plach to reprocent you?
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I don't believe he'. being paid.
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communicationc betueen av client and a.vcelf cn the basis 4
10 of the ctborney-client rrivilcgo.
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(ry Cr. Pavenport)
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' lack; I'n juct 14 cchinc. uhether ycu contactc<! h i r.'
or he contccted you or 15 coracone clue contacted vor cbout h i;.- renrecentinc. vou?
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It vac cuggestcc; that I r.ight vant to hcvc cn 17 attorney and c name ues c e gg e c tieC and I rccCily acreeC.
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rhat is your current nCdrenc?
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Ubat in thet?
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3203 I?o r r i.- C o u r t.
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Do you have a bucinccc aCCrecc?
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Yec I Co.
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Phat is that?
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rcine College, tbc.M c t h I'o p a r t re e n t, 1235 15th G
Street in T.ugurta 30910.
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Pave you ever had your Cc:.osition t al: c r.
10 before, Er. Lawlecs?
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Phun en: that?
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I Con't reccll c:cctly.
It ucs r:nybe the 14 carly 70r, and involvec cc::,e ': uc ine m: dealince.
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rucinecc Coalingc in chich you were involve 6?
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I'uring the cource of that 6epocition, uaa 18 there any diccussion of cubjectc relcvent to the ircues 19 raiced by the aCr.:itted contentione in thic rrocccCing?
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Phat cort of ruit ua-that (crocition t al:e n 22 in relation to?
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Iave you talhc6 to your attorney or to the 3
attorney for the Intervenorr about the ferocition?
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I talkcf to
.1y attorney.
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You knou that you cre respon6ing to my 6
cuestionc under oath cnd that your rerponccc are being 7
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-- by the court reporter just ac if you verc-10 testifying at c hearing Sc fore the ? tonic Fafety and 11 Licencing roarf?
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Let ne c::rlcin ny perrocc. in orhing you todav.
I'e tr"ing to get inferration about 14 cucctionc 15 your bachground, about thc rubjec.s about ubich you're 1G knowledgeable about, the basic for sone of the 17 contentions na6e by the In:crvenorc in thic rreceeding.
10 I'm not trying to trick or confec. yo t<.
If I ach you a i
10 question you think in confucing or yor Con't unforstan6, 20 please ctop ne and ach r' e
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21 Itave you Oone cnything to prc;cre for thir (crocition?
cory of Cocunentc.
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4 23 I revieucC rather crichly conc of our interrotetorien.
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You 616 revicu c o r.' c of the i n t e r r o c a t o r '.r t
4 recponce; r.adc by the partiec in this r r o cc c c'ing ?
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IInvc you reviewed anything other then 7
interrogatory r e si'o n c e s ?
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Ic that the draft document e r. t i t l e t' hvannah 6
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Piver Plant Offnite I'c c'i oa c t iv e Ec l c a r c c ?
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Tc s, thct'c correct.
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7.nything cluc other then thcce C o c o::.c n t c that e
j 15 you have ncntioned already?
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Do, I have not.
17 P.
Are you married, Fr. Lculess?
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to thct cucction'on 19 the croundc that it'n irrelcve.nt to thic ; r o c c c t:in g.
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i 16 I c cc unt your inctrection vould be -- your 17 obj2ction would be the cane abcut <; t e c t i o n c about :' r.
i 18 Fr. Laulecc having been divorcc6 or cerarated?
19 I:P. PL T.CT :
Thc,t'c correct.
20 C.
(Dy Cr. Davenport)
I'r. L,.ule c c, uculd you 21 dcci: ribe for.ic yot r c6ucction cincc hich cchool?
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I vent t3 Lcbern Ur.ivcrcit" for nbout ci:
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..on t h n Crorter out o f 2.e'c c r n Univerrity en/ i.* e n t bach r
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rachelorc in 1970 cnf the cacter in IP77.
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t owa r c'c c Th.D. in Phycice fron the Univercity of routh 5
Carolina, and I have also taken advance cources in 6
r:s vch ol o gy f r o::. I.u c u c t a Collece i n 7.c r. u c t a, neorc.ia, i
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7 r'octly statictical analycin, thocc s c.r t s of things.
O I alco have had technical training in thc S
I;a rine Co r p, went to a flight cchool, becauc a pilot.
10 I have been to a fair r.uober cf technical cohoolc in the j
11 nilitary.
I don't knou hou nuch Cetail did yor cent on 17
- that, l' u t thct' c cuick ov e rv i c.' 02 it.
13 P.
Uhen did yce first arrivc at 7,tber:'?
I le 1050, in the fall of 1050.
15 O.
You left appr o::in.a tely cir r.on thc thercafter?
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7.b o u t, yec.
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Merc you paccinc at the tir:c you Icft?
F 10 n.
i'a r e ly.
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You indicated that you arrc.'c6 at LSU unc it 20' in 1907?
21 A.
106 -- I ' ra not c;r i t e certrin.
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rid you cttcnc L:T contiatally ' etucen 3 070 c
N cnd 1977 uhen you receivcJ : :?ctcrc verree?
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I and left in '71 and returned in '77 to completc my 4
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Doth of your Cerrecc f r o!, LDU crc in j
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racchaniccl engineering?
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Yes, that'c correct.
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1:ou rcany hourn of courrec have yce tar.en at 1
7 the Univercity of South Carolinc : o r.:: r f a rh.".
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I'h y c i e n ?
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Ten.
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I'ou cany hour s cre rcquired for a Ph.D.
in' 11 Physicc?
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"ou long uould it tahc roe poing full-time to I
complete the hourc r ecf r i r c r.ie n t I 14 15 T.
I think th a t ' r. f a i r l y h a r c '. c a c c e u c.
15 Probably a year and a half to tuc cnC a h e ll. yearc, i
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Have.vou in the lact.> car cade an" effort to l
10 obtain aCCitional hours ct the Univercity o.
CGuth i
19 Carolina towards a Ph.D.?
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1:o t in phycies.
I have taken aCCitional 21 ccurccc in ctatirtice.: t 2.u c: r c t a Collcre enc o;her 22 cources.
I have got percenal rcaton that have hept ce 23 in the Ingucta arca ani I have not '. e c n cbic to leave to 2 /.
cc,;10tc u o r '- en s rh.".
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The courrec at lu,;tata C.: l l e r; c, or: tuote l
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coursen Ecrt"cf a decrce p r o g r ara ?
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They could he.
I'r. not rart of a cegree 2
precram, houcvtr.
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You're not currently enrollca in the degree 5
program?
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That's correct.
7 O.
Arc tbey crcducte lavel coerceL?
C A.
Yac, that'c correct.
9 C.
Poor 7,ugucta Collace offtr a grcCuate accree 10 in statistice or vould it be a Cecrce in rcycholory?
11 A.
Feychology.
I'm nere thnt they bcVe one in 12 ctaticticc, but I'm not certain.
13 n.
- ithin the general arec c
.tchcr.iccl oic..,your :. t c e..lec tactc on an) Iar,icular
_o engineerine, 15 ccaller area un6er thct large crea?
16 A.
I probably coulc hcVe cincrcG in metallur y.
i 17 I have a fair ctrength in ra therr.a t icc c1cc.
An6 then 13 c::te n s i v e bachground in aeronautical bcckgrounC nnd hcot 19 trcncfer.
20' O.
I'm sorry, I mincee the 1cct enc.
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Uect trancEnc, cnd c fair cracticc training 22 in nuclear enr..inecr,ino. a nel.actc r a n a c. c i, e n t.
23 C.
AnC the traininc t.ha; you'vc har in nuclear c n c r r. v. and varte rwncretwnt cccerrc( Curing the reriod 25 you cerc cc,:loyed at the C a v m n c 1.
Tiver 91 cat?
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I*think engineering, it wac r.;c c h an ica l ent necting i
cnginecrint, that'c part of the ccchanical 9
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ficlC, or at leact it "a c via_:. 7 went to ccbcol.
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Co you diC take n o r;t e cc u r cc c in aucicar 1
5 en c-i n c e r i n c et LSU?
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1:o t ci:ccifically, but the heat transfer 1
7 cources en6 netallurciccl c o e r c e r.
cico touched on the i
S cubject.
I*e c t of the nuclear engincering traininc thri t 0
I've picked up, however, hac been cince I'vc been at the 10 cavannah River riant.
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Por your I:a c t e r c C.c c r c e Cid you have to urite
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' hat vac the cuhj ec t of your theric?
1 15 L.
Solar (rhunidificction.
I 16 0.
Colar Cchunidification?
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Can you c::rlain very briefly uha t that neanc?
10 L.
Corrarinc rechenical engincerine cycteas for 19 air c o n d i t ien i r.g.
One of the thince that you can une 20' colar heat ir to holy (cht r;idify en cnvitor~cnt enf
?.1 thcrcby cool it.
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ro a n i b il i t,.
e-eir confi t i c -ine i:L I .: e : ' i f J c c t i o n.
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In the Fe r inc c ?
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"or long uerc ycu in the cervice?
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I voc in the nilitary active Cuty for five t
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I une in the Ecccrvec clco.
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'ou receivr6 variouc 14 C.
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Can you tell r.c uhat cubjectc yau received l
1P technical traininc on?
10 A.
Ucll, flicht scheci, elec:ronicc.
20 C.
Isny cubject: that reinteC to nuclent I
21 cncineering?
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Fone t
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r'ha t ucc your renk mt Circhcrca?
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7 L ic e t r: n a n t Colonel.
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DiC you rcccive ar. hnpor91c Ciccharge?
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5 O.
Have you ever been chargcC vith c criue, F. r.
6 Lcx1ccc, othcr than ainor traffic cffencec?
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I:r uhot are v, o u currentit-c u.t l o.
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Paine College.
10 C.
Uhat pocition do you hc16 uith raine College?
11 n.
Tccictant profeccor cf..athcaaticc.
9 12 n.
Ecvc you over helC any cther jacition with 13 Faine Collcgr?
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I ucc director of inctitutionci 15 rcccarch for one year.
16 O.
Inctituticaal reccatch, thct c i t p l y :.;c a n 17 recearch about Paine Collucc?
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Yec, and all the inc and cute of r e t. o r t e fcr 19 the inctitution, staticticcl stcCicc that were necCed by t
20' a t;crticular profcccor, helring concone out in a 23 1 articular reccarch venturc, thct curt of ctuff.
2?
O.
crc.v.ou cctuc11v involvtf in r c.: t a r c h on c c l e n t n...ic incucc4 2/
Fr. PLICr:
'i c e
.:c n n c:e r ing that ratioC
- ' S cf t i. ' ut Circctor of in Litttienci rcce;rch?
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DIXCI!PCP.Y :
Ycc.
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2 Ti!r FI??'"EG:
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thu Cirector CC ll 3
inc t i't t t io na l rcccarch, I c.n.ir.teC r courlo of ochcr
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Profeccorr in their rccccrch i r.
reciolecy anC I ucc t
5 involved in nuclerr vacte reccarch on cy cun.
6 0
(E; I:r. Davenport)
- Thy do you r. o loncer hold 7
the rocition cf director of the inctitutioncl rcccarch?
P A
I did not enjoy 'he job.
9 O.
Eccoonc cice new holdr ths t robilion at Paine i
10 Collcce?
11 A.
They're not trying to hire coccone.
l l
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C.
Cou long have yct been an ccc.4ctant profcccor 13 of I cth0:nc ticc ct Paine Colleco?
14 T..
Chic ic co;.;pl e tin g the recond year.
15 C.
Uhat cro your (.etiec i1 that rosition?
16 A.
To teach.
17 C.
t.'h a t couracc Co you tecch?
10 71 I tocch calccirc, prc-ca]culus, algebra, 10 t r i c, o n o u e t r v.
I will be teachinc nCvencc0 calculuc and a
20' other courcec.
21 C.
Irc you teachinc rhycice or cny ::uclcar
??
related courrec?
"c
.cll.
I't.
22 T..
rcc, I ua tc0ching rhycica 92 tocchine a cc]celu: be.ne c rh" :i c: corr:c.
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nc jeu 'acvc tcntr r
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Ubo did you report to in your rocition as j
i 3
cccittant profeccor of rea th e r:.s t i c c ?
4
- T. FLACE:
I objec* to thct c;ucation on i
l 5
the bacin of relevancy anc I inctruct the uitnecc not to 6
cncuer.
f 7
0.
(ry I:r. Davenport)
Do you cerervice anyone t
0 in your ocition z.c accictant rrcfccccr of.m t herca t icc ?
I i
n t..c.
o.
10 U P.. FL Ts CF. :
E nc e n c :n.
I rc a h n the car;.c '
i t
i 11 cbjection cnd the ca:a c inctruction.
i 12 O.
(Ey
.'r.
revenport)
In raine College a public 13 or privcte cchool?
i 14 T..
It': a.nrivate school.
i i
15 O.
Uhat is its enrollrnnt?
i 16 Ti.
I'r. not certain eny norr.
It voc in the 750 i
i i
17 to COO ranco.
18 O.
It un c a ppr o::inc.L oly a y;ar cro uhen'you hhew i
I i
19 it to be in that rancc?
i.
20 A.
(I'i t n e c e nogs hecc' affirrativcly.)
21
'T.
FL.' CI' :
The uitnct;
?u nc0 ding hic
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hrev af2irnetiv(_ly.
'Ic v n c. c f to c n..; c r for the court 23 r e t:o r t e r.
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0 (Ey
- r. Davenrort) r.' o. ;
'c r( yc e eurloyed
?S Prior to 'ceceuing c:.Llofef b '; " 1.m rellq '?
17 t
1 C.
Sa*vannah River Pacility, by the repartment of 2
Energy.
3 C.
You in d ict. t e d that cince ycu left your i
4 cuployrant with the Dei a r t:acnt of "nergy that you have 5
been encaged in nuclcar waste research?
G A.
i'h a t ' s co r r e c t.
7 O.
Ccn you doccribe that recearch for rac ?
C I,.
I have becn cted,rino. ti, a variouc nvironrente
?
that radionuclides are relcated into, the air, ground l
10 and grounduater and curface.
I 11 C.
When you say you'rt ctedying, uhat 12 crecifically arc you doint ?
13
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I n.
- ooking at the r c i c a '
- : : t i. c '- cre eing j-14 releaced et the Savannch F.iver "ccilit; and tryinc to k
i 15 intecrate all the information and. cake it J
i i
16 understandable.
I ara alco aching gucations in arcac a
1 1
17 that don't make r.cnce and tr.uine. to ca ': c ctreicu and I
j 18 cor:.1;a r i con n o f the data that ic available.
19 0
1.' ave you publichcd anythine on that-cubject 20 cc of yet?
i 21 A.
Ycu, I havc.
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22 C.
'Iha t ?
Can ;cu give
- r. c the titlrJT
??
A.
l'o t offh;nd.
I've -- Let's cue.
I've got i
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t'ro letter: that crc tublich,C, pro - ly five crticlec j
that hcVe h r:e n con [.ltted.nnd otherc, *fariove other t
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1 articlec cnc.*tarcrs that arc in vervinc. s t a c. e r of beino.
2 corrletef.
3
- he t'.ro Ic htc r:
thct yot iniicetu ' hav been
/
- vblichcCr :hcre crc t h e '.
t c b l i c '.3 c C T L
P c ' l i c h e ci b' the rulletin anC cac ir to be 5
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7Uhlir.ref by Science I5.
7 0
"..c t ic the zulletin?
O i
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ulletin of the cto~ic.: c i e n t i r t :
9 O.
Ulic t cli 6 that lett._r cc:ic 0 r n ?
10 iT.
PL T.Cr :
I: o c h,
tor 1.n't the letter 11 itrelf be the bect c v i v e n c.: cf that?
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.n 33 rtcall: i.aor t it.
14
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It ca. on hici, levcl va:tec l _c beino cicposet in t.ne cnvaren: n,c cne it Ic e
15 cornenter'/ on another crticle -- I Ec not r _ cr..b e r the 17 cethor'n nei.C -- 'crittcn i. ' ccolorict, a n i. I ' I.; tryinc m
10 to point cut c o r.c of the tc.inc~ t!ot the ;cr: on t c c not IP a '. a r t of.
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It J.el; rith the P ven: h river "lan; anC
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22 alro it trict to rt. c h e
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Pii conc.rn
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cor.2rcic'.ec!
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1 71.
ECfence primarily.
2 0
I: hen you cay prinarily, 6id it Ciccucc at all 3
hich level 'zacte fron connercial E l ntc?
4 T..
Therc are a lot of c iraila r i t ic c ; there arc a 5
lot of Cincimilaritiec and uhcrc it applicc you can 6
generalice r.h e infernation.
7 C.
Do you recall the a r r r o::inc t c t it :e f rar:e that 8
that l'ttcr crpeared in the "ulletin?
C is.
It
? a c appro::ipately Scrucuber of lact year.
10 C.
The letter in Ecicnce l'5,
'that C i c' that 11 concern?
r 12
'" hat concerned an article chnt ucc Uritten in 13 I*a r ch on the Savannah river :'a c i l i ty, anC the article studicc that the Savannah niver 14 was on the ccolooical 15 Ccology Laboratory has p e r f o r tc.c C.
T.nd the title of the 16 article uac naciation in Para 6 ice.
I.n 6 I took e::coption 17 to nany of the comacnte made ar.d I dincucced grounducter 10 co n t ar.:ina t io n, con t araina t e d anirc.alc and the contaminated 30 environnent anC other thingc, the contauinacion of the 20' aquifer and cuch other thingc.
21 0
Uhat aquifer are you rcftrring tc?
??
A.
Tuccclooca 7ruifer.
23 P.
I' r. Laulecc, you infi er t, ' that fivc crticlec
?A have !?een cor..pletc6 by you?
O mj n
7:.
rev.
4 7
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2 1
1 4
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1 C.
I.' d y c cny of thoce five articlec been f
2 publichc??
5 1
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A.
u c of the crticles 17 c r t chil; I '7ac uori:ine i
4 at the Ccv::nnah I'.iv e r Plant; onc wat the Arptcical of 1
5 the Eurial Cround Savcnneh Jiver r1cnt ene cnother was f
j G
cn A12praical of the Curial Ground -- ucc n c. v e r i
7 finaliceC; it has cta"cd in 6rcft.
The ten: f or:
P crprcical wrc congleteC and acc i"cr finali: e6 c nc' rac 0
finalize 6 while I van there.
I hcvc cc::.ple t c C a report i
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10 for Con g r e s sr.:a n ringle.
Another cnc of the rcrortc ic' I
11 the DOS Cor.uents --
12
.T.
TI,7 C" :
cect for t i. c-recorC, thoce Ic, verc I t.c n t i z i e t carlier
,n o r t.
t,. i t orninc.
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TUC "ITI'rSC:
Ytc, right, thet'c correct.
15 Tnd I cen't reccl1 the fifth one at thic t i:.i c.
r 16 0
( P y ::r. Davenport)
Uculf the fifth article 17 be your Craft article on the aiJraical --
10 A.
I:c.
That one has not :'een c o t. : l e i. c. C y e t.
if C.
I Cidn't can to interre--t Jou.
20 A.
In aC6ition there have hcea tectitconiec that 21 I've givcn ec tart of the technic.] uo r :: t h.' t I've 22 cocrletcC.
23 0.
The rerort for Congrecn: an ringle, uhat Cid
"/
it concern?
25 A.
It u c.c a rccult cf r rtrict o f c o;..; 1 c i n t o
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thct I f i l e d .i i t h the Incrector General in 1c03.
7 Davannah 7iver riant hac ut tocether c icrict of L
3 recronces anC cart of thorc ree onr.c r.' c a l t ' 2.: i. c o rr.e 32 l
k
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or 33 cnvirentental iccccc o r-co n c s r ;ia that I Iw. J 5
raiced.
?nd thic ic termed e techniccl rcrort.
T.n d I G
ucc echef b" enc of the ctaff cf Conc. r e c c:.: n rinc.le'c to s
7 rceIon( to that technical re :or t a re.
I c7if c r. -~ that i
C fctr d the Ec: ic of thic rcport te h i;.
E D.
So your report b a :. i c c ll y rccponCe6 to the I
10 fin (incc L, tbc tcchnical rcrort?
L 4
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Yec, that'c correct.
2.nc that technical l?
rerort ic j uct ene of - n e:- b e r of ethcr rescrto that the
.I 13 Scvannah ".iver Flaat dic in r e c ;. o ;. -
tn th; cciclcints i
1/
that I but filed.
i 15 O.
Then you acntioneC the coracntc on the Crdt 15 envircnnental utatement.
"liat ecc the Crcft
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17 environtental c ua t c rc.e n t for Plant "ortle?
l 10 T,.
Ycc, that'. corrcct.
10 C.
Ucvc you r u b.. i t t e :'. ny cc: c.e n t c +71;h recroct 20' to the L-r.eactor?
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ve not includcC thet anc c tcch:.iccl focument, but
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it DOL in tMO 10 crea of the health : f f e c t :. cf c e r' i m b i o n, i.z 127 11 I I.
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effectc co lE attay or to i r.T: r e v c vi e n tin. ct.cra ier.t I
not c 16 health bh"cicint.
4 17 0
1.'h e n." o u cev heclth effect an t.>
10 e n v i r o n:.le n t, are yet tc1hinc about juct Co:. ratc; t tat 1 ('
ccn be c.eatured a: o t';,o c e r t o th:
- 1. lect en e
or 20 an inalc tii t h Lho e (c:< r'tc ?
23 7.
L'e r inctence, iC tertic; arc
' o u.: P o r, the 5
t1 nt : ni off the ;lant c o n L. :.1 n a L ci
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c r o,: a: o un:.:
"3 o ;- ': t r o l. t i u r 0, and the
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1 neacurer to prevent those turtlec f rom ' cing e
t 2
contacincted or to uce that inforcation cc c uay of 3
confronting ccerage honinc, or,tha t eve r ic cnucing the I
4 contanination.
5 C.
P.cain, your c::pe r ti ce ir not in the arca of 6
determining the effcct on the te r tic e; it'c on the i
l 7
erfect of rcc.iation on ran?
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f.
The health effectc cF the turtle, no.
l 9
O.
30 the fifth crticle that you have referred I
(
10 to previoucly unc this artic1c cbout hecith effectc of' l
11 the CEP er courcnto that you cafe to the panel ate 0y?
l 17 l.
" hat ic right, the title of the rcpert was any *:o t :'o cuitt r.ccurate-t 13 "he Savannah Piver rlent t
ae I recall it, u r Yhe cavannah Piver j
14 uhet the title 35 Plent Ecdioactive cnd Faccrfour.
j 16 O.
Uith the c::c c p t ic a of the corecntc on the b
v gtle, did 17 draft environmental statenant for the Flant o
10 any of thoce articlec refer to or c1: a l in ;g ucy uith
(
t 15' Plant Vectic?
i, 20'
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It ic roccibic.
I Con't percicularly l
21 r en e:d a r, iticleding or c::clud ing Vec cle.
It'c rert of f
f r
?2 the tcrritor.
It'c part of the err, whc c' l
/
i 23 raf.jnnuclidet vill ?all doun, scutle out frau airbornc
[
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r c i c c c c c '.. h c r e ether f ort'c nf cun urcination cic.ht recch,
.t n'on't r t. r a. N r i n c l i n r.
oct the Vogtle 7E ro I vic not I
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0 v
1 facility.
Det I talked about r.'any cites that currounCcd t
2 the Vogtle fccility.
1 J
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0, l.ny Ciccuccion of the Vogtle incility in d
i 4
there Ec[crL other then the c o n.:: e n t e on the frcft 5
environnental statenent voeld have becn in the con t e:: t i
6 of dicccccing the amount of ra(lation at the lcnt cite n
i 7
f r ora the 3cvannah niver Plant; ic thct eccurate?
?
7.
'?h : t ' :: comethct occuretc I u c u l c' bcvc uced 9
the Vogtle facilit' an part of thc environncnt thct ic 10 irapa ctcC by the Favannch Liver Plant.
11 0.
Det i r.
thece articler you die not ettcy in g
12 any uay or c oi.n.:e n t on r::1-accc f rc:
rient 'Jo c t l e ittelf?
13 T.
That is correct.
lo 0.
'Jc t indicatc6 that you '.cc given tcctic.ony on 15 6ifferent occccicnc an part of your tcchniccl.ork, and 16 on one o c c c c i o n '.. a c the tcc ti:acay on the L-nccctor in 17 Uovember 1983, in *.:hich you in61catcG you hac uretc a l f' pocition i. aper; in that correct?
10 A.
That ic corrcct.
20 0.
DiC yr.o acteelly tectify live beforc ncue 21 agency?
22 L.
"';ic t in corrcet.
22 0.
Wc t acency (iJ fou t c c t iZ' heZorc?
2M
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"'h c i<,.c ti..c n t of Dr. rrt, It w '- c '. the
5 Craft L-Ncctor environ: ant.1 in;,. c t :tateuent hecrint.
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1 0,
l'iin t ucc the cubject tactter of your i
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te c t i:no ny ?
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T..
It dealt with the Craft e nv ir e n:ac n' c l i:q:c c t
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cratencnt, tl.e levelc of grounductcr contcuination f r c:a j
5 variouc courcec.
It clco Ccalt with ccrrecion nittinc, 6
on the hich level uccte tan!:c.
