ML20093N923

Forwards Copies of Intervenor Exhibit II-247

ML20093N923
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Site:	Vogtle
Issue date:	10/24/1995
From:	Wilmoth M AFFILIATION NOT ASSIGNED, KOHN, KOHN & COLAPINTO, P.C. (FORMERLY KOHN & ASSOCIA
To:	Julian E NRC OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY (SECY)
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CON-#495-17252 93-671-01-OLA-3, 93-671-1-OLA-3, OLA-3, NUDOCS 9510300046
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KOHN, KOHN, & COLAPINTO, P.C.

ATTORNEYS AT LAW 00CXETED 517 FLORIDA AVENUE. NW WASHINGTON. DC 20001-1850 (202) 234 4663. FAX (202) 462 4145 OFFICr 03 JWFiARY 00CKElit J

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Emile Julian Office of the Secretary Attn: Docketing and Service U.S. Nuclear Regulttory Commission Washington, D.C. 20555 r

Re: In the Matter of Georgia Power Company, et.al. (Vogtle Electric Generating Plant, Units 1 and 2) Dockets Nos. 50-424-OLA-3 & 50-425-OLA-3, ASLHP No. 93-671-01-OLA-3

Dear Mr. Julian:

Enclosed please find the original and (2) copies ofIntervenor's Exhibit II-247. This exhibit is to be marked and admitted into the record of the hearing for the above cited proceeding. This is to be done pursuant to Memorandum and Order (Intervenor Motions; Effect of Ilobby Decision), October 23,1995, page 12.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

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gggcH Horton. You were aweful quiet Al.

Horton:

I didn't think like it was appropriate to say Parton

That never stopped you before Horton.

Mosbaugh: McCoy wanted-Mosbaugh: They are going to have to -You can't get the kind of discussion needed in that kind of a situation uh, that's fine present it, talk about it but uh -

Horton

The point was made. McCoy (Inaudible)

Parton

. You probably got like -There were some supervisors in there, now he's sitting there with his boss frve levels above. Should I open my mouth and ruin my career now or should I keep my mouth shut.

Mansfic!d. We got alot to say but not in that group.

Mosbaugh: The uh, I think you're right. I think the people in that room the people are afraid.

[ Telephone conversation with Es'her Dixon and Horton interrupts conversation, then conversation with Horton and secunty officer, and then with Gloria Walker and Horton]

Horton

But anyway it'll be interesting to see what McCoy says to you guys.

We'll probably talk about it at tomorow moming's staff meeting.(inaudible)

Mosbaugh: I knew it was NRC initiated. I just-you can tell that - they don't-like what I said in the staff meeting this moming-They don't do business that way.

Horton That's kind of rare, kind of odd that they would call Mcdonald himself.

Mosbaugh: They called him to Washington. That's very rare. It indicates a very serious condition. One that verges on either additional corrective actions letters or one that verges on placing the plant on a problem list or that kind of-Horton

' Why all of a sudden do you reken that this has occurred. I haven't, at my level, heard of any feelers or any precursers to this.

Mosbaugh : You look at the events comming in. The events are comming in bang, bang, bang.

The site area emergency, dropped rod, this fiasco during the outage, loose part, Unit 2 reactor trip, Unit 1 reactor trip, they're comming in too fast.

Events are comming in too fast. They're on the other end of the red phone.

Voice it keeps ringing.

Mosbaugh : And it keeps ringing. And you have several other things going on at the same time just in the background. Ol's up there putting their report together. Reviewing all their testimony.

Horton

I think the llT has bound to have something to do with it also. They surely.

Mosbaugh : They got all the testimony, Ol's got all the testimony. Somebody is reading that over saying you mean the Plant Manager said that or the Ops. manager said that. You know I can see them doing that. Saying my God what kind of an attitude is that? You know.

Mansfield : I didn't disagree with anything they said.

Mosbaugh : I think it's all true.

Mosbaugh : The job for the plant is to figure out how to fix it.

Mansfield : Well we 're not going to.

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You know this is really far fetched-

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Mosbaugh : because it's engrained.

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-but it's perceptions and stuff like this like this where upper management comes in and replaces lots-

i Mosbaugh: it gets too bad and they can't handle it Yeah.

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They clean house not necessarily because the fact that people arent doing theirjob i

. but because (inaudible).

j Horton ' : That's probably why that recruiter called the o%e day and said they were looking for

almost entire plant management. Duchane Power and Light. The're looking for i

en engineering manager, an ops. manager, an HP and engineers.

