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Licensee Response to Aamodt 850115 Motion for Reconsideration of Commission Order CLI-84-22 & Opening of Hearing.Motion Should Be Denied.Interview of T Gerusky Encl. Certificate of Svc Encl
ML20114B554
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Issue date: 01/25/1985
From: Trawbridge G, Trowbridge G
GENERAL PUBLIC UTILITIES CORP., SHAW, PITTMAN, POTTS & TROWBRIDGE
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CON-#185-279 CLI-84-22, SP, NUDOCS 8501290317
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LICENSEE'S RESPONSE TO AAMODT MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF COMMISSION ORDER CLI-84-22 AND OPENING OF A HEARING On January 15, 1985, Norman and Marjorie Aamodt filed with the Commission a motion seeking among other things to reopen the TMI-l restart hearing.

As a basis for their motion, the Aamodts allege that "Li-censee personnel lied to the Commonwealth." They allege tha.t' TMI personnel discounted a 10 R/hr " projected release" at Goldsboro "by claiming, contrary to fact, that surveillance teams had been dispatched and verified that a significant re-lease had not occurred." Aamodt Motion at 4. This allegation is totally unfounded, as even the most cursory research would have indicated.

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D The Aamodts state the information came to their attention when "it was provided as the testimony of James (sic) Gamble."

Id. What the Aamodts are attempting to refer to is an early draft of a section of NUREG-0760, which was provided as an ex-hibit to the testimony of David Gamble in the remanded restart proceeding.1/ The draft addressed the reportability of an offsite exposure rate that had been predicted for Goldsboro on the day of the TMI accident. The draft was written before the NUREG-0760 investigators conducted any interview regarding this matter, and it summarized the evidence then in existence.2/

The draft of this section stated that a 10 R/hr dose rate for Goldsboro had been predicted by TMI personnel sometime be-fore 7:44 a.m. on March 28, 1979. At 7:46 a.m., an onsite mon-itoring team reported less than 1 mR/hr west of the Unit 2 re-actor building, and this measurement together with low containment pressure provided a basis for discounting the pre-diction. At about 8:30 a.m., the first offsite measurement was taken at Goldsboro. This measurement was also less than

-1/ Gamble, ff Tr. 30,522, exhibit 6. This exhibit to David Gamble's testimony was not admitted for the truth of its contents, but only to show that sections of NUREG-0760 had been drafted prior to the completion of interviews.

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2/ The NUREG-0760 investigators had been instructed to rely, to the extent possible, on the evidence already developed in the NUREG-0600 investigation and elsewhere. See Gam-ble, ff Tr. 30,522, exhibit 2.

b 1 mR/hr. These draft findings were all ultimately incorporated into the final version of NUREG-0760. See NUREG-0760 at 31-32.

The draft, however, also referred to a May 3, 1979 I&E in-terview of Thomas Gerusky, the Director of the Pennsylvania Bu-reau of Radiation Protection. That interview suggested that the Commonwealth had been informed before 8:00 a.m. that a mea-surement of less than 1 mR/hr had been taken at Goldsboro. See Aamodt Motion, attachment 4 at 15, quoting NRC Interview of Thomas Gerusky (May 3, 1979) at 14. The NUREG-0760 investiga-tors then reinterviewed Mr. Gerusky and explored this inconsis-tency. Mr. Gerusky told the NUREG-0760 investigators that the Commonwealth had been informed of the Goldsboro dose rate pre-diction and of the onsite measurement before 8:00 a.m., but it was in fact about an hour later that an actual measurement at Goldsboro was reported to the Commonwealth -- a fact evidenced by the PEMA telephone log. NRC Interview of Thomas Geruaky (October 1, 1980) at 33-41 (attached). Not surprisingly, therefore, the portion of the NUREG-0760 draft which relied on Mr. Gerusky's first interview was not included in the final re-port. See NUREG-0760 at 31-33.

It is evident, therefore, that there is neither new nor significant information concerning the Goldsboro dose rate pre-diction. The statements which might have appeared at one time to provide a basis for the Aamodt's contention -- Mr. Gerusky's i

1979 interview -- have long since been publicly clarified by Mr. Gerusky himself.

The Aamodt's motion to reopen the hearing should be de-nied.