It 6calt eith l
7 r rc dic': ion c
- '.a de by the Cavennoh niver Plant a n(. hou i
i l
C those
- rcCiccions had fcileC te cone to tacc.
Toot'c i
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9 kind of a qu i c': overvicu.
l 10 0
Ubat predictionc by the Cavannah :'iver Plant 11 did you tectify about?
12 I'It, :'L T.Cr :
rech, acain, I hcVe no 13 objection to you're achinc thccc crectient, %t it uould l
14 cecu lihc the docunentt thcuccivcc uculC be the bout i.
15 eviCcnce of thic.
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(ry I:r. Devenport)
"ac your t c c t i r..c ay
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17 tranccribed, I'r. Laulecc?
1 1
1 10 L.
Yen, it ucc.
10 C.
Can you tcll ne hich 'c r c f i c t io n ;
'cu 20' tcctificC abcut?
21 T..
OffhrnC, I cennct.
" t: t i r.
unuld di ve dealt
??
uith ubcther or not the Tuccalcocc cccicer could have 23 been contanineter or not.
It :: c - i:cy c (valt with f
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crounduarcr travel tiw :.
I C o n ' t: recall e::c c t ly.
25 O.
On cho t other occ: :!'ar v.";c i:1ven r
i f
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v.c 9
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t e c t ir.o ny ac rart of your technicr.1 uork?
c.rcr I g :.v c rublic 2
T..
On the health effectc c
3 tectinony in Tu cerabe r
'"3
'E3 4
O.
I ho did you tectify befcrc?
S-T..
E,efore the CCC panel.
6 0
Ic that the Center for Piccace control?
7 A.
Tec.
In Akin, Couth Carolina.
Ar.( 200 O
individcalc et the c a:a c tiuc.
9 0
17h a t uac the bacic cubject mattcr of that 10 tectimony?
11 A.
It (calt with -- wcll, acain, I uould like to 12 fall back on Phat my attorncy juct caid.
I can't rccall 13 everything.
It dealt uith a lot of ;rcCictions that 14 ucre cade by the Savannah niver Plant and heu rcany of 15 th era -- in fact, all of the rrc6iction: I Ccalt uith had 16 failed to cocc to pacc.
It dealt uith trounCuatcr 17 contcaint. tion; juct Coalt '/itf d lot of cubjects.
1C C.
"ac that tectimony tranceribce?
19 T.
Ycc, it vac.
20' r.
Irve you tectified on any other occacienc?
21 A.
I vac in ccert in c'enve ry of
'N, on0 22 tectifict' cc cn c :rer t uitnece on varioec thinc at the
.avc.nnah niver Plant, croend contarination, tirborne 23 PA r e l n a c c.;, c'i c e r o pe n c i e c between incernr1 cnC c::t c r n a l 25 rc:crtc,,ilot uccte tent., t n :- c o r r e.: ion.
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Did you clco tcctify about --
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And co forth.
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-- the r.rcdictionc thet
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- nentioned?
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Yec, I testified cbout that.
'6 C.
Ubat clid that proceedinc. cenccrn?
7 n.
It Cec 1t uith -- I ' :' not cerc u t.c t I can ccy.
3 I Cecl" rith indiviCualc thct hcd i -
0 C.
I'a s it a crininal." r o c c e C i n c. ?
r s
l 10 A.
I don't r e a lly r e r..er.b o r the naturc of thc i
i 11 chargen thct vere filcC againct cercaia individualc, but t
12 it hcC to Co stith traffic, let'c :cy Ca rnntrct. orc 13 againct the Ccvannah Eiver 21 ant, r:o::c. tl. iac ih e that.
i i
14 r'.
"7e r e you c c t u c.11y c Ci..it t:0 by tac Court as an i
15 e;;pe r t u i t n e t, c or Cic the Court nir-ly juct rrccent your 16 t e c t iraony ?
17 I'R. PL T, C'* :
I object to the c::t t n t it lQ cellt for a legni conclucion on the ;crt c2 t.be uitucca.
i 10 C.
(Py ::r. Davenport) 7e thc Fest of "our 20 rc co ll e c t i on, :'r. Lawltcc, do you r.. i e r.b c r whether the 21 C:urt cc:..ittei you cc. n c :Tc r t uitne.*. cr nor?
?"
T.,
I rc:ceri ct therc.>;: a lot of Ciccuucicn over 1
L 23 it, and I'r r:o t rcelly certain hov it Ucc recclved.
Put
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the uey I r e s. c ri c r it uc.
L ' w. t the Judre ccit thct if ry r
f 25 tertinony couli Lo tab <a a:
,crt 'tir ac a, i c.t e n d i ric.
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upon the interpretationc of the ;cople that vere
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lirtcnir.c to the i n f e r : 1. t i o n.
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. c r l:ir.c on E r.' I t crticle. Eor t:.e elletir 15 on rcficactive ecte i.. a ra. y. at 'richin t'.
m..: r t: :nt of 1C Encrc"2 I '.~ uori:ine on i ' reft
.r icle for I'c t e r e clonc 17 the car.e th ing.
10 It vill be J rc, t '. : r ci2:trunt ;ura;tetiver.
lE The n ull e t i., vill c r o : <n i' conce.r.tr. e n; treu.Coatcr L
a 20 c o n t r.r.i i n a t i o n.
Ucturc vill : rc
' 1; c.m c. n t r. ". t on c
'.l high len.l veutu *: e n t
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r O O l O n U C 1 1 0-t hC::l t t S U'
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'Jh c P e te r ti..c a t cf E r.o r [ y, InL;,uctor Gc.3rcl, a,
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I '.'.1 u r i t e an article c r-contacinatcC i
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turtlcc et the Gnvennrh river Flant and that vill juct i
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7 be cubr'it' e( ::c 'tariour. journaln.
7n6 there crc c
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probt.bly about Ecur or five other r.rtic1c. d. c t irc just 9
- c. u t t i n a " t a r t e c,
- c. r e e n i.' ' t c r conteuinction, one en 1
10 c t r o n t i ut.--0 0, contaninction in th e r.il: creunC the t
a j
11 fccilit".
An6. can't rcen11 the othorc c2fhani.
Poen l
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12 thct cttifice?
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711 ef thecc article: ba c i ca ll; relate 1/.
to the cp rction of the Davennah river riant?
l 15 A.
- l. t thin tire, rec.
Or, offritc r e l c c a t. c i
10 Cocument heuever cacc not.
Ic till rcictc to l'o c h 17 Vogtle arG the Ocvannch niver Plant.
t 1r D.
Do any of thenc, either thcce Oreftc cr the i
10 articlec thnt you tav c r tibl i e b e i, reflect r ric int 1 data 20 that you you celf 7.erivc0 or Co they citrly analync 6ata 23 cati.ered et the l' w a n r.c h n i v e r Tlent '. '
'ther rcol.le?
2?
A.
m not doing any c: crir nt :1 aork uyacif, g
'cint lyrevided by
2 but I an annlycing the Cat-thct i
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r r e c, e c t i n g trat (n t a ' e cencrcttC enc
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that ic c2.nr Conc.
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'f o u incicatct! that the nrticle c':out offtite relec.res uccit Ciccusc riant Voctle.
"ill it Circunn
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releaccc c. t riant Vogtle?
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I don't ' nliev - th rticle 1
7 her been uritten yct.
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10 Un. PLLCT:
rahe it clear uhat it ir l
11 uc're tc1hing about.
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33 h t.v e not f i n i r b e c' it, t re: bl; "ill
'e eti t t, at ially I
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changc6 bcfcrt I conricte it.
r 1F C.
( r;' J r. D r.v e n po r t )
In it: current c t ;,c e,
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16 6000 it dircuaL releasen fror Flant Vogtle?
l 17 A.
Yec.
e 10 D.
" hat sort of Ciscrecion Cocc it Scve chout r
I le releaces frou Flant Voctio?
20' A.
It givoc quotcc that the I' n v a a n c h
.7 3 v e r 21 L-reactor LEICD :a6e or concluc:cd 'hort rt 1c a cc c from
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the Plant Voctic.
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23 C.
It.;iq ly cuotec :.ctcrial that crrearcC in f
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the environ:..entel iu r e. c t :. t a t r.: n t far the r.-:'c a c t o r i
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br h( r C l Cl C b C C frC= Plhn= V 9tl% 7 Ii I
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Id gave a currary of the tcleace Coccc.
It diC not co into the character cf the rclecccc.
3 C.
?' hat positionc Cit you holC with 7cpart:ncnt
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of Dncrgy?
2 5
A.
ruite a feu different pacitionc.
"he lact G
onc vac oc c cenior project engineer in neclear vacte 7
r a n a c. o r:e n t.
c r.
Clia t rocition c' i d fou half prior t o ':.ceting D
cenior Eroject engincer?
it'a <: ver'1 10 A.
I ucc rectonc.iblc for 31 difficult gucction to en:4ucr beccure there verc guito c 12 feu Cifferent rocitionc.
I guaca t-f overcli Loaition 13 uca ec c.
- rojccc engineer the acire c i: ycarr that I lt vac at the Ocvannah Diver I'acility, which entciled 15 differcnt responcibilitier ct Cifferent ti:..ec.
Caybe encuer ctr gtection.
15 that's the Lect way to 17 0
Dic: your job title change Curing that 10 ci::-yea r i:crioC ?
I 19 A.
Yen, it CiC.
I <:on't r c cc l1 all cf the I
l 20' titlec, but the general title var cc c ::r o j e c t engineer.
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I:o c t of the vorP uct at a creject " rint.cr.
It ma1 22 caplify or help you by c::rlaining rc:;e of the vcrioec 23 jobs thct I did holC.
Ft O.
I'll ac!: you that in jrrt
- c. ninetc.
Did you h
- ocition eclitC c?nior rerecrch engincor?
27 over hol? v 1
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I*uac c cenior project encincer.
T. c part of i
2 that I overcau the rcccerch i r, inv level unctc, lou 1
3 levc] re c:ioa ctiv e rect; c:cu.e
- u-
- - - cirhcrne t
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rcdicactive uarte, high levt1 r a i.i o : et iv c vrte, i
i 5
trcnruranic vaatc and other pocitionc.
l 6
c.
" hat verc you r c'u t iec :. t the ti;ce you left 1
7 the revanne5 ri or rlant?
I:. diatel" "rict te your a
C
- leaving, ib a t i.erc your futies?
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Yhote ucrc ry Getiec
- t. c ccnior project i
i 10 engineer.
You uant the cr.:cific recronsibilitiec that'I r
11 had?
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"hy don't ycu give thosc to
.c.
,i 13
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Uell, in the lact c i: : o n t '.u E.forc I left I l?
had c::pt riencc d a r:;a j o r ch a n ce,
ini
- c. t tl.c t i: e that I h
l 15 left, I vac rcuronsible for over:ccir.c the construction l
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IC in radioactivo vaate tranageraant.
I var no icncer l
17 resnoncible far the longter... rccecrch ecr!.
rut cince 10 no one clce unCeratood i t I unc oftcn cellcJ :n to ucrh 10 on apcciel proble:c.
20 O.
Ubat egcin Ucrc t h c-arcas that ycu had been 21 involved in lengtern reccarch about?
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22 l.
Cigh level uactc, that'" raciocctive hio.n
3 level vc:;te, lou level
- u. :4 tc, t r a n a t r c ::i c, rhich ic l
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"4 radicactive, anC airberr.o r c. J i c : c t i c -
- cccc.
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an official category to be concerncC ebout within the 2
Darartrent of Energy; it'c :; orc of 2 Oc facto.
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That'.. correct.
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Durinc the lect ci:
r..o r. t h c C i d y c t havc anv L
1 7
Outies a:hcr than overceeing cenctrrc:-ion in the i
r a ci o a e.t i v e varte cancccrcent procrcr?
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ret I ccn't rcally r crael..t e r j
l 10 them.
During the lact c i : no n t h '. that I usc vit; the 11 covcrnr.ent I CiG lecc cnd lecc
- cch, i'o c t of the duticc IT that I haf utre rcrcoved f rot:
cnc I ;u C -- T e r i.g the 4
i 13 lect thrce or Zcur r.; o n t h c, Icr inctcnce, the 1'
14 cor.c t r uct ion vori: unc fairl" ell r t ::cr e C f ro:
.o c alco.
i lE O.
Prict to thic chant, t c. a t occurre0 c i;; rc.on th e 16 before jeu le2L -- let ac och ycu firce whcn (if "ou 2
i 17 leave?
10
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I 1cft in 2.uruct of 1003.
I 19 O.
Prior to the vinter of 1023, what uerc your t
I 20 duticc?
21 r.
In other
'.-or
- , crior to thic change that i
+
?2 occurrr.C?
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ravannah.'iv c r T.l a n t, lou Icvcl ucctc luric1 grounC and 7
the hira
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'Iro rct;.or:.i' ale for --
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force r eN,c r r for the U r.:o r ;
oc;ccc ;acir cont;nination 10 c t u cl i c t.
t::c.t vac ongoinc ct that ti.
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tiu~' I citcar hec r e c ron c ib il i c'.
for tuu lou level 17 ucctc
'ir r i a l cround cr the Lit' l
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.ut I Con't rccr.ll at t '.: : : ': i::c.
lf
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"our 'osition <. ',
- r. i a r 7roject i n g i:.c c r,
17 that in not c mancgcacnt It"cl ;ocition?
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Et the Scven:.ah rivcr ?lcnt?
20 2.
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I ucc.: t the to: of the 21 techniccl laCC r.
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" hen you iniicct.J cant o;
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'.'h a t i: correct.
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recearen ac to u,at
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C coulCn't?
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- ,'c h e c o r.1..c a t e to your "trcrvicor about t;;c 11 arproprictcnent of the reconrch?
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Thct'c correct.
Tico 1..
on Jirection:. to 13
', cetcriarc
'n
,' hat t h c ', luul; cr c h c.e 1. not rcccarc;.
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In ::y r.oc it ion it 'ca i:..c o r t r. r. t
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.c o c uv 1: c m; le, cecice act rccccrca 16 cuperiorc on that, to hel i f o r::.ulc.c c C c c i t. i o n cnC to l
17 pacc tl. a t Cecision bach to the con rcctor.
ou '70urcelf itc r e not the one that
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Eut v 10 that Cecirion, that 'ta c aie cy fotr cc arlar. haceC 20 c o ne t i:ac c on "aour cdvice'anC I a c: r:..c other tilt.ec not :n 21 yuer ac'v i ce ; i t 'a c t correct?
??
That'r corrcet.
23 "aat crecific creec i r.
':r:
c f c_ c o r; r c r h i c
'oe ccre involvcd crtac ct the l'. v..n n a h 'iver -' l t n : that f
f er t,. s e.
e
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'.dy t h i r thct dealt
.'ith r e c' i oa c t iv e tra c t e.
1 2
n.
'ic 700 b c *r c: a coctrity clocrence; aile "ot m e. /t.Ao.
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r c c r l : c r
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11 c.ucationr,
- r. h i. t I :ch chout h i. r e l n ; i n n c h i.c citi hir l'
cc :r i or:
c: the - c v a n :, a'c. Tiv.r :'l :: n t
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' ' c. i l e I Coa't crce rith your 15 charccterina; ion. I v: i t h C r ;.-
t-b c cb4 t.ction.
17 0.
(Ty :
. Davenfort)
P':0 Ci6 rot rciort to et 10 the Eavannch riv:r 51:nt?
l 10 T.
ircc:li, :'croit recacr.
20
.he t za n hic '.o:ition?
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would trf to focur thc Cccicionc thct rcef :0 to 1:e r a f.e,
7 corc to thc c o r. c l u.: i o n :. tEct r_.J u' to '. c J r..
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the 15 Ec crtut.at of ~.'nerc2" volun:ccril" J i C.'r e u lot?
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17 O.
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I the particula'r problem I h a t' filcC complaintc vith the 2
Incroctor Ccncrcl, the Parcrtr: cut of lnercy, for 3
generally -- cuarting in I 1:e l i e v <. it unc..;, c on e t ira c 4
in ::cy, andI filed a cerice cf five coarlaintr.
I 5
believe four of them vere concletcC before I left and C
the fifth one vac completed after I 1cft, althcuch the 7
Incrcctor General kncu of cl1 five cocplaintc lefore I P
had le"t.
9 Ecccccc I had no ucrh te Co uith the 10 covernnent cnd I did not enjoy thc environrent a n y r o r e,'
11 it vac very ctrecnful, becaune I felt that I coul6 ctay g
12 en the one banC t th the c ov e r nc.c n t c a c' 7erP thrcugh 13 uhatever I n e c t:a C to ut bacauce I u nted to r c r.a i n in 14 the Augucta arca b e c a t. c c of ;crcocal rcccons, I felt it 15 van bett to louve if I coult f i nt: c;.q l o ync a t in the 16 Augusta area.
17 If I could not fine nr.ployuent in the Augucta
.ith the covernnent end more 10 area, I would have clayef 19 than likely have been chippeC to roue 7ther locction.
i 20 0
Thecc fivc co u pl c. i n t t that yo u ner, t ion o ci,
.fter thir chtncc in your i
21 they wcre all fileci i
22 recronsibilitiet o c c u r r e c' ?
23 3.
That': correct.
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One of thert complaintt related to 25 conrtruction activitier, d i t' it rat?
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that time a new Craft Per, art:ent of '" n.' E c..'. r:culction 6
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concerning recto i'.anagenent?
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That's correct.
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7nothcr relate.6 to the t r r n c :.c r t of FU 232 i
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That'c correct.
11 C..
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rcrort that yot. r e n: r e d ?
"1 13 T.
"!b :' t ' r correct.
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I cuccc that cerclaint rclated to the fact 15 that that rcport was liele ur 2r/ not rcleccec an e final 16 report?
17 A.
That'c corrcct.
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That'c correct.
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I for't 5
!;nou the title, but I u,'. c a r r u j.c: c t cncincer.
5 C.
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15 through August cf 1977?
17 A.
'le c, that'< correct.
I fl C.
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concarva:lon an 'c);r c ' i n :. s. r i r r.
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Savannah River Plant, did ue cover all of the duties 2
that you were involved uith frce the time ou errived at 3
the river ;1 ant up to the time yot left or uns there 1
4 conc perioM that ue still nocd to tc1h about?
5 L.
There -- vell, we've talhed about all the 6
positione, that ic to cay, as project encinccr, but 7
uc've not talked about all of the Futica.
I h a 6 v o r h o c' a
t, c z i c l e.
circ prcicct arrice nor a.a c u.t a year eno c C
in 9
half at the ravannah River Facility loching cr various 10 mear.c of clocing the bach end of the nuclear fuel cite.-
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11 I've had variouc crccial pro $octs thet I've 12 ucrhed on.
One, for inntence, lochef et the rectart of 13 alliccl ceneral nuclear cerviccc.
It had been ctarted up 14 by the Depart.?cnt of Dnercy and or. orated cy DuPont.
15 There ucrc cuite a feu diffcrcnt cpccial projectn.
I 16 looked at the cpent fuel project for three or four 17 months, and cc forth and on.
10 I guccc the thread throuch all of th e vo r'~
19 that I have done hac ucually bean in either rcaearch or 20 in environmental reccarch or both, even when I u 2: uith 21 the fuel cycle project office.
For i n i: t a n c e, one of the 22 creaa that I ucrhef in thcre 'ca r in
- c. i r b o r n c r;dioactivo 23 rclecccc.
And I had ctarted r particciar pruject, l
2d CirecteC reront to becin tonitoring the try; ton-00 25 relecccc.
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vac at the 3dvannah niver Plant in 1077, early '70 was 2
that the krypton-CC gacca ucrc not being tonitoreC; they 3
ucrc cinply calculatcd and c:LiuataC.
4 Co we began a project in '7S of ebtaining 5
on-line nonitorc to inctall in the r n II canyon ctacks G
to conitor those gaccc.
Statenent that we began ucrhing 7
on, a reccarch project uith the Air Force and P0 7.,
C that'c ratural Oceanic and Atnocphcric Adriccian.
So uc 0
had begun a reccarch there that actually continute all 10 the uny through until the t irc.c I left.
11 C.
That rccearch unc bacically related to g
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docur..enting the --
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Airborne releuccc and cruentially con. paring 15 those te nodel predictionc?
1G A.
That'c correct.
17 0
Ubich of your activities at the Cavannch 10 River Plant concerned groundvater co n t ar.:in a t ion ?
19 A.
Foct of ray activiticc.
The lou level 20' radioactive burial ground i r.: pa c t e d the grounCuater and l
l 21 co doca the high level wacte tant fuci,
- o do cirborne i
22 rcleacec, ao do the trancuranic *cactcc.
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23 O.
Ubat are trancuranic tracceu?
l 24 A.
It'c hind of hard to ca.
It dercnde on your 1
?5 interpretation of the regula tio: c.
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1 trancuranic s 'abovc uraniuc, but cleo included ic uranium 2
226 and c::clu d c C cre como radionucli6cc above urcnium, 3
pl u t o n 5 urc. 23 0, pit tenion ?39, bacically pletonium and so 4
forth.
5 O.
Iir. L a t. l e c e, wtha t is your relationchip uith 6
Campaign !cr a Frccpercac Georcia?
7
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I snou them.
3 0.
Atc you c.acabe r ?
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10 C.
Arc you employed in any ucy by them?
11 A.
Iio.
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Arc you cn officer of it?
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Arc you on the board of directors?
15 A.
?o, I aa not.
16 0.
Do you aave any relationchip vith Georgianc 17 Againct I?uclear Energy?
18 A.,
I !:ncu c h e:u.
t 10 P.
Are you a member or en:rloyee or officer or on 20 the botcd of Girec; orc of that organication?
i 21
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22 0
Do ycu have any relationceir uith ::c' u c a t. i o n a l 23 Campaign for c Fronperouc Georgia?
24 I..
I'o, I Co not.
I for't P n o.; then unlecs it's t
1
'd 25 ti:c ranc cc the fir;t one jou nantionef.
Canpaign for a l
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1 Prosperouc Georgia is the one that I'n. faciliar uith.
2 0
- r. Lcwlecc, hcVe ycu cerved on cny advicory 3
pancic or co rar.:i t t e e n that havc addrecced issucc
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concernint reclear faciliticc?
5 A.
Yec, though in a limitcd uay.
There vere G
panels cet up for the De pa r t:ac n t cf Pnergy regulation 7
50.2; they were DOE ranelr.
I ccn't recall the title of 2
them.
9 0
Can you repeat that?
10 A.
DOC 50.2 radioactive uccte reanagccent, 11 0
Thoco ranele were cet up to diccucs the 12 changes that vould be ingles.cnted if that rcrulation g
13 ucre adopted?
14 T..
Yes, that'c corrcct.
Alco pancic cet up to 15 loch ct the post implementation.
15 Q.
Other than the inctcncca that you alrcady l
17 tectified about uhcre you gave tcctipony, have fou ever 10 appeared as a uitnecc before a court or cd:.iinictrative l?
accncy?
20
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"cll, I have i'cen -- I've been beforc quaci 4
21 panels or uhat bave you that uore official to review 2?
variouc pocitionc, technical pocitionc cn the 23 reculations and ctuff like that.
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cource of Ly rerP at the ravannch P.iver Plant.
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O.
Did eny a h 01: C proCCci D(c ConcCrn
45 1
crecifically*grouncuater contenination et the Savannah 2
Diver Plant?
3 A.
"ec and no.
I ucan grounfuctar ir just cart 4
of the environment.
5 C.
L'h a t I'm aching really ic uhe:ht.r any of 6
thouc proceedingc vere intended to loch Cirectly at the 7
groundwater contamination that baC occurrec..t the O
Savannah River Plant?
9
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CoulC you clarify intended by 10 uhom?
11 UP. Dl?lJ: POET:
ry choever rac b'olding 12 the procec6ing.
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14 quite c feu Ciccuccionr., fornal Ciccuscions on variouc 15 regulations, and you vot1C elucyc
'c e conccrned, for 16 instance, uhat the impact of the groun6uctor r;ich t be, 17 what cuch and cuch a change, uhat inract it night have 1G on the biote, no forth and no.
30 : can't tcccll 10 directly, but that voulc' have been c cart of it.
20' O.
(Py Er. Davenport) :.y quect ion ir c little 21 nore cpccific in the rence rhat I'i cctting et ic 22 uhether you have been involvce in an; proceeCingc that 23
' tere cct up to cCCroce c ricting con tcuinc tio:. rather P.'
thcn to l o ol-rt the effect of.
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Ydc.
2 T..
That var i.a r t of ry recroncibility.
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overecu renecial v o r !:, too.
That'c -- ThanP yce.
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A forgot th;t cne of ::.y rccponsibilitica var in the 5
decontamination and decontacinction reccarch.
G r.
again, that vac rececrch that var !:ein' 7
perfernec actuclly by DuPont thct you i.: c r c reviou<ng?
O T.,
It ' 'a c not only Durant that I -- T e Pc nt ucc 9
ry direct recpencibility Cay to f i.. *.
2ut ac rart of the j
10 job I alco hn6 to make tripc arcen0 the country to find 11 cut what other citcc verc foing an6 to interact uich 32 those citec c n'C to interect uith ranclc to hel;.
12 cctablich stcnceric and to enderctanf uhet
.c coir.g on 1/.
in the en v i r on:ne n t not only at the revannah 2iver Plant, 15 but th r cuchou t the Ocnartcent of C r a r c. ".
t 16 n.
