ML20062J012

Forwards Transcript of Nj Board of Public Utils 800827 Hearing Re Util Request for Rate Increase,In Response to NRC Request for Info on Any Significant Regulatory Developments.Pp 678-723

ML20062J012
Person / Time
Site:	Crane
Issue date:	09/02/1980
From:	Sweeney L JERSEY CENTRAL POWER & LIGHT CO.
To:	Vollmer R Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation
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NUDOCS 8009150252
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Jersey Central Powe/& Light Company Madison Avenue at Punen Bow 1 Road Mornstown New Jersey.07960 (201)455-8200 September 2, 1980 Mr. Richard H. Vollmer Director, Three Mile Island-2 Support Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission 7920 Norfolk Avenue Bethesda, MD 2001L Re: NRC Docket No. 50-289 - TMI-l Restart Proceeding

Dear Mr. Vollmer:

By your letter dated Septe=ber 21, 1979, to R. C. Arnold, and Mr. J. C.

Petersen's data requests sent to C. W. Smyth on November 9, 1979, you requested us to keep the NRC informed of significant regulatory develop-mente affecting the G"' companies. Accordingly, the enclosed material (8 copies) has been sent for that purpose.

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Enclosed is a copy of the transcript for hearings held August 27, 1960, in BPU Docket Nos. 60h-235 and 807-h88.

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J. Petersen D. Carroll (w/o ene)

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Inter-Office Memorandum ate:

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ranscript - 8/27/80

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D. Baldassari Location: Morrietown G. O.

E. F. Carter E. J. Holcombe P. H. Preis R. F. Preiss M. Baber Enclosed is a copy of the transcript for hearings held August 27, 1980, in BPU Docket :Tos. 80h-285 and 807 h88.

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Mr. Finfrock, you reali:o that you are still 9

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2 position to say that 2l when cocpletsd, va vill than bo in 3l noma p:sreenta72 et the work c:n ha accomplishad while tho 4li plant is ocorating.

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af ternoon, that we may be aaking fer acre than tha 3RC would 11 i 12 l ce villing to accept.

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things for which we have the materials on hand and the 21 engineering work completed.

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i nacosaary to shut tus plant dcun even though we wculd prefer to do it latar.

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7lI preparing the draft for the submissien to.h3 1207 8

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.My Staff pocple ara dcing it.

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the plant running, we still hava, ac I Ot3tified previcuely, 10 about a week'c worth of things in the process of shutting i

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What led te to my quastien, and if you fac1 17 you have responded to it, if ycu feel you have ananered it 18 already, please feel free to say so, but what prompted =y 19 question is that we have all alens talked about e. five-wsek.

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3 shia dccurant, JC-I, was submicted to Rate 4l Counsel's representative.

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Okay, if there is no 6

cbjectica, it shall be ao marked JC-I.

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8f Cyster Crack outage - T:1I Lacsons Learned l9l Catagery B Items was markad JC-I for idsnti-i d ' ea tion. )

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the last sentsaca on that page you =entien tha major raasons 21 for requesting a delay and you go through them, the recent 22-six ' month outage which placed demands on the plant and tha 23 '

Jersey Central support staffs --

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That's a miataka, right.

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Virtually the same people that are involved 18 with the preparation of the lotter that va hope to submit 19 in September.

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Eave you seen this document before?

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As, I have.

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2; these raascas for requesting a delay and tall us, firat of I

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that's contained hors and second cf all, to perhaps tell us 5

a little bit cora in datail ac to what thov are ccmcrised of I

6l and hcw thasa :nasons are affecting your planning?

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All right.

8 When we originally schec'.uled the outace 9

for -- let ac just use the middle of October of this year, 10 wo did not anticipate at that tine that the refueling outaga 11 ' which began on January 5th of 1980 would turn up as many 12 ;

unanticipated problems, if you will, to r32cive.

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5 15 to tha outage tnat was going en with the refueling that began 16 the lsu of January.

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Secondly, lat oc just generally say tcwards the end of last year, certainly sines ths TMI i

3 accident, we have had many, many rers bullotina and that's 4

one of the things that's referred to in here, from the Nuclear 5!

Regulatory Comniasion that hava raquired a great deal of 6

onginaering effort in order to respond to then.

