ML20086A558
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| Issue date: | 05/17/1995 |
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1 starts subsequent to the completion of the 2
test program.
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Yes.
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Okay.
What we were trying 4
5 to do is be consistent with the audit report 6
with the letter.
7 Wd VOICE:
Okay.
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So what we're trying to do 8
9 to the LER is change it to not mention the 10 number of starts subsequent to the test 1
11 program.
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14 going to let the cover letter talk about 15 successful starts subsequent to the test
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Right.
In other words, 17 18 the letter is going to basically address the i
19 question of the problem with the previous LER.
20 hneti VOICE:
Okay.
The number of 21 successful starts included in the original LER 22 included some of that starts that were part of 23 the test program.
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The discrepancy is 5
attributed to diesel start record keeping 6
practices.
7 What did you mean by that?
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Let me ask you something.
23 The word discrepancy implies that there was 24 mistakes and errors made previously.
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everybody agrees to is that the original LER 2
had some mistakes in it.
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Right.
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The LER's written after 4
5 that were based on how do you want to count 6
these things.
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That's right.
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9 you say instead of discrepancy, why don't you j
10 just say the difference, meaning you're' 11 talking about what's in this letter versus 12 what's in the LER.
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I don't have any problem 14 with that, and I don't think they vill either.
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Right.
I don't think 19 anybody will have any problems with that.
20 hoe 4 VOICE:
And the definition at the 21 end of the test program.
That's how you 22 explain the difference in the LER and what's 23 in this letter.
24 VOICE:
Yes.
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1 standing behind what's in the LER, the eleven 2
and the sixteen.
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(Inaudible), okay.
But we 6
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didn't we?
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That's right.
We used the 9
10 engineering log.
11 If you turn over to Page 4 of the QA 12 audit report, Section B.
13 VOICE:
Mm-hmm.
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It says it discusses 15 the fact that they go to the engineering log 16 and then it talks about the fact that there 17 have been additional tests performed according 18 to procedure 14980, diesel generator 19 (inaudible) tests that were done since the 20 last time that the engineer's log was updated, 21 these tests have been done.
22 If you add those to the ones on the 23 engineering log, you come up with sixteen and 24 twelve.
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engineering log that we keep which was last 5/2 or something I'm not sure 7
updated on 8
like that, plus the additional successful 9
completion tests according to that procedure, 10 since the last time the log was updated.
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subsequent to the test program, particularly 2
if you t~ry to count the nubber of starts 3
subsequent to the test program and prior to it 4
our submittel cf the original LER 5
really gets more difficult there,because CyNf /_f we frw yrs 6
don't have a good you kpow, (inaudible) d"*N'D cs hey 7
successful start (inaudible).
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the valid sjayts.
You can now tie it down to 6vi EV 10 the (in dible) 108 definition and that sort
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14 that makes the end of that sentence read i
15 better, but it makes the beginning of that i
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19 diesel start record keeping practices.
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We didn't change our 21 22 record keeping practices.
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24 zeroed in on those words.
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practices.
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Right.
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We didn't get different 4
5 numbers because we changed our record keeping 6
practices.
7 We got different numbers because we 8
failed to accurately count in the beginning as 9
compared to now.
10 h> Cb VOICE:
Right.
And what the QA 11 audit report says is that part of that was 12 apparently due to the fact that, you know, you 13 just can't keep separate logs, different kinds fs 14 of logs for different kinds of tests, and you 15 collect data sheets and they're transferred
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17 So a person that went out and tried 18 to count, you know, could have been misled by 19 counting from the wrong log or a combination 20 of logs.
21 The way they worded it was that 1
22 there's no single source document that's 23 (inaudible) no single source document was 24 readily available for determining the results 25 of the diesel start attempts following the O
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about the specific point at which the test 5
program (inaudible).
6 And they start that paragraph out by 7
saying no specific cause'of the error in the 8
LER are (inaudible) eighteen starts or A
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So this sentenca is consistent with 4
11 the QA audit raport, and that's what they were i
12 trying to attempt because ther) anticipate that 13 the QA audit report will have to be explained 14 to the NRC.
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I've got to step out of 19 the room for a minute.
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I've got one other comment i
21 about the letter, Harry.
4 22 In the second sentence you state i
23 that this letter is explaining the 24 discrepancies in two different documents, yet 25 you do not proceed to explain the difference
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Yeah.
Originally the 5
letter did not refer to the April the 9th 6
letter, but George was afraid that if we v
7 didn't mention the April the 9th letter, the 8
NRC might interpret it as trying to avoid 9
discussing it, i
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7 11 the 9th letter, but we don't want the NRC to N
12 think we're trying to avoid discussing it.
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Well, I'll read it again.
U 14 This revision is necessary to clarify the 15 information about the diesel starts in the
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20 NdM VOICE:
That's right.
21 VOICE:
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No, the errors in counting 22 2.~i in the original in the COA response letter 24 are different errors than the errors that were 25 made in counting what w e. n t into the LER.
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4 the 9th letter.
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Why would that be?
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9 In George Bockhold's presentation he 10 identified each individual start, and so on 11 that basis I think you can say that the letter 12 on April the 9th was consistent with what you
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So why didn't we jump on 18 that one?
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We did.
Then they started
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10 one error, "We want to get a complete 11 rewrite."
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I heard that was 17 Harriston's mandate.
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And here we are halfway 11 12 through the five months and now we're going to 13 change plans and do something else.
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anybody's desk.
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Let me ask you about one 9
other thing.
When was Harriston going to sign 10 the revision?
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He's ot to sign it before 12 twelve o' clock because (inaudible).
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j 11 (Inaudible) for twenty-four hours somebody decided it's too 12 and decided that 13 cumbersome, too much work.
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