Did "ou ever cetcall" nar:_icinatc in c n
a 2
17 proceedingc before a court or cdninictrctive acency or IP
.r e n o l ectcbliched bv cn aduinictrative a c. e n e." c o n c e r n'i n c a
IP the contatination that c ::i c t e r' in the crounduater at the 20 '
Savannch River Plant?
21 T.,
Ucll, uc've C i c c e c c,: C conc of the proccccings 22 that I wac involved in that -- fo yct have cocethinc --
23 ma"l: e if vou coulf
- c. i v e me en c ::a ::.pl e or (o vou have --
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D.
e l l, I brlieve thet you t c.n t i f i c i thct the 9
25 tectironv "nu c. a v a conccrnine the L-?cactor?
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2 O.
'lo u Gid 6 i r:c e c c g r e ur (*:e t e r --
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m.
4 C.
-- contauination in that proceefing?
5 T..
I'c certainly did, cnd the health effectc 6
6iccuccion also.
I 7
c'.
p.ny --
O I-I'c Cid lact c u rc te r in the Plant l'o g t l e 9
hearing, uc Ciscucced groundwatcr at thic tice.
1:e 10 eiscucce6 airborne releaccc et thic t i e s..
e t at a 11 nornici cource of affairs on my job I uc r.
involver in g
12
=any te ch n i c:.1 diccussion about proceccingc, IT C 13 procceCingc in 'Ta ching t.on, n.
C.
anC to f c r t:- anc on in 1'
1982.
15 O.
I hat UnC nrocactiingc ar: you refctring tc?
L 16 T..
Thic is on ror -- c::cese nc -- TIECl>.' part 17 61, the lou IcVel waste, radioactive uccte rcqulations 13 for the PRC and the contorcial cot:wnity.
l 10 O.
DiC you actuclly 'cotify?
20 A.
I?c 11, it vaen't tectifyinq co r.uch 0; it tra c l
21 an open technicel forte.
I,n d I ucnl to technical 1
i 22 rectingc lihc that iherc thc.' r o c c e ' i n g : ucrc he'ut and c
.; c L t may e on t.. : c. c.v e r a g e or once a,,
oyrticial rccertc ucre N
cvary three.c on t h c or co.
S c:. c t i:.:.c o onco c ranth.
25 O.
PiC you tver tectify in n;
,.r c e..: C i n c b e f o r e
1 1
an I. tonic Safety and Licencing roard?
2 n.
Only lact n uin n e r.
3
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P 7 'L T'P. :
Cpocial c r c h ea r inej i
t.
confercnce.
5 O.
(Ey IIr. Davenport)
!!c y c you ever appearea ac 6
a uitnccc befere a stete public ccrvice co:c.ni s c ion or 7
any othcr bo6y regulating utiliticc?
O n.
Once, ac rart of :c.y job Je went to the State C
of Florida.
I can't rcccll all of thc inc and outc rf 10 that trip; it uas a long tine ago.
11 0
I'h a t wac the general purcoce of the trip?
1?
A.
I Can't renenber.
13 You fon't renenber rhet yce tc;tifie6 about?
14 n.
I'o.
It uacn't -- thera *:ac not tcctinony 15 given by r.tycelf.
It wec a technical Ciccuccior.
16 0
Envc you ever rrovided any percon, cny group 17 or any organization an affiCavit for uce in a proceeding 13 relating to a nuclear fccility other than chin l?
proceeding?
20 n.
Det that I an cuarc of.
21 C.
You indiccLc6 that jou have cubt.ittcC urittcn
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connente on the Craft environnental caccnent to the 23 l'ucl ea r r.eg ul a t o r y Com.:i c c i on in thic rreccc6inc.
Uave
.94 you ever cubnitte/ ':ritten co:.cen t e to the "eclecr 25 Pcqulatory Conicircion on cny other eccccic.?
eD 1
7.
- l. 5 part o f r.rf j ob v o r !: i n g Ui t h i n the
?
P e s c r t r:e n t of '-'n c r c. y u e often c or.i. e n t e C o n varicco UnC 3
. rc cula t iour c.n6 POE rcculationc.
4 C.
Checc vot1C ze c o r. :c.c n t e c ubr i t t c t' on behalf 5
of th e E c r a r tr.:c n t of Encrcv?
6 71
'.? i t h i n the De r c r t r..e n t of 2 n e r c r the behalf a
7
.': a r t uculo hav. c c :.. a ruch later ': c:.e efficial O
repreccntative f r ora ;?achington.
O C.
2ccentially unc.t y o u..*e r c Coinc 'ec: c.oinc and m.
t,c proccca or-crciving rnoc0 10 provicing input in a
11 cor acntc ?
l?
2.
That'c corrcct.
13 0.
"c. v e you ever indiviCuc11' c u ir. i t t :.: C c c:'cie n t a i
l 14 to the E c.ra r t r.: c a t of Er. crc" cn an" facilitv?
a a
15
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'*c u raich t conctrec the c o:v.l a i n t e I 2iled in S-l O 1 C, u) a=
- .. b w,n em...i e n
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17 0
Other than thoce c ar';1a in t c ?
10
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Pone beforc there anc nothin: etha than what 10 ve've alreacy 6iccucced.
20 0
Ecvc you cver Erovidef e n i' c c c i s t a r.c e to cny
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t a r t u,
- t. c env L.c of
- r. r o c e t t' i n c.*
involvinc. a nucl c.;r ac I
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f a c i l i t ', othcr than thic 'racectinc.?
23 FLI.C: :
'cc e nean other thcn to the
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w.
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7nf other thcr. an i
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yo u r j o'c dutiec with the dor.
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t,a.
9 o
3 C.
(Py Iir. Pa v e n;:o r t )
nrc you c
. urin r of any I
4 grofeccicncl organicationc?
n.
I, r, c profeccienc1 enginecr.
6 0
Ic that c professional crganication?
7 A.
"cll, I pay duce ccch jecr.
8 Q.
'?ho do you pay Cues to' 0
I;.
State of Louisiana.
10 C.
Ic that ducc or c licence fcc?
11 A.
I think it's probably both, but I'u not curc.
g 12 0
It'c not Louicicnc Acccciation of 13 Profeccional "nginecrc?
14
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I?o ; it'c cc a :.rofcccicnc1 e n g i r.a c r.
15 C.
Any other p r o f e c c ior.d organicationc?
16 A.
Dot that I reccll.
17 0.
Are you a men:ber of any nonprofcasional 10 organicationc?
1P I:P. FL AC1' :
I object on the grounc's of i
20' relevancy and I instruct the witncce not to encuer.
21 C.
(Py "r.
Dcv enpo r t)
Arc jou a neuber of any 22 nonprofeccional crecnicetionc that cre involvec in
<a e n v i r o n ruc n,u c or uti itico I r s u r. c _
1 C4 Jr. FLT.C":
I object en the c c::c becic 75 cnd the crac inctruction.
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C.
(ry Er. Dcvenport)
- \\re you involved in any 2
non profeccional crganicationc that arc in'; o lv e d in 3
activitica rclated to nuclcar 2acilitie.s?
i 4
A.
Can 700 repeat the quzction.
5 I:n. PLACE:
I object on the cauc bacic E
and the came inctruction.
7 C.
( I'y E r. Davenport) ir. Lauleuc, have you 0
receiv^d accictance f rorc any individuel; or crganicationc other than the Intervenor.c in thic 10 procceding?
11 I'E. FLACE:
i7ould you er;1ain uhat you 12 nean by accictance?
13 C.
(ry Jr. Davenport) 1:v a ;uu rectivec 14 infornation from any individual; or creenicationc other 15 than the Intervenorc that you used in thic :'roceeding?
16 A.
Fell, nothing that no other tcchnicel pcrcon 17 uould not be privy to.
I mean, I receive technical 10 reporta all the time.
I don't reccive -- I don't knou 10 hou cice to characterice that.
I'm in the hucincts of 20' purcuing uhatever technical inforantion I can gather to 21 underrtand uhat'c coinn on in the radicactivc cnd 22 hacardouc vecte environment.
23 C.
I*c v c you contacted anyere libc Union of 9 /-
Concerncd Scientirtc for infoructior?
h 25 n.
ro, I have rot.
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C.
I:dve you been paid by either of the 2
Intervenorc, Cc::pcign for c Procparort Gacrgia or 3
Georcienc ?.gainct ruclear P n c r c. ' r to partici.nate in the a
I 4
Flcnt Vectla licencing proccucingc?
5 P..
Ho, I have not.
6 0.
IIc,v e you previoucly cppec. roc as a uitnocs on 7
behalf of either of thosc organisationc in cny other 0
r r o cee r'in g ?
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"he hearing last cumcer; laat c tic.c.c r.
10 0.
That was the pretricl, pre-hearing conference 13 in thic.nrocecdinc?
s 12 A.
Fight.
13 P.
- 'o other prcce:Cirgs other thc:
the Plant 1/.
Vectle licensing procccding?
15 A.
Pot that I cc aucrc of.
16 G.
Did you help dre.ft anj oZ the contentions 17 cubmitted by the Intervenors in the :.r o c c c d in g ?
10 A.
Yes, on the greenC ucrh anc I ccciate6 on IP come of the airborne relecccc.
20 0
Did you provide eny in f err'a tica, any of the 21 i n f o r r..a t i o n uncC by the Intervenart in c u r c l' i nt,-
the 1
22 kecoc for any of the contentiont a dic i t t e d by the Atcaic 23 E'af ety and Lic:ncing "ca rd in thin crocceCing?
24
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o r r.y I r. o t l o r. t on that onc.
25 C.
Let ue repcct it.
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provided any'of the inforcation that the Intervenors 2
uced in proviCing a bacie for onc of the contentionc f
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thct har becn c6eittc0 b; the Licencinc
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e::pla in the difference?
I don't hnou if rill I
G underctanCr the Cifference betuccn contencion ano bacio.
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contentionc r r o r o c e d h.v.
the Intcrvencrc, cc:1 of which c
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ucs c.cceptc0 by the Licensing "ocrc.
hon I refer to 4
i 10 the bacia for the contention, I'n talking about the 11 information provided by the Intervenore to the Licencing g
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DocrC to cupport the contention.
13 L.
I'n not reclly conc.rnec -- I rean, if
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14 coucone eshed a technical crection, I gave the bect 15 recronce I could to i t.
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15 C.
Have you provided cny in f o r r..a t i on to the i
17 Intervenors for their uce in rcobonCing to any 1
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18 interrogatoricc from the Applicantc?
19 I:3.
PC'. 'L E n :
Let ne crrlain to you, I'm 20' not cure he alco undcrctanCc, the camc thing with 4
1 21 i'o u a r C, the difference betucen cverything that'c filed i
22 and the contcntionc, the baci. anC the intcrrogatcrics.
23 n.
(ry "r.
ravenport) ro you enceratand the 1
1 N
Cif f c r e n c:.
b r. L ' ? <: e n c. n i n t c r r c e. r t u r.'. cnc the contentionc
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f3 54 (v) 1 A.
I~ thought they were the cane thing.
Uhenever s
2 conebodv hac had a technical cuection, I hhee revicuad 2
it and recponded to the boct that I could.
4 0
Pave you cccn written questionc F. hat vere 5
roccived by the Intervenorc f r ota the Applicants in thic 6
.n r e cec t in g ?
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T 0
C.
rid you prcparc the recicacec to cny of thoce
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uritten cucctionc?
10 A.
I gave c o rcr a n t c cn -- I've coen the Vogtle 11 rccconces an( c o rr.e o f the Voctle gocctions and I gave s
Pi 12 recronste to thocc.
V 13 0
Uhet cubject :. a t t e r e u c r c c aco;;.7c u te C v i th in 14 the c;ucc tionc that you either cor.nented on or caw?
15 A.
Ground uatcr, airborne rclcaacc, cooling 15 tover relecccc, that I recall.
cu' ject natterc do you 17 O.
I:r. Laulccc, uhat c
10 conciGer yourcelf to be an c;:rcrt cbout baceC upon your 19 backgrcund and training?
20t l'n. FLT.Cr :
Pccideu chat he'c talked 21 about th i c r.:o r n in g ?
2?
!.n.
DT.V:::'r0PT :
I'n an!:ir.g in general.
23 TE C UITTL'OP :
Grounduatcr contanination, 2 /:
l t,u level rufiocchive..nd harcr:'auc uccte, tre.ncuranic 25 ucnte, high level 'cctcr in tone a r c c. a, in rone creac r I
s 3
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D, decontadination and deconuissioning, in cone areas 2 -
auditt and appraicals of lou level raciocctive wacte s.
3 i hurial ground operationc and hic h level vaate tank 4
operatienc, in some c r ea c env i r onnen t.n l concicerationc 5
as they're impacted by relcacec into the cnvironcentc.
6 0.
"ut, egain --
7 A.
Pretty uuch the c.rcac ec have talhef about 8
today.
9 C.
You'rc not a health phycicist?
10 A.
I am not a health phycicist, but I work with 11 the technical rroblems that arc -- that nay Ec encoverad
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by health rhvoicistc or naybe even h c l'r a c c i:t c r,. e i n t u
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13 problers to he.:lth rhycicintc.
14 0.
i'ith recrect to grounductcr co n t e :ain a tion,
15 uhat ic your cducational bachgrounC on that cubject?
16 A.
At an engineer, I have hef come training, and 17 as a nuclear wacte management engineer, I've bad 10 e::te ns iv e training.
1S 0
- 2v e you over nitdieC hyfregoology or 20' geology?
21 A.
1:yd r ology in etucicf,
- c. o o l o g y, no.
2' O.
'nen did you ctrO" by6rology?
23 A.
Ac an *ngineer.
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1 C.
U6w many courcoc Cid you take in hydrology?
2 T..
I don't recall.
3 0.
- ~o r e than one?
4 l.
It ura part of anothrr cource.
5 O.
- 20 it was lecc than c fell.courca?
6
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'le c ; not a crecific courne on it.
7 P.
' bat npocific training have you bc0 thct in 0
your opinion qualificc you to be en e.: pert on D
grounduatcr contanination?
k 10 Is.
I have studied nunercuc r c i.o r t s
- v. n G I 11 interactc0 with recearch scientictc vithin the O
12 Depcrtuent of Encrc" cnf the c on...e r c i a l e nv i r o nic.c n t for
,g 13 c nu:2er of yccrc cnd have traveleC cnd caer :.'ic ny 14 different 01'e r a t io n c and facilitier an6 co forth as part 15 of ay job uith che Dercrtncnt of rnercy.
1C C.
Itave you yourcelf ever (one cny recearch on 17 groundvater movenent, for c::anple ?
10 7,.
Could you e:: plain uha t you necn by.have yc'u 10 cver c'o n e any roccarch?
h a t to "oe nean?
20 C.
It'c fairly aprt.rtnt.
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- T. PL I.CI' :
You rean cenirical reccarch?
2.'
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PTN P PDl'T :
b a t. o th c r t; i e r of 23 rccccrch art tere?
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THE UITNESS:
Yes, they are.
2 O.
(Iy !!r. Davenport)
Have you ever done any 3
empicical tercarch?
4 7.
I have donc no laboratory work.
5 Q.
Have you ever donc any research of different 6
treatises or things like that on groundwater movement?
7 A.
It was part of the reports that I've uritten.
8 It's a pa r t o; every report I believe that I've written.
9 I have looked at grounduater travel times, I did, and 10 tried to make the various pieces fit together.
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11 0
Uhtn you say you looked at groundwater travel
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12 tiacs, have you ever done any more than simply look at
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13 reported findings of grounduator travel time?
14 A.
No; I have done more than that.
I put forth 15 the questions, I challenged the experts and brought
,?
16 evidence to bear and made changes.
17 Q.
Do you know hou to calculate a groundwater 18 travel time?
19 A.
Groundwater travel time is computed to be 200 20' years between f:heentryofanuclideandthe e::it at an 21 cutcrop, and it's already occurred within 25 years, it
- 22 rometimes take]; very little computation.
23 0
Again, all you're doing is making statements 24
- t. bout informat.{.on that's reported.
Have you ever (3_)
25 calculated it?'
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1 A.
Mating statementc, challenging the c::perts,
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2 redirecting roccarch, telling them what to look for.
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3 It's rather difficult sometimec dealing with come U"$
4 contractors and because of their own bureaucratic I
5 problems, so you try to direct the research.
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6 0
Have you ever donc any --
VM' 7
CR. FLACK:
Could we have juct one
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8 noment?
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(Whereupon,.a discussion was held
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10 off the record.)
NS 11 Q.
(By Mr. Davenport)
Cr. Lawless, have you
-12 actually done any direct field work in groundwater l
13 hydrology or have you simply been involved --
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14 A.
I have done field work in the conse I've 15 gotten and made appraisals to check what is going on, to l'
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_.sco what data is being generated and to observe how 3l$ #'
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18 0
-You, f or e:: ample, reviewed well reports, that
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I have done that, i do
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What other sort of data review did you do?
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22 A.
UcIl in line with that, I have just gone in.
23 and looked at the research that was bcing donc, made 24 cuggestions on changes that should be effected and
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25 questioned why things were done the way they were, that l (s
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I O.
If you ucrc retainef to nahe an cctiaate of i
3 grounCuatcr travel tina, couli you fa it?
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I Con't 1:nou that I uoulf vant tc fo it.
5 0
I'm a !:ing if you have the capability to do 6
it?
7 P.
Lat te ancuer t h i :-
.ay.
"' h c. t'a v a n n a h River i
U Plant :aC rrcficcco that :li c gecuncuatcr travel tinc 9
uould bc 200 years.
LO 0
I' r. Laulecc, tl.at vac not ny cuention.
ry 11 question can be ancucred yet cr no.
if you cant, you 12 can c::rlain your self.
C z. n you yourcelf calculatr a J
J. 3 groundunter travel tine?
I ' 1: achinc if you ucro iust 1
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'4 given a crecific regulatich and a c!:e6 to ecleulate a l
15 grounducter travel time for a c::c ci f ic (intance, could JS you do it?
- 7 T..
If it involved u'.ia t ?
I 10 O.
Just a c l: i n g, for c ::a r p l r, coulC you calculate 39 a groundwater travel tinc frca the rouer bloc!: at Plant 20 Vogtle to IIe ther rond?
21 A.
Yec, I could.
22 0
Fon vou'.0 you do i t?
23 A.
I could do it uit!. courarative calculationc.
2:
I uculd leol; at the eclculctienc that were nace.
2 ji O.
I'n ac!:ing you if 'hcre c r c-no celetlationc I
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1 that were p r c'v io u s ly rca d e, coulcl ycu calculate a 2
croundwater travel tinc?
3
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That precuppocen that there in no r.cience i
4 that'c gone on before and that, of cource, C e c i.. c to make 5
no cence at all.
Each ccientist or engineer known what 6
han been done bcfore and takaa that into conciceration.
7 You muct, for inctance, knou uhere tua grounivator O
direction it traveling.
Anc if that part of thc 0
reccarch hac circady been done, you don't need to clo it.
10 0
He'll accu;ac you knou the Cirection.
11 A.
You night knou the cveracc creed, if you know pi 12 the averac.e c.roundwater O.t x e d, then you c i:: :lv take tl.o e
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14 O.
Iiou voule you --
k 15 A.
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cc1culation.
16 0
1:ou would you cclculatc the grounGucccr 17 specd?
18 A.
There'c variouc vayc to calculate it.
You 19 ccn cciculctc it ac a ctraight line Eunctien.
You can P
20 '
loch at it cc e nonlinear function.
I~ you got the 21 cc uctions, all rou to To ir gunerctc the da t:.
There's 22 nothing to calculating.
Anyene can calculatt.
In fact, 23 it coca not tchc cn c:. pert to c.d ec?.culationc; it I/
tches an e::p e r t to rcake c j ui e:c e n t en whether the n
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25 calculctionc are ccod or not.
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D6 you knou uhr.t formula is uced generally to 2
calculate g r o un chza t e r travel tir.;c?
3 A.
I ' r: familiar uith conc of the ?crn.elac.
I Co
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not recall t h e r.,
o f f h c n d.
5 C.
Do you recc11 the narae of cny forcela?
C I..
If I recall the n e r.. e of any forr.;ula, vould
.7 that r.;a h c a difference 'if I G i c' or 'idn't?
P C.
Yec, it uould.
I'.
aching you whether you do D
or don't.
10 T,.
I 6cn't think recalling a fornulc r.;c a n c that 11 you' re a groun6ue ter c::pc r t or not.
I recall various
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12 tartt.
o u
,v 13 0
I' r. Lculecc, I ' r..
e n t i t l e C to cch you the 14 cuectionc.
15 I:n. F L h C E :
Let n.c cenf er uit h hi:n, naybe 16 we can cyced it up a bit.
17 0.
Mr. Envenport)
Ecu that you have conferre6 10 vith your cttorney, can you :ncuer :.y c;ucction uhether IP ycu can rcccll the na rae o f a ny f o r r.:ula used to calculate l
20' grounCucter travel t ii.ic ?
21 7.
Fo, I 60 not recall to tue bect of my
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chility, but I (o not t h i" '- thct that ia i rc.r o c t a n t.
h 23 C.
rine.
Do you concider ytercelf an oponent r
i I
- 0. 4 of nuclear cuer, :'r. Lculecc?
,b 25 I T.. F L.' C r :
You mean ;;a f c nuclear p o '..' e r ?
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l'u cl e a r po','er.
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that uay, no.
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A.
(Py.:r. P av e r.p o r t )
i~ou yourself :rc not E
opposed to the ucc of nuclear generating plantc?
6 A.
I do s. ' t -- 'tha t I ' r. o r r o c e ri to are i aprope r 7
operational r..rocedurec engineering chortcutc
.'c o r r
r 8
methodology in the field, poor conclecienc cnd lack of 9
techniccl inc igh t.
10 0.
I don't think anyone vou1C argue with you on 11 that.
Do you oppose nuclear plantc as such?
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I bcvc not r.a f e 'n; t.tc.tn ant to that _ffect.
'ould not been 13 C.
Do you feel thtt Plant "ogtle :
i granted an operating licer.cc by the Itu el c a r Eccult. ting la 15 Co rarai cc io n ?
15 A.
I've not rc.a d e 0; conclusion on that.
17 G.
I' r. Laulecc, you have been identified by the 10 joint Intervenorc in the proceeding as coceone uho raay 19 tectify ac a uitnecc on th e i r :_ cimit in hearings '. of orc 20' the Atorcic Safety anC Licencing Zoa rd.
!! ave fou been 21 ached to appear cc c vitnecc :: e f e r a ' hot hocrf on behalf 22 of the Intervenorr?
22 7.
I t h i n!: co.
24 0
Have
'ou agroc6 to errc :t :. c a uitnccc?
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1 C.
Tic you familiar tith thc contentionc 2
cenitted by the I. toric Onfet. nn6 Licencin: rcerf in 3
this p r o c c a di:, c ?
t a
- T. PL?.C;: :
Let nc ctat for the rccord I 5
thin!: he'c faniliar trith cverything.
I thinh that he"c 6
familiar tiith thc contentionc that tic r c ct nittc6.
I'n
'rith 7
not :;u r e that he's able to -- he acc the f c.:: il a r i t';
8 ilh c t yr;u hu/c.
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( I? y :' r. Davenport)
- ~ r. L a tt l e c c, fo you i
1 10 intend to tactify about any i ccccc r c i s e c: by Contention 11 7 coaccrninc g roundita t c r contaninction?
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I c ::E c c t to, yec.
13 0
Po you intend te ':cctify about e n-iccuec 14 rc ir c 6 irl Co.it ention 10.1, concerning the Coce rate 15 effect?
I 16 A.
I don't think co.
17 C.
Ccncerning Contention 10.3, t l. _
10 nelticon6uctor effect?
1P
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I 3on't thinh co.
I hcve never heard of it.
20' O.
10,5, TSCO colencid valvec?
21 T.
I'o,
22 O.
Corecrning Content. ion 10.7, i:yCregon 23 reccabiners?
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?5 O.
Con..ention 11, ':cen generetor tubr fcilurec?
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2 7
Cancerniac dontention 12, calt eni chlorine t
3 en i ti t : 0, at vart of :he cooling tou:r c' r i f t ?
4
o c c ibly 5
n.
lontentic n 14, the TDI energency Cicsel 6
gencim tor: ?
7 i;.
I'o.
O
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I.'h a t a t;;c c t of your edu ca t ion ba c!:g r oun d,
9 train,ng 3.
c::perien :c cualifica you to te ct if y a'cout 10 issue: raiced 2:y Coni:ention I? concerning salt chlorine 11 enittcd ac rart of t1 e coolir.c teue r Crift?
12 7.
I have an c::pe r t i ce in the cirborne relecces 1
anc cc n c c r.ue n t
- c. r o u n c.. a t e r c o n t a n a. r. :. t i o n s.
14 C.
Do vou hav2 an" c::rertine with r c c r-c c t to 15 cooling tover Crift c..
cuch?
15
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I'o nc.
c::' c r t i sc with rcnrect to the 17 C.
Do you have any 13 naheu;: of cooling tover drift ' hen Ciccolved solidc 10 night bc in a cooling :ocer Crift?
20
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None.
r 21 C.