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i 8I we hava bean gotting f ar more bulletins that req tire inventi-9l gacions of ths systems at Oyster Craak than we havs had in 10 :

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are now cesing in general it takes longer to got.

18 Suppliors do not appear to be maintaining 19 tha inventories that they did in the past so it takes longar 20 l; to get things.

21 So putting all of that together, we 22 anticipate asking for a delay.

The problem that I think'we 23 have, the problem that I have testified to is how successful l

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within the next six months.

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I believe that's correct.

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I don' t have that piace of paper with ca.

19 MR. KIPSTEl s 24ay ve go off the record 20 for a mcmant, Your Honor?

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Okay, lot's take a 22 E minute recess.

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6, It includes the confirca;ory order of January I,

7 2,1930, as well r_s the directive of Septects:r 8

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I migh; also point out, in re pon.:e to 10 Mr. Itardelli'a question as to the identifi-l 11 l cation of thcae ites.s unich ar: Category 3, h

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Subject:

Follow-u? actions resultins fic:

19 the :TRC Staff revit.f s re-ardine, the Bree 20 Mile Island Unit 2 accident" va3 carked JCI-l 21 for Identification.)

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gory 3.

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I believe that la an itaa that is not yet com-19 pleted.

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I that there is a acetinc of the nind.3 by going over it, do you :ssn ther.', will be a cata11Ml 8-9 listing of each and every ena of the I:en 3 catef;ories and a stater.ent whether it la com-t' j

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have tha final angineering dasign for eacn of the items en 3

this c:dibit as diatingulahed frem the matariAls?

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Or any of tha itars that you would not --

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ing design bsfore April?

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I'm not sure I understand your quastien.

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Okay, I 'll Withdraw it.

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Is it possible that for thoas items you might 20 l have the material, but not the engineering design?

A Nell, let me ganarally co=mont en that.

21 In a16cs't all cases with which I'm 22 23l familiar, the engineering design comes first, than we buy l

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Thore oro cor-5 tainly items which aro very clearly going to bo required 6l hc. saver the engincering turns cut which can ho ordered :t. cad I

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9j which of ttssa itens ycu don't hava the engineering design 10 f for yet?

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But you also, en some itema, would need.

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6 Ile perceive that there vill be acce raterial.1 7

available -- let ce just assuma tha design is there, the 8

design has been reviewed, and the dcaign is satisfactory.

9 There will be raaterials available, such that acce of these 10 items can be completed while die plant is operating.

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4l-complete could not be done because of tne lack cf.220eriel's 5

or design until three wwks later in :bvecher.

6l Isn't one of y0ur argumenta to tha N2C that I

-l'j it would be silly to shut the plant dcun for cne iter. In October, for another in Nove=ber, maybe another in January, 8

when you can do all of it in April of 1981?

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You got to keep in mind daat the NRO only is ccncerned about the 17 safety operaticn of the plant in aln:ct all cases that I 18 19l

.have ever been familiar with.

?.cy don't care about the 20 megawatt hours that the plant runs.

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Ue ar9 Going to a.3% them.

".Je are doinG co as't 6i then to permit us to conplete all of the thin.3s that we can I

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of the plant.

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that work can be dona on thoce Category 2 iters wh113 the 3i i

plant is operating.

Did you r. n of that on Mnday?

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Yes.

I don't recall esetly if I wr.s ask d 3 !

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ab ut that.

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You may well not hato been.

I was ja:t really asking this as a prelininary question.

i. hen did you know 8

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Gyster Creek uns operating?

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I don't know if I can tall you when but it ha 11 3

t 12 l b een my perception all alonI, in fact, we har2 otar the years i

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done a considerable amount of work uhile the plant has been

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operating, so I cannot answer your question ac to when I 34

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I guess I always knew that n a could do work while the:

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Vnat I an cencerned r. bout is the c;: tant of that 37 work.

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Let me Bo to JCI-l again.

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'Ihe first s entence of the fourth and las t para-21 graph, on the first page, where you say that JCP&L, and when l

I say you say, the Cocpany says that a request for a dalay 22 23 of full implementation of Category 3 items until the firs t l

half of 1981 will be :.:ad2, what did you =can by full imple i

24 centation?

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I Guess thefre are two vays you r.4y loch at th: :;.