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. Mosbaugh : Was that Duchane for Beaver Valley called you.

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" He didn1 say the plant.

Mansfleid: How did they propose we are going to fix this problem?

Mosbaugh: The only corrective action from the meeting is the meetings here. Uh.

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If Ken were giving us the straight scoup, Mcdonald disagreed strongly with their l

opinion of the perception and there will be no corrective action. Other than appraising i

. the plant staff that they have these perceptions, doing whatever the plant can do to j

- fix it. Mcdonald totally disagreed.

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Mansfield : You if George, of Ken, or Pat Mcdonald just took a random sampling of people l

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and you'd end up in the office over there for a one on one discussion of our position on what the NRC said, I think it would really open his eyes..

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' Pasion You know the keep having these meetings with the plant staff where they bring in all these people into one room and there ain1 noboby going to speak their mind i

i Nobody's going to -

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If the forum was right they could get what they wanted. McCoy even mentioned he was disappointed yesterday in Ops meeting there was not much said.

Mansfield: _ But this is not just-You know but the l&C guys that was here, one of j

them said he could not believe that we had so much emphasis on schedule during j

the diesel generator thing. The outage schedule, not the schedule to get a diesel j

j operable. I'm sure he told that to all his supervisors.

Mosbaugh : What Kendall?

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It sounds like we got a (inaudible).

Horton

Get back together with your team-Mosbaugh: Well you can be certain that it was said in the meeting that this would have a definate effect on the SALP. Uh, just, I, they didnt, uh I don 1 know-They didn't seem to get the flavor about the difference you know but I spoke up and said. Uh, Ken said what's the difference ? You know he ask Harvy i

i mainly. He said what's the difference Harvy you know Unit 2 startup and for that matter of fact Unit 1 startup really got SALP one's okay in that situation and Unit 2 startup more so than Unit 1 got extremely high praises from the NRC. And so he j

said so Harvy what's the difference? And Harvy had a few things and he talked about basically wining and dining the NRC. That's what Harvy said but I think it goes much deeper than that because the NRC knows a wine and dine from a commitment. And I said the answer is one word I guess it was two words Paul Rice.

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Paul Rice was the difference. Had a guy that was in charge that represented the

. upmost in professionalism and honesty and sensitivity to regulatory issues and j

immediate action and prompt communication with the NRC on everything.

l Rice always did the right thing you know if he had a problem on his hands j

if he had an inkling that he had a misleading statement made to the NRC l

he would be on the phone like that (snaps fingers) okay you guys saw him in action.

Mosbaugh : How fas' do you think he would have let this LER and this damn CAL letter linger i

being misleading? You don't know what I'm talking about?

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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Mansfield : Are you serious? About what?

Mosbaugh : Well the PR8 just reapproved the LER -

Horton

Wait a minute you were there.

Mosbaugh : Reapproved the LER on the site area emergency which as it went in originally was materially false. It took credit for more diesel starts than actually occurred and the letter that they sent in earlier did the same thing, though in a different manner.

Horton

Horton. Yes Sir (on the phone)

Mosbaugh: George knows about that.

Mansfield : I don't know Al, we started talking about this kind ( f problem, this fighting, fighting the NRC. You know how far back you know about a year ago may be with PORV block valve testire and safety valve testing. How many issues were there.

Where we fought and fought and fought and fought.

Mosbaugh : We lost on every one.

Mansfield. We ended up getting violations on all but one.

Mosbaugh : Yep.

Mansfield. And we, we continued to fight with the NRC through the llT ( simultaneous non related conversation with Horton on the telephone) our attitude our whole atthude was to get these guys ou'. of here as soon as possible.

And George told them to their face, We want you the hell out of here".

i Mosbaugh : Yep.

Mansfield. I thought that was totally inappropriate. You know what-Mosbaugh : Harvy, startup.

Mansfield: They din't fight the NRC.

Mosbaugh : You don't fight the NRC, You don't fight them.

Mansfield : You guys didn't fight the NRC in Unit 1 startup, you did what the hell they wanted.

Voice (inaudible )

Mansfield :

The attitude is we're not going to get our license if we don't what they want.

Now we got our licence and we're fighting.

t Mosbaugh : Till it goes to the point to keep our licence.

Mansfield They basically just about took our license after the event.

We didn't revert back to the old ways. We should've.

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