I' r. L c.71 c a s, 00 you cunuider yourcelf an 2?
c ::pe r t in the arca of ecoloc.r or h" d r c c. c ol o r.v ?
23 n.
That it hard to ccy.
p.'
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I'h y in it lia"e to.: a y ?
h trcined ceclogict act :.y r?. r c 2.o g i c t,
2E T..
I'm not r
en 6
v-1 but I've a fair amount of cngcrience uith both.
2 C.
Co you consi6er fournclf knot.71cCecable about 3
geology anC hyCrology or hydreccology?
4 A.
In certain c.rcac c r.
it reletc; to radioactive 5
and hacarCouc ucctcc.
6 O.
- 'r. Lculecc, Co you atrcc with the 7
Intervencrc' c o r.t e n t i o n in thir ;.r occ e6ir g that the 0
Applicencs have not cdecuately adCrecceC the velve of 9
grounductor Lelou the Plant "cgtle citc?
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t 11 C.
Ubat in the banic for that oi, inion?
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A.
I'cading the in f o r::.a tio n thct I have haC 13 prccentcd to na, the I'c An e n c ?:c aC the rccLonncc tc 1
come of the quectienc that have 1;cen raicec.
lE O.
I:cu have the Appliccnte failcC to acettetely 16 adt. ccc the value of grounCuater belou the Plcnt 'Jo g t l e 17 citc?
'.?h a t ' s a v e r y ' r o a d c u c c t i o n.
It cecac that 13 A.
c 19 there'u a lot cf holec in their rrccentation.
It cecan 20' that come of their recroncco have I:cen inadequate and
?1 unenlightened.
2?
O.
- ht t holec are you rcfctring to?
23 A.
Again, it'a very brcc0.
You arket..- breaC
.N quection, I trief to give ac gooC on encuar ac I cou1C.
. core c:'c c i f i c,
car]c he rcrc cracific 25 If you coule 1:
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in turn.
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I'm acking you Ir. Laulecc, to give me come r
3 ci:c c i fico to cryport your contention that the 71rplicants 4
have failed to adecuc tely cc'drecc the value of 5
grounCuctor beneath the Plant Vogtle nite?
6 E P.. PL T.CP :
Let ic e cuggect it might be 7
cccier cnd cri.e6 up the preceuc if you could chou hin 0
the cr.cific thinen that includcC thet he rdercnced.
9 Un. DIXEi?ronT:
- r. Plach, I'm aching hin 10 nou for the bacin of hic tentimony toCay.
11 I'D. PLl1CF :
I th in!! he'c cncuerod your
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c o u.t c give you a c tsc c 1 r i c, t or inctance.
l 17 0
(Oy I:r. Davenport)
Di6 you cay you could?
18 T..
I coul6.
19 O.
Ploccc do.
20-I..
Por inctance, the Plant 7ectle or Gearcia 21 Pcuer or whatever, I uill Jcccri'c the r, cc juct Plant U
i 22 7ectic, hac Otctcd thct cert <.in vell: ncyc been 23 acrtroyof or covercC up thrcuch the construction I
24 procccc.
T.n d I think that is a concern i t ' :; a ;occible l]
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1 could enter into the grornCratcr or into the aquifer.
?
0.
Pc you have cry knovicfgc concerning the 3
nannct in.thich thoce unlle vcre cenle6 or abandoneC?
i 4
?.
ro, I do not.
5 O.
Oc you knou that they vere not realed?
6 T,.
I tche that bach.
I Oc have c oiae inforcation 7
bacef. on the rccronecc that I havc just rcad thic 4
3 uorning, and I've not.3tvCicC t h c :3, cc I cnly have an 9
idea.
I I
l 10 0
Are you nunre of cny ecll on the _lant Vogtle j
i 11 cite that ic no loncer in uce that bac not been ccaled?
I?
n.
- ' c, nor an I arare of car ucll that'c becn 13 ccaleC pregerly or ire r r o b e r l y.
I 1
l 14 C.
'/o u basically have no hr.c :1c Cc e chout that 15 cubject?
16 A.
At this point.
17 C.
Can you give :c.o cny other crecifica ac to hou la the I.pplicante failef. te afdrccc -- Let oc er'; jet 10 firct.
that Co< you nean by the velr< of g r o c u Q:a t e r ?
l 20 A.
I don't really hacu.
"act (o yet a c r. n by l
21 that?
l
.brece that q ecrr in the 22 0.
I't. ucine. t h c:
73 I n t e r v er.o r c ' n-a t e r i a l c ; not ry ratericle.
It a:pearc in l
?/
Co n t o r. t i o n 7, "he s t a t e ;:.e n t of Cont ntion 7.
[
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Con't you let hi:
cce :
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+
4 4
f en to 1
d
~
1 copy of it.
2 IT. D T.V"P rO P T :
T can read i; to him.
l 3
Contention 7 ctatec ti:c t the J.pplicent hrc nou t
i t.
c c c c.* u c t c l.v. cccrccucc the vcite oc-ti e g r o r n Cita tc r l'elou 5
tl.c plant cite and faile to provide ceequc tc accurance I
6 t h c. t thc grounC.ictcr vill not be conten.incted cc 1
i t
i 7
rtguirce by 10 C. P. P., (a ) (b) nn( IC C. F. P.. ; 2 0.3 d (c ) (1)
C cnd C.P.".c I C O. '. 0 ( c ) ( 3 ).
The languccc that I'u ucing 9
.: bout the value of the crouncuctor c o:a c c f r o;.
the s
I 10 langucce of the contentionc cubnittee by Intcrvenorc.
Che"a I geccc I'c. not that l?
Em.iliar with that prticular c u e t. t i o n.
V:.lte can near i
13 ncny diffcrcnt thingc.
Ic it cccc.:c'?lc for. racecc i
14 vater, ic it acccptchle fcr c'rinhinq
.ccer, ic it 15 cceeptabic fer irrigotion, no the en.
ucc cill dctcraine 1G the value of the watcr but ecybe not c ::ci c c iv e ly.
I 17 0
(ry Pr. Davenport)
Uhen you recronded la earlier co re-y q u e c t i o n chcet hou the Jm0..l i c c n t c have 1C failc6 to edecfuctcly a f.c: r c c.c the
..10 nf cccunCucter, 20 hca cerc you ecinc the t e r r. ?
21 T.
I jig not crite the cf u c c t i c ' r> ; I caly 2?
cepplic( c orune n t e to t h e g u c :. t i o r. c.
23 C.
I'r iching you rcu carlitr in t h i t.
6 rocition T/
uhen you r c c 'J o ni c t'. tocitively to -/
caction c50ut
. E uhather you cgrecc that
'c h r 74 ; 1i c <.. c ; buve nat 1
l
+,,. -....... - -. ~,.,
i 4
l a
1
+
e s.
a I
adequately acidrecsed the value of grounducter, what ucre 2
you thinking of in the torno of the card value?
i 1
4 3
A.
There'c aany Cidfercnt thing. that I must 4
loch at and study, but frca ; hat I have ccen to Cate I 5
do not fcel that they have adequctcly addrcuccd the 6
grounductor contamination I.occibilitiec, anC that I've i
7 civen vcu enc cnecific,- there cre.:.any otherc that arc t
3
- occibl
- to c. ivc.
I Con't kncu that I c:
creci2" then i
f all here.
I t
10 0
- Taich onec can you crecify tc6ay?
j 11 A.
2bandonec ucllc, uhich can aloc encompass i
12 borinc_'c inte the carth for other.rurrocec.
I ti. ink the 3
l 13 carl ha l'cen incroperly er I n c.dc c r.. t t ly o r teth 14 charactericef.
15 C.
Tny other cpccifict that you can r c c :. ll at 16 this time?
t 17 71 Ctcenduatcr nigration tine, thc character and
{
10 the relationchir of concultants, grounCuctcr concultants la to Plant VogtIn.
20'
('.
7.n" thing elec?
21 T>.
There are a lot of cther thingc, but thin ic
??
the bcat caerle that I coulC cerc ri zith.
?3
('.
" lou can't think cf any other creci2ic: at 9.*
thic t irr e ?
25 T..
"ot at thic t i:x.
I2 roc ;ch a "uection, r
+,,wnwme---*--re,
_e.ww-,.
_,,i.---
-.--=my----,-ve-w--- - - = ' = = - - - - -
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1 I'll try to respond to it.
l 2
0.
Sure.
It it clco yuer contenticn that the 4
1 i
2 7.pplicantc have rallet to rrcvice ac cc;uatt cacurence 4
i 4
that the croendratcr beneath the Flant Vogtl< cite vill 5
not be co n t a min a t e c'?
E A.
Ycc.
i 7
C.
i~a c t in the bacic for that opinion?
8 L.
cirilar reasonc.
If you cot c ciccific i
i 9
cJuestion, that's juct t o o b r o a c' ac it is.
I': not 4
i 10 prernref. to lict it out.
Can you bc a little bit more I
11 crocifi~c?
l I?
D.
I' n c.tkinc you h o.- the I..plicantc failed to 13 accure that the crouncuatcr u:11 not be coa t c::ina t e e ?
14 T..
T.y not cor.r.letcl" rotecting the public to s
t 15 ce.
1 l
16 0
Tre you referring to n o r ral or acciCent l
17 conditionc?
l l
10 T..
Cither, both.
19 0
Uhat more chou 1C the TcJrlicanto Jo that they 20 have not alrcc6y Conc?
21 T..
" hey choul:' rccrond to cll of ti' c 22 intcrrecctoricc that have been ccha' of t h c ::. o n i
23 crounfuatcr contamination and rcicatec frer the cooling 2 /.
t ou c r.c cc bcct that I con cccartain.
25 O.
Tnythinc other then : n c,:c t ycer
[
.,m__
f
+
1,
.1 O
i 1
i nterroca;ories?
2 A.
Fot at thi; tite, I can't statc.
i 3
C.
2:re yo.i faciliar rith th_ crevicienc of 1C 8
8 91 o
C. r.1 r i. 8.
3.
.C" _l,
u.. u r.3..c. a m 7
c 5
T..
ro.
1 e
G C.
So I a.:cuco you cennot t e l l rc.c har the 1
7 Applicant: havc 1 ailed to comply with 10 C.r.P.
ccction i
I 9
"_I.900 s
1 t
n 4..
& u.
l 10 0
Are yra familier uith the provicior.c of 10 SC? j i
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11 C. F. . [.a r t l
g 12 ro.
1 *)
A T
l '.3 c u,1 _1 e.,s a,..... e.
b e-
'm, 6.
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4n.
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, r e, v
- c. n
- 1. c. -
i m.
o i
I 14 T.pplicanL: have failcC to c u r.w l3
.-ri t h.9tetion 5C.54?
l 15 A.
~'h a t ' c correct.
1 I
16 O.
Arc goa familict with the L.r ev ic i o n c of 10 17 C. F.r. pc r t 100?
f 10 A.
I C. c n '
think ca.
la 0
So, acain,
.v, o u cannot tuli L.c hcu the I
20 7.p pl i c a n t. ; hav" fy.ile6 to c a r..p li 'li t li 30 C.P.P.
Ocction I
21 300.10; i. that correct?
f I
22 T.
S h e t ' ~. correct.
+
23' r.
I'a v.
.:e revic.7;c thc T.m.. l i c e n t r ' acccccnent a
14 of roccible c c ci6 r,tal rel ccet in . c t i o n 35.7 of the 1
i
.S fincl :cafcty *nal'Li; r ci'o r t in 2 c t i s:. 7.1 c a t'. 7A of l
72 9
1 the operatiod licensing and environacntal report?
2 A.
I 6cn't rcrenber.
I Con't recall 3
cpecifically.
I rec 0 - lot of catcric1.
I':. not cure
/.
uherc it co::cc f ron.
5 O.
,: it jour contention that any inadequacies 6
c::i ct i., the Iqplicantc' accescment of cc.:cible 7
accident 21 releacen cince they heve not charactericed 0
the e n"i r c :n..c u t a6ccuatcly?
9 n.
rec.
10 0
Pou have the Applicantc failed to 11 charccterice the environnent cfeguetuly?
- g l?
7.
Ac.;c bave r.anticacf, I fon't think they have 13 tchen care of the concerne thc
'..
- t b r:c n reicci on abandoneC ucllc, for inttcnce, Coctroyed wclic, 14 v
3.g ODandonC'.. o r i n r,' c ano to Lortga cut On.
16 C.
T.nything other than cbrnconc0 welle and 17 abandoned boringc?
13 l'..
Yec, but I can't r :. :' i f -f at thin t ilar.
19 0
So ycu Con't h c v c c-lict
'rtparcC?
20 n.
I don't havc.
21 0.
3t thic t i:.m you ccn't tcli. e anything 22 trecificall" other then cN nGonei ** ells enf cSandence b
d 23 borinco and the in t e r r o gc t o r i c.: that nave bcon cche0?
2 i
'O. /.
- /.,s c.
ei.
I as e
b
9
/4 t
i 1
intcrrogatories?
2 A.
Eight, that'c correct.
3 0.
I:r. Lewiccs, unve fou revicued the i
l.i:Elicentc' caccccuent of Ciffcrent acci6catcl.;1:illages 5
in the orerating stage envir o n:acn tal report at Section G
7.'.'.??
I ' r, n ot certain.
7 L.
It Cocen't 0
I'o you contend thct any in a de cJ u a cie r c::i c t in 9
the I,pplicantc' acceccment of Ciffercut acci6antcl 10 cpillages?
t
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11 A.
Only f r ora uhat I've read to Cate.
Since I 12 fcel that the environrent bac bcen i n a Cc c;U r t c ly 13 characterice6 for norral relecccc th< t it :c ti c' ic e 14 Ocfinitcly inc6cc;uctely cha racteri ced fcc Cifferent i-l 15 cccidentcl relacsec.
15 O.
And you deceribec 1.rcviovaly juct a chort i
17 while r.go how it'c been inaccure.tcly charactericed?
l l '3 I've not Cone a very gooC job of Ceccribin'g 1"
that, but I have ettcarted to.
I 20 C.
Licf uid vaste canaccrent ecction,Section I
21 11.2?
l
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2.
I ' ic. not certain.
I'a nel certain.
I don't 23 roc 011 the titlec.
I reaC c lot of I.atcric1.
I juct l
N ctn't in it to e 1crticulcr chartcr er
5 I T.. PLI.C":
P u.; h, thic cuection, cc. with i
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1 1
1 J
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1 4
1 1
others, if ydu can chotz hi:0 the document, I think he j
2 right be able to tell you if he has seen it, i
l 3
C.
(Py
.r.
Pavenport)
Do you co n L t. n f that any i
\\
1 l
4 inc cicq ue cie c c::i c t in the Ls.t licantc' liceif uncte i
5 mancgenent cyctcm?
1 l
6 7.
Ecll, I ccn reccll the DPC co twhat, como of i
t 7
the concerns I had cbout the FPC, for inctance, vore l
1 0
that the nuaWerc, the cuployce retcc in one gnrt of the
,l
?
- .y e t e t di ci not cdd up and balance uith ecployee rater in i
10 enether rart of the sycten and thcy should heve.
i 11 G.
Other than the co r:rae n t c that you cubmitted on e
i g
l?
the fraft environ..catel "; t e :.c ra c n t e cnd any incCececcics 13 you nicht hcVe rointed out in these co:,*c.ca t;, cre you 4
l l
14 cuare of any other ina c cc u c. c i e s in the Ar.plicantc liquid j
15 vat >to unnagenent c"c t e ra ?
a 16 A.
Other than the in a 6ec u z.ci c e t h c. t I rointed 17 out and reiced through the interrogatoricc end uritten 10 in the draft report th a t I'v' tritten, no, I am not.
IP C.
Unat inac?cquaciec cre you refcrring to nou?
20 I.
Uell, I ar -- I havr r /. i c e c' all of the iccecc 21 that I c o u 1 C. that I't avart of.
I' I anz
- c.. w r c of
??
o t h e r t:, I woulC have raiced ther.
i 23 0.
I ' t.
coking you cr:cci fically uhc t inadequaciec l
\\
P. 4 ycu co n t c ni. c::i c t in the lirjei6 uccte ranctcrcent cyctea?
i 25 T.
I've not ;rc,, rcC - l i n t.
of thea but I thin ww w
w-
,pm wm ~ ~"
es 75 V) t 1
therc'c a fair number of them anC they arc cubstantial 2
and they have been rciced thrcugh the intcrrogatories 3
a n c' the commento that I've acCe on the P"O enc the i
/.
concent: that c. r c in thic Craft docunent.
5 O.
Can you identify for ce cone of thcce 6
cubstantial inadequaciec that you referrec' to?
7 A.
Thc roccibility of contcuincting the ac;uif e r,
O the confinc6 aquifer enCernocth Plant Voctie.
The 9
poccibility of contaminating the groundwater itcelf 10 directly underneath Vogtle.
11 C.
Uhen you refer to grounn cter,
.-ih a t Co you O) 12 rean?
s%r 12 I..
The confined grcendictcr acove the rcrl and 1 ?.
bcncath the curface.
The porcibility of con.c un i ca tion f-i 15 through the tarl, the roccibility ci curfacial 15 contamination fror cooling totter relearcs and conocquent 17 contamination of the ground./ater.
T:ic L c arc the things le that have been reiced.
This is jtat a nnrgle of the 19 thingc that beve been raincC.
20 C.
7.nything elco thr.t you ccn rtccll at thic 21 tice?
22 T.
Yec, het tha: I cannot rcccll a: thic tine.
1 93 C.
- ething that you can recall at thin time?
P /.
- 7..
There arc other: thct I c c.. rccall, but I m
25 cennot recc11 ct thic tinc.
1
,v 1-, - - -,
t 1
I 76 l
1 0
'idu mentioned the roccibilic' of the 2
contacinction confinec aquifer cn0 the roccibilit-1 of 3
contacination cf the coolint toucrc.
rc cny of thoce thinrc reint out inadequaciec i r. the liquid uactc 5
management cyctcm?
6 T..
Liquid uncte nanagement cyct c:: ?
I'm corry, I l
7 uicunCorctand the gucction.
I thought you ::ere 4
r.
P cC6cecaint ina0cgveciec ac thrceghoet the Ucgtle cyctcn.
2 l.
0 I did not knou you ucrc rcferring c;;e cif ically to liquid 1
10 vaste nanaccuent.
[
11 C.
'*o u r rccponce vac directed tc the entire
! g 12 Vcgtle cycten?
13
- f..
rec.
14 C.
7:n d no t opccifically to the liqui 6 uaate 15 raana genon t cycten?
1G
- t..
Opccific to the liquid vante menace.xnt 4
17 cyctem, I can't recall the ircucc that I have rciced.
I 10 just have not refrechef rycal2.
Dnf they arc c o n c e r ric,
10 but I fon't reaccber uhether it in even defined by the 20 cyctcm uherc the boundaries, uhat coparctcc one part of 21 tbc cycteu fron the
- r..: t.
I ' r; carry.
I juct ron't have 22 that clect in ry mind.
23
('.
Do at thic tiue you to not recall any of the N
concern: that y e v c i c,'in t hevc rc. iced cbout the liquif
?. 5 nancycuent cyutem?
l l
l 77 1
A.
'.'li c t ' c correct.
2 O'.
S 'L:0cificalle?
4 3
is.
Tila c ' c COrrCct.
?
0
- ~ a v - yce revic.'?d the Cactrirtice of the 5
Ig E licentc' ra0 wacte t.r o g r a r, in thc operating etage 6
e n v i r o n::.c n t c.1 rcr. ort?
7 1
.o.
O r.
It it your cont;ntion t l'. t the Ti;1iccntc r a c' 9
nactc nrogrc:
in in a C.ec; e c t ; ?
L 10 7.
I h c.v c r a i n t C.
core iucuct there, '.; c c.
11 I r. Ubat r e c.::
,w ctc C.c
'cu contenC that the l?
7.?nlicante rac. uacte.. r c g r c ;
in i n v E c g r e. t c ?
& s c l e.' r l i c.t, het I can 13
- l..
T.g c i n, I cor't havn lA g iv c
- c. n crc:..;.lc.
If I rccccaer, therc vac c concern 15 about our rcl:arec into thn river caC ther:
'c r :
i 16 concerns icout z-ho1Cu". tanh c u o r c c. e of licuic can't r e r.c nt e r.
I 17 r a C ic a c t iv e ucctoc, but 'J a c t th:-t '-
IP r.
Ic it ycer contantion tb.t the rcc vac.tc i
l
.ill recult in r c l ac. c u r into the T',' v a n.: h "iver?
1r progrcn 20 I Con't rec 11.
I,.' c c c e n t. e r n e d. bout l-21 releacet into the rivet anC I r c r.. c r.,
r Ecing concerncd
??
al out : enc be-rCouc
,aclifec.
I 'o not rcacca r the I
23 level: of rc 'ior.ctive..~ u t _ accli;cc coinc icto che
"?
T'avannch
."iv r.
2r r.
'e r you ccncctnec.'oct
'cciccn;;l r c '. c a c c o J
l
- '""'F' W
.w-vee-
.,,y-, _ _,. _. _ _,
$>O 7?
3 i t
t 4
I 1
or no r rt.a l releacec?
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A.
If you arc concerned about normal releacca I
i 3
and the concerne have to do uith relencec into the s
i i
l
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environntnt then you uoulc he alco be concerned about 5
accidental releaces and pact that cc, yes; but past that l
G there arc opportuniticc for accidental rclence that i
7 uhen there arc no nornal relcacer in thic rarticular l
C arcc -- I have refercnce to the -- I am referring to the 1
l D
holdup tank, but I don't uent to tic it Coun just to I
l 10 norual releare.
For instance, at the Cavennch River l
11 Plant through normal crerations the : arca bocin has (O
l?
contcaincted the c r ounc'ua t : r end. alto the ?uccalooca
)
1
,v 13 aquifer, but the hichcot lev.11 of co n tatinc t i.on ic ii, 14 directly underneath a holdup tc.nh or a ctorcte tank that j
15 hac 'een in nor.ac1 orcration for 25 yearc.
c f,
16 O.
Goinc. back to riant Vertic, do.cu recall at I
i 17 thic t ir.c uhether your concern ras chout, with recrect in to the rad veste 1.r o c r a n, sac about accidental rcicac'c c
10 or no r n.a l releasec or both?
20
?..
I don't rcra mber dcocriuinating het.cen the 21 tuo of the then.
I only r c i:e r..' c r d i r. c r i n i r.c t ' n c o n o
22 a c c i d e n t :.1 relonce; o.1 the holdu; tanP.
23 C.
I.
it four contention, Fr. Laulocc, that any
??
Cecicn or covetrrction.<.Eiciencica c: int uith rceect n\\
/V 2r to tbc ricnt Voct10 t b. c t nicht rectlt in thc
79 1
contalainantc 'beinc released into the grounCzatcr?
2 A.
Yec.
3 C.
Can you Cefine that decign or conntrection?
/
L.
I cannot (c2inc :11 of it, I can rive you cn 5
c::c nrle.
The best c::ararle would be the conctruction G
atop t.bandonc( uclla.
7 C.
Again, you don't have any knouledgc 0
concerning the ci r curac ta n c e u of the.;ealing or 9
dicclocure of thecc utllo?
10 A.
Other than the information that uct provided 11 in the recronacc that I revicued thic raorning.
I have l?
l iraitc C infor::ation on hetz they ylan to cloce then or 13 have closed then.
In cone inacanccc it c c: c. :( lihc the 14 information in conflicting, 1; u t I have not t c. h c n it ract 15 that.
15 O.
Have you any decign or construction 17 deficiencies that you can 10cntify fcr ne at thic time?
10 A.
Pot at thic tine.
10 O.
Pow uculd you to about Ceteruining the 20 coquence of thc hydrolocic rait in ceclot ic ferectionc j
21 un6crlinin( a partictlar loc.' t ion ?
2.0 T.
I veuld not.
23 C.
You 'rould not Co thet?
P4
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Po.
25 P.
N v e:
' o u v"; r (cr. thc.t?
f 1
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pp I
t 1
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Id, I hCVO COh,
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D.
r<,'ot'Je loc':c 0 cc ro.7tcricl;- "cv ncycr l
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.'o. ;.. _r _ t, r >m.- *- ra <-__'.c_1..
r c. l r..t.1' c~
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unitc c r. C e r n c i' t !. E l.' :. c "orble" 5
7.
.~ c, I have
.ot.
I have cttficC. net Plant G
Vcctle h a r..ut oct in ti:c i r tcchnic?. r c "o r t :. a n ci clco 1
7 the Fav1 : r. 21 Tiver rlcnt in arr t c ci c. i c c l rcLarte.
P O.
"ut 'oe he te ra{r ao 2,;cicl inc:c c:C nt C
cffort to --
10
- 7..
I'o, I have not.
11 P.
-- to Ccterr.ine
.. h a t hfir:lecie e r, i t c e,: i c t c l?
enGernceth Plcnt V o 7 ': 1..
3,.;
c.
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C'...
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14
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I'r corry?
15 n,
rave you l o c'; c r!
0' the c:cd.icical well ler.
1 15 data grociCcC in the pr c li:iir.c.r; cc. t e; cr.clycio report 17 relating to Plant
'.'c c t l c ?
10 I recall hav inc-lechef
- c. r
- x. ;. cf Laat.