2l Again, Catescry 3 items my nc, b.2 f.:117 complated by January 3

1, 1931.

Part of the work c:.y be dona, tha final tiet-in to 4j a system that uculd requira plant shutdown m y not ta done 5l and,therefore, that itect is not fully i= pit.:cnted.

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I 6uess to an.ver the second cata; cry of it, 7l there ray be a complete itaa that is not donc aie. ply be:aung l

8 it involves the purchaam of lons-term, 1:ns-tiae procurement:

i 9 i iteca, and ue Won't be able to get to it.

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But you are saying that inplici; in that sen-i 3

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Ihat's correct, to tho extent that theplabt i

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operating staff concurs that that i=?locentaticn while the i

t 15 l plant is operating does not hava any aff cet upon the safety 16 l operation of the plant, or even the case with uhich we 17 l nor= ally operate at.

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'E. NARELLI:

I would like to see if 19 any of the other parties have questions of Mr.

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Finfrock.

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To have no questions.

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SAHRADUIX:

Yes, Judge Marshall.

93 One question I want to ash.

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q Mr. Fintrock, with respect to the Enc 1:aure o, does that list all of the Catc3ory 3 itama which jou, balnG 3:

l the Cocpany would be required to impicaen; by January 1, 4l j

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Yes, I believe in d c.

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Q And you identified one iten on Page 1 et that t

o as having nircady been cc pleted.

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other Category B ite=s which have been comp 1sted as of this 9l date by 'Jte Company?

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I am not aware of any.

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And just for a point of clarification, on P Ge at the botton partienl 12 3 of Enclosure 5, thera are sete ite=3 l

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4 of the pa6e that have installation cc:plete.

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that installation has been co=pleted or is that just the 15 j

designatien that it =ust be completed by --

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That is the NRC's posit 10n on the ites that 17 says they want to have it ccupleted.

It doesn't tecn we will 18 I have it done.

It's what they want done.

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Co you havs data availabla for u2 hora today o

or that will be available wharo you con idaatify whether any 3

Category 3 Itans have been cotaplated?

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I don' t have any other data available today, 5

but all of that would be Serapped up, if you will, in tha 6

submission we ara going to maka to the NRC.

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1. l MR. SA3RACNIK:

I hav9 no further queJ-8 tiens.

9l P3.DIR2CT ZLVIINATIC;I 10 3Y MR. XIRSTEN:

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Just by way of refarance, Mr. Pinfrock, you I

y l ref3rred to the policy of the NRC in respect to the Cat 3 gory OV l

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I'I Do you recall that?

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Yas.

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that documant undar the IV, there is a stacar_ent in tha 1

19 order, in respect to the responso to the application of 20 the Company to defar the impla=entation of certain Category

'21 A items.

Is

'ai response tha. basis for your interpretation 22 of the policy of the NRC in respect to Category A items?

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Ye that is the reason that I think to ho

'4 I prudent =anagers no naed to anticipate to requiroment to C) i

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3 l have some outagen in the next six months because if the NRC

L Fin f rocl.-crea s 717 1 i orders :'or Category 3 itc=s tha cama way they havo ordered 2

for the Ca:cgory A inxes, it will bo requirsd, but they hav9 3l nc: donn m at yet.

That has boca tha crun of my testimony.

4 MR. KI2STIN:

Thank you, sir.

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MR.:LUULs Can I ask a coupla of ques-i 6l tiens?

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JUDGE !f.U3 HALL:

Yas.

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In reviewing Enclosura 5, I counted only 11 2

II D items, and I think bsforo wo were talking abcut 14 ito=s.

l' ; Would you explain the discrepancy?

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I4 of our internal braakdcuss pecsibly taken eno of the Category f

15l!3 itema and cada two work itaes out of it for us.

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r 16 quita right.

I bo11ove thers are 11 B itsms, if ycu look 17 ! at Enclosuro 6.

IS If you 1cck at secs of the work lista 19 that we =ay put together, it may turn out to ho 14, but thera 20 h is no hanky panky involved in the way in which you count them.

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I notice a nu=her of items such as on page 2, 22 Section Number 2.1.6,b, Plant Shielding Revie#, that Category 23 ; A was to complete the design review and Category a uns to 24 impiccant plant modification.