Respectfully submitted, SHAW, PITTMAN, FOTTS & TROWBRIDGE

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Counsel for Licensee Dated: January 25, 1985

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19 l 1 M l DAVID GAMELE, U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 20 Office of Inspector & Auditor.

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d n 9 0 -- that particular -- tar instance, that we could use 10 to nail down more precisely the time in which you received 5

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l j 6 lead pressure. However, it's not at design lead pressure, so 7 these numbers aren't real. However, we aren't going to take any-A g 8 chances. We are going to send a team over to check it out, tJ d 9 and then we notify PEl4A or Civil Defense to be prepared to 10 evacuate people on the west shore.

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20 the calculations performed at the point. It may have taken a 21 few minutes, but we also -- he also informed us of the pressure, gg 22 what the pressure was in the containment building, and that it

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20 up, and there was a meeting going on of all the department over 21 at some place in another building. We were sending people over

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20 someone, and if there was a need from the utility side for them 21 to talk to somebody else, she would come and get us. If not, 22 she would just take down some information, and that's it. An 23 . ,

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January 25, 1985 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION BEFORE THE COMMISSION In the Matter of )

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Station, Unit No. 1) )

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I hereby certify that copies of " Licensee's Response to Aamodt Motion for Reconsideration of Commission Order CLI-84-22 and Opening'of a Hearing," dated January 25, 1985, were served upon those persons on the attached Service List by deposit in the United States mail, postage prepaid, this 25th day of January, 1985.

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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION BEFORE THE COMMISSION In the Matter of )

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METROPOLITAN EDISON COMPANY ) Docket No. 50-289

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Station, Unit No. 1) )

SERVICE LIST Nunzio J. Palladino, Chairman Administrative Judge U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Gustave A. Linenberger, Jr.

Washington, D.C. 20555 Atomic Safety and Licensing Board U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Thomas M. Roberts, Commissioner Washington, D.C. 20555 U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555 Administrative Judge Gary J. Edles James K. Asselstine, Commissioner Chairman, Atomic Safety and U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Licensing Appeal Board Washington, D.C. 20555 U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555 Frederick Bernthal, Commissioner U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Administrative Judge Washington, D.C. 20555 John H. Buck Atomic Safety and Licensing Lando W. Zeck, Jr., Commissioner Appeal Board U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555 Washington, D.C. 20555 Administrative Judge Administrative Judge Ivan W. Smith Christine N. Kohl Chairman, Atomic Safety and Atomic Safety and Licensing Licensing Board Appeal Board U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555 Washington, D.C. 20555 Administrative Judge Docketing and Service Section (3)

Sheldon J. Wolfe Office of the Secretary Atomic Safety and Licensing Board U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555 Washington, D.C. 20555

SERVICE LIST PAGE 2 Atomic Safety and Licensing Mr. Henry D. Hukill Board Panel Vice President U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission GPU Nuclear Corporation Washington, D.C. 20555 P. O. Box 480 Middletown, PA. 17057 Atomic Safety and Licensing Appeal Board Panel Mr. and Mrs. Norman Aamodt U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission R. D. 5 Washington, D.C. 20555 Coatesville, PA. 19320 Jack R. Goldberg, Esquire Mrs. Louise Bradford Office of Executive Legal Director TMI ALERT U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission 1011 Green Street Washington, D.C. 20555 Harrisburg, PA. 17102 Thomas Y. Au, Esquire Joanne Doroshow, Esquire Office of Chief Counsel The Christic Institute Department of Environmental 1324 North Capitol Street Resources Washington, D.C. 20002 505 Executive House P. O. Box 2357 Lynne Bernabei, Esquire Harrisburg, PA. 17120 Government Accountability Project Michael F. McBride, Esquire 1555 Connecticut Avenue LeBoeuf, Lamb, Leiby & MacRae Washington, D.C. 20036 1333 New Hampshire Avenue, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20036 Ellyn R. Weiss, Esquire Harmon, Weiss & Jordan Michael W. Maupin, Esquire 2001 S Street, N.W., #430 Hunton & Williams Washington, D.C. 20009 707 East Main Street P. O. Box 1535 William T. Russell Richmond, VA 23212 Deputy Director, Division of Human Factors Safety Office of NRR Mail Stop AR 5200 U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555