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T Cor't 10 Con't t e r.c.aL c r -- I belie. 1
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Plant.
Thcrd are other reporte in the technical i
2 literature, jtct thc tcchnical litcrcture.
3 r.
concerninc riant "ortic?
4 n.
Concerning the arca ac I re2crcnceC cften cnC 5
ucually by Plant Vogtle and or the Cavannah niver Plant.
6 r.
o u have looked at thocc rerorta?
7
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I have l o c h e c' at r.cr.e of the technical C
literature.
r 9
C.
U c.v e you looked at the rcrort preg. red by i
10 Gophil?
11
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Can yce identify that any 4
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I have loched 1
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I do not rcccli uht:hcr I l
l 17 lookcc at the actual rcrort itcelf er not.
I have i
10 loched at Cata that unc a scrt cf thct rcrort.
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0.
( ry I'r. :'c.v e n t o r t )
- c you Lcyc. n,- k n cul e t'g e 20' ccnccrning the La t t c r n of g r c unJ,ua t c r r.ov c:..c n t beneath 21
.the ?lant "cgtln citc?
2 T.
I havc c o r.c k no u l c c^ c e, ys 23 C.
h a t ir the rettern of ucccr nove:::.t in the 24 u:ter tcble ectifer henceth the rian 5.'octic c i t.: ?
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.t ton,t r e c c. n c:u. c, ly, cu, it :eu :
tu e.
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1 generalli. it'c directional.
I do not recall the e::a ct 2
direction.
I thinh it'n coueuhat to the northenct and 3
that is a crcunduater novenent.
4 C.
I'm talhing nou about :.ovement in the unter 5
table aquifer.
G I,.
'Z e c.
7 0.
Do yet hnou anything about the direction of 3
raov ec e n t of water. in the tertiary equifcr bcneath Plant 9
Vogtlo?
10 I..
Somcuhat, qualified in the came un".
11 O.
Mhat do you knor?
12 T..
Thc general ri ov eI.e n t accc to :v teuerd the uJ 13 Eavannah P.iver and parallel :o the Scvannah Civer north 14 of the Cavannah Eiver in bl.e Vogtle crcc and the 15 novement ceccc to be uncertain south of the Cavannch 16 Eiver in the Vogtle area.
Therc ceemed to bc 17 indicationc of both touard and'parallcl to the Cavannah lf Eiver.
Eut I have not refreched nycelf on the 19 particularc.
That'c juct c concral rccc11, 20 0
" hat if anything ic your hnoulcdge of 21 croundwater..ovenent tencath the Plant Vortic cite baced 22 upon?
23 A.
StuCring the literature.
2/
O.
Co it'u nore than the ratoriale provided by
!p lQ 25 the ?,pplicents?
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A.
It ir, yac, that ic correct.
2 n.
"::c t litercture crecifically are fou
-e 3
referring to?
4
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The technical litereture on groenC, cater 5
novencnt and geology and hydrology in the crea.
I've 6
not ctuGicc at all but I have lochcC at a fair amount of 7
it.
O r.
Can you identify an'c Jarticular rcLort?
ao 9
A.
l'o, I can't.
F.uch of the literaterc in 10 refercnced howevcr by both Vogtle and the Savannah nivor 11 Plant.
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12 n.
-De you have cny bacia on -hich te C.icrute the 13
?,.pplicantc' characterication of the geologic formationt 14 on hydrologic unitc that crict undcr the Plant 'Jo g t l e 15 citc?
16 A.
The general characterication I think roccibly 17 not meaning cany of the conclucions, yes.
13 C.
Uhat crecific conclucionc crc fou referring 10 to?
20 7.
That ic an acuilucc --encuce re e -- that in 21 the tarl uncerneath the Vogtle facility, that Vcgtle in 2?
isolatc6 in an interfluvial high.
Thc t all of the 23 con tur ina n t o
',t ill enter into the Savannah I'iver, and P4 these crc a canric of come of the things t n c. t I uould be 25 concernef ocout.
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1 C.
Anything clce cpecifically that you can 2
recall at thic tinc?
3 A.
I'o t et thic time.
4 C.
I' r. Lculecc, do you dispute the e::ictence of 5
the Dlue Cluff tarl beneath the Plant Vogtle citc?
6 A.
I c'on't.
7 0
Do you dispute the Applicanto' G
charactcrication of that narl layer an a eclcercouc 9
clay?
10 A.
I don't.
11 C.
Dut you do dicrute thct that narl conctitutec
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12 an cffectively iul:e rnec bic lcycr?
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13 n.
I hcvc raiced qucctionc o r, iL.
14 0
On uhat bacic do you Cicputc the *:arl can act 15.
as.an internecLlo layer?
-15 A.
InaGequate characterication of the r.;crl by 17 Plant Vogtle.
10 C.
I!au is that characterication incdequatc?
10 n.
It ccens incomplcte.
They have not ancucred 20' interrogatorien completaly and none of the quectionc l
l 21 don't reahe technical ccnce.
AnC I guecc thet cayc it.
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IIha t note nhouli the 7.pplicanto do in the uay 23 of analycic of it that they have not 60nc to Cate?
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I ' :: not certain.
An a start they chould l
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25 conricte the intctragatorice cnd enruer then fully and
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35 m\\)
s-I completely.
~2 O.
Anything other than that?
3 76.
I'o t at thic tiue.
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O.
Tre you cuare of any crceific point beneath 5
the Plant Vogtle cite uhcre Pluo Pluf f raarl is permeable G
cr not recistant to grounductcr flou?
7 n.
- 'c. t st thic time, but-then, ac cin, I pight 0
vant to chance that comeuhat.
Coul0 you be a.little bit 9
core crocific?
10 0
Yec.
I'm aching ubether you have any 11 knouled'ge of any cpecific point bencath the Plant Vogtle (m(
12 citc whcre the Icc r l ic ;cr;.:cabic cr rot reciatent to (v) 12 groundueber flou?
14 A.
I have no knowlcCsc but I have reice6 15 questionc on it.
1G 0
30 you cannot iContify any particular point 17 uhcre you contenG it's permeable er not recictant to 10 groundwater?
10 A.
I have rainco cuectienc around vell noch
/_2, 20 and ucil nech /..' cecac to indicate there'c a poccibility i
21 that uctcr can flow froc one enc to th e no::t.
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22 0.
I:eu doen well noch /. 2 indicate thet?
l 22 A.
Occauce uells in the miC61c of the acuiclude 2/
have vater in then.
(m-)
25 C.
are you ccying that they he.vc uctcr fleu?
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1 A.
I'd.
2 0.
Th e-j have unter in then?
3 A.
Thcy have unter in ther..
That'r uhat I caid, 4
yec.
5 O.
In other uords, there are unter.levelc 6
rc c a u t r e f in the UcIlc?
7 A.
There in water in the ucilc.
8 0
"at docc the level of.ccer in a uell 9
indicate?
10 A.
That there is a level of uater in the well.'
11 0
i'ha t phycical forces recult in watcr ricing f')
12 in e ucll?
v 13
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Ec;:ende on ubere you arc.
14 0.
l' hat ic the height of the uctcr in a uc11 a 15 neacurenent of?
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I would imaginc..: e n y thince.
17 0.
Can you define for me uhat i s r.:e a n t by 10 hydroctatic pouer prcccure?
19
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That is c::actly what I'm referrinc to.
The 20 ucilc, the two wells in the acquiclude Gid record a 21-certain hydroctatic pouer prc.ccere end the intication 22 ucc that there ucc a ;.occibility that unter har, been 23 flouing and that'c uhat I'vc tried to rccc1vc.
4 C.
I' r. L aule ::c, de you knou t;bethcr you can get OV 25 a hydroctatic ;ouer Ercccure reading in a vell that's
C7
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1 drilled into 'roch?
2 n.
Eo, I do not.
3 0
Do you kno. what hycrostctic po'.'er prcccure 4
ncans, uhat it's a neacurcaent of?
5 A.
I have a acnce of it, but I do not knou uhat 6
it neans.
7 P.
Tro you auare, "r.
Lauletc, of any c?ccific roint i: a ne a th the ?lant Vogtle tito uherc the raa rl layer 9
ic interaittent?
10
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I'icht I return to that question fcr juct a 11 ninute therc.
I uould like to abriCca the connent to 12 cay that the hyCroctatic roucr preccure ucc juct wJ 13 ncntionc0 in there c onic.c n t : c n c' I hava not b.; C a chance 14 to look at then and to ctedy the.m, and that is the best 15 that I ccn do at thic time.
16 C.
I'i n c.
Eut baced cron your prior training and 17 c::perience you don' t hnou uhtt that terr:. ncann, corrcct?
10 T..
I have ren acrocc it beforc, but I c'o no t 10 recall at thic Line uhat it r.:c a n c.
20 '
O.
Tsrc you aware of any cpccific point beneath 21 the Plant Vortle cite uhcre the r:.arl layer ic 22 intermittent or Ocen not c ::i c t ?
23 n.
I ' t.. r.o t cuarc of any epccific inctancoc.
I
?4 c.
I rc you cu.:re of any crecific point uhcre (3
crucable :cchione c:ict in the earl?
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25 fracturce or s.-
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CC 1
A.
!?d t to the best of ny hnoulcagc.
2 C.
I?o ?
3 I.
I'C.
4 C.
Do you contend Elue :luf f ::.arl chenccc to 5
linectcnc anyubcre in the vicinity of the plant cite?
G T..
I have not nado that contentior:.
7 C.
I believe you indicatcf that you (o dicpute C
th e s t e. t e rt e n t nade the A;pliccnte the t thc untcr table 9
aquifer beneath the plant cite in hydraulicelly icolated 10 on an interfluvial high?
11 T..
I have ached uhy riant Vogtle has r.ade that l?
ctatcaent anC her ther cace thet conclecion and ti.e 13 recponce hac juct arrived and I heve not ha? c chance to 1,*.
aCeguately ctedy their recronrc.
15 C.
So you bacically yourcelf have no bacic for 1G cr no information availabic to you that vould indicate 17 onc uay or the other ubether it'c icolated under an 18 interfluvial high?
i 19
- 7..
I have only what I revicued in the Voctle 20 recponucs and inforcation in their focumente.
21 C.
Ct.n you identify : ny lace tion at ubich unter
?2 in the unter t a b l e.
ecUlfer Underneath the plant cite l
23 travele off of the plant citc7 M
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.' r y c I r, ado cuch an identificrtion?
l 25 C.
Can ycu?
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Tou meca herc today?
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( ".. Er. Davt nior t)
I ' I;. ac! in,.
5 you can identify for te any location at unich vater in 6
the uctor t a 'c l e aquifer travele off of the,. l a.i t cite.
7 I cannot roccll cny infornation :t thic tinc.
O n.
De you Cicrute that vatcr in the uelcr table P
cquiftr undernceth the plant cite.,ovce in :. 6irection 10 of and Cicchcrces into otrcer char.nvlu croun( I'l c.n t 11 Vcetle that have cut Coun.into or cloce to the rarl 3?
crea?
13
- 7..
I bcVe rcicc0 thet ec.: tion.
1/.
O.
On what bacic Co yoe Cictutc that c:attacnt?
15
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"ccauce it cccued that r i c.n t Vogtle Cid not 1G characterir.c that ';crt of their environment c o r.q l e t e ly,
17 co I asked on uhat bacic Cid they r:ahe thcir ctatcuent.
10 C.
Chct capect of the environaent CiC they fa'il 10 to characterir.: completely?
20
- 7..
'Th e y j u c t nciC it unc on en interfluvic1 h i r.' h 21 cut b y.: t r e a l.: channele on c.1 1 r: 14 ;.
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r.
Co av I correct in ctatint that you have no f3 crccific bacic for Cicrutinr; that centcntion, but you're
.V juct not r:U r c it'c correct based on the i n f o r;'a t ion proviCoC?
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1 A.
rdced on the information provided that t
1
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'2 c ta t eraen t ceeran erroneouc.
3 q.
Ubich inf orraa tion do ycu rely on to say it'c i
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erroneouc?
e e
j 5
A.
The inforcation that Plant Vogtle hec 6
provided, the plans, the curface masc.
I don't rccall f
7 at thin tice, but it ccomed that it was -- it secned r
i C
that ir way not Lm icolated, co I ashed the quection to l
i D
find out on t' hcl basic they bcd made that statencat.
i 10 C.
Eut the only infornation that you have is the 11 information that's been provideC by the 4:plicantc?
l 3
12,
A.
That'c correct.
(V f
l 13 C.
Do you dicretc that io,.eiiately bcnacth the t
I 14 pouer block uater in the water table actifer movec in f
15 the direction of 1:athec rond?
I 16
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I have raiced the quection cc to ubether -- I L
17 have raised the cuestinn hou Vuctle ic concerned that'c la it'n noving in only that (Irection.
10 C.
On uhat bccic do you ficretc the 7,pplicantc' 20' characterication of uater novement in the untcr table i
21 aquifer in that crea?
2?
- t..
It cecar that the in f or:ca t ion that they l
i 23 provi(ed urn not in detail.
They only ctate( that the
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thing -- they ctated the information in such a vay that l
25 lec ;.e to believe that they fcit thi: grouacuatcr van l
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1 traveling in"that direction, and no I asked for core 2
inf orr;c tion to underetand hou they drew thece 2
conclouionc.
4 0
co your problem ic be.cically uith a lack of 5
infornation, not with contrcry information?
1 6
7;.
It.coeuc that I vould agree with you in part 7
that in lach of information, but et thic time I'u C
uncertain en to whether or not it'ra contrary 4
9 infornation.
10 0.
Iir. Laulecs, what Cata vould you need to 11 determine the direction of groundvatcr flou?
17 T..
The groundvatcr flow map of Vogtlo curface.
13 0
Such a aar han bocn provided in the final 14 cefcty unclyaic, was it not?
15 T..
It did not coem Cetailed.
16 0
h a t crccific data vould be provic'cd by cuch 17 a r.ap that you vould une in 6eteru.ining the direction of 10 flow?
10 71 You uculd ucnt to know heights of'caurle 20' moacuremente ar.d directionc of grounductor flou.
You 21 vould vant to validato --
22 0
I'r aching ycu hou you would detert..inc 23 directicn of croundvater flou?
24 A.
I:cu uculd I do it?
I ucula not do it.
25 O.
You could not d e t e r ru i n c ?
I
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>(
1 L.
I'c',
I uould not.
2 0
Do you I:nou hou the direction of grounc'uator 3
flow 10 nornally deternincd7 4
n.
I uould not detcrninc it.
5 O.
Do you knou how it would be detcrained by G
concone
'ho 10 in the buninccc of determininc it?
7 A.
I have read the reportc of cavannah niver 2
riant l' o u it ucc determined but at thic ticc I do not 9
recall hou it unc done.
10 0.
If you cannot c'Etermino yourcelf the 11 direction of grounductor flou, hou Co you deteruine if O
12 conconc clco'c prediction ic crrcnecut?
13 A.
Since ue'rc talhing cbout uany cubjectc, very 14 ccurle:. c u b j e c t :_, I try to refrain frca rcuot;;cring 15 foruular and ct.ccific citatienc and crccific inctancoc.
16 It's just too auch to recenbcr.
So uhen I';.. dealing 17 uith c rarticular inctance, thcn I uill rich up all the 18 information that's avcilable at thin time and cc and 10 reccarch the cubjectc an6 try to cloco the loop on the 20 information that'c cvcilable end uhat ic not available.
23 Then I'll ccil that pcrticular c:Tcrt in the field, call 22 up cuthorc who have uritten certain docuuente cad try to 23 cover the natorial ac bect I ccn.
That's the usy I 24 uculd cttenrt to tcchle it.
Oc you your."cl2 Uculd not attcart to
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1
- ctormine diicction of grounchiatcr flo' ?
2
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"ould not rhycically, uould not get out in 3
the fielC. an? cutonpt to deterr..ine grounduatcr flou.
4 C.
I'ra ecking frem data provided to rou.
5 n.
I v.icht quection it, but I uould not attempt 6
to determine it.
I.uould do cc I have donc, I uculd 7
raice the quectionc that have boca reiced in recponce to C
the in2 creation "1cnt Vogtle han provided or in responce 9
to cucctionc that have been ached.
10 (I:h c r c upo n, a luncheon rccecc vac taken.)
11 C.
(Dy Iir. Davenport)
Ur. Laulecc, is it your 12 contention that contatination founci at th; Plant Vogtle v
13 in the vicinity of the ro',:c r h 1 o ch u c ul d ::.o v.' in the 14 direction other than the direction of I:athec rond?
I believe 15 A.
I'n not certain.
Thoce arc 16 that'c part of an interrogatory that ucc rciccl., but at 17 thic time I don't recall.
10 0
I' r. Laulecc, do you have cny kno'..* ledge 10 concerning the uc11 ucere thct drcu unter fron ucllo are 20' froa the watcr aquifer bcncath tha riant citc?
21
- f.,
only the inforuation thet'c been crovided by 22 the 7,rplicants.
It that Vogtln?
23 C.
Yec.
2.*
t.
Chay.
O,j 25 O.
.o it'c infercation that'c provided by the o
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?pplicentc?
2
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'/ c c, thct'n correct.
Ilthough I t h in!: there 3
uca accc in f o r::.a t i on in the i a t e r r o c :' t o r i a c, too.
4 P.
l.g t: in, infer:..ntion JruviCc6 by th:
5 Iq:1-l i c a n t o ?
G l.
'!u c.
7' O.
I: it your cont <.ntion t'u.t the ?,., l i c t n t :.
O aun c c t i r.m '. e of the time it 'lo u l f t a.'; r a ny con tc!. ir.a t io n reachine thc 7cter t c L,l e equifcr at the plant cite to 10 travel to rathec rond ic errcncouc?
l.i c.
2c.
12 o.
On uhat Eccic?
12 7.
Cu ti.c e:: t c. n a iv e
..r.crience that I've had.
14 0.
iie t acpcct of th:t ec l c u lin ie n ic erroncouc?
15
- 7..
Thc travel time.
16 0.
Do you Cicrute the correctnecc of the f o r raula 17 ucc6 by the I.pplicantc?
10
- 7..
I-don't rcccll the f o rin. l r..
If A.
Do "ou dic.rute th_ ". c r u. c o ;; !. i t " firurec uced a
20 Liy the 7.pplicentc?
21 7.
I can't rccell t'.o;c.
?
O.
Do yet k n o.? Ubothcr the Intervenort. in thin 23 action c.rc challent inc thc c o r r e c t n a c :.. of thocc figurec?
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I (o not ':r o u.
The Inte rv,-i.o r c, 'het'c the --
20 1rt 1. c rei.bracc that.
I'C ccy it'c not Pl a n t '.'o g t l e.
i nr a
9 1
C.
F e'.
I a r.: t a l h i n c.'
about Plant Vettic.
2 I ' '.. PLTCT:
I think the Intcrvenore are C
,o.,
a.. n c st.
u.
i 4
T"P I'ITITOC :
That'c ul. r I < v :. be c. i n n i n o.
5 to hccktreck.
I think there have becn cor.:e cue ct ions 6
r a i r c C i n u t croun0uater travel t ir.i c, ycc.
7 c'.
( ".v I: r. Davennort) ro ' jeu have : n't Sccic to u
O Cicrutt the teractbility fittrcc u ;C by the T.N11cantc?
9 Ts.
The only thinc in CicrutcC crcunduacer travel 10 t irc e.
11 r.
" hat ir the baric acain on uhich yet Cicrutc
- 3. -
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13 7.
& s :. t c n c iv e c:2crience that I've had anC 14 the litcrcture, clthouch I
'o not rccall the litcrcturc 15 c o rr.pl e t e ly.
1G 0.
" hat in your s.::rcrienec-Irevidcc you 17 in f o r n:a t i on thct'c cucccctc ta you that the catirc. ate at 13 I'lant Voctic in incorrcct?
1P A.
I belicve the Plant "ectle calculation anc 20 the II C calculation, ubich cre cciculationc of a cimilar 21 nature, thct the river plant ba c. cat:a thone..o r t c of 2?
celculationc.
23 C.
!'h a t ith re c; c c; to thece calculatione et cauccc you to conclucc that the rien" Voct.lc calculation ir i n c o r r : c:r ?
L..
DC 6
l 1
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Do you Iccan other than uhat 2
has alrc Cy been proviCod in the cateriale?
I 3
Pr. r?.VCrror.T:
ro.
I'm aching here 4
toCey ac far cc be'c told tc that Ciffcrent calculationc 5
to him acan that the riant Vogtle c;1culation i c G.
incorrect.
Peally what I'm aching ic how thoco 7
cciculationc cuggect to you thct the riant Vogtle F
8 calculation in. incorrect?
9 n.
The Savannah river Plant r.ade pr:Cictionc 10 that it would ta ke 200 yearc and then they revised that 11 numbe r (c'.!nu a r d to 107 yearc for grounductor travel 12 time, anCi the grounductcr travel tin woc actuclly found 13 out to be lecc thcn 25 yearc.
14 0.
Ic that the only data en which you rcly to 15 dicrutc the travel tirac cctitaated by the A' plicantc?
c 16 A.
At thin tirac that'c cli I ccn recall.
17 0.
That prediction acCe by the Cavannch River 10 Plant, that uca a trcfiction for the t i;ac it vould take L
'1D t r i ti ura in a burial ground to outcrop; 10 thct correct?
20
- 7..
That in correct, but therc are other bite of 21 data cuch oc thc $trontium-00 trevt2 time, other
??
racionuclide travel tiuo fren ether locationc en the
?3 3avannch niver ritnt, n'c the body el knowleCco.
It'c Ta the litcretur. that vec av.:ilabic to te i n r y c e ;.* c i t y.
25 7cu cf.y the rtrenticc-00?
n
-,3-~-_m.-
.y_,_
__,.,,__o.-_,._.-_.,__.,.--m-.__r_-_.
D7 0
1 1
- 7..
Ctrontien
^0.
i
?
r.
It it c t r o n t i e:.' ?
?
1.
" t r o n t i e rc : ' r r-
! Li x.
/
r.
':h c. ; rrecifienlly arc
,m u rc2ctrine to?
5 7.
S.e travel t i r.' c for ctrontion-rc to co into 6
the c u r f a c '. anC outcror.
7 0.
"hcrc?
C
?..
It the Savcnnah PiIcr Tlant.
C 0.
"here cr.ecifically et the r.lant?
10
- 7..
In cecroce bacinc.
11 C.
"hich :ec
.cc terinc?
-, i.n.,
,e 13
" hen uerc thor:,rcticticnc ccCe?
1/.
- l..
I Con't r e e:t ll t h c t, ; a t;,rcdictitnr.
'hece 15 crc actu-1 travel ti.mcc.
IG c'.
l.:..
I correct in c e:'ing
- be t vor're c a "2 ine a
a 1
17 becauce of the ceteel trc"cl t i: _ in the car:
01.'
ctrontiu:c
O "cu feel that rirnt '!c7 tic trcvel t i r.. e d
l
ectit..atec..cy Le errencouc?
I
'O 71
";c, alco 'e c c r e c e the F.l'nt i.'o c t l e 21 cc1cul.*tionc., rc O i f f t. r c u t fren the :TC c l ', e l..i t i o n c.
2 I cr.n n o t li::t c11 of the tc..:onc, r.: r t oC t h o c t.
r e c r o n t.
?3 havc Pecn trellci ett in
- t. li e ir.t;rrocatorie that lia v e
?/
becn uritten cod L c. r t of the:. hovc P. en.., c 11 e i' o t t in t h s.
"'T c o : :..e n L c.
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l l
i
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n
- e.. t 0
1 0.
Ed you know whether the PRC occ0 the caue
?
- crneability nnd Jerccity?
?
l.
Ic, I Co not roccli et thic t i. :c.
4 O.
Do y o u k n o'.,
whethtr unc. :.C !.w C ; cny 5
anctu;-tionc that werc Cifferent thaa t h e a s u u..q; t l o n c o f 6
th e I.i l:liccn t c ?
7
?..
I i.clieve they Cir.
T' r
- 'o you knoJ uhat thc travel tiac 'cticatc 9
recebcC 1:y the I'nC uc c?
10
- 7..
It ucc an orCer c" 1.atnitcCc lecc, but I 11 Con't rccall uhat it '!c c.
12 0
" hat other trav:1 t it a 0;' the P.'vanrwh River 13 Plant cre you rcferrin'; to other t'.
.n the ctrontien-00 l'
travel t i.:.c ?
15 T..
Thc t r i t i u r..
travel tine, the trav:1 Linc for 15 ct.rontici.i-00, for other radionuclidcc anC o ti:w:
17 hacarCouu contauinantc.
10 D.
Do you rccall
'll of t h u c.?
Cr. r. y o u givc ue l !'
crocificc7 20 7.
Ctrontico 00 la one, tritico ic c r.o th e r.
I "I
Con't recall any otheru, but th.r.
t r,. rub tantiel --
.12 there 1: a nubc'. ant ici ' ody ( Z infor atica on other
3 rcCionuclidec ca ve11.
?"
r.
- ' c the only t '. r t '.. e t yo u ~;:cc if icclly recall
?S at thl: t i;w :re the travel t i.x Ccr the tritiura and for w. -
- n. c.
6
~
l I
1 the ctrontiud-00?
)l l
?
T.