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found to be in.2daquato, to==dify tha plant pursuant to 4

Catagory 37 5

A That's correct.

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Wora there any of thoas itams such as this, I

I think this is = ors than ons, trere thsrs any of thom lika 8

this for cyatar Cnok af tar the complation of Catagory A 9

found that. nothing additional was requirsd for Catagery 37 10 A

I don't rocs 11 eny.

2 11 l MR. M.UUL:

I have no additional quou-2 i

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1 13 JUDG2 M.USIIALL:

Mr. Kirsten?

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JUDG2 l%RSIGLL:

Do any of the other I-O 2

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(Ifo response. )

4 JUDGE !%RSHALL:

Ihank you very much 5

for testif/ing, Mr. Finfrock.

6 Are there any other uitnecess today?

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8 JUDGE M1331MLL:

Arc there any other 9

c:atters or shall uo just adjourn until tomorrow ?

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Yes, I was going to i*

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Mr. Knudsen would be 9:00 o' clock Friday morning O;

decau=e ne 1= so1aa to de are-r111=z te=t1===7 i

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15 which we can get a draft to Mr. Kirsten some-i I

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time tomorrow, and then havo Mr. Knudsen on the l

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18 Can we go off the record?

I9 JUDGE 5%RSIALL:

Off the record.

'O (Whereupon, there was an off-the-record og discussion. )

22 JUDGE ?GRSHALL:

Bach en the record.

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.de will continue this =atter tocorrow 24 at 2:00 o'cicek in the aftarncon, and the

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1 29, in reserve if a further hearing day is fmV 2

needed.

2.e parties have also stcted that they 3

will submit position papers in a draft for=

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order by 4:00 o' clock Friday af ternoon, August 5

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Did I get everything correct?

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7i any objections or anything additional that you 8

wish to make?

9 (No response.)

Jungh IMRSIIALL:

Are there any further 10 3

11 ratters before ne close today?

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M. 3%KUL:

One thing.

D.cre 13 an in-8 Oi

'3 for=> tion resueet whica we esxed ur. oeatieu 14 to prepare in an exhibit form of the overall 15 impact of repricing the PJ11 running rate at i

16 the PJ'i estimate rather than the GPU estirr te, 17 and I was wondering what the status of that wa:1.

18 E. KIRSISU:

I think I just centioned 39 it that there were a few such things.

Ws will "O

have them for ycu to=orrcw.

'l JS. >MKUL:

Ihank you.

22 MR. MARDELLI:

I have one more thing,

• 3 since it is still early today.

i o4 Ccean County has filed a cotion for I

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another hearing in To:s River, and since I dcn't

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plan to do anything in writing, if I may very i

2l briefly a tate the Public Advocate supports I

3i Ocean County's cotion for another hearing in 4

Tocs River.

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'ie do suggest, though, that if the 6

ti=ing is such that we cannot have this hearing 7

before the Board's Order on the IJJ6C that may 8

be the way to satisfy everyone is to have a 9

public hearing in Toms River on the base rate 10 case which will be incediately af ter this case i

11 is over.

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22. KIRS'I2:T:

I den' t plan to file any-13 thing because I think the positions were l

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stated the last time and I would really point l

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changed.

We think that the meeting and notices 17 were appropriate and adequate and there is no I8 real need for additional hearings.

I9 By the way, we have been in the process

'O of investigating the complaints which were

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'l raised by some of the rate payers during. those 22 hearings as we represented to the Court, and

'3 at so=e appropriate time when we have com-l 24 pleted that, we will present a report to you.

"5 It probably won't be until we get further en

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in the base rate case as to exactly uhat tha 2'

status of all those itcos are, and to the ex-3 tent that there are any corrections indicated 4

that the corrections had been undertaken.

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JUDGE PARSIIALL:

Does anybody else have I

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7 cord before ve close today?

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(Ifo response.)

9 JUDGE PAREHALL:

t ere being no further 10

.-atters, we will adjourn and ceet here tocorres 3

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Subject:

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Witness Dirtsct Cross Kodinct P.ocross 13

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I IVM R. FI'I? ROCK, JR.

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By Mr. Kirsten 682 716 15 !

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By Mr. !iardalli 686 16 l By 11r. Sahradnik 715 By Mr. Ifakul 717 18 I,

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