That ic ric h t, but it'c c little bit I
3
- c. i cl e a d i n c.
I Can't recc11 the a::a c t travel ti.mc for 4
the ctronieu CD.
I j u:,t recall n rJ r o::ime t t l-J uhat como 5
of the valuce vere.
C C.
"ac the tritiun rcloccc rcint in t h e c a r.t e 7
crca c*
the c'.roatium-90 relcace :ciar?
I' 7
7c; nnt no.
I t '.- not -- tc:.y c;untion to 9
ancucr becaucc they arc rc61onuclivet that arc releaced 10 in the l'urial ground and in the burial cround there ic' 11 ctrontita-00 and t r i t i u r.,
a l.d there'r cico tritiu:
and i
l?
ctrcatier-00 rcicaced ct th ceci:.c-bccinc.
i i
13 c.
" hat crecific treval t ir.. e
,>rc ycu rcfcrrinc i
l 1/.
to for the utrontium-00?
15 T.
I' u r the cceracc bacin.
16 C.
I, r c thecc r.c c re c e bccinc in the cine c. rec?
17
- 7..
In the ccue ar c.
l 11 C.
"ith recpcct te tuc tritiura c o n t e r. in a t i o n,'
i 1
10 una the t r c 't c 1 t i:c e fictence reCucud 1 y e t c. u i o n ?
1 20
- f.,
i'h c e t ucrc c acrict of rerortc thet re.vannah j
l 21 Piver Plant '; u t out that (incececc : char t ene 0 ric;rt tion
' e th Ct a to cro ion, uhich t >oult' b r. v -
choretatC the
??
J
?3 outcrop tinc.
t P/
0.
In fact thore reJortc indicche that the T[
t.l s rc t icn, ~ t h U.' :. chert.cr.to 'y c,t r t. : ir:.a t :l'c E0 l
/S 100 s
'V 1
perccnt, did*it not?
2 T:.
I don't recall 50 percent.
I recall raore 3
like 25 percent, but it ucc 25 pcreent that had to bc 4
calculated -- I do not recall offhand whether or not i
5 there ucc a ci:ccific nonber provided nuch ac 50 percent.
G The reccon uhy ic becauce the outcrcp point tac cbout 7
th rec-f cu rthe of the '.7ey f rca the 'cu rici gecend to O
Po u r-i:il e. Cr c e h, but even that ic c rather bread P
ctateuent cnd not crecific cnough.
The burial ground 10 itccif in a rather large crec.
11 0.
That crocion alco affected the grcdient of f
}
12 the grounductor inc.edia tely :.clou the.urface, c'id it a
13 not?
14
- P. PLT:CI :
I'ould you rciect the 15 question.
lG O.
( y sir. Davenport)
The crocion of the 1
1 17 outcrop crea clno affccted thc gradient of the upper j
10 cquifer in that vicinity, did it not?
l 10 T..
It affected the groundvatcr.
I do not rcccll 20 how it affccted it.
21 0.
ihen you refer to grouo6 water we're tclhing 3
I 22 abcut the utec t ar.ulfer?
l 23 T.,
"he grounductcr or the urtcr inacdiately 2/
Ullf'C r nC a t h thC rur2SCO.
O
.v/
?5 O.
- c r e,"ou involved ct cl1 in cricly::inc. the e
r 's 101
(
)
v 1
problemc asedciated with the-tritiun outcrop in your 2
duticc at the cavannah niver Plant?
3
- 7.. -
That vac one of my duticc, ycc.
reana do eu contend ra6icactive 4
0.
Zy uhat j
5 contaminante vould reach the unter aquifer beneath the G
Plant Voctle cito?
7 A.
I Co~not belicve that Vcctic contenCs that E
they ;ill not.
I don't rccell thet.
9 G.
Do you contend that they vill?
10 7,.
I don't think I've contended that.
I've 11 reiced the quection about uhat harrenc after they reach (O
1?
it.
v 13 0.
So you have not done a ny c na ly c i:., o r raiscG 14 any quectionc about whethcr racioactive contaminants-15 uill reach the groundwater; your anal cic har accumed j
16 there are contaminants in the croundvatcr?
17 A.
I really don't rcccll.
I think that is so, 10 but I don't recall.
I thinh that va've raiced the issue 10 only about uhat happenc.
T. gain, on rcficction I guecs 20 that'c not cntirely correct beccccc ve've talhtd about 21 the holdup tank uhich in a rotential cource of 22 co n t a:ai na n t e into the trounducter.
Fu the ancuer to 23 that could bc ycc and no.
l N
C.
"I.t. t ir the function el the holiep tt.nh at b(/
25 Plant Vogtle?
102
~
i 1
A.
I* don't recall.
I ucult hcvc to b r i e f r..y c e l f 2
on it cccin.
3 C.
':c u..i e h t i
!;c c 'ource ef conte;:inantc?
,,hrcuta Ubi.c c c t a,:
I ea p.
v.,
- t.
6
?.
I quecs I watn't thct concerned,;ith the path 7
so nuch cc in recocnicinc the c:1rr ile r i t v 'c e t.. c e n that O
cituc. tion enc t.ic cituction at the ? cv un nt.h F.iv e r Plant.
O q.
Do a"cu have anv knoulc0ge concerning the a
10 conctruction or fabriention of the 1.oldup tcnh at Flcnt 11 Voctle?
p-l?
A.
I
'nnc thin:. no.
~
12
" ta L ccc vill be ocu : t lc.nt Vectle of 1/
nctural coil column?
15 A.
II I recall, therc ucc c c;c e ucc.
I don'b 10 r e r.t e nb c r.
17 0,
to you r e n e:. s c r c.ny of tha 6etcilc of how it 10 uoulC 120 tcci?
10
?.
Po.
It ' c ' cen chile c b ce I 10ohc0 at the c
20 Dr0 ca0 cven loncer cince I lecheC ct the SP2R.
21 C.
To you huou uhet cce ill Le raCc at Plant 22 Voc.tle of the buriel crounC?
23 A.
I don't rce'll burial crcund at rinnt
??
Voctic.
^5 C.
'o yo u ':not-rhat tcc 111 '"
.c ? c et riant
('N 103
\\$)j 1
Vogtic.of trinchec?
1 2
A.
I Con't recall therc heing a trench at riant 3
- Vogtic, i
4 0.
20 you kncu unct U00 uill be Rado at Plant E
Vogtle of cooling rondc?
G
- l..
There a r c.
ponda, as I r c n:ct. b e r, at riant 7
Vogtle.
I rencmber thct cenerally creching they fell C
into tuo categorica, ctructural faciliticc E.nd also I O
thinh col..c cort of'a ccttling pond.
I juct don't 10 recall.
11 C.
to you knou uhat vce vill be c.cde nt riant 12 Vcctic cf Lettlin". r:o n 6 c ?
3 v
13 I Zon't recall.
14 0
Do yuu know any of the (otailc of the 15 construction of thoce ronde?
16 T..
I have read the literature on it, but I don't 17 recall what it vac.
18 0
'?ha t do you mean by ctrectural faciliticc?'
19 A.
Concrete facility, I 1.clieve there unc a
?0 '
couple of blou Corn vc1ves.
21 0
Do you knou *.*hct uce vill be nado of Flau 2?
foua valvnc et Plant Vogtle?
23 A.
I don't reccll.
24 0
to you !.nou hou c.ny Llo-Coun valvec et riant O
(/
25 Vogtle are conctrrctcC?
. m m
,0p.
1 A.
I*have read the naccrial on it, but I don't 2
recall it at thin time.
3 C..
Do "cu knou uhat ece if a n '. uill b: c.c C c of
/
retention b a r> i n c ct Elcnt Vcctle?
5 A.
I don't recell at thic tiDc.
5 O.
To you knou Uhat uce if a n'y uill.;c naCe of 7
cta r tu;> irac ine at Pl.i n t Voctln?
C 7.
I re:c. cube r a Ccccrirtion of it in t 'c _ PPC.
I C
Con't recall in the SFln that ic corrcct, b u e.
I Con't 10 renenber that much chout it.
11 C.
"o you racer;.ber cny of the Cctailn about the 3
I?
construction of a::y.;t a r ir r ' e s in E ?
3,
+o,
.r to n o._.
i s
14 O.
'20 your knoulcCge vill eny Lyt c of haccrc.ouc 15 wasto carthen ic t:o un dt.en t c Ic uced ct Plc n t l'oc t le ?
15 A.
I don't reccll.
I c e;q:O c c it Ce cnd; en -- I 17 thinP it vac r. art of the quection, l' art of the 10 interroratorice that have been c.:. h : C a n C I juct Ccn't 10 rccell et thic tine.
20 0.
00 I accuac you Con't hnou uhat c o n t a r.. i n a n t a M
uoulf 'e Ci e.: crc 0C into c li y of thoce tyicc of 22 faciliticc that I have > cu t-.one t h r o u c. h ?
23 Uc.
I rcrenbcr recCinc t!.o naterial and I PA r c ne.Lh c r uri ti ng recronce.,
- or':in c c n the
.' F i n te r r e c..t c r ie c, but I Cor't rccc11 the rtecificu.
105
^,
s
\\
1 r...
M. uhc.c racchenis: c Co "ou contend contcuinction recching the unter t a b i c.
cruifcr cculd 3
r c a ci. the lover confince cc;uif t r c ?
4 T_.
"cll, I have not C r cun r.q :. c t e r i a l and i
5 thoughtc to e conclecion yet, i'e're still in a procecc G
of gettinc rcc.t:encec back f r c;.i V o r t i c.
O c r. c of thou are 7
in 1.anC.
T.n C I've not cteCie6 all of the recEcncec co I
'I have not O r c ;:c c c C.
9 0
Can you anc cr that c;U;ution at all toCcy?
10 T.,
I could give you c n c.:c.: rle.
11 P.
Flecce Co.
~
1 l?
A.
h.
conte.t.inaLica could catcr throup the s_
a curtacc inmo
.n u t.. t a, r c u t,a
.:U..e
- e ci
- a.. i r a o r cuother, ;
- c c c u
1/.
throuc.h th o :.:a r l anC enter into the confineC D.a.uifer.
15 O.
r y
'.. c t ncchania: crc you cut acting that it 15 could 1:c c o through the I.arl?
17 T,.
I haven't CeciC2C yet.
I f' O.
Do you have any ' e s;c c a t i o r. c ?
10 7.
T. t Ocvannch :livcr rlcnt they 1.ccreC thrcuch 20 bccence of variacc recconc, cc.tc ' v e talhcc cbout 2) carlict, through c5cnioncC :cll., t i t. h t "
cn c::a ra rlo,
22 but I havcn't CcciCoC the hact u c y '. c rcclonc to thct.
?3 0
Tt th-; Oc y cn n;.h I'iv e r I'l c a t cont <uaination hac
.?
rcccheC the levar confintC xltifcr only in t h e :~ c ni I:
?D cr.:e..; ic chei co r t.. c t ?
d
ICG 1
T.
Th'at nay or may.not bc corrcct.
That acy or
?
rc.a y n o t 'c c totclly knoun.
3 r'.
T' o ;cu hav.- c 1-hr.e':ledte that accge tionc 4
th c. t it i: not correct?
5 A.
I have no knouledge to ruggest that it ic 6
correct cr that it'c not.
7 0.
itc icu rcrconclly : :c r c 0 2 an; inctance in G
'thich contaninct. ion hcc r e a c'c e d tue louer c o n f i r. e t' 9
ccluifer at thc Savannah River Plant cetcide of the !" and 10 A arcar?
11
- n. PL AC:::
I th i n!: he'c ancuered that.
-. l u.; e.
7e.
.t a.
.ts
- s. ?
e ir: n r t.y o. - ur.e.
- 7. L. t c.
, G. c.
S 1,
, c, c a-
_..a t
o l'
not cuare cf hou uc'll a n n.. : r that
-t thic : nc. c.
1/.
r.
(Ey Fr. Davenport) 7.ny t h i n g ic ;occible, Fr.
15 Lculect.
I ' rt. achine "or uhcthcr you knou or are cuare 2
16 of cny infernation that indicccce that it h a :. har;.ened 17 anyplace outci6e of the r.nd T crca?
3C A.
I'u not awarc et tiii n tioc.
19 C.
In the I a n d I. area thera'c no nccl confinincl 20 arca, ic there?
nuc'ccte<' Lo be therc and predicted to 21
- l..
It v2a
,,ccc.
ca
./
.. ~
23 C.
- he credictcr' it to be therc?
94 T..
- Durant,
.s..,l.,
i.o.
\\
- o..r, n.
s
107 1
A.
Iri 19 77.
2 0.
"ou're referring to the letter f rom ::r. Ice?
?
2.
"es.
I Con't believe tact letcer hor.:ver war i
4 Uritten in 1977.
I vac acttclly rcftrrint tc the bo6y 5
of litcrcture that vac put out durint that t i rac, but 6
therc's an cdeguate rcpreccntative of thct literature.
7 0.
nre you cuore of iny end can you cit,_ re to c
any ot!:r ricco of literature that. ^Uprorte thct f
Utatcuent?
10 L.
The 1977 envircnuental i n p.r. c t ctatnent.
Pet 11 there ere othere.
',, i l?
r.
Cc.n you iJantify cny othere?
_3,a e..
po,u o,. t n a ra.
14 0.
Your tectiuon's ic that in the 1977 s
15 environnentcl iuract eteteccnt that the ravennah river 16 Plant inCicrted that the narl confiniac 1cyce ua:
17 preccut in the I: and A
- c. r t c ?
13
- 7..
I'o, I did not cc-y that.
10 n.
Pleece corrcct. u.
t h e r..
het i: ;our 20 tecticony?
21
?he tectimony ir thic, chet the inCicationc 2?
were, anC I don't recell :u ucific rtctetertc, the 23 indicaticne ucrc that the preCictionc racic in 1976 cnd I,'
'077 Porc that the test ecuifer
'c ' r confined and coule
?E not bc :: r e i c':ra' by conterination.
1
10C 1
C.
Pd yce know what rpecific area uithin the 2
Savannah Eiver Plant those ItcGictionc verc 'a6e with
'2 rcccect to it?
i L.
I 60 not rccall that they iContifioO any E
cr.ccific arcas apart f r on: a n-f other z:r c a s.
6 C.
So your testinony in that the-ctatocent vac 7
made that ovcr the entire 300-rgtert.:il e erec of the U
Savann ah P.iver Plant that that
u c c c ioc c a ;tifer could D
not be !:rcached becauce of a confining arca?
10 A.
Fy tecticony ir I c' o net rei..eh.ber t h e:r. being 11 any c.ccc crecific than uhat I have rcif.
('.Th e r c e r e n, th court
)
l
r c ; c r t e r
.:c r : ~ t' 7.y; 11 ca n t s '
" ",L i!. i t,.~o. 10 Zor i o c r. L u... ication.)
14 15 C.
(Ey ::r. D e.v t n ro r t ) ::r. L.:lecc, you've been 16 hance ( ' bat's bcen markct ac I.;.pliccntc C::hib i t Fo. 10.
17 Can you identify that (ocument for ne, clease.
1 P.
7,.
Thic in the Clarh Ice to ::r. Stotaan IP September 29, 1076, letter.
20 C.
Ic thic the letter you vero refctring to 21 p r evio ucly '. tith the ct.a t e c c n c the Tencalonce Tx;eifcr uan
??
not in ing brea chc C?
23 7.
Thic in the letter yoe rcicrre( to.
C.*
0 Can you point et to the cortion of the lettcr
?5 that refer to the Tarceloon. J.;eiZcr?
i L
C's lor v'
1 A.
Id's Iten Po. 72 on page C.
2 0.
D o y o u k n o.
'.t h c. t prc;itc6 ::r. Ice to urite 3
thic letter?
4
?..
It ucr in recroncc to - la'.;ccit.
5 O.
Icn't it true that the individually numbered 6
itcmc in the letter recpond to cpccific paracrephc in 7
the cotrlaint in that lavuult?
I Co not I:nor twt.
I Con't knou O
l.
i'c c C
that.
That'c -- I just do not knou that.
10 0
- ' r. Ice indicatec thct in the c c c o n c' 11 a c t s.; c c b. of the cover letter, Occc he not?
Let ne y
(m; 12 raint vcu inctecd to the ceconi r-(t, thc c o r.:n t n t at the t
,v 13 bottom of the pcge there.
I' r. Ice inCicctec thct the 14 cormcnto are n e r.ib e r e d t o correcpond with the 15 cnnuacration of the paragrcrhc in the courlaint, does he 16 not?
17 A.
That is uritten domi there, but I have no 10 kn oul e c'g e of that.
10 C.
ro you have any hnoulcege of that c11cectionc 20' ucre made in the complaint?
21 A.
I bcVe cotc knouledcc, but Lt thic time I do 22 not roccll any cf the elleentionc in the ccnplaint.
23 n.
Co at thic.tir.o you do not recc11 the 2*
crecific allocation thet ::r. Ice uca rcarencing to in AV 25 rcragrarh ro. 72?
e
r 110 b< x 1
A.
r o',
I do not.
2 Un. FLT.C":
CoulC I cce that for e 3
ronent?
/.
O.
( y F r. EcVenport)
Er. Lculecc, Co you hnou 5
uhat crecific reculation of the Ecvannah River Plant Pr.
G Ice in referrinc to in Para,crorb 72?
~
7
- f..
ro, I c'o not.
C r.
I:r. Lculecc, do you contonC that the 9
hydraulic heaC cf the unter tchlc equifer unCerneath 10 Plant Vogtle vould affect the micration of contaninantc?
11 T..
I ' l-not contenCing that it vould.
b 12 C.
Trc you contenCint that.i t coul0?
v 13 A.
I have raice( gecutionc chout uhether or not 14 the aquifer in confincC end hou ucll that 15 characterication hac been acdc.
16 0
Do you knou uhat hyGraulic hea6 ccicts on the 17 uatcr table underneath Plant Voctic?
10 T-.
I don't recall at thic time.
19 C.
I:r e yo u c ua r e of rny location within the 20 boundarica of the plant nitt uncre that hydraulic head 21 docon't e::i n t ?
22 L.
I'm not erare of that.
23 0
rocan't the enictcnce of the hydraulic head --
2 /_
?..
That'c baccc on the accutrtion there are no
/,
N
~
\\_/
25 head reicrcalc.
"e raiced the quection ac to hou Vogtle
1 1
111
(~ 3 N
/
u --
I has determined that there are no head revercalc.
2 0.
Arc you aucre of any head rcvercalc 3
un6erneath the plant citc?
?
T..
I'n not cuarc of any at thic tiac.
5
.C.
Ic it your contention that the hy6rculic head 6
uight act ac a Gounuard force?
7 t>.
I have not nade a contention.
C O.
It it your contention that any contenination 9
in the unter table aquifer that reachec I:athec Pond 10 uould in coac manner then be able to :aigra te into the 11 loucr confincd aquiferr?
12 T..
I have raicco qecctionc ebout ehether or not (s,)
13 that ic i:o c c ible.
14 C.
Do you have any inferration that uoul6 15 cuggest that that'c poccibic?
16 A.
I do not recall any information at thic time 17 about the Plant Vogtle facility, but I have raised the 1C question about uhother or not that ir yoccible.
1r C.
Do you knou the bacic on chich you rained 20' that quection?
21 T..
Sened on the e::tcncive c::re r ie n ce thar I've 1
S' had at-the Savannah River ?lant.
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23 0
rut you're not aucre of any information P4 related crecificolly to Plant Vogtle that uculd cupport
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uculd be able'to migrate to the lower equiferc?
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I'm not auerc of any infortcction that scyc 3
that it vill rcach the lover confir.ed ar;uif c r.
4 C.
"culC you dcccribe uhat ic neant by a 5
preccure differential between the unter tabic aquifer 6
and the louer confinco equifer?
7 A.
I' hat wac that tchen out of?
E C.
I'n juct aching whether you ccn tell uc vhat 0
is tecnt by ;;recoure diffcrntial betucen the uctor table 10 cquifer and louer confined equifer?
11 A.
Ic that conething I oced?
g) l?
C.
Do you unde:r cte nd the teru?
I'm not here to i%;
i 13 ancuer quectionc.
14
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I thin!: he'c pctnitted to got 15 his c o n t e :. 'c in which thic tcrn ic eced in the ancucr.
1G I:P.. DT.V 2H FOP.T :
It'c bcing used in the 17 contc::t of rcy quection.
10 IT. FLLCE:
If he doccn't underttand the 10 quection --
20 '
i T., Dr.VOI'ronT :
Then he can ocy he 21 docen't.
22 0
( I'y :' r. EcVenport)
- r. Lculces, can you 23 c:: plain to rie uhat is ncent by a freccerc differential 24 bet cen an u;'rer aquifer and a louer aquifer?
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25 A.
I guccc I uruld
.r a r. t to ': n o w the conte::t from I
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e 113 m
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uhich that qdection came and then ucybe I could recpond 2
better.
3 C.
So juct ac I have a c!.e d the question you 4
.can't rccpond to it?
5 A.
Prcccure differenticl?
6
-0 A preccure differential, what ir acant by 7
that?
C l.
I'c a n t there'c a preccure differcatial.
9 C.
Uhat doec it necn to say there'c a preccure 10 differenticl?
11 A.
I guccs I don't !:ncu how to recrond to a (m) 12 quection that'c out of co n t e :: t, anC I Con't ece the N._/
13 relevancy of the q ue c t io: ct thin t iL.c.
14 0
'7ha t phycical phenonenen ic the tert pressure 15 differential uced to refer to?
16 A.
That there's a precourc C.if f erential L e tween 17 tuo pointc.
10 0
Chat does it 1:,eca when therc's a preccure 19 differential between tuo icints?
Ic the prcccure higher 20' at one point, lover at another point?
21
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It : ay be; cay not be.
22 0
If the prcccure --
23 A.
I'ay be louer at one reint and hi her at t
f4 cnother.
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25 O.
If the prcccure is eqvc1 at both reintc,
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there'c no affferential prcccure?
2 A.
There'c ctill rrcccure Ciffcrentic1.
A 3
prccourc Ciffcrcntial in r n e rac e r.
Juct b e c a u r:e the i
,;cabcr i: nero Cocc not nean there'c no O i fi. c r e n t i a l 5
Preccure.
G 0.
" hat if therc'c c prcccurc diffcrcntial of 7
cere?
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revenCc on hou canc. intervening la.ccrr there P
arc.
I don't know hou to resnond to.your (tcchicn.
10 It'c too general.
It depenGa on lot of thingc.
11 C.
Ic it your contention that the rrcccurc
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c:iffercntial e :: i c t i n c-b e t u e c r.
the etcr table ccrifer w
13 en6 the 1.n c r ccuifcrc at ti.. Cava nch "iver ?lcnt hac 14 roverccc in cono locationc?
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There ucrc hcaC Offcrenticla thet hcvc bcen 16 reportcC at the cavan:Tah niver rlantu.
17 C.
Pave thoce -- hcve there been reportc6 1 T' cccurrcncoc of revercale of hec 6 Gifferenticle et the 2P Ocvannah Elver Plant bcLucen the errcr anC louer 20 cquifer?
21
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I bcVe not revict 'C t il c rTttrial Put it cocc.n 2?
to me that there have-Ucon c o r. c, but I Ce not rccc11 at 23 thir t ii.:.
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"o you knou at th c t locationc?
?F Io, I do net.
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Do" you knou uhat ccpacity vellc verc 2
eperating in the vicinity of those prcccure 3
differentia 1c?
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I do not.
5 O.
Po you knou uhat aquiforc uere involved?
6 A.
Ec, I do not.
I Co not recall at thic time.
7 C.
Po you knou uhat cequcnce of hydrolic unitc 0
exist i;e ne a t h the Savannch ".ive.r Elant?
9 A.
I Co not recall them at thic time.
I have 10 ctudied them.
11 C.
1: hen you say you cttCief them, coul6 you
' f) 12 e::pla i n in e little norc Cetcil ubct you have Cone to
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13 strdy thca?
14 A.
I have read r c;:o r ts f o r - c i:: ycaru.
15 O.
Those reports indicate uhat the hydrologic 16 units are?
17 A.
Sonc reporto 60 and come don't.
10 G.
Do you knou ubct byCroccologic forecc' 19 conprice them?
20 '
A.
Again, I've c t e d i e C. thoce in the literature 21 but I do not recall thoce.
22 C.
- ou Icrge an area in covered by the Cavannah 23 River Plant?
.4 A.
300 cguare mi1~ec.
-nV 25 C.
':".: o i:1.7 n t it rcuchly circular uith a Ciameter 4
rs 116 i
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of appro::inaticly 20 railes; is thct correct?
2 A.
App r o::ima t ely.
3 C.
Itava you ever cought tc.:c t e rmine. hou the 4
cequcnce of hydrologic unite bcncath the Cavannah niver 5
Plant corarc r e c to the cequence of 1.jdrculic unita G
c :icting beneath Plant Vogtle?
7 n.
I have read the conraricon.
0 C.
- h c t compariconc have you rcad?
9 A.
The compariconc betuecn the hydrolic and 10 geologic ctrata beneath the 2cvannch River Plant and 11 Plant Vogtle.
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12 C.
ho prcycred thoce corscriconc?
L.
13 3.
Thc Savannah niver Plcnt ha c ma c'r coce 14 comparicenc cnd the Plant vectle facility han nade come.
15 O.
Uhat documentc prcpercd by the Scvannah River 16 Plant have had compariconc of the hydrolic unics beneath 17 the Scvannah River Plant cnd Plant Vogtle?
10
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I do not rcccll at'this-tico.
10 C.
Do you knou shot ?ccumento prcparcC at Plant i
20 '
Vogtle have cuch a comparicon?
21 J..
I do not recall at thic tinc.
22 C.
to you,knor uhother the geologic formations 23 underneath the Cavannah niver Plnut cre un if o ria over the 24 uhole arca covered by the plant?
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25 P.
I den't t h i n!- co.
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1 C.
Dd you knou uhother a geologic formation cuch 2
as c::ictc at' Elue Bluf f c::istc beneath the Cavannah 3
niver Pl c.n t concicting of cclecrcouc clay?
i 4
A.
I'm auarc of cuch a conraricon that hac been 5
nade, but I don't recall the couraricon nor the cource 6
at this time.
7 C.
Do you knou uhether cuch a eclcercous clay C
layer c::ic t c at th e r 7: n d I. a r e a - a the Savannah niver 9
Plant?
10 T..
I Con't rcccll.
11 0.
Do you knou the nane of the formation?
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12
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There ar c ::.a ny f e rr..a t ion c under the Savannah (f
w 13 plant cnG I do recall a fermation h e r. becn iCcntified 14 uith racrl, but I don't remember uho cafe the 15 identificchion.
16 0.
You 60 not r cuerabe r the cpccific name of the 17 formation?
13 T..
Do, I do not.
10 C.
Dc you knou he ' thich that f e r r.:a t i o n is under 20 the Savannah niver riant?
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17 0, I do not.
22 0
I hat contamination hac tecn fount. in the_
23 cretaceouc equifer at the ravannah niver Plant?
Let me 24 ach you firch, are you familicr eith uhat I'n referring k
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1 A.
Sdnewhat familiar.
I uould like for you to 2
define it.
"y c r e t a c e o u r.; anuifer, I'm refctrinc to uhat 3
I believt in conc natorialc you've referred. to ac the 5
Tuccalooca Aquifer.
6 A.
That'c uhat I've accuncd.
Therc have been 7
levele of hy(rocarbonc that have been found, O
chlorchydrocarbonc.
C 0.
I?o radioactive contacination has been found 10 in the cretaccouc aquifer in the Savannah riant, han it'?
11 A.
I:o t that I c ra cuare of.
Il, 12 O.
'?ou'rc not cucr: o f a n.'-
contamination beino yv 13 found in the cretaceouc aquifer ct the Savennah niver 1/-
Plant at a n;. location-other than thc I' and.'- crea, ic 15 that correct?
16 A.
I don't rccall at thic time.
17 0
Uhat contamination hac been found in the 18 water table aquifer at the Scvennah niver Plant?
19 A.
raCioactive and hacarCouc.
t 20 C.
" hat arcac of the Savannah niver Plant has i
21 cuch contauination been founC?
22 n.
I've not ctedieC 711 of inc :reac of the 23 Savannah niver Plant.
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Of the arcar that you have r.tefic(.,,'hich f/"N d
25 onco have ha0 rafiocctive or becarCouc contanination of
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the unter taSlc aquif er?
2 A.
I c' e n ' t think that I cca rccall all of them 3
at thic time, but the : erca, r ar:e recrage bacinc, H i
4 aren -- encuce cc -- the I: arca cnf.T arca, the r and H
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5 area, 0":: arca, the burial ground itccif.
6 C.
I'h a t crecific burial ground arc you referring 7
to?
O 2,
Chc radioactive rc.cte burial groundo.
And 9
therc have been ccme other~arcar, but I don't rccall 10 them at thic time.
11 C.
That uns for grounduatcr contamination.
Uhat
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12 ucre th : courccc of c rcun6uc tu r ccnta;nination at the tv 13 Savannah niver Plant?
14 A.
I. large number of c:if f e rent creciec, uany
, o t.n racloactive a n c.,a a c a r t,o u s,
c l.e:
airf.eren,c creciec, 16 tritiuc, plutonica 230 and 239.
17 C.
Let ne --
18 A.
10 0.
I:acn ' t the trimary coercc of contamination of 20 the groun6uator of the Cavannah river riant been either 21 radioactive cr haccrCouc ucctc buried in the ground?
22 A.
I:0.
23 C.
Or Ltored in-cce[cee bacinc?
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25 O.
" hat hac beco the ;rinary coerce?
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Udll, firct off I don't thinh it'c been 2
charccertined rufficiently to ctetc vhich is
-hc primary 3
cource of contcaination.
'fo u can ctate uitt. a sir 6
4 crovnt of accurance that acny different courcac of 5
contauinc tion c::icts.
Dut.the courceu of contamination 6
bcVe not been cc'equately charactcriced.
The cource
'7 terms thenceivec have been i n c d e g ta. t c l'1 cbcractericed at 0
Savannah P.ivcr Plant and the levtlc of contaninacion in D
the environtent have been inadequatcly charactericed.
10 0.
Ucre the Geercce bacinc of contaninntion?
11 A.
Yec.
(3 12 P.
"cre the burial crounde e source of
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13 contatinction?
la A.
Yes.
15 C.
"cre the uccte ;torage tan!:c c cource of 16 contanination?
17 A.
Yec.
I:ich level unct'e storage tcnha, low l f?
1:.v e l ctorage tanks and the nonracioactive ctorage 19 tanks.
20 C.
Ucre trenches a rource of contauination?
21
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Ycc.
22' O.
Uhat is the difference bet.veen a trench and a l
l 23 burial ground?
2?
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I cuppoce it derendc on cccantica nore than O
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In the Cavennch r.iver rlant radioactive
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vasto. burial' ground trenchec are the primary method of 2
Cicpocing of lov leve] rcCioactive unctcc.
And 3
trancuranic unctc har b e e:. Cicpoccc there in.the pact ac 4
well.
5 O.
Uhat category doce the tritium fall in?
G n.
Tr i t i er.i ir a lou level unctc, a low level 7
radioactive uncte.
O C.
Thece 6ifference fccilitico that I've 9
uentioncC, the cccpacc bccina, the burial groundo, the 10 trenches, these uere cll uccf ac part of the normal 11 crcration of the Cavannah Eiver Plant facility, uerc s
i 12 they not?
(U 13 A.
That ir correct, ;crt ed raciocctive uccte 14 mancccmont.
15 O.
Zy uhat routoc or mechanirac diC 15
'contcmination-rccch the cretaccour aquifer at the 17 Savannah Eiver Plant?
13 A.
I have knouledge of conta;inction that's 19 reached the Tuccalooco nguifer in the A a n d :' c r e a'.
In 20-that aroc.contanination hac rocched the' aquifer via 21 ccepage bccinc -- a ccepec c bacin, e:: cure me a
22 coopcce bacin enc a Iche t h c. t teccme a spillover fer the ccc' age bacin.
Put I don't fccl that that is the end of 23 g
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the quartion becnuse the highect levels of co n t :.nir.a t io n
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cccrage bccinc.
I think at this tinc it'c cafc to cay 3
the courecc have not been cearle'cly characterize 6.
c 4
It'c very Cifficult to say.
5 O.
F.y quection in little bit different, Iir.
G L a'.:l o c c, I'm aching by uhat routec or acchanions the 7
contauinction recched thc crataccce., er Tucccicocc n
. r 4,q u i,e r,e o
9 A.
It hac-bcon pcctulatcC by the Cavannah River 10 Plant that the contanination reached the Tuccalcosa 11 acuifer thrcuc,h dauac,ed roduction cell c a c i r. c c, ucll
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unter cccingc.
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13 C.
to you havc eny ccrcrtinc in the construction 14 of ucilc7 15 A.
I have not conctructoC a ucll, but the ucll 15 conitoring r rograra at the.Cavannah river Plant came.
17 under ny purvicu, the voll ronitoring procrc:c primary IP for the radioactive uccte buriel ground.
10 0
ro ycu concider youratlf to have any 20 e::rc r t i c a in the construction of uellc?
21 A.
I'o, I Con't conciCor mycclf to have 22 conctruction ecpcrtice but I do havc engineering 23 c::rc r u ise in overcecing thoce ve11c.
34 0
"O yce conriCor yourcelf to have any
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cecling velld?
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3 C.
On uhat bacir.?
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Ecsic of n-c::pe r ie n ce at the Sevennch niver 5
Plant.
6 0.
Ucre you recponsible for cccing that uelle i
7 ucrc properly recled or --
0 T.
Ma, I var not, but I ucc recroncible for the 9
job. Cut.ica that uc've clreccly Ccccribec, and part of 10 those job clutiec entailcC tahing ccrc cf problenc cc 11 they croce, cnc that's one of the problems that arece (m) 12 frem time to time.
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13 C.
Ucre you crer involved in the. b n n c~ o nn e n t or 1/.
cccling of a ucil ct the Savannch r.iver Plcret?
15 11 Phycically, no, but 7 uac involved in the 16 overcight of thct.
17 C.
I:ow verc abandoncC uclic ccalcC ct the 10 Ecycnnah r.iver Flcnt?
10 ft.
FORc ucre not.
20 C.
The anec that vere, hou vere they acclcC?
21 7.
I Con't recc11 the te chn ic. rec c t thic time.
22 0
Go you have no c:Tcrtice uith recrect to the 23 technique:. of ccclinc wcllu?
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A.
I have revicuc6 the nethcCc.
I Co'not rcccil.
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' I I" I uere to say there'c a well in thic 2
particular locction that neecc te be scalef and I'c 3
acking you to go coal it, could you cc it?
i 4
E.
I would not ucnt to Co it.
If I had to do 5
it, I uculo cteCy the techniquec that vero available at G
thic t ira e.
7 O.
Pasef on your knoulcdcc here todry you tould C
not have the technical knoulcf.gc to (o it?
9 n.
I ccy or may not.
I would to and accccc the 10 literature cna decide then uhether or not I had the 11 ability to do it or not.
I hcve ovarecen thin in the
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12 I'e s t :nd that's the uay I uoulu 'cnCla it in the future.
V 13 Rhet literatere vould you reviou?
la T..
I fon't recall at this tine.
lE O.
Is it your contention thet the head 16 differential betueen the Savannah river and the 17 Tuncalooca aquifer has reverted at eny point in the 18-vicinity of the Cavannah River Plant or Plcat Vct tle?'
10 A.
I' don't recall that contention.
I think I 20 '
bcVe raiced conc questione cbout that.particular iscue, 21 but I don't bnlieve I've mace o centention.
I nay have.
22 I juct (on't recc11 it ct this tiae.
23 O.
Are you aucre'of cny information today thct 2<
uould ruggcct that uater fror the Scvannah River hac
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.v) 25 flouc6 inte the Tuccrioor: a c. u i f u r ?
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I ra. n o t a u c r e of any information on it, no.
2 0
'7h a t :Cditionc1 prevct.tive nearercc do you 3
conten6 the ?.t:pli ca n t o chocld tche to prevent 4
con t arain a t ion fron rcaching at her occurred c.t.?avannah 5
niver P.lant?
G A.
Once ve do their rccponccc, once ve get all 7
their recroncca, I thinh I will be bctter abic to naho a 7.
Cccision at thic t ira c.
9 0
-Dcced on the infortr.ation that you have 10 reviewed to thic datc, inforr.:ation in your Eccccccion, 11 can you identify any ceditional preventative nescurca (O)
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that the 2.rplicants chould tahe?
w 13 I:.
I '. c y c not L.a 6 e a Co t c r:aina tion at thic t i:a c.
14 0
You can't suggest poccibilitiec?
15 A.
I hcvc not made C Cctctninttion at thic t irac.
16 O.
I tahc it the ancuer to..y qucction ic no?
17 A.
rot the way you atated it.
I prcfor ny 10 ancwcr better.
I have not radc a de te rraina t ion wha t 10 prcventive iaeacurec they choul( meha.
rcrt of the 20 reason ic bccauce I have not been provided all the 21 rccronces to the qucctionc thct bcVe been ached of Plant 22 l'o c t l e.
23 0
I~ r. Lculccc, I ' ta achinc you to rerron( yec or
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no, and if yor uich to provide come c::planation you ray.
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t o t' c ; e n;. a.CditioncI
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preventative beasures that you contend the I.pplicante 2
chould takc to prevent contaraination f ror:. reaching the 3
1(,tre r con f inc(' equifere et riant Vogt1c?
4 E.
I have not racdc any at thic t ira c.
5 C.
Do yce contend that cny tine tabic ectirantes 6
preparc6 for the Savannah River Plant were erronoors 7
other than the one for t r i t i t:2 ?
I' A.
Tr I rcccll, thct ic the only one that I have C
questioned.
10 C.
Ic it your contcntion that the cretaccous or' 11 the Tuccclooca Aquifer underlining the Cavannah r.iver Ci l
Plant ic in open c orar.;t n i c a t i o n '.:i t h tac cretcccous
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%d 13 cquiftr t'ndcrlying Plaat Vogtlc?
14 n.
I think that that contention hcc caen rainc6 15 ac a quection.
I do not believe that ricnt Vogtle has 16 adequately r e c po n c'.e c' to the questionc that hcvc bcon 17 rcised in that area.
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Ere you, Ur. Lawlccu, toCcy anarc of cny 19 inf or: action that suggestc that the cretaccoer Tuscalocca 20 aquifer unicrlying the.?avannah Eiver Plcnt is in open 21 coraaunicc tion uith the r ain e aguifer uni.erlying Plant 22 Vogtle?
23 n.
I Cca't reccll any ct thic t irac.
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T. r e you cuare today of cny inf or: acion that O) 25 rec.r.ectu that the no :licant inten( to turn the Vogtle it
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cite over to'the public aftcr Flant Vogtle ccaccc to 1
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ir accuretc uith rccpect to conc crect of thc c c v e nne.h 0
P.iver r l c.n t ; ir it noL?
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I do not !:nou that it'c not occurctc to other 10 arcan.
11 I'r not aure I unCerctenC your recpcacc.
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Yee caca tc he limiting hic r e c ;. o n u c t to a 1
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13 rarticuler c r e c..
I do not ::n ou thct it *:c c licitcC to c 1/.
particulcr area.
15 C.
- .' :;eection e little bit different.
I ' :a 1G achine uhether or not it'c tree therc cre
- z. o r.c crecc of 17 the Ec.vannch Piver Plant '*here clecrly hic rtt.tement ic IP correct?
10
?.
It bac becn roctulatc( that there crc arcac 20 of the ravnnnch niver riant uhcrc hic encue r rc'; ec 21 correct.
22 0.
You'rc not contenCint in thic proccc61ng that 23 riant Vertic '. 111 vue
' acte (icroccl fracticot ciuilar 2^
to thocc uc c i.' t the Tavennah Piver riant, are you?
9
?5 T..
"crt (o or.aten ':..
ert. nanacorcnt
1.*).
rs L
.. J 1
practiccc?
2 O.
I'h c n I rcfcr to unctc Cic; c cal cracticac, I 3
ccan the ucc of natural coil c o l ui:in, berial g r o u n c.c.
Ja far ac natural coil colunnc a r c.
concerned,
,5 croctionc have becn raiceC and achc6 of Plant Vcgtle to S
bcttcr Crfine their liquiC uccte r.a n a c c r.;e n t cyctem and 7
raCioactive uncte cycte..) to tr; tc eaderctan a little C
bit h e t. t c r.. bout uhat ucc going on.
I. t thin time I 9
uouldn't rate cuch a f e t e r n i n c. t i o n.
I ucul6 like to 10 unit until I cet all rccponacc in.
11 O.
PaccC on the inforcatice availabic to 'fcu at
(~~ ',
12 thic time, arc.ou cuere of an.>
intcnc en tho ;crt of L.)
12 t h e 1.p pl i c a r. c :. :o t to ece ni.c e r a l coil coltuna for Cic'rocal of vecte at rlant 'Je c t le ?
14 15 T..
I ' re. not c '. c r.. of vny et inic tire that I ccn 16 recall.
17 C.
'2h e T."' l i c a n t s ' activitiac at Pl c.n t ve r., t i c L
a.
30 arc regulatcC b" the "uclear nerulaterv Co ::aicc ion 0 ic J
o l
that correct?
20
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I'r.
orry.
I uc.
rtill thiching about the 21 lect rf.eeution.
O.
"y
- c. u e c t i o n nou ic the i 'licantc' activitics t
23 at Plant Vogtle arc reculateC b' the ucicar Pcc.ulatoru i
j 26 Ce r, r.. i c c i o n ; in that corrcct?
l
- 9. 5
- t..
I could cu['oce tc.
i
- 3..o. o 1
0.
Ulic r e a c Duront'c activitica at the Cavannah 2
P. iv e r Plant ure regulate / !:y the Tep:rtment of
- e rry; 3
ar_ they not?
4 a
4..
.. n e vac.. n.
5 O.
'Th e P.nvironmental Protcction Agency?
6 n.
Dore of their activiticc ctc.
7 C.
Jul not uith the QC?
O
.1.
'2h c Cr.C (cec not r c <; u l a t e the cctivitice that C
I vac f ar:. ilia r uith.
10 0
Let iae 'na r r ow I:ty gr e c t ion.
11
.t.
Ett the !T C ' s reculatient i;:,r n e t e d the m
12 re;c r t: ent of E n e r c.a" reculatione end influenccf. then.
4 s,,)
13 r.
In the conce the r : ra r t...
n t of Enerey cau 14 uhat concone elce vac foing anC. caif :'a; be uc noce to do 15 thc c a rac thinc?
16 A.
In the conce that the De sc r tn:c n t of Onercy 17 ucs requircC or rec;uccte6 to c oI. a c n t on the PP.C 1r regulatione anC the oprocite harycneC cico.
10 C.
Put JPC had no juricdiction er control over 20 the uacto nanagement rracticer at the ravcnnah river 21 riant, diC they?
22 A.
. I'o, they 6i6 not.
23 C.
UP. C reculationu concctning uccte dicrocal are 24 r:uch utrictor then the Ec pc r ti.. cat of 2:.e rry, are they
,es l l
."..G lit,c, 'u ?.
i s,
ms
130 7,
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7,.
Th'at is correct.
2 C.
In rcrticular, the.:P. C ' s regulations arc very 3
ctringent with tccpect to the uce of burial troundo; arc i
4 they not?
5 A.
That ic correct.
Put I uould not cry the ITC 5
regulationc acc cufficient nor arc they fully adequate.
7 P.
The contacination probleuc that occurred at 8
the Cavannah river Plant ac contaminction of crcunQiator 9
vere larcely the results of the practicos for Cicrocing 10 of varte in the grounC; ucre they not?
11 Is.
I'c.
I'c tried to talh rbout that before.
[]
12 That'c not the 6nly ccurce of conta'.ination.
The burial V
13 ground la cnly one very r.r.cli ' art of ravannch P.iver c
1*
Plant.
The nuraber of radionuclidec that crc Cicroccd of 15 in the burial ground are cinuccule cor.:pa r c e to the 16 number of high level wacto tanh fern.
Thert art nany 17 cources of contamination'at the cavannah P.iver riant, 10 cirborne, liquid releacec, colid rcicaces, et cetera.-
l?
0 Do you cicpute t h :. t con t ur.inan te c onc r ally 20 travel ir-the direction of groundvater flev, 21 contaminants in the groundratc r ?
22 T.
I have raiced quectionc about uhethcr they 23 only head in one direction.
2(
r.
Pet by uhat techani:.'~ or ccant would
,m (J
25 contauinante head in e Circction Ciffercnt Cren the
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l
I A
131 l
i
'u d 1
direction of'the flou of water?
?
n.
It'c roccible that they ray go in other 3
dircetionc.
I have not tricC to crceify ho'.they heve 4
gone in other dircctionc.
I hree e-tenciv.? e:Terience 5
revicuing the data of Cavannah niver Plant-which 6
indicatcc that they cay go in othcr directionc.
7 c.
El.cn contarinantu do go in a dir:cticn P
diffcront fror the flou of the g r o e n cht a t c r in the r
hydrolic unit in which they're located is the rate of 10 travel generally 1cca in that dircction uhcn they're not 11 in the direction of the unter fleu?
[~'\\
12 2.
I don't rcccll if -- I (r ' t !;n ou that I
,LJ 13 could agrce or-Cic:igrec vith that.
I t h in:- chat it's --
1/.
you may find circuactancoc 'thcrc that-ic so aad you may 15 not.
16 0.
!.'h a t hind of contacinants moved in a 17 direction opposite to that of uctcr at the Sevannah 10 Eiver Plant?
10 A.
I do not rcce.ll at thic tinc.
20' O.
I believe your tccticon' urc that you cannot 21 iCoritify the crecific :?cchanicr ':y wh i ch con te:ainants 2?
cove in a 6irection other t.h e :1. t h e flou of the uater?
23
- f..
Uct at thic tine.
I uoulf much prefer to sit 24 Coun end revic. the 20terici beforc I eade a c t a t e rae n t Oy 25 or: it.
1.39 4
1 c.
I:r. Laulecc, have you cver ctuctic6 or Cone t' on rolyuc r ::. ate rials of 2
any rcucarch on thc effcetc J
3 rafiction?
4
?..
c l yt: c t, it counic vaguely f a rt.il ic r ; 1..ny hav e 5
Cone th:t in college.
G 0
Pave you cvyr haC any t r a i n i n c, or educational 7
hackgreur.0 on cebjectc r e l e*z.n t te tuc environrcental cualificationc of the ac;u ip;n t in the nuclcar P
faciliticc?
10 I's. ro.'L Cr :
Juct to arced thinga up.
11 I ' r.: not rurc jou underrten/ thic, Pr. Leclers cl i f n ' t I?
help c r c r r. r c. n; cf the enviranscuu.1 reclificacionc anf 13 uc'rc
..c t goinq.; o call h i te.
n.
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t'."..
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7
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..., t t. ~ l i.o, '.'.
aic F
1 15 hnoulcCg: or lack of haouleCSc in thnce crccc.
16 TU C L'I"I CCO :
I have loohef at Oc,vipraent 17 in the fielC, bet I hcvc not offhcaC thought about the I t' cubject chct rauch.
10 P.
(ry
- r. Davcarort) 70 fou b.ou vi.at'c ccant r
)
l 20 '
by envirotacntal clualification of e t; c i;.s c a t ?
i n.1
.s.
.Or U' o R O e.
- =
v t
22 0
"cvt you, "r.
L: laco, ever ctedicd or Conc l
23 nny rcLcatch on c t c a r: c. e n t r c t o r tuhe (cc.radation?
I
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m t
)
E I'r. L: t l '.' c u, uavr,:t
- ver ctedic? Diout cr v
l
i 8
i 1
Conc any roccarch on the effectc of cooling toucr drift 2
C.c r o.; i t i o n ?
m
,W V L E. rov 1LCL l!. ': u.c On 13 t O r r c C. 2 C o r,t 5
a t
/.
c, u c c t i o n c, interrocatories Scr DI. n t cgtln on coolinc,:
5 toucr Crift.
~6 C.
I' achint (o you have a ny i:nc'. le(s:c cbout 7
thc L.c cht nict.r of cooling teuer Crift?
q
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., s,, no.
t s.
O C.
Can you f e c e ri!c e fcr me ' ha t ic mcent by 10 ccclinc to.rer cir i f t ?
11
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I have only c vcgue ccnce of that it 13.
I
(' s.
I?
haec cerf.ic6 1rtorno r e l o c. c a
- c. t thc
." _ v a r.r.:' h 7 i v o r
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v 13 riant fcr 2
. u : 2., r of yeart crorni thc ccentr"r and a
1/
thct'n it.
15 m.
Cavannah F.ivcr Plant Cocc r.o t have coolinc 16 toucrr, foce it?
17 T_.
Po, it docc not, l
C.
'Tha t 's c i r b o r ne reloacen from c r: o!: t e t a c!: c'?
10
'2h e'/ ' r e a i r b o r n t-rclecccc f rc; tany Ciffcrent 20 courcec.
21 C.
I'one of thccc tcurce:
.rc coolin',. t oi'e r c, are 97
.1,
--S
.. n.
23 A.
I ch i n!: ence thc rc1cacc f r o::. the cooling
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touar hac inft the cooling ': c' c r it r. o lancer !:nour it cs I v) 25 uc relcacef b;
- t. h 2 coolinc touer, than it': rn airl.orne
13?
1 rclecse.
2 C.
Tre you curc of thct?
3 O.
FLi,CE :
I t h i n ', h; caid he th i n P. c.
4 T.
N "T;TOPT :
I '.~ c c.'; i n g h c'.:
confident 5
he ic.
G
I!C UITI'CSC :
It it corr.c th ing that could 7
bc Ceceribed b' phycical che::ical r c l o c :. e modelc.
C C.
(I'y i:r. Davenport)
'cyc yce over l' t t c ir.p t e d
?
to Oc that?
10
- 7..
I have vorP.'O with rhycical c h en:ic a l relcace' 11 rofclc, ycc.
(~N I?
re ve yvu ever a t t e r,.c t e C te ::e cc l coeliac
- V) t 1,-
t tr.'o r or1 m.m c
14 A.
Uo, I have not.
lE O.
I:c y c y o u cver yourculf cater:rtaC to oCcl 16 ccleacec, cirborne relecccc?
17 T..
I hevo cttcI;pteC to Curliccte the 10 ca lc ul s: tiont that havc b e c :- ;rcce by other in J iv iG uel c'.
19 P.
u t you havc not (ccicace any =cG:1c?
20
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I hcve not.
Then, crain, I bcyc.
'lo c, I 21 have.
22 0.
"het Ico6 ele have you dacigneC?
22
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I hav: I: o d e l c r' relcacce fror. the Cavannah
./
Pivar l e n t.
<a L
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'S r.
".: e t ' ce sc."."cu ncJ.:1:0 rc le : cec, t e ll ::c J
y(
t i
13.4 8
1 uhct you c716 'c pc cifica lly ?
2 7.
Ject etcpheC to cclcul..t; the rcicacec.
3 C.
" c c c c? upon the cr:.o u n t cocinc f r cri the ccurce i
e tern?
5 T..
At the time I did not knou uhat the cource 6
terr;c ucre.
"'h a t inforaction voc not available, so I 7
h a c' to calculete a coerec tcre cc ecll.
O C..
" hat Ucc "our ctarting,;oint fer
- v. o t r 1
O calculationc?
10
- t..
The ctar tinc L:oin t ucre the concentrationc i'n 11 the environraent.
I,i 1 :'
O.
Pror thoce conconcrctient ir t i:c e nv i r o m..c n t t
.)
13 you then c::t r c r ol a t c c1 a cource t e rI: 7 1 '-
T..
- l. crtCe cource term, ;ec.
15 C.
I'h a c other cort of entrcrolation CiG you niahc lG fron the concentrationc in the e nv i r c r.nen t ?
17 A.
Juct the cource tcrmc.
18 IT. PLT C:' :
Juct c.
i.. i n t t c.
02f the 10 recorC.
20 (Chcrouron, a Cicetncion ucc helC
,l our the r c c c c c,.
t n.
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o,c" a p o r,c )
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- aculccc,
- n. a v e you
,a c o, 23 any coracunica tions with the :'uclecr r.ctulatcry N
Co: sc.i c c ica etc2s en th e 'Ja g t l e O xlicc.:. ion cther t c.a n
,~
,i
, \\.j 25 l'U u r - C o l.'. '.c li t t an the CECtt < n'.' i r ci.',c n t i 1 Ctaccr.cnt?
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1 A.
I*have not.
2 O.
Pr. Laulecc, hav<: ycu ever ct uf ic:0 about or j
3 Conc any rcccarch on uctcr clarinction?
4 "o,
I have not.
5 C.
Iave you revicued the report prepa r ed by liUC G
Corporation concerning drift derecirion frca the Plant 7
Vogtle natural draft cooling teuerc?
0 T..
ro, I have not.
9 c.
IIr. Laulecc, do you have cny 1:noulc6go 10 concerning the effect of variouc levc1: of calt frift 11 6eposition upon the currounding environment?
f' l
- 7..
I have rccc information on that.
I do not
!\\
l 13 r e ca ll 'ch:. t it ic at thic tiae.
14 0.
Do you have any ;;nouleft: thether a'calt t
lE Crift Ccrocition of 17 pounCc per ccre_per year vould 15 cauce Catcage to vegetation?
17 7.
I have read inf erina tion on it.
I (o not l f' r:ccll at thic tiac.
i 10 C.
You Con't rcccll uhether that rate of 20 Coposition night cauce dcmcge?
21 T..
Po, T Co not.
27 C.
Do you have any br.cic for dicacrecinc_ vith 23 the cooling touer Crift.narcactcru uced b.7 th.e l.' rlica n t e in rreficting drift de pc c i t ic?h ratec?
N
,O
'Q 25 T..
":.ned on cciculctienc~that I've cuen in the F
,f-
e' l'7 i
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1 l
1 pact, prcdict'ionc versus actual concentrationc in the j
l 2
environnant, I havc raiced quectionc of Flcnt Voctle on 3
hou cur: they are of their cun calculationc.
4 q.
The cciculationc that you've cecn in the 5
pact, nonc of thoce dealt uith cooling touer Crift, did 6
they?
7 A.
L'h a t in correct.
O C.
'Ic V e ycu raaCe cny effert to ec t irc.c t e a drift
?
6ct'ocition ratc ~for the Plant Vcgtle coolinc teuerc?
10 A.
Fo, I have not, 11 C.
Er. Laulecc,'Co you have cny !:noulcdge about (ny 12 uhat rate of chloric'c derocition : tight cauct C c:r.a c o to
'G 13 vecctation?
le A.
Po, I do not.
15 O.
Dr. Lculess, do you have any !;nouledge 16 concerning the energency diecel gencrators :aanuf actured 17 by TrancAactica Delaval, Inc. for Plant Voctle?
10 A.
Po, I do not.
19 HR. D A V P,U P C P.T :
I'bave no further 20 '
questione.
21 (P.tocition concluded.)
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10 ny Cirection; the foregoing raccc 1 'ch r o u gh l
11 137 reprcccht c tree, corrcet, and coupletc l
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trcncerirt'of the evic'ence given upon, c.ti6 i
13 hearing, and I furthcr cori:ify that.I ce 14 not of tin cr counscl'to the pcrtico in th~e 15 cccc; ' cm not in'the. regular employ of 16-counccl for any of caid pcrtiec; nor cn 17 I-in any>uice interectcci in the recult of 10-
- said cace.
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.....v o ATOMIC ENERGY DIVISION CAVANNAM RivtR LAsomAToRY AIK E N. SOUTH CARQUNA 29801
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September 29, 1976 Mr. N. Stetson, Manager Savannah River Operations Office
.U. S. Energy Research and Development Administration Aiken, South Carolina 29801
Dear Mr. Stetson:
As requested in your teletype of September 17, 1976 to J. D. Ellett, we have.
prepared comments on the technical matters mentioned in the suit by NRDC et al against ERDA conce'rning the construction of additional waste storage tanks.
In accordance with the direction of our attorneys in connection with the.
preparation of the defense of this law suit, we are submitting the information in the attachment.
The Introduction of the complaint contains bi.ad allegations that are generally repeated with more specificity in la.ter sections.
We have replied primarily to these latter sections to minimize repetition.
Some of the technical. issues are common to Savannah River and Hanford, and the replies of both sites may require coordination..These particular paragraphs are,noted in the attachment.
The draft environmental statement on waste management operations at the Savannah River Plant (ERDA-1537) addresses in detail most of the te'chnical matters in the suit. When issued, ERDA-1537 could -serve as.an important document in-responding to the suit.
In addition, the " Integrated Radioactive Waste Manage-ment Plan for the Savannah River Plant" (SRO-TWM-76-1) provides extensive descriptions of the engineering and safety features of the waste tanks and the plans for long-term management of high-level waste.
Sincerely yours,
- EXHIBIT pppliovnM r
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C. H. Ice, Director WCR: msg Attach.
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COMMENTS ON TECHNICAL ISSUES Ifl NRDC' SUIT 16.
The storage of high-level radioactive waste in the tanks funded for FY 1976 and FY 1977. will not result in undue risk to the public from release of radioactive materials to the environment.
All relevant and proven technology. currently available is incorporated in the design of the new tanks to ensure high-integrity containment'over their service life.
Althougt1 the tanks will have safety features beyond
, those included in the design of the tanks built. earlier at the Savannah River Plant, 'there is no undue risk to the public from present storage of waste.
The radiation dose in 1975 to the population within 50 miles of SRP from storage of high-level waste was 3 man-rem (0.004 percent of the dose from natural radioactivity).
This radiation exposure was not caused by leakage or accidental dispersal of radio-activity, but by normal processing of the high-level waste.
31b &
Project 76-8-a will provide six waste tanks, two evaporators, and 51.
additional waste tank farm facilities (pumps, concentrate transfer systems,etc.) The six new waste tanks will have a total capacity of 7.8 million gallons.
32b.
Project 77-13-d will provide four waste tanks, a waste maintenance facility and a variety of tank farm improvements..The additional tanks will have a total storage capacity of 5.2 million gallons of waste.
36.
Strontium-90 (half life of 28,9 years) has been assigned to the Medium-Toxicity (Upper Sub-Group A) category of radionuclides by the Inter-national Atomic Energy Agency.
(Basic Toxicity Classification of Radionuclides, IAEA Tec,hnical Report Series 15,1963).
37.
Cesium-137 (half life of 30.1 years) has been assigned to the M'edium-Toxicity (Upper Sub-Group A) category of radionuclides by the Inter-national Atomic Energy Agency.
(Basic Toxicity Classification of Radionuclides, IAEA Technical-Report Series 15, 1963).
52.
The term " soft steil" may be misleading.
The generic name applied to the steels,used.to fabricate SRP high-level waste tanks is " carbon
~
steel".
More precisely, the steels can be specified in terms of ASTM Standard designations.
The tensile strengths of carbon steels used in SRP waste tanks (all are pressure-vessel quality steels) are similar to tensile' strengths of austenitic stai'nless steels used in the waste storage tanks at the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory in INEL tanks as shown' below.
Tensile Strenoth, ibs. Der sq. in.
ASTM Designation Carbon Steels Range or Minimum A 285-Grade B 50,000 - 70,000 A 516-70 70,000 - 90,000 A 537-Class 1. (normalized)-
70,000 - 90,000 Comments are numbered to correspond with the numeration of the
' paragraphs in the complaint.
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_ ASTM Designation Te'nsile Strength, lbs.. Der so. in l
Carbon Steels Range or. Minimum Austenit'ic Stainless Steels A 479 Types 304t and 315L 70,000 75,000 Type 348
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Current ASTM Stendard for stainless steel plates for pressure vessels.
Selection of steel for waste tank construction has been studied extensively at the Savannah River Plant.
Both carbon steels and austenitic stainless' steels have been Eon'sidere'd'in recent years for
~
tank fabrication.
Bas'ed on technical and economic reasons carbon steel was selected as the material of construction for SRP tanks (see Items 68 and 69).
The steel used in the early SRP tanks was A 285-Grade B, and the fabricated tanks were not stress-relieved.. These:.areltha.only,tankV that-have experienced:ni.trate-struss:corrosich.crackfrigEWastiithn&
constructed-atiSRPsinchM967-were ma'de of~A 516-70 and were stress- -
' relieved af ter erection.
The steel for tanks funded in FY 1974 and FY 1975 is A 516-70 in the normalized condition.
formalizing is a heat treatment (analogous to annealing) that refines the grain size and improves the toughness of the steel plates.
A 537-Class 1 steel is specified for the FY 1976 and 1977 tanks.
This steel is supplied only in the normalized condition, and the chemical ccmposition is very similar to A 516-70, except that the specifications on impurities are tighter to ensure more uniform properties among multiple batches of steel.
54.
Eight of the. sixteen original' SRP waste tanks have experienced some leakage from the primary tank to the annular space inside the secondary container.
All these eight tanks were built prior to 1960 of A 285 Grade B steel and not stress relieved after fabrication (see Item 52).
The leaks occur through small hairline cracks, usually adjacent to welds.
The rate of leakage was very slow (<0.05 gal / min) except from Tank 16.
In that tank minor leakage was detected in tiovember.1959 from the primary tank to the annular space inside the secondary con-l tainer (steel pan) and concrete vault.
Subsequently, during September -
of 1960, a large number of very small leaks resulted in a leak rate reaching a maximum of about 4 gal / min.
The level of waste in the annular space exceeded the 5-foot, height of the s' teel pan for an estimated period of six hours while a transfer jet was being installed in the annulus to remove the leaked waste.
Some waste overflowed into the space between the conc' rete vault and the steel pan.
Leakage frca I
the primary tank was stopped by reducing the liquid level inside the' tank below the major leak sites.
c.
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A maximum of 700 gallons of alkaline waste rose above the top of the 5-foot-high steel pan liner of Tank 16.
Intensive inve:;tigation and monitoring over the intervening years confirm that most of the 700 gallons was contained in the concrete vault and the quantity of, waste leakage into the soil was limited to a few tens of gallons of '
gte containing about 7 Ci of radioactivity per gallon (primarily Cs).
Because the tank bottom is below the surface of the near-surface water table, the radioactivity that reached the soil also '
imediately, reached the ground water.
The soil contains clay with a significant ion exchange capacity, and consequently during~the ensuing period the radioactivity has moved only a few additional feet. The limited migration has been confirmed by extensive sampling and testing with encased wells.
The radioactivity level in the ground water 15 feet from the edge of the concrete pad under Tank 16 is'about 10 times-the -normal b'ackground of 5 to 15 pC1/l' (the Concentration Guide for 137Cs ig drinking water is 2 x 104 pCi/1) and between 2 x 10-4.and 4 x 10-* Ci of radioactivity is estimated to have moved beyond th'is point.
Continued use of Tank 16 was restricted to a reduced volume (below the worst cracks) until it was removed from liquid storage t
service in early 1972.
Further details on leakage from Ta.nk 16 are,,
g1ven in DP-1358.
To prevent possible future accumulation of liquid waste in the annular space, jets of 75 gal / min capacity are installed in the annular space of each high-level waste tank so that liquid waste may be rapidly returned to the storage tank.
All tank annuli are purged with air to dehumidify the space and evaporate any leakage to dry, immobile salt.
56.
SRP has demonstrated the capability -to safely remove sludges and salt cake from SRP waste tanks.
Salt cake in SRP tanks can be redissolved
- in water, and transfer of the resultant solution from one tank to another is a routine SRP operation.
Sludge was first resuspended and i
pumped from a waste tank in 1956 by slurrying.with water.
Sludge has I
been also slurried from several other waste tanks since then.
In addition, g more co' t-effective technique for sluirying the sludge s
with supernate is being developed and a demonstration with actual waste 4
j is planned.
Chemical techniques are being developed for final cleaning i
of retired. waste tanks and a demonstration in a cracked waste tank is j
being planned.
L Scit and sludge can also be removed safely from leaking waste tanks.
As indicated in response to Item 54, leaks fr'om SRP waste tanks.have resulted from small hairline cracks in the primary tank.
These small cracks would not interfere with salt or sludge removal.
Should com-plete failure of the primary tank occur, the secondary tank will serve i
to contain the tank contents durin'g salt or sludge removal.
A process is being developed for solidifying and packaging of SRP waste for long-term storage.
The waste will be converted to a solid form that is highly resistant to ~ dispersion to the environment.
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No technical obstacles have been identified that would prevent so.lidification and packaging of SRP high-level ' waste for long-term storage 58,59,76.
Although WASH-1528 (. issued in April l'973) indicated that the paste '
,may remain in SRP tanks through 1999, Savannah River is now rilanning lo remove high-level
- waste from the tanks at an earlier date.
Schedules for several of the options for long-term management of SRP waste show waste, solidification to begin in 1987.
During the solidifi-cation period, waste tanks will be emptied on a scheduled basis to limit high-level waste storage in tanks funded in FY 1976, FY 1977 or in future years to a period of less than 20 years.
Other' waste manage-ment options are also.available to meet the schedule of removing the high-level waste from thesh tanks w'ithin 20 years.
If a long-term
- repository is not available to receive the waste, the solidified encapsulated waste could be temporarily and retrievably stored in an environmentally safe facility until the long-term storage facility is completed.
60.
SRP waste tanks do not have domes.
The Savannah River Plant Type' III waste tank design, developed in 1966, and continually refined since then, includes a steel-reinforced concrete center column 6 feet in diameter that supports the 4-foot-thick reinforced concrete roof slab.
The flat 1/2-inch-thick steel roof plates of the tank are pinned to the concrete roof slab to ensure the highest possible structural integrity.
Collapse of the roof slab of SRP tanks has a very low probability of occurrence.
61.+
Salt cake is no more corrosive than the liquid high-level waste.
This has been demonstrated through experience with waste tanks at SRP in which salt cake has been. stored since'1960.
Literature survey and.
laboratory studies substantiate this experience. ' Stress corrosion crackingcanbecausedbyeitherstrongN0jorstrongOH~ concentrations.
Cracking by either anion is inhibited. by the presence of small amounts of the other one.
N05 also acts as an inhibiting. agent.
inf-theHad of, the waste-tanks'whichn are kno'wn"to"have cracked due to Wesi" t'
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' age,Ta'diolytic decomposition of the N05 occurs, converting it to N05 and rendering the waste solution.less aggressive.
During cyrstalliza-tion of waste, the interstitial liquor becomes more concentrated in OH~
astheN0j andN0jcrystallizeinthesaltreceivertank.
Samples of the " terminal liquor" have been analyzed to contain 9M OH, 2M NO', and 3
IMN0j.
Laboratory studies indicate that this liquid (with its high OH-concentration) is stabilizqd by the NOnot cause stress cracking of the 3 and N0
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Q-5, Sal.t cake has a higher density than liquid waste.
The amount of salt stored in a tank is limited so that its weight does not. exceed the design specification of the tank.
62.
Meltdown of SRP. tanks resulting from a loss of coolant is incredible.
The waste tanks are equipped with cooling coils in multiple headers to remove radiolyti'c heat.
A failure of one or_ more coil headers.
will not affect.the operation of other coils.
- Twice as miny coils as are necessary to cool the waste are installed as a contingency against
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multiple failure.. In addition three other safety provisions have'been included in the t'ank design.
These are 1) forced air cooli~ g of the n
external surfaces of the primary tank, 2) access ports in the tank roof to allow insertion of supplementary cooling coil bundles,.and
- 3) the condenser in the tank ventilation system which returns condens-ate to the tank.
If all of the backup cooling systems were entirely lost for a tank containing the maximum heat content waste, four to
. ten days would be required before the contents of the waste would reach boiling.
During this time th~e waste could be transferred to a tank with adequa.te cooling.
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Wall thickness g
measurements on ten tanks, and measurements of the bottom plate thick-ness on two tanks have shown no wall thinning due to general corrosion.
rTest coupons. exposed-iw syni.hetircrand-actual waste solution showed typsiciw
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- the stress corrosion cracks orig.inated on the internal surfaces and r
that corrosion on the external surface of the steel was minor.
Based on these measurements corrorion is insignificant.
The thickness of the steel, as determined from working stresses in the tank walls,is con-sidered to be adequa te.
'b. Aseindicated -in'. item.52_thesarbon csteel-ispecification for wastm
' tanks-at-5RP-gat'cha~nied whg.n_stcess._cceros. ion crack 3ng Tias detecteda
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4 Fabrication techniques were also revised to minimize stress corrosion
. by a stress relieving heat treatment of the fabricated primary vessel.
The steel specifications have been revised further 50 that the plates are supplied in the normalized condition.
- c. Cathodic protection for SRP waste tanks was considered in 1971 and.
l 1972.
A consulting firm concluded that cathodic protection was feasible contingent on the results of additional studies to l
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- 2) develop anode material and design for a workable system._
3) develop anode supports and seals These, additional stu' dies relate to the engineerin'g and maintenance
' tonsiderations of en'suring proper electrical potential and current distribution.
Ot'her problems we're identified by SRP.
These included
- 1) differences in electrical conductivity.of waste.
supernate, salt cake, and sludge would prevent uniform distribution of current flow over the inner surface of a tank, i
2). the integrity of the electrical insulation between l
the' system anodes and the tank could not be ensured over a period of years,
- 3) stray electrical cu~rrents that might develop could actually accelerate localized corrosion in tanks.
The. benefits of cathodic protectio.n for waste tanks was judged by SRP to be small in comparison to the uncertainties and problems of 4
l installing such a system.
As a result of the Myances in tank con-struction - improved materials and construt. tion technique- (stress relief of.fjn.ished. tanks).- aHdTtidi.tsrJunderstanding and.definitiot j l
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iswasteiafitf"tfeveTd@64W'of~the informa.t.iort necessary..to_impi.em,e,r)t; caithodfi"*tifo'tecIiLon.was no_t judged.to ber Ages.s.aryn Reliance was n
continued on use of the moreTe'silitant steels and improved tank designs i
for long-term protection..
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As indicated in Items 63-64,. design,' construction and testing specifica-tions for these waste tanks are developed through extensive analysis by specialists and consultants.
These specifications are revised as necessary to. ensure that SRP tanks incorporate-all relevant and proven technology to ensure tank dependability.
66.
a.
The long-shafted pumps that can be used to remove liquid waste, re-dissolve salt, or slurry sludge from SRP waste tanks are designed to fit into any tank riser larger than two feet.
The SRP Type III waste tanks contain numerous access. risers larger than this two-foot diameter.
Pumping of all these w'aste products has been demonstrated in existing SRP waste tanks as described in items 56, 67 and 73.
b.
Internal tank cooling coils ^are a standard part of waste tank design for removing radioactive. decay heat from high-heat waste tanks at SRP.
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SRP tanks funded for FY 1976 a~nd FY 1977 incorporate in their.
~. design and construction all relevant and proven technology currently.available to ensure tank integrity over'many decades,
.although they are scheduled to be used_for storage of high-level waste for less than 20 years. Tanks and associated equipment are designed with a large factor of safety.
They will not be subjected i
to all the adverse conditions' allowed for and should be serviceable for a much longer period than their design life.
In the very unlikely event that a tank deteriorates to a point of questionable adequacy before -its planned retirement, waste will be transferred fromittoanothertank(seeitem55).
'68+, 69.*
The life expectancy of waste storage tanks made either of stainless steel'or carbon steel depends 'on operational and environmental factors and ability to control those factors.
Carbon steel and
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stainless steel suitable for waste tank construction have similar st~rengths (see item 52).
Austenitic stainless steel of the type used
, for waste storage is susceptible under specific conditions to the same forms of corrosion that can damage carbon steels.
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cracking.
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INEL is able to maintain tank temperatures at about 35'C because'of the low levels of radioactivity in its wastes compared to SRP.
This 35'C temperature prevents attack by fluorides that are present.
An extraordinarily large cooling capacity would.be required to maintain l-SRP high-level tanks at'this. low temperature.
Storage of SRP wastes as acid solutions ~in stainless steel tanks has i
b'een evaluated as an alternative to the present neutralized waste system.
Safety, technical and economic considerations were included
'in these evaluations.
Acidic waste from SRP processing would involve '
storing of solids; the amount of solids might be as high as 0.1% (by weight) of the fuel processed.
It was concl.uded that storage of liquid i
waste in either mode was probably feasible.
Theriskofeithersystem.\\
l could be reduced to negligi.ble levels by adequate design and engineered steeltankswouldnothaveoccurredhadtheybeenstressrelivedan i
safeguards.
The stress corrosion cracking observed previously in carbon
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Although either system would provide adequate safety, the neutralized
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wastes possess certain inherent safety advantages for SRP; namely, the inclusion of the majority of radionuclides in an insoluble and relatively immobile sludge phase and negligible mobility of neutralized i
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Since there were no safety advantages for the s tainless steel tanks at SRP, the decision between the two systems was made in favor of continued use of carbon steel tanks.
71.
The Savannah River Plant waste tanks. funded for FY 1976 and FY 1977-are adequately'and properly designed, to meet their objective of
' safe,'short-term storage of waste.
They will effectively contain the waste, and thGrefore, their use will not impose a. risk to the public from the release of radionuclides.
Design of the tanks represents the co'mbined effbrts of competent engineers, designers, and consultants.
The tank fabricator is-selected from among only the most capable industrial tank fabricators in the United States.
(seealsoitemsf5b,67and75).
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In the event that waste leaked from the tanks into the ground, it would not enter the Tuscaloosa aquifer.
The near-surface ground G
water at the tank farms is isolated from the deeper Tuscaloosa 3
aquifer.
Tne near-surface ground water in the vicinity of the tanks
,p is entirely contained on the site.
The large Tuscaloosa aquifer is.
300 feet deeper than the near-surface ground water, separated by several nearly impermeable clay barriers, and is at a higher artesian.
pressure than the ground water exposed to the waste tanks.
- Thus, flow of contaminated ground water could not reach the Tuscaloosa aquifer.
Radionuclides that enter the near-surface ground water would decay to permissible levels before reaching the nearest creek because of low ground water velocity and ion exchange characteristics of the soil (see item 54).
73.+
There is neither inten' tion nor need to remove waste from SRP tanks by direct contact or mechanical mining methods; aqueous dissolution and hydraulic slurrying techniques have been demonstrated as discussed in items 56 and 67.
Worker exposure to radiation is minimized by adequate shielding, and will be maintained well within permissible guidelines.
Access openings (risers) through the tank tops are pro-vided to allow installation o.f waste removal equipment when needed.
Installation of much of this equipment, particularly the submerged slurrying pumps, before it is to be used is impractical because of potential plugging and other deterioration incurred during the time while the tanks are serving their intended function of safe waste storage.
However, each SRP tank in liquid waste service is provided with the facilities required for prcmpt removal of the tank liquid should this become necessary for either routine or emergency reasons.
74.+
Seismic analyses are an integral part of SRP waste tank design.
Con-sultants recognized for th,eir cor..petence in earthquake phenomenon participated in the design of Type III waste tanks.
Analyses have shown that the Type III waste tank, with a 4-foot-thick steel-reinforced concrete roof and a 6-foot diameter steel-reinforced
+ Reply may require coordination with Hanford.
h, N-concrete center column, will maintain functional integrity in en earthquake producing ground acceleration of 0.2 g.
This desigrn criterion is 4 times the acceleration estimated to have occurred at the SRP site 'in the 1886 earthquake at Charleston, South Carolina.
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